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Speaker 1: Coming up on the Booth Preview of Monday Night Football, Logan,

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Speaker 1: Washington's got to stop by dynamic Connection tonight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and with the addition to t Higgins, that gets

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Speaker 2: a little bit more complicated.

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Speaker 1: It does. How about Jadon Daniels though we might have

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Speaker 1: our own cheat code in.

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Speaker 2: Washington, man, I certainly hope so. And like with jayde

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Speaker 2: and Daniels and versus Cincinnati, defense is a really narrow

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Speaker 2: path to victory, but it's there.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully they can get it done.

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Speaker 1: We're saying there's a chance on the Booth Preview. It's

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Speaker 1: coming up. Welcome into this week's edition of the Booth Review.

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Speaker 1: Bram Einstein, Logan, Paulson. We're going to call this the

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Speaker 1: Booth Preview because we have not called Washington and Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: first primetime Monday Night game that Washington's had early in

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Speaker 1: a season in a long time, in the first Monday

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Speaker 1: night game that they've had in two years since they

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Speaker 1: had that memorable one in Philadelphia, the b Rob game

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Speaker 1: where they ran the ball down the Eagle's throat ended

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Speaker 1: a Philadelphia undefeated season. Psyched, Logan, you psyched to get

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Speaker 1: into the Booth tonight for the Monday Night against Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, really excited. I mean, I think this is

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Speaker 2: gonna be a really fun game to watch. And you know,

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Speaker 2: the more it's so funny every time you kind of

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Speaker 2: do a preview, you know, whether it's for Command Center

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Speaker 2: or whatever, like, there are some engaging storylines and some

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Speaker 2: interesting thoughts experiments about like football at its core. So

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be fun to watch that be executed tonight

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Speaker 2: on a primetime stage.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go. Let's do a little booth review

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Speaker 1: of the other teams in the nfcas really quickly, and

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Speaker 1: just on Dallas where the score looks better than at

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Speaker 1: least the first three and a half quarters were against

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Speaker 1: the Ravens. Their run defense was swallowed up by Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: They were getting blown out yesterday. Suddenly off of a

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Speaker 1: quick turn of events and a recovered on sidekick, they

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Speaker 1: made the score look better than it was. What, just

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Speaker 1: in general, is your take on Dallas right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I think Dallas has got to kind

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Speaker 2: some of these run schemes that people are thrown at them,

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Speaker 2: and to me, it's not even like super technical at

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Speaker 3: You know, we talked about a little bit last night.

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Speaker 2: They've got these kind of undersized defensive tackles and they

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Speaker 2: They want to be ahead, so they can rush the pass,

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Speaker 1: All Right, how about the Eagles real quick who got

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Speaker 3: So I definitely think running the football.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, like if you're Cincinnati, like that seems foolish because

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Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, so let's stay on their offense, the

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Speaker 3: One thousand percent. These remind me of games.

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Speaker 3: As many times you want.

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Speaker 2: Because one of the things that happens is when you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that the pathway here and to

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think that's kind of how they're

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Speaker 2: but definitely not t Higgins at this point in his career. Right,

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Speaker 2: I think with T Higgins coming back, I think it

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Speaker 2: really limits your ability to do that unless you feel like,

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Speaker 2: for example, that Benjamin Saint Jews can match up in

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Speaker 2: a one on one situation favorably with T Higgins. And

436
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Speaker 2: I know, after watching him versus Mike Williams, maybe that's

437
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Speaker 2: the play. Maybe it's like, hey, you know, Saint Jews,

438
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Speaker 2: go earn your money today, lock up with T Higgins.

439
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Speaker 2: We'll live with a couple explosive plays to that, but

440
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Speaker 2: we can't let you mar Chase beat us. Maybe that's

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Speaker 2: the play that the Commanders go with today. And I

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Speaker 2: don't have atually hate that matchup, you know, like because

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Speaker 2: te Higgins isn't like super super quick again, he's more

444
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Speaker 2: of a contested catch ball guy. And I go back

445
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Speaker 2: to how Saint Geu's played against Mike Evans, and he

446
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Speaker 2: played that game about as well as he could have.

447
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Speaker 2: So maybe you feel good about that and you can

448
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Speaker 2: go with the bracket. I just think it becomes way

449
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Speaker 2: more challenging to engage in that game plan when you

450
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Speaker 2: have two dynamic guys on the outside.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the other part of this, obviously is they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to get pressure on Joe Burrow. Last week

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Speaker 1: against Daniel Jones, I think it's safe to say that

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Speaker 1: not enough pressure was applied and he had a very

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Speaker 1: good game against them. With Burrow, it's different, and we

456
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Speaker 1: were talking about it when we were calling the game

457
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Speaker 1: last week with Jones. With Jones, if you pressure him,

458
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Speaker 1: there's no telling what he'll do. He'll become inaccurate, he

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Speaker 1: might turn the ball over, he slides into pressure like

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Speaker 1: he gets rattled, for lack of a better term, That's

461
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Speaker 1: not what happens here. Burrow will literally step up into

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Speaker 1: the pocket. He will take the hits. He's got the

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Speaker 1: respect of all the coaches. He's very tough. You'll hear

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Speaker 1: people like Dan Quinn talk about a Tapia's and he's

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Speaker 1: got the injuries to show for it through his career

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Speaker 1: that he's willing to do it. So, as you think

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Speaker 1: about pressuring Burrow, how do you think about getting to

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Speaker 1: him in a way that could be effective to get

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Speaker 1: the outcomes that you're looking for tonight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I think everyone says pressure, and I think that's important,

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Speaker 2: but I think it's more it's more important to keep

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Speaker 2: him unsettled and not fall into a rhythm defensively.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I think when you look at some of the best

476
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Speaker 2: game plans against him, it's the ones where he asked

477
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Speaker 2: to hold the ball for a little bit. So what's

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Speaker 2: the coverage contour look like? Can you disguise what you're doing?

479
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Speaker 2: Can you drop you know? Can we bring simulated pressures?

