Speaker 1: And now watching my mic back like.
Speaker 2: That strikes from head borders behind him and.
Speaker 1: Those of you just tuned into Sipsach Crime host Ramsey's jaw.
Speaker 3: He is Ramses, Joe and I am still mentally exhausted, sorry,
Speaker 3: emotionally text and you know q Ward for those who care,
Speaker 3: whose voice this is man to segue from our lives
Speaker 3: into our topics for our show is a really heavy lift, man,
Speaker 3: sure right, even starting on a lighter note, you know,
Speaker 3: Ramses and I have conversations about our show and about
Speaker 3: what we need to do before we started, and just
Speaker 3: transitioning from saying hello to you guys to what we
Speaker 3: have to talk to you about.
Speaker 1: It's a lot, man, It's a lot, and we are
Speaker 1: definitely going to keep talking about it, so stay tuned.
Speaker 1: We got more to come from our digest version of
Speaker 1: the Nashville shooting and so much more. But first and foremost,
Speaker 1: let's talk about becoming a better ally BABA. So today's
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Speaker 1: to do a little bit of reading from truthout dot org.
Speaker 1: Today We're going to give a shout out to somebody
Speaker 1: who's playing for the home team here. Arizona Governor Katie
Speaker 1: Hobbs recently vetoed a Republican backed education bill that would
Speaker 1: ban public K through twelve schools from teaching critical race
Speaker 1: theory to students. Republicans have tried three times so far.
Speaker 1: In other words, she is not allowing the schools in
Speaker 1: Arizona to have books taken off of their shelves just
Speaker 1: because the authors are black, or just because it highlights
Speaker 1: the accomplishments, the achievements or the history of black, brown,
Speaker 1: marginalized people's in this country. That is an ally and
Speaker 1: that is how you use your power to stand in
Speaker 1: allyship with people who might need your support. So definitely
Speaker 1: shouting her out for that. And for those that don't know,
Speaker 1: CRT is a legal academic discipline that began in the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties and it's a advanced college level study. It's
Speaker 1: not elementary school stuff. That's called American history.
Speaker 3: But they're using that as code branding. Exactly, that's what
Speaker 3: courage people who are afraid of this thing they created. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and in fact, that was what it says.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, the far right co opted the term CRT,
Speaker 1: weaponizing it as a boogeyman and the latest culture war
Speaker 1: pushed by Republicans, and currently more than eighteen states have
Speaker 1: enacted policies targeting CRT, according to Education Week. Most notoriously,
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, Florida Governor Ronda Satan's signed the
Speaker 1: Stop Woke Act, which prohibited educators from teaching lessons on
Speaker 1: race or LGBTQ issues. All right back to Nashville. So
Speaker 1: we have a few questions, as promised. Before we get
Speaker 1: to the questions, let me paint a picture. This paints
Speaker 1: a picture quite well. Someone asked early on when the
Speaker 1: details are still coming out, did the shooter act alone? Right?
Speaker 1: And I saw a response online that I want to
Speaker 1: share with you. I think you'll love it. The shooter
Speaker 1: did not act alone. The shooter was aided by the
Speaker 1: NRA and forty nine Republican senators. That is a fact.
Speaker 1: Now there are people who will say that the Republican
Speaker 1: senators have tried to do this or that or the
Speaker 1: other thing, and most notably Republicans wanted to put more
Speaker 1: police officers in schools. Right, put together a bill that
Speaker 1: puts more police officers in schools and more guns in
Speaker 1: the hands of citizens. There you go and teachers a
Speaker 1: few things, but you know that absolutely is one of
Speaker 1: them too. But the one that there was a lot
Speaker 1: of opposition to from the democratic side of things is
Speaker 1: that we've seen that police and schools often has a
Speaker 1: negative impact on black and brown students. They're often arrested
Speaker 1: and punished and criminalized, and it just fortifies the school
Speaker 1: to prison pipeline. Our good friend Janelle would has a
Speaker 1: lot to say about officers and schools and how it's
Speaker 1: actually damaging black and brown students and impoverished communities by
Speaker 1: having police officers and schools. In fact, the outcomes that
Speaker 1: folks were hoping to achieve, the opposite has been achieved.
