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Speaker 2: My name is ty Hildebrandt. That fine gentleman over there,

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Speaker 2: tour starting up at the end of August. So, Daniel,

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Speaker 1: And you'll remember that entertainment on large screens is all

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Speaker 2: there is no Texas Division. I just made that up. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're previewing Baylor, We're previewing Texas TCU, Texas Tech, and

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Speaker 2: It is not because I think these teams are actually bad.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and seven comedy about a bunch of high

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Speaker 2: This is a story, Dan of a group of teams

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Speaker 2: They got to fix the run defense, They got to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, much like most jut Appatol movies, the premise is

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Speaker 1: the second half of jut Appatou movies. Ty, So your

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Speaker 1: it's Uh, it's gonna be fascinating. Yeah, the Texas story

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Speaker 1: To me, no, there's nothing like if you have a

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Speaker 2: You'll recall Baylor in a much much different place now

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Speaker 2: He took it upon himself to find creative ways to

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Speaker 1: So who are the main characters within Baylor? What is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a team that was led by its

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Speaker 1: It's the TCO game from last year. It's the figuring

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Speaker 2: At the top especially, there are decent buffers, which I

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want you to what's scene is next? Let's

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Speaker 2: Let's talk Texas Tech, all right. Texas Tech is a

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Speaker 2: for like two wins, at least two wins. I'm not

434
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 2: saying they're going eight and four, but I don't think

435
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: they're going four and eight. Like, I think this is

436
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: a team that will play hard. And if you catch

437
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: teams playing hard at weird spots in their schedules, will

438
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: you will pick some wins off the back of that truck.

439
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: But that being said, I kind of don't know what

440
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: to expect here. Tyler Schuck is back and supposedly healthy

441
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: at quarterback. Should they play him or should they play

442
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: Donovan's Smith, who I liked a lot last year, finished strong. Yeah,

443
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: he finished really strong last year. They seem to feel

444
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: pretty confident about their quarterback options. I guess that's a

445
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 2: good thing. I guess that's the only thing you can

446
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: say when you have to talk about your quarterback options

447
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: and your new in town. We like our chances here. Okay,

448
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: we'll see yeah, Sir, Roderick Thompson is the name at

449
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: running back. We're familiar with him, he's been there for

450
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 2: a while. I think we'll also see TODJ. Brooks at

451
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: running back. That tandem is not bad to have in

452
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: your backfield. They will find ways to use that. But

453
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 2: Zach Kittley does not necessarily run a running game. He's

454
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 2: a guy who likes.

455
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: To air it out.

456
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: The ability of Tyler Schuck or Donovan Smith to air

457
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: it out to a young wide receiving corps. Most of

458
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: them have experience, but it's still a pretty young wide

459
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: receiving corps. That tandem I think will determine a great

460
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: deal of success for Texas Tech this coming season. It

461
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 2: is a relatively new offensive line, so hopefully it's system

462
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 2: predicated on getting.

463
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: The ball out quickly. Which it is, Yeah, which it is?

464
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 2: Which it is? Defense scares me. Defense for Texas Tech

465
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: last season I thought took a step forward. I remember

466
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 2: having discussions with you about how Texas Tech in spots

467
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: felt like they took a step forward. It is very

468
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: much the case on defense, as it is an offense

469
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 2: where there are pieces, individual pieces that I like, but

470
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: I haven't nearly a clue as to what they're going

471
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: to look like when they play as a team. I

472
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 2: believe they'll play hard. Will they be better than they

473
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: were a year ago? Anyone's guess. Anyone's freaking guess. So

474
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: this is why I come back to the fake ID. Okay,

475
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: they are a total wildcard. There are a total wild

476
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: card in the plot line for this Texas Division, if

477
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: you want to call it that of the Big Twelve.

478
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we'll see how good Tim de Ruter is.

479
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: We already believe him. He's the new DC right that. Yeah,

480
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: if he is as good as his general reputation, we'll

481
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: have a pass rush of some kind. Because last year

482
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: I look this up while you were speaking. I was

483
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: curious because I did not remember a lot from this defense.

484
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: One of the absolute worst pass rushes in the nation,

485
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: one of the absolute worst. Now, the Big Twelve is

486
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: a conference without a lot of destroyers at quarterback and

487
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: proven guys in this league, because you look at Dylan Gabriel,

488
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: Spencer Sanders should be pretty good. But with the quarterback

489
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: situations at West Virginia, new guy, good guy, new guy

490
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: Texas good guy, new guy, that this would be a

491
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: it would be a wonderful year, as I'm sure Texas

492
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: Tech fans would love to agree with for the Red

493
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: Raiders to develop a pass rush, because this team can

494
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: play hard, it can be fun, it can be the

495
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: fake id, there can be hijinks, they can upset somebody.

