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Speaker 1: I get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The who I'm Still Alive addition,

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Speaker 1: as the Bengals looked to bounce back from last week's

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Speaker 1: disappointing loss to the Jets and had proved a six

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Speaker 1: and three overall and three and oz in the AFC

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Speaker 1: North by beating the Cleveland Browns, coming up, Dave Lapham

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Speaker 1: joins me to discuss what went wrong last week and

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Speaker 1: answer the ask lap questions you submitted on Twitter. My

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Speaker 1: one on one player interview is with Jonah Williams, who

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Speaker 1: faces the challenge of trying to block NFL sack leader

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Speaker 1: Myles Garrett. On Sunday, I'll preview the game with one

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Speaker 1: of three quarterbacks who played for both the Bengals and

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Speaker 1: the Browns, Bruce Gradkowski, and I'll also tell you who

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Speaker 1: the other two quarterbacks were. And finally, it's our No

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Speaker 1: the Faux segment, as we discussed the four and four

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns with long time Cleveland's sportswriter Tony Grossie. The

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Speaker 1: since the Monday Night Football Manning Cast. Every Monday, I

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Speaker 1: spend my evening doing prep work on the Bengals upcoming opponent,

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Speaker 1: and the so called Manning Cast on ESPN two has

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Speaker 1: proven to be the perfect background entertainment. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: Night Football with Peyton and Eli, and it's an alternate

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Speaker 1: broadcast of the Monday Night football game. It's basically like

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Speaker 1: hanging out in their living room as the Manning brothers

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Speaker 1: and their guests watch the game. The football content is fine,

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Speaker 1: but the best part is listening to Peyton and e

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Speaker 1: Lie poke fun at each other. The guests this year

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Speaker 1: have included a bunch of quarterbacks, Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Drew Breese, Bred Farv and most recently, Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: I've got my fingers crossed that will get a Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow appearance sometime soon. Now let's get to my guest list,

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Speaker 1: beginning with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham Lap. Did the

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Speaker 1: Jets provide a blueprint for the best way to attack

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Speaker 1: the Bengals defense? I think that the Bengals can make

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Speaker 1: adjustments to what they did. Dan. They gave a lot

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Speaker 1: of space. You know, they retreated, and then when things

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Speaker 1: start to go badly, when you're retreating, your instinct is

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Speaker 1: to retreat more, you know, human nature instead of I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying flight instead of fight, but I mean it's

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Speaker 1: like the last thing you want to do is, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, this isn't working out. They're moving the ball.

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Speaker 1: So you exacerbate the problem by dropping more a defense

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Speaker 1: A coordinator who remained unnamed on this one, but he

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Speaker 1: hit a cornerback that was you know, got beat in

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Speaker 1: practice as training camp. So he kept giving space, giving space,

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Speaker 1: giving space. Defensive corners up, kicks him in the button,

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Speaker 1: you should be doing, and I think that's what ended

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Speaker 1: up happening in this football game. It was almost like

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Speaker 1: the human nature was the reverse of what you should

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Speaker 1: be doing. You know, your natural reaction was almost like

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Speaker 1: contrarian and because you know one thing, offensively, you want

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Speaker 1: to create space. Defensively, you want a shrink space, and

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Speaker 1: the Bengals defensively, we're helping them create space. And it

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Speaker 1: ended up kicking them in the butt and backfiring on them.

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Speaker 1: And then compound that with the fact that they didn't,

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Speaker 1: through eight games. But I thought that they stayed with

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Speaker 1: It was a seven point play, as it turned out,

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Speaker 1: you know, fifty three to forty seven, right right, No,

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Speaker 1: Let's establish something. I mean, I can see both ways.

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Speaker 1: seen particularly the way their first three downs went. Now

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Speaker 1: it was worth discussing all right. So far this year,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals have scored fifty eight points in the second quarter,

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Speaker 1: That's an average of three points a game. Now, part

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Speaker 1: There that's taken on a life of its own. So

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Speaker 1: even though they haven't scored in the first quarter every

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Speaker 1: scored first, probably more than them every in most games,

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Speaker 1: they've been able to bounce back. I mean they've been

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Speaker 1: I think it's a factor. I think it's a factor

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Speaker 1: for sure. Let's talk about the Browns. They're four and four.

