1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: Hunt's Giants, Giants, gim me some jobs. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 3: Part of the Giants podcast network. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 4: Let's roll. 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Giants Little Podcast. John Schmelk, Sean O'Hara 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 3: with you. It's all brought to you by Citizens, the 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 3: official bank of the New York Football Giants. Sean, the 8 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 3: Giants were busy in free agency, including two offensive linemens. 9 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 3: And who better to talk to than our resident offensive 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 3: lineman here, Sean O'Hara. So, Sean, let's get right to it. Yeah, 11 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: start with John Runyon. Yeah, what do you see from 12 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 3: him when you watch him on tape? 13 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: Well, listen, we talked so much at this exact table 14 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: last season about man the offense lines just got to 15 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: get better. They're not playing well, they're not producing. The 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: Giants are on a mission to fix that. So John 17 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: Runyon is an unbelievably consistent player. I really like his 18 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: film because when you start watching the game film moment, 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: he's so consistent. His footwork is excellent, He's got great hands. 20 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: There's some times when speed can kind of bother him 21 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: a little bit, but that happens a lot with young player, 22 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: and I feel like John Runyan. We're getting him at 23 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: the perfect time in his career, like this is his prime, 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: and I think his best football is ahead of him. 25 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: I really like the toughness that he brings. Obviously he's 26 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 2: got that in his DNA from his father playing tackle 27 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: for so long in the NFL. But John Runyan's got 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: a great punch. Watching him on film, as I know 29 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: you've seen him as well, he does a great job 30 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: with his initial punch, but he does a good job 31 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: replacing the hands. So that's always one thing that you 32 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: look at with. 33 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: Off of the lineman. 34 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: All Right, how much more we're gonna have to correct 35 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: once he gets here? I don't think technique wise, there's 36 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: a whole lot that he really has to polish up. 37 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: The footwork is there, the change of directions. Sometimes it 38 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: can be a little bit slow, or he'll be a 39 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: little bit behind the guy. But I think his athleticism 40 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: in the run game really shows up, and he can 41 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: tell a guy he can backside cut off. It's really good. 42 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: You can tell he played tackle in college. Remember he 43 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: was Michigan starting left tackle. He passed blocks like a 44 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: tackle playing guard. A lot of times when you watch him. 45 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, a lot of times guard's true guard. They 46 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: don't handle space very well. They don't have that length 47 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: and they can't They don't like punching and kind of 48 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: having that full extension. They want everything kind of in tight. 49 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: He definitely can handle himself in space. So to your point, 50 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: if you play tackle in college, you were probably one 51 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 2: of the better athletes on that offensive line. So now 52 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: moving into guard, the athleticism shows up. I think the 53 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: one thing that you always worry about with tackles moving 54 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: into guard is can they handle the power because now 55 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: you're dealing with bigger bodies. And he's done a good 56 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: job with anchoring, and you know, whenever he's got a 57 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: power rusher coming on, he does a pretty good job 58 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: of settling that down and slowing it down. 59 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: So I think for the Giants. 60 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: They got a great upgrade at the guard position from 61 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: a consistency level. And you know, pass protection is always 62 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: what you hang your hat on as an off as 63 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 2: a lineman. But what I really like about what John 64 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: Runyon brings to the run game is he's got a 65 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: little bit of a nastiness to him. He's got a 66 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: little finishing him like he likes pushing people. He likes 67 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: pushing the piles. He likes moving people off one of scrimmage, 68 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: and I think that's something that's good going to really 69 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: benefit the Giants. 70 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: I wouldn't consider him a maller necessarily. All you know, 71 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 3: he's not like a pancaker that that that that that's 72 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: going to dominate one on one blocks and pancake guys. 73 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 3: But I think to your point with the pass protection, Sean, 74 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 3: that's clearly a priority based on the two guys that 75 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: Giants brought in. And we'll get to Jermaine Luminor in 76 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 3: a second. And the thing that I like watching a 77 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: watching run and you can tell he's smart and he 78 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: studies based on how the defensive line is lined up. 79 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: His head is on a swivel at all times looking 80 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: for those twists and stunts and the loopers, which is 81 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: something this Giants offensive line that has had issues with 82 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: for years. 