WEBVTT - Ed Wood I

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<v Speaker 1>For a time. We tried to contact him by radio,

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<v Speaker 1>but no response. Then they attacked a town, a small town,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll admit, but nevertheless a town of people, people who died.

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<v Speaker 1>Ephemeralist production of My Heart three D A for full

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<v Speaker 1>exposure Listen was that phones. Every so often an artist

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<v Speaker 1>comes along who challenges the core tenets of their medium,

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<v Speaker 1>raising questions like is there such a thing as objective

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<v Speaker 1>quality in art? What makes something good art or bad are?

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<v Speaker 1>And who's to tell the difference. One such figure was

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<v Speaker 1>director Edward D. Wood Jr. A legend of genre films

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<v Speaker 1>from the nineteen fifties and sixties. Some would say he's

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<v Speaker 1>the worst director of all time. Others might label Edward

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<v Speaker 1>as a groundbreaking visionary who did things no other Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>contemporary could do. Some are still not sure what to

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<v Speaker 1>think today. Ephemeral producer Trevor Young takes us on a

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<v Speaker 1>journey through Woods filmography and wades into the decades old

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<v Speaker 1>debate on the director's unique output. It was the year

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen Hollywood filmmaking was at an all time high, with

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<v Speaker 1>releases that year including The Shining I Said I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna hurt you, I'm just gonna bash your brains and

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<v Speaker 1>star wars. The Empire strikes back equally you I am

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<v Speaker 1>your father. But despite the recent abundance of fantastic cinema,

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<v Speaker 1>film critic brothers Harry and Michael Medved decided they would

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<v Speaker 1>highlight something else, the worst of the worst in film.

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<v Speaker 1>So that year the Medved brothers published a book called

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<v Speaker 1>the Golden Turkey Awards, featuring winners for categories like worst

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<v Speaker 1>performance by a politician, Well you can't you tell me

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<v Speaker 1>here now, or I'll drag you up before the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll tell me there. And most embarrassing movie debut.

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<v Speaker 1>How could you a Roman magistrate believe that perjurer? A

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<v Speaker 1>sniveling little toady look at him fawning on Linus, waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for his reward. The worst director was Edward D. Wood Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>And the worst film was Wood's nineteen fifty nine sci

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<v Speaker 1>fi film Plan nine from Outer Space. Greetings, my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>we are all interested in the future, for that is

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<v Speaker 1>where you and I are going to spend the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of our lives. And remember, my friend, utual events such

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<v Speaker 1>as the will affect you in the future. But despite

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<v Speaker 1>being labeled as the worst director and having the worst film,

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<v Speaker 1>of all time. Edwood is insanely popular even today. His

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<v Speaker 1>films are still played in theaters around the country and

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<v Speaker 1>they appear regularly on TV. Tim Burton directed a biopick

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<v Speaker 1>about would aptly called ed Wood, starring Johnny Depp. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Wise, look no further. I'm your man. I worked fast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a deal. I write and direct and I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>I just did a play in Hollywood, and Victor Crowley

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<v Speaker 1>himself praised its realism. And on the Internet you'll find

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<v Speaker 1>legions of Wood fans dedicated to talking about his work

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<v Speaker 1>or collecting Edward. I myself find his work inspirational because

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<v Speaker 1>he did so much with so little. He had so

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<v Speaker 1>many things against him, but he was able to create

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<v Speaker 1>films that tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>people saw in their initial release, not even counting the

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<v Speaker 1>revival of them later. So he's a figure whose work entertains,

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<v Speaker 1>who's worked, his thought provoked in and who inspires people

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<v Speaker 1>to create today. What more could you ask for for

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<v Speaker 1>a legacy? My name is Bill Shoot, poet and professor

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<v Speaker 1>of English at San Antonio College, and I wrote the

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<v Speaker 1>introduction to the new book by Edward Jr. When the

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<v Speaker 1>topic is sex. A five hundred forty five page collection

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<v Speaker 1>of Woods non fiction articles for nineteen seventies adult magazines

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<v Speaker 1>published by Bear Manner Media. As you can tell Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Adores Edwood. I discovered edwoods work in the late sixties

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<v Speaker 1>or early nineteen seventies as a child, watching low budget

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<v Speaker 1>films and horror films on UHF television and independent TV stations.

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<v Speaker 1>The films I saw on television prior to any Edward

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<v Speaker 1>revival were, of course, Bride of the Monster and Plan

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<v Speaker 1>nine from Outer Space, and I certainly knew that those

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<v Speaker 1>were unique works. I probably saw them at least a

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<v Speaker 1>half dozen times on television, So when Edwards started getting

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<v Speaker 1>attention in the late seventies, I was very excited to

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<v Speaker 1>see more of his films and to learn more about him.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill sites those two films, Bright of the Monster and

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<v Speaker 1>Plan nine from Outer Space as his favorites by Edwood.

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<v Speaker 1>In Plan Nine, there was just something special, almost dream

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<v Speaker 1>like about that film. It puts you almost in an

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<v Speaker 1>alternate state of consciousness. People turning south in the freeway

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<v Speaker 1>were startled when they saw three flying saucers high over

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood Boulevard. Bride of the Monster was a more conventional

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<v Speaker 1>film than Plan nine from Outer Space, but that had

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<v Speaker 1>some amazing sequences in it. I Haven't No Home like

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<v Speaker 1>Bella Legosie's soliloquity where he talks about I have no Home.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that moved me to tears as a child

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<v Speaker 1>when I saw that on television living like Animal Jungle,

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<v Speaker 1>that I will show the world that I can beat fasta. So,

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<v Speaker 1>just from being introduced to those films, I knew Edward D.

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<v Speaker 1>Wood Jr. Was someone I wanted to see more of

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<v Speaker 1>and no more about. Those are glowing reviews you might

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<v Speaker 1>not expect for someone commonly regarded as the worst director

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<v Speaker 1>of all time. So what's going on here? Who is

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<v Speaker 1>Edward really? And how did the director of low budget

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<v Speaker 1>sci fi films from the nineteen fifties become such a

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<v Speaker 1>cult phenomenon. Well, let's start by learning a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about what's background. Well, he was from Poughkeepsie, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>which is upstate. After serving in the Marine Corps in

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two, he went to Hollywood, as so many

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<v Speaker 1>people did, and he had some background in drama. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>written to play Casual Company. Do you believe in ghosts? Tommy?