480
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Speaker 2: Can we drop eight? Can we bring those like overload

481
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Speaker 2: five man six man pressures when we have to and

482
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Speaker 2: get home with him. So I don't think it's I

483
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Speaker 2: don't think it's about necessarily getting pressure. I think that's

484
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Speaker 2: an oversimplification. I think it's more how do you make

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Speaker 2: him uncomfortable and how do you make him second guess

486
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Speaker 2: what he's looking at? And I know that's that's easier,

487
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Speaker 2: said than done right that he's one of the best

488
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks in football. He's you know, he's got that, you know,

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow cool. He seems to be unphased that return

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Speaker 2: by what defenses present. But when you look at when

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Speaker 2: you look at Kansas City, there were down in distances

492
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Speaker 2: where they did a good job of disguising what.

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Speaker 3: They were in.

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Speaker 2: He held the football and it didn't lead to a

495
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Speaker 2: sack necessarily, but it leads. It leads to incomplete passes,

496
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Speaker 2: and incomplete passes leads to lead to punts and those

497
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Speaker 2: are wins for the defense. So that's that's what I

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Speaker 2: would say. It's not so much pressure, it's just how

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Speaker 2: do you make him mentally and physically uncomfortable? And again,

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Speaker 2: there's a million ways to do it. I'm really excited

501
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Speaker 2: to see what Joe Witt chooses to do. But I

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Speaker 2: would say, what do the disguises look like? What do

503
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Speaker 2: our what do our pre snap pressure looks look like?

504
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Speaker 2: Do we drop out of them? Are we bringing stuff

505
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Speaker 2: from those looks? Because again, if you much like the

506
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Speaker 2: quarterback with the offensive line, if you're able to present

507
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Speaker 2: different looks and different angles to the quarterback, you can

508
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Speaker 2: create kind of sneaky pressures off four man rushes. So

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Speaker 2: that's what I would kind of keep an eye on today.

510
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Speaker 2: And again, the pressure is important, but you can help

511
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Speaker 2: yourself out by making the quarterback a little bit confused

512
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Speaker 2: and a little bit tentative, and hopefully Joe Junior comes

513
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Speaker 2: with the game plan that does that.

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Speaker 1: There's one other thing with him, and this is what's

515
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Speaker 1: different obviously about Jones and Burrow. And Burrows in MVP

516
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Speaker 1: caliber quarterback and so I think it's unfair to judge them,

517
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Speaker 1: but when you get pressure around the outside on him,

518
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Speaker 1: he typically will step into the pocket. And one of

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Speaker 1: the real big talking points of this entire week is

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Speaker 1: John and Doran and the impact that they've had in

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Speaker 1: the games, or some belief outside that they haven't had

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Speaker 1: the impact that people have anticipated. Here's an opportunity, right

523
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Speaker 1: if you know that, Like where he's going to go

524
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Speaker 1: when he gets the pressure around the edge is come

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Speaker 1: back into the teeth of your defense, or what you

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Speaker 1: hope is the teeth of your defense. Here's a night

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Speaker 1: where John and Deran can make impact plays if they win,

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Speaker 1: right or am I off?

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Speaker 2: No? I think you're hundred percent right. I think I

530
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Speaker 2: think That's one thing good quarterbacks tend to. They should

531
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Speaker 2: step up into the pocket. You see kind of young,

532
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Speaker 2: inexperienced guys stepping back out of the pocket, and that's

533
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Speaker 2: becoming more and more common, kind of with Mahomes doing

534
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Speaker 2: it all the time. But you know, most traditional pocket passers,

535
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Speaker 2: you know, you Drew Brees or Tom Tom Brady, your

536
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Speaker 2: Peyton Mannings are going to step up into the pocket.

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Speaker 2: So Joe Burrow to me, is definitely in that mold.

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Speaker 2: And obviously when you have a guy that does that

539
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Speaker 2: or has that skill set, you want to create internal pressure.

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Speaker 2: But you know, like and I do think this is

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Speaker 2: a good week to do it. I do think the

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Speaker 2: Bengals defensive or offensive interior is just okay. I think

543
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Speaker 2: they're very solid. I think they're a good group together.

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Speaker 2: I think in terms of one on one pass bro

545
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Speaker 2: especially when you watch the New England game, you know White,

546
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Speaker 2: I forget his first name, they're defensive tackle number ninety nine,

547
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Speaker 2: really put them in a blender in obvious passing situations

548
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Speaker 2: and really stress that group out. So obviously he's coming

549
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Speaker 2: on strong as a young player in the NFL. But

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Speaker 2: I do think John and Deron have that ability. Now

551
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Speaker 2: it's about identifying the moments when you can really and

552
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Speaker 2: hook unleash the beasts kind of so to speak, and

553
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Speaker 2: like really get after the quarterback. But I do think

554
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Speaker 2: especially with a guy like Burrow who's not quite as mobile,

555
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Speaker 2: you can be more aggressive with your rush plan. Right.

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Speaker 3: I think that's going to be good.

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Speaker 2: I think that was one thing you saw last week

558
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Speaker 2: with Daniel Jones, a little bit more conservative rush plan,

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Speaker 2: I think. I think the other thing is the New

560
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Speaker 2: York we talked about this on the last Booth review

561
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Speaker 2: we did, is they were very, very aware of the

562
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Speaker 2: pass rush and so there was a lot of max pro's,

563
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Speaker 2: a lot of heavy play action pass You're not going

564
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Speaker 2: to get those same that same plan, or you shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think from Cincinnati because they haven't shown that

566
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Speaker 2: all year, they're going to be like, hey, we trust

567
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow to get us right, we trust our offensive

568
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Speaker 2: line to help them help them protect them, much like

569
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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay. And I think if you look at the

570
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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay game, obviously the six of the five or

571
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Speaker 2: six pressures that they had are well documented. They got

572
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Speaker 2: to get home and finish those. But I think that

573
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Speaker 2: a performance like that in this game because of the

574
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Speaker 2: offensive philosophy is definitely on the table.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's get to the other side of

576
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Speaker 1: the ball. That's what the broad blood, which I thought

577
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Speaker 1: was really funny, was, here's, you know, Jayden daniels first

578
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Speaker 1: Monday night game, and it's bright lights and all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: When Cliff Kingsbury was asked about it the other day,

580
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Speaker 1: he goes, I don't know, He's played in Death Valley

581
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Speaker 1: at Night a million times. I don't think this is

582
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Speaker 1: going to be and he kind of surprised him and

583
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Speaker 1: through all of this, the whole cool calm collected. He's

584
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Speaker 1: been there before, he has acted the part, lived the part,

585
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Speaker 1: and I honestly have no concerns about that. There are

586
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Speaker 1: other rookies that I would, but I don't here tonight.

