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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and this week I'm traveling

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Speaker 2: and instead of doing the thing, I'm doing a different

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Speaker 2: thing where I play a rerun, and in this case,

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Speaker 2: I'm playing a rerun that I thought would tie in

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Speaker 2: really well with last week's episode. Last week we talked

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Speaker 2: about the first Paramedics, So this week we're gonna revisit

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Speaker 2: the Young Lords. We're going to talk about the group

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Speaker 2: of radicals who completely changed the way that healthcare works

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Speaker 2: in this country by taking direct action and doing all

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Speaker 2: kinds of cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff. You're

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Speaker 2: a podcast about Wait a second, Sophie's not here. We

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Speaker 2: can do anything we want. Hello and welcome to Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Hollywood. That's a real place and we

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Speaker 2: care about the people there. Sreen, do you think that's

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Speaker 2: a good podcast? I feel like will be the first

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be a big hit, smash hit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get some podcast money. Hell yeah, or okay,

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Speaker 2: actually maybe we should just we'll do that later. First,

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Speaker 2: we'll do a cool people did cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yay, I guess we have to get that out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, great, we'll jump in. Yeah, because I'm really

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Speaker 2: excited about today's guest and topic. My guest today is

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Speaker 2: a Linda Sagata and the principal songwriter. I guess is

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Speaker 2: the maybe a way to say it, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: entirely certain of one of the best bands out there.

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Speaker 2: Hooray for the riff raff Melinda, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I'm on a wild journey of life, but I'm really

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Speaker 3: happy to be here and I've missed you.

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Speaker 1: Yay. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I keep finding my guests are like my old friends

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Speaker 2: from back in the day in a nice way. And

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Speaker 2: Alinda and I know each other from New York many

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Speaker 2: many years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful, Linda.

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Speaker 2: I was going to describe your music, and then I realized,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to. Is there like a catchy

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Speaker 2: one sentence version that you use?

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Speaker 3: I guess like sometimes I say folk rock because I

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know, I will go out, go ahead, Sorry,

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Speaker 4: there's rock in it, but it's also folk. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Wun't you call it?

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Speaker 3: Also, one time somebody called it folk punk and I

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Speaker 2: I used to distinguish between folk punk and punk's playing

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Speaker 2: folk mmm, because folk punk is when you take the

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Speaker 2: punk vocals and put them over folk instrumentation exactly, and

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Speaker 2: then punk's playing folk is when punks play folk music. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and I like that one more. I gotta yeah, I

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Speaker 2: want some I want to stop playing shows because I

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Speaker 2: was playing with an accordion and I told this other

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Speaker 2: And he got really offended and he was like, which

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Speaker 2: That's not what we're talking about today. We are not

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Speaker 2: talking about folk punk today. Okay. Well, first, as people

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Speaker 2: we have Sharen at least partly, but otherwise we're flying solo.

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Speaker 2: I believe in you, Thank you. That's all claim that

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Speaker 2: I do too, so that everyone feels safe. Our audio

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Speaker 2: engineers Ian Hi Ian, and our theme music was written

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Speaker 2: for us by Unwoman. And our topic today Alanda. People

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Speaker 2: Today we're gonna talk about the people who got shit done.

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Speaker 2: This was the thing that I kept running over and

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Speaker 2: be talking about a street gang that turned into revolutionary

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Speaker 2: Young Lords. Alynda, have you heard of the Young Lords?

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Speaker 1: I have learned. I heard of the Young Lords.

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Speaker 2: That's cool. The reason Alinda is the guest for this

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Speaker 3: Really excited to learn about them. You know, like I've

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Speaker 3: had the emotional experience of learning some about the Young Lords,

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Speaker 2: Fuck yeah. Okay, So today we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: some of the amazing stuff done by the Puerto Rican

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Speaker 2: radicals in the continental the United States. And that means

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Speaker 2: we should at least briefly talk about Puerto Rico itself.

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Speaker 2: Puerto Rico is an American colony. The US doesn't like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the that's white people in the United States

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Speaker 2: So the US got this colony in eighteen ninety eight

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Speaker 2: So the US gave Puerto Rican's US citizenship because they

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Speaker 2: Curious whether, like in your family, whether like there was

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Speaker 3: But then there are certain people, like, you know, there's

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Speaker 2: But so the US, they want Puerto Rico still, and

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Speaker 2: it is part of the US exercising power across the globe.

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Speaker 2: And since Perto Rico is a colony, it means the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like half a million fucking kids didn't go to

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Speaker 2: So we'll come back to New York later. Our story

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Speaker 2: And we're back and we are talking about the beginning

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Speaker 2: of the Young Lords. They formed as a street gang

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Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty nine in Lincoln Park in Chicago. They

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Speaker 2: were formed by seven kids. Six of them were Puerto Rican,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like half that some of them are like eleven

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the kind of like main founder of the we'll

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: He was eleven years old in nineteen fifty nine when

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Speaker 3: Actually, okay, that reminds me though. Have you heard there

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Speaker 2: Oh no, this is cool.

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Speaker 1: No. Yeah, so there is I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But we're just not going to go, which is the

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Speaker 2: And it's the opposite of those half a million white

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Speaker 2: Eleven Yeah, hose chau Cha Yumenez. He was a founding member.

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Speaker 2: He's eleven years old. By the time he was fourteen,

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Speaker 2: Where they wound up in Lincoln Park was like diverse

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Speaker 3: Know, My family had so many stories about like nuns,

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Speaker 1: Well, cool name though, I know, right.

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Speaker 2: Name, Okay, but you're breaking my rule I have, like

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Speaker 2: if there's like Margaret's Law, it's that everyone who says

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Speaker 2: this actually would be a good band name, Like hey,

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Speaker 2: I want yeah, you broke the law, band jail you

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Speaker 2: have to go to Yeah, I know. And especially because

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, the only uh like Puerto Rican streaking I

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Speaker 2: Brothers, okay, and I don't know about but I think.

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Speaker 3: That was I think that was later on. Okay, they

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Speaker 2: Oh word, yeah, so different than the ghetto boys. Yes, great,

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so the history I feel like

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Speaker 2: there's this this criminal justice professor guy, his names John M.

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Speaker 1: Oh, wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, corruption and Chicago go the long history together. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And they did a bunch of racist shit time and

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Speaker 2: you know, totally and it's like, Okay, they came from

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Speaker 2: defending themselves against you, yeah for real, which isn't to

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Speaker 2: say whatever, We'll talk about someone what they got up to,

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Speaker 2: and you know it's complicated. Right. So Chasha starts a

438
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 2: gang when he's eleven because white gangs have been fucking

439
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: with him for a year already, since he's ten years old.

440
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 2: He's used to white gangs, like because the white kids

441
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: in the area outnumbered everyone else seventeen to one at

442
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: that point demographically. Yeah, and he guess his nickname because

443
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: racist kids keep saying chah cha cha every time they

444
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: see him. Oh wow, And he's like, all right, fuck it,

445
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 2: that's my name. I'm Cha Cha.

446
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: He just becomes a badass.

447
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: I know. And it like be like a scary name

448
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: to run into someone who's like fucking with you.

449
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: Chacha Definitely.

450
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: It's like you go and like someone's like maybe picking

451
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: a fight with you, and you're like, what's your name?

452
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 2: They're like Tiddley Winks and you're like, I gotta go.

453
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: I hear my mom, Colin, like you've seen some shit.

454
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. They met up at a junior high school, the

455
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: Young Lords. Their founder was this darker skin Puerto Rican kid,

456
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 2: Orlando da Villa, who was red as black and got

457
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: even more shit from people from which he learned to

458
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: defend himself. And I'm kind of curious your take on

459
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 2: this part because it's like, this is something I can

460
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: read about, but there's this, Yeah, there's this interesting writing

461
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: about race relations into Puerto Rican immigrants. At the time,

462
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: for most immigrants, the Puerto Rican ethnicity was far more

463
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: important than their race is viewed by other people in

464
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: the continental US. So like Chacha had green eyes and

465
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: light skin, Orlando was red as black. But for the

466
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: second generation American views like mainland American group views, crept

467
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: in more and more younger Puerto Ricans identified with black struggle,

468
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: and their parents were largely trying to distinguish themselves from

469
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: black struggle.

470
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: Interesting.

471
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I have like, especially in my family,

472
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 3: it's like I have so much white privilege, you know,

473
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 3: and I feel like, definitely I witnessed a lot of

474
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: racism get just like crammed into my family's minds.

475
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: I think, like what I've experienced is also.

476
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 3: Like a lot of pride about like not being considered immigrants, right,

477
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 3: even though they have this immigrant experience. It's like the

478
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: classic American thing where it's like, well, we are one

479
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: step closer to this pyramid, the top of the pyramid

480
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: than people who are dealing with immigrations staff.

481
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: We don't have to deal with that.

482
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, And racism and colorism definitely was something that I

483
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: saw all the time.

484
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: Okay, And yeah, that makes sense, Like one of the

485
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: things I have the hardest time because again I'm mostly

486
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: just reading about this stuff, and everyone who's writing has different,

487
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: you know, things that they're trying to say or not

488
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: say right, and like so like sometimes I read about

489
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: like all of the awful interfighting but horizontal conflict between

490
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: black New Yorkers and Puerto Rican New Yorkers, right, And

491
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: then other places I read, I'll read about all of

492
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 2: these like moments of solidarity, and people will be like, oh,

493
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: we all got along, and like, yeah, I have a

494
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: feeling the answer is both maybe, you know.

495
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: I think so.

496
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: I mean also, like I said, there was a generation

497
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: like who was radicalized and then after you know, not

498
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: to jump ahead, but then they experienced the fucking eighties

499
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: and it's like such disillusionment, and then my generation comes.

500
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: I feel like it's only now that I'm seeing kids

501
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: like get radicalized in the same way.

502
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like, so, I don't know.

503
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 3: I think I think there is more like solidarity now,

504
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 3: but I also feel like a white kid looking in right.

505
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: You know.

506
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 3: Also, an interesting thing in New York at least is

507
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: the fighting between Dominican and.

508
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican Oh okay people.

509
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: That was something I witnessed a lot because of like

510
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: immigration status and also racism.