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<v Speaker 1>That's just kiddie spook stories. Once You're dead, stayed dead.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know Bill on that battlefield today, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>this woman and dressed in white floating above the dunes.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe it was just fatigue, or maybe it's the

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<v Speaker 1>indignities of war, or maybe it's something else. He went

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<v Speaker 1>to Hollywood and did sort of day work around the studios,

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<v Speaker 1>and he started a production company in nineteen forty seven

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<v Speaker 1>or nine with a man named Crawford John Thomas. They

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<v Speaker 1>made a short silent called Crossroads of Laredo, which has survived,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks very much like a low budget sound

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<v Speaker 1>western of the early thirties or silent from the late twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>Wood grew up on that kind of thing, and he

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<v Speaker 1>used a lot of supporting players who had been in

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<v Speaker 1>little budget independent westerns in his films. Throughout his career,

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<v Speaker 1>he also made some commercials which are rather novel. He

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<v Speaker 1>and Crawford Thomas came up with an idea for doing

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<v Speaker 1>little dramatic commercials that did not actually have the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the sponsor. Just one thing before you shoot, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>bury me with my boots on okay tech, Say what

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<v Speaker 1>do you get some boots? Mighty fine looking Footwell, why

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<v Speaker 1>I got these at the bus shoe store in town

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<v Speaker 1>and had a mighty fair price through Well, bar gone

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<v Speaker 1>about putting me down to that shoe store right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be like an ad for jewelry, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would be about a diamond or whatever, and the local

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<v Speaker 1>sponsor would cut in their name to this, and now

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<v Speaker 1>we would sail away. Then we will be the only

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<v Speaker 1>ones to know where that fine turns your chest of

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<v Speaker 1>jewelry is buried. One day we'll come back and dig

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<v Speaker 1>it up and live like Queen Rye passing Kitty. That

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<v Speaker 1>test is checked full of the most beautiful jewelry in

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<v Speaker 1>all the world. Sure hope that story never runs out

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<v Speaker 1>of that fine stuck And he made some other short films,

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<v Speaker 1>and he made some pilots for television, things that were

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<v Speaker 1>aired locally. Industrial film work, the usual things that someone

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<v Speaker 1>does as they're working their way into the lower wrong

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<v Speaker 1>of independent film and genre filmmaking. Tegot the old timer,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get a doctor, I Am for me to. Edward

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<v Speaker 1>wrote and co wrote some westerns during this period for Again,

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<v Speaker 1>an independent low budget film Cowboy, by the name of

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Carpenter, and Carpenter later appeared in Edward Films. They

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<v Speaker 1>had a long relationship. No Timer, I'm not writing. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to stay here and find out what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>at the Double D ranch. Around this time, Edwood met

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<v Speaker 1>Bella Legosi, known best for his iconic role as Dracula

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<v Speaker 1>in the film of the same name. I Am the

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<v Speaker 1>document Listen to Them Children Off the Night what Music named.

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<v Speaker 1>Legosi was one of Wood's childhood heroes, so Wood befriended

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<v Speaker 1>him and asked Legosi to star in one of his movies.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, Legosi was older and mostly out of work,

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<v Speaker 1>so he agreed, and with Legosi on board, Edward was

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<v Speaker 1>able to secure funding for his first feature film in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty three, Glenn or Glenda Man's Constant Growthing of

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<v Speaker 1>Things Unknown, drawing from the endless reaches of time brings

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<v Speaker 1>to light many startling things. His first film, Glenn or Glenda,

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<v Speaker 1>made for the producer George Weiss. Weiss had previously released

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<v Speaker 1>a film called Test two Babies that he had produced

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<v Speaker 1>the Doctor Wright. Has there been much work done in

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<v Speaker 1>this artificial examination field? I mean, is it just to

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<v Speaker 1>be a radical thing or has it been done before?

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<v Speaker 1>A tremendous amount of work has been done an artificial exsemination.

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<v Speaker 1>Mrs Bennett, I'll admit it. Up to the past few years,

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<v Speaker 1>a great majority of it has been done with livestock.

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<v Speaker 1>And in a sense, glennar Glenda was mining the same

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<v Speaker 1>vein as that. A kind of salacious, exploitative title. And

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<v Speaker 1>glennar Glenda was originally conceived as a film about Christine Jorgensen,

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<v Speaker 1>who had had a sex change operation and was in

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<v Speaker 1>the news at the time. She did not care to

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<v Speaker 1>work with George Weiss on a film, so Edwood and

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<v Speaker 1>Weiss came up with the concept of dealing with a

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<v Speaker 1>cross dressing in individual. He dares to enter the street

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<v Speaker 1>dressed in the clothes he so much desires to wear.

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn is engaged to be married to Barbara. Glenn's problem

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<v Speaker 1>is a deep one, but he must tell her soon.

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<v Speaker 1>She's begun to notice things. And of course ed Wood

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<v Speaker 1>was a person who dressed in women's clothing in his

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<v Speaker 1>own life. Anyone who has seen the Tim Burton film

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<v Speaker 1>ed Wood is likely familiar with this fact. I like

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<v Speaker 1>to dress in women's clothing your fruit, No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I love women. Wearing their clothes makes me feel closer

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<v Speaker 1>to them. No, I'm all man. I even fought in

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<v Speaker 1>w W two. Of course, I was wearing women's undergarments

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<v Speaker 1>under my uniform. One of Edward's most interesting quirks was

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<v Speaker 1>his subversive and public desire to wear women's clothing what

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<v Speaker 1>today we might call drag. Back then, they might have

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<v Speaker 1>used the outdated and somewhat derogatory term transvestite. Nature makes mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>It's proven every day. This person is a transvestite, a

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<v Speaker 1>man who is more comfortable wearing girls clothes. The term

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<v Speaker 1>transvestite is the name given by medical science to those

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<v Speaker 1>persons who wear the clothing of the opposite sex. Many

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<v Speaker 1>a transvestite actually wishes to be the opposite sex. The

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<v Speaker 1>title of this can only be labeled behind locked doors.