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is playing with the left shoulder injury that

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Speaker 1: will eventually require surgery. Kareem Hunt is out right dackle

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Speaker 1: Jack Conklin is an excellent player. He's going to miss

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Speaker 1: this week's game. Now they've got Odell Beckham junior and

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Speaker 1: senior drama going on in Cleveland. How did the Browns

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Speaker 1: the keys to beating them? Yeah, I mean they're still

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Speaker 1: they're still a physical football team. You watch you watch

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Speaker 1: will respond after an abysmal performance last week. I think

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Speaker 1: they'll respond big time. I think that I think this

429
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Speaker 1: one is gonna be a cage match. I mean, I

430
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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be like MMA. It's it's gonna be

431
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Speaker 1: a very very physical football game. It's a division rivalry.

432
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,239
Speaker 1: Cleveland Cincinnati are always physical football games with what's at

433
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: stake now, and I mean the sports psychologists could have

434
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Speaker 1: a field day. Bengals have the big win in Baltimore

435
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: and they get full of themselves and they, you know,

436
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,160
Speaker 1: don't listen to everybody about the trap game deal. They

437
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: go down to go up to the Jets and lose

438
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: that football game, how are they going to respond? I mean,

439
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: they had more to lose than the Jets obviously in

440
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: that football game, and they'd lost it in the Jets

441
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: one to Cleveland coming off a brutally physically tough football game,

442
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers lose five in the division by five in

443
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: the division game, what's their mindset going to be? Like?

444
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: I think both of them are going to come into

445
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: this football game dan angry, upset, disappointed, wanting to make restitution.

446
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be really physical, particularly at

447
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: the onset. And then then what you have to do is,

448
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: all right, you get over that phase of it and

449
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: now you get into the snap by snap grind of

450
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Speaker 1: the game. But keep that intense and new level high.

451
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Speaker 1: And I think that's what we're going to see out

452
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Speaker 1: of the Bengals. We're not going to see that intensity

453
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: level sag like it's sag in New York. This question

454
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: comes from Willie, not Cunningham. Ken Hakima Dentagy be the

455
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Speaker 1: first guard off the bench once he's activated to the

456
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Speaker 1: fifty three manuster, assuming that happens. I want if that's

457
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: Big Williamerson asking that old line question, Big will it

458
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if But he has to be physically ready,

459
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: and thing that he's fighting, like we talked about before

460
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: right now, is not just getting ready physically for football.

461
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't had any contact so and he

462
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: hasn't taken all the reps at OTA's Mini Camps training

463
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Speaker 1: camp that all the other linemen took with Frank Pollock

464
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Speaker 1: and his new new technique's new footwork and all that thing.

465
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Speaker 1: So he's he's trying to catch up in a very

466
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Speaker 1: very short time for him of thousands of reps that

467
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Speaker 1: the other guys are taken. So it's not easy. And

468
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Speaker 1: he hasn't played a lot of football in the National

469
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Speaker 1: Football League, So you throw all that into the mix,

470
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Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know if you want to

471
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Speaker 1: rush it necessarily, because that could be kind of productive

472
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Speaker 1: and it could be a confidence buster in some way.

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Speaker 1: Shape or for him. But he's got talent, and if

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Speaker 1: it looks like he's ready to play, I'd see how

475
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: well he can play. I really would. I'd find out.

476
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: Another offensive line question comes from man, can you see

477
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Speaker 1: Trey Hill getting snaps at center? Potentially? But I think

478
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Speaker 1: I think the one thing that that Trey Hill has shown, unfortunately,

479
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: is when a problem happens, he kind of loses his mind.

480
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: You know, it happened to him, you know, in Baltimore,

481
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Speaker 1: and he only lasted a couple of snaps before Frank said,

482
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: all right, look this, you're gonna have to sit back

483
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Speaker 1: down and chill a little bit. And then he did,

484
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: and he came back. He played some lights, some snaps.