511
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, it's I love. Love is not

512
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: the right word, But I'm so interested in all these

513
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: things that like complicate the mainstream conception of like the

514
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: racial hierarchy, right, and like, you know, the fact that

515
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican immigrants would be coming from different ethnic backgrounds

516
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: with or different racial backgrounds. I guess you would say

517
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 2: from Puerto Rico, whereas like to like the people who

518
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 2: live in the US, maybe it was like whatever, you're

519
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: all fucking Puerto Ricans. Fuck you, you know, as compared

520
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: to like white Puerto Ricans and black Puerto Ricans. And

521
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: I don't know enough about race relations within Puerto Rico.

522
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: I've only read about them and how they relate to

523
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: the mainland.

524
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I've definitely experienced, like, you know,

525
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: I get this like platform and because I feel like

526
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: I just make people feel more comfortable, They're like, oh,

527
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: I understand you more, Like I don't have to experience

528
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: that racism. So I think certain Puerto Ricans that are

529
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: super light skin it's not I think. I know, like

530
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 3: we get these you know, platforms and experience you know,

531
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 3: these opportunities and shit, and Jlo becomes like the idea

532
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: of what being Puerto Rican is instead of a super

533
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: complex identity.

534
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

535
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: I had no idea that Jayla was Puerto Rican. But

536
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: I also really okay, this is the like main running

537
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: in joke is that I don't know anything about pop culture.

538
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, Ricky Martin and Martin.

539
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.

540
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: Mean I grew up thinking that was what being Puerto

541
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: Rican was.

542
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: So then to find out about the Young.

543
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: Lords is like a mind altering moment where I'm like, wait,

544
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: what We're like revolutionary fucking fighters?

545
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: Is this crazy?

546
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

547
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: I thought we were just.

548
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: Like popa, you know, like I was just raised with

549
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: this idea of what it was.

550
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that, well, I guess we'll get to it. Yeah,

551
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: the death nel of everything in the eighties and all that.

552
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: This is the kind of sad thing about like cool

553
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: people in history, and they're like, well, if you tell

554
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: the story long enough, but there's amazing stuff along the way,

555
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: which is all any of us have is our lives anyway, right,

556
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: like all of them. So they're a gang now to

557
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: come back to Chicago nineteen fifties, and they immediately set

558
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: out and they're like eleven to fourteen, and I think

559
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: May someone were like sixteen or whatever, and they immediately

560
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: set out to do gang shit. They're really into stealing cars.

561
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: You gotta have a nice car, and selling stolen car

562
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: parts is good money. Cha Cha had white passing privilege,

563
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: so he was the kid who would do the initial stealing.

564
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: Also probably the fact that he's like a white passing

565
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: eleven year old is probably part of that. We got

566
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: away with us, you know, Oh my god. Yeah. And

567
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: then the Young Lords immediately got to fighting anyone who

568
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: fucked with them, and they immediately started getting arrested for

569
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: weapons possession, assault, petty theft, and drugs. Most of the

570
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: fighting they did this is like where they was. They

571
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: would forcefully integrate places that were informally whites only.

572
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

573
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, when older folks would get pushed around, like older

574
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican folks and would get pushed around or slapped

575
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: for being in the wrong place. There's like the Lake

576
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: Shore Drive beach. The Young Lords would just show up

577
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: and be like, no, that's cool, We're allowed to be here,

578
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: Like wow, that beach in particular, they fought with broken

579
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: bottles and knives for the right to swim there.

580
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: Holy shit.

581
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, really little badasses.

582
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

583
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: I like my friend who turned me on to I'd

584
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: heard some about the Young Lords but not like a

585
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: ton right, and my friends like, you really need to

586
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: do an episode on them. And it ties into there's

587
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: like some stuff that keeps coming up over over and

588
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: over again. We're going to talk about tuberculosis in this episode.

589
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 2: For some reason, tuberculosi is this running theme throughout all

590
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: these things, and it's going to come up, but not yet.

591
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, so and the white gangs would fight back, right,

592
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: you know, the I presume German, German and Irish gangs

593
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: would fight back and try and fight the young Lords

594
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: and be like, no, we want our whites only beach

595
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: or whatever. But eventually the white gangs relented. And I'm

596
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: under the impression this isn't less because the Young Lord's

597
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: always won and more because they always fought. And I

598
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: think that this is how oppressive power works. You don't

599
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: even need to always win, You just need to keep fighting,

600
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: and they'll back off first because they have more to lose, right,

601
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: they're more privileged.

602
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: Wow, what a great lesson to like keep in mind.

603
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, When Joshaw was fifteen, he found himself increasingly

604
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: in charge of their gang because he was willing to

605
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: do the paperwork for the gang.

606
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: What did like paperwork entail?

607
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: So he was the business manager and he would raise

608
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: money to get everyone in the gang black and purple

609
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: sweaters and yeah, and they would throw soul dance parties

610
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: and that's how they would raise the money, and so

611
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: he was this fundraiser. Yeah, and he was like he

612
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: wasn't afraid to throw down, but he was always also

613
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: trying to figure out non violent solutions to most problems.

614
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: He still thought a lot. He got arrested twenty times

615
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: over the course of his young life, like only a

616
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: couple of years. So I really like this, like this

617
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: is my favorite version of non violence, is the like,

618
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: our preference is non violence, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

619
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna swim at this beach non violently ideally, yeah, yeah,

620
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: I do it all right. So then he's sixteen, and

621
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: he might be fifteen or something. I get the year

622
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: something happened and not the age of the person. So

623
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: I do rough math and he gets sentenced too. I

624
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: don't remember. We get caught for this time. He gets

625
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: sentenced to go live in Puerto Rico for a year.

626
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: The judge is like, WHOA, yeah, I didn't know this

627
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: was a thing. It was an assault that would have

628
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: had him in prison for years. And I think that

629
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: the judge was just actually like, you dumb fucking kid,

630
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: go get out of here, you know, like wow, Yeah,

631
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: So he goes to Puerto Rico, and while he's there

632
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: he tries to get up to all his usual shit.

633
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: At one point he steals a horse to ride off

634
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: to go hot wire a priest's car in order to

635
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: go see a girl he likes.

636
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah exactly, I know.

637
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: But they catch him and they don't throw him in

638
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: jail when he's in Puerto Rico. Instead, they chew him

639
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: out in public like I think, in like the town square,

640
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 2: basically a priest and then an older woman just like

641
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: yell at him for being a fuck up in front

642
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: of everyone.

643
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

644
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: And this works. I mean he does like one eighty,

645
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: but it's way more effective than getting sent to jail totally,

646
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: and going to Puerto Rico is like a sea change.

647
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: His two main sea change moments about how he becomes

648
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: who he becomes, and going to Puerto Rico is one

649
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: of them. He did come back in a week later,

650
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: go to jail for stealing a toaster. Okay, so he's

651
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 2: not one eighty. New habits they take a little while

652
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 2: to catch on, much like what also takes a while

653
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: to catch on our products and services, And that's why

654
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: you have to hear about them over and over again

655
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: before they stick in your mind. And you know that

656
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: we've had really bad sponsors lately. The main bad one

657
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Speaker 2: is Reagan Gold, So go buy gold. That'll teach him.

658
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Speaker 2: And we're back. Oh we should have thought of. Now

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Speaker 2: that we're back from a break, I want to go

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Speaker 2: back to being sponsored by really nice stuff. Historically some

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Speaker 2: of the things that we got sponsored by. For a

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Speaker 2: long time, we were sponsored by the Concept of Potatoes.

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Speaker 2: We've also been sponsored well not officially, but our unofficial

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Speaker 2: sponsors the concept of potatoes, okay, And we've also been

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Speaker 2: sponsored by like a nice comb. The Happy Sleeping Dogs

666
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 2: is a good sponsor for the show. So I'm wondering

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Speaker 2: if you have any sponsors you'd like us. When Sophie

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Speaker 2: is back, Sophie will get us sponsored by by whatever

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Speaker 2: you want.

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Speaker 3: You know, lately, I've been really into baby elephants in general,

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Speaker 3: especially baby elephants bathing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so if that's if that's a possibility.

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Speaker 2: We can do it. Sophie is really good at shit,

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Speaker 2: and this show is brought to you by baby elephants bathing.

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Speaker 2: Go wash videos of baby elephants and see them be cute,

676
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Speaker 2: and that is substantially better than buying a wrecking gold.

677
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Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty six in Chicago, you have the Division

678
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Speaker 2: Street riots. Chicago declared Puerto Rican Week, which included the

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Speaker 2: city's first Puerto Rican parade. Cops were there, yeah, and

680
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: the cops were super respect No, the cops were being cops.

681
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: So they shot someone. They shot someone in the leg

682
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: during the celebrations, and so a crowd showed up, and

683
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: then cops sicked a dog on someone and the crowd

684
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: went wild, and the rioting went on for three days,

685
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Speaker 2: destroying fifty white owned businesses that ran through a Puerto

686
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Speaker 2: Rican neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Holy shit.

688
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: And Shasha was sitting in jail during this, and he

689
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: was just like for something else, maybe the toaster, I'm

690
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: not sure. And so he's just cheering it on, right,

691
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: He's like, go, kids, go, this rules, you know.

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00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: Other young lords are involved in the organizing in the

694
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Speaker 2: wake of it for structural change. And a bunch of

695
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: new groups pop up in the wake of this. And

696
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: the most influential one, or the one that I keep

697
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: writing about in the books that I was reading about

698
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: this is the Latin American Defense Organization or LEDO latdo

699
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: oh wow. And they rule. They spread across the country.

700
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: They bring together working class Latin Americans. But the Young

701
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: Lords they're not ready to be a socialist organization quite yet.

702
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: In fact, they're starting to drift apart. Members grew up,

703
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: they get married, they joined the military, They co to

704
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: prison for a long time because they keep doing crime.

705
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty eight, Cha Cha is in prison again.

706
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Speaker 2: I think he's doing a sixty day stint for heroin possession.

