Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast.
Speaker 1: This week I am joined by Kevin van Valkenberg of ESPN.
Speaker 1: Kevin and I did something a little bit different this week.
Speaker 1: We took on the make believe role of Golf Zar,
Speaker 1: where each of us were co chairs of the position
Speaker 1: and came up with five ideas to change golf. It
Speaker 1: was fun, a little bit different format, and on top
Speaker 1: of that, we discuss what's been going on the tour
Speaker 1: this season last week at RBC, and then we looked
Speaker 1: ahead to next week's PGA Championship at Belle Reeve. I
Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoy the conversation with Kevin.
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Speaker 2: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 3: And when I find my.
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Speaker 3: I'm about ready to run off of the hump course.
Speaker 1: Did you watch last week?
Speaker 2: I only watched the little bits of it as I
Speaker 2: was traveling for vacation stuff, so I can only comment
Speaker 2: vaguely and generally about DJ.
Speaker 1: And Spuch yeah, I think that's all that. The takeaway
Speaker 1: from last week was is that, yeah, dj is really
Speaker 1: good at golf.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it's hard to be really good every week,
Speaker 2: so like he does it better than most. And that's
Speaker 2: still even if you only have one major, Like that's okay,
Speaker 2: that still means you really good at golf.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When he I mean he is. It's funny because
Speaker 1: he's what thirty four now, yeah, so thirty four he's
Speaker 1: so he's got ten more years in front of him.
Speaker 3: M h.
Speaker 1: I mean we're going to be talking about probably close
Speaker 1: to forty wins. Yeah, probably another major or two.
Speaker 3: You would think, yeah, at least one major, I would think.
Speaker 2: You know, he's probably you know, even pick to win
Speaker 2: the PGA next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That golf course is going to fit him really well.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see see a Bomber heavy
Speaker 1: board next week. But I mean, you're starting to get
Speaker 1: into the top maybe twenty golfers of all time, top thirty.
Speaker 2: What is the what is DJD to do to get
Speaker 2: into the top, say, top twenty golfers of all time?
Speaker 2: Because he would he need to win if he wins,
Speaker 2: no more majors, but wins like forty, has forty wins,
Speaker 2: probably got to make a pretty good case that he
Speaker 2: is regardless of the lack of majors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got all those WGCs, which I think value
Speaker 1: or are pretty good value, you know, in terms of wins.
Speaker 1: I think. I think two majors though, is kind of
Speaker 1: like an it's got you have to have two majors.
Speaker 1: I think there's I think there's sixty guys that have
Speaker 1: won two majors. That's yeah, and so like I think,
Speaker 1: I think having two majors is like really big. I mean,
Speaker 1: Zach Johnson's got too.
Speaker 3: Yes, he does it.
Speaker 1: He's a He's another interesting guy when it comes to career.
Speaker 1: You know, is he a hall of Famer?
Speaker 3: I think he is.
Speaker 2: I don't see how you can't put him in the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. I mean there's I mean, look, he's
Speaker 2: going to get into the Hall of Fame. I think
Speaker 2: regardless of whether he we really feel like he is
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer. But I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: he is a Hall of famer. Like that's you know,
Speaker 2: some of it might be over achieved your talent, but
Speaker 2: I mean two majors on two iconic courses, he's got
Speaker 2: what like fourteen thirteen wins somewhere in there that might
Speaker 2: overset that.
Speaker 1: I think that's about right. Yeah, how do you how
Speaker 1: do you count worldwide wins versus PGA tour wind?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know Calgary player counts them pretty much.
Speaker 2: Anything with like four guys throwing money in a pot
Speaker 2: as a win. But yeah, I would say depends on
Speaker 2: the field, right, I mean you got to have like
Speaker 2: at least you know, at least some I would say,
Speaker 2: what like twenty five other like top four hundred players
Speaker 2: or something for it to really count. I mean you're
Speaker 2: otherwise like who are you beating? And on some of
Speaker 2: these euro events where you know, the highest ranked players
Speaker 2: sixteenth in the next highest ranked players like seventy fifth,
Speaker 2: like what you know, how was that?
Speaker 3: How was that the same quality of win as you know,
Speaker 3: Bridge Stone or Arnold Palmer or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's almost like there needs to be like a waiting
Speaker 1: because but yeah, I mean a win is is so
Speaker 1: I mean, where would my boy Westy be if you waited?
Speaker 1: Like runner ups and majors?
Speaker 3: Are we still in the way.
Speaker 2: I know that you feel that ELS is better than
Speaker 2: mix and career wise, but can we make the are
Speaker 2: you going to are willing to stand up and make
Speaker 2: the case that Westy had a better career than mix Center.
Speaker 1: No, it's too much. I think Westy was like it's
Speaker 1: going to be.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: What I love about west is like he legit lost
Speaker 1: his game, Yeah, like it was gone for like three years.
Speaker 1: I always I like guys that like lose their game, Okay,
Speaker 1: come back. I think it's just it shows a little
Speaker 1: bit more grit, you know, and like I don't know,
Speaker 1: so many of these guys end up getting onto her
Speaker 1: at age twenty three now or twenty two, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, seeing people go through struggles like is that's
Speaker 1: part of the journey as a golfer, I kind of think,
Speaker 1: And it's why I think sometimes like the best players
Speaker 1: are the most boring players.
Speaker 2: That is correct, Yes, that's what I think. Tiger's more
Speaker 2: compelling now than he was at the height. Like I
Speaker 2: don't know, for me, that's just my personal feeling.
Speaker 3: And I've always felt.
Speaker 2: Like to me, he was much more relatable and rootable
Speaker 2: at this at this inevitable kind of comeback. And so
Speaker 2: that's the guy I've always been wanting to sort of
Speaker 2: root for, Like I don't know that I could say
Speaker 2: that I wanted Tiger to win back when he was awesome.
Speaker 3: But now I definitely want him to win.
Speaker 2: And yeah, obviously, like a lot of that's my personal bias,
Speaker 2: but I'm I'm totally like in on this Tiger comeback.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's a human for like the first
Speaker 1: time in his career.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, like hugging Crime with his kids and telling
Speaker 2: him like, yeah, I just try my best, like that
Speaker 2: never would have happened to me.
Speaker 3: The most human moment of his career is when he.
Speaker 2: Hugged seveter the the Open Championship at Hoylake and just
Speaker 2: was you know, completely laid bare, like thinking about his dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's Holake, right, Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: was Hoylake.
Speaker 2: I didn't hook slily after he and I played Hoylake
Speaker 2: and I shot like eighty four eighty six.
Speaker 3: Maybe I didn't know. That wasn't the crying moment for me.
Speaker 3: But the routing was different. They didn't have the eighteenth
Speaker 3: total like it was when Rory won it either, so.
Speaker 1: The grand stands were not either.
Speaker 2: So right, Yeah, I mean that's pretty key moment to
Speaker 2: have the grand stands.
Speaker 1: Up the Tiger. I mean the downside of him being
Speaker 1: a human is like, you know, robot Tiger of the
Speaker 1: mid two thousand wouldn't have would have won that tournament
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, car Newsty like it would
Speaker 1: have been game over he hit the back nine. Yes,
Speaker 1: like human Tiger has. He has issues that he has
Speaker 1: to get over.
Speaker 3: That's true, but that's what makes more awesome.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I really feel like the most Tiger
Speaker 2: Major of all time is going to come, like in
Speaker 2: the next three or four years, when he turns like
Speaker 2: and puts up a thirty on the back nine Augusta
Speaker 2: and just snatches one from I don't know, someone who
Speaker 2: you think is just running away with it.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit crazy that this golf season is
Speaker 1: like almost over.
Speaker 3: Yes, it truly is.
Speaker 2: Imagine how it'll feel when the PGA is moved up
Speaker 2: and after the British were like, oh well, what is.
Speaker 3: There to look forward to.
Speaker 1: I'm curious your take on PGA and may do you
Speaker 1: think it's better?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: I mean it'll bring different courses into play, right, and
Speaker 2: that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I just feel like the
Speaker 3: PGA has no identity, like.
Speaker 2: I everybody who's trudging out Saint Louis, myself included. It's like, really,
Speaker 2: like why are we going to this course? And what
Speaker 2: is what does anyone can I mean to me, like
Speaker 2: you just if you win a PGA, it's worth like,
Speaker 2: you know, zero point seventy.
Speaker 3: Five other majors.
Speaker 2: And so I guess maybe moving it up into the
Speaker 2: middle of the season makes it sort of a better
Speaker 2: part of the narrative as opposed to sort of.
Speaker 3: Like oh the afterthought other major. But I don't know
Speaker 3: what's your take.
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, I think like j Monahan,
Speaker 1: this might go down in his career is like the
Speaker 1: greatest move the greatest like robbery of all time. Okay,
Speaker 1: because August there's like nothing going on. Yeah, Like the
Speaker 1: PGA has like I think it's almost done well for
Speaker 1: what it is because of its date in August. And
Speaker 1: you go to May, like if it's on the West Coast,
Speaker 1: and I'm like an NBA basketball nut, like I'd much
Speaker 1: rather watch like the finals of the NBA, Like you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're budding into like conference finals, Like why would
Speaker 1: you go into contend against the NHL and the NBA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in May versus. And you know, the other thing about
Speaker 1: May is like most of the country is just getting
Speaker 1: into golf season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, So.
Speaker 1: I think you're just it's just a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a bad deal for the PGA. I don't know how
Speaker 1: they got them convinced him to do it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know, the European Tours gotta be doing backflips.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was trying to think, like, what's the most memorable
Speaker 2: PGA in your lifetime, Bob May, Yeah, that's it. But
Speaker 2: other than that, like, you know, does anybody really remember
Speaker 2: even like I don't know, like Michaelson att Balta Strawl
Speaker 2: or like Tiger att you know he beat Paul Casey.
Speaker 2: What was that that uta? Yeah, just boring, like nothing.
Speaker 1: The Sergio Tiger one was pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was probably that probably is up there too.
Speaker 2: But other than that, like, I don't know it just
Speaker 2: hope hopefully this will make it. You know, it makes
Speaker 2: it very easily that someone could get hot and win
Speaker 2: the Masters and the PGA in that quick stretch and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, like it seems more fun
Speaker 2: that the Grand Slam is in play or somebody's like
Speaker 2: on a roll for having a huge season, Like I'm
Speaker 2: in on that.
