1 00:00:15,436 --> 00:00:24,876 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Ringo star is one of the most iconic musicians 2 00:00:24,956 --> 00:00:28,716 Speaker 1: living today, fame drummer for the Beatles and a prolific 3 00:00:28,756 --> 00:00:32,036 Speaker 1: songwriter in his own right. At eighty one, Ringo's gearing 4 00:00:32,116 --> 00:00:43,276 Speaker 1: up to release his latest EP changed the world. Then 5 00:00:43,396 --> 00:00:50,556 Speaker 1: the Lang We Fall Out of up. Following the Beatles 6 00:00:50,556 --> 00:00:54,396 Speaker 1: breakup in nineteen seventy, Ringo released a run of successful 7 00:00:54,396 --> 00:00:58,036 Speaker 1: solo albums and chart topping hits. In addition to a 8 00:00:58,036 --> 00:01:00,556 Speaker 1: budding film career and work as a session player for 9 00:01:00,636 --> 00:01:03,756 Speaker 1: artists like George Harrison, Bob Dylan and The Beach Boys, 10 00:01:04,476 --> 00:01:07,396 Speaker 1: Ringo also formed his all star band who for the 11 00:01:07,436 --> 00:01:11,036 Speaker 1: past thirty years, having looted a rotating lineup of some 12 00:01:11,076 --> 00:01:15,916 Speaker 1: of the world's best musicians. Rick Rubin and Ringo recorded 13 00:01:15,996 --> 00:01:18,716 Speaker 1: this interview the day it was announced that Rolling Stones' 14 00:01:18,796 --> 00:01:22,836 Speaker 1: drummer Charlie Watts passed away. On today's episode, you'll hear 15 00:01:22,916 --> 00:01:26,356 Speaker 1: Ringo reminisce about partying with Charlie and led Zeppelin's drummer 16 00:01:26,516 --> 00:01:29,436 Speaker 1: John Bonna. Ringo also talks about how he was a 17 00:01:29,516 --> 00:01:32,116 Speaker 1: drunk heckler at Beatles shows before we joined the band, 18 00:01:32,476 --> 00:01:35,276 Speaker 1: and why Paul McCartney was the only Beatle who would 19 00:01:35,316 --> 00:01:41,396 Speaker 1: share a room with him. This is broken record liner 20 00:01:41,436 --> 00:01:49,316 Speaker 1: notes for the digital age. I'm justin Richmondon. Here's Rick 21 00:01:49,396 --> 00:01:54,276 Speaker 1: Rubin and Ringo Star. There you are, can you hear me? Okay, yeah, 22 00:01:54,276 --> 00:01:57,236 Speaker 1: I'm good, Ricor. I was just on the phone to Paul. 23 00:01:57,316 --> 00:01:59,316 Speaker 1: He gave me a great advice about to do with you. 24 00:02:00,076 --> 00:02:04,396 Speaker 1: What did he say? He said, you know, wonderful human being. 25 00:02:06,636 --> 00:02:10,116 Speaker 1: It's a weird day for us to be talking because Jollie, 26 00:02:10,156 --> 00:02:12,796 Speaker 1: because Charlie's passing, and I just wanted to ask you 27 00:02:12,996 --> 00:02:16,516 Speaker 1: any fond memories of Charlie. I have a lot of 28 00:02:16,556 --> 00:02:19,676 Speaker 1: fund memories of Charlie, and you know, just because you 29 00:02:19,796 --> 00:02:22,916 Speaker 1: like music. I mean, my line always used to be 30 00:02:23,516 --> 00:02:25,756 Speaker 1: over the years, what do you think of Charlie said? Well, 31 00:02:25,796 --> 00:02:31,676 Speaker 1: Charlie plays even less than I do, you know, and 32 00:02:31,876 --> 00:02:34,636 Speaker 1: any musician got that one. But yeah, we had some 33 00:02:34,796 --> 00:02:37,596 Speaker 1: nights out so someone was just telling me Charlie's quote, 34 00:02:37,916 --> 00:02:40,676 Speaker 1: well you know, what do you think about Ringo's drum? 35 00:02:40,716 --> 00:02:42,556 Speaker 1: And he said, I don't know much of that about 36 00:02:42,556 --> 00:02:44,276 Speaker 1: his druming, but we have a great time when we 37 00:02:44,316 --> 00:02:49,556 Speaker 1: go out together. Fantastic. Yeah, So you know, it's sad 38 00:02:49,876 --> 00:02:53,836 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but it happens, you know, that's the deal, 39 00:02:54,076 --> 00:02:56,956 Speaker 1: that's part of growing up. Yeah, but he was a 40 00:02:56,996 --> 00:03:00,156 Speaker 1: great plan. I mean he held those guys together for gutsy. 41 00:03:00,516 --> 00:03:06,796 Speaker 1: His job was harder than mine. Yeah, he was incredible, incredible. 42 00:03:07,116 --> 00:03:09,196 Speaker 1: I feel like as good as it, as good as 43 00:03:09,196 --> 00:03:12,716 Speaker 1: it's ever been done. Yeah. Well, you know, we're from 44 00:03:12,716 --> 00:03:15,036 Speaker 1: the school where you don't have to be busy, and 45 00:03:15,516 --> 00:03:19,476 Speaker 1: my absolutely you know when anyone tells me or asked 46 00:03:19,476 --> 00:03:21,676 Speaker 1: me how to play, well, you know, you don't need 47 00:03:21,716 --> 00:03:23,836 Speaker 1: if the singers singing, you don't need to be doing 48 00:03:23,916 --> 00:03:26,476 Speaker 1: drum boogie, you know what I mean, just hold them 49 00:03:26,516 --> 00:03:30,476 Speaker 1: together and then you didn't do fills. That's how I work. Yes, 50 00:03:30,716 --> 00:03:33,916 Speaker 1: with the song, you know, something that changed with your 51 00:03:33,956 --> 00:03:37,036 Speaker 1: style though, Like in the early Beatles stuff, it was 52 00:03:37,116 --> 00:03:40,036 Speaker 1: more straightforward playing a B through the song, but then 53 00:03:40,116 --> 00:03:43,676 Speaker 1: as time went on it got more almost orchestral like, answering, 54 00:03:44,236 --> 00:03:46,276 Speaker 1: answering what the other things were going on? How did 55 00:03:46,276 --> 00:03:48,996 Speaker 1: that start? How did the switch happen? I think that's 56 00:03:49,036 --> 00:03:53,996 Speaker 1: just was a natural progression. Well, I actually understand what 57 00:03:54,076 --> 00:03:58,356 Speaker 1: you're saying. And you know, when the Abbey Road came 58 00:03:58,396 --> 00:04:02,276 Speaker 1: out two years ago, now, I think the remaster, they 59 00:04:02,276 --> 00:04:05,996 Speaker 1: had a big get together at Abbey Road and friends 60 00:04:06,076 --> 00:04:08,756 Speaker 1: and family and all of kids, and they had a 61 00:04:08,796 --> 00:04:11,756 Speaker 1: play back and I'm playing, I'm sitting next to Falling. 62 00:04:11,756 --> 00:04:20,556 Speaker 1: I'm going, man, I'm much too busy, you know. And 63 00:04:20,756 --> 00:04:24,316 Speaker 1: you know, if you're listening to Bathroom Window and those 64 00:04:24,516 --> 00:04:28,596 Speaker 1: that side of that album. I got the new drums, 65 00:04:28,916 --> 00:04:30,716 Speaker 1: you know, a new kid of drums, and they had 66 00:04:30,836 --> 00:04:33,676 Speaker 1: actually carf heads. I never had carf heads and were 67 00:04:33,676 --> 00:04:36,996 Speaker 1: always plastic. And the depth everything I've been trying to 68 00:04:36,996 --> 00:04:40,116 Speaker 1: get with the tea towels and putting packs of cigarettes 69 00:04:40,116 --> 00:04:43,396 Speaker 1: to deaden them because of the skin. The depth was 70 00:04:43,516 --> 00:04:46,836 Speaker 1: so great. So you know, she came into blah blah 71 00:04:46,836 --> 00:04:53,076 Speaker 1: blaham wins. It's all over those tracks. I think that's 72 00:04:53,116 --> 00:04:55,116 Speaker 1: just how I felt then. I just loved the sounds. 73 00:04:55,156 --> 00:04:56,916 Speaker 1: I was going to put them on, you know, I 74 00:04:57,076 --> 00:05:00,996 Speaker 1: just did a master class and I was trying to 75 00:05:01,076 --> 00:05:05,036 Speaker 1: tell them, you know, there's parts the drummer players like 76 00:05:05,156 --> 00:05:07,996 Speaker 1: bump bump dig dig dil. Do you know that's a part. 77 00:05:08,556 --> 00:05:11,356 Speaker 1: And then those pills you know by don blah blam 78 00:05:12,076 --> 00:05:14,516 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Don't you know there is a 79 00:05:14,596 --> 00:05:17,756 Speaker 1: difference to it. They you know, they were They all 80 00:05:17,836 --> 00:05:20,756 Speaker 1: think like it's all fills. Well, no, not really, it's 81 00:05:20,836 --> 00:05:24,076 Speaker 1: part of it. Besides Charlie from the old days. Who 82 00:05:24,076 --> 00:05:26,476 Speaker 1: are the other drummers that you were impressed by? Who 83 00:05:26,476 --> 00:05:29,676 Speaker 1: were the ones he liked? Well, I was impressed by 84 00:05:30,236 --> 00:05:33,916 Speaker 1: a lot of different drummers. But you know how weird 85 00:05:33,996 --> 00:05:36,796 Speaker 1: it may sound. You know, I only have a practice 86 00:05:36,876 --> 00:05:39,196 Speaker 1: once and then I learned how to play. Join in 87 00:05:39,276 --> 00:05:42,596 Speaker 1: bands of Liverpool. We all made the same mistakes and 88 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:46,956 Speaker 1: got it together. And when I played a record, you know, 89 00:05:46,996 --> 00:05:50,196 Speaker 1: Solomon bit doesn't matter who. I listened to the record 90 00:05:50,996 --> 00:05:55,116 Speaker 1: and it wasn't like listening. The drums were just good 91 00:05:55,396 --> 00:05:59,756 Speaker 1: and uh al Greens, I'm a ram. It's like one 92 00:05:59,796 --> 00:06:02,996 Speaker 1: of those moments in my life. I'm in London in 93 00:06:03,036 --> 00:06:05,276 Speaker 1: an apartment George and I shared, but he was out 94 00:06:05,276 --> 00:06:08,996 Speaker 1: in claus Woman and I were playing records and he goes, 95 00:06:09,236 --> 00:06:15,316 Speaker 1: I'm around it does this crazy? It's like parts of 96 00:06:15,356 --> 00:06:18,156 Speaker 1: it and that sort of helped me. Oh well I 97 00:06:18,196 --> 00:06:21,036 Speaker 1: can make parts now, you know what I mean. That 98 00:06:21,076 --> 00:06:26,476 Speaker 1: blew me away. It's such a simple move that it 99 00:06:26,636 --> 00:06:28,796 Speaker 1: changed my life and my way of drumming just that 100 00:06:29,076 --> 00:06:33,236 Speaker 1: high hats amazing. It's amazing how we hear the things 101 00:06:33,276 --> 00:06:35,476 Speaker 1: that we need to hear at the right time to 102 00:06:35,516 --> 00:06:38,516 Speaker 1: move us on our journey. You know, it's amazing. Yeah, 103 00:06:38,556 --> 00:06:41,996 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you come on planet. No, it's impossible. 