707
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: This is another thing no one likes talking about in

708
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: all the history. Everyone who's listening has heard me go

709
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: on about this before. But like, they always cut so

710
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: much shit out of history books. They never talk about

711
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: how a bunch of our heroes were drug users, how

712
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: a bunch of our heroes were sex workers, a bunch

713
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: of our heroes were like had specific political ideologies. There's

714
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: all this stuff that gets cut out. And so I

715
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: don't know much about Chasha's drug use. I do know

716
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: a lot about how the Young Lords dealt with heroin

717
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 2: use in New York, and we'll talk about that later.

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00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: Oh really interested him?

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Speaker 2: Cool, It's really interesting. Yeah, like I'm I kept whatever.

720
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about this. Everyone knows this. So he's

721
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: only a sixty day stint for heroin possession and in prison.

722
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: This is his second Sea change moment. A bunch of

723
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: shit that happens solidifies his future politics. First, he's in

724
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: prison when MLK is assassinated. Second, a bunch of Spanish

725
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: speaking prisoners, including him, get thrown into solitary for basically

726
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: no reason, and a guard tries to call him white

727
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: in order to get black prisoners to beat him up

728
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: to like race bait people against each other. But a

729
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 2: black prisoner stood up for him, and that black prisoner

730
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: said a few simple words that everyone needs to shout

731
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: from time to time. Shut the fuck up, you pig.

732
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And so cha Chaz like, oh cross, racial solidarity is real, right,

734
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Speaker 2: And while he's in solitary, he likes to read. And

735
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: the Nation of Islam has prison is in prisons because

736
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: we get arrested a lot, and they would get themselves

737
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: jobs in prison libraries in order to provide radical books

738
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Speaker 2: to people, which is fucking rad. And so he started

739
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: reading Martin Luther King. He starts reading Malcolm X. He

740
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: also started reading a book called The Seven Story Mountain,

741
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Speaker 2: written by a radical Catholic monk named Thomas Merton.

742
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Speaker 1: Oh kind of look that up immediately.

743
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. He was super social justice in his faith.

744
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: He was really into inter faith understandings. Like all of

745
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: his like theological books are about like why Catholicism isn't

746
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 2: the only way even though it's his way or whatever,

747
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: how different people from different religions can get along and

748
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Speaker 2: understand each other and like including not just like the

749
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: monotheistic religions, but like he writes a lot about I

750
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: didn't write this in my script, but I think it

751
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: was Buddhism, but I don't remember. And he's really into

752
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: writing fight racism in war, and he has this quote,

753
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: I really like, the world is full of great criminals

754
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: with enormous power and they are in a death struggle

755
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: with each other. It is a huge gang battle, using

756
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: well meaning lawyers and policemen and clergymen as they're front,

757
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 2: controlling papers, means of communication, and enrolling everybody in their armies.

758
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: Wow.

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00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, what is his name again? His name

760
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: is Thomas Merton. I haven't read his books yet, but

761
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Speaker 2: I really like this weird like, yeah, he reads them, Okay,

762
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: he reads Malcolm as he reads Thomas Merton. And then

763
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: he gets out of prison and he's like you know

764
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: we need something like the Black Panthers. Good thing, I'm

765
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: the leader of a gang. Nice what will he do?

766
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: Who is to say you certainly can't go read a

767
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: book or some article on some website. You have to

768
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: wait until Wednesday for part two of this epic four

769
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Speaker 2: part series on the Young Lords. But first, before people

770
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: wait until Wednesday, they should hear more about you and

771
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: what you've been working on and how people can find you.

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00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: Well.

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00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: I actually am working on a new album, so that's

774
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: really exciting. I just put out an album last year

775
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: called Life on Earth. My band's called Hooray for the

776
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 3: riff Raff. And you can find me on all the

777
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: social media's, even though Twitter scares the fuck out of me,

778
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: so I don't really hang out there. I'm like trying

779
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 3: to figure out how to exist on the internet without

780
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: it severely damaging me.

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00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: I think we all are.

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00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Instagram, you know all those places you could

783
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: probably see me on tour.

784
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: You should do that definitely.

785
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: When are you going on tour?

786
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: I'll be on.

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Speaker 3: Tour in May on the West Coast. I don't know

788
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: when this will come out, come on in July then,

789
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 3: oh cool, So I'll be on tour in May on

790
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 3: the West coast and in July, I'll be like through

791
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: the Midwest, cool and some other places.

792
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you seriously owe it to yourself to

793
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: go check out Hooray for the riff Raff if you

794
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: haven't heard it before, or if you came here to

795
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: listen to this because you like Alinda. Thanks for listening,

796
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: and I hope you stick around for Wednesday. And you

797
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: can follow me on the internet at Magpie kill Joy

798
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: on Twitter, which I also hate, but I'm there.

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Speaker 1: You're so good at it though, thank you.

800
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: All I do is get really sad about it at

801
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: least once a week, and Instagram at Margaret Kiljoy, where

802
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: I mostly post pictures of.

803
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,479
Speaker 1: My dog as I go hiking. Really cute dog.

804
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: Thanks, I like him. And I will see everyone on Wednesday. Farewell, hello,

805
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: and welcome to wha Acually, Sophie's not here so we

806
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 2: can name it whatever we want. Welcome to Sophie Town,

807
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: the only podcast where all of us are named Sophie

808
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: and pretend like we live in a town called Sophie

809
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: Town where only good things happen. No, I love, Yeah

810
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: that's true. Yeah, Sophie, You've done a really good. I

811
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: like what you've done with the place. And our audio

812
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: editor is Sophie or this is cool. People did cool

813
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: stuff which you probably knew because this is part two

814
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Speaker 2: of a series for which I'll be your host, Margaret

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00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: Sophie Killjoy and with me today is my guest Alinda

816
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: Sophie Sagata, the one a. Yeah, are you doing a

817
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: Linda on this day? That's totally different day than last day.

818
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm doing good. I had a snack a slig bar,

819
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: so I'm feeling great.

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00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: I'm here in New Orleans. You know New Orleans also

821
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: known as Sophie Town, right and yeah, yeah, doing good?

822
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, excited to talk about one of my favorite topics.

823
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Sophie, I mean the Young Lord.

824
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

825
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: Our producer is Ian Sophie. Our theme music was written

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Speaker 2: for us by un woman, and I'm going to drop

827
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Speaker 2: that bit now. This is part two of our extra

828
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Speaker 2: cool four parterer on the Young Lord's only the second

829
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: topic to end up four parter and where we last

830
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: left our heroes. You've got this guy named Cha Cha

831
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: who's just been politicized in jail and then he gets

832
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: out and he's the leader of a gang called the

833
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: Young Lords. So he puts two to two together and

834
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: decides to get some shit done. First, he tries to

835
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: get shitpedne the normal way. He doesn't immediately be like, hey,

836
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: the Young Lords now were radical socialists. He forms an

837
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 2: activist group. He forms an activist group called the Puerto

838
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: Rican Progressive Movement. Oh wow, it doesn't get off the ground. No,

839
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,479
Speaker 2: he's like, this doesn't really work. No one's like really

840
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: excited to go join. I think this is an important lesson.

841
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: No one's really going excited to go join the like

842
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah thing that.

843
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: And then he's like, do you want to be a

844
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: become a Young Lord? And people are like absolute.

845
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally yeah, Like our background is crime and our

846
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: future is the overthrow of capitalism.

847
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you were like sign me up. Yeah.

848
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's like, all right, well, I'm a gang

849
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: leader and I need a bunch of people to try

850
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: and get some stuff done, and we exist to defend

851
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: ourselves from white racists. So fuck it. And I will

852
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: say best as I can tell. Most of the history

853
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 2: center on him a little bit too much. He's really great,

854
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: he's cool, but in all of this, He's not alone.

855
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: A few of the other Young Lords are with him

856
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: from the start of all this change and like are

857
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: part of all the radicalization and are largely left out

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00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: of the histories because people kind of they pick a guy, right,

859
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: and he seems like a great guy to have picked.

860
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: I got no. You know, it's always worth pointing out

861
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: the first thing that they did as the new well,

862
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: they didn't change their name yet. Eventually they're the Young

863
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: Lord's organization. But twenty of them show up to a meeting.

864
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Speaker 2: There's a neighborhood meeting where a bunch of people are

865
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: talking about gentrifying the neighborhood and like literally those huge

866
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: trunks of it. So the Young Lords are very polite

867
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: and calm, they said, politely through the whole thing, and

868
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: then they point out the lack of Puerto Rican representation

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00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: in the group making these decisions. And then they trashed

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00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: the place after sitting very politely. Yeah, they like threw

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00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: chairs around. Yeah. I feel like it just like emphasizes

872
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: the sort of intimidation factor if they're like, oh, interesting, yes,

873
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: and then smash it up. Then they went home and

874
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: they studied. They just like sat down and fucking read

875
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 2: and they talked to people, and they studied leftist movements

876
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: and they like did their homework, and in the end

877
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 2: they were like, all right, Black Panther Party, that's our model.

878
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 2: And I think that the Black Panther Party, who again

879
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: I haven't even done episode on yet, but they're like

880
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: in the center of almost everything we're talking about. So

881
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: many groups exist because of them, right, And so the

882
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: Young Lords they put together a ten point program. And

883
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: if Chascha had been a target for harassment from cops

884
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: before when he was, you know, a gang leader with

885
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 2: a long record, he has twice as much of one.

886
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: Now he gets stopped and arrested like twice a week.

887
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus.

888
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: Everywhere the Young Lords go, the cops are there usually

889
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: like already, I think, and this is really telling. Anti

890
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: gang enforcement in the city of Chicago, including a new

891
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: intelligence unit, started because gangs went political. It was fine

892
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: when you had racist gangs of Irish and German youth,

893
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: and then it was like they actually literally all just

894
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 2: get city jobs. And then it was like fine ish

895
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: when you have the newer non white gangs who just

896
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: do crime. But once they go political.

897
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: Then we can arrest you and like you can all

898
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: fight each.

899
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: Other and yeah, yeah, it's like you're staying busy fighting

900
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 3: each other.

901
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now when they're politicized, they're fucking scared. Yeah, and

902
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: the oppression doesn't stop them. They went some of the

903
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 2: things that they did in their early days. They defended

904
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: welfare activist mothers who did a sit in to demand

905
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: their back payments, like because they weren't getting paid, and

906
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: so they went to security for them. They formally integrated.

