WEBVTT - Changing Golf with Kevin Van Valkenburg

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This week I am joined by Kevin van Valkenberg of ESPN.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin and I did something a little bit different this week.

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<v Speaker 1>We took on the make believe role of Golf Zar,

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<v Speaker 1>where each of us were co chairs of the position

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<v Speaker 1>and came up with five ideas to change golf. It

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<v Speaker 1>was fun, a little bit different format, and on top

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<v Speaker 1>of that, we discuss what's been going on the tour

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<v Speaker 1>this season last week at RBC, and then we looked

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<v Speaker 1>ahead to next week's PGA Championship at Belle Reeve. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you guys enjoy the conversation with Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss a green for example, I'm already upset when

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<v Speaker 2>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I find my.

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<v Speaker 2>Ball in a frid egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg,

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<v Speaker 2>Frida egg, Frida egg brid Egg, Frida egg bride egg Lie.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm about ready to run off of the hump course.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you watch last week?

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<v Speaker 2>I only watched the little bits of it as I

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<v Speaker 2>was traveling for vacation stuff, so I can only comment

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<v Speaker 2>vaguely and generally about DJ.

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<v Speaker 1>And Spuch yeah, I think that's all that. The takeaway

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<v Speaker 1>from last week was is that, yeah, dj is really

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<v Speaker 1>good at golf.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and it's hard to be really good every week,

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<v Speaker 2>so like he does it better than most. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>still even if you only have one major, Like that's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that still means you really good at golf.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. When he I mean he is. It's funny because

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<v Speaker 1>he's what thirty four now, yeah, so thirty four he's

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<v Speaker 1>so he's got ten more years in front of him.

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<v Speaker 3>M h.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we're going to be talking about probably close

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<v Speaker 1>to forty wins. Yeah, probably another major or two.

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<v Speaker 3>You would think, yeah, at least one major, I would think.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's probably you know, even pick to win

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<v Speaker 2>the PGA next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That golf course is going to fit him really well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to see see a Bomber heavy

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<v Speaker 1>board next week. But I mean, you're starting to get

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<v Speaker 1>into the top maybe twenty golfers of all time, top thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the what is DJD to do to get

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<v Speaker 2>into the top, say, top twenty golfers of all time?

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<v Speaker 2>Because he would he need to win if he wins,

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<v Speaker 2>no more majors, but wins like forty, has forty wins,

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<v Speaker 2>probably got to make a pretty good case that he

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<v Speaker 2>is regardless of the lack of majors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's got all those WGCs, which I think value

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<v Speaker 1>or are pretty good value, you know, in terms of wins.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I think two majors though, is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like an it's got you have to have two majors.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's I think there's sixty guys that have

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<v Speaker 1>won two majors. That's yeah, and so like I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I think having two majors is like really big. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Zach Johnson's got too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he does it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a He's another interesting guy when it comes to career.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, is he a hall of Famer?

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<v Speaker 3>I think he is.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see how you can't put him in the

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame. I mean there's I mean, look, he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to get into the Hall of Fame. I think

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of whether he we really feel like he is

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<v Speaker 2>a Hall of Famer. But I kind of feel like

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<v Speaker 2>he is a Hall of famer. Like that's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some of it might be over achieved your talent, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean two majors on two iconic courses, he's got

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<v Speaker 2>what like fourteen thirteen wins somewhere in there that might

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<v Speaker 2>overset that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's about right. Yeah, how do you how

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<v Speaker 1>do you count worldwide wins versus PGA tour wind?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know Calgary player counts them pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything with like four guys throwing money in a pot

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<v Speaker 2>as a win. But yeah, I would say depends on

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<v Speaker 2>the field, right, I mean you got to have like

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<v Speaker 2>at least you know, at least some I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>what like twenty five other like top four hundred players

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<v Speaker 2>or something for it to really count. I mean you're

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise like who are you beating? And on some of

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<v Speaker 2>these euro events where you know, the highest ranked players

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<v Speaker 2>sixteenth in the next highest ranked players like seventy fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>like what you know, how was that?

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<v Speaker 3>How was that the same quality of win as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Bridge Stone or Arnold Palmer or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like there needs to be like a waiting

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<v Speaker 1>because but yeah, I mean a win is is so

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, where would my boy Westy be if you waited?

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<v Speaker 1>Like runner ups and majors?

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<v Speaker 3>Are we still in the way.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you feel that ELS is better than

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<v Speaker 2>mix and career wise, but can we make the are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to are willing to stand up and make

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<v Speaker 2>the case that Westy had a better career than mix Center.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's too much. I think Westy was like it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>What I love about west is like he legit lost

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<v Speaker 1>his game, Yeah, like it was gone for like three years.

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<v Speaker 1>I always I like guys that like lose their game, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>come back. I think it's just it shows a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more grit, you know, and like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>so many of these guys end up getting onto her

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<v Speaker 1>at age twenty three now or twenty two, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, seeing people go through struggles like is that's

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<v Speaker 1>part of the journey as a golfer, I kind of think,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's why I think sometimes like the best players

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<v Speaker 1>are the most boring players.

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<v Speaker 2>That is correct, Yes, that's what I think. Tiger's more

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<v Speaker 2>compelling now than he was at the height. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, for me, that's just my personal feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've always felt.

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<v Speaker 2>Like to me, he was much more relatable and rootable

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<v Speaker 2>at this at this inevitable kind of comeback. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that's the guy I've always been wanting to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>root for, Like I don't know that I could say

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<v Speaker 2>that I wanted Tiger to win back when he was awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>But now I definitely want him to win.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, obviously, like a lot of that's my personal bias,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm I'm totally like in on this Tiger comeback.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's a human for like the first

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<v Speaker 1>time in his career.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, like hugging Crime with his kids and telling

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<v Speaker 2>him like, yeah, I just try my best, like that

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<v Speaker 2>never would have happened to me.

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<v Speaker 3>The most human moment of his career is when he.

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<v Speaker 2>Hugged seveter the the Open Championship at Hoylake and just

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, completely laid bare, like thinking about his dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's Holake, right, Yeah, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>was Hoylake.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't hook slily after he and I played Hoylake

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<v Speaker 2>and I shot like eighty four eighty six.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I didn't know. That wasn't the crying moment for me.

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<v Speaker 3>But the routing was different. They didn't have the eighteenth

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<v Speaker 3>total like it was when Rory won it either, so.

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<v Speaker 1>The grand stands were not either.

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<v Speaker 2>So right, Yeah, I mean that's pretty key moment to

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<v Speaker 2>have the grand stands.

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<v Speaker 1>Up the Tiger. I mean the downside of him being

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<v Speaker 1>a human is like, you know, robot Tiger of the

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<v Speaker 1>mid two thousand wouldn't have would have won that tournament

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks ago, car Newsty like it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been game over he hit the back nine. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>like human Tiger has. He has issues that he has

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<v Speaker 1>to get over.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true, but that's what makes more awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, you know, I really feel like the most Tiger

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<v Speaker 2>Major of all time is going to come, like in

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<v Speaker 2>the next three or four years, when he turns like

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<v Speaker 2>and puts up a thirty on the back nine Augusta

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<v Speaker 2>and just snatches one from I don't know, someone who

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<v Speaker 2>you think is just running away with it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit crazy that this golf season is

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<v Speaker 1>like almost over.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it truly is.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine how it'll feel when the PGA is moved up

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<v Speaker 2>and after the British were like, oh well, what is.

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<v Speaker 3>There to look forward to.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious your take on PGA and may do you

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<v Speaker 1>think it's better?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it'll bring different courses into play, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I mean, I just feel like the

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<v Speaker 3>PGA has no identity, like.

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<v Speaker 2>I everybody who's trudging out Saint Louis, myself included. It's like, really,

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<v Speaker 2>like why are we going to this course? And what

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<v Speaker 2>is what does anyone can I mean to me, like

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<v Speaker 2>you just if you win a PGA, it's worth like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, zero point seventy.

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<v Speaker 3>Five other majors.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I guess maybe moving it up into the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the season makes it sort of a better

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<v Speaker 2>part of the narrative as opposed to sort of.

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<v Speaker 3>Like oh the afterthought other major. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what's your take.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I mean, I think like j Monahan,

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<v Speaker 1>this might go down in his career is like the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest move the greatest like robbery of all time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because August there's like nothing going on. Yeah, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>PGA has like I think it's almost done well for

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<v Speaker 1>what it is because of its date in August. And

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<v Speaker 1>you go to May, like if it's on the West Coast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like an NBA basketball nut, like I'd much

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<v Speaker 1>rather watch like the finals of the NBA, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're budding into like conference finals, Like why would

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<v Speaker 1>you go into contend against the NHL and the NBA. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in May versus. And you know, the other thing about

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<v Speaker 1>May is like most of the country is just getting

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<v Speaker 1>into golf season.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true, So.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're just it's just a it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a bad deal for the PGA. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>they got them convinced him to do it, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, the European Tours gotta be doing backflips.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to think, like, what's the most memorable

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<v Speaker 2>PGA in your lifetime, Bob May, Yeah, that's it. But

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<v Speaker 2>other than that, like, you know, does anybody really remember

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<v Speaker 2>even like I don't know, like Michaelson att Balta Strawl

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<v Speaker 2>or like Tiger att you know he beat Paul Casey.

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<v Speaker 2>What was that that uta? Yeah, just boring, like nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sergio Tiger one was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was probably that probably is up there too.

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<v Speaker 2>But other than that, like, I don't know it just

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<v Speaker 2>hope hopefully this will make it. You know, it makes

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<v Speaker 2>it very easily that someone could get hot and win

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<v Speaker 2>the Masters and the PGA in that quick stretch and

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, like it seems more fun

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<v Speaker 2>that the Grand Slam is in play or somebody's like

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<v Speaker 2>on a roll for having a huge season, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in on that.

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<v Speaker 1>It does put it in four straight months, which is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but most seasons of other sports are just in

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<v Speaker 3>a four month window.

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<v Speaker 1>Right You You don't remember when Rory, you know, fended

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<v Speaker 1>off David Lynn with the title at Kiowa.

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<v Speaker 3>That is one of my least memorable PGAs.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, yes, I mean David Lynn.

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<v Speaker 3>David Lynn and wasn't Uh, Carl Petterson was like third.