83 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: Yeah. 84 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: I know it's tough for me to actually admit this, 85 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: but defensive linemen are typically better athletes than o lineman. 86 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: So you know, if it's a foot race or if 87 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: it's a speed thing like, they probably have the edge 88 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: or the advantage. But anticipation is so key. And to 89 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: your point, it's a great point. He has great football intelligence, 90 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: great awareness to what is this defense trying to do 91 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: to me? And you know when you turn on the 92 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: film and you watch he picks up stunts really well. 93 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: Whether it's a tackle in twist on the defensive line position, 94 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: or whether it's a stunting defensive lineman and a linebacker 95 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: that's added to that blitz. He always seems to be 96 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: in the right position. He anticipates that well, so he's 97 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: never out of balance, he's never over his skis, he's 98 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: never top heavy. And I think a lot of that 99 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: comes from film study, but also just understanding schemes and 100 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: what defense are trying. 101 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: To do to you. 102 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 4: You love turf, You're good at it, so you start 103 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 4: a turf fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the 104 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: most celebrated name in turfs. Are you ready for all 105 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 4: that life brings? 106 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: Johnson? A podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the 107 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: official Bank of the Giants. 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When you see him on tape, 114 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: how would you classify him in terms of offensive lineman's style? 115 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: What are the Giants getting with him? 116 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. 117 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: He's kind of he's got a unique style because he's 118 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: when you look at him, you're not like, Wow, this 119 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: guy's super fast, and you know, he's not a super maller. 120 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: He's just he's like he's almost like passively strong. 121 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's even a thing. I 122 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if that's a style now. 123 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 2: I think he makes it look easy and for such 124 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: a big guy, he's he's pretty graceful, and I think 125 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: a lot of times you can watch a guy in 126 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: a pass set and it just looks like he's just 127 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: working so hard, like he's fighting his body to get 128 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: back in the pass set. He almost kind of reminds 129 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: me of Donald Penn a little bit with the way 130 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: that he kind of glides back. And it's a lot 131 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: of times Ralfen's line play you have to find what 132 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: works for you and Jermaina Luminor has done a great 133 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 2: job of morphing from when I watch film him coming 134 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 2: out of college to the player he is now. He 135 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: is so much stronger, he's so much more technically sound 136 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: with his hands, and he's got heavy hands. Like the 137 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: one thing that I'll say about a style play like 138 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: when he punches guys, and when he gets on guys, he. 139 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: Moves them and like that it's over. 140 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: Like rarely do you see him punch a guy, lock 141 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: onto a guy, and then lose him late in the play. 142 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: Like he's a good finisher. So I call that a 143 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: heavy handed guy because when he punches you, it can 144 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: be with one hand sometimes or with both hands. Like 145 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: he moves you, he basically stops the passwords there. So 146 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: I like what he does with his hands. He's got 147 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: a really good anchor, and I think he uses that 148 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: to his advantage. He uses that when he's setting as 149 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 2: a tackle because he knows, hey, I can vertical set 150 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: a little bit and by time, because you're not gonna 151 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 2: run me over, You're not gonna just knock me back 152 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: in the quarterback. I can sit down on this. 153 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: On a power rush, I. 154 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: Can get my hands in and I can maintain that 155 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: anchor drop my hips, So I think that gives him 156 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: an edge against any kind of rusher that really builds 157 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: everything off of the power. 158 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: First, I like to go back and take a look 159 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: at these guys and see, well, where'd they struggle? Right, 160 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: where's so when when they gave up pressures? Why did 161 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 3: they give them up? And you go back and I 162 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: watched all the luminor's pressures, and of them is based 163 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 3: on speed around the edge. To your point, he doesn't 164 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: get bowl rush. He anchors extremely will. I think he 165 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: does a good job of protecting his inside shoulder. He 166 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: doesn't get beat inside a ton, but he does give 167 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: up some speed sometimes, but a lot of it is 168 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: to some of the best players in the league. 169 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. 