104 00:06:41,996 --> 00:06:44,596 Speaker 1: It just happens. I mean, if it's like the ever 105 00:06:44,836 --> 00:06:48,876 Speaker 1: continuing story of sliding doors, you know, if clouds hadden 106 00:06:48,916 --> 00:06:51,356 Speaker 1: to come over. You know, in this moment, if I 107 00:06:51,396 --> 00:06:54,676 Speaker 1: hadn't a been in or whatever, we'd have had another 108 00:06:54,756 --> 00:06:58,076 Speaker 1: drink and forgot that, you know whatever. But it moved 109 00:06:58,116 --> 00:07:01,076 Speaker 1: me along. I wanted to ask you about you're singing 110 00:07:01,076 --> 00:07:03,316 Speaker 1: on the new EP, because it sounds like you're singing 111 00:07:03,956 --> 00:07:08,276 Speaker 1: better than ever. And thanks coming from you, brother, that's good. No, 112 00:07:08,436 --> 00:07:10,876 Speaker 1: you say it's amazing. You know. I think the more 113 00:07:10,956 --> 00:07:14,316 Speaker 1: you do it, you know what I mean, it's uh. 114 00:07:14,836 --> 00:07:16,236 Speaker 1: You know, I got a lot of help from my 115 00:07:16,356 --> 00:07:22,596 Speaker 1: engineer says, oh, let's do that again. You do a 116 00:07:22,596 --> 00:07:24,276 Speaker 1: cover of Rock around the Clock. And I wanted to 117 00:07:24,276 --> 00:07:26,236 Speaker 1: ask you, do you remember the first time you ever 118 00:07:26,276 --> 00:07:29,356 Speaker 1: heard the song Rock around the Clock like he was yesterday? 119 00:07:29,676 --> 00:07:33,116 Speaker 1: Tell me. Yeah, So I'm in hospital. I have my 120 00:07:33,156 --> 00:07:37,316 Speaker 1: fourteenth birthday in hospital, and we're weeks away from my 121 00:07:37,476 --> 00:07:40,876 Speaker 1: fifteenth birthday and I don't want to be there for 122 00:07:40,996 --> 00:07:44,596 Speaker 1: my fifteenth birthday. And I'm well, now I'm out of bed. 123 00:07:44,676 --> 00:07:47,556 Speaker 1: I'm walking and running. You know, we're playing. I'm fourteen. 124 00:07:48,156 --> 00:07:50,676 Speaker 1: And so my mom and I tried to get me 125 00:07:50,716 --> 00:07:53,836 Speaker 1: out before my birthday and we went to talk to 126 00:07:53,876 --> 00:07:57,396 Speaker 1: the doctors and they checked me in. Anyway, a couple 127 00:07:57,436 --> 00:08:00,276 Speaker 1: of weeks before it was fifteen, they said you can leave. 128 00:08:00,436 --> 00:08:03,676 Speaker 1: You know, I had TB. So we came out. We 129 00:08:03,716 --> 00:08:06,516 Speaker 1: went down to London to my stepdad's family and said 130 00:08:06,556 --> 00:08:08,796 Speaker 1: hi to them, and then we came back. And then 131 00:08:09,276 --> 00:08:12,716 Speaker 1: of weeks later my grandparents who brought me off with 132 00:08:12,756 --> 00:08:15,916 Speaker 1: my mother. We're going to the Isle of Man. That's 133 00:08:15,956 --> 00:08:20,076 Speaker 1: an island just off England. It was like the holiday spot. 134 00:08:20,156 --> 00:08:23,116 Speaker 1: It was like the Florida of the north of England. 135 00:08:23,516 --> 00:08:26,076 Speaker 1: They would go over the guys from the factories and 136 00:08:26,156 --> 00:08:28,636 Speaker 1: that would kiss me quick hats and you know, they 137 00:08:28,636 --> 00:08:31,716 Speaker 1: were the lads anyway, rocking around the clock. The movie 138 00:08:31,836 --> 00:08:34,956 Speaker 1: was playing and I went to see the movie and 139 00:08:35,036 --> 00:08:39,876 Speaker 1: besides Bill Haley blew me Away. They ripped up the cinema. 140 00:08:40,236 --> 00:08:43,396 Speaker 1: They pulled the seats out there with throwing them at 141 00:08:43,396 --> 00:08:46,756 Speaker 1: the screen. They were just rock and roll crazy and 142 00:08:46,796 --> 00:08:54,036 Speaker 1: I thought that's good, and you know, that was probably 143 00:08:54,076 --> 00:08:57,116 Speaker 1: another move moved me to music. But you know the 144 00:08:57,196 --> 00:09:00,476 Speaker 1: thing with Bill Haley was he was always like your dad. 145 00:09:00,756 --> 00:09:03,396 Speaker 1: We were teenaged, young teenage, and he was just like 146 00:09:03,436 --> 00:09:05,596 Speaker 1: your dad. He played rock. He was the only one. 147 00:09:05,876 --> 00:09:09,716 Speaker 1: And the BBC actually played him several times, you know, 148 00:09:09,756 --> 00:09:13,156 Speaker 1: because they played nothing. The BBC was still boring, living 149 00:09:13,196 --> 00:09:17,116 Speaker 1: in the past. But then when Eddie Cochrane, Elvis of course, 150 00:09:17,156 --> 00:09:20,116 Speaker 1: and you know, Buddy, all that crowd came out, it 151 00:09:20,316 --> 00:09:22,956 Speaker 1: was like, all right, that's rock. You know, rock sort 152 00:09:22,996 --> 00:09:25,036 Speaker 1: of came to its place. But we did have a 153 00:09:25,076 --> 00:09:28,836 Speaker 1: lot of incredible sort of blues player. I loved the blues, 154 00:09:28,876 --> 00:09:31,236 Speaker 1: you know, and everyone knows my story with Lightning Hopkins 155 00:09:31,956 --> 00:09:35,356 Speaker 1: and a lot of other players, of course, and the 156 00:09:35,436 --> 00:09:40,156 Speaker 1: country came out, got into that, loved that, and I 157 00:09:40,236 --> 00:09:42,516 Speaker 1: was on the road to music now, you know. And 158 00:09:42,556 --> 00:09:44,836 Speaker 1: I was playing with Liverpool Band. Then I ended up 159 00:09:44,876 --> 00:09:48,276 Speaker 1: with Rory. And while I was with Rory, I mean, 160 00:09:48,676 --> 00:09:51,076 Speaker 1: Brian Epstein knocked on the door. I was a musician. 161 00:09:51,076 --> 00:09:53,796 Speaker 1: We didn't get up till noon bang bang, as the 162 00:09:53,836 --> 00:09:56,756 Speaker 1: Beatles are doing a lunchtime session. Would you you know 163 00:09:56,796 --> 00:09:59,116 Speaker 1: Pete can't make a kid you come down. That's where 164 00:09:59,116 --> 00:10:03,356 Speaker 1: I started playing with them, and then out of the blue, 165 00:10:03,476 --> 00:10:06,396 Speaker 1: we were on this gig for a holiday account. Three 166 00:10:06,396 --> 00:10:09,476 Speaker 1: month gig in those days was incredible and I got 167 00:10:09,476 --> 00:10:11,556 Speaker 1: a phone from Brian, so that moved that on, you 168 00:10:11,556 --> 00:10:14,236 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So just being where you're being 169 00:10:14,556 --> 00:10:18,596 Speaker 1: is it's like there's no explanation really, you can just 170 00:10:18,596 --> 00:10:22,756 Speaker 1: say it happened, you know, meant to be, meant to be. 171 00:10:23,156 --> 00:10:25,476 Speaker 1: You know. The fun part of when I joined the 172 00:10:25,476 --> 00:10:28,196 Speaker 1: Beatles was all the people in Liverpool saying, you're not 173 00:10:28,316 --> 00:10:34,076 Speaker 1: leaving Rory, are you? Because Rory was the biggest band 174 00:10:34,156 --> 00:10:37,236 Speaker 1: at the time. I said, yeah, I'm leaving that front line. 175 00:10:37,276 --> 00:10:40,836 Speaker 1: I love that front line. And that's how it started. 176 00:10:41,276 --> 00:10:45,036 Speaker 1: Did you ever record in the studio prior to being 177 00:10:45,036 --> 00:10:48,716 Speaker 1: in the Beatles. No, we did a demo Rory and 178 00:10:48,716 --> 00:10:51,916 Speaker 1: the Hurricanes did a demo in Germany like the Beatles 179 00:10:51,916 --> 00:10:56,156 Speaker 1: did with Tony Sherton an ascetate And the fun side 180 00:10:56,156 --> 00:10:59,396 Speaker 1: of that was I lost mine somewhere in the shuffle 181 00:10:59,436 --> 00:11:02,676 Speaker 1: of life, so I called Johnny guitar, who was the 182 00:11:02,716 --> 00:11:05,716 Speaker 1: guitarist in Rory's band, And I said, man, you know 183 00:11:05,756 --> 00:11:07,356 Speaker 1: i've lost mine. Would you make me a coffee? And 184 00:11:07,356 --> 00:11:15,516 Speaker 1: he says no, he musn't even make me a coffee. Okay, yeah, 185 00:11:15,596 --> 00:11:18,196 Speaker 1: but that was the only time I've ever been near 186 00:11:18,236 --> 00:11:21,276 Speaker 1: a studio. Was it different playing in the studio than 187 00:11:21,316 --> 00:11:26,156 Speaker 1: playing on stage? Yeah? Why? Well, because you know, I mean, 188 00:11:26,196 --> 00:11:29,036 Speaker 1: I to this day, I love the audience. You know 189 00:11:29,116 --> 00:11:31,956 Speaker 1: they I love the They know that, so they love me. 190 00:11:32,076 --> 00:11:36,476 Speaker 1: We have a love fest. And you know, my mother 191 00:11:36,756 --> 00:11:40,316 Speaker 1: said a thing years before. She said, you know what, Sun, 192 00:11:41,316 --> 00:11:44,756 Speaker 1: you always seem like your happiest when you're playing. You know. 193 00:11:45,236 --> 00:11:48,156 Speaker 1: That was a great line I remembered, and I did. 194 00:11:48,236 --> 00:11:50,756 Speaker 1: I love to play. I'd play now. I mean I 195 00:11:50,836 --> 00:11:53,516 Speaker 1: never practiced, but if you came with a piano or bass, 196 00:11:53,556 --> 00:11:57,356 Speaker 1: didn't matter guitar, I'd sit with you all night. I 197 00:11:57,396 --> 00:12:00,316 Speaker 1: would playing with another person, but not by myself. I 198 00:12:00,436 --> 00:12:03,676 Speaker 1: never liked me bombardon you know, it's like what it's 199 00:12:03,716 --> 00:12:06,396 Speaker 1: not what it's about. Oh, tell me about skiffle music, 200 00:12:06,436 --> 00:12:09,796 Speaker 1: because skiffle music was before all of the music style. 