Speaker 1: It does put it in four straight months, which is
Speaker 1: kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but most seasons of other sports are just in
Speaker 3: a four month window.
Speaker 1: Right You You don't remember when Rory, you know, fended
Speaker 1: off David Lynn with the title at Kiowa.
Speaker 3: That is one of my least memorable PGAs.
Speaker 1: I will say, yes, I mean David Lynn.
Speaker 3: David Lynn and wasn't Uh, Carl Petterson was like third.
Speaker 1: And that hot Carl Petterson was third. There's there was
Speaker 1: four four Englishmen in the top the top three, I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean that's one of those Tiger Majors that no
Speaker 2: one talks about where he was sort of in it
Speaker 2: and then just completely like didn't wasn't a factor in
Speaker 2: the end because he was like midway through, right, he
Speaker 2: was only like a couple shots off the lead, like
Speaker 2: if you remember watching some of it like that, and
Speaker 2: he was sort of kind of a factor and then.
Speaker 3: Rory just completely blew the vaporized field.
Speaker 2: But that's like when he you know, people always talk
Speaker 2: about Tigers Majors about how like they none of them
Speaker 2: existed after two thousand and eight, But he was like
Speaker 2: in contention in a lot of like Royal Saint George's
Speaker 2: and like, you know, the Olympic Field, Olympic Fields, and
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of Tiger Majors that when we talk
Speaker 2: about Curnesy, like you probably should have won, so there
Speaker 2: at least, yeah, a couple of those other ones that
Speaker 2: he just wasn't even he kind of just completely faded
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as so Rory that year went sixty seven, seventy five,
Speaker 1: sixty seven, sixty six, Like I mean, he had he
Speaker 1: shot seventy five and still won by uh he said,
Speaker 1: seventy five and a round still one by eight.
Speaker 3: That might be the most Rory major of all time actually,
Speaker 3: now that I think about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's kind of it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: That's that's something that I'm kind of perplexed by. It's
Speaker 1: just is Rory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, I spent like a year sort
Speaker 2: of trying to write a piece about him, like after
Speaker 2: it was after twenty fourteen, and it was actually like
Speaker 2: a lot more of an interesting year in terms of
Speaker 2: I think it was. I followed him around for fifteen
Speaker 2: and then like dropped a piece like at the beginning
Speaker 2: of sixteen like in The Masters, and essentially the thesis
Speaker 2: of it was like Rory doesn't really know what he wants,
Speaker 2: and I in terms of like does he want to
Speaker 2: have Tiger's career, does he want to have Mixon's career?
Speaker 3: Does he want to have like his normal life?
Speaker 2: And I think, like I think for a while, he
Speaker 2: really I still don't know like if if we figured
Speaker 2: that out, Like I think he definitely wants a more
Speaker 2: normal life, and it's clear like he didn't want to
Speaker 2: basically like alienate everyone around him and have no close
Speaker 2: friends and be obsessed with pursue of greatness like Tiger.
Speaker 2: But I'm still not sure exactly if he's figured out,
Speaker 2: like you know, does he how great does he sort
Speaker 2: of want to be?
Speaker 3: Or like does that even?
Speaker 2: Is that even like just silly sports amateur psychoanalysis, And
Speaker 2: then he's trying really really hard to be great, and
Speaker 2: just because it's not winning, it allows people like me
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, you just don't want it enough,
Speaker 2: which is silly.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's a great question.
Speaker 1: Well, he also has like the there's like a blessing
Speaker 1: and a curse of being the first superstar in the
Speaker 1: sport post Tiger yeah, and with that came like he's
Speaker 1: the first superstar that's dealt with like Tiger Riches. That's
Speaker 1: not Tiger, that's true, you know, and that I think
Speaker 1: the money thing is like a big thing because I mean,
Speaker 1: what was he nineteen when he had that Emirates deal.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been getting crazy endorsement money since, you know,
Speaker 1: a really young age. And then you go and you
Speaker 1: factor in just like I just I mean, it's hard
Speaker 1: to be really good at golf for a really long time, yes,
Speaker 1: And it's like there's so much time you have to
Speaker 1: put in to improve and everybody's gotten better at golf,
Speaker 1: Like the level of play has certainly gotten better, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of factors with that that that go
Speaker 1: into it. But like part of that is like it's
Speaker 1: just really hard to get better once you reach higher
Speaker 1: levels of golf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and it's like everyone has that kind of
Speaker 2: a window where they're like truly great. And I think
Speaker 2: Rory's points out a couple of times, like most guys
Speaker 2: win all their majors in like a eight nine year
Speaker 2: period and you know, maybe you're already sort of had
Speaker 2: his Like I mean, when is Roy's career that much
Speaker 2: dramatically different than Tom Watson's other than the fact that
Speaker 2: there there wasn't as many talented people around, you know,
Speaker 2: when Watson was winning his eight majors or whatever, Like
Speaker 2: I always thought that that was Rory's kind of benchmark
Speaker 2: because like Watson's career or you know that, you know,
Speaker 2: six seven, eight majors like that, that would be an
Speaker 2: enormous amount in today's game.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if he's gonna get there.
Speaker 1: It's it's quite fascinating. I uh, just looking what the
Speaker 1: thing I think that majors. It's it's crazy because I
Speaker 1: think the depth of great players is a little bit higher,
Speaker 1: Like we were just talking about with like there's more
Speaker 1: like the level of play has increased. Is that winning
Speaker 1: a major is so much harder, But like that's just
Speaker 1: the way people are evaluated, Like, yeah, would DJ go
Speaker 1: home with say he doesn't win again this year three wins?
Speaker 1: Was this year a disappointment because he didn't get a major? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like and then you could say this exact same thing,
Speaker 1: like rattling down the top ten, like if Spith doesn't
Speaker 1: win a major, is this year a disappointment? I like
Speaker 1: think this year obviously hasn't been great for Speed, you know,
Speaker 1: and yet he's.
Speaker 3: In two majors.
Speaker 2: Like I was thinking that exact same thing or this year,
Speaker 2: Like would you like overrated or underrated Speed's entire season?
Speaker 2: Like would you would he trade it for you know,
Speaker 2: previous year where he might have had three wins but
Speaker 2: didn't contend in a Major's a good question. I mean,
Speaker 2: he could have won two majors this year. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: yet he's had like a pretty bad season for his standards.
Speaker 1: What about Ricky.
Speaker 3: Man? Rick to me is like the biggest conundrum in
Speaker 3: the whole thing, Like I have, I've rowed for Rick
Speaker 3: for a while and then I've been like critical of
Speaker 3: him and then I sort of got back on it.
Speaker 2: I really thought that, like Carneisty was going to be
Speaker 2: his major, and he just was never really a factor.
Speaker 2: I just thought, you know, he's creative, he can, he's
Speaker 2: a great win player. He's especially a pretty good putter
Speaker 2: on flag means that I don't know why it wasn't
Speaker 2: there for him.
Speaker 1: It's it's ah, he's a fascinating case study. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the consistency level of his play throughout like the
Speaker 1: last I don't know, five years has been out of
Speaker 1: this world good, you know, like very few players. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a he's been a top ten player despite not
Speaker 1: winning a lot, and that doesn't really happen.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: You look at like the top ten in the world,
Speaker 1: they win a lot and he doesn't win a lot.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 2: I sort of said at the US Open last year,
Speaker 2: at some point like if you're a generally a great,
Speaker 2: generationally great player, you got to win a couple of these,
Speaker 2: like you know, one or two, Like you know, as
Speaker 2: we said, Zac Johnson's got two majors. Ricky is a
Speaker 2: way more talented player than Jack Johnson. And so you know,
Speaker 2: at some point, doesn't don't you have to kind of say, like, okay,
Speaker 2: like if if un let's if we that sports has
Speaker 2: not played on a spreadsheet or in a computer. At
Speaker 2: some point, your inability to shoot like a good round
Speaker 2: in on a Sunday when you're in contention at a
Speaker 2: major and win it is sort of a knock on you.
Speaker 2: And you know what, He's shot a great round in
Speaker 2: the Masters this year, and Patrick Greed, you know, just
Speaker 2: barely hung on. So like I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: often with him, I'm arguing out of both sides of
Speaker 2: my mouth, Like it's a little bit of circumstantial bias, right, Like,
Speaker 2: so I'm saying he's he should do this, and then
Speaker 2: the Masters he did kind of do it, and he
Speaker 2: still didn't win. So but at some point over over time,
Speaker 2: all those things add up, aren't you ever? Like, hey,
Speaker 2: when is this going to work out for you?
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a hard answer to me.
Speaker 1: Rick's Majors, like it always comes down to one moment,
Speaker 1: Like I like, I can't get over like he made
Speaker 1: a triple last year in the first round at Coyle
Speaker 1: Hollow because he like tried to hit an absurd shot
Speaker 1: out of a fairway bunker, and like nobody wins majors
Speaker 1: with triples. But at the Masters this year, it was
Speaker 1: that second shot on thirteen, Yeah, where like you, I
Speaker 1: was looking at this, I'm like, what is he doing
Speaker 1: before he hit it? And then he hits it right
Speaker 1: in the water, and it's like, why did he do that?
Speaker 1: Like you just lay up and make you know, like
Speaker 1: you're probably from there. Your average score if he had
Speaker 1: just laid up was like four to three, you know,
Speaker 1: and he might have made a three if he hit
Speaker 1: a miraculous shot from from where he was, but the
Speaker 1: you know, the percentages were probably just about the same.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about majors is it comes down
Speaker 1: to like a bounce here or a you know, a
Speaker 1: putt dropping there, And I don't know, that's what always
Speaker 1: it always sticks with Like I think you can almost
Speaker 1: go through every major Ricky's been close at and you
Speaker 1: find one hole where it's just like, what were you
Speaker 1: doing here?
Speaker 3: I think you look.