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<v Speaker 1>And that hot Carl Petterson was third. There's there was

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<v Speaker 1>four four Englishmen in the top the top three, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's one of those Tiger Majors that no

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<v Speaker 2>one talks about where he was sort of in it

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<v Speaker 2>and then just completely like didn't wasn't a factor in

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<v Speaker 2>the end because he was like midway through, right, he

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<v Speaker 2>was only like a couple shots off the lead, like

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember watching some of it like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was sort of kind of a factor and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Rory just completely blew the vaporized field.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's like when he you know, people always talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Tigers Majors about how like they none of them

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<v Speaker 2>existed after two thousand and eight, But he was like

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<v Speaker 2>in contention in a lot of like Royal Saint George's

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<v Speaker 2>and like, you know, the Olympic Field, Olympic Fields, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a bunch of Tiger Majors that when we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Curnesy, like you probably should have won, so there

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<v Speaker 2>at least, yeah, a couple of those other ones that

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<v Speaker 2>he just wasn't even he kind of just completely faded

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<v Speaker 2>out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as so Rory that year went sixty seven, seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven, sixty six, Like I mean, he had he

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<v Speaker 1>shot seventy five and still won by uh he said,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five and a round still one by eight.

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<v Speaker 3>That might be the most Rory major of all time actually,

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<v Speaker 3>now that I think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's kind of it's kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's something that I'm kind of perplexed by. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just is Rory.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I you know, I spent like a year sort

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<v Speaker 2>of trying to write a piece about him, like after

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<v Speaker 2>it was after twenty fourteen, and it was actually like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more of an interesting year in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was. I followed him around for fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>and then like dropped a piece like at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of sixteen like in The Masters, and essentially the thesis

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<v Speaker 2>of it was like Rory doesn't really know what he wants,

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<v Speaker 2>and I in terms of like does he want to

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<v Speaker 2>have Tiger's career, does he want to have Mixon's career?

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<v Speaker 3>Does he want to have like his normal life?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, like I think for a while, he

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<v Speaker 2>really I still don't know like if if we figured

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<v Speaker 2>that out, Like I think he definitely wants a more

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<v Speaker 2>normal life, and it's clear like he didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>basically like alienate everyone around him and have no close

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<v Speaker 2>friends and be obsessed with pursue of greatness like Tiger.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm still not sure exactly if he's figured out,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, does he how great does he sort

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<v Speaker 2>of want to be?

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<v Speaker 3>Or like does that even?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that even like just silly sports amateur psychoanalysis, And

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<v Speaker 2>then he's trying really really hard to be great, and

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<v Speaker 2>just because it's not winning, it allows people like me

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<v Speaker 2>to be like, oh, you just don't want it enough,

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<v Speaker 2>which is silly.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he also has like the there's like a blessing

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<v Speaker 1>and a curse of being the first superstar in the

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<v Speaker 1>sport post Tiger yeah, and with that came like he's

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<v Speaker 1>the first superstar that's dealt with like Tiger Riches. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not Tiger, that's true, you know, and that I think

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<v Speaker 1>the money thing is like a big thing because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what was he nineteen when he had that Emirates deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's been getting crazy endorsement money since, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a really young age. And then you go and you

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<v Speaker 1>factor in just like I just I mean, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to be really good at golf for a really long time, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like there's so much time you have to

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<v Speaker 1>put in to improve and everybody's gotten better at golf,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the level of play has certainly gotten better, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of factors with that that that go

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<v Speaker 1>into it. But like part of that is like it's

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<v Speaker 1>just really hard to get better once you reach higher

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<v Speaker 1>levels of golf.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, and it's like everyone has that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a window where they're like truly great. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>Rory's points out a couple of times, like most guys

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<v Speaker 2>win all their majors in like a eight nine year

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<v Speaker 2>period and you know, maybe you're already sort of had

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<v Speaker 2>his Like I mean, when is Roy's career that much

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<v Speaker 2>dramatically different than Tom Watson's other than the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>there there wasn't as many talented people around, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when Watson was winning his eight majors or whatever, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I always thought that that was Rory's kind of benchmark

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<v Speaker 2>because like Watson's career or you know that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>six seven, eight majors like that, that would be an

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<v Speaker 2>enormous amount in today's game.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if he's gonna get there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's quite fascinating. I uh, just looking what the

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<v Speaker 1>thing I think that majors. It's it's crazy because I

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<v Speaker 1>think the depth of great players is a little bit higher,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we were just talking about with like there's more

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<v Speaker 1>like the level of play has increased. Is that winning

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<v Speaker 1>a major is so much harder, But like that's just

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<v Speaker 1>the way people are evaluated, Like, yeah, would DJ go

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<v Speaker 1>home with say he doesn't win again this year three wins?

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<v Speaker 1>Was this year a disappointment because he didn't get a major? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like and then you could say this exact same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like rattling down the top ten, like if Spith doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>win a major, is this year a disappointment? I like

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<v Speaker 1>think this year obviously hasn't been great for Speed, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet he's.

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<v Speaker 3>In two majors.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was thinking that exact same thing or this year,

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<v Speaker 2>Like would you like overrated or underrated Speed's entire season?

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<v Speaker 2>Like would you would he trade it for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>previous year where he might have had three wins but

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<v Speaker 2>didn't contend in a Major's a good question. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he could have won two majors this year. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>yet he's had like a pretty bad season for his standards.

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<v Speaker 1>What about Ricky.

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<v Speaker 3>Man? Rick to me is like the biggest conundrum in

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing, Like I have, I've rowed for Rick

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<v Speaker 3>for a while and then I've been like critical of

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<v Speaker 3>him and then I sort of got back on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I really thought that, like Carneisty was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>his major, and he just was never really a factor.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought, you know, he's creative, he can, he's

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<v Speaker 2>a great win player. He's especially a pretty good putter

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<v Speaker 2>on flag means that I don't know why it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>there for him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's ah, he's a fascinating case study. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the consistency level of his play throughout like the

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<v Speaker 1>last I don't know, five years has been out of

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<v Speaker 1>this world good, you know, like very few players. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a he's been a top ten player despite not

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<v Speaker 1>winning a lot, and that doesn't really happen.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at like the top ten in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>they win a lot and he doesn't win a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I sort of said at the US Open last year,

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<v Speaker 2>at some point like if you're a generally a great,

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<v Speaker 2>generationally great player, you got to win a couple of these,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, one or two, Like you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>we said, Zac Johnson's got two majors. Ricky is a

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<v Speaker 2>way more talented player than Jack Johnson. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at some point, doesn't don't you have to kind of say, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like if if un let's if we that sports has

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<v Speaker 2>not played on a spreadsheet or in a computer. At

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<v Speaker 2>some point, your inability to shoot like a good round

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<v Speaker 2>in on a Sunday when you're in contention at a

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<v Speaker 2>major and win it is sort of a knock on you.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what, He's shot a great round in

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<v Speaker 2>the Masters this year, and Patrick Greed, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>barely hung on. So like I kind of feel like

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<v Speaker 2>often with him, I'm arguing out of both sides of

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<v Speaker 2>my mouth, Like it's a little bit of circumstantial bias, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm saying he's he should do this, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the Masters he did kind of do it, and he

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<v Speaker 2>still didn't win. So but at some point over over time,

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<v Speaker 2>all those things add up, aren't you ever? Like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>when is this going to work out for you?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. That's a hard answer to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick's Majors, like it always comes down to one moment,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I like, I can't get over like he made

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<v Speaker 1>a triple last year in the first round at Coyle

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<v Speaker 1>Hollow because he like tried to hit an absurd shot

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<v Speaker 1>out of a fairway bunker, and like nobody wins majors

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<v Speaker 1>with triples. But at the Masters this year, it was

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<v Speaker 1>that second shot on thirteen, Yeah, where like you, I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking at this, I'm like, what is he doing

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:13.959
<v Speaker 1>before he hit it? And then he hits it right

0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.360
<v Speaker 1>in the water, and it's like, why did he do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you just lay up and make you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably from there. Your average score if he had

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<v Speaker 1>just laid up was like four to three, you know,

0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:28.280
<v Speaker 1>and he might have made a three if he hit

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<v Speaker 1>a miraculous shot from from where he was, but the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the percentages were probably just about the same.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing about majors is it comes down

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<v Speaker 1>to like a bounce here or a you know, a

0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:46.600
<v Speaker 1>putt dropping there, And I don't know, that's what always

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:48.960
<v Speaker 1>it always sticks with Like I think you can almost

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.720
<v Speaker 1>go through every major Ricky's been close at and you

0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.280
<v Speaker 1>find one hole where it's just like, what were you

0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:55.800
<v Speaker 1>doing here?

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<v Speaker 3>I think you look.

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<v Speaker 2>I often think about that very thing when we're thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of like Nicholas's career and if you you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>they put up all those old masters online, it was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of really fascinating to watch like how conservative Nicholas played,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was just who he was. Like he was

0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:18.199
<v Speaker 2>just gonna basically like make other guys make mistakes, just

0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:22.120
<v Speaker 2>wear them down and never do a truly dumb thing

0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:27.720
<v Speaker 2>that lost him a tournament. And you could say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe if Nicholas played like Arnold Palmer his whole career,

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<v Speaker 2>he might have won twenty majors, twenty five majors, but

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.520
<v Speaker 2>he also might have won thirteen or eleven, like if

0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.000
<v Speaker 2>he had just been aggressive and dumb all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And so like, over time, it's like staying on eighteen

0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 2>in blackjack, right, like, you never hit on that number,

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.960
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna win a lot of hands and you might

0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.840
<v Speaker 2>lose them too, but you might as well just keep

0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.600
<v Speaker 2>playing it out because and that's why Nicholas basically didn't

0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.359
<v Speaker 2>finish out of the top ten in a major for

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<v Speaker 2>you know what ten years almost because he was so

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<v Speaker 2>good and he just never threw away a tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like the thing at Augusta too, is like when

0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 1>you go hunting for the score is when it gets you.