Speaker 1: And so again, whereas schools normally would discipline children the
Speaker 1: way in the traditional sense, when they're police at schools,
Speaker 1: now disciplining children becomes a criminal act, and you see
Speaker 1: six year olds getting arrested and having to go to
Speaker 1: court and that sort of thing. So this is why
Speaker 1: there has been a pushback to that. Rather the liberals,
Speaker 1: the Democrats in this country have pushed for gun reform
Speaker 1: because there is a difference between a school shooting and
Speaker 1: a mass shooting somehow, and everyone likes to point everything
Speaker 1: at school shootings, completely ignoring that people shoot up parades,
Speaker 1: and people shoot up grocery stores, and people shoot up
Speaker 1: movie theaters and whatever else they can shoot up, and
Speaker 1: that we have a gun problem in this country. As
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier in the show, this is the one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirtieth mass shooting of the year. I didn't
Speaker 1: say school shooting, mass shooting. And just because I graduated
Speaker 1: high school doesn't mean I want to get shot. We
Speaker 1: have a gun problem, and so oftentimes it is, you know,
Speaker 1: the right facet of this country that's very much opposed
Speaker 1: to adopting progressive gun laws. They're very much Second Amendment purists,
Speaker 1: but they leave off the part of the Second Amendment
Speaker 1: that says that we should have a well regulated militia.
Speaker 1: They don't like the well regulated part, but they do
Speaker 1: like the right to bear arms part. And so when
Speaker 1: I say, or rather when this person says that the
Speaker 1: shooter did not act alone, was aided by the NRA
Speaker 1: and forty nine Republican senators, that is the point that
Speaker 1: they were coming from. Rams how many arms guns like
Speaker 1: the right to.
Speaker 3: Bear How many I got to.
Speaker 1: How many arms?
Speaker 3: Do we have the right to bear because the gun
Speaker 3: you bought in nineteen seventy nine still works. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: So digging to get to the actual problem here, then
Speaker 3: you'll have to dig too deep. Right, it's profit like
Speaker 3: almost every other problem in this country. Sure, they sell
Speaker 3: it as protection. They use fear to churn up you
Speaker 3: needing to protect yourself. More so, I know you got
Speaker 3: two guns already. I know you got one gun already
Speaker 3: that still works and will work forever. That's the really
Speaker 3: masterfully as a machine, as a mechanism, as long as
Speaker 3: it doesn't rust to decay, it'll work forever.
Speaker 1: So like the one you bought the last time you
Speaker 1: got scared, that's the one. Other's guns from the eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds of shoot. They still shoot and will still kill.
Speaker 3: It's not like they you'll just be hobbling around like No,
Speaker 3: those guns kill as effectively as the ones you can
Speaker 3: buy new today. So it's not this need to protect
Speaker 3: your family, because a pistol will do that. And AR
Speaker 3: fifteen was not designed for in home invader family protection.
Speaker 1: It's a military. It's for war.
Speaker 3: It is a as Ramses calls it, killing machine designed
Speaker 3: for war. You don't need one at the crib. You
Speaker 3: definitely don't need three or four and you posing with
Speaker 3: your wife and your kids who also okay, neverma, I.
Speaker 1: Don' want to pick on nobody. Listen, we can move on.
Speaker 1: And then I think you you brought up the point
Speaker 1: that actually we'll get there. We'll get there. So first question,
Speaker 1: what was the shooter's motive? So I don't want to
Speaker 1: read the shooter's name, that's just I just don't feel
Speaker 1: good about that. But I'm sure you know the shooter's
Speaker 1: name by now. Because I want to be very respectful
Speaker 1: of the trans community. I don't want to miss gender
Speaker 1: this person because I want to be respectful of properly
Speaker 1: gendering people. And I believe that this person used he,
Speaker 1: HIMN pronouns, and so for the purposes of our conversation,
Speaker 1: we will describe this shooter as a heat or him. However,
Speaker 1: the news reports suggest that this was a genetic biological
Speaker 1: female that carried out the shooting. So this person was
Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old former student of the school.