496
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: But I'm not taking them seriously unless they're getting to

497
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: the quarterback a little bit, unless they're changing and changing

498
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: offenses and changing field position a little more often than

499
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: they did last year, because otherwise they're just going to

500
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: be a you know, an up and down six and six.

501
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: They're not going to be a true team we're talking about.

502
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, they bring back a lot up front, so maybe

503
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: the pass rush will be better. Yeah, gets a little

504
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: bit dice here as you move back in the defense.

505
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: But I think the point holds with Texas Tech that

506
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 2: there's a lot of potential here. And for sure, there

507
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: were strides last season on the defensive side of the

508
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: ball that hopefully they can build on. But I think

509
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: ultimately the story here for Tech. If you're looking for

510
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: a water cooler high like thirty thousand foot view high

511
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: thing to take away, it's the offense should be a

512
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: lot of fun if they can get the pieces organized

513
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: and get the players out there and healthy and defensively,

514
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: you just it's a wing and a prayer and hope

515
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: that they can get better in the trenches with that

516
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: pass rush and they can provide a little bit more

517
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: cover for the offense.

518
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: This schedule is terrible. It's you talk about the schedule

519
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: and terms of when they get other teams that there's

520
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: like this creeping snake in the toilet identity to Texas

521
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 1: Tech fall. Now hear me out, I think that's all correct.

522
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: I think you are nailing that observation. But here's the

523
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: other side of that coin. If those teams that they

524
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: are supposedly going to sneak up on have their act

525
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: together and take Texas Tech seriously enough, this is who

526
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: Tech has in a row, Houston at NC State, Texas

527
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: at Kansas State, at Oklahoma State, and then whatever you

528
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: consider West Virginia to be, and then it's Baylor. So

529
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: the first two thirds of their schedule pretty brutal, and

530
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: they finish at Iowa State and Oklahoma. So if teams

531
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: take Texas Tech appropriately serious, Texas Tech is going to

532
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: get fried some weeks they just are.

533
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: It could happen. Look, it could happen.

534
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: I think again, you're totally right about the circumstantial advantages

535
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: of Texas Tech schedule. But if those teams are well coached,

536
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: they're going to lose like they did to Oklahoma State

537
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: at some point. Yeah they did last year. Yeah, I

538
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: think it was about a thirty to nothing, twenty three

539
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: to nothing something like that. That's that's the concern with

540
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: that kind of bundling.

541
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: I am fascinated by Texas Tech. Yeah, I'm fasbsolutely, and

542
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: you can make a case four or against them across

543
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: the board, which is why they're the wild card.

544
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: Dan.

545
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: They are the true wild card of this conference. This

546
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 2: here Texas Tech.

547
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: They seem like a program that when we are talking

548
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: at some point on like a mailbag show next May,

549
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: we're going to say something like, yes, but they lost

550
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: five of those by a combined eleven points, right that

551
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: we're going to make a case for Texas Tech being

552
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: frisky because they lost so many close games, rather than wait,

553
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: how did Texas Tech win nine games and they're in,

554
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, Joey Maguire's first year. I think that's where

555
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: we're heading. That when teams play hard like that but

556
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: don't have the talent, don't have the pass rush that

557
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna go five and seven, six and six, but

558
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: lose a bunch of close ones that we'll try to

559
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: talk ourselves into being meaningful close losses next summer.

560
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. Look if they're the wild card, if

561
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: they're the fake ID. I think Iowa State is mcleven. Okay,

562
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: I think Iowa State is mcloven. That's their character comp here.

563
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: I can't stress enough that when I saw super Bad,

564
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: Christopher Minsplas was in the theater because he went to

565
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: high school five minutes from me, and he was just

566
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: hanging out with his friends as an unknown actor because

567
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: that's what he was before super Bad, And every single

568
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: time he came on the screen, a bunch of other

569
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: sixteen and seventeen year olds in the theater went, Oh

570
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: my God, because why wouldn't you freak out if one

571
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: of your buddies is mclove. Who's the best? Shout out

572
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: to the amc Woodland hills continue.