907
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: There was always apparently a not I don't know I always,

908
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: but there was a women's auxiliary to the young lords

909
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: called the lord Nets. And the women's role in this

910
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: movement is going to increase over time, and we'll talk

911
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: about that and when they go tal yeah yeah, and

912
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: going political is a huge part of it, right. So

913
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: they formally integrate the women's auxiliary into the main group

914
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: and then everyone, I believe, including the men, start starts

915
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 2: working on offering childcare to their community. They also get

916
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: together with a black gang to fundraise through community picnics,

917
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: teach people about drug safety. They get toys for Christmas

918
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 2: for kids, and like food for people's tables, and they're

919
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 2: doing mutual aid and they're doing community defense and they're

920
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: just like doing the shit that makes sixties groups so

921
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: fucking cool.

922
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: And meanwhile the city is like, we have to destroy

923
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: this violent gang. Yeah exactly who were giving Christmas presents

924
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 3: two children?

925
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they were stabbing people in the beach, the

926
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: cops were like, you know boys. Yeah, there was a

927
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: there was a community council meeting at a police station

928
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 2: about what to do with the Young Lords or whatever.

929
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 2: And so three to five hundred people, made many in

930
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: purple berets, showed up to this community council meeting and

931
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: then they disrupted it. They hung up signs on the

932
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: walls with slogans like city law does not allow pigs

933
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: on the street, and pigs need support centers to keep

934
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: them off the street. They started pushing for what gets

935
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: called or what they called Third World unity, welcoming in

936
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: black and white members as well if they were working class.

937
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: So working class people of all races were a to

938
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 2: join the Young Lords.

939
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: Oh wow, they didn't know that.

940
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, and when we talk the New York

941
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: one will have even more information, or I have even

942
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: more information about the multiracial makeup of the Young Lords.

943
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: They threw a conference on the matter with Chicago Black

944
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: Panther chairman Fred Hampton is the keynote speaker for this

945
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: third world unity concept and trying to get everyone together.

946
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: And then they joined up with this group. Have you

947
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: ever I hadn't. Have you ever heard of a group

948
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: called the Young Patriots?

949
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: No?

950
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: All right, imagine okay, well, first I'm gonna say, okay,

951
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: so they form the Rainbow Coalition, that's what they because

952
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: there's all the different you know, colors of people or whatever.

953
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: And one of the groups is the Young Patriots, who

954
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: are a leftist socialist street gang in Chicago who are

955
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: white Appalachians who use the Confederate battle flag as the

956
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: flag of their socialist movement. Anyway, can't see a Linda's

957
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 2: eyes are like staring.

958
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: Just like wait, my brain is bending, you know, and.

959
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: I like laughing at them. I'm laughing at how incredibly

960
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 2: this doesn't translate to modern politics.

961
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

962
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 3: Also I'm just like I was first even like, whoa

963
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: Appalachian folks in Chicago?

964
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: Like that was interesting to me? Yeah.

965
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 2: Well, And that's actually the thing is that they were facing.

966
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: It's not ethnic oppression, right, but they're facing a specific

967
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: class oppression that is based on where they're from, right,

968
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: because they're not just poor white people, but they're poor

969
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: white Appalachians, and it's a different type of classism that

970
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: still exists to this day, right, Like, and so they

971
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: get called Hillbillies. They're poor as fuck, they're iced out

972
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: of proper white society, and so they're like, all right,

973
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 2: fuck you, Yankee pieces of wasps. Were doing our own

974
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 2: thing or whatever. And they work to start interracial working

975
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: class organizations, to get medical care to children and to

976
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: end the draft. They tied in their struggle with poor

977
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 2: oppressed people everywhere as part of the uprisings around the world.

978
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 2: Their party platform specifically spoke out against cultural nationalism, which

979
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: makes sense, right because they're white people, right, So yeah,

980
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: you kind of just like can't do a nationalism if

981
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: you're white, right in any given context. I mean, if

982
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: you're Ireland trying to decolonize, as complicated, but that's like

983
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: literally in Ireland, not some fucking Irish racist gang in Chicago,

984
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, they're just like doing all of the

985
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: right stuffy. They first met the Panthers when they and

986
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: the Panthers accidentally double booked a church in Lincoln Park

987
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: to do a talk.

988
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 3: That's really that's like a cute meeting minds, I know.

989
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: And so then they just talked about their mutual class

990
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 2: interests and anti war interests, right, because this is another

991
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: thing that's like part of all of us too. You

992
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: have the Vietnam War going on and right all of us.

993
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that, like we have the draft

994
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: going on.

995
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 3: My father actually went to Vietnam, so that was like

996
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: a huge part of my growing.

997
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: Up was learning.

998
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: It was just learning through his eyes and like his

999
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: experience as a marine, a Puerto Rican marine in Vietnam

1000
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 3: when he was super young, and it just like radicalized him, yeah,

1001
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 3: so much when he was able to make it home,

1002
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: you know.

1003
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when I.

1004
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 3: Was young, Like my father was very clear with me,

1005
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 3: you know, elementary school age, just like they put people

1006
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: of color, they put black people and Puerto Ricans on

1007
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: the front lines because they expected us to die and

1008
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 3: we were totally disposable. Just like that's what I was

1009
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: raised with, you know, was from that perspective.

1010
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: When I say that rules, I mean that rules that

1011
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: your dad knew that and passed that along, not that

1012
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: it rules that they did that.

1013
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a total dad ass.

1014
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 3: But that is like such a big part of like

1015
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 3: the background of this story that is hard for me

1016
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 3: to remember. I forget, like, oh yeah, at the same time,

1017
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: you guys were being fucking drafted.

1018
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't. There's so many different things that

1019
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 2: are happening in the late sixties, yeah, that it's hard

1020
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: to keep them all in your head at once and

1021
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: hard to realize that they're all absolutely part of each other. Right,

1022
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 2: And like you have the young Patriots with their Confederate

1023
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: battle flag, which it only makes sense as a like

1024
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: fuck you to Northerners, right, I mean it does not.

1025
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: I am not advocating that anyone call themselves patriots or flight. Yeah,

1026
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: the American either the North or the South flag not

1027
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: a good idea, but like yeah, yeah, And and so

1028
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: they they they meet up, right, and they're talking about

1029
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: anti warshit with the Panthers, And from then on, while

1030
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 2: they continue to fight for white working class, the white

1031
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 2: working class, they almost never appear in public to speak

1032
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 2: without Panthers or young Lords around to support them and

1033
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: to show into racial solidarity. And I suspect that this

1034
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: was like specifically a move if you're a white organizer

1035
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: to be like it's a little bit weird because it's

1036
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: a little bit tokenizing, but it's also a way of

1037
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: being like, you need to know, we are not organizing

1038
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: white people in contrast and against people of color, you know, like.

1039
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1040
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: And uh, let's see some of the shit they did

1041
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 2: by nineteen sixty nine, nineteen seventy. I'm must skip ahead

1042
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: for them just because I'm doing a little side on

1043
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: the young Patriots. They're taking pages out of the Panther playbook.

1044
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: They organized free breakfast programs, they ran medical clinics, they

1045
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: organized clothing drives, they cop watched, and one of the

1046
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: main things that they did that they got remembered for

1047
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: is they took patient advocacy. And this is gonna time

1048
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: into young lords later too. They took patient advocacy. Seriously,

1049
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: people who had to go to the doctor in the

1050
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 2: communities at this like street gang of socialists, like we're

1051
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: taken care of. They would get a Patriot at their

1052
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: door to advocate for them and to come with them

1053
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: to their appointments and shit, whoa yeah, incredible. Yeah, you're

1054
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: like trying to be a shitty classes doctor. And there's

1055
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: this like angry hillbilly who's just.

1056
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: Like berat Yeah, it's socialists.

1057
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: Just like you're gonna you're gonna treat him right.

1058
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, especially for like older folks or just like

1059
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 3: I mean, that's something I always I always knew about,

1060
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: like the Young Lords at least was just like yeah,

1061
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: like very much connection with like older generation.

1062
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: You know totally and and and a lot of medical

1063
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 2: work that is like a huge thing that you, particularly

1064
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: in New York, are gonna do. We're gonna be talking

1065
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: about mostly next week.

1066
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1067
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: They ran a medical clinic, the Young Patriots. They ran

1068
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: a medical clinic. This ends up the most famous of

1069
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: all their activities. It started off serving one hundred and

1070
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: fifty people at dental and medical care. Cops fucked with

1071
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: it constantly. They arrested Patriots for trespassing on their own property.

1072
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: Like.

1073
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: They fought it all in court. It took forever. Eventually

1074
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: they won and their clinic was back open and it

1075
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: served two thousand people for years, four years. It kept

1076
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: it up until nineteen seventy three. The Feds fucked with them, basically,

1077
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: and it also fucked with all of the churches that

1078
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: supported both them and the Young Lords, and the whole

1079
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: thing fell apart because of federal oppression, and anyone who's

1080
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: curious can listen to probably last week by the time

1081
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: you all are listening to this episode about the religious

1082
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: radicals and the movement of pacifists that brought down co

1083
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: intel Pro, or at least revealed it. Yeah, they're cool.

1084
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 3: There was a I went to the Bronx Museum years

1085
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: ago when I was first learning about the because there

1086
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 3: was a big exhibit about them, and one wall was

1087
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 3: just printed out papers of like co intil Pro findings. Yeah,

1088
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: that makes and just like phone recordings, just like spying

1089
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 3: on people, just like covered an entire.

1090
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: Wall, which is like a whole other like we're talking about.

1091
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: The draft is a big part of the background of this.

1092
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: It's like constant infiltration, constant more than just infiltration and monitoring,

1093
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: constant fucking with right, you know. Yeah. And so yeah,

1094
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: that's the Young Lords. Sorry, that's the Young Patriots.

1095
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

1096
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: And that's the Rainbow Coalition. Yeah, the Young Lords, the

1097
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: Black Panthers, the Young Patriots. And then there's another Whitish

1098
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: group called Rising Up Angry, who are some of the

1099
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: more radical chunks of the Students for Democratic Society, who

1100
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: are mostly working class greasers from union families.

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00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: Cool.