Speaker 1: Nashville Police Chief John Drake said at a news conference
Speaker 1: this would have been Tuesday. The shooter had left behind
Speaker 1: a manifesto, Drake said, which included a map of the
Speaker 1: school with details about how he would enter and carry
Speaker 1: out an attack. So the motive of this shooter, I
Speaker 1: cannot begin to imagine what would get a person to
Speaker 1: go that far, but I suspect that it might be
Speaker 1: a response to hate. Again, I'm not justifying it. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that there might be something there. If this
Speaker 1: person is a transgender individual been pushed to the edge
Speaker 1: because of recent events, you know, maybe there's something there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, taking that out on children is
Speaker 1: perhaps the most heinous thing that a person can do
Speaker 1: in innocent people. And you know the janitor.
Speaker 4: The janitor was a black man, and that felt unfair too,
Speaker 4: But if we're looking for a motive, maybe that's what
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 1: So that's one of the questions that you know, we
Speaker 1: thought about. And this also a lot of this reading
Speaker 1: and research came from NPR dot org. I want to
Speaker 1: make sure I shot them out. Another question, could police
Speaker 1: have confiscated the shooter's guns? And I think that this
Speaker 1: is kind of where you were with what the statement
Speaker 1: you were making earlier, So I'll read this in actuality.
Speaker 1: The shooter had legally purchased seven firearms from five local
Speaker 1: gun stores. Three of those weapons, including two assault style firearms,
Speaker 1: were used in the shooting. The shooter was under a
Speaker 1: quote doctor's care for an emotional disorder, but law enforcement
Speaker 1: knew nothing about the treatment. And then it goes on
Speaker 1: to say, in some states, so called red flag laws
Speaker 1: and power law enforcement to confiscate weapons due to mental
Speaker 1: illness or concerns from relatives. So could police have confiscated
Speaker 1: the shooters' guns.
Speaker 3: If the Republicans in Tennessee hadn't voted against there you
Speaker 3: go laws that would have made at the case, yes,
Speaker 3: they could have.
Speaker 1: You know something I read that you can't go to
Speaker 1: like a CBS and purchase like some sort of medicine,
Speaker 1: and then go to another like a Walgreens and purchase
Speaker 1: more of the same medicine, and then go to another
Speaker 1: store and purchase same medicals, because it will throw up
Speaker 1: a red flag like this is what people who are
Speaker 1: wanting to unlive themselves might do. They might get a
Speaker 1: bunch of pills because they can't get them all in
Speaker 1: the same place. So there's systems in place that prevent
Speaker 1: you from going to multiple locations and stocking up on
Speaker 1: whatever this medicine. And I don't know the details on
Speaker 1: how to do this, but I was reading this, and
Speaker 1: I was reading this the person who's who had compiled
Speaker 1: this information was doing so in an attempt to suggest
Speaker 1: that it is possible to put together an alert system
Speaker 1: for people who are going from this store to the
Speaker 1: next door to the next door to buy guns, because
Speaker 1: it exists for this whatever this medicine was. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think that it's just a little sad that where
Speaker 1: we are with this is kind of where we started.
Speaker 1: That's the part that feels a little bit sad to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, more so, really more than a little sad, because
Speaker 3: I think we you know, we've talked about this before
Speaker 3: with some angst, right, like the idea that there should
Speaker 3: be something that breaks capitalism's hold on us, like perhaps
Speaker 3: our children being murdered at school, except na, like in
Speaker 3: the name of profit, there's like no basement, there's no floor,
Speaker 3: there's no bottom for us. Like, yes, we could do
Speaker 3: all these things to make this less likely to happen,
Speaker 3: but it it'd be harder for us to make more money.