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<v Speaker 1>Give this man satin undis, a dress, a sweater and

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<v Speaker 1>a skirt, or even the lounging outfit he has on,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's the happiest individual in the world. He can

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<v Speaker 1>work better, think better, he can play better, and he

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<v Speaker 1>can do more of a credit to his community and

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<v Speaker 1>his government because he is happy. So he basically wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a film that dealt with that, but at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time dealt with the sex change element. Because of Christine

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan's a lot of people who see Glenn or Glenn

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<v Speaker 1>to feel that it's kind of schizophrenic in this sense

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<v Speaker 1>that cross dressing and sex change are kind of not

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing at all. But in a way, the

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<v Speaker 1>film really explores gender identity and gender fluidity, which of

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<v Speaker 1>course can't be narrowed down to a couple of simple

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<v Speaker 1>terms or a couple of simple categories. But glennar Glendo

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<v Speaker 1>was his first feature film as a director, and my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>if he never made anything else, he would still be

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<v Speaker 1>remembered well, just for that film. In the ed Wood fandom,

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<v Speaker 1>there are some interesting theories as to where Ed's cross

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<v Speaker 1>dressing originated. So supposedly Ed's mom wanted a girl, and

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<v Speaker 1>as a young kid dressed Ed in girl's clothing. Others

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<v Speaker 1>say that one of his favorite things as a young

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<v Speaker 1>child was a soft fur sweater. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it was an Angora sweater, something soft and furry, that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of at that pattern for that fetish for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of his life, for his fetish Friendora, But that

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<v Speaker 1>was a part of him. My name is Bob Blackburn.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a friend of Edwards widow Cathy Wood, and

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<v Speaker 1>technically I am one of her airs, which makes me

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<v Speaker 1>one of Edwood's heirs. Bob has a ton of insight

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<v Speaker 1>into the personal lives of Ed and Cathy would He

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<v Speaker 1>says that before Kathy, Ed had a girlfriend named to

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<v Speaker 1>Lauras Fuller, who actually started Glenna Glenda. Those fingernails have

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<v Speaker 1>got to go, you know, I didn't realize there as

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<v Speaker 1>long as they are. My goodness, they're almost as long

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<v Speaker 1>as mine, maybe even prettier. We'll have to paint them

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<v Speaker 1>sometime just for the fun of it. Will trim them,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. The two of them fell in love

0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and they moved in together, and she actually had a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of kids from a previous marriage, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a messy situation, kind of up until Doris

0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.840
<v Speaker 1>found out that Ed was wearing her Anglora sweaters. She

0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't know if that might be gay, might be a pervert.

0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, in her mind he was a pervert. Therefore

0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.520
<v Speaker 1>she just she kicked him out. But then Wood met

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy O'Hara. The night that they actually met and got together,

0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.160
<v Speaker 1>she went home with him to his apartment because did

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<v Speaker 1>the old you know, hey, you want to see my

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<v Speaker 1>scrap books, And he really did have scrap books of

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<v Speaker 1>his films and stuff like that. And she went in

0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.200
<v Speaker 1>to use his bathroom and she noticed there was like

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<v Speaker 1>women's lingerie hanging off the show art pole, and so

0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, she thought, oh god, he's got a girlfriend.

0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.960
<v Speaker 1>So she comes out and she says, hey, I do

0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you have a girlfriend? You know, I kind of don't

0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.200
<v Speaker 1>want to get too far along here if I'm gonna

0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.560
<v Speaker 1>get in somebody's way. So Ed confided the first night

0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.560
<v Speaker 1>to Kathy, the first night that they actually met, that

0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.720
<v Speaker 1>he liked to sometimes wear a women's clothing. Do you

0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.560
<v Speaker 1>if you have a problem with it, well, you know,

0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.719
<v Speaker 1>here's your chance to walk out the door and whatever.

0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.520
<v Speaker 1>And she thought about it, and here's a woman from

0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:10.040
<v Speaker 1>provincial Canada, Vancouver. She'd been a corporate secretary, has seen

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of the world if you can call

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<v Speaker 1>Canada and Toronto, New York and then l a a

0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.639
<v Speaker 1>little bit of the world. And she accepted it, and

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<v Speaker 1>she accepted it for the rest of their time together.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't maybe always happy with it, because he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of flaunted it from time to time. In the nineteen fifties,

0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.240
<v Speaker 1>glennar Glenda raised a lot of questions about Ed's sexuality.

0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I asked Bob for his take on the matter and

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<v Speaker 1>to clear it up for us. He was not gay,

0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.480
<v Speaker 1>he was not trans. And it's kind of interesting the

0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.040
<v Speaker 1>gay community kind of has him as a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>an icon. So many of his friends, Paul Marco, Criswell,

0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.560
<v Speaker 1>other people, and his circle of friends were gay. Because

0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:58.040
<v Speaker 1>he himself was such an outsider, he attracted outsiders who

0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.960
<v Speaker 1>knew that he would be a steadfast friend, and he

0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.320
<v Speaker 1>had his alter ego named Shirley. Ed wasn't averse to

0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.879
<v Speaker 1>going out in public as shortly. Cathy told me stories

0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.800
<v Speaker 1>that they would go to Hollywood parties where there would

0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.800
<v Speaker 1>be some stars all dressed in dragon they'd be talking

0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:19.440
<v Speaker 1>about their big, nice long gloves and their first soles,

0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.520
<v Speaker 1>and you know, the him and their stockings and whatnot. So,

0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Eddie was really a pioneer, especially because in

0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the fifties in early sixties you could get arrested for

0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.520
<v Speaker 1>that here in California, in Los Angeles. But by the

0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.760
<v Speaker 1>mid late sixties it became legal. And he mentions that

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<v Speaker 1>in some of these articles about transvestives, and and he'll say, well,

0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.879
<v Speaker 1>now that California has legalized it, you'll see a lot

0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.119
<v Speaker 1>more men being dressed as women walking parading around the

0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:53.399
<v Speaker 1>streets of Hollywood, which is what he did. According to

0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Bill Shoot, that struggle for acceptance is explored in a

0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:02.920
<v Speaker 1>surprisingly well and nuanced way in Under Glenda. One thing