1102
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: I know, like I want them to show up on

1103
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: scooters or something.

1104
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1105
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, but they look cool, and it's funny

1106
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: because I'm not. Again, I haven't like covered the Black

1107
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: Panthers deeply, but for anyone who doesn't have a basic understanding,

1108
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: they're a black power organization that I'm certain we'll talk

1109
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: about more or later. They scared the ever living fuck

1110
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: out of the US government. They were violently repressed through

1111
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: direct application of force and through cointel. Pro Black Panthers

1112
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: were into black power, by which I mean a declaration

1113
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: of self determination for black people, and it included such

1114
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: ideas as to quote quote from this book The Young

1115
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: Lords by Johanna Fernandez, which is the main source, the

1116
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: best book that I'm able to find about the Young Lords,

1117
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: she says that black panther black power is quote the

1118
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: right to arm self defense against white racist violence, black pride,

1119
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: and the development of independent black political leadership free from

1120
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: pressures to accommodate the interests of northern white liberals. That's

1121
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: the Rainbow Coalition. Let's talk more about the Lords. By

1122
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine, the Young Lords had their own newspaper

1123
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: which covered all the protests they were up to. It

1124
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: talked about imperialism, It talked about what connected, It connected

1125
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: everything to what was happening in Puerto Rico to what

1126
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 2: was happening in Vietnam and Africa. It had kind of

1127
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: an unoriginal name. It was called why l Ylo or

1128
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: Young Lord's Organization. It's to the point, you know.

1129
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet it had great graphic design, I think.

1130
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: So, I know the New York one. Did I know

1131
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: more about the New York one, which is named after

1132
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 2: one of your songs, But we'll talk about that later.

1133
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

1134
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: The paper covered a ton of stuff, including what was

1135
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: going on and their sister struggles like the Panthers. It

1136
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: had a Pig of the Month feature covering a local cop.

1137
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: Incredible.

1138
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: I can't figure out why the cops get fucking with him,

1139
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: but you know whatever.

1140
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: Wow.

1141
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: And they were all organizing, and there were other organizations

1142
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: they were buds with, like LATTO, the Latin American Defense Organization,

1143
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: and so they provided security for LADDO. It didn't they

1144
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 2: didn't just like perfectly overnight stop being the doing usual

1145
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: gang shit. It took a while, but their connections in

1146
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: the gang world were really useful to them. One of

1147
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 2: their own was killed by a cop at a birthday party.

1148
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 2: I can't remember the details, but he like like, walks

1149
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: out on this walks out of the house, and CoP's

1150
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 2: murder him. Right the cop was acquitted. This is going

1151
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: to be shocking to anyone living in twenty twenty three.

1152
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: A cop got away with murdering someone because so much

1153
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 2: has changed since. Oh god, that's depressing sarcasm.

1154
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

1155
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: The cop was acquitted. There was a march of thousands,

1156
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: including members of a ton of other gangs with names

1157
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 2: like the Cannibals and the Health Stompers, and this gang

1158
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: that was Irish, Black and Puerto Rican called the Almighty

1159
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: Harrison Gents, who I believe are still around. Oh really yeah,

1160
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: And I can't like again, I'm not like I tried

1161
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: doing research about the Almighty Harrison Johnsen. It's like I

1162
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: don't have enough context to make useful declarations about what

1163
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: gangs are up to. I'm not trying to ye. The

1164
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 2: Young Lords are an example of gangs do good many times,

1165
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: you know, but power power structures are complicated, you know.

1166
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: And this gang unity at this march scared the ever

1167
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 2: loving piss out of the cops. And I don't know

1168
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: if this is like where the Warriors comes from, right,

1169
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: but like, oh it's true, but the whole like there's

1170
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: more of us than there are cops, can you dig it?

1171
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: Thing like this is what fucking scares like when the

1172
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: working class realizes that they not only do we have

1173
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 2: the numbers, but we even literally already sometimes have the

1174
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: organizations and the fighting spirit if it could be pointed

1175
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: in the right direction. Yeah, it's the United It didn't last,

1176
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: but what does last is the cuteness of baby elephants

1177
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: bathing themselves.

1178
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: Our sponsor, our sponsor.

1179
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and anything that you hear during this ad break

1180
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: that isn't about baby elephants was a mistake. And you

1181
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,120
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1182
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: loves to hear about how the ads suck and you

1183
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: should tell her. Or you can just press the forward

1184
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 2: fifteen seconds button a couple of times. It's up to

1185
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: you your choice. Here's some ads, so we're back. I

1186
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: for one, particularly enjoyed the one where it was four

1187
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: baby elephants and they were bathing each other. That was

1188
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: the best of the ads that I what was your

1189
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 2: favorite of the ads that we just listened to that

1190
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: were all about baby elephants.

1191
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 3: Now, I always love when a mom walks in and

1192
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 3: starts teaching the ways of elephant nature.

1193
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: That's like one of them's. Sure if I were to

1194
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: make me cry.

1195
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that may have been the best of

1196
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: the odds that you all just listened to. Yeah, yeah,

1197
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: it'd be really I hope that someday we can just

1198
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: have Well, I guess it's not a visual medium, all right,

1199
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: so the young line.

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01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 3: I was so stoked that wasn't a visual medium. By

1201
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 3: the way, anything to not be perceived, Yeah.

1202
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 2: I know, I understand. Trans Day of Visibility was the

1203
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 2: other day. I used a picture from two years ago

1204
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 2: because I was like, I'm not fucking brushing my hair,

1205
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 2: my god, makeup?

1206
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: Fuck that you mothers.

1207
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, trans day of talking to a microphone queer

1208
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 2: day of Yeah, microphones are great be observed by non strangers.

1209
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 2: That's always my favorite. But what was very visible was

1210
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 2: the May fourteenth, nineteen sixty nine, occupation of the McCormick

1211
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 2: Theological Seminary by the Young Lords in Chicago. This will

1212
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 2: not be the first time the Young Lord's the last

1213
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: time that the Young Lords take over at church. Basically,

1214
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: just spontaneously during one of the marches for their dead friend.

1215
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: The McCormick Theological Seminary is part of this urban renewal

1216
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,439
Speaker 2: campaign to bulldoze everyone's houses and so people who don't

1217
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 2: like that, and I don't know if it's actually related,

1218
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: but I think it's really cute that the other main

1219
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 2: story I've talked on the show that takes place in

1220
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: Chicago also centers around a McCormick. It was the McCormick

1221
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: factory in eighteen eighty six that gave us the strike

1222
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,439
Speaker 2: that led to the Haymarket affair, which we talked about

1223
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: in our first ever episode, when immigrant anarchists face down

1224
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: the Chicago police and someone hucked a bomb at them

1225
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: and lots of bad stuff happened. But if you want

1226
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 2: to hear about nineteenth century labor organizing, go back to

1227
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: our very first episode and you can hear about that.

1228
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: It's all part of the fight for the eight hour workday,

1229
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: which included bombs and guns. Anyway back in nineteen sixty nine,

1230
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 2: when they occupied the McCormick Seminary factory, no Theological Seminary

1231
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 2: instead of the McCormick harvester factory, a bunch of the

1232
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 2: seminary students joined in, Oh wow, yeah, Like this is

1233
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: a thing that comes up a bunch is that people,

1234
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, people are more radical than we give

1235
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 2: them credit for, like random bystanders sometimes you know, not

1236
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: always sometimes bysenders. The university conceded to most of their demands,

1237
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: which included shit like when you rebuild, you'd better include

1238
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 2: parks and affordable housing and a daycare center and a

1239
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican cultural center and a people's law office. Next,

1240
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: they went on to occupy Armitage Avenue Methodist Church, where

1241
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: they'd been meeting, which declined them to They basically went

1242
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 2: and were like, hey, we meet here, can we rent

1243
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 2: space to do childcare and free food programs? And the

1244
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 2: Methodist church was like no, And so they're like, are

1245
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 2: we gonna do it anyway? Though, And when they did

1246
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: it anyway, the minister joined them and was like, yeah, no,

1247
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 2: I mean I wanted to be able to do it, damn.

1248
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: And the church turned into a center for social services,

1249
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 2: including a free clinic. I just they just did so

1250
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 2: much shit. We're like, we're not even halfway.

1251
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also just like pushing people to live by

1252
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: their ideals.

1253
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 3: Like also, it's like they're pushing the church to be like,

1254
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 3: this is what you guys are talking about, like helping

1255
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,479
Speaker 3: children and people who need help.

1256
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: So it's also kind of like trusting.

1257
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 3: It's giving them the opportunity of being like, so just

1258
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 3: join us and live by your ideals.

1259
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 2: Actually, you know yeah, And I think that's what a

1260
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 2: lot of radicals did is they just went up and

1261
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 2: they're like, yo, you want to like do the thing

1262
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: that you say you want to do. And a ton

1263
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 2: of them were like, yeah, I want to do that,

1264
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: and a ton of them were like no, I just

1265
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: prefer having a position of power within a structure and

1266
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 2: using it to make my life thase. And that is

1267
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 2: that's religion. It's both of those things, you know. Yeah, yeah, okay,

1268
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 2: But for this next part, we're going to go to

1269
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 2: a different part of the country. Have you ever heard

1270
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 2: of a city called New York City.

1271
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: I've been there. Oh okay, okay, that's where That's where

1272
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: I was born.

1273
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,560
Speaker 2: It has a very unoriginal name, I'll just say. But

1274
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 2: first it was Dutch and it was New Amsterdam. I

1275
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 2: like doing my little weird history and zoom outs some

1276
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 2: different places. It was Dutch and it was New Amsterdam.

1277
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 2: And then the English grabbed it from the Dutch and

1278
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: gave it to the Duke of York, so it became

1279
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: New York. The state is named after the city. Then

1280
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: the Dutch grabbed it back and named it New Orange.

1281
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 2: Then England get no exactly, this is my theory. The

1282
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 2: English got it back, thank god, and changed it to

1283
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 2: New York. Very rarely am I excited when the English

1284
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 2: take things. But could you imagine an alternate world where

1285
01:08:55,720 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: New York was named New Orange. I think New York

1286
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 2: City would not be an important place.