Speaker 2: I often think about that very thing when we're thinking
Speaker 2: of like Nicholas's career and if you you know, when
Speaker 2: they put up all those old masters online, it was
Speaker 2: sort of really fascinating to watch like how conservative Nicholas played,
Speaker 2: but that was just who he was. Like he was
Speaker 2: just gonna basically like make other guys make mistakes, just
Speaker 2: wear them down and never do a truly dumb thing
Speaker 2: that lost him a tournament. And you could say, well,
Speaker 2: maybe if Nicholas played like Arnold Palmer his whole career,
Speaker 2: he might have won twenty majors, twenty five majors, but
Speaker 2: he also might have won thirteen or eleven, like if
Speaker 2: he had just been aggressive and dumb all the time.
Speaker 2: And so like, over time, it's like staying on eighteen
Speaker 2: in blackjack, right, like, you never hit on that number,
Speaker 2: you're gonna win a lot of hands and you might
Speaker 2: lose them too, but you might as well just keep
Speaker 2: playing it out because and that's why Nicholas basically didn't
Speaker 2: finish out of the top ten in a major for
Speaker 2: you know what ten years almost because he was so
Speaker 2: good and he just never threw away a tournament.
Speaker 1: That's like the thing at Augusta too, is like when
Speaker 1: you go hunting for the score is when it gets you.
Speaker 1: And if you just I feel like if you just
Speaker 1: take care of business out there almost you know, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of hard holes, harder holes now, but
Speaker 1: like at the same time, like you know, if you
Speaker 1: if you take care of business on the par fives,
Speaker 1: like you're already like three under just starting round, you know,
Speaker 1: if you say you birdy three out of the four
Speaker 1: of them, like you know, like and that's a pretty
Speaker 1: feasible thing to do. And it's like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: like let's just take care of business the rest of
Speaker 1: the way and not do anything really dumb. But I
Speaker 1: mean it's way easier to say that than do it
Speaker 1: in a tournament, for sure, So hey, for we're gonna
Speaker 1: do a little something different. We're gonna do uh litt
Speaker 1: uh if if each of us became co golf Czar of.
Speaker 3: The world of the world, I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we get to just this is our initial
Speaker 1: meeting about what we're gonna do, and we each come
Speaker 1: come with five ideas. You know, what are the five?
Speaker 1: So we'll just alternate back and forth. One idea, one idea,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the first thing you do?
Speaker 3: First thing I do?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I've been thinking about this for a while,
Speaker 2: and I've said some of this before publicly, but I'm
Speaker 2: ready to formulate my own argument entirely. I think if
Speaker 2: I was a golf zar and I like could make
Speaker 2: any one decision that I thought was realistic, it would
Speaker 2: be that the Masters should.
Speaker 3: Have its own ball.
Speaker 2: And so you show up there, you can have a
Speaker 2: low spin version, you can have a high spin version,
Speaker 2: and then each one of those maybe you can have
Speaker 2: a firm or soft version.
Speaker 3: But that's it.
Speaker 2: Like Fred Radley has to hand you your you know,
Speaker 2: three sleeves of golf balls when you show up for
Speaker 2: bragtist round or whatever, and that's it.
Speaker 3: That's all you're allowed to play.
Speaker 2: With, and that like, because the Masters the Guessa is
Speaker 2: the only place in golf that could basically say.
Speaker 3: You know what, we don't care.
Speaker 2: We don't care if you if there's backlash, we don't
Speaker 2: care if the equipment companies pout. We don't care if
Speaker 2: you sit out of the tournament and say I can't
Speaker 2: play unless I get to have my ball. This is
Speaker 2: how it's going to be from now on, and if
Speaker 2: you pass on it, we'll bump the next guy up
Speaker 2: on the list. Guess what, we're taking another guy to
Speaker 2: make our field of ninety. And that might be the
Speaker 2: one thing that would sort of slowly over time rein
Speaker 2: in the game without a dramatic, like huge car crash
Speaker 2: of a change, because they obviously the Master's proved like,
Speaker 2: we don't care if you protest the tournament. We don't
Speaker 2: care if you pull all the ads. We're just going
Speaker 2: to broadcast an entire thing without any ads, Like, we
Speaker 2: don't care. If you know there's tons of people who
Speaker 2: want tickets every year and can't get them.
Speaker 3: That all sort of fits in.
Speaker 2: With the ethos of the place, and then you could
Speaker 2: get back the course in some ways that you know,
Speaker 2: Jones and Mackenzie originally wanted to have. You could put
Speaker 2: teas in different places. You could not have to buy
Speaker 2: up millions of acres of land from the country club
Speaker 2: next door. Like you can have your tournament back the
Speaker 2: way you want it, and maybe some skill is sort
Speaker 2: of you know, returned to the tournament or at least
Speaker 2: like some realistic you know, like a guy like DJ
Speaker 2: still going to hit.
Speaker 3: It farther than everybody, a guy like We'rey's still going
Speaker 3: to hit it farther than everybody. But you don't have
Speaker 3: to have.
Speaker 2: Five hundred and thirty yard part fours anymore if you
Speaker 2: don't want to.
Speaker 1: Did they still hit wedgend two?
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, guys are going to be hitting you know,
Speaker 2: seven eight hors at least. It's because I think I
Speaker 2: think it's a little bit strange that whenever we talk
Speaker 2: about like reeling in distance, we never talk about clubs.
Speaker 2: We only talk about the ball, like we got to
Speaker 2: roll back the ball. But I also think that, you know,
Speaker 2: in part because the ball is the one thing where
Speaker 2: one sort of tournament could say, Yep, this is what
Speaker 2: you're gonna do. You're gonna take You're gonna take our ball.
Speaker 2: And then if that's the case, then you know, Nichols
Speaker 2: might say, you know.
Speaker 3: What, at the memorial, we're also going.
Speaker 2: To play like the version of the ball that I want,
Speaker 2: or you know, the pomrotational or you know, some of
Speaker 2: the invite courses are like the invite tournaments say, yeah,
Speaker 2: we love that idea and we love that.
Speaker 3: I guess it took a stand.
Speaker 2: We can't afford to keep extending our courses so that
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, guys Aaron Wise can hit it
Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty yards and they wedgend every hole.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna basically say this is what it is,
Speaker 2: and that would maybe change the tide eventually.
Speaker 3: In the game.
Speaker 1: You know, I my first things as Cozar was rollback equipment.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: I did I think that. I think it's kind of
Speaker 1: almost a myth. Like I don't think equipment makes bad
Speaker 1: golfers better. Yeah, Like, I think that's like the biggest
Speaker 1: myth in the world. I think that what it does.
Speaker 1: Like I play enough with like my buddies who are beginners,
Speaker 1: like if you if if you hit it like the
Speaker 1: way the technology is, it doesn't really spin that much,
Speaker 1: so they just hit it further offline. You know, and
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's it makes like I think
Speaker 1: playing like older equipment, one of the things that it
Speaker 1: did was like if you hit a bad shot, the
Speaker 1: ball got on the ground and rolled, you know, versus
Speaker 1: like today's just flies forever offline. And I so that
Speaker 1: would be that'd be mine. And obviously going with the
Speaker 1: ball is the popular thing. But I think that like
Speaker 1: I think it's it's the whole thing. Like I think
Speaker 1: it like fundamentals of golf have changed. I've talked with
Speaker 1: somebodies recently, is like, so my age of golfer, I'm
Speaker 1: thirty two, and like, who's the greatest golfer that between
Speaker 1: the age of thirty and thirty five in the world.
Speaker 3: Oh, like it's Justin Rose under thirty five.
Speaker 1: No, he's like thirty eight. So it's like it's like
Speaker 1: Web Simpson. Yeah, okay, And like I have this whole
Speaker 1: theory is like we were the generation that grew up
Speaker 1: like I grew up playing with professionals and like small heads.
Speaker 1: Like when I was in a freshman in high school,
Speaker 1: I think I hit the ball like two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty yards and now like an am events, I play
Speaker 1: with freshmen in high school that hit it like three
Speaker 1: hundred and like their swings have changed fundamentally, like because
Speaker 1: of equipment. Like so my generation had to learn a
Speaker 1: new golf swing essentially like midway through our our career.
Speaker 1: And like the older guys like you know, your Roses
Speaker 1: and Sergio Stenson, they like are were established, but then
Speaker 1: this young crop, like the kids four years younger than
Speaker 1: my generation, were just better. Yeah, it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a weird it's a weird thing. But like I
Speaker 1: think that equipment is like if you took if no
Speaker 1: new equipment was made tomorrow, like we no new equipment
Speaker 1: is going to be made except for like balls, the
Speaker 1: game would be perfectly fine. Yeah, like there's there's no need.
Speaker 1: It's just like an add on to the to the game.
Speaker 1: And if you take away all the money that people
Speaker 1: spend on equipment, you know what they're going to spend
Speaker 1: their money on is like lessons and traveling to play golf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so to.
Speaker 2: Think like about the margins that equipment companies or ball
Speaker 2: companies are chasing, Like if you were at this point,
Speaker 2: the rules are sort of you know set. I mean,
Speaker 2: remember like we were talking when we were sort of
Speaker 2: coming up. The idea of like a four hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty CECED driver seemed absurd. But as soon as like
Speaker 2: drivers couldn't get any bigger, then it had to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're moving the weights to the back of it, or no,
Speaker 2: we're like distributing the energy with this, you know, jailbreak technology.
Speaker 2: We're doing this, and like at some point those kind
Speaker 2: of things that you're able to do within the rules
Speaker 2: and like not having a trampoline effect on the ball.
Speaker 3: Kind of maxed out.
Speaker 2: You're chasing like half a yard or something here and
Speaker 2: there in terms of I guess distance. And so that's
Speaker 2: why I see, you know, like, hey, it's a new
Speaker 2: set of irons that essentially a seven iron is playing
Speaker 2: at what you know four iron was playing ten years ago,
Speaker 2: and in terms of it's loft, and I don't think
Speaker 2: I don't understand how that's sustainable. Like ten years from now,
Speaker 2: what is the what are the equipment companies going to
Speaker 2: be saying to kind of like this to market to
Speaker 2: you to get make you better.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like when one of your biggest problems as
Speaker 1: a sport is the expense of the sport, Like when
Speaker 1: you talk about it's like one of the biggest barriers
Speaker 1: to entry for golf, Like why like and then but
Speaker 1: like what the equipment industry does is it it makes
Speaker 1: people feel like they need to buy this new five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars driver, Like that is what contributes to the
Speaker 1: expense of the sport totally.