573
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: Throughout super Bad. Mcgleven was sort of the same character

574
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: from start to finish, and certainly had heights at the

575
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: end of that movie. But was always just sort of

576
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: of like there didn't have the wild character swings that

577
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: you saw out of you know, the Seth character or

578
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: some of the other even the Michael Sarah character. From

579
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: time to time, he blew up a cop car, he

580
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: brought up a cop car. He had adventures continue, He

581
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: had adventures. Yeah, and I think iowill state well this

582
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: year as well. The adventure for them starts by the

583
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: fact that they've got a pretty big step back in

584
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: losing the nucleus of their team. They're losing Brock Purty,

585
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: Bryce Hall, Chas Cohler, Charlie Koher, Chase Allen, two big

586
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: tight ends, and Mike Rose on defense that was the

587
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: nucleus of this team under Matt Campbell. They are down

588
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: seven regulars in total on offense. So this is a

589
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: team that remember where they were a year ago. They

590
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: returned nineteen of twenty two starters and won seven games.

591
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: This year they're down a whole lot more.

592
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: This is a team last year that I think under

593
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: a chief as it relates to expectations because of how

594
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: many upperclassmen and experienced guys they had last year. Sure,

595
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: yeah they lost close games, but they were very good.

596
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: Lost five games by one score. Yeah, so there was

597
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: room for improvement here on the Iowa State side. The

598
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 2: story for them this year will be that turnover. How

599
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: are you going to replace that core of your team?

600
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: They feel okay about it, But the coaches always feel

601
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: okay about it, right, That's just something they say. Brock

602
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: Purdy being replaced by Hunter Deckers the Big South, Paul

603
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: will see what they got there. The one that I

604
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: am most concerned about, though, is the loss of Bresee Hall.

605
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: And we talked about this on a podcast many moons ago.

606
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: But you just don't replace that level of production. He

607
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: had fifty touchdowns and almost four thousand yards in his

608
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: time at Iowa State. Oh, by the way, eight hundred touches.

609
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: He had eight hundred touches in three seasons. That was

610
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: the most by a wide margin in all of FBS

611
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: college football. Place a guy like a Breis Hall with

612
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: what appears to be a running back by committee situation

613
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: for talented guys. Yeah, many of whose name I can't say.

614
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: I will watch these cartedus. Norton's one of them. Okay,

615
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: great name, but you just don't replace a guy like

616
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: Breese Hall, even if it's with four guys like it's

617
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: gonna take a while until you can get back to

618
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: some relative stability at that running back position. So whoever

619
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: those characters are as they emerge, that will be an

620
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: interesting plot for Iowa State in twenty twenty two. They're

621
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: good at wide receivers. Xavier Hutchinson came back for a

622
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: super senior year, which I think will bode well for

623
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: Hunter Deckers and that offense. But it hurts that you

624
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: lose both Chas Cohler and Chase Allen out wide, the

625
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: big guys, big guys that you're losing a tight end.

626
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: So you now enough experience up front. Their line should

627
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: be decent, but so much turnover on offense. I find

628
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: it hard to believe that there isn't a step back

629
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: you're coming from Iowa State on offense.

630
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: I wonder. I wonder because their offensive system was so

631
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: predicated on running the ball in Breese Hall was great

632
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: and controlling the clock, letting their defense win, not nickel

633
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: and diming, but they didn't really have huge downfield weapons.

634
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: The tight ends are very good, but they haven't had

635
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: that like electric receiver in a little bit of time,

636
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: and so I wonder if Hunter Deckers is merely cautious

637
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: enough and accurate enough, which that wasn't necessarily last year.

638
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: He wasn't because brock Party kind of got pseudo benched

639
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: at times. But Hunter Deckers wasn't the obvious air apparent

640
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: even though I physically talented. Obviously, I wonder if Iowa

641
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: State is running its own sort of system that it's

642
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: it's not the drop off because brock Party was so

643
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: amazing because he you know, he's at times took off

644
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: as much as he put on to the table or

645
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: brought to the table, that there is something, that there's

646
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: something plus playable about the kind of football and that

647
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: it's not to be like mister six star culture here.

648
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: But if Matt Campbell is who everybody believes him to be,

649
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: then it's a next man up thing. Because brock Perty

650
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: was he mister irrelevant? Was he the final pick the

651
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: NFL Draft? Yeah, so fair to say not probably headed

652
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: towards NFL stardom as the final pick in the draft.