Speaker 1: So no, And you know, I think the craziest part
Speaker 1: about this whole thing is that I think you said this,
Speaker 1: You made this point before that once Sandy Hook happened
Speaker 1: and we saw that children were on the menu and nobody.
Speaker 3: Was And I have to say this, white children once
Speaker 3: white children being murdered. I'm using that word very intentionally,
Speaker 3: very deliberately, because that's what it is, not just children
Speaker 3: being murdered, because the country has shown us for a
Speaker 3: long time that if those children look like Rambas and myself, no,
Speaker 3: they weren't really moved by it. Yeah, they actually used
Speaker 3: the way that our skin reacts to vitamin dan melanin
Speaker 3: as a reason why maybe we deserved to be shot
Speaker 3: down or killed it or look what they do to
Speaker 3: each other, So why should we care? But once the
Speaker 3: other side showed us that even their children being murdered
Speaker 3: wouldn't sounding alarm and cause any type of change or
Speaker 3: reform at that moment, to me, mentally, we're doomed. Well
Speaker 3: because if not that, then what.
Speaker 1: Man, it's it's a a We're in a bit of
Speaker 1: a situation here all right. Now, Again, I want to
Speaker 1: remind you it's a civic cipher and all these things
Speaker 1: are connected. Okay, We're going to do a little bit
Speaker 1: of a pivot here because the next question that I
Speaker 1: want to ask, is kind of important. Will the FBI
Speaker 1: or state agencies investigate this as a hate crime? Now,
Speaker 1: if you're like me, you're like hate crime, hate, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? That's different. But let me read
Speaker 1: this to you. Please say that the suspect was previously
Speaker 1: a student of the Covenant School and targeted the building,
Speaker 1: which is also a church. On Tuesday, Senator Josh Hawley,
Speaker 1: Republican of Missouri, took that to mean the attack was targeted,
Speaker 1: that is, against Christians, and began calling for federal agencies
Speaker 1: to investigate the shooting as a hate crime. Holly Alsho
Speaker 1: also introduced a Senate resolution to formally condemn the shooting
Speaker 1: as a hate crime. Holly's choice in framing caught on
Speaker 1: quickly with other Republican leaders. Okay, so it's important to
Speaker 1: identify this tactic and to put an asterisk here because
Speaker 1: this conceivably would give license to lawmakers to go after
Speaker 1: trans people. In other words, the connection that they're making
Speaker 1: is that trans people hate Christians, when in fact, it
Speaker 1: seems to be that Christians hate trans You guys can't
Speaker 1: see me, but yes, reverse play, Oh no, the reverse
Speaker 1: card that. Yeah, so this is something that of course
Speaker 1: we can see because being black and studying black history
Speaker 1: in this country, this is a tactic. You know, you
Speaker 1: try to use whatever you can to make sure that
Speaker 1: you're the victim, make sure that they're the bullies, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and play with the optics. But
Speaker 1: you know, I can't say what I can't say. I
Speaker 1: haven't read the manifesto, I don't know what. I don't know, right,
Speaker 1: but that feels to me like a cheap shot for
Speaker 1: an already vulnerable community and to take one individual. And
Speaker 1: I know that they were saying that there were other
Speaker 1: trans people that have done attacks like this, but the
Speaker 1: vast majority of people that do these attacks are white,
Speaker 1: male in cells, Let's be honest, the huge majority. I
Speaker 1: think there was three people who were kind of in
Speaker 1: the non binary space who might have carried out an attacks,
Speaker 1: and of those three, I think maybe one of them
Speaker 1: only said that to get out of a hate crime charge. Right.
Speaker 1: So with that said, for a person to for whatever
Speaker 1: this got, John Hawley to take that and then try
Speaker 1: to use it to frame the conversation around trans people
Speaker 1: attacking Christians, it puts an already vulnerable population in a
Speaker 1: more vulnerable space and cast them in a more vulnerable light.