201 00:12:10,556 --> 00:12:12,996 Speaker 1: Piffle music, if you had the instrument you were in 202 00:12:13,036 --> 00:12:18,116 Speaker 1: the band and I had a snare drum, so I 203 00:12:18,156 --> 00:12:21,196 Speaker 1: was in the band. But the band the first bound 204 00:12:21,276 --> 00:12:24,756 Speaker 1: Eddie Clayton Skiffle Group and Lonnie Donaghan and it was like, 205 00:12:25,276 --> 00:12:27,756 Speaker 1: you know, New Orleans house party blues, you know, the 206 00:12:27,836 --> 00:12:29,516 Speaker 1: rock is line as a man of good. What do 207 00:12:29,596 --> 00:12:32,596 Speaker 1: we know about the rock Islam and nothing? But you know, 208 00:12:32,636 --> 00:12:36,276 Speaker 1: we're in Liverpool, but songs like that, you know, and 209 00:12:36,476 --> 00:12:39,996 Speaker 1: hey Lily, Lily, Lily, and you know, the laft was 210 00:12:40,596 --> 00:12:44,676 Speaker 1: you could play anything schiffle in one chord. But anyway, 211 00:12:44,796 --> 00:12:47,636 Speaker 1: next door neighbor and worked in the same factory was 212 00:12:47,836 --> 00:12:50,716 Speaker 1: a guy called Eddie Miles who liked to call himself 213 00:12:50,836 --> 00:12:54,756 Speaker 1: Eddie Clayton. But he was an incredible guitar player. And 214 00:12:54,876 --> 00:12:57,116 Speaker 1: I had my snare drum. And then I had my 215 00:12:57,196 --> 00:13:00,756 Speaker 1: friend Roy in the factory and he took up the 216 00:13:00,836 --> 00:13:03,956 Speaker 1: tea chests, just a tea chest with a you know, 217 00:13:03,956 --> 00:13:07,636 Speaker 1: a broom pole and a piece of string. So he 218 00:13:07,796 --> 00:13:10,396 Speaker 1: turned into the bass place. We were the trio and 219 00:13:10,516 --> 00:13:13,556 Speaker 1: we went around playing skiffle songs, you know, and that's 220 00:13:13,556 --> 00:13:16,596 Speaker 1: how it started. And you know, one of the things 221 00:13:16,636 --> 00:13:19,916 Speaker 1: we did in those days, we'd play weddings. We'd play anywhere. 222 00:13:20,236 --> 00:13:23,636 Speaker 1: We didn't care. And we were playing at this dance 223 00:13:24,556 --> 00:13:26,556 Speaker 1: and people were dancing to us. But we had no 224 00:13:26,596 --> 00:13:32,396 Speaker 1: sense of time. So everythink we get fast, I can 225 00:13:32,556 --> 00:13:42,636 Speaker 1: express and you throw it down he lightly. We'd get 226 00:13:42,636 --> 00:13:46,716 Speaker 1: excited or whatever and anyway, so I learned my lesson 227 00:13:46,796 --> 00:13:51,676 Speaker 1: and I'm a great timekeeper. But at the beginning, you 228 00:13:51,756 --> 00:13:56,076 Speaker 1: don't know, You're just excited. So skiffle music. Skiffle music 229 00:13:56,156 --> 00:13:59,436 Speaker 1: gave us all a chance to play. Yeah, And the 230 00:13:59,596 --> 00:14:02,916 Speaker 1: government didn't know what they were doing when they you know, 231 00:14:02,956 --> 00:14:04,476 Speaker 1: we start the call up. You had to go in 232 00:14:04,516 --> 00:14:07,436 Speaker 1: the army at eighteen. And they came out and made 233 00:14:07,436 --> 00:14:10,436 Speaker 1: an announcements after the wars in the fifties, they said, 234 00:14:10,476 --> 00:14:13,996 Speaker 1: if you were born, I have to November nineteen thirty nine, 235 00:14:14,076 --> 00:14:18,396 Speaker 1: you don't have to come in the army. Great, because 236 00:14:18,436 --> 00:14:20,956 Speaker 1: you know, I was like an apprentice, because if you 237 00:14:20,996 --> 00:14:24,436 Speaker 1: had a job or something could experience, they'd put you 238 00:14:24,596 --> 00:14:26,316 Speaker 1: like on the back bench, you know what I mean. 239 00:14:26,756 --> 00:14:29,556 Speaker 1: But if you were just a working guy, they'd take 240 00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:33,236 Speaker 1: you in the army. So that was like an incredible 241 00:14:33,356 --> 00:14:36,396 Speaker 1: moment because I just thought, okay, no, what eight months 242 00:14:36,476 --> 00:14:41,996 Speaker 1: nine months how you doing, Captain, you know. So anyway, 243 00:14:42,036 --> 00:14:45,436 Speaker 1: that's what happened there. And then we don't think of 244 00:14:45,476 --> 00:14:48,156 Speaker 1: skiffle as a popular music in the US, but it 245 00:14:48,196 --> 00:14:51,996 Speaker 1: sounds like in the UK a huge skiffle music was 246 00:14:52,636 --> 00:14:56,596 Speaker 1: essentially coming. Was it coming from America? The roots of it? Yeah, 247 00:14:56,636 --> 00:15:00,276 Speaker 1: it was America. It's like the blues, you know, we'd 248 00:15:00,316 --> 00:15:02,316 Speaker 1: do a blues song the stone to do a blue 249 00:15:02,356 --> 00:15:05,356 Speaker 1: song and it wasn't really big in America, and then 250 00:15:05,356 --> 00:15:09,196 Speaker 1: everyone got into the blues because we were passing it back. Yeah. 251 00:15:09,236 --> 00:15:11,836 Speaker 1: I was blessed or we were blessed. We lived in 252 00:15:11,876 --> 00:15:15,276 Speaker 1: Liverpool because it was a port, so all the guys, 253 00:15:15,556 --> 00:15:18,476 Speaker 1: you know, the eighteen to twenty pours would go to America. 254 00:15:18,916 --> 00:15:21,196 Speaker 1: You know, it was the merchant Navy. They weren't in 255 00:15:21,276 --> 00:15:25,236 Speaker 1: the Navy, and they'd bring all these records back and 256 00:15:25,276 --> 00:15:28,636 Speaker 1: then they'd spend all the money and getting drunk, and 257 00:15:28,676 --> 00:15:31,276 Speaker 1: then they'd sell their records and we were picking those 258 00:15:31,356 --> 00:15:34,396 Speaker 1: records up. It was incredible, you know, the records we 259 00:15:34,516 --> 00:15:37,516 Speaker 1: had in those days, so that you know, you have 260 00:15:37,556 --> 00:15:41,036 Speaker 1: to thank them. We'll be back after a short break 261 00:15:41,156 --> 00:15:47,796 Speaker 1: with more from Ringo. We're back with more from Rick 262 00:15:47,876 --> 00:15:52,276 Speaker 1: Rubin's conversation with Ringo Star. Besides Rock around the Clock, 263 00:15:52,356 --> 00:15:54,396 Speaker 1: what were the songs when you heard them? A like 264 00:15:55,116 --> 00:15:59,396 Speaker 1: life changing songs from childhood? Well, you know, I'm a 265 00:15:59,516 --> 00:16:06,676 Speaker 1: sentimental fool. Eddie Calvert, Oh my papa. And I was 266 00:16:06,756 --> 00:16:10,716 Speaker 1: blessed with my stepdad because he like big bands. He 267 00:16:10,876 --> 00:16:15,076 Speaker 1: had big band fever in it, like Billy Eckstein and 268 00:16:15,396 --> 00:16:19,196 Speaker 1: you know, Billy Daniels and I just remember the Billy's 269 00:16:19,236 --> 00:16:22,636 Speaker 1: he always played. And he was so great with me 270 00:16:22,676 --> 00:16:25,196 Speaker 1: because I'd be playing whatever I'm playing and he'd said, 271 00:16:25,356 --> 00:16:28,236 Speaker 1: have you heard this? You know, and he'd moved me 272 00:16:28,276 --> 00:16:30,716 Speaker 1: off for Steff And the time he said to me, 273 00:16:30,756 --> 00:16:33,076 Speaker 1: have you heard this? And he never said that ship 274 00:16:33,236 --> 00:16:35,236 Speaker 1: get it off. You just said, hey, have you heard this? 275 00:16:35,916 --> 00:16:39,596 Speaker 1: And he gave me Sarah on and said, whoa wo 276 00:16:39,916 --> 00:16:44,116 Speaker 1: Yeah that was far out now looking back, yes, So 277 00:16:44,236 --> 00:16:48,196 Speaker 1: she changed my life. She doesn't know it. Amazing, amazing 278 00:16:48,236 --> 00:16:50,956 Speaker 1: And I bet I bet other kids in the UK 279 00:16:51,036 --> 00:16:53,916 Speaker 1: weren't hearing that kind of music. They weren't. And Glenn 280 00:16:53,916 --> 00:16:57,316 Speaker 1: Miller and all the big bands of the day, you know, 281 00:16:57,356 --> 00:16:59,636 Speaker 1: at the side stories of this is when we were 282 00:16:59,676 --> 00:17:03,516 Speaker 1: the Beatles and we were opening for Helen Shapiro. She 283 00:17:03,636 --> 00:17:07,436 Speaker 1: had this band. Do you remember the Ted Heath Big Band. 284 00:17:08,116 --> 00:17:10,196 Speaker 1: It was a big band in England at the time, 285 00:17:10,236 --> 00:17:12,556 Speaker 1: the fifties. He was huge. Anyway, They were all like 286 00:17:12,676 --> 00:17:17,396 Speaker 1: his players. But anyway, we were lads and I'm saying, yeah, Hi, 287 00:17:17,796 --> 00:17:21,436 Speaker 1: what are you doing? How old are you? And he'd say, 288 00:17:21,476 --> 00:17:28,996 Speaker 1: like forty forty and you're still playing. We were looking 289 00:17:28,996 --> 00:17:31,636 Speaker 1: at them like these red old guys, but hey, I'm 290 00:17:31,676 --> 00:17:36,276 Speaker 1: way past forty. Did you always imagine playing music young 291 00:17:36,436 --> 00:17:39,036 Speaker 1: and then getting a job. Was that always like how 292 00:17:39,076 --> 00:17:43,036 Speaker 1: you imagine life going? No. I dreamt from when I 293 00:17:43,076 --> 00:17:46,436 Speaker 1: was thirteen in this same hospital. This hospital had a 294 00:17:46,476 --> 00:17:48,876 Speaker 1: lot to do with me because I was laying in 295 00:17:48,956 --> 00:17:52,476 Speaker 1: bed that we had people come around and teach it 296 00:17:52,556 --> 00:17:54,676 Speaker 1: to nits and stuff you can do in bed, and 297 00:17:54,876 --> 00:17:59,916 Speaker 1: had knit and they brought in these maracas and tambourines 298 00:18:00,076 --> 00:18:04,116 Speaker 1: and little drums and like acoustic stuff you can hit 299 00:18:04,156 --> 00:18:07,956 Speaker 1: and shake. And I hit that drum and I wanted 300 00:18:07,996 --> 00:18:11,476 Speaker 1: to be a drummer. Wow. And every time she came back, 301 00:18:12,076 --> 00:18:13,796 Speaker 1: if she didn't give me a drum, I wouldn't play 302 00:18:13,836 --> 00:18:18,676 Speaker 1: in the band. You know. It was like lightning. Lightning 303 00:18:18,836 --> 00:18:22,316 Speaker 1: attacked meats and I wanted to be only from that 304 00:18:22,516 --> 00:18:24,716 Speaker 1: that moment I wanted to be a drummer. And when 305 00:18:24,716 --> 00:18:26,836 Speaker 1: I came out of hospital, I go around the stores. 