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Speaker 1: Scott Mather's chief investment officer at PIMCO, made his way

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Speaker 1: I know, did you tweeted it you'd be on at

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Speaker 1: nine thirty here the jobs numbers today, we're seeing a

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Speaker 1: course of this year. Scott. Your your background at PEN

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Speaker 1: we have negative interest rates overlaid upon that. How can you,

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Speaker 1: And you have people saying, well, inflation expectations appear to

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