Speaker 1: And you know, we always said that this show, we
Speaker 1: would use this platform to try to support anyone who
Speaker 1: was marginalized, born to strike against him, had a tougher
Speaker 1: go with life. And I cannot sit here and pretend
Speaker 1: to know what it's like to be trans. I've met
Speaker 1: a handful of trans people in my life. I wish
Speaker 1: I knew more, just so that I could help more
Speaker 1: and articulate things a bit better. But as long as
Speaker 1: there's breath in my body to push back against what
Speaker 1: I see as clear attacks on vulnerable communities, and that
Speaker 1: feels like one of them right now, based on what
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: And you're being generous saying it feels like it, right
Speaker 3: because we can't use language that states things within one
Speaker 3: hundred percent knowledge that we don't have actual knowledge of it.
Speaker 3: But there's a reason that it feels that way, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because it most likely is.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have to use terms like a lleged
Speaker 1: and feels we have to talk around it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it really really sucks.
Speaker 3: It's such a cheap shot, it's such low hanging fruit,
Speaker 3: and they do that knowing how their colleagues will react
Speaker 3: constituentsy is so cowardly and unfair man.
Speaker 1: Right now, again, I want to make sure that we
Speaker 1: are condemning clearly any sort of actions like this individual
Speaker 1: that shot this school up takes, while still recognizing that
Speaker 1: there are people in this community who need protection and
Speaker 1: need a voice. And because again we have microphones and
Speaker 1: satellite dishes across the country and beating hearts in a
Speaker 1: degree of empathy, I think it's important for us to
Speaker 1: make sure that that stated. All right, My final question
Speaker 1: that I'll ask, will lawmakers pass gun control measures? So
Speaker 1: finally the question of the day, and of yesterday and
Speaker 1: the day before that. Unfortunately, it looks like it might
Speaker 1: be the question of tomorrow, will lawmakers pass gun control measures?
Speaker 3: It seems that even lawmakers themselves being targets, didn't bring
Speaker 3: does it, and didn't bring about change. There was a
Speaker 3: politician in Arizona years.
Speaker 5: Ago at a grocery store or something, Gabby Guildford, I
Speaker 5: want to say, and like even then it wasn't like, Okay,
Speaker 5: this has gone far enough, not just my children, but.
Speaker 3: Me and the NRA, the gun lobby, those that profit
Speaker 3: from the selling of weapons in this country. Are they're
Speaker 3: too powerful? It's this isn't even something for us to
Speaker 3: go back and forth about. And not only are they
Speaker 3: too powerful, but those that benefit from their money like
Speaker 3: it too much. Right, because this wouldn't even be hard.
Speaker 3: The legislation that would change things actually overnight wouldn't even
Speaker 3: be difficult. There are cases, studies and data from all
Speaker 3: over the world that show that more legislation that would
Speaker 3: require you to jump through more hoops essentially to get
Speaker 3: a weapon, would make it so that less people who
Speaker 3: shouldn't have them would And people always push back with
Speaker 3: the idea, well, if criminals want to get guns, they will,
Speaker 3: I'm sure, I'm sure, right, But that's the same thing
Speaker 3: with everything. People who have no issue with breaking the
Speaker 3: law to get things, that break the law to get
Speaker 3: things will continue to We know that we're talking about
Speaker 3: when they don't have to. Right, if you can get
Speaker 3: the money off my porch instead of breaking my window
Speaker 3: to get it, you'll just get it off the porch. Like,
Speaker 3: that's human nature too, and also the nature of the criminal.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: They will take the easier route when it's provided to them,
Speaker 3: and our country does a really good job of providing
Speaker 3: the way easier route.
Speaker 1: You can just go to the store and buy an
Speaker 1: assault rifle, or you can buy five of them in
Speaker 1: a row. Not trip off any alerts or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So again we wait and see, but shout out to
Speaker 1: the officers that got in there and got busy. Credit.