306 00:18:27,516 --> 00:18:30,676 Speaker 1: There's are quite a few music stores in Liverpool, you know, 307 00:18:30,716 --> 00:18:33,996 Speaker 1: the pretty musical city really and just look at the 308 00:18:34,076 --> 00:18:39,356 Speaker 1: drums and you know God's gift. I mean, my stepdad's 309 00:18:39,756 --> 00:18:42,716 Speaker 1: uncle died. We lived in Liverpool. He went down to 310 00:18:42,876 --> 00:18:47,516 Speaker 1: London outside London, Romford to go to the funeral. Little 311 00:18:47,556 --> 00:18:50,996 Speaker 1: did he know the guy was a drummer. And he 312 00:18:51,076 --> 00:18:54,756 Speaker 1: saw that upstairs they had all these drums and he 313 00:18:54,796 --> 00:18:57,716 Speaker 1: asked the guy's wife, which you sell them to him? 314 00:18:57,796 --> 00:19:01,196 Speaker 1: Could he buy those drums? And he brought me my 315 00:19:01,276 --> 00:19:04,836 Speaker 1: first kit that gave me a snare drum that allowed 316 00:19:04,836 --> 00:19:08,476 Speaker 1: me to join all those early bands. You know, it's 317 00:19:08,516 --> 00:19:11,556 Speaker 1: like magice. Something you said earlier is interesting to me 318 00:19:11,676 --> 00:19:15,276 Speaker 1: that you first heard the song that you covered in 319 00:19:15,316 --> 00:19:19,396 Speaker 1: a movie. It's interesting because we now we think of 320 00:19:19,836 --> 00:19:21,556 Speaker 1: if you hear a song in a movie, it's because 321 00:19:21,556 --> 00:19:24,036 Speaker 1: it's already popular in the world, and now it's in 322 00:19:24,076 --> 00:19:25,436 Speaker 1: a movie. You know, then you get to see it 323 00:19:25,436 --> 00:19:28,036 Speaker 1: in a movie. But it sounds like for you it 324 00:19:28,156 --> 00:19:30,276 Speaker 1: was the opposite where the first time you got to 325 00:19:30,356 --> 00:19:33,116 Speaker 1: hear it was in a movie. Yeah, but you know, 326 00:19:33,236 --> 00:19:36,876 Speaker 1: Bill was huge in that time, and it was rock 327 00:19:36,916 --> 00:19:40,156 Speaker 1: and roll. I mean we'd never heard of it. You know. 328 00:19:40,676 --> 00:19:44,556 Speaker 1: We went from skiffle into rock into soul music really 329 00:19:45,076 --> 00:19:47,476 Speaker 1: and one of the good you know, tell me Steele, 330 00:19:47,476 --> 00:19:51,316 Speaker 1: the English singer from the fifties and sixties. He was 331 00:19:51,356 --> 00:19:54,276 Speaker 1: in the Mansian Navy and he came back and he 332 00:19:54,476 --> 00:19:56,876 Speaker 1: was set as a singer the Two Eyes coffee Bar 333 00:19:57,036 --> 00:20:00,036 Speaker 1: in London and they were saying, well, what do you 334 00:20:00,076 --> 00:20:03,716 Speaker 1: call that music? And he go, I think I'm gonna 335 00:20:03,716 --> 00:20:08,316 Speaker 1: call it rock and roll and all the British press 336 00:20:09,196 --> 00:20:15,156 Speaker 1: he's calling it rock and roll like he invented it. 337 00:20:15,156 --> 00:20:17,796 Speaker 1: It was so fun because there wasn't a lot of 338 00:20:18,476 --> 00:20:21,916 Speaker 1: rock and roll infest in England at the time. You know, 339 00:20:22,556 --> 00:20:25,796 Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, all the family parties I went to, 340 00:20:25,916 --> 00:20:29,196 Speaker 1: it was all music from the forties. Really. Everybody had 341 00:20:29,236 --> 00:20:33,396 Speaker 1: to sing like show tunes, show tunes and stuff like that. Yeah. 342 00:20:33,476 --> 00:20:37,396 Speaker 1: So anyway, you know, my moves came from out of 343 00:20:37,396 --> 00:20:39,876 Speaker 1: the blue and that made me go left or right 344 00:20:39,996 --> 00:20:44,156 Speaker 1: and in my opinion, made the right decisions. Was it 345 00:20:44,196 --> 00:20:47,436 Speaker 1: as much the energy of rock and roll that spoke 346 00:20:47,436 --> 00:20:49,476 Speaker 1: to you first. Was it like, what was it? How 347 00:20:49,476 --> 00:20:52,316 Speaker 1: would you describe the connection having never heard it before, 348 00:20:52,556 --> 00:20:55,316 Speaker 1: never heard it before. I heard Bill Haley and he 349 00:20:55,436 --> 00:21:00,636 Speaker 1: was rocking. But more important, all those teenagers loved rock 350 00:21:00,676 --> 00:21:04,076 Speaker 1: and roll. They'd been into it whereever it was, and 351 00:21:04,116 --> 00:21:06,916 Speaker 1: that their attitude was if we hear rock and roll, 352 00:21:07,116 --> 00:21:09,916 Speaker 1: we rip up the cinema, you know, because they were 353 00:21:09,996 --> 00:21:12,556 Speaker 1: just so excited. I mean, I remember what was that 354 00:21:12,596 --> 00:21:15,116 Speaker 1: first movie Elvis did? And it was like a western 355 00:21:15,116 --> 00:21:18,836 Speaker 1: in a way. They were country boys. He's like this 356 00:21:18,916 --> 00:21:22,116 Speaker 1: big on the screen and we're going on a cinema 357 00:21:22,196 --> 00:21:27,916 Speaker 1: to see Elvis in Liverpool and this big All the 358 00:21:27,996 --> 00:21:33,156 Speaker 1: girls screamed and said, we can't even fucking see him. 359 00:21:34,436 --> 00:21:36,996 Speaker 1: There he comes. They knew he was coming and they 360 00:21:37,196 --> 00:21:40,036 Speaker 1: took off. So we were not the first band to 361 00:21:40,076 --> 00:21:44,956 Speaker 1: be screamed at. Was there a turning point when it 362 00:21:45,036 --> 00:21:48,156 Speaker 1: went from feeling like you were in a band like everybody, 363 00:21:48,236 --> 00:21:50,516 Speaker 1: like the other the other lads that were in bands, 364 00:21:51,156 --> 00:21:53,676 Speaker 1: to where it felt like, Okay, this is really different 365 00:21:53,756 --> 00:21:57,796 Speaker 1: being in this band. In my own way, it's all 366 00:21:57,836 --> 00:22:02,356 Speaker 1: about the band and I my all my moves to 367 00:22:02,396 --> 00:22:05,396 Speaker 1: get in better bands, and as we know where we 368 00:22:05,476 --> 00:22:09,276 Speaker 1: ended up. But anyway, Rory was great because it was 369 00:22:09,316 --> 00:22:11,636 Speaker 1: a show band and we had suits and you know, 370 00:22:12,076 --> 00:22:15,436 Speaker 1: we're dressed off from those days, more like the fifties. 371 00:22:15,716 --> 00:22:19,676 Speaker 1: You know. His big act of craziness at the end 372 00:22:19,716 --> 00:22:22,356 Speaker 1: of the set was he'd be singing some rock number 373 00:22:22,596 --> 00:22:24,596 Speaker 1: and he'd get up. There was always enough right piano 374 00:22:24,676 --> 00:22:28,156 Speaker 1: behind me. A climb on that and jump over my 375 00:22:28,236 --> 00:22:33,436 Speaker 1: head to the fall. But so it was like a 376 00:22:33,516 --> 00:22:36,756 Speaker 1: lot of Rory in the Hurricanes. We had. The Johnny 377 00:22:36,796 --> 00:22:40,316 Speaker 1: guitar was this incredible rhythm guitarist. I loved him and 378 00:22:40,316 --> 00:22:42,396 Speaker 1: he stood there and he played. I was related him 379 00:22:42,396 --> 00:22:46,036 Speaker 1: to Jimmy Andricks. And Rory did his staff and Lou 380 00:22:46,116 --> 00:22:48,756 Speaker 1: had a great voice. He would do mail Man giving 381 00:22:48,996 --> 00:22:53,796 Speaker 1: you know, Buddy Holly's numbers and it really worked. But 382 00:22:54,196 --> 00:22:58,036 Speaker 1: when we ended up in Germany playing the Kaiser Keller 383 00:22:58,716 --> 00:23:01,236 Speaker 1: and the Beatles were playing down the road in the 384 00:23:01,276 --> 00:23:05,756 Speaker 1: band Bikino, living behind the toilets. Then Cosh Media, the 385 00:23:05,796 --> 00:23:08,196 Speaker 1: guy who owned both clubs, decided to put us both 386 00:23:08,236 --> 00:23:12,916 Speaker 1: on the same cloth. That's where I became an huge 387 00:23:12,996 --> 00:23:16,196 Speaker 1: fan of the Beatles. Of that front line. I have 388 00:23:16,276 --> 00:23:19,956 Speaker 1: to say I only love that front line. And where 389 00:23:19,996 --> 00:23:23,676 Speaker 1: we got our strength from, when I think helped us 390 00:23:23,716 --> 00:23:27,636 Speaker 1: become who we are, was between two bands we did 391 