587
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Speaker 1: He's done this kind of too many times. And if

588
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Speaker 1: you play Georgia and Death Valley on a Saturday night,

589
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Speaker 1: trust me, and I don't know that it does get

590
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Speaker 1: much bigger than that on a football stage, honestly.

591
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm not worried about the lights being too bright,

592
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Speaker 2: because he's definitely showed that's on an issue. I'm worried

593
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Speaker 2: about Lou Anarroumo and his defense. Like, that's what I'm

594
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Speaker 2: worried about, because this defense is very unique in terms

595
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Speaker 2: of like the coverage structures they present, like the pressure

596
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Speaker 2: practices that they bring, the kind of the game plan philosophy,

597
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Speaker 2: and so what I mean by that is like they

598
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Speaker 2: run a lot of stuff, and they play hard, and

599
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Speaker 2: they're pretty good in the back end. There's no like

600
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Speaker 2: elite name back there necessarily, but they're very consistent and

601
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Speaker 2: they're on the same page, and so they.

602
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Speaker 3: Do a great job disguising coverage.

603
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Speaker 2: And so some of that stuff that we talked about

604
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Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow that the commanders have to do, this

605
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: ant room defense does it all the time. That's like

606
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Speaker 2: that's part of their DNA is we are gonna kind

607
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Speaker 2: of hold coverage shells, gonna we're gonna we're gonna get

608
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Speaker 2: the stuff that you're not expecting. We're gonna play man match,

609
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Speaker 2: we're gonna play straight man, we're gonna play cover two,

610
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Speaker 2: we're gonna play quarters, and we're good at all of them.

611
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Speaker 2: And so the thing I'm worried about is like when

612
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Speaker 2: you look at what happened versus Todd Bowles and Tampa

613
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Speaker 2: Bay and I mentioned this to you last night, is

614
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Speaker 2: he was a little bit uncertain, he was a little

615
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Speaker 2: bit accelerated, and in this game, like I think the

616
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Speaker 2: same thing's gonna happen, like if from a coverage perspective,

617
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Speaker 2: and again like Anromo does bring pressure. He brings a

618
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Speaker 2: lot of first down pressure to stop the run, he

619
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Speaker 2: brings a lot of third down pressure. He wants to

620
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Speaker 2: be aggressive. But my big question for tonight is not

621
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Speaker 2: the environment. I think he's gonna be totally fine, it's

622
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Speaker 2: just what is Can he trust what he's seeing and

623
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Speaker 2: is he effective with that? Because if he's effective, we're

624
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Speaker 2: gonna be fine. But if he's a little accelerated and uncomfortable,

625
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: that's what issues start to happen. And you know, obviously

626
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: this Cincinnati defense picked off Patrick Mahomes twice in their game,

627
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Speaker 2: so you know, they do find ways to get turnovers,

628
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Speaker 2: and a big reasons of it because they've got very

629
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Speaker 2: consistent players in the back end who embrace the defense.

630
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Speaker 2: They play hard, and it's a good scheme. So it's

631
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: kind of like this trifecta of very challenging things for

632
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Speaker 2: a young quarterback to navigate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was funny. I was talking to Dave Quinn

634
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Speaker 1: the other day, and you know, he always talks about

635
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: year like how we bring it and you know where

636
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: ball is life and we're going to get the ball

637
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. If you watch Cincinnati, you see it,

638
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: like you literally see it. And he was talking about

639
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: how they've been in the system for a long time,

640
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: they trust this system for a long time. They go

641
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: after the ball, they're around the ball a lot. I

642
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: think to your point, they're speeding up some decision making.

643
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: They're also very aggressive trying to punch things out. So

644
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: this team hadn't turned the ball over yet in two games.

645
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Speaker 1: It's going to be a miracle if they don't turn

646
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: it over tonight against what is an extremely aggressive defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I totally agree.

648
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Speaker 2: I think I couldn't I could have said any better myself,

649
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: Like that's like, that's the main concern for me is

650
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: this offense has been crazy efficient in terms of protecting

651
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: the football, and that always allows you to be in

652
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: the game because if your defense is able to sneak

653
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: one or two, you're able to gain two possessions like

654
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: in a game and you have and turn the football over,

655
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 2: that's excellent. But in this game, like that's going to

656
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: be the real challenge, like b Rob holding on the football,

657
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 2: Austin Eckler with great ball security, and then Jayden Daniels

658
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: consistent like you I heard you.

659
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Speaker 3: You did a I was listening to a podcast you

660
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: did last night.

661
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: You were talking about how effective Jade Daniels been about

662
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: not turning the football over. I think that becomes even

663
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: more important tonight, Like it becomes such an important thing.

664
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Speaker 2: It's always important, but in a game where you might

665
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: be a little bit outmatched offensively, like it becomes kind

666
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: of the most important thing is offensive efficiency, staying on

667
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: the field and protecting.

668
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Speaker 1: The football, Like I'm with you on Like in the

669
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: first game, it felt like the internal clock was really

670
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: sped up. But it was his it was his debut.

671
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: He's taking on a defense with exotic blitz packages. They're

672
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: blitzing forty percent of the time, Like, no kidding. But

673
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: at no point in time we did have the sack fumble.

674
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: But at no point in time did he instinctually make

675
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: what I thought was a bad decision with the ball.

676
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: He didn't throw it in a bad spot. It was

677
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: never close to being intercepted. Did he vacate the pocket

678
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: a little too soon, sure, you know, like we could

679
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: parse out and nitpick some of the things he did.

680
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: And in week two, similarly, a lot less blitz is

681
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: coming his way, maybe sped up a little bit at times,

682
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: but again, instinctually, he's not putting the ball in Harm's way.

683
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: He's not making poor decisions, and to that this is

684
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: where I'm very positive. And as Fred Smooth put it,

685
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: if this is ground zero, what's next for him? Because

686
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: he's playing the position really well, and obviously we're hoping

687
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: there's you know, he's going to improve and prove and prove.