0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:17.960
<v Speaker 1>And if you just I feel like if you just

0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.920
<v Speaker 1>take care of business out there almost you know, there

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of hard holes, harder holes now, but

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<v Speaker 1>like at the same time, like you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>if you take care of business on the par fives,

0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:31.480
<v Speaker 1>like you're already like three under just starting round, you know,

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.520
<v Speaker 1>if you say you birdy three out of the four

0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.800
<v Speaker 1>of them, like you know, like and that's a pretty

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:40.560
<v Speaker 1>feasible thing to do. And it's like, all right, well,

0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 1>like let's just take care of business the rest of

0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the way and not do anything really dumb. But I

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.479
<v Speaker 1>mean it's way easier to say that than do it

0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:53.440
<v Speaker 1>in a tournament, for sure, So hey, for we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do a little something different. We're gonna do uh litt

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<v Speaker 1>uh if if each of us became co golf Czar of.

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<v Speaker 3>The world of the world, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And we get to just this is our initial

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.239
<v Speaker 1>meeting about what we're gonna do, and we each come

0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:14.639
<v Speaker 1>come with five ideas. You know, what are the five?

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:18.119
<v Speaker 1>So we'll just alternate back and forth. One idea, one idea,

0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.560
<v Speaker 1>what's the what's the first thing you do?

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<v Speaker 3>First thing I do?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I've been thinking about this for a while,

0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.440
<v Speaker 2>and I've said some of this before publicly, but I'm

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:32.560
<v Speaker 2>ready to formulate my own argument entirely. I think if

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<v Speaker 2>I was a golf zar and I like could make

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<v Speaker 2>any one decision that I thought was realistic, it would

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:39.720
<v Speaker 2>be that the Masters should.

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:40.200
<v Speaker 3>Have its own ball.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you show up there, you can have a

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:45.560
<v Speaker 2>low spin version, you can have a high spin version,

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 2>and then each one of those maybe you can have

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:49.399
<v Speaker 2>a firm or soft version.

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 3>But that's it.

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Like Fred Radley has to hand you your you know,

0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 2>three sleeves of golf balls when you show up for

0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 2>bragtist round or whatever, and that's it.

0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:01.120
<v Speaker 3>That's all you're allowed to play.

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:05.320
<v Speaker 2>With, and that like, because the Masters the Guessa is

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:08.840
<v Speaker 2>the only place in golf that could basically say.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, we don't care.

0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 2>We don't care if you if there's backlash, we don't

0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:15.880
<v Speaker 2>care if the equipment companies pout. We don't care if

0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.560
<v Speaker 2>you sit out of the tournament and say I can't

0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 2>play unless I get to have my ball. This is

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:23.720
<v Speaker 2>how it's going to be from now on, and if

0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 2>you pass on it, we'll bump the next guy up

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:28.800
<v Speaker 2>on the list. Guess what, we're taking another guy to

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.959
<v Speaker 2>make our field of ninety. And that might be the

0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:37.080
<v Speaker 2>one thing that would sort of slowly over time rein

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:42.359
<v Speaker 2>in the game without a dramatic, like huge car crash

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:46.119
<v Speaker 2>of a change, because they obviously the Master's proved like,

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:48.680
<v Speaker 2>we don't care if you protest the tournament. We don't

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:50.479
<v Speaker 2>care if you pull all the ads. We're just going

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.439
<v Speaker 2>to broadcast an entire thing without any ads, Like, we

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.439
<v Speaker 2>don't care. If you know there's tons of people who

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 2>want tickets every year and can't get them.

0:24:58.560 --> 0:24:59.920
<v Speaker 3>That all sort of fits in.

0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:03.040
<v Speaker 2>With the ethos of the place, and then you could

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 2>get back the course in some ways that you know,

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Jones and Mackenzie originally wanted to have. You could put

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 2>teas in different places. You could not have to buy

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 2>up millions of acres of land from the country club

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 2>next door. Like you can have your tournament back the

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 2>way you want it, and maybe some skill is sort

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 2>of you know, returned to the tournament or at least

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 2>like some realistic you know, like a guy like DJ

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 2>still going to hit.

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 3>It farther than everybody, a guy like We'rey's still going

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:34.639
<v Speaker 3>to hit it farther than everybody. But you don't have

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:35.400
<v Speaker 3>to have.

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Five hundred and thirty yard part fours anymore if you

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 2>don't want to.

0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Did they still hit wedgend two?

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, correct, guys are going to be hitting you know,

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.199
<v Speaker 2>seven eight hors at least. It's because I think I

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 2>think it's a little bit strange that whenever we talk

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 2>about like reeling in distance, we never talk about clubs.

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 2>We only talk about the ball, like we got to

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 2>roll back the ball. But I also think that, you know,

0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 2>in part because the ball is the one thing where

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:04.679
<v Speaker 2>one sort of tournament could say, Yep, this is what

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna do. You're gonna take You're gonna take our ball.

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 2>And then if that's the case, then you know, Nichols

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 2>might say, you know.

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 3>What, at the memorial, we're also going.

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.400
<v Speaker 2>To play like the version of the ball that I want,

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 2>or you know, the pomrotational or you know, some of

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 2>the invite courses are like the invite tournaments say, yeah,

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:22.760
<v Speaker 2>we love that idea and we love that.

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 3>I guess it took a stand.

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>We can't afford to keep extending our courses so that

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, guys Aaron Wise can hit it

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:34.640
<v Speaker 2>four hundred and twenty yards and they wedgend every hole.

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna basically say this is what it is,

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.400
<v Speaker 2>and that would maybe change the tide eventually.

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:40.400
<v Speaker 3>In the game.

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, I my first things as Cozar was rollback equipment.

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 3>There you go.

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I did I think that. I think it's kind of

0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>almost a myth. Like I don't think equipment makes bad

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.719
<v Speaker 1>golfers better. Yeah, Like, I think that's like the biggest

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>myth in the world. I think that what it does.

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Like I play enough with like my buddies who are beginners,

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>like if you if if you hit it like the

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 1>way the technology is, it doesn't really spin that much,

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:13.199
<v Speaker 1>so they just hit it further offline. You know, and

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think it's it makes like I think

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 1>playing like older equipment, one of the things that it

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 1>did was like if you hit a bad shot, the

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:24.360
<v Speaker 1>ball got on the ground and rolled, you know, versus

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 1>like today's just flies forever offline. And I so that

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 1>would be that'd be mine. And obviously going with the

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:35.719
<v Speaker 1>ball is the popular thing. But I think that like

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's the whole thing. Like I think

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 1>it like fundamentals of golf have changed. I've talked with

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:47.680
<v Speaker 1>somebodies recently, is like, so my age of golfer, I'm

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>thirty two, and like, who's the greatest golfer that between

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the age of thirty and thirty five in the world.

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh, like it's Justin Rose under thirty five.

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 1>No, he's like thirty eight. So it's like it's like

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Web Simpson. Yeah, okay, And like I have this whole

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 1>theory is like we were the generation that grew up

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 1>like I grew up playing with professionals and like small heads.

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:18.919
<v Speaker 1>Like when I was in a freshman in high school,

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I think I hit the ball like two hundred and

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty yards and now like an am events, I play

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 1>with freshmen in high school that hit it like three

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 1>hundred and like their swings have changed fundamentally, like because

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>of equipment. Like so my generation had to learn a

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 1>new golf swing essentially like midway through our our career.

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 1>And like the older guys like you know, your Roses

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and Sergio Stenson, they like are were established, but then

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 1>this young crop, like the kids four years younger than

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>my generation, were just better. Yeah, it's it's it's a

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 1>it's a weird it's a weird thing. But like I

0:28:56.360 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 1>think that equipment is like if you took if no

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>new equipment was made tomorrow, like we no new equipment

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 1>is going to be made except for like balls, the

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 1>game would be perfectly fine. Yeah, like there's there's no need.

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just like an add on to the to the game.

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 1>And if you take away all the money that people

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 1>spend on equipment, you know what they're going to spend

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>their money on is like lessons and traveling to play golf.

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so to.

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Think like about the margins that equipment companies or ball

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 2>companies are chasing, Like if you were at this point,

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 2>the rules are sort of you know set. I mean,

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 2>remember like we were talking when we were sort of

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.959
<v Speaker 2>coming up. The idea of like a four hundred and

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 2>sixty CECED driver seemed absurd. But as soon as like

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>drivers couldn't get any bigger, then it had to be like, oh,

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>we're moving the weights to the back of it, or no,

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 2>we're like distributing the energy with this, you know, jailbreak technology.

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 2>We're doing this, and like at some point those kind

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 2>of things that you're able to do within the rules

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and like not having a trampoline effect on the ball.

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 3>Kind of maxed out.

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>You're chasing like half a yard or something here and

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 2>there in terms of I guess distance. And so that's

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 2>why I see, you know, like, hey, it's a new

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>set of irons that essentially a seven iron is playing

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>at what you know four iron was playing ten years ago,

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 2>and in terms of it's loft, and I don't think

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand how that's sustainable. Like ten years from now,

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>what is the what are the equipment companies going to

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 2>be saying to kind of like this to market to

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>you to get make you better.

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's like when one of your biggest problems as

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>a sport is the expense of the sport, Like when

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>you talk about it's like one of the biggest barriers

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>to entry for golf, Like why like and then but

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>like what the equipment industry does is it it makes

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>people feel like they need to buy this new five

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars driver, Like that is what contributes to the

0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>expense of the sport totally.

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I have a gridy is that we have a golf

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 2>tournament were play and like every year every year, so

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>everybody was like, well, should we buy a new driver

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 2>this year? And it's it's the point where you you know,

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 2>it's silly, like how is that helping guys who are

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 2>literally at best, like a sixteen handicap upgrade from one

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 2>driver to the next.

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>It's just not Yeah, it's that's like what and think

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>about it, if you spend that money, if that like

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 1>sixteen handicap spent the money that they spend on equipment

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 1>on lessons, like they would be better, you know, and

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 1>like that would actually make up Like you know, I

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>know pros always are like, well, if you take away

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>equipment sales, like it's gonna kill my shot. But like,

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>if you take away equipment sales, you're gonna do You're

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna people are gonna take more lessons. Yeah, so you're

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna make it up that way.

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I do think there is like a desire for the

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.719
<v Speaker 2>quick fix, in the sense of like, oh this this

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 2>driver's gonna make me finally good. I don't have to

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 2>put in the hours of like I've taken a bunch

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>of lessons this year, and it's hard to like remake

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>your swing, hard to really grind over. You know, so

0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 2>many people who are golfers like me, like I'm a nine,

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>they're still essentially like closing the club face with their hands,

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 2>like hitting a flip. And so for me, like learning

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 2>how to square my body an impact has been sort

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>of frustrating experience. Whereas but now like I'm better than

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I was in January, but there was definitely weeks where

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>I was like I'm just lost, man, I just totally lost.