00:23:27,796 --> 00:23:30,836 Speaker 1: at the weekend. We did twelve hours between us, and 392 00:23:30,956 --> 00:23:33,276 Speaker 1: you know, you get to know what you're doing and 393 00:23:33,396 --> 00:23:35,556 Speaker 1: you get to play and you get to feel each other, 394 00:23:35,756 --> 00:23:37,356 Speaker 1: you know. And then I went back and played a 395 00:23:37,396 --> 00:23:40,916 Speaker 1: month with Tony Sheridan and you know, that was off. 396 00:23:42,036 --> 00:23:45,636 Speaker 1: It was like the music city Hamburg was great. It's 397 00:23:45,756 --> 00:23:47,916 Speaker 1: very sad now was there a couple of years ago 398 00:23:47,996 --> 00:23:52,676 Speaker 1: with Klaus and it's all gone. But anyway, things change. Yes, 399 00:23:52,836 --> 00:23:56,116 Speaker 1: you know, what did you see in that front line? 400 00:23:56,276 --> 00:23:58,116 Speaker 1: Like when you would go to see them play before 401 00:23:58,116 --> 00:24:00,596 Speaker 1: you join the band? What was it like? How were 402 00:24:00,636 --> 00:24:05,036 Speaker 1: they different? They were just the vibe was so tight 403 00:24:05,676 --> 00:24:09,396 Speaker 1: and great, and then you know, Rory and I, you know, 404 00:24:09,436 --> 00:24:11,916 Speaker 1: the group would finish and they'd have another two hours 405 00:24:11,956 --> 00:24:14,356 Speaker 1: to do for an hour or something. I'd always just 406 00:24:14,676 --> 00:24:18,036 Speaker 1: I was drunk by then. Of course we were teenagers, 407 00:24:18,436 --> 00:24:22,996 Speaker 1: well not really, it was about twenty. But I would 408 00:24:22,996 --> 00:24:25,956 Speaker 1: just sit in the front, you know, in front of 409 00:24:25,956 --> 00:24:29,196 Speaker 1: the club, not on front of the stage, and just 410 00:24:29,476 --> 00:24:31,956 Speaker 1: yeah and then you know, would empty out because they 411 00:24:31,956 --> 00:24:34,356 Speaker 1: were onto four of them, all answering, and I would 412 00:24:34,396 --> 00:24:37,676 Speaker 1: request songs. I don't remember one song I requested, you 413 00:24:37,716 --> 00:24:41,956 Speaker 1: have to call Paul. And later on when I and 414 00:24:42,036 --> 00:24:45,436 Speaker 1: I just loved the front line. It was powerful and 415 00:24:45,596 --> 00:24:49,436 Speaker 1: it was the best front line in Liverpool. That's how 416 00:24:49,436 --> 00:24:52,636 Speaker 1: it was. And when I joined the band, John was 417 00:24:52,676 --> 00:24:55,356 Speaker 1: talking to me one day he says, you know, we 418 00:24:55,436 --> 00:24:58,916 Speaker 1: used to be really scared of you because I'd be 419 00:24:58,956 --> 00:25:02,676 Speaker 1: that guy. Hey, play me in all three balls in 420 00:25:02,756 --> 00:25:11,196 Speaker 1: the fact I'm Heckla and drunken Heckler in the back. 421 00:25:11,476 --> 00:25:16,556 Speaker 1: But yeah, something warmed by heart when I saw them. Yeah, 422 00:25:16,596 --> 00:25:19,556 Speaker 1: I just thought And when I would play for them 423 00:25:19,596 --> 00:25:23,996 Speaker 1: when Pete couldn't make it, it just worked great to 424 00:25:24,036 --> 00:25:27,196 Speaker 1: play with. It just was good for me, you know. 425 00:25:28,236 --> 00:25:31,916 Speaker 1: And in the end, look where you end up. Yeah, 426 00:25:32,036 --> 00:25:43,556 Speaker 1: amazing best move they ever made, yes, arguably, yes, Yeah, 427 00:25:43,596 --> 00:25:46,036 Speaker 1: I mean why didn't they pick me? I mean, what's that? 428 00:25:46,076 --> 00:25:49,076 Speaker 1: There was other drummers, you know, Johnny Hudch I like 429 00:25:49,156 --> 00:25:51,356 Speaker 1: to talk about Johnny Huch. There were two drummers in 430 00:25:51,396 --> 00:25:55,516 Speaker 1: Liverpool and Johnny Hodge was the other one. Yeah, but 431 00:25:55,596 --> 00:25:58,076 Speaker 1: just the energy was right and you can hear it 432 00:25:58,116 --> 00:26:00,876 Speaker 1: when you hear the recordings to this day. You can 433 00:26:00,916 --> 00:26:05,556 Speaker 1: hear the excitement in the performances. Yeah, they're alive. You know, 434 00:26:05,716 --> 00:26:10,836 Speaker 1: No one will believe how incredible it was that we 435 00:26:10,836 --> 00:26:13,836 Speaker 1: were in a studio making a record and then you 436 00:26:13,996 --> 00:26:17,156 Speaker 1: saw it as your ascetate first and always give me 437 00:26:17,196 --> 00:26:19,796 Speaker 1: facitates a little tapes and it was like you made 438 00:26:19,836 --> 00:26:24,196 Speaker 1: a record and we knew every time it was going 439 00:26:24,236 --> 00:26:27,956 Speaker 1: to be played on the BBC because they had a playlist, 440 00:26:28,236 --> 00:26:31,596 Speaker 1: so and we were always in the same car, and 441 00:26:31,956 --> 00:26:35,276 Speaker 1: you know, it's like love me do whatever's going to 442 00:26:35,356 --> 00:26:40,156 Speaker 1: be on at eleven fourteen, you know, they'd have it 443 00:26:40,316 --> 00:26:45,036 Speaker 1: that precise and we'd pull over like eleven twelve, get ready, 444 00:26:45,156 --> 00:26:49,356 Speaker 1: Well it's on the radio. I mean then, you know, nowadays, 445 00:26:49,436 --> 00:26:53,396 Speaker 1: I don't think the kids understand that the step up 446 00:26:53,756 --> 00:26:57,876 Speaker 1: is easier now, But then these were major steps and 447 00:26:58,236 --> 00:27:01,636 Speaker 1: we were making them. That was what was great, amazing 448 00:27:01,756 --> 00:27:05,396 Speaker 1: it all turned out. Well, was it strange when the 449 00:27:05,436 --> 00:27:09,436 Speaker 1: band decided to stop doing shows and still record, No, 450 00:27:09,636 --> 00:27:12,756 Speaker 1: that was the best move we ever made. We went 451 00:27:13,156 --> 00:27:16,676 Speaker 1: on stage and the audience made a lot of noise, 452 00:27:17,156 --> 00:27:20,956 Speaker 1: and in the end we were playing such big venues, 453 00:27:21,436 --> 00:27:24,956 Speaker 1: I couldn't hear them. You know. We were always house pa. 454 00:27:25,196 --> 00:27:28,156 Speaker 1: Now it'd be great, but we was a house pa. 455 00:27:28,236 --> 00:27:30,556 Speaker 1: So I'd have to like look at Paul's foot, he 456 00:27:30,676 --> 00:27:34,036 Speaker 1: was always tapping, and John at that so oh yeah. 457 00:27:34,076 --> 00:27:36,476 Speaker 1: And then if they went I'd never heard it. If 458 00:27:36,476 --> 00:27:41,716 Speaker 1: they went, oh that's where we are, you know, oh yeah, 459 00:27:41,716 --> 00:27:45,636 Speaker 1: it's that song, and I couldn't do any fills. I 460 00:27:45,756 --> 00:27:48,516 Speaker 1: just just keeping it together, you know, because they were 461 00:27:50,196 --> 00:27:55,076 Speaker 1: there was silence. I have to just keep the groove going. 462 00:27:55,636 --> 00:27:58,556 Speaker 1: And you know, I felt I was turning into a 463 00:27:58,636 --> 00:28:01,676 Speaker 1: really not as good a drummer as I could be. 464 00:28:02,396 --> 00:28:06,156 Speaker 1: I was just doing it for the live and just happened. 465 00:28:06,236 --> 00:28:09,636 Speaker 1: John felt the same. And then we told to Paul 466 00:28:09,716 --> 00:28:13,476 Speaker 1: and George and we thought, well, let's take a break 467 00:28:14,236 --> 00:28:18,236 Speaker 1: and go in the studio and we can just be 468 00:28:18,356 --> 00:28:23,116 Speaker 1: in the studio. And yeah, turned out fine, you know 469 00:28:23,116 --> 00:28:25,196 Speaker 1: what I mean. And we lived in the studio and 470 00:28:25,276 --> 00:28:27,796 Speaker 1: we you know, the livest we got was on the 471 00:28:27,876 --> 00:28:31,716 Speaker 1: roof what's in the documentary coming out? Yeah, And even 472 00:28:31,796 --> 00:28:34,836 Speaker 1: then I was laughing with Paul the other day where 473 00:28:35,476 --> 00:28:38,556 Speaker 1: there's conversations going on, I'm not in the shot him, 474 00:28:38,676 --> 00:28:40,276 Speaker 1: and he said, well, who wants to play live? And 475 00:28:40,356 --> 00:28:46,476 Speaker 1: you hear me going, I do and let The joke 476 00:28:46,516 --> 00:28:49,316 Speaker 1: with the Beatles was including the Habby Road, Let's do 477 00:28:49,396 --> 00:28:51,396 Speaker 1: it in the Egypt, Let's do it in the Roman 478 00:28:51,436 --> 00:28:55,036 Speaker 1: amphitheater of the cover, Let's walk across the road. I 479 00:28:55,036 --> 00:28:58,996 Speaker 1: think that was Paul said, let's just walk across Happy Road. Great, 480 00:28:59,876 --> 00:29:04,196 Speaker 1: and you know with the roof show, we've gone through that. 481 00:29:04,596 --> 00:29:07,636 Speaker 1: Let's do it in Alaska. Let's do it, you know, 482 00:29:07,796 --> 00:29:11,076 Speaker 1: Mount Everest, Let's do it. You know, we don't like this. 483 00:29:11,356 --> 00:29:16,476 Speaker 1: And Michael lindsay Over was pushing for this Roman dome 484 00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:21,876 Speaker 1: drone thing in somewhere yeah, you know, God knows where. 