688
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: But the part about his game that really impresses me

689
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: to this point, go watch the other rookie quarterbacks that

690
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: are out there, or any young quarterback or the ones

691
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: that's taking years like Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield to

692
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: find a spot where they're not turning the ball over regularly.

693
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: This is off to a really good start from that perspective.

694
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: You win or tie the turnover battle you're in every

695
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: game that you play, and he's not putting them to

696
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: this point in Harm's way. I do think that's going

697
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: to be tested tonight. But it's the most impressive part

698
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: of his game to me to this point.

699
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And again I think the thing about

700
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: this the game tonight that is so compelling is I

701
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: think this is going to be the biggest challenge for

702
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: him so far this year. You know, you mentioned the

703
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: prime time environment. We haven't even talked about Trey Hendricks yet.

704
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: He was an absolute maniac. But the coverage in the

705
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: back end are you trust? And again I look at

706
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: Cliff and I say, you've done. You did a great

707
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: job against the giants of kind of easing him into

708
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: that game plan, easing him into that game, excuse me,

709
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: like with kind of easy RPOs, quick game you know

710
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: these kind of quick pre snap reads in terms of screen,

711
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: no screen, that type of stuff. So can you do

712
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: that tonight? And what is at Roumo's plan? Like he

713
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: has seen this, he understands the issues that Cliff Kingsbury's

714
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: offense is going to present.

715
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: Like what is his solution? Like does he play a

716
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: lot of man here?

717
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: Does he kind of change his coverage philosophy to kind

718
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: of say, hey, like we want Jade Daniels to beat

719
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: us from the pocket.

720
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Speaker 3: Like I really think there's a lot of really.

721
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: Compelling things happening on that side of the football to

722
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: stop us. And again, how does Jade and Daniels, How

723
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: does Cliff Kingsbury does his offensive staff manage and handle

724
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: that while still being able to maintain some of the

725
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: some of the ball efficiency that you just talked about there.

726
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: Okay, let me get to Terry McLaurin. He was another

727
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: humongous topic, you know, this entire week. The number with

728
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: him is yards per catch is under five. Okay, So

729
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: they haven't found a way to unlock him. It's not

730
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: that he's not part of the game plan. He's the

731
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 1: most targeted receiver. They just haven't figured out a way

732
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: to put him in a spot to be effective. The

733
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: two shots that they've taken in two games were in

734
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: the Tampa game, neither ended up being complete, and one

735
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: was a near miss at the beginning of the second

736
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: half against the Buccaneers. So as you think about Terry

737
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: and his role in this offense, what is Cliff Kingsbury

738
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: thinking about to try to find some space for him

739
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: to work.

740
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know, there were shots in

741
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: the Giants game. The Giants just covered it well, you know,

742
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: So I do think I think that number will definitely

743
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: level out here. You know, maybe levels out tonight and

744
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: maybe as an explosive play, and we're not talking about

745
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: his you know, under five yards per catch average anymore.

746
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: I think it just it's such a small sample size

747
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: this early in the season. I don't think we can

748
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: like make those conclusions because again, like if he hits

749
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: if he hits the ball the first incomplete ball versus

750
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay, we're not having this conversation. Then there's the

751
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: one that Jane misses. Then there's the two that the

752
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: Giants cover like they're trying to get the football down

753
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: the field.

754
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: But I do give Cliff a lot of credit.

755
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: They have been very selective about those moments, and I

756
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: think that's really smart. I think you want to be

757
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: selective about when you take those chances because a the

758
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: young quarterback you want to feel very comfortable. But B

759
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: it's also the offensive line too, you know, kind of

760
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: insulating that group and keeping them protected. So I do

761
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: think that number will definitely change. Hopefully it changes tonight.

762
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: Hopefully there's an explosive play. To Terry, we can stop

763
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: talking about this. But to me, I'm not worried about it.

764
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: Just like when I watched the All twenty two I'm like, Oh,

765
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: they're trying to get this done. For whatever reason, it

766
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: didn't work out, so hopefully tonight's tonight and they're ready

767
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: to go.

768
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: And they hit on a.

769
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: Couple of those explosive plays to him, and this offense

770
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: looks amazing and we're coming out of here with a dub.

771
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: But and again, if Terry gets an explosive I think

772
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: that's going to be a huge part of our offensive success,

773
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: because we just talked about at the top, like, if

774
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: you find explosive plays, usually you're finding ways to win

775
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: the football game. So again, I'm not that worried about it,

776
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: and we'll see how it goes for the rest of

777
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: the year. But I think we need more data points,

778
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: we need more games, and I'm very confident Terry's going

779
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 2: to find ways to impact this game, and I'm very

780
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: confident Cliff's going to find ways to include them in

781
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: the game plan.

782
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, So let me get to what is,

783
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, seemingly on its face, the path to victory

784
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: for them offensively, which is, here's a team that rushed

785
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: for over two hundred yards as a team a week ago,

786
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson at a career high. They're running the ball

787
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. Cincinnati's given up one

788
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty yards per game to New England and

789
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: Kansas City. They're missing Sheldon Rankins. BJ Hill is probably

790
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: not going to play. They're calling up guys off the

791
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: street and off the practice squad. They had a draft

792
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: pick that got hurt in the middle of training camp.

793
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: He's not available to them, so they're they're weak in

794
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: injury in the middle of the line. They're already not

795
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: defending the run very well. This is Washington's strength. Explain

796
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: to me how this is not a heavy run offense

797
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: tonight for Washington.

798
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: Well, I think it is. I think it's going to

799
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: I think it has to be to a certain level.

800
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: But I think you got to look at how Cliff

801
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: did it and against the Giants, it wasn't like we're

802
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: not coming out, We're not running the ball, run, run, run, No,

803
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 2: it's hey, we got to spread them out. We've got

804
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: to earn the right to throw to run the football.

805
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: And I think that's one thing I really appreciated. Uh,

806
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: you know, watching watching that Giants game is it reminded

807
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: me a lot of Kyle in terms of approach, Like

808
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: Kyle and Sean and Mike McDaniel and Matt Lafleura, like,

809
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: they'll never find offensive coordinators more motivated to run the

810
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: football than those guys. But the thing about them is

811
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: they're very fastidious about not running into bad looks. And

812
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: I think when you look at what made this group

813
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: so effective running the football is their ability to not

814
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 2: run in the bad look And they ran into favorable

815
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: box counts right a bunch of times. B Rob's big

816
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: explosive run I think it was in the third quarter,

817
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: kind of on that double pool play. They're running into

818
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: a five man box and I can't tell you, I

819
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever seen I've ever seen a five

820
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: man box on first down ever with a tight end

821
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: or running back in the backfield.