485
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Speaker 1: But the one thing you can't have happen is the

486
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Speaker 1: center who makes all the calls and everything that goes

487
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Speaker 1: along with it. Trey Hopkins does an unbelievable job, super

488
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Speaker 1: intelligent and doesn't never lose his you know, he's like

489
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: he's always got his he knows the responsibility, so he's

490
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Speaker 1: not gonna lose his mind. As such. Tray shown that

491
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Speaker 1: can happen to the young rookie, so that that would

492
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Speaker 1: be a concern of mine. That's somebody that I've I've

493
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Speaker 1: got play in the center position that kind of orchestrates,

494
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's movements based on his calls. He would

495
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: be a very clear minded, clearhead and all that sort

496
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Speaker 1: of thing. So physically, yeah, I think he could. Mentally,

497
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: maybe a little work to do there. The final two

498
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Speaker 1: questions come from Bengal super fan and podcaster Zim Zim's

499
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Speaker 1: a good dude. Here's the first question. With last week's

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Speaker 1: injury to Carmen and the uncertainty of hopkins knee, coupled

501
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Speaker 1: with the fact that the Bengals are likely to have

502
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Speaker 1: a couple of extra draft picks next year, how do

503
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Speaker 1: you justify not adding interior line help at the deadline? Well,

504
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: I think that Carmen's injury was not anywhere near as

505
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 1: bad as people thought, you know, at that point. And

506
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Speaker 1: I think that they're at this point in time trying

507
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Speaker 1: to develop a guy that they've added to the interior

508
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: line to improve it and to make it make it

509
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: a better unit inside. So I don't think they necessarily

510
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: want to give up on Carmen at this point in time. Now,

511
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: I know you're thinking because of injury, but again, the

512
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: injury is not as severe as as initially could have been.

513
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: So I think that's a that's a factor. And again, interior,

514
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: really good interior offensive lineman. People don't just give him up.

515
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean it's he's say, yeah, yeah, I want to

516
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: trade for an interior offensive linement. Well, I don't want

517
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: to give you mine. You can't give me enough for

518
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: what I think the value of my interior offensive lineman is.

519
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: I remember that, Uh, Mike McCormick divulged to me that

520
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Speaker 1: when I played center to finish out a season, I

521
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: think it was a nineteen eighty season. I think I

522
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: had to play Blair Bush Tours knee up and I

523
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: had to play the last six games at center. And

524
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Speaker 1: Mike McCormick was our line coach. And then he went

525
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: to fill Ladelphia, and uh, and he said that they

526
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: trying to work at trade to go to Philadelphia, and

527
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: the Bengals wanted a first or second undraft pick for

528
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: and obviously, you know, like eight years in the league

529
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Speaker 1: or whatever. Debtok, Mike goes, hey, I love you and everything,

530
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: but that that wasn't gonna happen. Those are the kind

531
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Speaker 1: of things though, the people like somebody's uh trash is

532
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: another person's treasure kind of thing, you know, in terms

533
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: of what the values are. So that's why a lot

534
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: of those deals don't come together, you know that quickly.

535
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: It's like, now, man, that's unrealistic. I mean, yeah, I

536
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: like the guy. I think he's a good player of it. Heck,

537
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: I don't want to leverage my you know, my franchises future.

538
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: So it's it's a lot easier than it sounds. And

539
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: that's why thirty two teams all to talk about the

540
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: trade deadline and what less than a handful of deals happened.

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Speaker 1: If I'm the Bengals back in the day, I would

542
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: have held out for Ricky Williams like package for day

543
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: of Lapham. I want your entire draft or I'm not

544
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: giving lap up all right, Second and final question from

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Speaker 1: Zim what position would Dan play? I assume he means

546
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: me in today's soft NFL. Well, the thing about Dan

547
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: Horde is he's sneaky athletic. You got to you got

548
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: to realize that he's very sneaky athletic. Plus, though nobody

549
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: is more intelligent than Dan Horde. Dan Horde could I

550
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: would I would have him somewhere on the field, you know,

551
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a green dot on his helmet wherever

552
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: he is because I want to communicate with him, because

553
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: I know what I communicate will be communicated to everybody

554
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: else precisely. And uh so I would put Dan Horde

555
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: in a position safety something like that where he has

556
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: to he has to direct traffic and uh and take

557
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: care take care of business. That way, I trust the

558
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: man's mind as well as his body. I appreciate that

559
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: very much, reiterating that that is in the soft NFL

560
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: because you don't want Dan Horde trying to hit anybody.