485 00:29:21,956 --> 00:29:25,596 Speaker 1: But anyway, well I think it was probably let's do 486 00:29:25,636 --> 00:29:30,516 Speaker 1: it on the roof O. Okay, we're playing live. You know. 487 00:29:30,556 --> 00:29:34,676 Speaker 1: It all happened after the big discussion, a big, big, big, 488 00:29:34,716 --> 00:29:37,596 Speaker 1: big wow. Let's just do this, you know. I mean 489 00:29:37,636 --> 00:29:40,396 Speaker 1: I mentioned how we know because that is so iconic 490 00:29:40,476 --> 00:29:43,516 Speaker 1: and it's just four boys walking across a zebra crossing 491 00:29:43,556 --> 00:29:47,236 Speaker 1: for Christie. Yes, people are still doing it today. They're 492 00:29:47,276 --> 00:29:51,036 Speaker 1: flying in from all around the world. Stand and stop 493 00:29:51,116 --> 00:29:54,476 Speaker 1: the traffic. You know, the joy is we made some 494 00:29:54,556 --> 00:29:57,876 Speaker 1: great music and I'm part of it and I love 495 00:29:57,956 --> 00:30:01,556 Speaker 1: that and it's still happening today. It's amazing. Did you 496 00:30:01,636 --> 00:30:04,596 Speaker 1: have you seen the Peter Jackson yet of the of 497 00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:09,076 Speaker 1: the let It piece? I've seen six hours editude. Wow, 498 00:30:09,876 --> 00:30:13,076 Speaker 1: and it's from the start and it's a band in 499 00:30:13,116 --> 00:30:15,316 Speaker 1: a room, you know what I mean. And for me, 500 00:30:15,396 --> 00:30:19,596 Speaker 1: the first two hours it's very cold because we had 501 00:30:19,676 --> 00:30:23,036 Speaker 1: twickened them in a film students too big. But you 502 00:30:23,076 --> 00:30:25,956 Speaker 1: know we're there, so we we got some of our 503 00:30:25,996 --> 00:30:29,436 Speaker 1: troubles out. So but this I've seen the six Hours 504 00:30:29,476 --> 00:30:34,796 Speaker 1: that were was the documentary, but because of lockdown, Peter 505 00:30:34,916 --> 00:30:39,476 Speaker 1: Jackson is locked in New Zealand and he has cleaned 506 00:30:39,556 --> 00:30:41,996 Speaker 1: up a few bits, so put a bit of this in. 507 00:30:42,116 --> 00:30:46,796 Speaker 1: So I haven't seen the absolute vinyl understood. But I 508 00:30:46,876 --> 00:30:50,636 Speaker 1: heard Paul at a showing of an Hour forty or 509 00:30:50,676 --> 00:30:54,876 Speaker 1: two hours forty It is holiday home with his holiday friends, 510 00:30:57,756 --> 00:31:01,396 Speaker 1: and he said it looks great, so good. When you 511 00:31:01,436 --> 00:31:05,076 Speaker 1: saw the six Hours, did it put you back in 512 00:31:05,116 --> 00:31:08,516 Speaker 1: the room or did you did you remember it differently 513 00:31:08,636 --> 00:31:11,516 Speaker 1: than you saw? Tell me about the experience of the 514 00:31:11,676 --> 00:31:14,116 Speaker 1: six Hours was great because I saw what I'd been 515 00:31:14,156 --> 00:31:18,316 Speaker 1: moaning about for the last thirty years or forty years 516 00:31:18,396 --> 00:31:21,356 Speaker 1: that there's no joy. In the first one, there's not 517 00:31:21,596 --> 00:31:24,756 Speaker 1: I didn't find one moment of joy. And when Peter 518 00:31:25,156 --> 00:31:28,036 Speaker 1: took the job, God bless him, and he'd keep coming 519 00:31:28,076 --> 00:31:30,436 Speaker 1: into La with his eye. I'd say, look what I found. 520 00:31:30,476 --> 00:31:33,636 Speaker 1: And we're laughing, we're fooling around, we're being the lads. 521 00:31:34,036 --> 00:31:36,436 Speaker 1: You know, we were musicians, we were the lads. We 522 00:31:36,516 --> 00:31:39,076 Speaker 1: had our up, three had our downs, just how it is, 523 00:31:39,476 --> 00:31:42,516 Speaker 1: and Michael sort of took the down to be the 524 00:31:42,556 --> 00:31:46,236 Speaker 1: most important thing in life. You know, God bless him. 525 00:31:46,516 --> 00:31:49,716 Speaker 1: But that's what he did. And this one shows you 526 00:31:50,116 --> 00:31:54,596 Speaker 1: there's joy, and there's discussions and you know, some arguments. 527 00:31:55,036 --> 00:31:57,756 Speaker 1: But that's what it was always like. When you talk 528 00:31:57,796 --> 00:32:01,796 Speaker 1: about discussions. I always remember years ago, early days of 529 00:32:01,836 --> 00:32:06,196 Speaker 1: the Beatles, and John came in with a song with 530 00:32:06,236 --> 00:32:08,396 Speaker 1: a record. He said, oh, I want you to play 531 00:32:08,436 --> 00:32:10,676 Speaker 1: like this, and we played it and it had two 532 00:32:10,716 --> 00:32:15,556 Speaker 1: drummers on it. I said, but it's got two Drummies said, okay, okay, 533 00:32:16,676 --> 00:32:20,116 Speaker 1: just do what you do, you know, And that's how 534 00:32:20,156 --> 00:32:23,636 Speaker 1: it was. You know, you did whatever the idea was, 535 00:32:23,756 --> 00:32:27,356 Speaker 1: you did what you could do. Because I couldn't. I 536 00:32:27,476 --> 00:32:29,916 Speaker 1: wasn't an octopus. Then I couldn't I didn't have four 537 00:32:30,076 --> 00:32:33,756 Speaker 1: on talking about Johnny Hodge one of the craziest things 538 00:32:33,756 --> 00:32:35,596 Speaker 1: he ever did and blew us all the way. It 539 00:32:35,876 --> 00:32:38,676 Speaker 1: used to be a club in Liverpool Saturday night, all 540 00:32:38,796 --> 00:32:40,836 Speaker 1: night and we'd all all the bands who've been playing 541 00:32:40,836 --> 00:32:44,356 Speaker 1: would end up there. But Johnny was playing with two 542 00:32:44,396 --> 00:32:47,676 Speaker 1: sticks in each hand. You've never known so many confused 543 00:32:47,756 --> 00:32:52,716 Speaker 1: people in your life, he said, what, Yeah, yeah, because 544 00:32:52,796 --> 00:32:56,556 Speaker 1: he was like that. Lad. All right, What was it 545 00:32:56,596 --> 00:32:59,836 Speaker 1: like when he moved from the UK to the US. 546 00:33:00,036 --> 00:33:03,516 Speaker 1: You moved to California at one point in time. Yeah, well, 547 00:33:04,036 --> 00:33:06,236 Speaker 1: when we landed in New York, there was no bigger 548 00:33:06,276 --> 00:33:10,156 Speaker 1: moment in my life than that. Where actually in America, 549 00:33:10,396 --> 00:33:14,356 Speaker 1: all the music we love is from America, and America 550 00:33:14,516 --> 00:33:19,516 Speaker 1: is big. And you know, talking about coincidences, we got 551 00:33:19,556 --> 00:33:23,956 Speaker 1: off a plane from Sweden at Heathrow. What's his face? 552 00:33:24,076 --> 00:33:26,836 Speaker 1: The guy ran it, Ed Sullivan got off a plane 553 00:33:27,756 --> 00:33:31,316 Speaker 1: from New York. Didn't know anything about it. We didn't 554 00:33:31,316 --> 00:33:34,676 Speaker 1: know him either, but and he sort of booked us. 555 00:33:34,716 --> 00:33:38,156 Speaker 1: But on the way to that show, Brian had gone 556 00:33:38,196 --> 00:33:42,076 Speaker 1: to Capitalty that he wanted more promotion, and we landed 557 00:33:42,076 --> 00:33:44,596 Speaker 1: with the number one. I mean, you can't work that out. 558 00:33:45,036 --> 00:33:47,916 Speaker 1: We landed with the number one thanks to Murray the 559 00:33:47,996 --> 00:33:51,636 Speaker 1: Kay and all those DJs amazing far out because we 560 00:33:51,716 --> 00:33:53,556 Speaker 1: were worried, you know, we were like, you must have 561 00:33:53,596 --> 00:33:57,396 Speaker 1: heard the story that George had his sister lived in America. 562 00:33:57,476 --> 00:34:00,676 Speaker 1: He went on holiday, so he'd be going around the 563 00:34:00,796 --> 00:34:05,036 Speaker 1: record stores. Have you got the beauty? Never heard of them? 564 00:34:05,156 --> 00:34:07,436 Speaker 1: You know we're on I think we're on the Swan label. 565 00:34:07,476 --> 00:34:10,796 Speaker 1: Then yes, And he came back to Oh, they don't 566 00:34:10,836 --> 00:34:12,436 Speaker 1: know us over there, because we were used to it 567 00:34:12,516 --> 00:34:16,836 Speaker 1: now Spain, Denmark, Holland wherever we played it was crowded. 568 00:34:17,596 --> 00:34:19,996 Speaker 1: So he was said, oh, they don't know us, and 569 00:34:20,076 --> 00:34:22,836 Speaker 1: we were like a bit worried. But anyway, we're going 570 00:34:22,836 --> 00:34:26,196 Speaker 1: to America, you know. And that's what we did. And 571 00:34:26,236 --> 00:34:29,596 Speaker 1: the other thing that saved our lives there we found 572 00:34:29,596 --> 00:34:32,036 Speaker 1: out from the press because you know, after and sold, 573 00:34:32,156 --> 00:34:34,196 Speaker 1: we all got on a train and went to Washington. 574 00:34:34,596 --> 00:34:36,716 Speaker 1: We were talking to the press and they said, you know, 575 00:34:37,076 --> 00:34:39,756 Speaker 1: we've all come to shit on you to shoot you 576 00:34:39,836 --> 00:34:44,076 Speaker 1: down from England. Who needs it, you know, And he said, 577 00:34:44,156 --> 00:34:47,996 Speaker 1: and you started shouting at us. Oh so we love 578 00:34:48,036 --> 00:34:52,276 Speaker 1: you because we were answering back. We're from Liverpool, from 579 00:34:52,276 --> 00:34:54,076 Speaker 1: New York and oh I what do you think about? 580 00:34:54,556 --> 00:34:56,596 Speaker 1: We were given them what they were giving us, and 581 00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:59,556 Speaker 1: they couldn't believe that because everyone was so paid deference 582 00:34:59,596 --> 00:35:02,516 Speaker 1: to them. Oh yes, it's very nice. Thank you. We're 583 00:35:02,556 --> 00:35:04,636 Speaker 1: going to take a quick break, but we'll be right 584 00:35:04,636 --> 00:35:10,756 Speaker 1: back with more from Ringo. Here's the rest of Rick 585 00:35:10,796 --> 00:35:14,716 Speaker 1: Rubin's conversation with The Ringo Star. How would you describe 586 00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:19,716 Speaker 1: the relationships within the band? Well, big relationship of course, 587 00:35:19,756 --> 00:35:23,676 Speaker 1: with all rights, John and Paul and I mean things 588 00:35:23,716 --> 00:35:26,756 Speaker 1: that went on when I joined the band. We only 589 00:35:26,756 --> 00:35:30,316 Speaker 1: ever had two rooms in hotels. We're all in the 590 00:35:30,356 --> 00:35:32,596 Speaker 1: same car. We had two rooms. We're always getting to 591 00:35:32,636 --> 00:35:35,516 Speaker 1: know each other anyway. Paul was the only one to 592 00:35:35,516 --> 00:35:43,596 Speaker 1: sleep with me because the other job. We don't know 593 00:35:43,636 --> 00:35:47,516 Speaker 1: if he falls or whatever, you know. Anyway, so together. 