170 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: Give up six sacks basically last year, and two of 171 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: them were to TJ. Watt especially terrorized some of the 172 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: best tackles in the league. And three of them were 173 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: against the Raiders, excuse me, against Khalil Mack and the Chargers. 174 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: And the one thing that was a common thread with that, 175 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: Yes they were edge rushes, but two of them they 176 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: were also he was laid off the ball. So as 177 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: you're watching the film, you're like man like, is he 178 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: struggling with the speed rush or up he was laid 179 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: off the ball, so that compounding each other made it 180 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: even worse. But I think every tackles biggest fear is 181 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: getting beat right now, Like the speed rush guy, that's 182 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: one of the toughest blocks for a tackle because you're 183 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: trying to beat him to a point, that intersection point. 184 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: So that's always the challe and I think he knows 185 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: that too. That's why I think what I was saying 186 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: was he'll take more of a vertical set to meet 187 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: that guy as opposed to jumping out there because you 188 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: don't see him getting beat inside. So that tells me 189 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: that he's not over setting. 190 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: He's not so. 191 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: Worried that I got to get out there for the 192 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: speed rusher that I'm over committing. And now I'm giving 193 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: him the inside move. So he does a good job 194 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: giving them a one way go. So I think he's 195 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: done a great job of kind of understanding what pass 196 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: rushers trying to do to him, and he knows his limitations. 197 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: He knows like, all right, that speed is one of 198 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: my challenges. I've got a vertical set, I've got the 199 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: power to withstand if they turn it into a bull rush. 200 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: But I think his ability to he started a right tackle, 201 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: he started a left tackle. He can play both sides, 202 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: and that is such a rare commodity to have a 203 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: guy that can go over the left side and play 204 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: just as well on the other side of the football. 205 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: And he can move in and play guard too. And 206 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: the way you talk about his power and his anchor, 207 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: even though he's a little bit taller, makes me think, Look, 208 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: if Evan Neil gets with Carlin Burcello and they decide that, look, 209 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: he's made strides here. We you know, starting right tackle, 210 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: We're good with that. And you want to make Jermaina 211 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 3: Luminoor you're starting right guard and put him right between 212 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: Neil and Schmidt's opening day watching tape, there's no reason 213 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 3: to think that, with Illuminar's strength and his athleticism that 214 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: that's something he can't do. 215 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: I think it could be a viable option at left 216 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: guard too, you know. I mean, if if Runyan's your 217 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: right guard and Luminore ends up being it's who were 218 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: my best five? Well, I think Illuminoor has a chance 219 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: to be one of those five. 220 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 3: It's talking to Runyan. Remember we talked about him playing 221 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 3: left tackle in Michigan. I think he actually feels more 222 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: natural at left guard than right guard, right, so figure 223 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 3: it out. 224 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll try them both. 225 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: Ye. 226 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: And you know what if Runyan's at left guard and 227 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: then now you have Illuminai right at right guard next 228 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: to Evan Neil, that's a lot of beef over there, 229 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: and I think that would be a very attractive combination 230 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: if you're using that right side lines, your power blocking techniques. 231 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 3: And then a lumind or too. You mentioned this with Runyan. 232 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: He's just trying to play his best football. Remember Jermaina Luminor. 233 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: He might be closer to thirty, but he didn't start 234 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: playing football to high school in London. 235 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a late bloomer where he. 236 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: Played soccer, by the way, then he came here started 237 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 3: playing American football. Also wrestled in high school, so you 238 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: got the feet from soccer, you got the hands from wrestling. 239 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: So you know, talking to him and you guys go 240 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: check it out on the Giants YouTube channel. He did 241 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: a seventy minute conversation with the guy and he said, John, 242 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 3: I sucked my first five years in the league. I 243 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: was a bad player. I was not very good, but 244 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 3: I've figured it out now and I'm better and I'm 245 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: ready to start and be a contributing player. So I 246 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: think he's a guy that maybe you had to be 247 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 3: a little bit more patient with because he was later 248 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 3: to the game. 249 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 250 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: I love the awareness, you know, hey, look this is 251 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: what I was not good at, and so now you know, 252 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: admitting it is the first part and then fixing it 253 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: is the next. So I think that he's got that 254 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: great personality, like Giants fans are already falling in love 255 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: with it. 256 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: He's talking about how much. 257 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: It means to him to wear the n Y on 258 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: his helmet and to wear. 259 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: The blue uniform. 