653
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: And Brice Hall running back is a position that's generally

654
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: the most easily replaced. Now, I don't know if they're

655
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: going to replace one hundred percent of his production and

656
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: they're going to be one hundred percent as efficient, but

657
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. System seems to be in place, Assistants

658
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: seem to be in place, and it's just it's a

659
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: well oiled, well run machine that if they're winning those

660
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: tight toss up type games, which the universe generally evens

661
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: out with well coached teams, I think they'll be fine.

662
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: I really truly do. The recruiting has been pretty good

663
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: in Ames. I'm not worried about a drop off with

664
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: iowas ST because of Rock Party. I'm just not. Yeah,

665
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: you want to talk about wild Card and the the

666
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: fake ID that's Brock Party.

667
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: This is a team that has I think enough experience

668
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: upfront on offense. They move guys around a while last year, right,

669
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: so yeah, it's gonna take a little bit to settle in,

670
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: but they've got enough experience up front on offense that

671
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: that should put them in a pretty good spot generally,

672
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: even though they've got turnover elsewhere, Like they'll they'll be

673
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: okay up front. I think the offense will be okay,

674
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: but it will take a bit to figure out what

675
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: their identity is as we move forward into the season.

676
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: And defensively, it's a lot of the same deal like

677
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: They bring back Will McDonald who was like first team

678
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: All Big Twelve, led the Big Twelve with fourteen sacks

679
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: last season, but they lose Mike Rose, who was their

680
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: big time linebacker, kind of the heart of that defense.

681
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: And there are other guys that they bring in, like

682
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: Colby Reider. He's a guy he transfers over from Delaware,

683
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: a blue hen. I think Matt Campbell used the phrasing

684
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: that he's got a little bit of Mike Rose in him.

685
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: So like they are guys that they can plug and play.

686
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: It's not like the cabinet is totally bare, but it's

687
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: just this age old question of what happens when you

688
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: replace the nucleus of your team, even the secondary, Like

689
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: they lost a lot of guys to the portal, So

690
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: it's really an open question on defense and offense alike,

691
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: as for replacing that nucleus and what it looks like.

692
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 2: The schedule, for what it's worth, I think it's every

693
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: bit as tough as just about any other schedule in

694
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve. But what Iowa State has going for

695
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 2: him is it's spaced out pretty well. It's not like

696
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: there's a murderer's row. It sort of works their advantage

697
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: in that they're not going to go out of the

698
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: shoot and just have to play team after team after

699
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: team that could potentially beat him. They do have a

700
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: tough game on the road week two at Iowa, which

701
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: I think would be pretty but you know, it's got

702
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: good buffers here where they'll have an opportunity to set

703
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: figure out who they are, regroup, and then go back

704
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: out there week in and week out and hopefully put

705
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: together a better season than seven and six.

706
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: I quietly really like this schedule, to be honest with you.

707
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: I mean, they play all the teams, right, they play

708
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: all the teams that everybody else plays in the Big Twelve.

709
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 2: They got on the road, they got to play Texas,

710
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: they got to go on the road, they got to

711
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 2: play Oklahoma State later in the year. But beyond that,

712
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: they're home against Oklahoma, which is a good spot to be.

713
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: They are home against Baylor, defending conference champion earlier in

714
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: the year, which I think is a pretty good place

715
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: to be. They do have that Iowa game week two,

716
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: which I think will tell us a lot about what

717
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: this team is. But all things considered, yeah, you could

718
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: do Kansas State's at home. You could do a lot

719
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: worse from a home away split standpoint.

720
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: I yeah, I think they're fifty to fifty games. If

721
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: they're going to get to eight wins, their fifty games

722
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: are largely at home, which is incredible, right the game

723
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: that they have at home that if they are nearing

724
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: their potential as probably an eightish win team, they're at home.

725
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: I don't think about the Iowa game at all. Iowa

726
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: beats Iowa State. I hope it's not the case, but

727
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: that's just sort of what happens. That's just the way

728
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: the universe has sort of crumbled that cookie. Otherwise, Yeah,

729
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: with the new quarterbacks, the new coaches, the home road splits,

730
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: I think this is as good as as State could

731
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: hope for. So I'm great with it.

732
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: Will they blow up the cop car remains to be seen.

733
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: Very true whatever that analogy has to do with the Cyclones.

734
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 2: Sure, final team TCU. TCU is getting back on its feet,

735
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: but they still kind of feel the same, don't they sure?