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 2>And I think that getting past that version of feeling

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 2>lost is a hard thing for some people, and so

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:34.719
<v Speaker 2>that's why they look for other answers and just like

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 2>oh this I hit this, you know this iron today

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 2>that was essentially.

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 3>Like flew ten yards through. That must be the answer.

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>And I'm happy to pay the extra, you know, eight

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars for these set of irons of one day

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 2>it feels great.

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Hey, you know, Bryson taught the world that everybody feels

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>lost some days.

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 3>All right, what's your number two?

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.040
<v Speaker 1>My number two would be you know, I would and

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I'd abolish the PGA Tour and European Tour and make

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 1>a world tour.

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I love it.

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I just I think that it's too confusing. I think

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 1>that like by central centralizing the professional golf world, like

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you could have more flow up and down and just

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 1>make like really premier events, Like I I can't stand

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 1>wgc's They're like my least favorite tour events because like,

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's they what they should be, and what

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>they are is like a disgrace, you know. It's so

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I would have like that, you got your majors, right,

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 1>you keep the majors, put them over here, right, But

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>then like why not have like a premier national open

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 1>rotation where you play you know, the Irish Open, the

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Scottish Open, the Australian Open, the japan Open, South African Open,

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>and Canadian Open, like you know, take kind of the

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>most golf rich countries and put those countries as like

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 1>your premier side events, and then you have an American

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:10.359
<v Speaker 1>World Tour schedule and say it's the top, say the

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>top three hundred people qualify for this tour that goes

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 1>all year round, there's no off season any ways. And

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 1>then from there you have a secondary US and World

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 1>tour that feeds into this top tour. But like you know,

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>like I think about like that guy who is at

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Dan McCarthy a couple of years ago that won like

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 1>four straight events on the Canadian Tour. Yeah, yeah, and

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 1>then you know he got a thumb injury. He had

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>to just sit down there and play these Canadian Tour

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 1>events all year. He got a thumb injury right when

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>he gets on the web the next year, and like

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>he was out for almost the entire year. Like that

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>guy really got screwed by the system, because you can't

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>tell me he was winning Canadian Tour events by seven

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>to eight shots, like he should have gotten bumped up.

0:34:56.440 --> 0:35:00.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And in that respect, is the LPGA more of

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 3>a true world tour? Yeah?

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it is. I think in it it shows like you,

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just think with the way modern travel

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 1>has eased the need, like the struggle of having a

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 1>world tour so much.

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, I mean, there's so many good courses around

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>the world that never we don't, like unless you're kind

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 2>of a psycho like we are, you know, most people

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know about. It would be so much fun to

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 2>see those courses featured, you know, and.

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Think about how much like how good it is for

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the game of golf to have the best players in

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:42.319
<v Speaker 1>the world visiting these countries, you know, and like people

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>could throw in, like all of sudden, you know, people

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:46.319
<v Speaker 1>could throw in like, hey, I'm gonna go play the

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 1>New Zealand Open this year because like it's at Terry Etiers,

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, I doubt it would be there, but like,

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, somewhere really cool. Like I think like it

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>would just and like I think it would just work

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 1>in today's day and age, like it's it's time. Like

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>and especially I figure with all the contracts, I'm not

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>getting this thing. This thing's not happening untill twenty thirty.

0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>But that's the way I would do it, is I

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 1>would I would push that, and I would you know,

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 1>I would make these events really great, great courses, and

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 1>then I would have like a much more fluid, you

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 1>know kind of way of players coming in and out

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and who qualifies for really the premier events who's not

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 1>and you know you got to work your way in

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 1>you can fall out. I think that would be you

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:35.120
<v Speaker 1>know much more, you know it would it would. I

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 1>would come up with the system, some way of having

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:41.240
<v Speaker 1>a ranking which deems what tournaments you get into.

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I like it and that way too, Like if you

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.880
<v Speaker 2>say you win in Australia, you get like an exemption

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.399
<v Speaker 2>on the tour or whatever for a year. Like it's

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 2>not just like, oh, it doesn't matter, like the idea

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 2>that like when Jordan's Peace won the Australian Open on

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 2>a good course that it was like not even counted

0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 2>as like a win for him. That you're to me silly,

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Like that was a good field and he won a

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:07.280
<v Speaker 2>prestigious tournament and was like the beginning of Speef becoming

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 2>a truly like good player. It was posts the Masters

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:14.320
<v Speaker 2>where he didn't he didn't win it when Ian Babo

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 2>sort of went toe to toe and that was like

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>the moment that speak and that in the sort of

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 2>grander scheme of things, it's almost like that win counts

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 2>for nothing, but that was kind of an important thing.

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.319
<v Speaker 1>I like, I like to I mean, yeah, it's like

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 1>the same thing with Harold Varner. He won that Australian

0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 1>PGA and it was a really good field, you know,

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>And it goes back to that problem we had with

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Worldwide Wind, you know, like how do you count him?

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Like now we know because everybody's on the same tour,

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:43.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, we know how strong that field was, because

0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 1>like who knows how good how good is you to

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Keda in Japan? Yeah, it's probably pretty good, but he's

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 1>not as good in America because he just it seems

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 1>like the transition is tough for him.

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, and there's such a huge golf market in Asia,

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 2>like why not have you know, more like on of

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:04.240
<v Speaker 2>two events or something every year like the Japan National

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Open or the South Korea National Open, Like those should

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.879
<v Speaker 2>be like events where a lot of guys are are

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 2>in it and sort of contending for that because that's

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 2>where the game is sort of booming now, and you know,

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 2>getting a huge field that has Tiger and Phil and

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Rory and stuff like that would be totally beneficial for

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.879
<v Speaker 2>the game and then rewarding them for going that far

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 2>and saying like yeah, this is this counts as official

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:33.800
<v Speaker 2>win discounts as you know, towards your lifetime exemption status,

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 2>like all that would be good to the game.

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and instead of having like sixty events in the US,

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 1>there's twenty, right, and then there's more across the world

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 1>with better players, like all of a sudden, like the

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 1>seventieth ranked player in the world is playing, you know,

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 1>really an interesting schedule where like Billy Horschel isn't really

0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>a big draw in America, but he would probably be

0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 1>a huge draw in Japan. Yeah, so that's what's what's

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 1>your number two?

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So similarly, maybe this is a little bit close

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 2>to my first, but the watching you and zb like

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 2>play around the States with Hickory clubs made me feel

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:17.800
<v Speaker 2>like I would love it if there was like a

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>tournament that was like a Hickory Club Challenge at like

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 2>an iconic course like National Golf Links or you know,

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 2>or Katie Buffs or something where, of course that we

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 2>don't see every year, where we truly get to see

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.839
<v Speaker 2>like the skill of the players compared to you know,

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 2>how golf game was like one hundred and fifty years ago.

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 3>So you can make the.

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 2>Best hickory clubs you want whatever, and you roll them

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 2>out and they're say you limit the field, you know,

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 2>because you're going to play one of these courses where

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 2>you can't have like huge grandstands whatever. So say, it's

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>like it has the more feel of like an amateur term.

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:56.839
<v Speaker 2>So we'd limit the crowds to like five thousand people

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 2>a day. It's like a lottery, and then you just

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 2>see like how good these guys as are with clubs

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 2>that you know, the old Tom Morris is the World

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 2>played with. I would be super in on that, and

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it would be if it was only one

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:08.200
<v Speaker 2>thing a year.

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:11.799
<v Speaker 3>It would be fun, get everyone micd up, make it.

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Into like a really sort of social fun thing, like

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 2>encourage the guys to dress kind of old school whatever,

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:21.880
<v Speaker 2>totally like enjoyable thing, and we'd get to see courses

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 2>that we just that are totally like mysteries to ninety percent.

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:26.360
<v Speaker 3>Of the country.

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 1>It would be amazing, it would you know, like that's it.

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:32.720
<v Speaker 1>That would be a great idea. I think in general,

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>like one of my points I didn't make with the

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 1>World Tour is like more variety in the events, Like

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to see different stuff. I want to see

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 1>a seven club tournament, yes, Like why don't why doesn't

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 1>that exist?

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 2>There's just so many tournaments that are begging for an

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 2>identity that you know, the idea that you know, Memphis

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 2>changed whatever and went to the sort of team format

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 2>gave them an identity that they totally didn't have. And

0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 2>so I would think that more tournaments that are struggling,

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 2>like you know, when Houston is like begging for a

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 2>spot so that we can see guys come out on

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:13.759
<v Speaker 2>a boring course and shoot sixteen under. How is that compelling?

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Like long term? Like it was so much better that

0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 2>By and Nelson moved to a course that was just

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:21.799
<v Speaker 2>dramatically different this year, And so how do we do

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 2>that with some of the other tournaments that that are struggling.

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't know, make.

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:30.760
<v Speaker 2>It a you know, a make a full, full tournament

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 2>field with you know, one hundred people were half for

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 2>women and half for men. They have to you have

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:37.719
<v Speaker 2>to team up with a partner, like instead of it

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:42.240
<v Speaker 2>being like a you know, tend whatever that that tournament

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 2>they play with Stableford and like you know, Lexi Thompson involved,

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Like make that into like a full tournament thing that's

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 2>totally fun. Like that would that would make people Some

0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 2>people might be like I'm not watching this, I don't care,

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 2>but some people are like, oh yeah, I love this

0:41:56.000 --> 0:42:00.880
<v Speaker 2>alternate shot with like Michelson and Karrie Webb like versus

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Tiger and like Sie Thompson, I'm in on this.

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 1>It's it the lack of variety in like the golf world,

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I use this analogy a lot for municipal golf

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>is like you know where like if you if I

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:19.800
<v Speaker 1>looked at Chicago municipal golf, like it's essentially like everything's

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.399
<v Speaker 1>exactly the same. So like I come to you, Hey,

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 1>I want to build this golf course and I'm gonna

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, or like hey, i want to build this

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:30.360
<v Speaker 1>donut shop and I'm gonna do it exactly like Dunkin

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:34.240
<v Speaker 1>Donuts does theirs. But it's like that's a horrible business

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 1>idea that would never get past. But like the same

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 1>thing with tournaments, Like, hey, so we want to have

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 1>a tournament in uh in Houston, and we're gonna do

0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:48.880
<v Speaker 1>it exactly the same as every other tournament. And I

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.760
<v Speaker 1>think we're just gonna it's gonna do really well because

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 1>you know we're Houston. Yeah, It's like that's not a

0:42:55.440 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 1>that no, no, Like no entrepreneur would approach like hosting

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:06.320
<v Speaker 1>their own tournament that way. Yeah, it's so I agree

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>with the Hickory thing. That would be really cool. What

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>do you guys would.