260 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: He's a Jersey kid, you mentioned like he grew up 261 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: playing soccer. His first football NFL football game he ever 262 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: watched was the Giants against the Dolphins in Wembley Stadium. 263 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: He was looking for the arsenal game. He told me 264 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: he just came on. He's like, hey, what's this? 265 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, what is this game in football? Where they it's 266 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: football but they use their hands. I'm not trying to 267 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: figure that out. And I think that kind of grew 268 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: his passion. So I remember talking to him when he 269 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: was coming out. I was at the combine, and you know, 270 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: being a Jersey kid, you know, I just said hello 271 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: to him and he was like, man, it would be 272 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: my dream to play for the Giants. So Jermaine, I'm 273 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 2: sorry it took so long, but you're finally here. I 274 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: kind of went through the same path. I played in 275 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: Cleveland for four years and then I came home, so 276 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 2: welcome home, Welcome back to Jersey. We got to ask 277 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: him if it's Taylor Ham or port role. We got 278 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: all kinds of questions for him. 279 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 3: A British version of that that we don't know about it. 280 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, bangers, something like that, bankers and mash, little 281 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: bloody sausage. I don't know, but I like his tenacity 282 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: and I like his personality, Like offensive linemen were different breeds, 283 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: like we know it. We have this turn we call 284 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: the mushroom society where people just kind of put us 285 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: in the corner of the dark place and we will thrive, 286 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: Like we are okay with that. He represents all of that, 287 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: like he loves the grind and you watch film, he 288 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: loves just mauling people. Like he's a very physical player, 289 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: and I like. 290 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: That about him. 291 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 2: He's got a little nastiness in him, like he likes 292 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: taking guys to the grind, he likes throwing a little 293 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: dirt on him. So I think that personality is infectious, 294 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: and I think it's contagious, and I think other guys 295 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 2: build off of that. Runyon has that as well from 296 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: his time in Michigan. Look that that offensive line has 297 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: been one of the best in the league, for one 298 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: of the best in college football for a couple years. 299 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: They won the Joe Moore Award a couple of years ago, 300 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: and so obviously national championship. They're very proud of all that, 301 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: as they will tell you over and over again. But 302 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,119 Speaker 2: I'm really happy for Jermain and Lumore because he's excited, 303 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 2: Like he's excited to be a part of this franchise. 304 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: He's so geeked up. If you follo him on. 305 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: Social media, you know he's been super geeked up about it. 306 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: He can't wait to run out of that Tonne on 307 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: my Life and greet the fans for the first time. 308 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: Sounds like a Rutgers lie that's tired of hearing from 309 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 3: people he knows that went to Michigan. That's what it 310 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: sounds like. 311 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you hear it a little bit, you get tired 312 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, we're over it. 313 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: It's gives love of winner. It's why they Citizens then, 314 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty two best bank in the US by 315 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 3: the banker as the official bank of the Giants and 316 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: sponsor of the Huddle, Citizens is made ready for fans 317 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: of Big Blue. Learn more at citizens bank dot com. 318 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 3: Showed us a birthday party to get to. We have 319 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 3: bb can here too, So we got a couple more minutes, 320 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: but I got a cupcakes. 321 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: We got cupcakes waiting for it. 322 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: We do, but we have to get to the big 323 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: move the Giants made Sean. But let's start with what 324 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: allowed them to make that big move, and that's losing 325 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley and Zabra McKinney. And I was trying to 326 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 3: explain the fans opportunity costs, right, all right, Well, if 327 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: you don't sign Saquon and Zabra McKinney, well guess what 328 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: then you have that money to alec at elsewhere. And 329 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: that's what the Giants did by paying the second round pick, 330 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 3: I'll call it the toll to just have access to 331 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 3: the player. Then trade and sign Brian Burns to a 332 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: big time contract. Uh. You look at his production and 333 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: you think, hmm, only ten sacks once? Ye right, yeah, 334 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 3: And then you look at the tape and you're like, boy, 335 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: I really think there should have been more. I loved 336 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 3: them coming out in college. I remember, I think you 337 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 3: were here that draft night. We wanted him to drop 338 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: to the Giants. So the Giants got dext to Lawrence 339 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: and worked out anyway. But boy, you watch Brian Burns's tape, 340 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 3: that guy is every pass rush move in trait you 341 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 3: want from it edge guy. 342 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 343 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 2: The word that came out of his prescott was relentless 344 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: and that's exactly how he is on film, and it's 345 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: he's not just a pass rusher, Like this dude is 346 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: relentless on first down, on second down, and then third 347 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: down he's licking his chops. I think the production it 348 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: was shocking because if you watch the film, you'd be like, 349 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: this dude's double digit sacks, Like you know, he's he's 350 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: probably you know, top five in the league in pressures 351 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: because he's always harassing the quarterback part of it. Look, 352 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: let's be Burwally honest here. The reason why the production 353 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: wasn't great was Carolina sucks like they were awful last year. 354 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 3: It's hard to rush the pass when you lose. 355 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: You've got to have a lead, like you gotta be 356 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: in a game. So he probably I don't know what 357 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: the numbers probably say. I'm sure next Gen Stats has it, 358 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: but he probably has less pass rushes than all these 359 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: other guys that have all the big sacks because he 360 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: just didn't get a chance to do it. So look, 361 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: their defense was the strong suit, but they didn't have 362 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: the lead offensively. They were out of a lot of 363 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: games early on, so that exkews the production, no doubt 364 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: about it. But his ability to impact the quarterback, there's 365 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: so many times where he does such a great job. 366 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: He's got an unbelievably explosive first step, and I think 367 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: pairing him with Keaveon Thibadeau, now you have two guys 368 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: that that's really one of their strength is getting off 369 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: the ball. Oci Yumanor had the best gut off I'd 370 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: ever seen in person. He has the best and quickest 371 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: get off that I've ever played against I've ever seen 372 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: in the NFL. Brian Burns is in that category. He's 373 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: got that first step, so you see him beating a 374 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: lot of guys on the edge rush and he does 375 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: a great job of kind of dipping that shoulder and 376 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: running that rim, and a lot of times that quarterback 377 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: feels that he has to step up, so he's stepping 378 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: up into other defenders, whether it's Frankie Luvu or somebody 379 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: else on. 380 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: The caroline of defense. 381 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: Lawren's here, right, So now you've got two guys that 382 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: are rushing the edge and forcing him a step up 383 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: in the pocket to those interior guys. So nobody pushes 384 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: the pocket better than Dexter Lawrence right now, as we 385 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: all know, it's going to really compliment each other. But 386 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: the way that Brian Burns plays every other snap too, 387 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: he's a difference maker, and he reeks Havoc in this 388 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator defensive philosophy with Shane bow and the 389 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator. He wants guys to just get in 390 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: the backfield and create chaos. 391 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: And he'll sign up in him a wide nine, which 392 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: is exactly where you. 393 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: Want penetration, Like I want you just figure it out later, 394 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: like you're not reading anything, you're not reacting anything, just 395 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: cause Havoc rec shop and that's exactly what Brian Burns does. 396 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: I think the thing that people are probably a little 397 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: surprised about when they meet Brian Burns how big he is. 398 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: No, he was. He didn't have his arrow of as 399 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: a frame as I thought. He was very wide. 400 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: He's much bigger in person and on film you don't 401 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: really get an appreciation for that. And he's got super 402 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: long arms as an offensive line, and that's one of 403 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: the most frustrating things when you play against a guy 404 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: that's got these go go gadget arms. It makes it 405 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: really hard to get into his body and to block 406 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: him and move him. So he has long arms, he 407 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: uses them really well. He's got great hand technique. 408 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 3: And that's the whole speed to power thing, right. He 409 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: threatens you with the outside, then he comes in with 410 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: the long arm. And I've seen him put these offensive 411 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: tackles on skates a number of times because they're ready 412 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: for the speed, and then he comes with the long 413 00:16:59,640 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: arm power. 