736
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean, look with where they finished last year on

737
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: defense and Gary Patterson getting to the point that, guys,

738
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: I just don't it's not no near the end of

739
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: the year that there is something that is both familiar

740
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: and new about where TCU is right now that there

741
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: there were so many resets or advertised resets with TCU.

742
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: We're changing things on offense, we're getting back to basics

743
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: at TCU or hiring this old Like a reset at TCU,

744
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: even with a new coach or an old coach, feels

745
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: pretty familiar because.

746
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: It feels familiar, because it feels stable, despite the fact

747
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 2: there is instability there. They're Evan, They're Michael Sarah. Okay,

748
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 2: I'm super bad. You talk about the change on defense.

749
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: Athlon in their preview compared TCU's new defense to Aladdin's

750
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: a Whole New World. It was shoehorned in just sort

751
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: of like this concept is frankly okay. But the larger

752
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: point was that they are switching from a three three

753
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: five scheme or two a three three five scheme.

754
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, from the four two five.

755
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: From the Gary Patterson four two five. This is a

756
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: defense that gave up the most big plays of anyone

757
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 2: in the Big twelve. The run defense was very bad.

758
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: They have good speed on defense, for whatever that's worth,

759
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: and they've got guys that are back, so it's like

760
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: a catch twenty two. We bring guys back. We like

761
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: our speed. But the system is new. Gave up a

762
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: ton of big plays last season, and nobody's really sure

763
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: if that's going to help or hurt moving forward. But

764
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: the defense is new, They're trying something different. There is

765
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: a bit of a reset on that side of the ball.

766
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: On the offensive side of the ball, there's a lot

767
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: of uncertainty about what this is going to look like

768
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,959
Speaker 2: or if this is going to work. So Sonny Dikes

769
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: is a new coach. Sonny Dikes is a guy who

770
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: I think his offense precedes him. You know what he

771
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: did at Louisiana Tech and at CAL and at SMU

772
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: pretty much along the way. At each stop, he's done

773
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: a good job developing quarterbacks. And he was at TCU before.

774
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: He's familiar with this place. He was there as an

775
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: analyst under Barry Patterson. True to for him, he felt

776
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: like this team was behind from a strength and conditioning standpoint.

777
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: He arrived right what was the old strength team doing?

778
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: Like we need to get better at this around here

779
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: exactly exactly so that true to form, Every new coach

780
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: says it, but this guy was quoted as saying it

781
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: to one of these publications. I forget who he feels

782
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: like this team is further along in its development than

783
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: his other stops. I believe it was Sunny Dyke's who

784
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: made some reference to the fact that it takes fifteen

785
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 2: months at any new locale to get your feet wet,

786
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: to get in there, to get buy in for your system,

787
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: and then start moving the program forward. He feels like

788
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: they were further along, for whatever that's worth. What I

789
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: want to know is who's playing quarterback. I want to

790
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: know if it's Max Duggan, a name you and I

791
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: are very familiar with because he's been there forever, or

792
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: if it's Chandler Morris. Chandler Morris sort of the flash

793
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: of the Pan had five hundred and thirty one yards

794
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: last year against Bosett Baylor. Who are they going to

795
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: pick in the revivalry?

796
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, who are they going to pick there?

797
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. They don't either. They haven't said much.

798
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: At this point.

799
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: We're recording this in mid July.

800
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: We don't know who the quarterback is, but at this

801
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: juncture they don't either. Kendre Miller, they're running back, is solid.

802
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: He's good. He's really good.

803
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, So hopefully that's a guy they can lean on

804
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: Quintin Johnston out wide, big six four two twelve wide out.

805
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: He's a projected first round pick.

806
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: I would say, arguably the most physically talented receiver in

807
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: the country. Not necessarily fully finished, but in terms of

808
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: the physical abilities there is. He's a dude. There's a

809
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: lot to love there. Yeah, he's a dude.

810
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: They've got probably Tay Barber or Darius Davis in the slot.

811
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: They got to figure out their second wide receiver option.

812
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: But this is a versatile line in front of that offense.

813
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: It's somewhat experienced. It's not fully set at this point.

814
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: But I think the theme here for TCU is with

815
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: it being sunny Diykes, They're going to figure out how

816
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: to play offense. This will not be a scenario that

817
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: we've seen the last couple of years running now where

818
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: TCU kind of low key stinks. Low key yeah, on offense,

819
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be kind.

820
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, you're right. The quarterback recruiting, basically

821
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: since Kenny Hill recruiting and development has been pretty woeful.