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Complain the most about the Hickory Club Challenge or who

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:13.960
<v Speaker 3>would be who would excel the most about the Hickory

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:15.720
<v Speaker 3>Club Challenge. That's what I would love to see.

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.399
<v Speaker 1>I think it would you would see obviously. I think

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>I think Rory would be so good. Yeah, as a

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Hickory player. Yeah, I actually think the ball strikers would

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 1>do really well because I think it's so much harder

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to hit the ball well all the time with with uh,

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 1>with Hickory's.

0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Jason days walking off the course and the Hickery Club Challenge,

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 2>isn't he at some point like it just did frustration

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 2>like I can't do it, Mike, this is total.

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I uh yeah, I could see, well see what would happen,

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:53.720
<v Speaker 1>and we saw it with Trinity as people just wouldn't

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 1>show up, which is the sad thing because like I

0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:00.319
<v Speaker 1>think I equate it to like if you told if

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 1>you ran a company with a bunch of salespeople, like

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>if you said, hey, we're changing your comp structure, you

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 1>could be giving them like the best deal ever and

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:11.439
<v Speaker 1>they would still like immediately be like wait, what, what

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:12.680
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing? You know.

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 2>They do they create I mean athletes, creative normalcy, and

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.799
<v Speaker 2>they creve. That's I think that the I mean, I'm

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 2>a certainly like pro labor sort of person, but I

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 2>also think that like in golf, like because they're all

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 2>independent contractors and because it's golf needs them, labor is

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:33.400
<v Speaker 2>so powerful that any kind of change makes them just

0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:36.720
<v Speaker 2>recoil and horror and they're so angry about the idea

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 2>of anything that's different. And I think that's that creates

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:43.279
<v Speaker 2>a very vanilla sameness and that's why a lot of

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the tournaments are just like so boring, Like I just

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:48.920
<v Speaker 2>feel like, oh, all these courses are the same, and

0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>all these swings are the same, and all these personalities

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.880
<v Speaker 2>are kind of the same. And that I think long

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 2>term like hurts golf. It's like baseball's going through that huge,

0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:00.439
<v Speaker 2>huge crisis about that now where every but he either

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.319
<v Speaker 2>walks or hits home runs or strikes out, and so

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.720
<v Speaker 2>the ball's never in play. Nothing is ever like different

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:07.359
<v Speaker 2>or creative, and I feel like golf needs to really

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 2>watch out or else that is going to like potentially

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:14.759
<v Speaker 2>happen and golf people just be like ough, Like why

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 2>am I turning in to see the Northern Trust, Like

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 2>it's the same thing as you know, the Arnold Palmer

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.319
<v Speaker 2>to me, like it's one's sunny and one's kind of

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, blustery and cold.

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>That's the I think that's the other thing is like

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 1>say what you will about like us Open and like

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:39.240
<v Speaker 1>one is compelling though, because like it's athletes overcoming adversity. Yeah,

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:42.640
<v Speaker 1>it's why Like the Open when the weather's bad is

0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 1>like insanely like it's like the best stuff to watch

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 1>is because that's the stuff you remember. You remember these

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>like great performances when you know the adversity is against

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 1>an athlete and and we don't have enough like I mean, frank,

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.080
<v Speaker 1>like the way the PGA Tour is set up is

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 1>like how the players want it to be set up

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:12.399
<v Speaker 1>so there is no adversity. Yeah, And I mean, how

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.400
<v Speaker 1>would you remember Jordan if there wasn't like the flu game?

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Yep, totally and honestly, like how would you remember Tiger

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 2>if he didn't hit it wild all the time? Like

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 2>the fact that Tiger everyone sort of thinks like Tiger

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 2>is like this dominant athlete, but so much of that

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 2>was like his ability to kind of recover from his

0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:33.560
<v Speaker 2>wildness off the tee or the fact that he was

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 2>just an incredible like short game player who hit these

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>amazing shots that were wayward, like the idea that you

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 2>know often times when someone wins, now it's because they

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:46.799
<v Speaker 2>just vomb it and then they hit it close and

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:49.399
<v Speaker 2>then they make a putt like it's not. I think

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 2>what made Tiger great is his ability to kind of

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:55.359
<v Speaker 2>overcome adversity that he put himself into in those situations.

0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, if you look at if you think

0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:02.360
<v Speaker 1>about like the most famous shots of all time, not

0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 1>one of them is a is a bomb drive right

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 1>down the middle of the fairway, And that's like what

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 1>has become of of golf highlights now absolutely so it's

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 1>what's your number three?

0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:17.960
<v Speaker 3>All right?

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 2>So my number three is in I guess some of

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:22.400
<v Speaker 2>these are kind of fitting together in some ways. But

0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I really want to see like a Women's Masters that

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 2>like has the same kind of like tradition and like

0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 2>sort of same course every year kind of thing. And

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I think, let's say a course like Cyper's Point or

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Pine Valley could really engender like a lot of goodwill

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 2>if they were like, you know what, we're going to

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 2>host what we think is like a Women's Masters. It's

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:48.000
<v Speaker 2>going to be here every year, and it's gonna be

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 2>like Appointment TV. And you're gonna like this iconic course.

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:55.279
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna like remember all the holes as we sort

0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 2>of build up history over time, like the one that

0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 2>they play, you know, the only course where they're major

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 2>is the same of years that Bob Hope went down.

0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:05.960
<v Speaker 1>In an a yeah, which jump in the pond, in.

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 2>The pond which God bless Pete d Ie with. That

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.440
<v Speaker 2>course is not that interesting at all. I just walked

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 2>that course for four rounds with Lydia Coo this year

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 2>and it ain't Cypres's point baby, it ain't Pie Valley.

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:21.320
<v Speaker 2>So like, how much fun would it be like if

0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:25.359
<v Speaker 2>one of those clubs was like, you know what, like

0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:27.840
<v Speaker 2>we really feel like it's part of our responsibility to

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:29.840
<v Speaker 2>grow the game. We don't want any part of the

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 2>PGA Tour. We don't want any part of like you know,

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:35.360
<v Speaker 2>being a part of a regular stop on the schedule.

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:38.640
<v Speaker 2>But how about a Women's Masters where we you know,

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 2>award like a Awkwa blue jacket or something purple jacket.

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.160
<v Speaker 2>That's cool, and we have it at Cyprus Point and

0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 2>then everyone gets to see, like what's it like to

0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:52.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, play sixteen seventeen at Cypress with like.

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.239
<v Speaker 3>A you know, a huge major on the line. I

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:56.359
<v Speaker 3>think that would be so fun.

0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, the courses to do it at.

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we Shinnacock, Yeah, Chinakog would be great.

0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 1>They have They've always been the most progressive club for women,

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 1>like since its inception, you know, right did.

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 3>Have women member, Like, yeah, female members, like way back

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:13.480
<v Speaker 3>in the twenties, right.

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:17.560
<v Speaker 1>No, they had founding women members. Man, that's that's good.

0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:20.479
<v Speaker 1>I think they held the first US Women's Open too.

0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Nice that that might be it. You know, just do

0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 1>their own tournament and uh, you know, let let their

0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 1>own let their own superintendent set up the course. John Jennings,

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:35.279
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're as someone with two daughters who both

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:42.239
<v Speaker 2>are like pretty into golf, I'm all in on them

0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:44.839
<v Speaker 2>someday getting to play the the.

0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:47.799
<v Speaker 3>Shinnacock Masters in twenty forty.

0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:49.879
<v Speaker 1>It had to come up with a name. I don't

0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:52.799
<v Speaker 1>know what it would be. We'll think on that. I

0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:56.400
<v Speaker 1>bet some of our listeners will come up with good ones.

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 1>My my, Number three is I would I would immediately

0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:07.120
<v Speaker 1>change the Olympic format. Okay, our role as golf as

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:10.920
<v Speaker 1>are would would oversee that we would we would supersede

0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the IOC in this room.

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 3>I love that.

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:18.480
<v Speaker 1>But so I did like a little bit of research.

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:21.399
<v Speaker 1>This was really quick. It wasn't like I just did

0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:24.760
<v Speaker 1>a scan and I found that there are at least

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:29.200
<v Speaker 1>thirty countries and for men's golf with three players in

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 1>the top one thousand of the world rankings.

0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Nice.

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So like why not have a team and individual

0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>format where you're you got three players per team and

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 1>you count the top two scores each day and it's

0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:46.840
<v Speaker 1>a team and individual competition, because, like I honestly think,

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 1>then you could get like really cool team upset stories.

0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:56.279
<v Speaker 3>Yes, like Ireland beating the US or something some year.

0:50:56.520 --> 0:51:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, like Sweden could win like Henry Stenson, Alex Norrin,

0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:02.839
<v Speaker 1>like even you could go to Italy could win.

0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:05.719
<v Speaker 2>That's what makes the Olympics so fun, is it? Like

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:09.400
<v Speaker 2>there's those kind of team moments like and these people

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 2>who are you know?

0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:11.520
<v Speaker 3>To me?

0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I covered the Olympics in Beijing and the most memorable

0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 2>moment of that was the four by one hundred relay

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:23.120
<v Speaker 2>where Jason Lezak like ran down the remember that the

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:25.640
<v Speaker 2>French guy and they all went bonkers, and like Michael

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:27.399
<v Speaker 2>Phelps was a part of that, but it was because

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:29.279
<v Speaker 2>he was sort of a part of a team, and

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:32.160
<v Speaker 2>like how much fun would that? That's where you know,

0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:34.880
<v Speaker 2>you'd get guys playing together and you get like the

0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 2>equivalent of essentially like the Baker's Bay Buddies trip, but

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:41.320
<v Speaker 2>against you know, the sort of crafty year. It's like

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:43.359
<v Speaker 2>a mini Ryder Cup almost in that sense.