Speaker 2: I have a gridy is that we have a golf
Speaker 2: tournament were play and like every year every year, so
Speaker 2: everybody was like, well, should we buy a new driver
Speaker 2: this year? And it's it's the point where you you know,
Speaker 2: it's silly, like how is that helping guys who are
Speaker 2: literally at best, like a sixteen handicap upgrade from one
Speaker 2: driver to the next.
Speaker 1: It's just not Yeah, it's that's like what and think
Speaker 1: about it, if you spend that money, if that like
Speaker 1: sixteen handicap spent the money that they spend on equipment
Speaker 1: on lessons, like they would be better, you know, and
Speaker 1: like that would actually make up Like you know, I
Speaker 1: know pros always are like, well, if you take away
Speaker 1: equipment sales, like it's gonna kill my shot. But like,
Speaker 1: if you take away equipment sales, you're gonna do You're
Speaker 1: gonna people are gonna take more lessons. Yeah, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna make it up that way.
Speaker 2: I do think there is like a desire for the
Speaker 2: quick fix, in the sense of like, oh this this
Speaker 2: driver's gonna make me finally good. I don't have to
Speaker 2: put in the hours of like I've taken a bunch
Speaker 2: of lessons this year, and it's hard to like remake
Speaker 2: your swing, hard to really grind over. You know, so
Speaker 2: many people who are golfers like me, like I'm a nine,
Speaker 2: they're still essentially like closing the club face with their hands,
Speaker 2: like hitting a flip. And so for me, like learning
Speaker 2: how to square my body an impact has been sort
Speaker 2: of frustrating experience. Whereas but now like I'm better than
Speaker 2: I was in January, but there was definitely weeks where
Speaker 2: I was like I'm just lost, man, I just totally lost.
Speaker 2: And I think that getting past that version of feeling
Speaker 2: lost is a hard thing for some people, and so
Speaker 2: that's why they look for other answers and just like
Speaker 2: oh this I hit this, you know this iron today
Speaker 2: that was essentially.
Speaker 3: Like flew ten yards through. That must be the answer.
Speaker 2: And I'm happy to pay the extra, you know, eight
Speaker 2: hundred dollars for these set of irons of one day
Speaker 2: it feels great.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, Bryson taught the world that everybody feels
Speaker 1: lost some days.
Speaker 3: All right, what's your number two?
Speaker 1: My number two would be you know, I would and
Speaker 1: I'd abolish the PGA Tour and European Tour and make
Speaker 1: a world tour.
Speaker 3: Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1: I just I think that it's too confusing. I think
Speaker 1: that like by central centralizing the professional golf world, like
Speaker 1: you could have more flow up and down and just
Speaker 1: make like really premier events, Like I I can't stand
Speaker 1: wgc's They're like my least favorite tour events because like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's they what they should be, and what
Speaker 1: they are is like a disgrace, you know. It's so
Speaker 1: I would have like that, you got your majors, right,
Speaker 1: you keep the majors, put them over here, right, But
Speaker 1: then like why not have like a premier national open
Speaker 1: rotation where you play you know, the Irish Open, the
Speaker 1: Scottish Open, the Australian Open, the japan Open, South African Open,
Speaker 1: and Canadian Open, like you know, take kind of the
Speaker 1: most golf rich countries and put those countries as like
Speaker 1: your premier side events, and then you have an American
Speaker 1: World Tour schedule and say it's the top, say the
Speaker 1: top three hundred people qualify for this tour that goes
Speaker 1: all year round, there's no off season any ways. And
Speaker 1: then from there you have a secondary US and World
Speaker 1: tour that feeds into this top tour. But like you know,
Speaker 1: like I think about like that guy who is at
Speaker 1: Dan McCarthy a couple of years ago that won like
Speaker 1: four straight events on the Canadian Tour. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you know he got a thumb injury. He had
Speaker 1: to just sit down there and play these Canadian Tour
Speaker 1: events all year. He got a thumb injury right when
Speaker 1: he gets on the web the next year, and like
Speaker 1: he was out for almost the entire year. Like that
Speaker 1: guy really got screwed by the system, because you can't
Speaker 1: tell me he was winning Canadian Tour events by seven
Speaker 1: to eight shots, like he should have gotten bumped up.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And in that respect, is the LPGA more of
Speaker 3: a true world tour? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I think in it it shows like you,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think with the way modern travel
Speaker 1: has eased the need, like the struggle of having a
Speaker 1: world tour so much.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, there's so many good courses around
Speaker 2: the world that never we don't, like unless you're kind
Speaker 2: of a psycho like we are, you know, most people
Speaker 2: don't know about. It would be so much fun to
Speaker 2: see those courses featured, you know, and.
Speaker 1: Think about how much like how good it is for
Speaker 1: the game of golf to have the best players in
Speaker 1: the world visiting these countries, you know, and like people
Speaker 1: could throw in, like all of sudden, you know, people
Speaker 1: could throw in like, hey, I'm gonna go play the
Speaker 1: New Zealand Open this year because like it's at Terry Etiers,
Speaker 1: you know, I doubt it would be there, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere really cool. Like I think like it
Speaker 1: would just and like I think it would just work
Speaker 1: in today's day and age, like it's it's time. Like
Speaker 1: and especially I figure with all the contracts, I'm not
Speaker 1: getting this thing. This thing's not happening untill twenty thirty.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But that's the way I would do it, is I
Speaker 1: would I would push that, and I would you know,
Speaker 1: I would make these events really great, great courses, and
Speaker 1: then I would have like a much more fluid, you
Speaker 1: know kind of way of players coming in and out
Speaker 1: and who qualifies for really the premier events who's not
Speaker 1: and you know you got to work your way in
Speaker 1: you can fall out. I think that would be you
Speaker 1: know much more, you know it would it would. I
Speaker 1: would come up with the system, some way of having
Speaker 1: a ranking which deems what tournaments you get into.
Speaker 2: I like it and that way too, Like if you
Speaker 2: say you win in Australia, you get like an exemption
Speaker 2: on the tour or whatever for a year. Like it's
Speaker 2: not just like, oh, it doesn't matter, like the idea
Speaker 2: that like when Jordan's Peace won the Australian Open on
Speaker 2: a good course that it was like not even counted
Speaker 2: as like a win for him. That you're to me silly,
Speaker 2: Like that was a good field and he won a
Speaker 2: prestigious tournament and was like the beginning of Speef becoming
Speaker 2: a truly like good player. It was posts the Masters
Speaker 2: where he didn't he didn't win it when Ian Babo
Speaker 2: sort of went toe to toe and that was like
Speaker 2: the moment that speak and that in the sort of
Speaker 2: grander scheme of things, it's almost like that win counts
Speaker 2: for nothing, but that was kind of an important thing.
Speaker 1: I like, I like to I mean, yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: the same thing with Harold Varner. He won that Australian
Speaker 1: PGA and it was a really good field, you know,
Speaker 1: And it goes back to that problem we had with
Speaker 1: Worldwide Wind, you know, like how do you count him?
Speaker 1: Like now we know because everybody's on the same tour,
Speaker 1: you know, we know how strong that field was, because
Speaker 1: like who knows how good how good is you to
Speaker 1: Keda in Japan? Yeah, it's probably pretty good, but he's
Speaker 1: not as good in America because he just it seems
Speaker 1: like the transition is tough for him.
Speaker 2: Well, and there's such a huge golf market in Asia,
Speaker 2: like why not have you know, more like on of
Speaker 2: two events or something every year like the Japan National
Speaker 2: Open or the South Korea National Open, Like those should
Speaker 2: be like events where a lot of guys are are
Speaker 2: in it and sort of contending for that because that's
Speaker 2: where the game is sort of booming now, and you know,
Speaker 2: getting a huge field that has Tiger and Phil and
Speaker 2: Rory and stuff like that would be totally beneficial for
Speaker 2: the game and then rewarding them for going that far
Speaker 2: and saying like yeah, this is this counts as official
Speaker 2: win discounts as you know, towards your lifetime exemption status,
Speaker 2: like all that would be good to the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and instead of having like sixty events in the US,
Speaker 1: there's twenty, right, and then there's more across the world
Speaker 1: with better players, like all of a sudden, like the
Speaker 1: seventieth ranked player in the world is playing, you know,
Speaker 1: really an interesting schedule where like Billy Horschel isn't really
Speaker 1: a big draw in America, but he would probably be
Speaker 1: a huge draw in Japan. Yeah, so that's what's what's
Speaker 1: your number two?
Speaker 2: Okay, So similarly, maybe this is a little bit close
Speaker 2: to my first, but the watching you and zb like
Speaker 2: play around the States with Hickory clubs made me feel
Speaker 2: like I would love it if there was like a
Speaker 2: tournament that was like a Hickory Club Challenge at like
Speaker 2: an iconic course like National Golf Links or you know,
Speaker 2: or Katie Buffs or something where, of course that we
Speaker 2: don't see every year, where we truly get to see
Speaker 2: like the skill of the players compared to you know,
Speaker 2: how golf game was like one hundred and fifty years ago.
Speaker 3: So you can make the.
Speaker 2: Best hickory clubs you want whatever, and you roll them
Speaker 2: out and they're say you limit the field, you know,
Speaker 2: because you're going to play one of these courses where
Speaker 2: you can't have like huge grandstands whatever. So say, it's
Speaker 2: like it has the more feel of like an amateur term.
Speaker 2: So we'd limit the crowds to like five thousand people
Speaker 2: a day. It's like a lottery, and then you just
Speaker 2: see like how good these guys as are with clubs
Speaker 2: that you know, the old Tom Morris is the World
Speaker 2: played with. I would be super in on that, and
Speaker 2: I think it would be if it was only one
Speaker 2: thing a year.
Speaker 3: It would be fun, get everyone micd up, make it.
Speaker 2: Into like a really sort of social fun thing, like
Speaker 2: encourage the guys to dress kind of old school whatever,
Speaker 2: totally like enjoyable thing, and we'd get to see courses
Speaker 2: that we just that are totally like mysteries to ninety percent.
Speaker 3: Of the country.
Speaker 1: It would be amazing, it would you know, like that's it.
Speaker 1: That would be a great idea. I think in general,
Speaker 1: like one of my points I didn't make with the
Speaker 1: World Tour is like more variety in the events, Like
Speaker 1: I want to see different stuff. I want to see
Speaker 1: a seven club tournament, yes, Like why don't why doesn't
Speaker 1: that exist?