822
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: The numbers, by the way, the efficiency numbers that we

823
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: like to look at on the TCU side, will not

824
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: necessarily point to an offense that stinks. Numbers were okay

825
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: generally speaking, I have yet to meet a TCU fan

826
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 2: who is crazy about their offense the last couple of years.

827
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 2: Too much inconsistency from week to week to really leave

828
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: you feeling stable about that set of circumstances part of

829
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: the reason why they moved on here.

830
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: And but look, if you're going to move on, a

831
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: good option would be to hire a coach who gets consistently,

832
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: very very good results out of quarterbacks. Yeah, and this

833
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: guy to die for that. And I think TCU could

834
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: be an interesting transfer destination from perhaps Power five guys

835
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: who are coming down with a lot of physical talent

836
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: ORG five guys who are coming up. You know, you

837
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: go to a big, big city in the DFW area,

838
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a really interesting destination for a team

839
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: with aspirations of a high ceiling. I'm with you, super

840
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: Bad Dan, super Bad Michael Sarah will not be held

841
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: back by his deadbeat friends any longer.

842
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: He's aspiring for greater things. He's aspiring for more stability,

843
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: but he's still trying to figure out who he is.

844
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, deciding not to room with Gary Patterson any longer.

845
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: There's something there. Yeah, I TCU is one of those

846
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: by low candidates that makes a good deal of sense

847
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: given where the conference seems to be going sooner rather

848
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: than later, and where their location is and the commitment

849
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: to football I long term. I'm in on TCU short term,

850
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: Max Duggan, Chandler Morris. You know Zach Evans leaves like

851
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: the defense. The thing that you didn't mention in great detail.

852
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: You mentioned this which the three three five. It's Joe

853
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: Gillespie who's had a ton of success and a lot

854
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: of success. Tuls has been up and down, and it's

855
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: the big thing is if this is a high flying offense,

856
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: what can the defense do to get off the field

857
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: quickly and confusing teams, takeaways whatever. I really like to

858
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: hire a good deal because Tulsa's defense has been extremely

859
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: fun to watch in shutting down some of those bigger

860
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: offenses in the AAC. So I'm great with that.

861
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: Higher yet not to mention that Tulsa's defense in terms

862
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: of the sp plus, which you and I go by,

863
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: Tulsa's defense was like sixty spots better than TCU's in

864
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: the sp plus. Last year, TCU's defense was one hundred

865
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: and ninth some sort of crazy number that you would

866
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 2: never expect Fromcgary Patterson defense. So if they can improve

867
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: on that side of the ball, give the offense a

868
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 2: little bit more air cover, that'd be helpful. I feel

869
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: very optimistic about TCU as well longer term. What I

870
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: like about TCU this year is that the schedule gives

871
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: them a chance to get their feet wet in September

872
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: before going into October when they're home against Oklahoma home

873
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: against Oklahoma State. It toughens up the deeper you get

874
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: into this thing. But I like any situation in which

875
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: you've got a new coach who has an opportunity kind

876
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: of like a soft landing in September to find his

877
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: way through it, figure out what the team is supposed

878
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: to be before they're going in and doing battle against

879
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: better competition.

880
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean a coach leaving a school for its semi rival.

881
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: I know TCU's probably real arrival is Baylor, just in

882
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: modern times, but man, you get that skillet game was

883
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: that week two, week three, somewhere in there against SMU

884
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: on the road. That's it's been like a very low

885
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: key theme of to talk about movies and themes. Didn't

886
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: Texas techs basketball coach just go to Texas. Yeah, wasn't

887
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: that the Chris Beard? Isn't that the move? Yeah? So

888
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: SMU's coach in like this in the Skillet game going

889
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: to TCU. I love the fire. No, no skillet pun intended,

890
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: but I like it.

891
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: TCU against SMU, that's all on the road at SMU

892
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: Week four TCU, by the way, just to put a

893
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: bow on this, their September schedule is home against Colorado,

894
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: home against Tarleton State, a bye week, and then that

895
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: Skillett game on the road at SMU. So you can

896
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: do a lot for Oklahoma before Oklahoma. Yeah, before it

897
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: gets a lot tougher as you go through the month

898
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: of October. For what it's worth, November is kind of

899
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: brutal to Texas Tech at home at Baylor at Texas

900
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: on consecutive weeks, and then they close out the year

901
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: with Iowa State.