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Well that's why Ryder Cup. The Ryder Cup is so

0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:49.400
<v Speaker 1>popular because it's actually a team event where like the

0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:53.040
<v Speaker 1>country unites, like I thought about we did a male

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:56.239
<v Speaker 1>I did a mailbag pod with Kyle Nathan and one

0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:58.239
<v Speaker 1>of the questions was like why don't we have a

0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 1>team golf sport and where like where cities have players

0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:05.160
<v Speaker 1>just like every other sport and it could be pretty cool,

0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:07.400
<v Speaker 1>but like there's a lot of reasons that doesn't happen.

0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:11.920
<v Speaker 1>But like the Olympics, should one have a team component

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.239
<v Speaker 1>to it, And the fact that they don't is like

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>it's just actually like alarming.

0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:20.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's this is the best idea so far, I think,

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:24.399
<v Speaker 2>And it's the easiest one to implement, because come on, like, really,

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:28.000
<v Speaker 2>would you bring four guys and that's your team? And

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 2>every everyone brings four guys and maybe like if you're

0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:33.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, Malaysia or Thailand or whatever, and you and

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:36.320
<v Speaker 2>you're really struggling to put together that fourth guy, that's okay.

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Maybe the fourth.

0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Guy is like an amateur a plus one, a handicap,

0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:42.960
<v Speaker 2>or an amateur who just happens to do something super

0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:45.640
<v Speaker 2>heroic that happens in every single Olympics.

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:49.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, like here's here's a team. If it's three guys.

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:55.839
<v Speaker 1>India has has u uh what's a shub Sharma? They

0:52:55.840 --> 0:53:02.839
<v Speaker 1>got Lahiri and they have the battleship, right, I mean right,

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:03.840
<v Speaker 1>they got a SSP.

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I love it.

0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean that is a good team. That team could

0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 1>legitimately win.

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a kind of awesome upset. Would that be

0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 2>if they took out like Great Britain in the final.

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Or the US like Belgium has Peters, Cole Starts and

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 1>uh and d Tree. Yeah that's a good team, you know,

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 1>And that's like a team you could say, over four

0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 1>rounds might beat you know, UH speak DJ and JT.

0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I think too that part of what you know makes

0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:36.839
<v Speaker 2>the Presidence Cup so boring is that it's super hard

0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 2>to get you know, the international team with all those

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.920
<v Speaker 2>different cultures like to sort of rally together and feel

0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:44.759
<v Speaker 2>like a team. But of course, like the guys from

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:47.360
<v Speaker 2>India or the guys from Thailand or the guys from Australia,

0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:49.879
<v Speaker 2>like they're going to feel a total bond like us

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:52.359
<v Speaker 2>against ever. That's that's where you'd get that Ryder Cup

0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:55.400
<v Speaker 2>feel for guys who don't normally get to be in

0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:57.600
<v Speaker 2>the Ryder Cup. And so the benefit would be huge

0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:00.279
<v Speaker 2>to the international squads that don't have a right Cup

0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 2>that are used to just like pretending to have you know,

0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:06.879
<v Speaker 2>bonds with Jason Day during the I mean like Jason

0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Day and Adam Scott and you know.

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:12.319
<v Speaker 3>What from you know some.

0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like why that would be such a fun team,

0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Like those guys would totally like be tearing it up

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:21.520
<v Speaker 2>and enjoying it, and that that team could absolutely beat

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 2>any team like could VUK the US.

0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:26.719
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying, Like England would have an awesome team,

0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Ireland would have an awesome team. Scotland would have like

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:32.520
<v Speaker 1>if you do just three players, every team has like

0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:36.319
<v Speaker 1>an actually shot, actual shot to win, you know, for

0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the most part, or do really well, like all of

0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:42.839
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, like you know, like maybe maybe India can't win,

0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:46.160
<v Speaker 1>but maybe they could get a bronze medal. Yes, like

0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:49.520
<v Speaker 1>China would have a team, Yes they would Marty Doe

0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:54.439
<v Speaker 1>what's his name, how Tong Lee and the other guy

0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 1>that's on the tour Zang I think his name is.

0:54:58.040 --> 0:54:59.720
<v Speaker 1>But like they got three guys right there.

0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:01.919
<v Speaker 3>This idea might be too good.

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:05.600
<v Speaker 1>We might have to just change it to abolish the

0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:07.879
<v Speaker 1>President's cup and make this the President's cup.

0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 2>There would be a way better President's cup. It's sort

0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:12.640
<v Speaker 2>of like what the lpig has with that.

0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 3>The crown thing whatever. They have four person teams, and

0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:16.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, you know.

0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:19.200
<v Speaker 1>What the President's cup is like, it's like that that

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:22.640
<v Speaker 1>donut comparison I made where they say, hey, you know what,

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:25.280
<v Speaker 1>we're going to open a donut shop that is exactly

0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the same as the Ryder Cup, except we have a

0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:30.400
<v Speaker 1>different street address.

0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:34.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's also like it's the equivalent of like saying,

0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:37.200
<v Speaker 2>let's say the Ryder Cup is like, I don't know,

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:40.640
<v Speaker 2>like really good, like New Orleans food. It's like putting

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:42.480
<v Speaker 2>really good New Orleans food in like or trying to

0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:46.960
<v Speaker 2>put in like Minneapolis, instead of like trying to capture

0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:49.359
<v Speaker 2>your own sort of thing. It's like, oh, let's just

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, let's take all the things that we think

0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:55.359
<v Speaker 2>are good about this and put some of them in

0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:57.720
<v Speaker 2>like really boring like environment.

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's it. Yeah, So this this idea should

0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:07.520
<v Speaker 1>just happen. Whoever, you know, hopefully somebody's list.

0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:11.279
<v Speaker 3>Is just going to implement this. Antonio sam Rock or whatever.

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:15.759
<v Speaker 2>Those Olympic guys you know, rise him from Who's who's

0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:16.920
<v Speaker 2>in charge of Olympics the States.

0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:19.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know, No, I don't know.

0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:23.840
<v Speaker 2>It's a collection of olig arcs who pulling the strings

0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:24.440
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes.

0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:27.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure golf would become like one of the coolest

0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Olympic sports.

0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:30.360
<v Speaker 2>And how much like a guy like Rory who's like

0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm out on the Olympics, would love to play with

0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:35.720
<v Speaker 2>like you know, Shane Lowry and Prodrick Carrington.

0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:36.799
<v Speaker 3>I guess is true.

0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Irish is out of Northern Ireland, so there'd be a

0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:41.640
<v Speaker 2>debate whether whether they were several countries, but like, the

0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Irish guys would be such a fun team. I might

0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:47.360
<v Speaker 2>root for the Irish over the Americans. Being Irish myself.

0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I know you, I would like I would root for

0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:52.880
<v Speaker 1>like some obscure team, because that's what I do. You know,

0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 1>I would, I would, I would get behind I Actually

0:56:55.640 --> 0:56:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I would love South Africa. I would love the team

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:02.839
<v Speaker 1>of Louis Hotch, Charles and I don't know who either

0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:05.120
<v Speaker 1>their third would be, but I would love that team.

0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the three guys that really don't care about golf.

0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, your teeth might sneak onto that team, you know,

0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.960
<v Speaker 2>other couple of sixty eighths and qualifying and make the

0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:16.800
<v Speaker 2>South African team.

0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean the combo of the Mattress, King hot Charle

0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:24.880
<v Speaker 1>and the Goose. That's next level stuff.

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:27.040
<v Speaker 3>This is your nirvana. I love it.

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and then you could have captain nels.

0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes, oh my god, captains. We just unlocked a whole

0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 3>different thing of captains.

0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Co captains with Gary Player.

0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what someone needs to pay us millions

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:43.440
<v Speaker 2>of dollars with this idea, because I think we just

0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:44.600
<v Speaker 2>fixed the entire Olympics.

0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:50.000
<v Speaker 1>What would happen if if Ernie and Gary wrote down

0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:51.520
<v Speaker 1>with the team on Ernie's plane?

0:57:52.080 --> 0:58:00.720
<v Speaker 4>Oh like, oh, definitely a push up contest that resulted

0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 4>in a fist fight that resulted in hugs.

0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Louis would just be like sleeping in the

0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:08.720
<v Speaker 1>back and on his on his mattress that he was

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:13.920
<v Speaker 1>bringing to whatever country the Olympics is. That's why you never.

0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:16.640
<v Speaker 3>Won more tenements. You could have won ten majors.

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Like me, oh Man, then you could have like the

0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:23.320
<v Speaker 1>manager b Jacko van Zil. I don't know if you

0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:27.120
<v Speaker 1>remember last Olympics, he gave up playing to focus on

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the Olympics. He like did not play in any tournaments

0:58:30.800 --> 0:58:36.080
<v Speaker 1>all summer to focus. Yeah. But uh so my next thing,

0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:39.760
<v Speaker 1>my fourth thing would be, uh so I do I'd

0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:43.240
<v Speaker 1>launch a program, whether it's with like the USGA, I

0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:45.920
<v Speaker 1>guess we would be the governing body here where we

0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 1>would take all these USGA funds and we would restore

0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:55.800
<v Speaker 1>and privately manage municipal golf courses in metro areas that

0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:58.959
<v Speaker 1>are like good, you know, like so like it would

0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:01.560
<v Speaker 1>be like you know, you would you would go after

0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:04.440
<v Speaker 1>like the historical ones, like you know, there's like Rackham

0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 1>in Detroit that's pretty neat. There's like in la you

0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:10.000
<v Speaker 1>have Rancho Park in Griffith Park, and you make them

0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:14.280
<v Speaker 1>really good, really affordable for senior for city residents. But then,

0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:17.720
<v Speaker 1>like I always I admire the best Page Tory model

0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:19.959
<v Speaker 1>where you gotage out of towners, but it's a really

0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 1>good golf course which people want to go play, but

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:25.680
<v Speaker 1>actually do it right, you know, and manage it right,

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<v Speaker 1>have a really good superintendent, and just get it out

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<v Speaker 1>of like municipal government's hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I mean on this too, And this is a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of goes right into my fourth My idea was

0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:43.560
<v Speaker 2>essentially that it's similar but a little bit different. Every

0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:47.400
<v Speaker 2>golf course in America needs to be open at least

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<v Speaker 2>one day a month to the public, and you do

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<v Speaker 2>like a public lottery system, but it's more like the

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<v Speaker 2>UK model in the sense of or like if you