1287
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely not, although like Oranges are great, yeah, but it

1288
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 3: doesn't have the same It's definitely not like a tough name.

1289
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 1: You can't be like from New Orange. You know, it

1290
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 1: doesn't have the same No, the York.

1291
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,560
Speaker 2: I think Newark would be the center of culture of

1292
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 2: the United States of America instead of New York. Wow,

1293
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 2: because it's a nicer than New Orange. Yeah, So New

1294
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: York City fine place. I actually really like New York

1295
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: City for as much as I'm like totally a country

1296
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 2: mouse right now. So New York is fucking amazing.

1297
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're going to do a city, it's like

1298
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: you might as well go to the one.

1299
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might as well be like, be a fucking city. Yeah, totally, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1300
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. I get the advantage of cities where everyone

1301
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 2: still has a single family homes crammed full of too

1302
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 2: many people, and you can get nice food around the corner,

1303
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 2: but those ones you have to drive around.

1304
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

1305
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 3: Being a New Yorker, that definitely is. It's not a

1306
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 3: part of my experience. I'm terrible driver. Yeah, so I'm

1307
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 3: stuck in places that I can bike around.

1308
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is why you know when Hurry for the

1309
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: riff Raff comes to town, because the tour bus is

1310
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: crashed into the venu every single time. You get a

1311
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 2: new tour bus every time that's here, like rock and

1312
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 2: roll thing. Instead of setting the guitar and firet's start away. Yeah,

1313
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 2: so New York City. The Young Lords start up in

1314
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 2: New York City too, and this crew starts with very

1315
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: different routes. Well, it gets presented as very different routes.

1316
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 2: But I don't want to pitch this because the Chicago

1317
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 2: branch was started by preteens looking to fight back against

1318
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,879
Speaker 2: local white bullies and racists, and they wound up socialists

1319
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 2: and communists and shit through that work. The New York

1320
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 2: branch got started by radical political organizers, mostly communists and

1321
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: socialists m okay, who came out of the gate with

1322
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,919
Speaker 2: that revolution stuff. Right. Most of them were college students,

1323
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: but there were college students from poor neighborhoods, many of

1324
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 2: the first of their families to go to college. Most

1325
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 2: of them were Puerto Rican, though at least one this

1326
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: person was black, and not Puerto Rican black, but African

1327
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 2: American black.

1328
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: Okay.

1329
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: And is this thing where it's like people talk about

1330
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 2: like the first and their family go to college, as

1331
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,919
Speaker 2: if it's the sort of like kind of upward mobility

1332
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 2: American dream, like liberally thing or something. But it's it's

1333
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: not a la la la American dream thing. And I

1334
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: don't know if it always is, but it certainly isn't

1335
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 2: in this case. Some of the founders of the New

1336
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 2: York Young Lords were the first wave of people integrating

1337
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 2: school systems, and they grew They grew up fighting with

1338
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 2: their fists and community organization against racist abuse from fellow students,

1339
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 2: from teachers, and from police. They had to fight all

1340
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 2: of those people. So I would argue that even though

1341
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 2: they're the college educated communists, they're not actually that different

1342
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 2: from the Chicago Lords in the end in terms of

1343
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: their roots.

1344
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

1345
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty nine, they heard about the Young Lords

1346
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 2: through the Black Panthers. They the Black Panthers had an

1347
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: interview with Cha Cha in their newspaper. In it, Chasha

1348
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: was saying that they were a class forward, anti imperialist

1349
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 2: organization and that was something that they were in a

1350
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 2: particularly good place to understand as Puerto Ricans. Chasha said, quote,

1351
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 2: we have all kinds of people, a rainbow of people

1352
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 2: among Puerto Ricans, and that's why this is a class struggle.

1353
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: So they'se aspiring New York Lords. They take a road

1354
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 2: trip to Chicago and they met the Young Lord's organization

1355
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, this is what's up, Like, all right,

1356
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna start the New York chapter and the Chicago chapters.

1357
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: Like great, I guess we're the Chicago chapter instead of

1358
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: just the Young Lords, you know WHOA very exciting yeah,

1359
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 2: And their arrival in New York City was specifically really

1360
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 2: well timed because the radical scene was in trouble because

1361
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: of the Panther twenty one frame up. And I've talked

1362
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 2: about it, like really briefly the show and I'm going

1363
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 2: to talk about it really briefly again, but still haven't

1364
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: dived into it. Twenty one Black Panthers had just been

1365
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 2: arrested in New York City. They had been accused of

1366
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,919
Speaker 2: bombing and sniping, of planning to bomb in snipe cop stations.

1367
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: Everyone knows it's a frame up, and as a result,

1368
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: the police had an even worse reputation than usual in

1369
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,560
Speaker 2: New York. Everyone was found not guilty at trial in

1370
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, in the most expensive and longest trial

1371
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 2: in New York's history to that point. Under oath, the

1372
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 2: shitty infiltrators admitted that the violence had been their ideas basically,

1373
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 2: and Afeni Shakur Tupac, Shakor's mother was one of the defendants.

1374
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: She got the undercovers to admit under oath that they

1375
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 2: had betrayed their own community. And if you want to

1376
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 2: hear more about her, I like doing my little connections

1377
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 2: to other episodes in the In the Stonewall episode, we

1378
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 2: can hear more about her because she's one of the

1379
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 2: Stonewall rioters. Because the jail she was in the Women's

1380
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 2: House of Detention was across the street from the Stonewall

1381
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,879
Speaker 2: in and they all rioted in solidarity with the queers outside,

1382
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 2: and or we're all trying to escape and or a

1383
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 2: bunch of queers themselves.

1384
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, this is two bucks mom.

1385
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah whoa gay woman who rioted for Stonewall from inside

1386
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 2: the jail that was on the same street as Stonewall.

1387
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: Damn No, I I had no idea.

1388
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 2: I didn't either until I was working on the Stonewall

1389
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: episode and my friend Hugh Ryan has been a guest before,

1390
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 2: was like, you need to make sure to include the

1391
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: House of Detention in it. And I was like, I

1392
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 2: had never even heard no idea that part of the

1393
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 2: rioters were prisoners, you know, speaking of people I haven't,

1394
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 2: but I guess I haven't spoken about people who are

1395
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 2: often invisibilized, but prisoners often invisibilized in struggle. So this

1396
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 2: is the backdrop for the young lords because the the

1397
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 2: police are on their back foot. They're just they've just

1398
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 2: been deeply embarrassed. They're not as set up to cope

1399
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 2: with this new threat. But at the same time time,

1400
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 2: the Black Panthers in in New York and actually kind

1401
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 2: of across the US by this, but are really fucked

1402
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 2: right and are like not as well organized anymore because

1403
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 2: they've just taken this massive blow. So enter the Young Lords.

1404
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: Some of the founding members were Black Americans, and we

1405
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 2: talked about this earlier and you had some goods to

1406
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 2: say about There have been tension between black and Puerto

1407
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 2: Rican communities in New York. There was a but there's

1408
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 2: also a decades long history of solidarity, especially around instances

1409
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: of police murder, such as in nineteen sixty four. You

1410
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 2: have the Harlem Riots, which are remembered as the nineteen

1411
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 2: sixty four Harlem Riots, which is a terrible name for them.

1412
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 2: Not well, okay, this is too long for a name,

1413
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 2: but it's a more descriptive name. When a white off

1414
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 2: duty cop murdered a fifteen year old black kid named

1415
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 2: James Powell, and people were justifiably upset by this. I

1416
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 2: think it's a racket. Before he was killed, James Powell

1417
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: was part of a small group of black and Puerto

1418
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 2: Rican students who were being harassed in a act for

1419
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 2: congregating near a school. And during one fifteenth month, during

1420
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 2: one fifteen month period ending in early nineteen sixty five,

1421
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 2: the nypdad killed nine Puerto Rican children. Because the police

1422
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 2: are not an institution that is a positive force in

1423
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 2: our society. I'll just go with that. But don't worry.

1424
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 2: White people had solidarity too with the cops.

1425
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: Oh god.

1426
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 2: Uh when the mayor tried to pass a really lackluster

1427
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 2: police review board. I think after this killing. I can't remember,

1428
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 2: but four thousand signatures against a really lackluster police review

1429
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 2: board were gathered. The white conservatives went all out on

1430
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 2: this campaign in order to stop a civilian review board

1431
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:52,759
Speaker 2: or the fucking police. Oh my god, because nothing ever changes.

1432
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 2: They founded the totally legitimate grassroots organization called Citizens Committee

1433
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 2: against Civilian Review Boards, which had a total of three

1434
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy billboards, twenty storefronts, and thousands of people

1435
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:14,679
Speaker 2: door to door canvascene. They advertised in newspapers, TV radio,

1436
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 2: and the ads would feature like pictures of black and

1437
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 2: brown teenagers with switchblades and scared white women. Holy shit, yeah,

1438
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 2: is fucked up? Yeah, and it worked at.

1439
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: That point too.

1440
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 3: That's like a high tech, like fucking media campaign I

1441
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,799
Speaker 3: know at that time period.

1442
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 2: Honestly, like I haven't seen yeah, like yeah, like storefronts,

1443
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 2: I guess that must have been not like how you

1444
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 2: did it before. There was other more media or whatever,

1445
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 2: but twenty storefronts where you could go in and I

1446
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:57,520
Speaker 2: guess like organize and learn against the police being overseen

1447
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,560
Speaker 2: by the people who live in the city. Like it

1448
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 2: wasn't even like some like a cab campaign, you know,

1449
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: like no, just like we're checking in yeah basically, yeah, yeah, exactly,

1450
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 2: Like it's like body cams. That's one of these things

1451
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 2: where it's like, yeah, I guess it's good in the abstract,

1452
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 2: but like it's not. It doesn't stop the things, you know.

1453
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1454
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 2: So this is the this is the New York that

1455
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 2: the Young Lords start in. Right there, white people are

1456
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 2: being real racist and defending the cops. The cops are

1457
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 2: being real racist and killing the Puerto Rican children and

1458
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 2: black kids. And the youngest of these Founding Lords in

1459
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 2: New York was fourteen. Most of them were college age,

1460
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 2: but the fourteen year old joined as part of an

1461
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 2: arts program that helped found the New York City chapter

1462
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 2: that was like one of the groups that did it.