822
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: Never. And so like Cliff earned that, he earned those looks.

823
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: He earned those explosive plays by being patient. So and

824
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: again it comes back to kind of a more you know,

825
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: a more what's the word. I'm looking for, a more

826
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: fundamental principle of football, and that you need to make

827
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: sure you're getting first downs your stacking plays. I think

828
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: about how kind of herky jerky the offense felt against

829
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: Tampa Bay because they weren't able to sustain these long drives.

830
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: They weren't able to get deep into the playbook. And

831
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: I look at the Giants game and it's like the

832
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: total opposite of that. We're able to get to some

833
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: trick plays. We're able to get to the run looks

834
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: we want, We've earned those looks. We're able to be

835
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: efficient on second and long in third and tens, like

836
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: with Jayden Daniels running the football, like, there's other elements

837
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: of the offense that are required to make sure you

838
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: can run the football efficiency and efficiently. And one is

839
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 3: stacking plays, one is earning the right opportunities, and the

840
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 3: other is being really really good on third down.

841
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: And so if you look at that game against the Giants,

842
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: obviously this team is amazing on third down. And so

843
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: that's that's the storyline I'm following. Averyone says, Oh, we

844
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: got to come out to run and run the ball

845
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: to win the game. It's more complicated than that. You

846
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: got to you got to get first downs, you got

847
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: to be efficient running the football, and if those things

848
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: all happen, then you're in a good spot. So that's

849
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: what I would say. It's like because Leu andor Room

850
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: is gonna have a plan. He's gonna have a plan

851
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: to stop the run. They know they're banged up, they

852
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: know that that's this team's strength, at least through two games.

853
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: They're going to have a plan to stop it. What

854
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: is Cliff's plan to get them out of that plan

855
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: and let us do what we want to do. And

856
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: I think again that talk about compelling moments, like we'll

857
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: know within the first quarter who's being successful with that.

858
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Well, we were talking a lot about this last night,

859
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: all right, So they know that they have their injuries,

860
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: they know this is Washington's strength. What do you expect

861
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: to see early from the Bengals defense to try to

862
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: force Washington out of running the ball right up the

863
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: middle of the field.

864
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: So, for me, it's just math. It always comes down

865
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: to math. I mentioned the five man box against the Giants, right,

866
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: And I don't care how good you are, how wonder

867
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: man you are from a personnel standpoint. If I say

868
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 2: everyone has a gap and then there's one free hitter

869
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: for the ball carrier, it's really hard to run the football.

870
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: It's really hard to run the football at any level. Right,

871
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: If you just have more guys committed to it, then.

872
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: We have blockers.

873
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 2: Basically, the problem is, like again I just talked about this,

874
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: I think that's the plan for Lou. I would assume

875
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: coming at the gate is just be plus one. That's

876
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is you have to earn the right

877
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: to run the ball by throwing these kind of little

878
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: dink and duck screens. Because like if you watch the Giants,

879
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: they came out with a very similar approach. Early in

880
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: that game, they had, you know, seven man box they

881
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: had six man boxes. But as the game went on

882
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: and we kept throwing those little dink and dunk kind

883
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: of RPO screens out on the perimeter, they started playing

884
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: four over three. There was three receivers to the right,

885
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: there's four receivers, there's four defensive players over there. If

886
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: you're doing that, then of course you can run the football.

887
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: And I look at how Jayden handled some of those

888
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: in terms of checking to runs when they needed to.

889
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: Like that's big time stuff. So to me, the game

890
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: plan out the gate is we're going to be We're

891
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: gonna beat you with math. So how am I going

892
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: to do that? I gotta play man coverage on the outside.

893
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: If I'm playing man coverage on the outside to take

894
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: away those screens and bubbles and all that kind of stuff,

895
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: and I'm going to press up on you, and I'm

896
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels like that gives me deep shots down the field,

897
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: which are lower percentage throws. So is he enticing me

898
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 2: to throw lower percentage throws lu and Roumo? Maybe? Also,

899
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: if he's playing man coverage, it makes Jaden a little

900
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: bit more effective as a scrambler. So there are drawbacks

901
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: to some of these things we're talking about, But I

902
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 2: do think that I think if if I'm luing Rouma,

903
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 2: I'm coming out with I'm playing the math game, or

904
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: I'm finding ways to artificially increase my chances from a

905
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: math perspective with line stunts, you know, like for example,

906
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: these Tampa two teams back in like the Indianapolis Cult heyday,

907
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: they'd stud four. They bring the linebackers straight down in

908
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: the B gap and basically what you've done is you've

909
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: taken the offensive line. You've made them double up on

910
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: guys they don't need to double up on, so you

911
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: have the free runner that way. So those are the

912
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: two ways I think he kind of comes out and

913
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: does it. But then what is the reaction of Cliff

914
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: and are we able to beat the weaknesses.

915
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: Of those new schemes that he's calling.

916
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am expecting some zone read tonight, and I'll

917
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: tell you why. So obviously the run game and the

918
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: effectiveness of it, you know, based on the attrition that

919
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: Cincinnati comes in with and the deficiency that they've shown

920
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: here early, and this is the strength just reads like

921
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: this is something there to try to take advantage of.

922
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Trey Hendrickson with you in

923
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: a minute, like personally, because he's off to an incredible

924
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: start to his season, dangerous, dangerous pass rusher, he's been

925
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: winning a ton But what he will do I don't

926
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: like when we were talking about earlier, Like if you

927
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: watch Burrow closely, what you'll see when the pressure around

928
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: the edge comes is he will step up. So here's

929
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: an opportunity for maybe our defensive players to make a play.

930
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: His tendency is to go to the outside, and we

931
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: I think can win, right, I think we can win.