Speaker 2: There's just so many tournaments that are begging for an
Speaker 2: identity that you know, the idea that you know, Memphis
Speaker 2: changed whatever and went to the sort of team format
Speaker 2: gave them an identity that they totally didn't have. And
Speaker 2: so I would think that more tournaments that are struggling,
Speaker 2: like you know, when Houston is like begging for a
Speaker 2: spot so that we can see guys come out on
Speaker 2: a boring course and shoot sixteen under. How is that compelling?
Speaker 2: Like long term? Like it was so much better that
Speaker 2: By and Nelson moved to a course that was just
Speaker 2: dramatically different this year, And so how do we do
Speaker 2: that with some of the other tournaments that that are struggling.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, make.
Speaker 2: It a you know, a make a full, full tournament
Speaker 2: field with you know, one hundred people were half for
Speaker 2: women and half for men. They have to you have
Speaker 2: to team up with a partner, like instead of it
Speaker 2: being like a you know, tend whatever that that tournament
Speaker 2: they play with Stableford and like you know, Lexi Thompson involved,
Speaker 2: Like make that into like a full tournament thing that's
Speaker 2: totally fun. Like that would that would make people Some
Speaker 2: people might be like I'm not watching this, I don't care,
Speaker 2: but some people are like, oh yeah, I love this
Speaker 2: alternate shot with like Michelson and Karrie Webb like versus
Speaker 2: Tiger and like Sie Thompson, I'm in on this.
Speaker 1: It's it the lack of variety in like the golf world,
Speaker 1: Like I use this analogy a lot for municipal golf
Speaker 1: is like you know where like if you if I
Speaker 1: looked at Chicago municipal golf, like it's essentially like everything's
Speaker 1: exactly the same. So like I come to you, Hey,
Speaker 1: I want to build this golf course and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: you know, or like hey, i want to build this
Speaker 1: donut shop and I'm gonna do it exactly like Dunkin
Speaker 1: Donuts does theirs. But it's like that's a horrible business
Speaker 1: idea that would never get past. But like the same
Speaker 1: thing with tournaments, Like, hey, so we want to have
Speaker 1: a tournament in uh in Houston, and we're gonna do
Speaker 1: it exactly the same as every other tournament. And I
Speaker 1: think we're just gonna it's gonna do really well because
Speaker 1: you know we're Houston. Yeah, It's like that's not a
Speaker 1: that no, no, Like no entrepreneur would approach like hosting
Speaker 1: their own tournament that way. Yeah, it's so I agree
Speaker 1: with the Hickory thing. That would be really cool. What
Speaker 1: do you guys would.
Speaker 3: Complain the most about the Hickory Club Challenge or who
Speaker 3: would be who would excel the most about the Hickory
Speaker 3: Club Challenge. That's what I would love to see.
Speaker 1: I think it would you would see obviously. I think
Speaker 1: I think Rory would be so good. Yeah, as a
Speaker 1: Hickory player. Yeah, I actually think the ball strikers would
Speaker 1: do really well because I think it's so much harder
Speaker 1: to hit the ball well all the time with with uh,
Speaker 1: with Hickory's.
Speaker 2: Jason days walking off the course and the Hickery Club Challenge,
Speaker 2: isn't he at some point like it just did frustration
Speaker 2: like I can't do it, Mike, this is total.
Speaker 1: I uh yeah, I could see, well see what would happen,
Speaker 1: and we saw it with Trinity as people just wouldn't
Speaker 1: show up, which is the sad thing because like I
Speaker 1: think I equate it to like if you told if
Speaker 1: you ran a company with a bunch of salespeople, like
Speaker 1: if you said, hey, we're changing your comp structure, you
Speaker 1: could be giving them like the best deal ever and
Speaker 1: they would still like immediately be like wait, what, what
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You know.
Speaker 2: They do they create I mean athletes, creative normalcy, and
Speaker 2: they creve. That's I think that the I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: a certainly like pro labor sort of person, but I
Speaker 2: also think that like in golf, like because they're all
Speaker 2: independent contractors and because it's golf needs them, labor is
Speaker 2: so powerful that any kind of change makes them just
Speaker 2: recoil and horror and they're so angry about the idea
Speaker 2: of anything that's different. And I think that's that creates
Speaker 2: a very vanilla sameness and that's why a lot of
Speaker 2: the tournaments are just like so boring, Like I just
Speaker 2: feel like, oh, all these courses are the same, and
Speaker 2: all these swings are the same, and all these personalities
Speaker 2: are kind of the same. And that I think long
Speaker 2: term like hurts golf. It's like baseball's going through that huge,
Speaker 2: huge crisis about that now where every but he either
Speaker 2: walks or hits home runs or strikes out, and so
Speaker 2: the ball's never in play. Nothing is ever like different
Speaker 2: or creative, and I feel like golf needs to really
Speaker 2: watch out or else that is going to like potentially
Speaker 2: happen and golf people just be like ough, Like why
Speaker 2: am I turning in to see the Northern Trust, Like
Speaker 2: it's the same thing as you know, the Arnold Palmer
Speaker 2: to me, like it's one's sunny and one's kind of
Speaker 2: you know, blustery and cold.
Speaker 1: That's the I think that's the other thing is like
Speaker 1: say what you will about like us Open and like
Speaker 1: one is compelling though, because like it's athletes overcoming adversity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's why Like the Open when the weather's bad is
Speaker 1: like insanely like it's like the best stuff to watch
Speaker 1: is because that's the stuff you remember. You remember these
Speaker 1: like great performances when you know the adversity is against
Speaker 1: an athlete and and we don't have enough like I mean, frank,
Speaker 1: like the way the PGA Tour is set up is
Speaker 1: like how the players want it to be set up
Speaker 1: so there is no adversity. Yeah, And I mean, how
Speaker 1: would you remember Jordan if there wasn't like the flu game?
Speaker 2: Yep, totally and honestly, like how would you remember Tiger
Speaker 2: if he didn't hit it wild all the time? Like
Speaker 2: the fact that Tiger everyone sort of thinks like Tiger
Speaker 2: is like this dominant athlete, but so much of that
Speaker 2: was like his ability to kind of recover from his
Speaker 2: wildness off the tee or the fact that he was
Speaker 2: just an incredible like short game player who hit these
Speaker 2: amazing shots that were wayward, like the idea that you
Speaker 2: know often times when someone wins, now it's because they
Speaker 2: just vomb it and then they hit it close and
Speaker 2: then they make a putt like it's not. I think
Speaker 2: what made Tiger great is his ability to kind of
Speaker 2: overcome adversity that he put himself into in those situations.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if you look at if you think
Speaker 1: about like the most famous shots of all time, not
Speaker 1: one of them is a is a bomb drive right
Speaker 1: down the middle of the fairway, And that's like what
Speaker 1: has become of of golf highlights now absolutely so it's
Speaker 1: what's your number three?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: So my number three is in I guess some of
Speaker 2: these are kind of fitting together in some ways. But
Speaker 2: I really want to see like a Women's Masters that
Speaker 2: like has the same kind of like tradition and like
Speaker 2: sort of same course every year kind of thing. And
Speaker 2: I think, let's say a course like Cyper's Point or
Speaker 2: Pine Valley could really engender like a lot of goodwill
Speaker 2: if they were like, you know what, we're going to
Speaker 2: host what we think is like a Women's Masters. It's
Speaker 2: going to be here every year, and it's gonna be
Speaker 2: like Appointment TV. And you're gonna like this iconic course.
Speaker 2: You're gonna like remember all the holes as we sort
Speaker 2: of build up history over time, like the one that
Speaker 2: they play, you know, the only course where they're major
Speaker 2: is the same of years that Bob Hope went down.
Speaker 1: In an a yeah, which jump in the pond, in.
Speaker 2: The pond which God bless Pete d Ie with. That
Speaker 2: course is not that interesting at all. I just walked
Speaker 2: that course for four rounds with Lydia Coo this year
Speaker 2: and it ain't Cypres's point baby, it ain't Pie Valley.
Speaker 2: So like, how much fun would it be like if
Speaker 2: one of those clubs was like, you know what, like
Speaker 2: we really feel like it's part of our responsibility to
Speaker 2: grow the game. We don't want any part of the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour. We don't want any part of like you know,
Speaker 2: being a part of a regular stop on the schedule.
Speaker 2: But how about a Women's Masters where we you know,
Speaker 2: award like a Awkwa blue jacket or something purple jacket.
Speaker 2: That's cool, and we have it at Cyprus Point and
Speaker 2: then everyone gets to see, like what's it like to
Speaker 2: you know, play sixteen seventeen at Cypress with like.
Speaker 3: A you know, a huge major on the line. I
Speaker 3: think that would be so fun.
Speaker 1: You know, the courses to do it at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we Shinnacock, Yeah, Chinakog would be great.
Speaker 1: They have They've always been the most progressive club for women,
Speaker 1: like since its inception, you know, right did.
Speaker 3: Have women member, Like, yeah, female members, like way back
Speaker 3: in the twenties, right.
Speaker 1: No, they had founding women members. Man, that's that's good.
Speaker 1: I think they held the first US Women's Open too.
Speaker 1: Nice that that might be it. You know, just do
Speaker 1: their own tournament and uh, you know, let let their
Speaker 1: own let their own superintendent set up the course. John Jennings,
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I think we're as someone with two daughters who both
Speaker 2: are like pretty into golf, I'm all in on them
Speaker 2: someday getting to play the the.
Speaker 3: Shinnacock Masters in twenty forty.
Speaker 1: It had to come up with a name. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it would be. We'll think on that. I
Speaker 1: bet some of our listeners will come up with good ones.
Speaker 1: My my, Number three is I would I would immediately
Speaker 1: change the Olympic format. Okay, our role as golf as
Speaker 1: are would would oversee that we would we would supersede
Speaker 1: the IOC in this room.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: But so I did like a little bit of research.
Speaker 1: This was really quick. It wasn't like I just did
Speaker 1: a scan and I found that there are at least
Speaker 1: thirty countries and for men's golf with three players in
Speaker 1: the top one thousand of the world rankings.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: Okay, So like why not have a team and individual
Speaker 1: format where you're you got three players per team and
Speaker 1: you count the top two scores each day and it's
Speaker 1: a team and individual competition, because, like I honestly think,
Speaker 1: then you could get like really cool team upset stories.