0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:07.560
<v Speaker 1>that makes glennar Glenda quite different from the sex exploitation

0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.600
<v Speaker 1>films of the late forties and nineteen fifties is that

0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.159
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't have much of a slee's factor to it,

0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and the empathy that it has for the subject is unique.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, to have the director himself play the lead

0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.399
<v Speaker 1>character and do a good portion of the film and

0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:37.320
<v Speaker 1>drag himself is an amazing accomplishment. Forty three. I was

0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:43.879
<v Speaker 1>put in jail recently. Why because I, a man, was

0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.600
<v Speaker 1>caught on the street wearing women's clothing. This was my

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:52.640
<v Speaker 1>fourth arrest for the same act. In life, I must

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.760
<v Speaker 1>continue wearing them. Therefore, it would only be a matter

0:20:55.840 --> 0:21:00.320
<v Speaker 1>of time until my next rest. This is the only

0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:05.840
<v Speaker 1>way let my body rest in death forever, in the

0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:22.000
<v Speaker 1>things I cannot wear in life. Why are you taking

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.400
<v Speaker 1>that gun? Why? I might be walking down a dark

0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.200
<v Speaker 1>street and then robber might jump at me. I want

0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.280
<v Speaker 1>to be protected. I just paid a thousand dollars bail

0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.400
<v Speaker 1>because you carried one of those things tonight were sisters.

0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I was very sisterly on it. You know that gun

0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:43.800
<v Speaker 1>is jail baiting. Edward's next feature film, Jail Bait, was

0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.719
<v Speaker 1>a little different. Who was about a young man who

0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:50.280
<v Speaker 1>gets involved with a dangerous criminal, resulting in a robbery

0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.440
<v Speaker 1>gone horribly wrong. I thank you thinking get away with it.

0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Let us worry about that, but come through tonight man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be on. Most of edwoods films are the ed

0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Wood attempt to work in an existing genre, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course this would be the crime film. It's certainly a

0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:25.560
<v Speaker 1>novel film. The ending of it is unexpected. It's a

0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:31.040
<v Speaker 1>strange film in that the soundtrack, the kind of flamenco

0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:36.760
<v Speaker 1>guitar and keyboard soundtrack, is kind of off putting. And

0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.760
<v Speaker 1>also so much of the film is murky and dark

0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.640
<v Speaker 1>and either shooting at night or looking like it's shot

0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.159
<v Speaker 1>at night, that it creates a kind of dream like

0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:51.120
<v Speaker 1>fuel to it. And it's a unique product. I've probably

0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:54.560
<v Speaker 1>watched it fifteen or twenty times over the years, and

0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I always find it fascinating. Had I seen that on

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<v Speaker 1>a double bill and four or fifty five I would

0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:07.960
<v Speaker 1>have thought it was a satisfying and different kind of experience.

0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it definitely succeeded. And while it has a

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of the tropes we associate with ed Wood, on

0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:20.680
<v Speaker 1>its own it's an interesting, low budget crime film and

0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:24.879
<v Speaker 1>it works on that level. Basically, you're as finished as

0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.760
<v Speaker 1>a kid is. I wasn't in on your job. I'm

0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:29.720
<v Speaker 1>not in trouble. Why should I used to go on

0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:33.560
<v Speaker 1>and take what's left? What is left has been with

0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:38.680
<v Speaker 1>a gun, has been, baby, I've only just begun. I

0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:40.359
<v Speaker 1>didn't set you up in all this luxury just to

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:42.600
<v Speaker 1>have your walk out on me. I pulled you out

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 1>of that main street dive and made something out of you. No,

0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.920
<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna walk out on me. Try it nice

0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:51.119
<v Speaker 1>where you'll never walk out on it. And again, so

0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.800
<v Speaker 1>if they do pick me up, it's only a robbery rap.

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't kill that cop. Nobody will know about the

0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:01.240
<v Speaker 1>kid there. Next up was one of bill favorites, Bright

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<v Speaker 1>of the Monster. What are you doing to me? We

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:14.000
<v Speaker 1>would assumed as speak of the giant straight a waity

0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 1>men like all the others did. That was a film

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:29.120
<v Speaker 1>that was shown a lot on television when I was Young.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a classic independent, low budget horror film. I think

0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:39.320
<v Speaker 1>it's very much rooted in the Bella Legosi Monogram films

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<v Speaker 1>of the early forties, and I'm sure Edwood loved those

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 1>films because it's very much like them, and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the roles that Legozi played in those films. They were

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<v Speaker 1>like a step above what Edwood was making in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of budget, but they were still very low budget quickie films.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really happy that he had the opportunity to do

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>a starring vehicle for Bella Legosi where he could be

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 1>at his best. I am I'm not the Eric ornav

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:18.920
<v Speaker 1>You had a severe How did I get here? Oh

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:24.160
<v Speaker 1>that's not important for the moment. What you need now

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 1>is rest rest. He was clearly a friend and supporter

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:35.880
<v Speaker 1>and fan of Bella Lagosi, and I'm sure it made

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 1>would extremely happy to give him a vehicle where he

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.880
<v Speaker 1>could do his thing. If you look at the trailers

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<v Speaker 1>for that film, whoever wrote the copy refers to Legosi

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 1>as the screens master of the Weird, so he knew

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 1>what a gift he had with Bella Legosi. He created

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 1>a great low budget laboratory and of course all you

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 1>need is, the flashing lights and some beaker's. It was

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:12.200
<v Speaker 1>a classic mad doctor's laboratory. And of course you had

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:22.160
<v Speaker 1>the amazing Toward Johnson. Toward Johnson was a Swedish wrestler

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and actor who would discovered and befriended. At six ft

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:30.360
<v Speaker 1>three and over four hundred pounds, Johnson's hulking figure made

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:37.879
<v Speaker 1>him perfect for the monster rules in Woods movies. So

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 1>you had a monster in it, you had a mad

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 1>doctor in it, you had murky lightning, flashing, and all

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the kind of set pieces that you would need for

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:53.600
<v Speaker 1>a horror film. Now it had some quirky elements to it.