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<v Speaker 2>refuse to do that, then you have to pay the

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<v Speaker 2>true tax burden of the land that you're on. So essentially,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're like club, you can't sacrifice one day a

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<v Speaker 2>month to let anybody sort of play through via a

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<v Speaker 2>lottery system, then you're going to pay the true property

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<v Speaker 2>tax value of that place. You're not going to get

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of like you know, public use exemption when

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<v Speaker 2>you're not actually open to the public and the value

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<v Speaker 2>of elec Hundry Cub's Land, which would be so enormous

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<v Speaker 2>that it would be absurd for them to not say, like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we'll let the riff raff in for one

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<v Speaker 2>day a month like that way. You know, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the UK model, Like you can play almost

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<v Speaker 2>any course in the UK unless it's like Swinley Forest

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<v Speaker 2>or something, or maybe Mirfield if if you like book

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<v Speaker 2>it out long enough ahead of time, or if you're

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<v Speaker 2>part of a sort of two or whatever, and that

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<v Speaker 2>would sort of at least say to golf, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>there are no truly like snotty private places unless they're

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<v Speaker 2>so rich that they can just sort of say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna go ahead and pay the greater tax Burgen

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<v Speaker 2>and that money then goes to you know, like pay

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<v Speaker 2>for what you're talking about, like you know metro area

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<v Speaker 2>courses that, to pay for that super, to pay for

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<v Speaker 2>the maintenance of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that idea. I think that there should

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<v Speaker 1>be more lotteries like that and then take that take

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<v Speaker 1>the money, charge a green fee for that public day

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<v Speaker 1>and take all that money and it goes to like

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<v Speaker 1>junior golf programs in that city or in the area who.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that really hurt in the sense of like the

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<v Speaker 2>membership is was that mad and that exclusive that one

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<v Speaker 2>day a week, Like you could limit it to say

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be a fifteen handicap or something.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and you can't have to you can't win

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<v Speaker 1>it more than once, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can't grind for six hours over around or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't be a You're still subject to the same

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<v Speaker 2>like if you're if you're an ass, you get your

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<v Speaker 2>you know, your throwing clubs, you're doing, you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>of the stupid stuff you see on public courses, like

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to get the boot and you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>dress decent. You got to sort of be a part

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<v Speaker 2>of the club. But you can still be a part

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<v Speaker 2>of the club. Anyone, any kidd or whatever who can

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<v Speaker 2>get a USG handicap under fifteen can play this course.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean even make it twenty you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>there are twenty five like handicap Like I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that matters as much. I think that Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>there's just so much good and it just like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what it does is Andrew Green talked about this architect

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<v Speaker 1>on My pod with him. He talked about golf IQ

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<v Speaker 1>and having golfers the general public get to experience some

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<v Speaker 1>of these golf courses is going to raise their golf IQ. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is good for the overall game.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally agree.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your last one?

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<v Speaker 2>My last one's pretty damn dumb. But I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think that PG guys should be able to wear shorts.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand, like what the at this point in

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<v Speaker 2>the game, Like what the hang up is over pants?

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like it would make the game a

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<v Speaker 2>little more relatable to people. You know, like what kid

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<v Speaker 2>who grows up in West Baltimore is going to be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to wear like pants on the golf course,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I you know that that seems weird to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if I think that they should give players the options,

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<v Speaker 2>and if Patrick Reid still wants to wear like big,

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<v Speaker 2>thick old pants, great, but I think it's time to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of loosen that sort of stuffiness and and let

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<v Speaker 2>that dress code sort of slide.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>If you if the pros can't play different equipment, then

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<v Speaker 1>why why do they have to dress differently?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, I mean as shorts, I mean they're nice,

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<v Speaker 1>like every.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, everybody wants to play in shorts unless they're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of less cold when they're asked to play in pants.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's funny, how like when you see pros and

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<v Speaker 1>shorts that you're so accustomed to seeing in pants, how

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<v Speaker 1>weird they It's like, whoa, well, what's going on? You're

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<v Speaker 1>wearing short?

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<v Speaker 2>You know you always see it like whatever, Like Tiger

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<v Speaker 2>Rory posts like an Instagram video them practicing like they're

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<v Speaker 2>never wearing pants, They're always wearing shorts, and so like

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that somehow you're sort of forced to wear

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<v Speaker 2>like a uniform.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine if every softball league had to.

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<v Speaker 2>Wear you know, instead of like sweats or whatever, you

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<v Speaker 2>had to wear like an official major league uniform.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be silly.

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<v Speaker 1>You get like suited up for for a for a

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday night co ed softball league.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, like looking like Tomas sort of like absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's uh My last one would be uh I'd

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<v Speaker 1>make I'd force match play on America. Yeah, I would

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<v Speaker 1>just just shove it down their throat. It would this

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<v Speaker 1>would no more stroke play as like no, no, just

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<v Speaker 1>as like the the first you know, knee jerk reaction

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<v Speaker 1>is not stroke play. It is match play, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like almost give people scorecards that are like match play

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<v Speaker 1>scorecards rather than stroke play scorecards. You know, like it's faster,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more fun. Like I think that golf is way

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<v Speaker 1>better when you're is concerned with score and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>shoot better scores. Like the other thing is like like

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<v Speaker 1>in match play, like if your if your opponent hits

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<v Speaker 1>it close on a on like a par five, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're standing over a shot, whether you're thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>laying up or not laying up, you're going for yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the thrill of golf. Yes, it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>protecting a score.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I had never played the single mass play match in

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<v Speaker 2>my life until I was I think, like twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>or twenty eight, and now it's all I want to play,

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<v Speaker 2>like I literally we used to go on the trip,

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<v Speaker 2>this trip every year with seven other guys, and when

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<v Speaker 2>we first started doing it, like it's a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>ryder cup stuff thing like this stroke the overall like

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<v Speaker 2>stroke title was like a big deal and it was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of what you were sort of trying to win

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<v Speaker 2>to be like I'm the best golfer on our trip,

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<v Speaker 2>and now no one cares less, could care less, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's all about match play.

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<v Speaker 3>Just because match plays so much more fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we just went to Bandon this year and I posted,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a bunch of scores in the high eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>and I couldn't have like been less concerned because I

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<v Speaker 2>was just having so much fun and it was better

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<v Speaker 2>than the guys, most of the guys I was playing with,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was windy and it was firm and it

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<v Speaker 2>was hard, and that it was such fun golf. And

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't like mad at the end of the day

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<v Speaker 2>because it didn't shoot in the high seventies, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like a good round for me. I was just like

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<v Speaker 2>thrilled to be playing golf and winning matches, even with bogies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I played a I played a match last night,

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<v Speaker 1>a nine hole match against a buddy, and like this

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<v Speaker 1>is the other benefit of match play is like I

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<v Speaker 1>played really lousy for and I got like absolutely smoked.

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<v Speaker 1>I was done with our match on the fifth goal,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what, I said, we got a new

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<v Speaker 1>match the rest of the nine like it was over,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, I ended up lifting out of plat.

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<v Speaker 1>I lost again by one on the knife, but but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, it was another new match and in

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<v Speaker 1>like my misery ended. Yeah, it was like floor down

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<v Speaker 1>and I almost purposely lost the last sole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well imagine, like you know, so imagine you're that same.

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<v Speaker 2>You play this the equivalent of playing poorly, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a stroke play thing, and you make a nine on

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<v Speaker 2>the first hole, like then you have eight holes of

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<v Speaker 2>misery of like you just pissed because you're like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>I just but in the end, like you make a

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<v Speaker 2>nine in match play, you're like, well I'm one down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's it's so much more fun. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>much better than stroke play. I don't know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that would have to go into the earlier thing with

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<v Speaker 1>more formats, more match play, because that's that's the example.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, all right, golf, all of golf problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah there's this. It's over. I'm I'm I mean, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is the Olympic one is Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>Hickory one's good too. I don't know, they're all they're

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<v Speaker 1>all good. Hopefully somebody importance listening.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm just thrilled that I finally made it onto

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<v Speaker 3>the Friday pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you want to what do you got going

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<v Speaker 1>for PGA? You're going down to Saint Louis.

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<v Speaker 3>Going down to Saint Louis. No idea who to pick

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<v Speaker 3>other than probably DJ because why not that It's like

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<v Speaker 3>I'll probably have forty chances that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm right, Rory could win.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah good, what if Rory has like eleven PGAs that

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<v Speaker 3>would be great.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the PGA should go back to match play.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, real killer idea, a totally identity, a different identity.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, an actual identity.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be They should go like Western Am style

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<v Speaker 1>where or maybe not full but go us Am style,

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<v Speaker 1>like do thirty six holes of qualifying, top thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>going to match play.

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<v Speaker 3>Boom, wow, that would be great.

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<v Speaker 1>People will think of the drama.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be so much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, people will rebut with like, well, Sunday will

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<v Speaker 1>be a real dull Sunday with just two guys on

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<v Speaker 1>the golf course. But you know most PGA Sundays are

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<v Speaker 1>a dull.

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<v Speaker 3>This is true.

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<v Speaker 2>And also like two guys on the golf course, it

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<v Speaker 2>would be over in five hours. You wouldn't have to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten hours of golf to five hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah four, well hopefully five.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it would be done in five.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what if it was like speed versus day

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<v Speaker 2>like and like it wasn't Whistling that was I was

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<v Speaker 2>I walked that. I think that was a five and

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<v Speaker 2>a half hour round and they basically just ran away

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<v Speaker 2>with it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that the average round at at at Whistling

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<v Speaker 1>Straits is like six hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Was just insane.

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<v Speaker 2>I think was it you that said that the like

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<v Speaker 2>midway through the summer that caddies there will say that

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<v Speaker 2>they might not see a guy break ninety all year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh ye, I mean it's uh, that's a that's

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<v Speaker 1>a major problems. But uh uh, we'll got we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>get you do some overrated underrated. I gotta come up

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<v Speaker 1>with some off the top of my head here, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say overrated underrated. Let's do Firestone.