932
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: In the interior offensive line against the backups that are

933
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: coming in for Cincinnati. It screams zone read to me

934
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: that there should be some opportunities with gaps between left tackle,

935
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: left guard, center, et cetera. Catch them, Jaden makes the

936
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: right call, pulls the ball down. There should be some

937
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: open gaps there, and that's why I expect zone read

938
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: maybe not to be prominently displayed, but could have big

939
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: moments for Washington if they catch and they catch Hendrickson

940
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: doing what he typically does, which is his tendency to

941
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: go around the outside with a speed rush.

942
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's how he rushes.

943
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: But you know, in terms of running, like how he

944
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: stops the run, he's usually pretty gaps sound. But again,

945
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: like that's one way to handle a really good football

946
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: player is to read that player. And again, if you

947
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: can stay efficient, if you can stay in second and manageable,

948
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: third and manageable like that play becomes way more effective.

949
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: And I think you saw the effectiveness. I think they

950
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: ran it three times against the Giants, because again, it

951
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: makes those rushers less effective than those short down in distance.

952
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: But if you're in a third and ten, like, it

953
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You can read that guy all day and

954
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: it's not going to change anything. So I definitely think

955
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: zone reid is going to be a big part of

956
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: the game plan. I think they got to be smarter

957
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: about winning, how they're implementing it, and so again something

958
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: for sure to keep an eye on. But yeah, they

959
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 2: definitely need to figure out a plan for our guy

960
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: Hendrickson and make sure that he doesn't ruin this game

961
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 2: and get some more tackles benched because he hasn't he

962
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: gotten a couple of guys bench this year. Yeah, I think, yes,

963
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: I want to understand.

964
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: Last week the rookie, the rookie tackle from the Chiefs

965
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: got benched.

966
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 3: Didn't Sumatia Atlanta yep?

967
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: The week before He's had an impact game. What are

968
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: these new metrics I've seen called quick rushes getting to

969
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: the backfield in a certain amount of time. He leads

970
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: the NFL with that. So why don't we get nerdy

971
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: with Professor Paulson here, Because while I'd like to try

972
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: to see if the Commanders can catch him and take

973
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: advantage of some of his speed tendencies the outside and

974
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: find a gap in between left tackle, left guard, et cetera,

975
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: however they formulate doing that. He's a real problem this year.

976
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: He's among the league leaders in sacks. Over the last

977
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: couple of years, he's had an extremely disruptive start. So

978
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: if you're Kingsbury and company. How are you thinking about

979
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: trying to limit Trey Hendrickson tonight?

980
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you just got to call a really

981
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 3: good game.

982
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: And I know that's like duh, But so what I

983
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: would say is, like we talked about managing first and

984
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: second down efficiency, and one of the things that he does,

985
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson does a really good job of is understanding

986
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: when it is a passing down and kind of selling

987
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: the farm on passing downs, which all good rushers do,

988
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: like Von Miller is excellent at that.

989
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: TJ. Watt is excellent at that. And so how do.

990
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: I limit his ability to assume it's a pass rushing

991
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: down is make sure I'm third manageable, right, third and two.

992
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: Because then you talked about then we can get into

993
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: some of our RPO stuff. We can get into some

994
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: of our z own read stuff and handle that quick game.

995
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: Is another way to really mitigate that guy that kind

996
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: of rusher's effectiveness, because like they predicate themselves on getoffs,

997
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: So if I'm always getting the ball out quickly, he

998
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: can never get in a rhythm in terms of attacking

999
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: the tackle and setting up multiple moves throughout the game.

1000
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: The other thing that I think is actually, you know,

1001
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: the more you think about it is going to be

1002
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: a huge part of this game is the screen game.

1003
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: And I look at how Cliff called it and when

1004
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: he called it against the Giants, and I thought it

1005
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: was very masterful in terms.

1006
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: Of insulating the offensive line.

1007
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 2: Because the screen again, it's much like the quick game,

1008
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: it just limits his ability to be super aggressive to

1009
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: the pass because he has to retrace and get back

1010
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: in on the play. But it all kind of circles

1011
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: around this principle. You cannot be and obvious passing downs

1012
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: a lot in this game.

1013
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: So what does your.

1014
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: First and second down efficiency look like? And that is

1015
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: maybe the number one tell number one key to eliminating

1016
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: a guy like that, Guys like that effectiveness. And I

1017
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: think back to, you know, when Montes Sweat was here

1018
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: and Chase was here, and how other teams would call

1019
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: a game. They would call a game to eliminate that

1020
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: group from the field. And I think that's kind of

1021
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: how you got to call a game here. And I

1022
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: think when you look at what Cliff did last week

1023
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: against New York, did a great job of doing the

1024
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: things we just talked about. Quick game, RPO zone read

1025
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: on that player to make sure that he can't impact

1026
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: the game, like you isolate him by him having to

1027
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: make a decision right and Jaydeen Daniel's ability to keep

1028
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: them in second and manageable third manageble by running the

1029
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: football on scrambles and design runs. So that's what I

1030
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: would look at is that's the way you kind of

1031
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: keep him out of the game. Now the problem is,

1032
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 2: let's say you have a bad we have a neutral

1033
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: run on a first down, it's second and ten, and

1034
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: then you have an Inglebley pass and a third and ten.

1035
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: You better believe he is coming with reckless abandon to

1036
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: come get the quarterback. Now, what's the plan. Do we

1037
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: send the slide to him? Do we always send the

1038
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: slide to him? That can be a little bit easier

1039
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: with an edge player, right, going to kind of work

1040
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: the three man slide to him so the guard can

1041
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: help out if he needs to probably chip help. Do

1042
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: you line a tight end over top of him so

1043
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: he can't get the correct angle to rush and that

1044
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: tight end could even be in a two point So

1045
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: those are some tools to kind of keep an eye

1046
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: on in those third down situations, third and long situations

1047
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: to kind of just make him a little bit uneasy,

1048
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: and again you're never going to fully be able to

1049
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: disrupt how effective he is. But those are some things,

1050
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: some tools that I would probably look at. Draws or

1051
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: another great example, quarterback scrambles are also super effective because

1052
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: it forces them to be more disciplined. So there's a

1053
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: lot of tools at the disposal, it's just about the implementation.

1054
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: And again that's one of the reasons I'm so excited

1055
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: to watch this game is because every it seems like

1056
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: at every position, there's a little chess match between the coordinator,

1057
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: between the player, between the individual matchup, whatever it is,

1058
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: and I can't wait to see how it chicks out.