1463
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 2: The founding was an arts arts group. The least cool

1464
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 2: of the Founding Lords was a guy named Roy Henya,

1465
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 2: and he was the least cool because he was an

1466
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 2: undercover cop.

1467
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: Oh nice right from the beginning. Yeah.

1468
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

1469
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 2: Their first public appearance was if you want to pick

1470
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 2: one place in New York City where you think maybe

1471
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 2: some like radicals met up. I'm curious whether this will

1472
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 2: work or not.

1473
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: Just one place. Yeah, I don't know, like a public library.

1474
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 2: No, that would have been a good guess. Tompkins Square Park.

1475
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: My humble beginning. I know, that's often where I call that.

1476
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: That's my early education.

1477
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 2: I think when a Lynda and I met, I was

1478
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 2: sometimes sleeping in Tompkins Square Park during the day because

1479
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: I hadn't found a squad to live in.

1480
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they open it early in the morning.

1481
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. You literally walk around all night, or

1482
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 2: you go to a party and you hang out a

1483
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 2: party all night, and then you go to Tompkin's Park

1484
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 2: and you go to sleep in the park. And that's

1485
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 2: probably where I mid sung now yeah, yeah, you say

1486
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 2: look at us now? Is that we said?

1487
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: Oh no, I said, you take a nice now, yeah,

1488
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: also look at us. Yeah.

1489
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 2: So this is where the Young Lords have their first

1490
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 2: public appearance in New York on July twenty six.

1491
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: So connected, I know this history.

1492
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 2: That's one thing that's cool about New York City. Is

1493
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 2: you can be like, oh, on the following street and

1494
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, like a lot of things happened there,

1495
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 2: you know.

1496
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

1497
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 2: On July twenty sixth, nineteen sixty nine, there was a

1498
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 2: commemoration of the Cuban Revolution organized by a ton of

1499
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 2: New York City leftists and the Young Lords, and the

1500
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 2: Young Lords showed up in purple berets, berets berets and

1501
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 2: black fatigues. Brets would be cute though. Yeah.

1502
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: They had purple breads, definitely, and.

1503
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 2: They had their banner a Cuban flag with an AK

1504
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 2: forty seven superimposed. They're not subtle.

1505
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: At all.

1506
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 2: Their chairman is a poet who spent some time in

1507
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 2: prison and came out of community organizer. And his name

1508
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 2: is Felipe Luciano, a.

1509
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 1: Real g I've met him before. Shit really, oh yeah,

1510
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty fucking cool.

1511
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. He gave a speech in Tompkins Square Park on

1512
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 2: July twenty sixth, nineteen sixty nine. And this is their

1513
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 2: first appearance. Their first action came out not long after,

1514
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 2: and they called it, well, I'm not going to tell

1515
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: you what they called it, because it wasn't called Products

1516
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 2: and Services. But that's what we're going to cut to

1517
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,560
Speaker 2: right now, it's products and services, because I don't have

1518
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 2: usually just to tell everyone how the show runs. Basically,

1519
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 2: Sophie is like, do a fucking ad transition? What the

1520
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 2: fuck that's And here we are without Sophie, lost in

1521
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 2: the wilderness.

1522
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: Our fearless leader due the curse that I brought upon

1523
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: this show.

1524
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been things keep happening to all of us,

1525
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: all of the anywhere I had the script, I was like,

1526
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 2: and it's our second four part. It's because today I

1527
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 2: had to go through and change it to be our

1528
01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 2: our second four part because this is going to be

1529
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: the first four partter. But we've had to delay multiple

1530
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: times this recording because of courses that we won't talk

1531
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 2: too much about. But yeah, yeah, but yeah, speaking of

1532
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: cursed objects, buy some gold with reagans based on it.

1533
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 2: That'll make you happy, healthier, younger, more attractive. Absolutely nothing

1534
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 2: says smart financial decisions, like what if we got a

1535
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 2: crypto ad? Anyway, here's some ads and we'rebeca and so

1536
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 2: far iHeartRadio hasn't kicked us off for talking shit on

1537
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 2: all their advertisers. We'll see how long they last. Yeah,

1538
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 2: it's like I always worry that I'm just doing the

1539
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 2: thing where it's like by talking shit on them, I'm

1540
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 2: just like being edgy and then like making and like

1541
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 2: more appealing or whatever. I just like to fucking feed

1542
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 2: my dog.

1543
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1544
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 2: Like anyway, their first action, the Young Lord's it's not

1545
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 2: long after their appearance in nineteen sixty nine. They call

1546
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 2: it the Garbage Offensive, and this is a reference. Yeah,

1547
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 2: this is like they do a lot of really cool shit.

1548
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: This is legend.

1549
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah fuck yeah cool. It's a reference to the Tet

1550
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 2: Offensive and when the viet Cong turns some shit around

1551
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 2: a year earlier in the Vietnam War. So to tie

1552
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,679
Speaker 2: it all into like we hate America and the Imperial government,

1553
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 2: you know. The the first thing they did was actually

1554
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 2: they just went around fucking talk to people. They walked

1555
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 2: around East Harlem, their own neighborhoods, and they asked people

1556
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: what was wrong, what was on their minds, like, and

1557
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 2: they decided that the first thing they should do was

1558
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 2: something about all the garbage that wasn't getting picked up.

1559
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 2: There's there were mountains of garbage at the time, Whole

1560
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 2: abandoned buildings full of garbage, sidewalks full of garbage, and

1561
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 2: This is because there's a bunch of complicated reasons, but

1562
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 2: mostly just classism and racism.

1563
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: The like.

1564
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 2: People didn't the garbage collectors just would ignore those neighborhoods.

1565
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 2: They didn't bother putting in enough garbage cans at the time,

1566
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 2: they didn't even use garbage bags in the garbage cans,

1567
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 2: so the whole garbage can to get picked up, and

1568
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 2: so garbage goes everywhere. And lots of reasons, but classessm

1569
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 2: and racism at the core of it. So they go

1570
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 2: to the sanitation department. They try. I love how like

1571
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: radicals like, You're always like they just started off blowing

1572
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 2: people up, and you're like, no, they started off by

1573
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 2: they went to the sanitation department and we're like, can

1574
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 2: we have some trash bags and brooms? And the sanitation

1575
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 2: department said, well, what if we give you a bunch

1576
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: of racial slurs instead?

1577
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: Wow, really throwing them a curveball.

1578
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 3: I thine, like, can you just give us some bags

1579
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 3: and brooms so you can clean our neighborhood.

1580
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 2: And they're like, no, we're gonna yell racist shit at

1581
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: you because we're to racists. Yeah, people, I feel like

1582
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 2: white people sometimes think that racism is more subtle than

1583
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 2: it is, you know. Yeah, so they stole a bunch

1584
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 2: of brooms from them getting called racist. That's as best

1585
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 2: as I can tell either way. About thirty five young

1586
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 2: lords started literally just keeping the streets of East Harlem

1587
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 2: clean while wearing their uniforms every Sunday. But this wasn't

1588
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 2: quite the This is like worth trying, but this still

1589
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 2: wasn't quite the move. They couldn't single handedly do it.

1590
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: There's just thirty five of them, and it's just sort

1591
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 2: of volunteerism. Doing that work put them in the public eye,

1592
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 2: and it put them in conversation with people who mostly

1593
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 2: assumed they were there with the government or some church. Okay,

1594
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 2: they got some recruits, but they didn't get a mass

1595
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 2: of them, and it also didn't clean the streets. It

1596
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 2: wasn't enough. So they stepped it up to doing the thing.

1597
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 2: That's the epic thing. Yeah, they gathered a ton of trash.

1598
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 2: If you have any like versions of the story, I'll

1599
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 2: love to hear them, because it's like I know about

1600
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 2: this from books. You know, they gathered it.

1601
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: Well from books?

1602
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Okay, they gathered a ton of

1603
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 2: trash from empty lots, including old mattresses and couches and such,

1604
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 2: took it over to Third Avenue, which is a you

1605
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 2: know avenue that was used by the rich to move

1606
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 2: across Manhattan, and dumped it into the street. And then

1607
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 2: they did this a bunch on various thoroughfairs, just over

1608
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 2: and over again. They did it daily for months.

1609
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 1: Heany, God, I didn't know that.

1610
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 3: Oh yes, he's heard like the lore as if it

1611
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 3: was like this one event, which of course it wasn't.

1612
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: Ye think about it.

1613
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 2: There is one that is the one event, but all

1614
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 2: of this happens first to build up to it, right, Okay, Yeah,

1615
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 2: for months they just dumped trash daily in the middle

1616
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 2: of fucking Third Ave or any other avenue that uh

1617
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 2: like law abiding white people or whatever you use.

1618
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: Like inconveniences rich people. Basically.

1619
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is a more effective tactic than the

1620
01:26:56,120 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 2: volunteerism on almost every metric the city was for to

1621
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 2: deal with the garbage because it was blocking the streets

1622
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 2: that white people used. Hundreds of people started joining in,

1623
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 2: creating the kind of spaces where people get to know

1624
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 2: each other and hang out because the social fabric has

1625
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:14,440
Speaker 2: been disrupted. Yeah, and the young lords would lead impromptu

1626
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 2: discussions and let people air out their grievances and these

1627
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 2: like temporary autonomous zones that were being created. Wow, and

1628
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 2: then when the cops came, they just take off their

1629
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 2: berets and take off and running and they never got caught. Plus,

1630
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 2: the other important metric which to judge actions is did

1631
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 2: you get to build barricades in the middle of the street,

1632
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 2: And the answer was yes, and it's always fun. On

1633
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 2: August seventeenth, nineteen sixty nine, they figured out how to

1634
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 2: have even more fun. What do you think is better

1635
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,799
Speaker 2: than a barricade in the middle of a street?

1636
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: Setting the barricade on fire? Yes, osctly, So.

1637
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 2: They called for a mass action. Loads of people did

1638
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 2: this particular garbage action and then somehow it's spontaneously caught

1639
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 2: fire after some people from the neighborhood poured gas hut

1640
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 2: and lit it with a match. Damn, And the whole

1641
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 2: next day there's a six block radius of East Harlem

1642
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: that was barricaded and people were partying. And it's interesting too,

1643
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 2: right because you have this like the riots are like

1644
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 2: trashing their neighborhoods blah blah blah blah blah thing. Yeah,

1645
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 2: one of the things they were doing is flipping over cars.