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>It also had the earnestness that you see in some

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 1>of the Edward films where he had a message, he

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:09.440
<v Speaker 1>managed to shoehorn in some of his philosophical gropings into

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.640
<v Speaker 1>the dialogue and into the themes, and he certainly did

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 1>that with Pride of the Monster. Twenty years ago, I

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 1>was banned from my homeland, parted from my wife and son,

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 1>never to see them again. Why Because I suggested to

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>use the atom elements for producing super bees, beings of

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 1>unthinkable strength and size. I was classed as a madman,

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a charlatan outlawed in the world of science, which previously

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 1>honored me as a genius. Now Here in this fars

0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>shaken jungle, hell, I have proven that I are right.

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 1>The following year would begin production on what would become

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>his magnum opus, Plan nine from Outer Space, originally titled

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Grave Robbers from Outer Space? My Friend, Can your Heart

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 1>stand The Shocking Facts about Gray Robbers from Outer Space?

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.439
<v Speaker 1>He had plans to include his friend and frequent collaborator,

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Bella Legosi, but Legosi passed away before primary production began. However,

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Edward was able to shoot a few scenes with Legosi

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>before he died. The home they had so long shared

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>together became a tomb, a sweet memory of her joyous living.

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>This guy to which she had once looked was now

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 1>only a covering for her dead body. It grew out

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of wood having footage of Bella Legosi that he had

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>shot and feeling he could make a film around that.

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 1>He sometimes had existing footage that he would hope later

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>to build a film around. There was a project called

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Hellborn that never came to fruition, and some of the

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>footage that was kind of like a j D Juvenile

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>delinquent thing. Some of That footage was used in other

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Wood films from later years, and other filmmakers have done that.

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Fred Ole and Ray shot footage of John Carradine. I've

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 1>been waiting for you. I came as soon as I heard,

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, exactly as instructed, not knowing exactly what he

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>was going to use it in, but because he had

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to do it, he had a creative mind

0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 1>can do something like that. God bless them. Bill says

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 1>that Edwards the use of recycled material was central to

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 1>his style. I was watching an Edward documentary and Vampira,

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>who certainly knew Edwood well, described his work as decoupage

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>in the sense that he had pieces that interested him,

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and he would assemble those chunks and just sort of

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>put a veneer over it to united he thought in

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 1>terms of individual set pieces, not so much in terms

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 1>of the overall work. That cardboard headstone tipped over this

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>graveyard is obviously phony. Nobody will ever notice that filmmaking

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>is not about the tiny details, It's about the big picture.

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I was just reading Wood's book, Hollywood Rat Race, and

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>in that he says that he generally did not have

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>endings to his films. When he started them, and he

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>just kind of saw what would happen. Usually for budgetary reasons.

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:07.959
<v Speaker 1>Wood was also well known for padding out his movies

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>with cheaply acquired stock footage. This is fantastic. What are

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>you gonna do with it? Probably follow it away. I'll

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 1>never see it again. It's such a place. Why if

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I had half the chance, I could make an entire

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>movie using the stock footage. This is especially true in

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>early movies like Glennar Glenda, where you might see the

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>same shot of highway traffic multiple times. The world is

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>a strange place to live in, all those cards, all

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 1>going someplace, all carrying humans which are carrying out their lives.

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>The patchwork film has a long history in low budget

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>and exploitation films, going back to the silent and early

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>sound era, where a film would be caught up and

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>re contextualized and sold over again. So of course that's

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:02.479
<v Speaker 1>an important aspect of the Wood style. One other thing

0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>you might notice about woods films is that he uses

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 1>a rotating cast of friends and other trusted actors, almost

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>like a Wood verse. Some were famous, like Bella Legosi

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>or Vampire Round, others were just friends. He got some

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 1>of his regular crew together along with colorful figures like

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>John Bunny Breckon Ridge. I have need of your other

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>ships elsewhere. Even though you have risen three of the

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Earth did the plan is far from successful, and you

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Eros has proven an operational success the for more time

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 1>energy ships and your countrymen maybe spent on it. And

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Paul Marco, did you do that thing? Did you get it?

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Wait at it? Well, it didn't fall like fired everyple

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>that I had Lyle Talbot. Of course you realize, Mrs Gregor,

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 1>that if your brother fails to show up for trial,

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you will forfeit the bail money inspector does no criminal Well,

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 1>that will be established later. He was carrying a gun.

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 1>There are much worse crimes. Carrying a gun can be

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>a dangerous business and of course unique people like Vampira.

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>What I need is a vampire cocktail to settle by.

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>It will not only settle them, it will petrify toward

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Johnson finding a mess like this? How to make anyone? Try?

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Have one other boys, technical guy and a girl. Back

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 1>to Tom. You take shots, okay, Inspector, what are you

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 1>going to do? Look around? Pretty dark out there once

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>you get beyond the range of those lights. You won't

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>be able to see your hand front of your pain.

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I will get one of the lash light from the

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>patrol car. Be careful, played, I'm a big boy, not Johnny.

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>So you have a mix of industry professionals mixed with

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>non professionals, mixed with people who were starting out in

0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>the industry. Oh look, tennant. Maybe this doesn't mean my

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>but Jamie Meat found a great that looks like it's

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 1>been busted into what where? What? What? Come on? Man?

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Odd with it? We haven't got all dataway? Just over

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>there beyond the crip, all right, show us away. So

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:17.839
<v Speaker 1>you get a lot of people who are interesting personalities,

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 1>who may not be professional actors, and who may basically

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>bring their unique persona. But many directors, Fellini among them,

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>worked in that way and liked a good face or

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:36.720
<v Speaker 1>a good presence and didn't worry about the person's ability

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to perform Hamlet. That's something that Edward brought to his films.

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Family friend Bob Blackburn says Wood was less focused on

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.719
<v Speaker 1>who was right for the part and more focused on

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>having a family of filmmaking friends. I don't think he

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 1>was looking to get anything from these people besides their friendship.

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, if they wanted to act in one his movies,

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>or they want to go out and have a drink,

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 1>totally cool. You know. I don't think he was going, oh,

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 1>there's vampire writing, you know, I want her to be

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.719
<v Speaker 1>in my film. I don't think that came about that way.