414 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that speed gets them kind of on one foot 415 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: and then he can just kind of pry him open 416 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: like a beer can. And I think that's what the 417 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: giants really love about him. And I think too, he's 418 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: one of those guys that he makes your defense better 419 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: from his mindset and his attitude, Like, this guy's a worker, 420 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: like he can't wait to just get to work and 421 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: start with this new team. So I think that's a 422 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: huge pickup. I think the production will come. But what 423 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 2: he's bringing to this table, to the Giants defense, and 424 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: what he's bringing to the table from an edge standpoint is, look, 425 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 2: this guy is a force and on third down like 426 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 2: he's gonna he's gonna make the quarterback position harassed. He's 427 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: gonna make it tough on him. 428 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens, 429 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 4: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 430 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 431 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 4: you ready for all that life brings? 432 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: I think? 433 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 3: And you mentioned the combination of him and Dexter Lawrence 434 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: and Kavon is just gonna give offensive Lineman absolute fits 435 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 3: all right, losses of Saquon is ever mcginning obviously heard, yeah, 436 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: talk about that. And then I love the addition of 437 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: Devin Singletary. You know, both of us were really impressed 438 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: by his film, probably better than both of us thought 439 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: it was going to be. 440 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Devin Singletary, he the film I watched on him, 441 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: the more excited you get, and it's like, whoa, look 442 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: at that. That was a great cut. Oh my gosh, 443 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: great vision, great job setting up the block. How did 444 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: he see that defender? Like, he's got a lot of upside. 445 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: I think it's helps him Sean he's so low to 446 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: the ground. Yeah, he's good contact balance guys of trouble 447 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 3: lyning them up and getting him to the ground. 448 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: You never see him take a big hit, no, Like 449 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 2: he's always kind of at the last second making a 450 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: little subtle move that's getting him another one or two 451 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: yards with all those dirty yards. But he's an explosive 452 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: runner in the fact that he gets vertical like Devin Singletary. 453 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: You don't see him stringing plays out. He doesn't dance 454 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: in the hole. He sees it, he hits it, and 455 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: he accelerates through contact. So there's a lot to like 456 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: with him. He you know, you look at the production, 457 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: it's kind of like Brian Burns. Thing he doesn't have. 458 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 2: He's never had a thousand yard rushing in a season. 459 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: But he went down to Houston. Damian Pierce was the 460 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 2: starting running back and he gets banged up. He took 461 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: over the role and never you know, basically never relinquished it. 462 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 2: So he's kind of one of those players that you're like, 463 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 2: we can't keep him off the field isn't half productive. 464 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 3: And the yards get limited. He doesn't have those big 465 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 3: explosive runs. He doesn't have the top end speed, right, 466 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 3: that's the one thing he's missing. I think you've run 467 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 3: over four to six to combine, right, So that so 468 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 3: that's kind of I think where the yards get trimmed 469 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: off a little bit. Al Right, final thing before we go, Sean, 470 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 3: I do want to touch. 471 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: On and Xavier, Yeah, please those You kind of mentioned 472 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 2: those and we jumped right into Devin single there because 473 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: we're so excited about motor. 474 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: But I feel like those were purely. 475 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: Economical decisions agreed. And it wasn't that Xavier McKinney is 476 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 2: in a great player. It's that we weren't in that ballpark. 477 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: It was position cost and building your own Yeah. 478 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: And so as you're looking at the pie, which is 479 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: the salary cap, it's I only have so many pieces 480 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: in that pie, and I've got to divvy out certain slices. 481 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: If I give one this person this big of a slice, 482 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: that's taking away from if you split the pine half 483 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: half goes defense, half goes the offense. Now you're shrinking 484 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: the amount of slices that are left for other players. 485 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: So if you pay Barkley and McKinney. 486 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: Right, So that's the Xavier McKinney thing. Looking he was 487 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 2: an unbelievable player for the Giants, a captain, played every 488 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: single snap last year defensively, so he was durable, not 489 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 2: a Saquon Saquon. I think for every Giants fan this 490 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: was so tough because he was the face of the 491 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 2: franchise and he was the heart and soul of the team. 492 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: Last year when Daniel Jones went down, people were coming 493 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: to watch Saquon play, and that was kind of why 494 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: it's been so hard to see him go to another team, 495 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 2: let alone our division rivals in the phildelf Eagles. So 496 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 2: that's been tough. But for Saquon, this was about guarantee money. 