1646
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 2: And the thing is they were flipping over all the

1647
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 2: abandoned cars because the city used to have no means

1648
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 2: in place to deal with abandoned cars, so they just

1649
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 2: would wind up in poor neighborhoods. Yeah, yeah, totally and

1650
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 2: be like, well, let the fucking poor brown people deal

1651
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 2: with it, fuck them, you know.

1652
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1653
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 2: So they were like, all right, let's flip over all

1654
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 2: these fucking abandoned cars that got abandoned here, you know.

1655
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 2: And so the cops declared it a riot, even though

1656
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 2: it seems like a block party to me, and they

1657
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 2: sent helicopters me. While the young lords are giving talks

1658
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 2: about how to tie sanitation issues into larger systemic problems,

1659
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: they had a press release with a list of demands,

1660
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 2: which included stuff like, put these are wild demands, these

1661
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 2: are absolute terrorists. Put trash cans on our streets and

1662
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 2: pick up the trash, and not have only white sanitation workers,

1663
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 2: and also give the sanitation workers a raise. Yeah they're cool. Yeah,

1664
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 2: and also no more of this weird shit where for

1665
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 2: a while, in order to get your trash picked up

1666
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 2: you had to bribe the workers. Oh wow, So that

1667
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 2: was their demands.

1668
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 3: May I chime in and is this when Quang Gonzalez

1669
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 3: was the press secretary.

1670
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,560
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I kind of hardly didn't go

1671
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 2: with names on a lot of this, so please tell.

1672
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 3: Me, Well, Huang Gonzalez of democracy now was I know

1673
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 3: they're like head of press, like was the person that

1674
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 3: spoke to the press.

1675
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if he was around for this action

1676
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: if it was later on.

1677
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is because of all the delays,

1678
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,679
Speaker 2: I wrote this script several months ago, and I don't

1679
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 2: remember whether he's someone that someone told me about after

1680
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 2: I finished the script or if he's in here. So

1681
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 2: there's a chance because I do talk about some of

1682
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 2: the press stuff a little bit later. The answer is

1683
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1684
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah he was there for the big famous stuff that

1685
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: we're going to get to as well.

1686
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,560
Speaker 3: Yeah cool, coolah, But just incredible that they had like

1687
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 3: this organization and they were like, all right, we have

1688
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 3: our demands. They were also like very bold but also

1689
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 3: very reasonable, like not even reasonable, and just like, oh

1690
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 3: you're being reasonable. You're not asking for the oppressive forces,

1691
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 3: like for too much stuff. It's just like this would

1692
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 3: make our lives better. And also it's.

1693
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 2: Bold, yeah, totally yeah, the radical demand of what if

1694
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 2: there were garbage cans on the street and then the

1695
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 2: garbage can picker it like took it out? No it,

1696
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 2: I love it.

1697
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 3: I love it.

1698
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 2: And and the fact that it's a radical demand just

1699
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 2: shows us so much about what's happening, you know, the

1700
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 2: all white sanitation workers. It's actually this funny conflict, Like

1701
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 2: I have a generally positive impression of unions, right, but

1702
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 2: unions are not always inherently good or often do bad things.

1703
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 2: And in this case, it was the Italian American Sanitation Union,

1704
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 2: which was very racist, okay, and was like holding control

1705
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 2: over who got to be a garbage or sanitation worker.

1706
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:28,879
Speaker 2: They didn't win most of their demands in this particular

1707
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 2: go of it, but they won nonetheless. They won in

1708
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 2: two ways. First, they showed themselves in other people that

1709
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 2: collective direct action is an incredibly effective method of accomplishing change.

1710
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 2: They got rid of a ton of trash because they

1711
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 2: fucking just got rid of it. And two, they fundamentally

1712
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 2: changed how sanitation worked in New York City.

1713
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

1714
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 2: Sanitation became a hot topic issue in the mayoral race

1715
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,600
Speaker 2: which was happening that year. And so each side was

1716
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 2: one upping the other about how they were going to

1717
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 2: get the trash pickup to be good in the city. Interesting,

1718
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 2: and the city changed how it did trash. This is

1719
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 2: when they started putting plastic bags into the trash cans,

1720
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 2: and dumping schedules were changed, mechanics were put on standby

1721
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 2: to fixed trucks. In three years, the city went from

1722
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 2: meeting seventy seven percent of its trash pickup per day

1723
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 2: to ninety seven point eight percent of the trash pickup

1724
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 2: per day.

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01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible.

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01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 2: Direct action gets the fucking goods, Like seriously, and.

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01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 3: Not to mention like what I've said before about like

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01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 3: reaching out to older generations, like well, from what I've

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01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 3: read about this event, a major thing was.

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01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: That older folks were like, we trust you because you're

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01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 1: actually listening to us, you know.

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01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it became a thing of like we we

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01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 3: believe that you young, you know, like radical kids are

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01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 3: actually caring about what we want as well.

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01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: And I just think that's really powerful.

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01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is such a good point. And the fact

1737
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 2: that the first thing they did was a listening project.

1738
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 2: They went and they were like, yo, what's up. What

1739
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 2: makes your life harden. You know, what can we do

1740
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 2: something about instead of like, I feel like it's really

1741
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 2: easy as a radical to be like I care about this,

1742
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna go do.

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01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 1: This, you know, yeah, or I think this would be

1744
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: good for you, you know.

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01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where it's real bad. Yeah yeah. So yeah, uh,

1746
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 2: they won, not completely. They changed the face of the

1747
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 2: city by a combination of organized and spontaneous direct action,

1748
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 2: which I think also rules right because it wasn't entirely spontaneous.

1749
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 2: They organized that event right, like, you know, And they

1750
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 2: also tripled or quadrupled size in a matter of weeks

1751
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 2: because they were getting shit fucking done.

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01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 1: Damn.

1753
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 2: And what are they gonna do with all those people?

1754
01:33:54,920 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 2: Find out next Monday? That's my cliffhanger. Yeah, but what

1755
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 2: else people should find out about is you and what

1756
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 2: you've been working on and how people can find you.

1757
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 1: Well, I have a band.

1758
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 3: I play music and my band's called Horry for the

1759
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 3: riff Raff and we will be on tour the month

1760
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 3: of May on the West Coast and in July, and

1761
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 3: you can find me on Instagram. I don't really I

1762
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 3: lurk on Twitter, and yeah, I'll be around. I just

1763
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 3: and I'm working on some new music.

1764
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 1: So that's great.

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01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, wait, can I ask you a question about

1766
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 2: your music?

1767
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1768
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:44,600
Speaker 2: So your music has been primarily folk and then you

1769
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 2: put out a song called Hungry Ghosts.

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01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 1: Is that it? Oh? Yes?

1771
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 2: Did a bunch of people like did all the white

1772
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 2: hifsters get mad at you over this?

1773
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: No?

1774
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 2: I told me, oh no, Now I feel really guilty

1775
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 2: having brought it up, and please cut that entire thing out.

1776
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 2: You cut this out? Okay, fine, okay, fine, No.

1777
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: I can take it. I can take it.

1778
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:14,639
Speaker 2: Okay. There's a dance song that Alinda has done. It's amazing.

1779
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 2: It's called Hungry ghost and it's this queer love music

1780
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 2: video about being kind of thirsty after a breakup. That's

1781
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 2: the best I can tell. Or maybe that was my

1782
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,640
Speaker 2: interpretation because of where it is your interpretation, yeah, all right.

1783
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 2: And the comments on YouTube at least when the song

1784
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 2: came out, I don't know what year came out. Time

1785
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 2: is No, they were mad that you had moved away

1786
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 2: from folk music.

1787
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: Oh, this is my favorite thing. It's my favorite thing.

1788
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: I will say.

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01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:51,680
Speaker 3: Mostly I find that is older British gentlemen. Yeah, so

1790
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 3: it really makes me happy. Yeah, it's like the one

1791
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 3: time I am a troll. Like I definitely don't. I

1792
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 3: don't really find myself feeling very truly, but when it

1793
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,799
Speaker 3: comes to that, I'm very.

1794
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 1: Like, yes, so good.

1795
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I like it certainly didn't affect your like

1796
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 2: you know, it was really fun. Yeah, like people were

1797
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 2: still very excited about your music. But I just had

1798
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 2: this moment. I was like, oh, is this the like

1799
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 2: Bob Dylan goes electric moment for a.

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01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: Little Absolutely no. But now I'm back. I'm back to

1801
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: like the like whatever. I'm not definitely not in.

1802
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 3: A mainstream music world, but I feel like the music

1803
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:38,600
Speaker 3: industry has beaten me down enough that I'm like, I

1804
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 3: just want my me and my guitar are going to

1805
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 3: hit the road.

1806
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 2: I don't want all this gear that's legit. Yeah okay,

1807
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 2: well wait, what's the song about to you? I'm the

1808
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 2: for the listeners who are still listening.

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01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 3: I mean, most of my songs, like especially like kind

1810
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 3: of like songs like that. I was I don't know

1811
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 3: what I would call like heart not heartbroken song, Well yeah,

1812
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:11,560
Speaker 3: heartbroken socks actually about my family TMI, okay, but a

1813
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 3: lot of that that song was a lot about like

1814
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 3: running away and being like and yeah, like literally, it's

1815
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:19,480
Speaker 3: not even poetic.

1816
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 1: It's like I was like a ghost to my family.

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01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 1: And I was also very hungry. Okay, okay, so yeah

1818
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 1: that is I love I Love breakup interpretation.

1819
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah no, yeah, it just seemed like a thirsty song,

1820
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 2: like like well, also the video, the video that said

1821
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 2: I think that's yeah, I didn't. I didn't pull that

1822
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. Well, if you want to hear more

1823
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 2: about the Young Lords, you all can check in next

1824
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 2: Monday and next Wednesday when we talk even more about

1825
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 2: all the amazing shit they did, because we're just getting

1826
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 2: started and I will talk to you all soon.

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