Speaker 3: Yes, like Ireland beating the US or something some year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, like Sweden could win like Henry Stenson, Alex Norrin,
Speaker 1: like even you could go to Italy could win.
Speaker 2: That's what makes the Olympics so fun, is it? Like
Speaker 2: there's those kind of team moments like and these people
Speaker 2: who are you know?
Speaker 3: To me?
Speaker 2: I covered the Olympics in Beijing and the most memorable
Speaker 2: moment of that was the four by one hundred relay
Speaker 2: where Jason Lezak like ran down the remember that the
Speaker 2: French guy and they all went bonkers, and like Michael
Speaker 2: Phelps was a part of that, but it was because
Speaker 2: he was sort of a part of a team, and
Speaker 2: like how much fun would that? That's where you know,
Speaker 2: you'd get guys playing together and you get like the
Speaker 2: equivalent of essentially like the Baker's Bay Buddies trip, but
Speaker 2: against you know, the sort of crafty year. It's like
Speaker 2: a mini Ryder Cup almost in that sense.
Speaker 1: Well that's why Ryder Cup. The Ryder Cup is so
Speaker 1: popular because it's actually a team event where like the
Speaker 1: country unites, like I thought about we did a male
Speaker 1: I did a mailbag pod with Kyle Nathan and one
Speaker 1: of the questions was like why don't we have a
Speaker 1: team golf sport and where like where cities have players
Speaker 1: just like every other sport and it could be pretty cool,
Speaker 1: but like there's a lot of reasons that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: But like the Olympics, should one have a team component
Speaker 1: to it, And the fact that they don't is like
Speaker 1: it's just actually like alarming.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's this is the best idea so far, I think,
Speaker 2: And it's the easiest one to implement, because come on, like, really,
Speaker 2: would you bring four guys and that's your team? And
Speaker 2: every everyone brings four guys and maybe like if you're
Speaker 2: you know, Malaysia or Thailand or whatever, and you and
Speaker 2: you're really struggling to put together that fourth guy, that's okay.
Speaker 3: Maybe the fourth.
Speaker 2: Guy is like an amateur a plus one, a handicap,
Speaker 2: or an amateur who just happens to do something super
Speaker 2: heroic that happens in every single Olympics.
Speaker 1: You know, like here's here's a team. If it's three guys.
Speaker 1: India has has u uh what's a shub Sharma? They
Speaker 1: got Lahiri and they have the battleship, right, I mean right,
Speaker 1: they got a SSP.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean that is a good team. That team could
Speaker 1: legitimately win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a kind of awesome upset. Would that be
Speaker 2: if they took out like Great Britain in the final.
Speaker 1: Or the US like Belgium has Peters, Cole Starts and
Speaker 1: uh and d Tree. Yeah that's a good team, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's like a team you could say, over four
Speaker 1: rounds might beat you know, UH speak DJ and JT.
Speaker 2: I think too that part of what you know makes
Speaker 2: the Presidence Cup so boring is that it's super hard
Speaker 2: to get you know, the international team with all those
Speaker 2: different cultures like to sort of rally together and feel
Speaker 2: like a team. But of course, like the guys from
Speaker 2: India or the guys from Thailand or the guys from Australia,
Speaker 2: like they're going to feel a total bond like us
Speaker 2: against ever. That's that's where you'd get that Ryder Cup
Speaker 2: feel for guys who don't normally get to be in
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup. And so the benefit would be huge
Speaker 2: to the international squads that don't have a right Cup
Speaker 2: that are used to just like pretending to have you know,
Speaker 2: bonds with Jason Day during the I mean like Jason
Speaker 2: Day and Adam Scott and you know.
Speaker 3: What from you know some.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like why that would be such a fun team,
Speaker 2: Like those guys would totally like be tearing it up
Speaker 2: and enjoying it, and that that team could absolutely beat
Speaker 2: any team like could VUK the US.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like England would have an awesome team,
Speaker 1: Ireland would have an awesome team. Scotland would have like
Speaker 1: if you do just three players, every team has like
Speaker 1: an actually shot, actual shot to win, you know, for
Speaker 1: the most part, or do really well, like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, like you know, like maybe maybe India can't win,
Speaker 1: but maybe they could get a bronze medal. Yes, like
Speaker 1: China would have a team, Yes they would Marty Doe
Speaker 1: what's his name, how Tong Lee and the other guy
Speaker 1: that's on the tour Zang I think his name is.
Speaker 1: But like they got three guys right there.
Speaker 3: This idea might be too good.
Speaker 1: We might have to just change it to abolish the
Speaker 1: President's cup and make this the President's cup.
Speaker 2: There would be a way better President's cup. It's sort
Speaker 2: of like what the lpig has with that.
Speaker 3: The crown thing whatever. They have four person teams, and
Speaker 3: you know, you know.
Speaker 1: What the President's cup is like, it's like that that
Speaker 1: donut comparison I made where they say, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're going to open a donut shop that is exactly
Speaker 1: the same as the Ryder Cup, except we have a
Speaker 1: different street address.
Speaker 2: And it's also like it's the equivalent of like saying,
Speaker 2: let's say the Ryder Cup is like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like really good, like New Orleans food. It's like putting
Speaker 2: really good New Orleans food in like or trying to
Speaker 2: put in like Minneapolis, instead of like trying to capture
Speaker 2: your own sort of thing. It's like, oh, let's just
Speaker 2: you know, let's take all the things that we think
Speaker 2: are good about this and put some of them in
Speaker 2: like really boring like environment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's it. Yeah, So this this idea should
Speaker 1: just happen. Whoever, you know, hopefully somebody's list.
Speaker 3: Is just going to implement this. Antonio sam Rock or whatever.
Speaker 2: Those Olympic guys you know, rise him from Who's who's
Speaker 2: in charge of Olympics the States.
Speaker 1: I don't even know, No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a collection of olig arcs who pulling the strings
Speaker 2: behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: I'm sure golf would become like one of the coolest
Speaker 1: Olympic sports.
Speaker 2: And how much like a guy like Rory who's like
Speaker 2: I'm out on the Olympics, would love to play with
Speaker 2: like you know, Shane Lowry and Prodrick Carrington.
Speaker 3: I guess is true.
Speaker 2: Irish is out of Northern Ireland, so there'd be a
Speaker 2: debate whether whether they were several countries, but like, the
Speaker 2: Irish guys would be such a fun team. I might
Speaker 2: root for the Irish over the Americans. Being Irish myself.
Speaker 1: I know you, I would like I would root for
Speaker 1: like some obscure team, because that's what I do. You know,
Speaker 1: I would, I would, I would get behind I Actually
Speaker 1: I would love South Africa. I would love the team
Speaker 1: of Louis Hotch, Charles and I don't know who either
Speaker 1: their third would be, but I would love that team.
Speaker 1: I mean, the three guys that really don't care about golf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your teeth might sneak onto that team, you know,
Speaker 2: other couple of sixty eighths and qualifying and make the
Speaker 2: South African team.
Speaker 1: I mean the combo of the Mattress, King hot Charle
Speaker 1: and the Goose. That's next level stuff.
Speaker 3: This is your nirvana. I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, and then you could have captain nels.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh my god, captains. We just unlocked a whole
Speaker 3: different thing of captains.
Speaker 1: Co captains with Gary Player.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what someone needs to pay us millions
Speaker 2: of dollars with this idea, because I think we just
Speaker 2: fixed the entire Olympics.
Speaker 1: What would happen if if Ernie and Gary wrote down
Speaker 1: with the team on Ernie's plane?
Speaker 4: Oh like, oh, definitely a push up contest that resulted
Speaker 4: in a fist fight that resulted in hugs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Louis would just be like sleeping in the
Speaker 1: back and on his on his mattress that he was
Speaker 1: bringing to whatever country the Olympics is. That's why you never.
Speaker 3: Won more tenements. You could have won ten majors.
Speaker 1: Like me, oh Man, then you could have like the
Speaker 1: manager b Jacko van Zil. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember last Olympics, he gave up playing to focus on
Speaker 1: the Olympics. He like did not play in any tournaments
Speaker 1: all summer to focus. Yeah. But uh so my next thing,
Speaker 1: my fourth thing would be, uh so I do I'd
Speaker 1: launch a program, whether it's with like the USGA, I
Speaker 1: guess we would be the governing body here where we
Speaker 1: would take all these USGA funds and we would restore
Speaker 1: and privately manage municipal golf courses in metro areas that
Speaker 1: are like good, you know, like so like it would
Speaker 1: be like you know, you would you would go after
Speaker 1: like the historical ones, like you know, there's like Rackham
Speaker 1: in Detroit that's pretty neat. There's like in la you
Speaker 1: have Rancho Park in Griffith Park, and you make them
Speaker 1: really good, really affordable for senior for city residents. But then,
Speaker 1: like I always I admire the best Page Tory model
Speaker 1: where you gotage out of towners, but it's a really
Speaker 1: good golf course which people want to go play, but
Speaker 1: actually do it right, you know, and manage it right,
Speaker 1: have a really good superintendent, and just get it out
Speaker 1: of like municipal government's hand.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean on this too, And this is a
Speaker 2: kind of goes right into my fourth My idea was
Speaker 2: essentially that it's similar but a little bit different. Every
Speaker 2: golf course in America needs to be open at least
Speaker 2: one day a month to the public, and you do
Speaker 2: like a public lottery system, but it's more like the
Speaker 2: UK model in the sense of or like if you
Speaker 2: refuse to do that, then you have to pay the
Speaker 2: true tax burden of the land that you're on. So essentially,
Speaker 2: if you're like club, you can't sacrifice one day a
Speaker 2: month to let anybody sort of play through via a
Speaker 2: lottery system, then you're going to pay the true property
Speaker 2: tax value of that place. You're not going to get
Speaker 2: any sort of like you know, public use exemption when
Speaker 2: you're not actually open to the public and the value
Speaker 2: of elec Hundry Cub's Land, which would be so enormous
Speaker 2: that it would be absurd for them to not say, like,
Speaker 2: all right, we'll let the riff raff in for one
Speaker 2: day a month like that way. You know, it's the
Speaker 2: sort of the UK model, Like you can play almost
Speaker 2: any course in the UK unless it's like Swinley Forest
Speaker 2: or something, or maybe Mirfield if if you like book
Speaker 2: it out long enough ahead of time, or if you're
Speaker 2: part of a sort of two or whatever, and that
Speaker 2: would sort of at least say to golf, all right,
Speaker 2: there are no truly like snotty private places unless they're
Speaker 2: so rich that they can just sort of say, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go ahead and pay the greater tax Burgen
Speaker 2: and that money then goes to you know, like pay
Speaker 2: for what you're talking about, like you know metro area
Speaker 2: courses that, to pay for that super, to pay for
Speaker 2: the maintenance of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that idea. I think that there should
Speaker 1: be more lotteries like that and then take that take
Speaker 1: the money, charge a green fee for that public day
Speaker 1: and take all that money and it goes to like
Speaker 1: junior golf programs in that city or in the area who.