497 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: And I say this was all economically. This was guaranteed 498 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: money for him. He's been hurt almost every year of 499 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: his career. He knows that, so it's I need to 500 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: go for the most guaranteed money because I've got to 501 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: protect my family. I only have so many years in 502 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: the league, especially as a running back, so that position 503 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: is so physically brutal. 504 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: I think for the. 505 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: Giants, this is one of the first times that I've 506 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: seen a guy of that magnitude, with that much star power, 507 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: that has basically chose another team over the Giants. That 508 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 2: doesn't happen like people don't leave here willingly to go 509 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 2: to another place. That's usually because hey, I'm getting more money. 510 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: This is that's the case too. So from a production standpoint, 511 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: you can replace Saguon Barkley, you can replace what he 512 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 2: did in the run game, you can replace what he 513 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: did as receiver, the touchdowns, all of that. The difference 514 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: with Saquon was just now, all of a sudden, defense 515 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 2: really had to gain play for him. So it does 516 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: it open things up? 517 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: Well? 518 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: I think when you look at the Giants offense, it 519 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: was at times one dimensional. It was all about Saquon 520 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: and if you stopped him, that was it. I think 521 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: this offense is going to be different now. Devin Singletary 522 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 2: can replace some of that production, and I think financially 523 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 2: from a team standpoint, it makes sense. As much as 524 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: it was it's tough to see Saquon leave and go 525 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: play for another team. It was the right move for 526 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 2: the franchise, and really it was the right move for 527 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 2: Saquan as well, because he got what he wanted. 528 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: Both players did what they had to do. I think 529 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: the Giants did what they had to do, and sometimes 530 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: that's just what happens, right real quick, ten seconds or less, 531 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 3: Giants now sixth overall, what position are you keeping an 532 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: eye on that you really think they need to add 533 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 3: to make this team more complete? 534 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: Well, no doubt about it. 535 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: They need offensive playmakers, they need explosive plays. Like this 536 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: game is about points. If you can't score points, you 537 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: can't win football games. Too many times last year the 538 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: Giants defense was holding teams under twenty points and couldn't 539 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: get the win. It was because we needed points. So 540 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 2: I think with that sixth pick, if you can get 541 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: a guy that provides instant production for you, you can't 542 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 2: miss on that. So there's some receivers in this draft 543 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: that are phenomenal. Marvin Harrison Junior obviously Neighbors is extremely explosive, 544 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: and then Romo Dunze, Who's who I've been, you know, 545 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: really pitching because I like what he brings to that 546 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: receiver room, Like I call him wide redvas. 547 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 3: This guy has no deva a physical blockers. 548 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: This guy, I mean, he loves to get his hands dirty. 549 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: He's competitive. I've never seen this before. The combine John 550 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: he stayed after the entire group he was working on 551 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 2: with left the field. He was the only one out 552 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: there and he was repeating his elkoone drill because he 553 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: wanted to get a better time. He already posted a time. 554 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: They were like, you're fine, You're good. 555 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 3: He's like no, and it was a good time. By 556 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 3: the way, it wasn't a toad time said I can 557 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 3: do better. 558 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 2: So in an age and an era where we have 559 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: guys that are saying I'm not going to work out, 560 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: I'm not going to compete, I don't want to do it, 561 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: this guy is saying, no, I can do better. 562 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: So I love that competitive spirit in him. 563 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: And he played through prokely ribs this year too as 564 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: a wide receiver. All sorts of tough guys stuff. So 565 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 3: we've shown out again before the draft, will break down 566 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 3: some of the offensive line prospects and do all other 567 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 3: stuff as well. But we got Datino and Lance ready 568 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 3: to charge in here and kick us out. Showing us 569 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: a birthday party to get to so for showing a haarra. 570 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 3: I'm John Schmeilk. Thanks for joining us in the Giants 571 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 3: of the podcast brought to you by Citizens, the Official 572 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 3: Bank of the Giants. We'll see you next time.