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Speaker 1: All right, as promised the former slave turned cop who
Speaker 1: made the only official arrest of a sitting US president in.
Speaker 6: History, I'll read William West made the difficult call to
Speaker 6: hold the head of the United States responsible for dangerous
Speaker 6: behavior and a residential neighborhood.
Speaker 1: These days, American presidents and allegations of breaking the law
Speaker 1: are in the headlines nearly every day. However, in the
Speaker 1: nearly two hundred and fifty year old United States, there
Speaker 1: has only been one known instance of a sitting president
Speaker 1: being arrested. This was made by a police officer named
Speaker 1: William H. West, a former slave, who took Ulysses S.
Speaker 1: Grant into custody in eighteen seventy two after catching the
Speaker 1: head of the nation, speeding down a Washington, d c.
Speaker 1: Street on multiple occasions. West was born in eighteen forty
Speaker 1: two in Maryland, where he and his family were held
Speaker 1: as slaves. In the Civil War eighteen sixty one eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty five came around, the young man enlisted in the
Speaker 1: company K thirtieth United States Colored Infantry, seeing action in
Speaker 1: the conflict that led to the abolition of slavery. During Reconstruction,
Speaker 1: which was eighteen sixty five to eighteen seventy seven, when
Speaker 1: former slave states were integrated in accordance with the federal expectations,
Speaker 1: West obtained a position as a policeman in Washington, d c.
Speaker 1: In eighteen seventy one. One of two black cops at
Speaker 1: the time, He gained a reputation for his gentlemanly behavior
Speaker 1: and affinity for good, fast horses. It was also during
Speaker 1: this time that he married, and his wife, Kate, went
Speaker 1: on to raise six children. The arrest that West became
Speaker 1: known for was one that he made of President Grant
Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy two. The policeman was following up on
Speaker 1: recent complaints of speeding horses by conducting a foot patrol
Speaker 1: around Thirteenth Street. Suddenly, he noticed a horse and buggy
Speaker 1: traveling up the street towards him and at what he
Speaker 1: considered a rate of speed that was unsafe for the
Speaker 1: residential neighborhood. Flagging the carriage down, he discovered that the
Speaker 1: driver was none other than the President, who he permitted
Speaker 1: to drive along after admonishing him to watch how fast
Speaker 1: he drove in the future. However, the next day, and
Speaker 1: in the same general location, West once again saw a
Speaker 1: number of carriages tearing down the street faster than they
Speaker 1: should be. He was able to flag down seven of them.
Speaker 1: Upon examining the drivers, he saw that one of them
Speaker 1: was again Grant, who was less than twenty four hours
Speaker 1: from having received a warning because of the repeated transgression.
Speaker 1: West treated the situation just like he would if it
Speaker 1: were any other citizen, who placed the perpetrators under arrest,
Speaker 1: reportedly specifically telling Grant quote, I am very sorry, mister President,
Speaker 1: to have to do it for You are the chief
Speaker 1: of the nation and I am nothing but a policeman.
Speaker 1: But duty is duty, sir, and I will have to
Speaker 1: place you under arrest. The President and the other six
Speaker 1: drivers were escorted to the local priescinct, where they were processed.
Speaker 1: Grant was released after paying a twenty dollars bond that
Speaker 1: was forfeited as he didn't show up at the hearing
Speaker 1: the following morning, thus resolving the matter for himself. It
Speaker 1: was reported that thirty two women showed up to testify
Speaker 1: against the other drivers who did have their day in court,
Speaker 1: who vehemently contested the charges in vain. Grant never did
Speaker 1: appeal his arrest or the fine that he paid. He
Speaker 1: even supposedly later acknowledged that he had been in the
Speaker 1: wrong and that West had done the right thing. However,
Speaker 1: it was far from a one time incident. Records show
Speaker 1: that during his presidency he received at least three different
Speaker 1: citations for traveling too fast in a carriage. Grant remained
Speaker 1: in office until eighteen seventy seven. He lived until eighteen
Speaker 1: eighty five, but spend his final years battling cancer and
Speaker 1: racing to write his memoirs to bring in some money
Speaker 1: for his family before he died, as he had bought
Speaker 1: them nearly to the brink of insolvency. Meanwhile, West completed
Speaker 1: a successful career as a policeman in nineteen oh one,
Speaker 1: when he retired after some thirty years on the job.