Speaker 2: Does that really hurt in the sense of like the
Speaker 2: membership is was that mad and that exclusive that one
Speaker 2: day a week, Like you could limit it to say
Speaker 2: you have to be a fifteen handicap or something.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and you can't have to you can't win
Speaker 1: it more than once, right.
Speaker 2: And you can't grind for six hours over around or whatever.
Speaker 2: You can't be a You're still subject to the same
Speaker 2: like if you're if you're an ass, you get your
Speaker 2: you know, your throwing clubs, you're doing, you know, some
Speaker 2: of the stupid stuff you see on public courses, like
Speaker 2: you're going to get the boot and you've got to
Speaker 2: dress decent. You got to sort of be a part
Speaker 2: of the club. But you can still be a part
Speaker 2: of the club. Anyone, any kidd or whatever who can
Speaker 2: get a USG handicap under fifteen can play this course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even make it twenty you know, like
Speaker 1: there are twenty five like handicap Like I don't think
Speaker 1: that matters as much. I think that Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's just so much good and it just like you know,
Speaker 1: what it does is Andrew Green talked about this architect
Speaker 1: on My pod with him. He talked about golf IQ
Speaker 1: and having golfers the general public get to experience some
Speaker 1: of these golf courses is going to raise their golf IQ. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that is good for the overall game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally agree.
Speaker 1: What's your last one?
Speaker 2: My last one's pretty damn dumb. But I think I
Speaker 2: think that PG guys should be able to wear shorts.
Speaker 2: I don't understand, like what the at this point in
Speaker 2: the game, Like what the hang up is over pants?
Speaker 2: And I feel like it would make the game a
Speaker 2: little more relatable to people. You know, like what kid
Speaker 2: who grows up in West Baltimore is going to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got to wear like pants on the golf course,
Speaker 2: Like I you know that that seems weird to me.
Speaker 2: Like if I think that they should give players the options,
Speaker 2: and if Patrick Reid still wants to wear like big,
Speaker 2: thick old pants, great, but I think it's time to
Speaker 2: sort of loosen that sort of stuffiness and and let
Speaker 2: that dress code sort of slide.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you if the pros can't play different equipment, then
Speaker 1: why why do they have to dress differently?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I mean as shorts, I mean they're nice,
Speaker 1: like every.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody wants to play in shorts unless they're
Speaker 2: kind of less cold when they're asked to play in pants.
Speaker 1: So it's funny, how like when you see pros and
Speaker 1: shorts that you're so accustomed to seeing in pants, how
Speaker 1: weird they It's like, whoa, well, what's going on? You're
Speaker 1: wearing short?
Speaker 2: You know you always see it like whatever, Like Tiger
Speaker 2: Rory posts like an Instagram video them practicing like they're
Speaker 2: never wearing pants, They're always wearing shorts, and so like
Speaker 2: the idea that somehow you're sort of forced to wear
Speaker 2: like a uniform.
Speaker 3: Imagine if every softball league had to.
Speaker 2: Wear you know, instead of like sweats or whatever, you
Speaker 2: had to wear like an official major league uniform.
Speaker 3: That would be silly.
Speaker 1: You get like suited up for for a for a
Speaker 1: Wednesday night co ed softball league.
Speaker 3: Yes, like looking like Tomas sort of like absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh My last one would be uh I'd
Speaker 1: make I'd force match play on America. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: just just shove it down their throat. It would this
Speaker 1: would no more stroke play as like no, no, just
Speaker 1: as like the the first you know, knee jerk reaction
Speaker 1: is not stroke play. It is match play, like you know,
Speaker 1: like almost give people scorecards that are like match play
Speaker 1: scorecards rather than stroke play scorecards. You know, like it's faster,
Speaker 1: it's more fun. Like I think that golf is way
Speaker 1: better when you're is concerned with score and you're gonna
Speaker 1: shoot better scores. Like the other thing is like like
Speaker 1: in match play, like if your if your opponent hits
Speaker 1: it close on a on like a par five, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're standing over a shot, whether you're thinking about
Speaker 1: laying up or not laying up, you're going for yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the thrill of golf. Yes, it's not like
Speaker 1: protecting a score.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I had never played the single mass play match in
Speaker 2: my life until I was I think, like twenty seven
Speaker 2: or twenty eight, and now it's all I want to play,
Speaker 2: like I literally we used to go on the trip,
Speaker 2: this trip every year with seven other guys, and when
Speaker 2: we first started doing it, like it's a sort of
Speaker 2: ryder cup stuff thing like this stroke the overall like
Speaker 2: stroke title was like a big deal and it was
Speaker 2: sort of what you were sort of trying to win
Speaker 2: to be like I'm the best golfer on our trip,
Speaker 2: and now no one cares less, could care less, like
Speaker 2: it's all about match play.
Speaker 3: Just because match plays so much more fun.
Speaker 2: Like we just went to Bandon this year and I posted,
Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of scores in the high eighties,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't have like been less concerned because I
Speaker 2: was just having so much fun and it was better
Speaker 2: than the guys, most of the guys I was playing with,
Speaker 2: because it was windy and it was firm and it
Speaker 2: was hard, and that it was such fun golf. And
Speaker 2: I wasn't like mad at the end of the day
Speaker 2: because it didn't shoot in the high seventies, which is
Speaker 2: like a good round for me. I was just like
Speaker 2: thrilled to be playing golf and winning matches, even with bogies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I played a I played a match last night,
Speaker 1: a nine hole match against a buddy, and like this
Speaker 1: is the other benefit of match play is like I
Speaker 1: played really lousy for and I got like absolutely smoked.
Speaker 1: I was done with our match on the fifth goal,
Speaker 1: and you know what, I said, we got a new
Speaker 1: match the rest of the nine like it was over,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I ended up lifting out of plat.
Speaker 1: I lost again by one on the knife, but but
Speaker 1: you know what, it was another new match and in
Speaker 1: like my misery ended. Yeah, it was like floor down
Speaker 1: and I almost purposely lost the last sole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well imagine, like you know, so imagine you're that same.
Speaker 2: You play this the equivalent of playing poorly, and it's
Speaker 2: a stroke play thing, and you make a nine on
Speaker 2: the first hole, like then you have eight holes of
Speaker 2: misery of like you just pissed because you're like, oh
Speaker 2: I just but in the end, like you make a
Speaker 2: nine in match play, you're like, well I'm one down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's so much more fun. It's so
Speaker 1: much better than stroke play. I don't know, I think
Speaker 1: that would have to go into the earlier thing with
Speaker 1: more formats, more match play, because that's that's the example.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, golf, all of golf problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah there's this. It's over. I'm I'm I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I think this is the Olympic one is Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Hickory one's good too. I don't know, they're all they're
Speaker 1: all good. Hopefully somebody importance listening.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just thrilled that I finally made it onto
Speaker 3: the Friday pocket.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you want to what do you got going
Speaker 1: for PGA? You're going down to Saint Louis.
Speaker 3: Going down to Saint Louis. No idea who to pick
Speaker 3: other than probably DJ because why not that It's like
Speaker 3: I'll probably have forty chances that.
Speaker 1: I'm right, Rory could win.
Speaker 3: Yeah good, what if Rory has like eleven PGAs that
Speaker 3: would be great.
Speaker 1: It's just the PGA should go back to match play.
Speaker 2: Ooh, real killer idea, a totally identity, a different identity.
Speaker 1: I love it, an actual identity.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: It should be They should go like Western Am style
Speaker 1: where or maybe not full but go us Am style,
Speaker 1: like do thirty six holes of qualifying, top thirty two
Speaker 1: going to match play.
Speaker 3: Boom, wow, that would be great.
Speaker 1: People will think of the drama.
Speaker 3: That would be so much fun.
Speaker 1: You know, people will rebut with like, well, Sunday will
Speaker 1: be a real dull Sunday with just two guys on
Speaker 1: the golf course. But you know most PGA Sundays are
Speaker 1: a dull.
Speaker 3: This is true.
Speaker 2: And also like two guys on the golf course, it
Speaker 2: would be over in five hours. You wouldn't have to watch.
Speaker 1: Ten hours of golf to five hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah four, well hopefully five.
Speaker 1: I hope it would be done in five.
Speaker 2: I mean, what if it was like speed versus day
Speaker 2: like and like it wasn't Whistling that was I was
Speaker 2: I walked that. I think that was a five and
Speaker 2: a half hour round and they basically just ran away
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: You know that the average round at at at Whistling
Speaker 1: Straits is like six hours.
Speaker 3: Was just insane.
Speaker 2: I think was it you that said that the like
Speaker 2: midway through the summer that caddies there will say that
Speaker 2: they might not see a guy break ninety all year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh ye, I mean it's uh, that's a that's
Speaker 1: a major problems. But uh uh, we'll got we gotta
Speaker 1: get you do some overrated underrated. I gotta come up
Speaker 1: with some off the top of my head here, all right,
Speaker 1: let's say overrated underrated. Let's do Firestone.
Speaker 3: Firestone, I mean.
Speaker 2: I would say that it's been overrated for most of
Speaker 2: its existence. The only thing that makes it interesting is
Speaker 2: the Tigers won there so many times. But I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just probably gonna stick with that. Like I would
Speaker 2: say overrated. I mean I could qualify it by saying
Speaker 2: that like most people think it's most people of our ilk.