561
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: I can promise you that lap. Thank you kindly, pleasure

562
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: as alis my pleasure, Damn the man. Great questions from

563
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: zim Hu Day, who co hosts the Orange is the

564
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: New Black podcast with Ace Boogey. I look forward to

565
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: being their guest this week. Up next my one on

566
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Speaker 1: one visit with offensive lineman Jonah Williams, who faces the

567
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: challenge of trying to block Myles Garrett on Sunday, John,

568
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: I want to start with something three of your teammates

569
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: did after the loss to the Jets last week. Tyler Boyd,

570
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon and Jessee Bates chose to address the media

571
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Speaker 1: in Unison. What should we take from that? I mean,

572
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Speaker 1: I think that that says a lot about our team

573
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: and the connectedness that we're showing. And it's important that

574
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: when we win, we acknowledge that we want as a team,

575
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: and when we lose, we lose as a team. So

576
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: there's no pointing fingers. It's just accountability as a unit.

577
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: I thought after they had been embarrassed the week before

578
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: by the Patriots, the Jets played violently on both sides

579
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Speaker 1: of the ball last week. Did you notice a little

580
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: extra juice while you were trying to block those guys? Yeah,

581
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: they were playing hard, but it's the NFL. You know,

582
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: we expect everyone to play hard every week, so you know,

583
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: they post challenges and we just didn't do enough to win.

584
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: You did score thirty one points. That's the third straight

585
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: week you've topped thirty all on the road. What do

586
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: you think is clicking right now that maybe wasn't quite

587
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: there early in the year. I just think that we're

588
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: we've been together more, we've practiced together more, we've played

589
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: together more. So I think that we're really starting to

590
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: gel as a unit. And it's also the progression of

591
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: the offense. You know, schematically, teams are adjusting to something,

592
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: so we have to have good responses to that, and

593
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: I think we've been doing a good job, and you know,

594
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season, it's going to be

595
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: important that we continue to put up a lot of points.

596
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: We're visiting with Jonah Williams. A key play and last

597
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: week's game was the interception by the Jets with about

598
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: four and a half minutes to go. It's a screen

599
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: to Jamar Chase. The right side of the line goes

600
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: to the right faking a run. You and Quinton Spain

601
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: peel out to the left. You're gonna block for Jamar

602
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: and it looks like if Shack Lawson doesn't tip and

603
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: intercept the pass, that's going to be a huge game.

604
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: Is that the way it looked on tape? Yeah, I

605
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: mean I think that it. You know, the play call

606
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: made sense with that defense, and you know, if if

607
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: we executed just a little bit better, I think it

608
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: would would have been a big game or a big play,

609
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: and unfortunately it was, you know, it just didn't work

610
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: out that way. Sometimes the other guys make plays too.

611
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow has been sacked twenty times this year, but

612
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Speaker 1: ten came in the first two games. You've only given

613
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: up ten in the last six. What's been the key

614
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: to protecting him so well? If light well, I think

615
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean any sacks or too many sacks. So I

616
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: think it's been better, but there's a lot to there's

617
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: a lot to clean up. You know. It's it's similar

618
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: to what I said in terms of why the offense

619
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Speaker 1: is scoring. I think that you know, we're working together,

620
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: working together better as an OH line and as an

621
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Speaker 1: offense as a whole. Everyone's on the same page, and

622
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: you know Joe's making good decisions with the ball, and

623
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: you know we're just doing a better job of protecting.

624
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: So we've play a lot of good D lines coming

625
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: up the rest of the year, and it's going to

626
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: be important for us to, you know, player best game.

627
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: Every week. We're visiting the Jonah Williams because you were

628
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: selected three drafts ago. I'm not sure that people realize

629
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Speaker 1: how young you still are. You don't turn twenty four

630
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: for about two weeks. You're eleven months younger than Joe Burrow.

631
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're still early in your NFL

632
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: learning curve? I do. I don't look at that as

633
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: a disadvantage, though. I just think that, you know, I

634
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: have room to grow, and that's that's why I'm still here,

635
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, That's why I'm That's why I'm here at practice,

636
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: working every day, and it's it's just a continue to

637
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: get better and you know, hopefully have a long career

638
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: ahead of me. So you face the Browns this week,

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Speaker 1: and that means you will be matched up against the

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Speaker 1: NFL sack leader Miles Garrett. He's also tied for second

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Speaker 1: on the Browns and tackles so far this year, so

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Speaker 1: he's doing a great job against the run as well.