Speaker 1: In nineteen oh eight, he was interviewed by a reporter
Speaker 1: who published a newspaper article that went viral and appeared
Speaker 1: in various publications around the country. The formal cop went
Speaker 1: into detail about his most famous arrest. He described why
Speaker 1: he made the stop and arrest quote. Several residents of
Speaker 1: the neighborhood had complained of horsemen who speeded their horse
Speaker 1: along Thirteenth Street while driving two and from the Brightwood Racetracks.
Speaker 1: President Ulysses S. Grant was one of the drivers who
Speaker 1: used Thirteenth Street, and many a time he engaged in
Speaker 1: a speed contest with his friends. In fact, full spurts
Speaker 1: of speed were frequent occurrences, and the street was at
Speaker 1: times dangerous for women and children. Citizens complained time and
Speaker 1: again to the police about the conditions prevailing along the
Speaker 1: street on account of the furious racing going on, and
Speaker 1: orders were issued for the police to stop the racers
Speaker 1: or unquote. Although the story of Grant's arrest was sometimes
Speaker 1: called anecdotal in the past, the Washington DC Police Department
Speaker 1: has confirmed more recently that it did indeed happen. While
Speaker 1: it is remarkable for a number of reasons, it also
Speaker 1: it's also just a good example of law enforcement, a
Speaker 1: law enforcement matter being handled by the book, despite fame
Speaker 1: and power of the perpetrator. So, yeah, President got arrested.
Speaker 1: It's possible. Gives me hope. Once upon a time it
Speaker 1: was possible.
Speaker 3: I think all parties involved might be too scared for
Speaker 3: that to happen.
Speaker 1: Now it's unfortunately, Well, you know, there's a popular narrative
Speaker 1: or a popular what is it. What's the word I'm
Speaker 1: looking for a refrain maybe that people keep saying over
Speaker 1: and over again. Who knows, But conservatives are saying that
Speaker 1: this is unprecedented. You know, I'm referring specifically, we're referring
Speaker 1: to the investigations indictment of Donald Trump and the investigations
Speaker 1: and the potential indictments for him that are still lined up,
Speaker 1: and how everyone's calling it a witch hunt and saying
Speaker 1: that this has never been done before and it's unprecedented,
Speaker 1: and that he's being targeted and this and that and
Speaker 1: the third and trying to suggest that he is kind
Speaker 1: of beyond consequences because he has served as the president
Speaker 1: and now he's like a national treasure or something like that,
Speaker 1: or because he did these things while he was in office,
Speaker 1: he's automatically exempt from prosecution or whatever whatever fantasy arguments
Speaker 1: that these folks come up with. But I think the
Speaker 1: point that everyone is echoing on that side is that
Speaker 1: it's unprecedent, it hasn't happened before. And the fact is
Speaker 1: is that we now see that it has happened before.
Speaker 1: And indeed, the arresting officer was a former slave. So
Speaker 1: that's some way black history for you right there. So
Speaker 1: when I say, you know, it gives me hope, that
Speaker 1: makes one of us well hoping nothing. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a yeah, it's still it's still a long ways away,
Speaker 1: but it has happened before, and I think that counts
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Speaker 7: So so yeah, I can't wait to see what happens
Speaker 7: with this indictment and whether or not it goes the
Speaker 7: way that we're hoping and that there's some accountability.
Speaker 1: I know that Georgia is looking like a juicy right
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Speaker 1: How about that? All right? I think that's gonna do
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