594 00:35:48,156 --> 00:35:53,396 Speaker 1: There's a famous story historically where when John and Yoko 595 00:35:53,796 --> 00:35:55,716 Speaker 1: kind of split up for a minute and John came 596 00:35:55,716 --> 00:35:58,956 Speaker 1: to California. Were you living in California at that time? 597 00:35:59,076 --> 00:36:01,636 Speaker 1: I was in California at that time. Yeah, did you 598 00:36:01,636 --> 00:36:03,916 Speaker 1: guys get to hang out we got to hang out 599 00:36:03,956 --> 00:36:10,916 Speaker 1: a loss and he was doing Mary Nilson's Pussycat album. 600 00:36:11,396 --> 00:36:13,516 Speaker 1: And the good and the bad thing about that was 601 00:36:13,556 --> 00:36:16,756 Speaker 1: that's where Harry lost his voice. Because we were all 602 00:36:16,756 --> 00:36:20,916 Speaker 1: living in a house in Malibu, twelve of us, and 603 00:36:22,076 --> 00:36:28,236 Speaker 1: there was a lot of mood altering situations. You know. 604 00:36:28,276 --> 00:36:30,876 Speaker 1: There were one night I go into the studio. There's 605 00:36:31,196 --> 00:36:34,076 Speaker 1: Keith Moon, Jim Calton, and I wear the drummers. But 606 00:36:34,276 --> 00:36:36,436 Speaker 1: we got around Keith and told me he should go home. 607 00:36:39,196 --> 00:36:41,516 Speaker 1: But he was living at the house, you know what 608 00:36:41,556 --> 00:36:44,956 Speaker 1: I mean. We were all just hanging out, taking whatever 609 00:36:45,756 --> 00:36:49,716 Speaker 1: and doing music and we you know, talk about Rock 610 00:36:49,756 --> 00:36:52,956 Speaker 1: around the clock. If you had his version, and Jesse 611 00:36:53,116 --> 00:36:56,716 Speaker 1: had Davis the guitar player, you know, we'd all taken 612 00:36:56,796 --> 00:37:01,276 Speaker 1: like a hitter speed at the counting and so it's 613 00:37:01,396 --> 00:37:04,396 Speaker 1: very fast if you listen. But Jesse had actually played 614 00:37:04,476 --> 00:37:09,836 Speaker 1: the solo, and we're all, wow, Jesse, yes, Davis the solo. 615 00:37:11,916 --> 00:37:15,556 Speaker 1: So a lot of old stories from the olden days. 616 00:37:16,116 --> 00:37:19,036 Speaker 1: I remember going up to the upstairs room at the Rainbow, 617 00:37:19,196 --> 00:37:21,516 Speaker 1: the Rainbow Bar and grill on Sunset, and there's some 618 00:37:21,636 --> 00:37:24,236 Speaker 1: sort of a plaque there that I think that Keith's 619 00:37:24,356 --> 00:37:27,796 Speaker 1: name your name. A few of the people who spend 620 00:37:27,796 --> 00:37:31,396 Speaker 1: a lot of time up there commemorated. Yeah, you ended up. 621 00:37:31,476 --> 00:37:33,396 Speaker 1: You know, it's like, where do you end up. You've 622 00:37:33,436 --> 00:37:36,436 Speaker 1: been here, you've done this, it's the second night, you know, 623 00:37:36,516 --> 00:37:40,996 Speaker 1: you've been up fifty hours or whatever, and you just 624 00:37:41,036 --> 00:37:43,356 Speaker 1: sort of your body would just sort of take you 625 00:37:43,436 --> 00:37:47,116 Speaker 1: up those stairs and we all, you know, because everyone 626 00:37:47,196 --> 00:37:49,796 Speaker 1: up there was pretty far gone, we'd all hang out 627 00:37:49,836 --> 00:37:53,556 Speaker 1: together and it was just a great vibe and we 628 00:37:53,596 --> 00:37:56,956 Speaker 1: could go up there and be crazy. You know. One 629 00:37:56,956 --> 00:37:59,276 Speaker 1: of the other crazy things that happened was I had 630 00:37:59,316 --> 00:38:03,996 Speaker 1: a house in la and every time let Zephlen come 631 00:38:04,116 --> 00:38:07,276 Speaker 1: bonom his mission in life was to get in a car, 632 00:38:07,436 --> 00:38:10,636 Speaker 1: come to my house, pick me up, and throw me 633 00:38:10,636 --> 00:38:16,956 Speaker 1: in the pool. And then I remember vividly one night, 634 00:38:16,996 --> 00:38:23,076 Speaker 1: I'm dressed up, I'm going out as whatever, and no, John, No, John, John, 635 00:38:23,156 --> 00:38:28,796 Speaker 1: I'm look, I'm dressed in the pool. Use we hung 636 00:38:28,836 --> 00:38:30,996 Speaker 1: out quite a bit, John and I. It was so good. 637 00:38:32,076 --> 00:38:34,876 Speaker 1: Then then we'd sort of moved to on the Rocks. 638 00:38:35,556 --> 00:38:38,196 Speaker 1: That was the next place where we hung out. Do 639 00:38:38,196 --> 00:38:40,716 Speaker 1: you remember the first time you saw John Bonham play? No, 640 00:38:41,236 --> 00:38:43,756 Speaker 1: But I remember the first time I I invited the 641 00:38:43,796 --> 00:38:46,036 Speaker 1: boys to a party in England. We were having a 642 00:38:46,116 --> 00:38:50,156 Speaker 1: party and it's actually a great day to mention this 643 00:38:50,316 --> 00:38:56,516 Speaker 1: story and let Zeppelin come. But you know, Jimmy can't come. 644 00:38:56,636 --> 00:39:02,196 Speaker 1: Jimmy doesn't come to parties anyway, Jimmy came and John 645 00:39:02,236 --> 00:39:05,116 Speaker 1: came and I had a kid of drums upstairs in 646 00:39:05,196 --> 00:39:09,556 Speaker 1: the attic was like the playroom, and John Bonham was 647 00:39:09,676 --> 00:39:13,556 Speaker 1: playing them and Jollie and I got dressed your soul, Jollie. 648 00:39:14,196 --> 00:39:16,316 Speaker 1: Jollie and I were holding the base room because it 649 00:39:16,356 --> 00:39:19,516 Speaker 1: was hopping and this leg was getting too short, so 650 00:39:19,596 --> 00:39:23,236 Speaker 1: we were holding and there's no photo of Jolly. Watch 651 00:39:23,356 --> 00:39:28,876 Speaker 1: Ringos are holding the drum the base. It was far 652 00:39:28,956 --> 00:39:33,476 Speaker 1: out amazing, So they us moments in the life. I mean, 653 00:39:33,516 --> 00:39:36,596 Speaker 1: the rest of the day was pretty regular. Yeah, there 654 00:39:36,676 --> 00:39:39,116 Speaker 1: was a there was a story that I remembered John 655 00:39:39,196 --> 00:39:42,436 Speaker 1: told on a TV interview where he said, when the 656 00:39:42,476 --> 00:39:44,796 Speaker 1: band broke up, they all knew they were going to 657 00:39:44,836 --> 00:39:47,436 Speaker 1: be okay, but they were worried about you because you 658 00:39:47,516 --> 00:39:50,196 Speaker 1: were one of the main songwriters and they were afraid, like, 659 00:39:50,236 --> 00:39:53,916 Speaker 1: what's Ringo gonna do? And then when your work came out, 660 00:39:53,996 --> 00:39:56,716 Speaker 1: your solo stuff, post Beatles was the most successful of 661 00:39:56,876 --> 00:40:00,836 Speaker 1: any post beatle right from the beginning. I know it 662 00:40:00,836 --> 00:40:03,676 Speaker 1: blew the mind, but they were all on my early records. 663 00:40:06,076 --> 00:40:07,796 Speaker 1: But yeah, I sat in the garden, what am I 664 00:40:07,796 --> 00:40:12,076 Speaker 1: gonna do? You know, I'm not a front guy, and 665 00:40:12,236 --> 00:40:16,116 Speaker 1: I thought, well, you know, as we spoke before all 666 00:40:16,276 --> 00:40:19,236 Speaker 1: family parties and we had a lot of them Saturday nights. 667 00:40:20,276 --> 00:40:23,756 Speaker 1: They like to get happy and marry my mom and 668 00:40:23,796 --> 00:40:28,276 Speaker 1: her sisters and uncles, and they'd all sing these songs, 669 00:40:28,356 --> 00:40:32,836 Speaker 1: you know, show tunes and standards. Yes, and I thought, well, 670 00:40:32,876 --> 00:40:35,076 Speaker 1: I'm going to do them. You know. That was my idea. 671 00:40:35,196 --> 00:40:38,076 Speaker 1: Called George Martinson, you know, to get me out of 672 00:40:38,076 --> 00:40:40,796 Speaker 1: the house. I was like, okay, I'm going to sing 673 00:40:40,796 --> 00:40:44,196 Speaker 1: those songs that I've listened to all my life. And 674 00:40:44,316 --> 00:40:48,636 Speaker 1: so that's how we started. Then the other record was 675 00:40:48,676 --> 00:40:53,756 Speaker 1: an accident with Pete Drake. So George is doing all 676 00:40:53,796 --> 00:40:57,596 Speaker 1: things must pass these flowing Pete and you know we're 677 00:40:57,596 --> 00:41:00,876 Speaker 1: talking about how it happens. I sent my car to 678 00:41:00,916 --> 00:41:04,236 Speaker 1: get Pete at the airport and when he came back 679 00:41:04,276 --> 00:41:06,956 Speaker 1: to Dome a horse. I see you like country music 680 00:41:07,396 --> 00:41:10,636 Speaker 1: because I had a lot of in those cassettes. And 681 00:41:10,796 --> 00:41:12,956 Speaker 1: as were the sessions went on, he said, you know, 682 00:41:12,996 --> 00:41:14,996 Speaker 1: you should come to Nashville and make a record. And 683 00:41:15,036 --> 00:41:18,796 Speaker 1: I can't go to Nashville. What three or four months 684 00:41:18,796 --> 00:41:22,316 Speaker 1: to make a record? Said what Nashville Skyline