Speaker 2: I think it's totally boring. But you know, we're not
Speaker 2: the majority. We're sort of the silent cynics out there.
Speaker 1: Sean Martin asked me a good one. I'm going to
Speaker 1: agree with your firestone, But Sean and Martin asked me
Speaker 1: a good one. Overrated, underrated putting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I did.
Speaker 2: I saw this exchange and and you made a good
Speaker 2: point in that, like that's what like, ball striking is
Speaker 2: what gets you into contention, and putting is what's gonna win.
Speaker 2: I would say it's probably overrated because of the idea
Speaker 2: of like you know, drive for show, Puffer Doe. Like
Speaker 2: most people, it's like Rory's clearly, you know, a generational player,
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame player, and he's at best like
Speaker 2: an average putter. So the fact that if you're just
Speaker 2: an average putter and a great ball striker, you're gonna
Speaker 2: give yourself enough chances that you're gonna run in three
Speaker 2: or four twelve footers and you're gonna win.
Speaker 1: So overrated putting's overrated. Yeah, all right, I disagree.
Speaker 3: Disagree. Underrated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this comes from somebody that that's putter has cost
Speaker 1: him numerous good rounds in his life. Naturally, I'm the
Speaker 1: person that thinks it's underrated. All right, you know this
Speaker 1: is a this is a type of question that you know,
Speaker 1: I've asked a few times that has gotten always responsive.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that. What about Pink Floyd, Pin.
Speaker 2: I have always felt that Pink Floyd was a little overrated.
Speaker 2: I you know, I never quite understood the people who
Speaker 2: were like super into Pink Floyd. Now, I I would admit, like,
Speaker 2: I grew up in Montana where a lot of really
Speaker 2: bad country music just sort of like permeated culture. So
Speaker 2: it took a long time for me to kind of
Speaker 2: escape the morass of bad like uh country music.
Speaker 3: But the only other so there was basically like two.
Speaker 2: Radio stations that worked growing up in Montana, and one
Speaker 2: was a classic rock station that played Pink Floyd all
Speaker 2: the time and like Rod Stewart, and the other was,
Speaker 2: you know, a bad country station. And so it was
Speaker 2: really like it to lose lose choice for me, but
Speaker 2: I always ended up choosing country.
Speaker 3: Maybe I should give Pink Floyd another chance. Maybe I
Speaker 3: should queue.
Speaker 2: Ups and put on Dark Side of the Moon, sink
Speaker 2: them up.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised Pink Floyd wasn't touring in Montana.
Speaker 2: I well, they should have Montana is lovely like all
Speaker 2: the all those big like musicians stars, they all like
Speaker 2: come to Montana and live and just Timberlake like thinks
Speaker 2: of himself as like a pseudo Montana. And even though
Speaker 2: they were asking him myself in some interview, oh, what's
Speaker 2: your favorite bourbon of drinking, He's like, Oh, I really
Speaker 2: love you know, the Montana bourbons, like like Maker's Mark
Speaker 2: and you know, like this as a kid who grew
Speaker 2: up in Tennessee doesn't understand that, like they actually make,
Speaker 2: you know, bourbons in Kentucky.
Speaker 3: Blands. That's what it was. He said, Blands, which is
Speaker 3: total like Kentucky.
Speaker 2: U a real genuine, like well appreciated Kentucky bourbon.
Speaker 3: He somehow was under the impression that was a Montana bourbon.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the only place he's had it. It's pretty,
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard. It's hard to find Blantons nowadays.
Speaker 3: That is true. That is true. A little horse on top.
Speaker 1: Yeah you could. When you see one, you gotta buy it.
Speaker 3: Oh, you gotta snatch it right up. I feel like
Speaker 3: I should be just Timberlake like bourbon's are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be an open position on the website check.
Speaker 3: I think it was going to like save golf.
Speaker 2: It's like his him buying a like a golf course
Speaker 2: and like participating in the slb AMAS, going to like
Speaker 2: get young people involved. It seemed like a very like
Speaker 2: short sighted plan.
Speaker 1: Steph Curry is doing that for the web dot com too.
Speaker 3: Yeah about Steph Curry overrated, underrated?
Speaker 1: Oh man, you know what I think it's it's overrated, overrated. Okay,
Speaker 1: Like I just don't think, like I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just whatever, He's going to shoot one nine. It's
Speaker 1: like and then the web dot Com tour social media
Speaker 1: is going to push out, like remember when tweets all
Speaker 1: year and and like for two days, golf is going
Speaker 1: to be relevant while he's doing it on like the
Speaker 1: national stage. But I mean, I think it would be
Speaker 1: way more effective if, like you know, you've got Steph
Speaker 1: Curry and some title sponsor to do like like a
Speaker 1: golf camp for you know, inner city kids. Like that
Speaker 1: would have an impact. Him playing at a web dot
Speaker 1: com event. Yeah yeah, yeah, overrated.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, people are gonna go out and like you
Speaker 2: do you see crowds come out and watch that stuff.
Speaker 3: But like the long term impact of it is like
Speaker 3: totally non existent.
Speaker 1: It's like this this idea of chasing impressions, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this generated so much buzz, but it's
Speaker 1: just empty buzz.
Speaker 2: Oh totally, And that would segue me into Mike definite overrated,
Speaker 2: which is like trying to create like memes out of
Speaker 2: like golf content of like on social Like.
Speaker 3: I I was, I saw this.
Speaker 2: Thing the other day wherein the PGA Tour social team
Speaker 2: like tried to make some sort of like Stranger Things
Speaker 2: meme out of like Sergio hitting out of a bunker,
Speaker 2: and so they like, I don't know if you watch.
Speaker 3: Stranger Things on Netflix, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: They they did, like the weird thing when like the
Speaker 2: monster sort of you know, turns the lights out and
Speaker 2: makes it all weird. And I was like, who who
Speaker 2: like thought this was a clever idea? This is horrible,
Speaker 2: Like this is really truly Like it's like the picture
Speaker 2: of Steve Buscemi like with a skateboard over his shoulder, being.
Speaker 3: Like, how are you doing? Fellow kids? Like even if
Speaker 3: someone like in their twenties made that content, that was
Speaker 3: truly awful, and so that there's so much of that
Speaker 3: in the golf social media world.
Speaker 1: It's it's really hard to be funny, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: and especially it's really hard to be funny for like
Speaker 1: a long period of time, yes, which is like why
Speaker 1: you have to really respect like club pro guye no
Speaker 1: laying up like for their humor capability.
Speaker 2: They also know how to pick their spots, like they're
Speaker 2: not like like shotgun blasting you with forty tweets a
Speaker 2: day of like, you know, here's some cheeky animal memes
Speaker 2: and one hundred percent of it is just empty, empty
Speaker 2: calories in terms of like, oh, we got a million
Speaker 2: views of you know stuff, No, like no one is
Speaker 2: interested in that low like anyone who like saw you know,
Speaker 2: Billy Horsfell's or no, who was it that smacked the
Speaker 2: gator and like put back.
Speaker 3: Into the Cody Gribble, Cody.
Speaker 2: Gribble, So like the gator, like snacking the gater. That
Speaker 2: must have been like the greatest day in like PGA
Speaker 2: to our social history or like the you know and
Speaker 2: everyone so everyone is chasing like some sort of animal.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing about that is it organically happened, yes,
Speaker 1: and like that is why it was so great. It's
Speaker 1: like you know that.
Speaker 2: They're in a meeting somewhere someone's like we should release
Speaker 2: the gator out of the course, try to recreate the mold.
Speaker 1: I think I think this year they had like Cody
Speaker 1: Gribble like try and recreate it. It's like, no, this
Speaker 1: doesn't work. Where you're beating, you're killing it.
Speaker 2: It's like my least favorite one, though, is that you
Speaker 2: see this every single week of like so it such
Speaker 2: and such player gets it.
Speaker 3: We made this kid's day.
Speaker 2: Or it's like some little kid who signing autograph or
Speaker 2: handing him a ball, and it's like this really kind
Speaker 2: of maudlin, like yeah, this guy he gets it.
Speaker 3: He knows what's up.
Speaker 2: And like sometimes I see players who are doing it
Speaker 2: and having dealt with them media wise, I know that
Speaker 2: they're kind of dicks and some the idea that like
Speaker 2: the tour is like yeah, this guy gets it. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: this guy is kind of really like a pain in
Speaker 2: the butt to deal with.
Speaker 1: It's uh yeah, I I this could be a conversation
Speaker 1: for a for another time. Yeah, you could have a
Speaker 1: whole podcast on fixing social media accounts across goff.
Speaker 3: So virtual reality that.
Speaker 1: Some people might say that me and you are terrible
Speaker 1: at social media too.
Speaker 3: I had friends say that to me at some point.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think you know, wait till they read
Speaker 2: the they listened to this ninety minute podcast.
Speaker 1: If they make it to the end of this, then
Speaker 1: good on you.
Speaker 2: My favorite thing is, like, if you want to hide
Speaker 2: a secret from the world, the best place to say
Speaker 2: it is at the end of a podcast.
Speaker 3: People might listen to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's It's kind of funny though, Like a lot
Speaker 1: of times I'll say something at the end and then
Speaker 1: I'll get like a ton of emails from people like, hey,
Speaker 1: what what can you tell me more about what you said?
Speaker 1: All right, but uh, hey, pleasure, we'll get We'll do
Speaker 1: it again. You know now that you've been you've been
Speaker 1: on you know it's you're you're a busy guy though,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm I'm always gonna make time for the Friday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh follow you on on Twitter. I don't
Speaker 1: know what your handle is, Van Valkenberg van Valconberg. You
Speaker 1: got a nice little blue check mark.
Speaker 2: I ready to throw some some memes out there about
Speaker 2: kids who get it, players who get it. You'll see
Speaker 2: me all PGA tweeting, tweeting out the content.
Speaker 1: Yeah you should, you should get just looks of disgust
Speaker 1: from players, pictures of them after they hit a bad shot.
Speaker 1: This guy gets it.
Speaker 3: I think that's the new hashtag. Would be great golf.
Speaker 3: Golf is hard, players looking pissed. This guy gets it.
Speaker 1: Golf is hard. If Monday was a golf if if
Speaker 1: it was a golf shot. All right, well, all right, man,
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