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Ed loved hire. These older actors had had a name

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Kenny Duncan, who was one of his favorite Western guys,

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 1>or Tom Osborne, or some of these other people who

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Ed knew and who were I don't want to say

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>they were down on their luck, but they were in

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 1>between jobs, will put it that way. And if Ed

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 1>could offer them a couple hundred bucks for one day's

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 1>work or a couple of days work, sure, why not?

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>So he would go back to those people. Plan nine

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.239
<v Speaker 1>was like a who's who of Wood's best friends and

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>closest collaborators. According to Bill Shoot, It's also where he

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 1>took his wacky ideas and went in full force. You

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 1>had the kitchen sink surrealism of Ed Wood really at

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 1>full killed. I want to ask you about your strange

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>experience the other night when you saw the flying stater.

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.800
<v Speaker 1>After that the police brought me home. I hope I

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>never see such a side again after you were forced

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>to the ground. But that blast of wind, was it

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>a hot or cold blast? It's kind of hard to explain.

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't hot, wasn't cool, Just to terrific force. We

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 1>couldn't get off the ground. Who I blinded me so badly.

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see a thing. We could only feel the

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 1>pressure of the wind until it was gone. When the

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 1>glare left us, we could see a glowing ball disappearing

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>off in the distance, which way towards the cemetery. The

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>other most obvious characteristics of woods films are the low

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 1>budget and the technical areas, and this becomes the most

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 1>contentious element of woods work. I really truly love parts

0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 1>of his movies, I don't love the overall experiences of

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 1>watching them. My name is Katherine cold Iron and I'm

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the author of a monograph on Plan nine from Outer Space.

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Catherine's book looks at the numerous glaring technical problems and

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Plan nine, as well as explores why we enjoy watching

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:18.240
<v Speaker 1>quote bad movies. I asked her how she sees Edward

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>as a filmmaker. I think of him as an auteur

0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>because he's one of those guys who has to right direct,

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:32.800
<v Speaker 1>produce everything himself. What quality of art here he is

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>is much more mysterious, and I think he's proof that

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>autiers exist at all levels of quality in the cinema.

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Where he is in terms of bad cinema is a

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.320
<v Speaker 1>little bit more difficult to estimate, I think, but he's

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I would say, the most famous bad film aut here,

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 1>probably in wider culture. I also ask Catherine what she

0:37:56.160 --> 0:38:00.760
<v Speaker 1>sees as edwards shortcomings. Edward doesn't know how to block

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>at all, and by that I mean he'll sort of

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:09.280
<v Speaker 1>have characters coming onto the screen in the same direction

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:13.279
<v Speaker 1>and running in circles in the cemetery, and you don't

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 1>really get a sense of where anyone is in space.

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean he has some knowledge of how to do

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 1>time in film, in that the scene on the porch,

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 1>he knows that you show the passage of time with

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a push in by the camera and then a pull

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 1>out by the camera. He's aware of that, but he's

0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 1>not aware, for instance, that dissolving means that time passes

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 1>and cutting means that time doesn't pass. So there's a

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>scene where a car pulls up to the cemetery and

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:44.319
<v Speaker 1>it's clear to him that a certain period of time

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>has passed between the last shot and this one, But

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 1>because it's a cut instead of a dissolve, the audience

0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't realize it. But unless that bag of bones over

0:38:51.680 --> 0:39:02.320
<v Speaker 1>there can reassemble itself, it's all they're running out. His

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:07.399
<v Speaker 1>lighting is very harsh and uniform across the film. It's

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 1>always very bright, and that's actually, I think, better than

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 1>a filmmaker who just turns the lights down and you

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 1>can't see anything. But it also means that day for

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 1>night is a joke in Plan nine? Then how about

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>when the policeman arrived in daylight but now it's suddenly night?

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>What do you know? Haven't you heard of? Suspension of disbelief?

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 1>And the way that he draws connections between things leaves

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot to be desired. I think that you're supposed

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>to know that the aliens are involved with the cemetery

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:42.279
<v Speaker 1>business early in the film, but the film doesn't, like

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 1>very literally make those connections until way later. What plan

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>will you fallow? Now? Plan nine? It's been absolutely impossible

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>to work through these earth creatures. Their soul is too controlled.

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Plan nine, ah, yes, Plan nine. Deals of the resurrect

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 1>of the Dead long distance electrode shottened opinion of pituitary

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 1>glands of recent dead. So the plot is hard to

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 1>follow because there's so much irrelevant stuff that's sort of

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 1>jammed in there that the way that an American audience

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:17.840
<v Speaker 1>can normally follow a film is just not present in

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 1>plan mind from matter space, Catherine says that for her,

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>it's less to do with woods budgetary constraints. To me,

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 1>it's his his incapacity to see when he should have

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 1>done better. Like a movie maker like Roger Corman is

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>always doing the best with the resources he has, and

0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 1>the resources he has failed him. There is meat here

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:45.800
<v Speaker 1>killing go back. No. I came to find the truth alive,

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:50.479
<v Speaker 1>the old stories, the ancient law. We came to hunt,

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:54.279
<v Speaker 1>not to destroy the word. But when Roger Corman has

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 1>given a little bit of a budget, like he can

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>do amazing things, that's where something practical is inhibiting you

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 1>from making something good. Whereas with would you could give

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:06.320
<v Speaker 1>him all the money in the world and he wouldn't

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 1>be able to make a good movie. It's just not

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>in his wheelhouse. So what sets him apart for me

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 1>is not that he doesn't have the resources to do it,

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:19.240
<v Speaker 1>and not that he doesn't have the time and energy

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 1>to do it, but instead that he simply doesn't have

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the capacity to do it. Like if they flow the line,

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 1>like retake the scene now you can bring the total

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 1>destruction of the entire universe served by our sun. As

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 1>you might guess, Bill Shoot has a completely different opinion

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 1>on wood style, low budget filmmaking and independent filmmaking. You

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>have to bring to that when you watch it willing

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 1>suspension of disbelief. People don't have a problem with that

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>when they see a play. When you see a play,

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 1>you know that's a painted backdrop. You know that you're

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 1>not looking at a courtyard in New Orleans or Paris

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.760
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, and you can accept it. People

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.920
<v Speaker 1>who used to go to these kind of films, or

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 1>even people who watch low budget straight the video product today,