1059
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Washington's had a lot of more than

1060
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: more success than you would think with a rookie quarterback

1061
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: on third and longs, but often it's been Jane's legs

1062
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: that have ended up getting the yardage that's been necessary.

1063
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: And I think to your point, you know, obviously a

1064
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: lot of attention is going to go to if they're

1065
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: in third and long situations, so they're gonna have to

1066
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: make decisions about that. Sam Hunter Sam Hubbard is a

1067
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: very good pass rusher on his own on the other side,

1068
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: and then I'm picturing the Cincinnati defense looking at Andrew

1069
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Wiley and thinking that there might be an advantage here

1070
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: and bringing someone and forcing him to make a choice.

1071
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: So I'm actually worried about the other side if they

1072
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: get into these third and long situations. I think third

1073
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: and long tonight is a death sentence for this team. Honestly,

1074
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like in the first couple of

1075
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: games they got by, I would describe it that they

1076
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: got by and oftentimes it was Jaden making some decisions

1077
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: to pull it down. Take Off made some great plays

1078
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: with his legs. This one feels a little to your point,

1079
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: I think this is the biggest challenge they faced from that,

1080
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: and I think this is going to be a tough

1081
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: one tonight. They need to be in third and manageables

1082
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: as much as possible this evening.

1083
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again that's like that's true of every team

1084
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: in the NFL, but there are certain teams that are

1085
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: better equipped to overcome it. And right now, even if

1086
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: you look at the offensive line construction for the Commanders,

1087
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: like those dudes are excellent in the run game, they're

1088
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 2: excellent in the screen game. They're excellent draws, they're excellent,

1089
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: like moving around straight drop back. You know, five step

1090
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: drop not great, and there are very few teams that

1091
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: are great at it. I think when you look at

1092
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and how they've constructed their offensive line, it's kind

1093
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: of the reverse, right, they're good at these like long

1094
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 2: drop back scenarios while they're bad on first and second down.

1095
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: So it's kind of the decisions that they've made or

1096
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: what they what they inherited from the previous regime. But again,

1097
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: like Jade Daniels in this in this instance is the

1098
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: ultimate trump card because as much as we want to

1099
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: talk about how good Trey Hendris is going to hit

1100
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson is, they have not played a quarterback like

1101
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: Jayde and Daniels in terms of his ability to run.

1102
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: And it really again, it affects your ability to be

1103
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: confident with your rush. Like you know, I do some

1104
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: consulting for three or four d ns around the league,

1105
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: and that is a thing that comes up every single

1106
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: week when you're playing a Russian quarterback. It's like, how

1107
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: do you stay aggressive with your rush but also maintain

1108
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: rush integrity and keep the pocket nice and tight. And

1109
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: so maybe they do that, maybe they're able to kind

1110
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: of say, hey, Trey. We're going to think more power rushers,

1111
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: more bowl rushes, off the edges, compress the pocket, force

1112
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: them to step up or force them to step back.

1113
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: That's something else to kind of keep an eye on

1114
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: with Hendrickson is like, do you say, hey, Sam Hubbard,

1115
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: you are a bull rush guy, only right down the

1116
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: screws of Wiley to compress the pocket down, force Jade

1117
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: Daniels to step back, and then Hubbard then Trey hundredsdon

1118
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: takes a nice ha angle around. So there are some

1119
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: things that you'll see from a four man rush perspective

1120
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 2: that's gonna that they'll utilize to try to get Jade

1121
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: Daniels where they want to get them from a pocket standpoint.

1122
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: But again, like I can't wait to see what those

1123
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: look like. There are a couple things that I just

1124
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: mentioned that they could do, but we won't know until

1125
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: tonight obviously.

1126
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: All right, last thing, I also believe a third and

1127
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: long I think is a death sentence for them. I

1128
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: think if they have if they're incapable of scoring when

1129
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: they have their opportunities like they did a week ago

1130
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: against the Giants, I think that's gonna be a problem too.

1131
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: So as you now have had like a week to

1132
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: think about zero for six in the red zone a

1133
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: week ago. What's just your general takeaway and how could

1134
00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: they execute better?

1135
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: Starting to well, I think the first thing is like,

1136
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: you cannot this offense isn't good enough to take negative plays,

1137
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: like when you're watching Kansas City, you know, last night

1138
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 2: on Sunday Night football against Atlanta, they take negative plays

1139
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: left and right, they take negative runs, they take penalties,

1140
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: and then they have this ultimate trump card back there

1141
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: and Patrick Mahomes is able to overcome. Most teams don't

1142
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: have that. So the things we're talking about are just

1143
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: like normal day one install stuff. Can you be efficient

1144
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: on third down? Can you be efficient on first and

1145
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: second down? And can you be efficient in the red zone.

1146
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: It's situational football, and I know that's kind of basic,

1147
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: but for a team like this, for a team like

1148
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: the Commanders, these things become even more important because the

1149
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 2: margin for error is so small. So for me, it's

1150
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: just can we not take penalties? And this is where

1151
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: the environment of Cincinnati I think becomes relevant, is because

1152
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: you had a whole bunch of false start penalties at home.

1153
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: It's going to be insanely loud here like, don't get

1154
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 2: it twisted. They're going to be turned up for tonight.

1155
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: And can you manage the game? Can you manage those

1156
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: pre snap processes and not draw penalties in the loudest

1157
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: moments of the game in the red zone, the when

1158
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: the home.

1159
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: Crowd is really juiced up.

1160
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: So to me, that's a major one because I don't

1161
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: think I actually don't think that the play calls were bad.

1162
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 3: I don't think the play designs were bad.

1163
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: It's just it comes down to not shooting yourself on

1164
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: the foot because most offenses, I don't care how good

1165
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: you are, you cannot operate from first and twenty. It

1166
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: just doesn't work right. You just put yourself behind the

1167
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: eight ball from the jump. So and no sacks. No,

1168
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: you cannot take negative plays in the red zone. You

1169
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: can't do it. It's just going to kill you. So

1170
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: that's something that I would say, like did you get

1171
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 2: that corrected? Does Jaden feel good because some of those

1172
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: he's taken sacks on RPOs? Like the ball needs to

1173
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: be out even if once you've pulled it you don't

1174
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: like what it looks like, throw it away.