902
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest here, I don't see a lot

903
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: of reason to watch TCU this year. I think it's

904
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: very much going to be a reboot year where they'll

905
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: win some, but too much is new, too much is

906
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: starting over that to expect consistency, I think it's probably

907
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: a little bit too much to ask, so's it's a

908
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: tough job selling me in a way that a trailer

909
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: needs to do. On TCU. It's just just difficult this

910
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: year on the air, on the future, on the long

911
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: term prognosis. Sure, it's tough for twenty twenty two.

912
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: I think it's tough for twenty twenty two. I think

913
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: bigger picture, I feel optimistic about it. But just if

914
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 2: you zoom out again thirty thousand foot view. As somebody

915
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: who watched TCU very very carefully over the last decade

916
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: and always gave tried to give TCU the benefit of

917
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 2: the doubt, the big question I now have for this

918
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: team is can we get past that inconsistency at the

919
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: end of the Gary Patterson era, Like that frustration that

920
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: must be welling up inside of you as a TCU fan,

921
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: knowing that this team should be better than it is

922
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: every year. Can they get past that? It may not

923
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: happen this year? The question is can it happen at all?

924
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: With Sunny Dykes.

925
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: He's done a lot on offense, he has made teams better,

926
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: He's definitely developed quarterbacks, but is he the full package?

927
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: I don't know.

928
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: So before we get into Conference USA. Who has the

929
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: best record of these teams? And who is winning the

930
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: Big Twelve? To you, now that you've heard my teams

931
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: and we've gone over your teams, you've gone over the

932
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: ten Big twelve teams, Let's put a ball on this.

933
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: Who is your Big twelve champion? And who is the

934
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: class of your grouping? The class of my grouping is

935
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: still probably Baylor. Okay, I think Texas will be a

936
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: close second. But if I'm picking, I still pick Baylor

937
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: because I believe more in Dave Randa than anyone else.

938
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: Who's your overall champion?

939
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: Overall champion is probably Oklahoma, oh Man, Okay, probably Oklahoma,

940
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: but I am very much hedging there, if only because

941
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: I believe the Big Twelve is totally the wild world West.

942
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 2: This year could go a thousand different directions. It's part

943
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: of why I think it may be the most interesting conference.

944
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: I've got Oklahoma State winning at all. I got the Pokes. Yeah.

945
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: I love Kansas State and what they are able to do.

946
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: But across the board, I understand all of Spencer Sanders

947
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: limitations in having occasional complete brain fart games where he

948
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: throws seventy three interceptions, but in a conference with so

949
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: little continuity. Yeah, head coach who generally wins a ton

950
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: of games in Mike Gundy, quarterback experience and high ceiling

951
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: when things are going well, there's the big asterisk. A

952
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: defense that loses a ton but still has pieces and

953
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: replaces a very good defensive coordinator with another good defensive coordinator,

954
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: A difficult place to play, a weird place to play.

955
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: I'm going with the ceiling of Oklahoma State, who was

956
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: right there last year. Now granted an amazing defense that's

957
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: going to take somewhat of a step back. I'm going

958
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: quarterback and defense, and the team that inspires that the

959
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: most out of me is the Pokes.

960
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: I just don't trust Spencer Sanders. You know that. I understand,

961
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: never will I'll never be able to do it.

962
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: I think that's totally fair. But that's the team that

963
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: gets closest to my rubric for Championship football.

964
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 2: Rubric for Championship football than Openstein. Yeah. Yeah, let's talk

965
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: about teams from the other side of Conference USA Dan.

966
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: Yes, that we did not talk about last time. So

967
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: the class, speaking of classes of groupings, UTSA clearly the

968
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: top of this group of teams. That's UTSA UTEP, North Texas, Louisiana, Tech, Rice,

969
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: and FIU. I'm going to start at the top. Frank

970
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: Harris is back, which is a great thing. The quarterback

971
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: is returning. Big Frank returning leading rusher because Sincere McCormick

972
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: is gone off to the next level. But yeah, this

973
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: was a very good team. They didn't put up extraordinary

974
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: stats last year, but they just won games. They stopped

975
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: the run, the pass rush was decent, and Frank Harris

976
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: did a lot on that offense. This year's schedule is

977
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: fascinating because they opened with Houston Army and at Texas.

978
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, you know how I feel about the road Runners.

979
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: They also in this offseason became a low key Power

980
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: five transfer destination. They've got transfers in from LSU and

981
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: C State, Arkansas, Northwestern Colorado, and West Virginia. Treil On Smith,

982
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: the running back from Arkansas, is the headliner probably right there.