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 1>you just accept that this is not a hundred million

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 1>dollar film and that things represent the reality of the situation,

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and you don't have a problem with that. So I

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 1>don't really focus on the things that people make fun

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of in Edward films, because you see that in a

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:37.800
<v Speaker 1>wide variety of low budget product. When someone's making a

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 1>feature film for twenty dollars or less that comes with

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the territory. I think some of the people who pick

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 1>on that sort of thing haven't seen a lot of

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 1>low budget product and they don't know that that's what

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the marketplace was like, and that's what the typical product

0:42:56.760 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 1>was like. I don't think that's an excuse when you're

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.959
<v Speaker 1>making work, especially if you're making a movie, Why would

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:06.840
<v Speaker 1>you give it anything less than you're all. Something that

0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I realized when I was researching is that most genre

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 1>movies from the late fifties are crap, Like, most of

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 1>them are not good. It was just a genre that

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of didn't have good quality films until late sixties. Really, however,

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>there are movies from that period that stand out, like

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 1>The Incredible Shrinking Man. But even as I touched the dry,

0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:30.800
<v Speaker 1>flaking crumbs of nourishment, it was as if my body

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:36.399
<v Speaker 1>had ceased to exist. There was no hunger, no longer

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the terrible fear of shrinking. And then the fly. I

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 1>saw that funny looking fly again, which shall we go to?

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:51.839
<v Speaker 1>You saw where it is going to get it by

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the bench in the garden. Oh yes, they have bad

0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>quality ease sure, and the special effects are not great,

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.320
<v Speaker 1>and there are all these reasons why they're lesser, but

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the fact that movie makers could make those at the

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 1>time means that the vast majority of movie makers who

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.759
<v Speaker 1>made impermanent art to turn a quick bucke at the

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 1>box office and then be forgotten forever. It's just no excuse,

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Like you could still do a good job and you

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 1>chose not to. So perhaps whether one enjoys Wood is

0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 1>a matter of subjective preference and whether you find his

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 1>technical errors to be charming or distracting. But despite her criticisms,

0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Catherine also enjoys some things about woods movies. Oh, I

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 1>delight in how unstudied everything is. I love really really

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 1>bad performances in his movies, like the actress at the crypt.

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 1>First his wife, then he tragic tell me something. Why

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.240
<v Speaker 1>was his wife buried in the ground and he failed

0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:00.320
<v Speaker 1>in a crypt? Something to do with family today, a

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 1>superstition of some sort. Oh, she's just she can't even

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 1>deliver the word oh properly. Like I think that's super

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:11.960
<v Speaker 1>delightful and enjoyable. And the mechanism of enjoying bad movies

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:13.959
<v Speaker 1>is something that I've studied a lot, but I haven't

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 1>quite figured out and what that is when you look

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 1>at something that's incompetent and you laugh, but you're not

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 1>like actively making fun of it when you're enjoying it

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 1>because it's bad, but not thinking of it as something risible,

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>something to you know, tease. That is a mystery to me.

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 1>What I think it is is that bad movies are

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 1>endlessly surprising, because if you've seen any number of movies

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 1>in your lifetime, you will recognize what a three x

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 1>structure is without having to be told what it is.

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>You'll recognize that the peaks and valleys of mainstream commercial

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 1>film are very engineered that everything about them you know.

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:54.280
<v Speaker 1>From minute to minute, you know exactly what the experience

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:56.040
<v Speaker 1>is going to be, and you can broadly predict what's

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 1>going to happen in the movie. Even if it has

0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>twists and turns, you can still figure it out. Bad

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 1>movies just don't follow those rules, either because the filmmakers

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 1>never learned those rules or because they don't really care.

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:10.239
<v Speaker 1>The films are always gonna show you something that you've

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:13.200
<v Speaker 1>never seen before, and even if that thing is incompetence,

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 1>at least it's surprising. It's not the same thing over

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 1>and over again. Catherine is getting into a phenomenon largely

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 1>pioneered by ed Wood, that focuses on bad film as

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 1>its own form of entertainment. You've probably heard of films

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.799
<v Speaker 1>that are quote so bad they're good. The other most

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 1>notable example is Tommy Wise, Oh is the room right?

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Can I help you? Can? I have a dozen red roses? Please? Hi, Johnny,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know was you here? You go? That's me?

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<v Speaker 1>How much is keep the change? Hi? Dog? You you're

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite customer. Thanks a loud bye. I do not

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<v Speaker 1>believe it's a schadenfreude instinct. I think that there are

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<v Speaker 1>two distinct types of bad movie watchers. And there's the

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<v Speaker 1>type that has schadenfreuda and they want to laugh at movies,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's the type that is just genuinely delighted

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<v Speaker 1>by bad movies. I don't understand the mechanism, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of them, of people who love bad movies

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<v Speaker 1>because they're delightful. I think what keeps us coming back

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<v Speaker 1>to these movies again is just their ability to surprise

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<v Speaker 1>and to be nothing like the pattern. It's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit like, do you want to listen to pop singers

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<v Speaker 1>like Britney Spears and Taylor Swift or do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to Radiohead? And like, maybe there's not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of difference between them in terms of career structure,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a huge amount of difference in how they

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<v Speaker 1>pass in and out of your brain. It's much more

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to listen to Joanna Newsome than it is to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to Britney Spears. And there are moods for both.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there are nights when I want to watch

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<v Speaker 1>a really good movie, and then there are nights when

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<v Speaker 1>I want to watch a movie where I can turn

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<v Speaker 1>my brain off, so I'll watch a Marvel movie. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there are knights when I want to be challenged

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<v Speaker 1>and also laugh, and so I'll watch Neil Breen. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there are people who want very narrow

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<v Speaker 1>artistic experiences, and then there are people who want a

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<v Speaker 1>wide variety of them. And I think the latter category

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<v Speaker 1>is much more interested in that film. Here's Bill Shoot's opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a total opponent of the bad film phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a champion of low budget artists in many different genres.