1175
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: I don't care.

1176
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: Like we just got to be a little bit more

1177
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: efficient with that stuff. So no negative plays in the

1178
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: red zone. I know that's like great football analysis, but like,

1179
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: make sure the quarterback feels comfortable, make sure he knows

1180
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: he can get the ball out, and let's get some

1181
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 2: points on the board. Because the play designs were not bad,

1182
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: it just came down to, for whatever reason, inside the fifteen,

1183
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: inside the twenty, execution was not where it would be.

1184
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: I agree with you. And this happened in the Tampa

1185
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: game too. This team, and it's all new, they're not

1186
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: equipped yet to make up for the mistakes that occur,

1187
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: especially in a situation like that. And I think this

1188
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: was underrated too, because I thought Jayden played very well

1189
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: and again is instinctually playing in general really well. And

1190
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: he's not putting the ball in arms way it's really important.

1191
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: He's clearly capable of these really electric plays, specifically with

1192
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: his legs. He took two sacks in the red zone,

1193
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: now one of them, you know, and both in both

1194
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: cases there were throwaways there. Eat it, throw it away,

1195
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: get to the next play, don't take a negative play.

1196
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: In one of those cases, he checked into the Eckler

1197
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: run that went third and fourteen to fourth and one.

1198
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: They gave them a shot, right, they gave them a shot,

1199
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 1: and then they had the pen that was the first

1200
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: of the three penalties that backed them up again, and

1201
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: they chose to kick a field goal there. But like

1202
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: it's him too, Like it's everybody. It's not just him.

1203
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: He took two sacks on red zone in red zone

1204
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: territory as well, So it's everybody, and they're still learning

1205
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: as they go here.

1206
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's something you know that you're I can't

1207
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: tell you how many meetings I've said and where that's

1208
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: been the discussion. We got to be more efficient in

1209
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: the red zone. We got to be more efficient in

1210
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: two minutes, we got to be more efficient on third down.

1211
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: It's I think the million dollar question is how you

1212
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 2: do that. I feel like after watching the New York

1213
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: game and after watching the Tampa Bay game, the path

1214
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: for this team is very is relatively simple. It's let's

1215
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: be better with our pre snap process season, let's not

1216
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 2: take sacks.

1217
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 3: And so those are.

1218
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: Kind of easily I want to say, relatively easily corrected.

1219
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: You know, obviously Jade Daniels is trying to make a

1220
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 2: play on two of those sacks. But I think it's

1221
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: about that's again where he's learning what he can and

1222
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 2: cannot get away with as a runner, and like when

1223
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: it's time to kind of you know, get you know,

1224
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 2: like take the loss and throw the ball away or whatever.

1225
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: So that again, that'll come with time. But I think

1226
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: the pre snap stuff like that, again, that's something that

1227
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: I think can be improved on just by making it

1228
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: a point of emphasis. And hopefully it's better this week,

1229
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: and hopefully they score some touchdowns, which which I which

1230
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm really excited for maybe Jane daniels first touchdown of

1231
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: the season, So I really really excited for those things

1232
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 2: in the red zone specifically, and really excited see how

1233
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: Jade Daniels just handles this Luin Romo Divas defense in general,

1234
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 2: and again like he's gonna have some special stuff dialed

1235
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 2: up throughout the game, but also specifically in the red zone.

1236
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: So really really interesting matchup from that standpoint.

1237
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: This is really a great matchup in a big time

1238
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: primetime spot, and I think like we're both on the

1239
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: same page about this. There's a lot of unanswered questions

1240
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: and I think this is this is a heck of

1241
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: a matchup to find out a lot about where this

1242
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: team is regardless of the outcome. I think this is

1243
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: a big time opportunity to find out kind of where

1244
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: they are on both sides of the ball.

1245
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: Honestly, no, I totally think so too. And you know,

1246
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: like we didn't talk about the Giants in our kind

1247
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 2: of preview of the division or review of the division,

1248
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: but they beat the Cleveland Browns and look pretty gosh

1249
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: start and good doing it. So maybe maybe the Giants

1250
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: are better than they think, and you know, maybe the

1251
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: Cowboys are worse than we think, and maybe Philly is

1252
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: exactly what we thought. But the moral of the story

1253
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: is it's open. And the thing about the NFL is

1254
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: every single week, if the game plans right, if the

1255
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: stars aligned correctly, you can win the game. And so

1256
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 2: I haven't felt that way in a long time about

1257
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: this team. But I think with Jayden Daniels at the

1258
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: quarterback spot and some of the new energy with the coaches,

1259
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: you're like, man like, maybe they can do it. If

1260
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: the plans right, if they put these guys in a

1261
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: good spot and the guys execute it, it gets there.

1262
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 2: So I'm encouraged and I think that's what And again,

1263
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 2: like Cincinnati, I think is a roster but like this

1264
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: team could be better coached potentially, and I will see tonight,

1265
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 2: and I think that's another thing I'm really excited to see.

1266
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also we just we also have not had

1267
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: the cheat code quarterback in a very long time, and

1268
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing the beginnings of that. Where we

1269
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: talk about these things where you go, can this team

1270
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: overcome mistakes? And you're like, well, the Chiefs have that

1271
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: guy back there doing that. Maybe we do too, And

1272
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too far ahead of it,

1273
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: but like at some point, maybe we do too, and

1274
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: we'll find out.

1275
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and we'll find out tonight. But these are

1276
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: the types of games where you find out, right, does

1277
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 2: he make a big play? You know, does he make

1278
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: that big completion of Terry? Does he make the right

1279
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: decision on his own read to the red zone and

1280
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: walk in for a touchdown? Like these are the moments

1281
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: And I hate to put it all on the young guy,

1282
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: and I think credit to Dan and credit it to Cliff,

1283
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: like they haven't put it all on him. But he's

1284
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 2: going to need to make some play tonight, and if

1285
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 2: he does, like that'll be really exciting obviously because it

1286
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Speaker 2: will kind of to your point show that we're on

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Speaker 2: that path of finding the guy as opposed to, you know,

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Speaker 2: someone who's still growing and kind of figuring it out.

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Speaker 1: All right, Logan, I'm excited for tonight seeing the boot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, looking forward to it.