983
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: And so yeah, UTSA is the class They're worth watching again,

984
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: probably not going I think they went twelve to two

985
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: last year, probably not getting to that number. But nonetheless,

986
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: I like me some Alamodome road Runners. UTEP Jacob cowing

987
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: Gon transfers to Arizona. Just they seem fine. I mean, look,

988
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: they were a disaster anything above disaster. Fore UTEP is

989
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: an amazing success story, and so they return quarterback. They

990
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: have Oklahoma on the road. They host Boise in El Pasa,

991
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. They were a big play offense

992
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: team last year, and so hopefully without Jacob Cowing Cohen Cowing,

993
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: I think that will continue. Gavin Hardison still there, so yeah,

994
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that UTEP is that continued wonderful story. Next,

995
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: I have North Texas. I don't have a lot to

996
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: say about them. The quarterbacks twenty used to be a

997
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: minor leaguer in the Yankees system, so there's that. But yeah,

998
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: the defense was ahead of the offense last year. The

999
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: non conference part of their schedule is fine. I just

1000
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. New North Texas sort of seems like

1001
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: a team that's gonna get lost in the shuffle and

1002
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: they'll be okay. Louisiana Tech new coach Sonny Comby, speaking

1003
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: of TCU, Skip Holt's gone. They have Missouri and Clemson

1004
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: on the road. Early on. They're at utsa great not great.

1005
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: The defense is going to take some time. It was

1006
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: a nightmare last year, So they're going to take a minute.

1007
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: Rice was quietly interesting. They were, I don't know, they

1008
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: were within a few breezes of a bowl game. Perhaps

1009
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: Luke McCaffrey's a receiver there now, if that's any sort

1010
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: of indictment on Nebraska's quarterback evaluation and development. But yeah, Mike,

1011
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: Mike Bloomgren, I think he's one of those guys that's

1012
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: a good enough coach that will keep teams in games,

1013
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: maybe win games they shouldn't, and not just collapse against

1014
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: a terrible team. I don't know how to say good

1015
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: things about it, Like they they were just situationally so

1016
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: bad on third down. They could not stay on the

1017
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: field on offense, and they could not get off the

1018
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: field on defense. So if they improve either one of

1019
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: those things, I think we could be talking about Rice

1020
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: as like a weird, not great team but somehow eked

1021
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: its way to six games. That's the nicest thing I

1022
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: can say, because Rice does not have a bowl history

1023
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: at all. No, And finally, I mean FIU's awful. FIU

1024
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: is full on awful, but they higher Mike McIntyre who

1025
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: has experienced turning around full on awful situations, which is

1026
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: where San Jose State was before he took over. If

1027
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: you remember David Fails still an unfortunate last.

1028
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: Name, unfortunate name.

1029
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know if I use got a

1030
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: good receiver. They lost a ton though in the portal.

1031
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: And there's not a ton great to say, like David Yost,

1032
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: who's been everybody's offensive coordinator, whether they've liked it or not,

1033
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: is the new offensive coordinator at FIU, good head of hair.

1034
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: There's just not a ton you can say that's all

1035
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: that positive about the situation that FIU finds itself in

1036
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: in South Florida, in Miami in football. And so I

1037
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: don't know, Butch Davis couldn't get it done for all

1038
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 1: that long. I don't know. You know, if Mike McIntyre

1039
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: gets this team back to a bowl, he's probably gone.

1040
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, there we could be talking about two and ten,

1041
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: three and nine FIU this year.

1042
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

1043
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So Conference USA is in a tough spot.

1044
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: Man.

1045
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: They're they're getting gutted, they're emotional, they're we have to

1046
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: go back. That's what they need. They need UTSA to

1047
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: go back to the glory of last year. You tep

1048
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: to go back and FIU somehow to go back to

1049
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: being more pesky than they are. North Texas needs to

1050
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: get back. Conference USA needs to go back to a

1051
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: better point than where they were, you know, earlier, this year,

1052
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: last year. It's of interesting teams in the conference, but

1053
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: some of them aren't staying for long. I don't know

1054
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: that's worth watching UTSA for sure.

1055
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 2: Who's winning Conference USA? Do you have a hot take

1056
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 2: on that? I think I said UAB last week?

1057
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, in their final season UAB. Yeah, because they're off

1058
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: to the America next year. Yeah yeah, yeah.

1059
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,719
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1060
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,239
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1061
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,080
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1062
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,800
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1063
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1064
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1065
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1066
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