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<v Speaker 1>If you take the small labels of the nineteen fifties

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<v Speaker 1>and sixties, there would be a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 1>were considered technical flaws as opposed to something recorded in

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<v Speaker 1>l a by the wrecking crew that was professional in

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<v Speaker 1>every way. But you had people with enormous creativity and

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<v Speaker 1>limited budgets trying to capture what was in their mind,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to capture the vision that they had with the

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<v Speaker 1>limited technical facilities that were available, in the limited funds

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<v Speaker 1>that were available to them. I've onto showings in Austin

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<v Speaker 1>of low budget horror films, indie films of all sorts,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's always some people in the audience who were

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<v Speaker 1>making fun of the filmmaker and pointing their fingers at

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of things you see in low budget films,

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<v Speaker 1>And to me, as I said earlier, on some level,

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<v Speaker 1>it's I don't think they've seen a lot of those

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<v Speaker 1>films to know that that is not uncommon. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>also a kind of elitism that I find kind of

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<v Speaker 1>offensive anyone who's worked in the arts as I have.

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<v Speaker 1>With limited money and limited technical facilities, you do what

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<v Speaker 1>you can to kind of fake an effect. I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up during the punk rock era and the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cut up xerox esthetic of punk growing out of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Warhole William Burrows, that sort of thing was also a

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<v Speaker 1>way of using very minimal budgets and kitchen sink abilities

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<v Speaker 1>to create something that was transcendent because you didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>access to the technology. So when I see a film

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<v Speaker 1>of that sort from an independent filmmaker, whether it be

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<v Speaker 1>Edwood or Bill Robaine or Larry Buchanan, I'm just amazed

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<v Speaker 1>at what they can do on such a low budget.

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<v Speaker 1>I just take my hat off to that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>inventiveness and creativity. As far as quote bad film creators go,

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine believes there's one positive quality that sets Edward apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Edwards sincerity is part of what makes his films fun

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<v Speaker 1>to watch instead of unfun to watch. For instance, the

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<v Speaker 1>output of the Asylum that they made, Sharknado, and like

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of movies like that. I know you're scared.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm scared too. They're sharks. They're scary. No one wants

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<v Speaker 1>to get eating. But I've been and I'm here to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you it takes a lot more than that to

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<v Speaker 1>bring a good man down. Those films are not as

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<v Speaker 1>much fun to watch for me because they're very cynical.

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<v Speaker 1>They think that they're laughing at themselves, but they're actually

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<v Speaker 1>not they're more making cynical trash. What's charming about Edwood

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<v Speaker 1>is that he has the love, but he has no skill.

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<v Speaker 1>He has the will to make a film, but he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the talent to make a film. That's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like watching little bitty kids play soccer trying to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of kick the ball around the field, but they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the capacity in their arms and legs to

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<v Speaker 1>have that kind of coordination. So watching them is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cute because they're trying really hard, but their bodies

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<v Speaker 1>are failing them, and Wood's talent fails him, and that's sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's sad a little bit, but also kind

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<v Speaker 1>of lovely to witness. So between Catherine and Bill, we

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<v Speaker 1>have two very different opinions on the matter. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we move on, I want to share one more approach.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's family friend Bob Blackburn. Again, I'm right down the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of this, to be honest with you. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a book, The Cinematic Misadventures of Ed Wood. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was where the guy took a very scholarly approach

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<v Speaker 1>to all Ed's films, and I went, WHOA, you're really

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<v Speaker 1>reading some stuff in there that I just don't see

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. But I appreciated the fact that somebody took

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<v Speaker 1>ed that seriously to actually write it. Now, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would assume that in some film schools Edward

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<v Speaker 1>is taught, maybe at U c l A Film School

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<v Speaker 1>or USC Film School. There's a class and so bad

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<v Speaker 1>it's good. I would hope it's so bad it's good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of shake my head at it. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see it. It didn't study film, he didn't go to

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<v Speaker 1>USC Film School. He didn't apprentice for a famous film director,

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<v Speaker 1>even though he may have worked at universally. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>in the prop department, you know. He was smitten with movies.

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<v Speaker 1>So his knowledge was from what he saw and from

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<v Speaker 1>people he met, people he talked to and trial and air.

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<v Speaker 1>If you see his very early things like cross Roads,

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<v Speaker 1>Avenger Crossroads or Laredo or any of the the TV things,

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<v Speaker 1>the cardboard, very short coffin, things of that nature, people

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<v Speaker 1>getting off a horse on the wrong side. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a technician at all. It's easy to laugh at the mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have to kind of understand why there are

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<v Speaker 1>the mistakes, you know, and again there's other people that

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<v Speaker 1>were learning how to make movies. Ads they were making them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's always going to be those kind of people,

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<v Speaker 1>for better or worse. Plan nine from Outer Space was

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<v Speaker 1>edwards boldest most artistic statement, but it was far from

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<v Speaker 1>the end of his career. Edward would go on to

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<v Speaker 1>make six more movies throughout the nineteen sixties, and he

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<v Speaker 1>also wrote dozens of novels, short stories, and other adult content.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Ephemeral, We're going to dig

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<v Speaker 1>into Ed's later work and tell the story of his

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<v Speaker 1>final years, and we'll talk about Woods cult revival, the

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<v Speaker 1>eventual Tim Burton biopic, and how he reached new heights

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<v Speaker 1>of fame after his death. This episode of Ephemeral was

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<v Speaker 1>written and produced by Trevor Young, with producers Max and

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Williams. Bill Shoot is a writer and professor of

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<v Speaker 1>English at San Antonio College. He also wrote the introduction

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<v Speaker 1>for the new book of posthumously released essays by Edwood

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<v Speaker 1>When the Topic Is Sex. Bob Blackbird is a family

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<v Speaker 1>friend of the Woods who edited and compiled the stories

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<v Speaker 1>for When the Topic Is Sex, which you can find

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<v Speaker 1>on Bare Manner Media's website or wherever books are sold.

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<v Speaker 1>And Catherine cole Dire is author of the book Plan

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<v Speaker 1>nine from Outer Space. See more of her work at

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<v Speaker 1>k cold Iron dot com. We'll be back in two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks with part two of our dive into ed Wood.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, find links to these and more on

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<v Speaker 1>our website, Ephemeral dot Show. And while you're there, check

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<v Speaker 1>out my conversation with Movie Crush host Chuck Bryant about

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<v Speaker 1>Tim burton biopic ed Wood. For more podcasts from I

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