took two days? 685 00:41:24,756 --> 00:41:28,196 Speaker 1: And I said, oh okay. So anyway, I ended up 686 00:41:28,196 --> 00:41:32,236 Speaker 1: in Nashville and two days later we'd finished bookoos the Blues, 687 00:41:33,276 --> 00:41:35,996 Speaker 1: you know, and then Richard Ferry I was like, you know, 688 00:41:36,036 --> 00:41:38,716 Speaker 1: these are all side stories. Harry Neilson and I were 689 00:41:38,756 --> 00:41:42,116 Speaker 1: doing the Grammys in Nashville because we were great pals, 690 00:41:42,156 --> 00:41:46,036 Speaker 1: and Richard came and I thought, oh, Richard, because he 691 00:41:46,156 --> 00:41:50,556 Speaker 1: produced Harry Man, why don't we stay after the Grammys 692 00:41:50,556 --> 00:41:54,156 Speaker 1: and do a record? And he was the one, why 693 00:41:54,196 --> 00:41:58,156 Speaker 1: don't we go to La? Yeah? And uh and we 694 00:41:58,236 --> 00:42:02,556 Speaker 1: came to LA and who knew? John arrived, George arrived, 695 00:42:02,956 --> 00:42:04,876 Speaker 1: you know, the band were on it. I mean it 696 00:42:05,316 --> 00:42:08,316 Speaker 1: was like an all Stars record, really, yes, And that 697 00:42:08,436 --> 00:42:12,836 Speaker 1: I've kept momentum going on the road. I have all 698 00:42:12,876 --> 00:42:15,396 Speaker 1: these different plays. You have to have hits, you have 699 00:42:15,476 --> 00:42:18,796 Speaker 1: to want to have a good time, and uh, you 700 00:42:18,836 --> 00:42:21,396 Speaker 1: know thirty rg years we've had the old Stars now. 701 00:42:22,116 --> 00:42:25,876 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's how we got to the Ringo album, 702 00:42:25,916 --> 00:42:29,996 Speaker 1: which was great, Yeah, amazing. Yeah. If you look at 703 00:42:29,996 --> 00:42:33,556 Speaker 1: the players, it's like who's who? Yeah, and I bet 704 00:42:33,556 --> 00:42:35,916 Speaker 1: it was super fun make. But it was really fun 705 00:42:35,956 --> 00:42:38,436 Speaker 1: to make them as well. It was we had a 706 00:42:38,436 --> 00:42:41,076 Speaker 1: lot of fun. And the No No song was fun 707 00:42:43,716 --> 00:42:47,996 Speaker 1: because we were doing everything no no was it? Was 708 00:42:48,036 --> 00:42:50,236 Speaker 1: it true at the time or no no, no, no no, 709 00:42:50,956 --> 00:42:55,796 Speaker 1: That's what I said. Anything we were doing was no no. 710 00:42:57,956 --> 00:43:00,196 Speaker 1: Did you play on All Things Must Pass? I'm not 711 00:43:00,356 --> 00:43:03,956 Speaker 1: aware of that. Yeah, you sound sounded like George. He 712 00:43:04,076 --> 00:43:06,516 Speaker 1: called me up saying, Ringo, did you play in All 713 00:43:06,596 --> 00:43:11,716 Speaker 1: Things Must Fastna? I don't know, I don't remember. And anyway, 714 00:43:11,836 --> 00:43:14,236 Speaker 1: then when he puts the record out and the little 715 00:43:14,276 --> 00:43:17,996 Speaker 1: booklet and he said Ringo didn't even remember. He didn't 716 00:43:18,036 --> 00:43:23,676 Speaker 1: mention he didn't remember. I hadn't played. So that was 717 00:43:23,716 --> 00:43:26,756 Speaker 1: a great track, great album. It's a really good album. 718 00:43:26,996 --> 00:43:29,756 Speaker 1: And so what other what other post Beatles stuff did 719 00:43:29,796 --> 00:43:32,556 Speaker 1: you play on with the other lads? Well, they played 720 00:43:32,596 --> 00:43:35,516 Speaker 1: on mine. I played a course. The Plastic Gona band 721 00:43:36,076 --> 00:43:42,116 Speaker 1: was just incredible, just John and Klaus and I, Yeah, 722 00:43:42,116 --> 00:43:45,796 Speaker 1: and John going through final stream. So it wasn't even 723 00:43:45,796 --> 00:43:49,276 Speaker 1: in between takes. Sometimes in the take he would get 724 00:43:49,276 --> 00:43:51,596 Speaker 1: it out. You know, it's great. It's great to be 725 00:43:51,716 --> 00:43:55,516 Speaker 1: part of that one. I love that record. And because 726 00:43:55,596 --> 00:43:57,756 Speaker 1: it's three of us, you know what I mean, the 727 00:43:57,876 --> 00:44:02,956 Speaker 1: dynamics just really great. And uh I played on Leon 728 00:44:03,036 --> 00:44:08,156 Speaker 1: Russell's first album, solo album, Stephen Stills, and I played 729 00:44:08,156 --> 00:44:11,876 Speaker 1: on bb King London. You know, after my s of 730 00:44:11,996 --> 00:44:15,196 Speaker 1: six weeks after the break off, I got on my 731 00:44:15,236 --> 00:44:19,076 Speaker 1: feet and started moving and playing and doing you know, 732 00:44:19,156 --> 00:44:21,636 Speaker 1: and that's all it takes. But I did have like 733 00:44:21,756 --> 00:44:24,356 Speaker 1: a moment of sadness. What am I going to do? 734 00:44:25,036 --> 00:44:27,276 Speaker 1: And look what I'm doing now. I'm talking to you, 735 00:44:27,476 --> 00:44:33,156 Speaker 1: the great Nick Rubin. I can remember you coming to 736 00:44:33,236 --> 00:44:35,996 Speaker 1: the studio to play on a Tom Petty song. Yeah 737 00:44:36,116 --> 00:44:39,396 Speaker 1: at East West Oh the studio. Yeah. Yeah. You played 738 00:44:39,396 --> 00:44:41,676 Speaker 1: a smaller drum kit than most of the other drummers 739 00:44:41,716 --> 00:44:44,876 Speaker 1: who had played, and you seem to be working less 740 00:44:44,876 --> 00:44:48,116 Speaker 1: hard than everybody else, and the sound of tone coming 741 00:44:48,116 --> 00:44:52,116 Speaker 1: off the drums filled the room much more than anybody else, 742 00:44:52,156 --> 00:44:57,036 Speaker 1: and it was it looked like a magic trick. Yeah. 743 00:44:57,076 --> 00:44:58,956 Speaker 1: Well that's how I played. I mean, I you know, 744 00:44:58,996 --> 00:45:02,356 Speaker 1: people said, well how do well, just what I do 745 00:45:02,396 --> 00:45:05,356 Speaker 1: you know. It's the other thing about Tom was I 746 00:45:05,356 --> 00:45:08,516 Speaker 1: said I'll play on four tracks because I don't want 747 00:45:08,556 --> 00:45:10,356 Speaker 1: to live with him forever, because he was a beautiful 748 00:45:10,436 --> 00:45:13,516 Speaker 1: human being he was. I called him once. I was 749 00:45:13,556 --> 00:45:16,716 Speaker 1: making a record and I called him and he said, 750 00:45:16,756 --> 00:45:18,516 Speaker 1: I'll do it. I said, I haven't even asked you. Yes, 751 00:45:18,596 --> 00:45:21,796 Speaker 1: she said, look, I'll do it. And he came and 752 00:45:21,876 --> 00:45:25,516 Speaker 1: sang this song that somebody else had sang with me, 753 00:45:25,596 --> 00:45:28,836 Speaker 1: but the management thought it would ruin the whole career. 754 00:45:30,876 --> 00:45:32,756 Speaker 1: So Tom just came out and I was in some 755 00:45:32,876 --> 00:45:36,036 Speaker 1: of their videos. So we were hanging, you know. But 756 00:45:36,516 --> 00:45:38,636 Speaker 1: when I said, okay, I'll play him four by three, 757 00:45:38,716 --> 00:45:42,796 Speaker 1: Oh Daddy, enough as you were there, I said, and 758 00:45:43,316 --> 00:45:48,076 Speaker 1: he said, trickier than your thoughts, I won't think as 759 00:45:48,116 --> 00:45:52,356 Speaker 1: there were some like weirdness. Yeah. Absolutely, And I remember 760 00:45:52,636 --> 00:45:55,516 Speaker 1: at that point in time, we really would orchestrate how 761 00:45:55,556 --> 00:45:57,916 Speaker 1: the drums would go, and you were used to a 762 00:45:57,916 --> 00:45:59,756 Speaker 1: different style of playing where you would just kind of 763 00:45:59,836 --> 00:46:02,596 Speaker 1: groove through it and then play pills. And it was 764 00:46:02,676 --> 00:46:05,476 Speaker 1: fascinating to me the way you worked, and it really 765 00:46:05,516 --> 00:46:07,836 Speaker 1: worked out great for the stuff you played on with Tom. 766 00:46:07,956 --> 00:46:11,636 Speaker 1: Yeah good. They sent me a gold disc you know 767 00:46:11,676 --> 00:46:14,036 Speaker 1: you got a gold disc for that record. Great, he 768 00:46:14,156 --> 00:46:16,556 Speaker 1: sent me one. I was looking around, but I've just 769 00:46:16,676 --> 00:46:20,556 Speaker 1: moved around some of my stuff and I've taken that 770 00:46:20,636 --> 00:46:24,756 Speaker 1: one down. Anyway, Rick, you got one more minute? Okay, 771 00:46:24,796 --> 00:46:27,276 Speaker 1: I'm good. It's a pleasure speaking to you and seeing 772 00:46:27,316 --> 00:46:29,396 Speaker 1: you again, okay, and I look forward to doing it 773 00:46:29,436 --> 00:46:31,796 Speaker 1: again soon. I'm gonna FaceTime Paul and tell me you're 774 00:46:31,796 --> 00:46:39,196 Speaker 1: gonna push over, please do. He called me today because 775 00:46:39,236 --> 00:46:42,396 Speaker 1: he knew it, said, oh, you know you want to 776 00:46:42,436 --> 00:46:47,196 Speaker 1: know about drums and music. Okay, he's in love. He's 777 00:46:47,236 --> 00:46:52,196 Speaker 1: in love. Talk to you later, man. Thanks to Ringo 778 00:46:52,276 --> 00:46:54,236 Speaker 1: Star for talking about the good old days with you 779 00:46:54,356 --> 00:46:57,596 Speaker 1: Rink do your Ringos new ep Change the World and 780 00:46:57,676 --> 00:47:00,756 Speaker 1: all of her favorite Ringos songs. Check out Broken Record 781 00:47:00,796 --> 00:47:04,316 Speaker 1: podcast dot com. You should have subscribed to our YouTube 782 00:47:04,356 --> 00:47:07,836 Speaker 1: channel at YouTube dot com slash Broken Record Podcast. 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