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<v Speaker 3>Firestone, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that it's been overrated for most of

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<v Speaker 2>its existence. The only thing that makes it interesting is

1:10:27.439 --> 1:10:32.320
<v Speaker 2>the Tigers won there so many times. But I feel like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just probably gonna stick with that. Like I would

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<v Speaker 2>say overrated. I mean I could qualify it by saying

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<v Speaker 2>that like most people think it's most people of our ilk.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's totally boring. But you know, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>the majority. We're sort of the silent cynics out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Martin asked me a good one. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>agree with your firestone, But Sean and Martin asked me

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. Overrated, underrated putting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw this exchange and and you made a good

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<v Speaker 2>point in that, like that's what like, ball striking is

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<v Speaker 2>what gets you into contention, and putting is what's gonna win.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say it's probably overrated because of the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of like you know, drive for show, Puffer Doe. Like

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<v Speaker 2>most people, it's like Rory's clearly, you know, a generational player,

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<v Speaker 2>a Hall of Fame player, and he's at best like

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<v Speaker 2>an average putter. So the fact that if you're just

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<v Speaker 2>an average putter and a great ball striker, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>give yourself enough chances that you're gonna run in three

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<v Speaker 2>or four twelve footers and you're gonna win.

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<v Speaker 1>So overrated putting's overrated. Yeah, all right, I disagree.

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<v Speaker 3>Disagree. Underrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this comes from somebody that that's putter has cost

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<v Speaker 1>him numerous good rounds in his life. Naturally, I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>person that thinks it's underrated. All right, you know this

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<v Speaker 1>is a this is a type of question that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've asked a few times that has gotten always responsive.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything about that. What about Pink Floyd, Pin.

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<v Speaker 2>I have always felt that Pink Floyd was a little overrated.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I never quite understood the people who

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<v Speaker 2>were like super into Pink Floyd. Now, I I would admit, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up in Montana where a lot of really

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<v Speaker 2>bad country music just sort of like permeated culture. So

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<v Speaker 2>it took a long time for me to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>escape the morass of bad like uh country music.

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<v Speaker 3>But the only other so there was basically like two.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio stations that worked growing up in Montana, and one

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<v Speaker 2>was a classic rock station that played Pink Floyd all

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<v Speaker 2>the time and like Rod Stewart, and the other was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a bad country station. And so it was

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<v Speaker 2>really like it to lose lose choice for me, but

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<v Speaker 2>I always ended up choosing country.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I should give Pink Floyd another chance. Maybe I

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<v Speaker 3>should queue.

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<v Speaker 2>Ups and put on Dark Side of the Moon, sink

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<v Speaker 2>them up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised Pink Floyd wasn't touring in Montana.

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<v Speaker 2>I well, they should have Montana is lovely like all

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<v Speaker 2>the all those big like musicians stars, they all like

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<v Speaker 2>come to Montana and live and just Timberlake like thinks

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<v Speaker 2>of himself as like a pseudo Montana. And even though

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<v Speaker 2>they were asking him myself in some interview, oh, what's

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<v Speaker 2>your favorite bourbon of drinking, He's like, Oh, I really

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<v Speaker 2>love you know, the Montana bourbons, like like Maker's Mark

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, like this as a kid who grew

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<v Speaker 2>up in Tennessee doesn't understand that, like they actually make,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bourbons in Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 3>Blands. That's what it was. He said, Blands, which is

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<v Speaker 3>total like Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>U a real genuine, like well appreciated Kentucky bourbon.

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<v Speaker 3>He somehow was under the impression that was a Montana bourbon.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's the only place he's had it. It's pretty,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's hard. It's hard to find Blantons nowadays.

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<v Speaker 3>That is true. That is true. A little horse on top.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you could. When you see one, you gotta buy it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you gotta snatch it right up. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>I should be just Timberlake like bourbon's are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it might be an open position on the website check.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was going to like save golf.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like his him buying a like a golf course

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<v Speaker 2>and like participating in the slb AMAS, going to like

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<v Speaker 2>get young people involved. It seemed like a very like

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<v Speaker 2>short sighted plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Steph Curry is doing that for the web dot com too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah about Steph Curry overrated, underrated?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, you know what I think it's it's overrated, overrated. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just don't think, like I don't know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I just whatever, He's going to shoot one nine. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like and then the web dot Com tour social media

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<v Speaker 1>is going to push out, like remember when tweets all

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<v Speaker 1>year and and like for two days, golf is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be relevant while he's doing it on like the

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<v Speaker 1>national stage. But I mean, I think it would be

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<v Speaker 1>way more effective if, like you know, you've got Steph

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<v Speaker 1>Curry and some title sponsor to do like like a

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<v Speaker 1>golf camp for you know, inner city kids. Like that

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<v Speaker 1>would have an impact. Him playing at a web dot

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<v Speaker 1>com event. Yeah yeah, yeah, overrated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, people are gonna go out and like you

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<v Speaker 2>do you see crowds come out and watch that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But like the long term impact of it is like

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<v Speaker 3>totally non existent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like this this idea of chasing impressions, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, this generated so much buzz, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>just empty buzz.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh totally, And that would segue me into Mike definite overrated,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like trying to create like memes out of

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<v Speaker 2>like golf content of like on social Like.

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<v Speaker 3>I I was, I saw this.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing the other day wherein the PGA Tour social team

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<v Speaker 2>like tried to make some sort of like Stranger Things

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<v Speaker 2>meme out of like Sergio hitting out of a bunker,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they like, I don't know if you watch.

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<v Speaker 3>Stranger Things on Netflix, Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They they did, like the weird thing when like the

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<v Speaker 2>monster sort of you know, turns the lights out and

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<v Speaker 2>makes it all weird. And I was like, who who

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<v Speaker 2>like thought this was a clever idea? This is horrible,

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is really truly Like it's like the picture

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<v Speaker 2>of Steve Buscemi like with a skateboard over his shoulder, being.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, how are you doing? Fellow kids? Like even if

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<v Speaker 3>someone like in their twenties made that content, that was

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<v Speaker 3>truly awful, and so that there's so much of that

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<v Speaker 3>in the golf social media world.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's really hard to be funny, yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially it's really hard to be funny for like

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<v Speaker 1>a long period of time, yes, which is like why

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<v Speaker 1>you have to really respect like club pro guye no

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<v Speaker 1>laying up like for their humor capability.

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<v Speaker 2>They also know how to pick their spots, like they're

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<v Speaker 2>not like like shotgun blasting you with forty tweets a

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<v Speaker 2>day of like, you know, here's some cheeky animal memes

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<v Speaker 2>and one hundred percent of it is just empty, empty

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<v Speaker 2>calories in terms of like, oh, we got a million

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<v Speaker 2>views of you know stuff, No, like no one is

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<v Speaker 2>interested in that low like anyone who like saw you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Billy Horsfell's or no, who was it that smacked the

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<v Speaker 2>gator and like put back.

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<v Speaker 3>Into the Cody Gribble, Cody.

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<v Speaker 2>Gribble, So like the gator, like snacking the gater. That

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<v Speaker 2>must have been like the greatest day in like PGA

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<v Speaker 2>to our social history or like the you know and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone so everyone is chasing like some sort of animal.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the thing about that is it organically happened, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and like that is why it was so great. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like you know that.

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<v Speaker 2>They're in a meeting somewhere someone's like we should release

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<v Speaker 2>the gator out of the course, try to recreate the mold.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think this year they had like Cody

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<v Speaker 1>Gribble like try and recreate it. It's like, no, this

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work. Where you're beating, you're killing it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like my least favorite one, though, is that you

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<v Speaker 2>see this every single week of like so it such

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<v Speaker 2>and such player gets it.

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<v Speaker 3>We made this kid's day.

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<v Speaker 2>Or it's like some little kid who signing autograph or

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<v Speaker 2>handing him a ball, and it's like this really kind

1:18:25.880 --> 1:18:29.559
<v Speaker 2>of maudlin, like yeah, this guy he gets it.

1:18:29.720 --> 1:18:30.559
<v Speaker 3>He knows what's up.

1:18:30.720 --> 1:18:32.840
<v Speaker 2>And like sometimes I see players who are doing it

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<v Speaker 2>and having dealt with them media wise, I know that

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<v Speaker 2>they're kind of dicks and some the idea that like

1:18:39.040 --> 1:18:41.519
<v Speaker 2>the tour is like yeah, this guy gets it. I'm like, no,

1:18:41.720 --> 1:18:44.200
<v Speaker 2>this guy is kind of really like a pain in

1:18:44.240 --> 1:18:45.080
<v Speaker 2>the butt to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh yeah, I I this could be a conversation

1:18:51.600 --> 1:18:55.800
<v Speaker 1>for a for another time. Yeah, you could have a

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<v Speaker 1>whole podcast on fixing social media accounts across goff.

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<v Speaker 3>So virtual reality that.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people might say that me and you are terrible

1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:10.240
<v Speaker 1>at social media too.

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<v Speaker 3>I had friends say that to me at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think you know, wait till they read

1:19:18.120 --> 1:19:20.080
<v Speaker 2>the they listened to this ninety minute podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>If they make it to the end of this, then

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<v Speaker 1>good on you.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite thing is, like, if you want to hide

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<v Speaker 2>a secret from the world, the best place to say

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<v Speaker 2>it is at the end of a podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>People might listen to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's It's kind of funny though, Like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times I'll say something at the end and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get like a ton of emails from people like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what what can you tell me more about what you said?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, but uh, hey, pleasure, we'll get We'll do

1:19:49.360 --> 1:19:51.479
<v Speaker 1>it again. You know now that you've been you've been

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<v Speaker 1>on you know it's you're you're a busy guy though,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm I'm always gonna make time for the Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, uh follow you on on Twitter. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what your handle is, Van Valkenberg van Valconberg. You

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<v Speaker 1>got a nice little blue check mark.

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<v Speaker 2>I ready to throw some some memes out there about

1:20:10.640 --> 1:20:13.120
<v Speaker 2>kids who get it, players who get it. You'll see

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<v Speaker 2>me all PGA tweeting, tweeting out the content.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you should, you should get just looks of disgust

1:20:20.040 --> 1:20:22.800
<v Speaker 1>from players, pictures of them after they hit a bad shot.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy gets it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the new hashtag. Would be great golf.

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<v Speaker 3>Golf is hard, players looking pissed. This guy gets it.

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<v Speaker 1>Golf is hard. If Monday was a golf if if

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<v Speaker 1>it was a golf shot. All right, well, all right, man,

1:20:48.720 --> 1:20:53.440
<v Speaker 1>talk too soon. You've been listening to the Fried Egg Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We do the digging for you.