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Speaker 1: You faced him last year. What's the out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's a he's a phenomenal football player, and I think

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Speaker 1: that that's obvious to anyone who watches him. Um, you know,

646
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Speaker 1: he's he's quick, he's powerful, he has a good arsenal

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Speaker 1: of moves at his disposal. So it's it's on me

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Speaker 1: and on the rest of the line to use great

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Speaker 1: technique and you know, to just do what we can

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Speaker 1: to to control them and neutralize him. And I think

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Speaker 1: that that's gonna be one of the big keys of

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Speaker 1: the game. Watching their last game, I thought it was

653
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Speaker 1: striking how wide he lines up, he's almost even with

654
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: the slot receivers as opposed to write over you what

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Speaker 1: challenges does that present? I mean it gives him a

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Speaker 1: running started, kind of a full head of steam by

657
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Speaker 1: the time he actually gets to engage me. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: but it also opens up lanes in the run game.

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Speaker 1: And you know, so there's there's advantages and disadvantages to

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Speaker 1: everything in football. UM, so we just have to take

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Speaker 1: advantage of that. Um. It is a unique alignment. Last

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Speaker 1: week was disappointing, no question, but you are five and

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Speaker 1: three if the season ended today, he a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: Evaluate this team through eight games. I think that we've

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Speaker 1: shown a lot of really good stuff that makes me

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Speaker 1: excited and that you know, makes us believe that we

667
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Speaker 1: can be a playoff team. It's just a matter of execution,

668
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: because I think we saw this past week that you know,

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Speaker 1: no matter how talented we are, how you know, how

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Speaker 1: many good wins we have, any team can show up

671
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: and take it to us on the weekend. And so

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Speaker 1: I think that we know we have the ability to

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Speaker 1: be a really good team and to be a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: We just have to continue to prove that. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: for the rest of these games. Last question for Jonah

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Speaker 1: Williams the bias coming up after this game? Anything fun planned? Um,

677
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: just you know, recovering the body. Maybe it's some good

678
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Speaker 1: food and and hang out and relax a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I'm I'm having a hard time thinking about that

680
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Speaker 1: with these next four or five days in front of me,

681
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Speaker 1: you know, so I'll be excited about when it comes understandable.

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Speaker 1: Beat the Browns. First, enjoy the break. Second, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Best of lut this week. Thank you for having but

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Speaker 1: one it's worth. The Bengals offensive line is currently tied

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Speaker 1: for eighth in past blocking efficiency according to Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay is number one, Indianapolis is dead last. The

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Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast is presented by Ultimate Bengals, the free

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Speaker 1: an analyst for Pro Football Focus and for Sirius XM

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Speaker 1: NFL Radio. The perfect person to preview this week's game

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Speaker 1: between the Bengals and the Browns. Is one of only

696
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Speaker 1: three quarterbacks to play for both franchises, Bruce Gradkowski, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to name the other two at the end

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Speaker 1: of this inner view, so people have to stay tuned

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Speaker 1: until the very end. Bruce, Let's start with Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: He's a little bit more than one year into his

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Speaker 1: NFL career. What do you find extraordinary about what he's

702
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: been able to do so far? Well, thanks for having me, Dan,

703
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: and I just think Burrow what's so special and unique

704
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Speaker 1: about him is what he brings in that locker room

705
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Speaker 1: and just the leader he is, the mentality he has,

706
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Speaker 1: and of course he has all the ability on the field,

707
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Speaker 1: but I'll tell you when anytime I've been around him,

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Speaker 1: he makes me a believer. And I knew the Bengals

709
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: made some good pieces and acquisitions this offseason, but to

710
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Speaker 1: watch how they're planning so far this year, watch how

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00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: Joe Burrows playing, It's just really a compliment to him

712
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Speaker 1: in his leadership and his mentality of what is resonate

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Speaker 1: throughout that locker room. And that's what I have a

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Speaker 1: lot of respect for, is how he approaches the game,

715
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Speaker 1: his toughness, his mentality, and it's fun to watch. The

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Speaker 1: Bengals have top thirty points in each of their last

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Speaker 1: three games. The franchise record for consecutive games with thirty

718
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: plus is four, so theoretically they can tie that this

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Speaker 1: week against Cleveland. What stands out when you watch the

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Speaker 1: Bengals offense right now? You know the thing that's unique

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Speaker 1: and that I was kind of pulling up numbers from

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Speaker 1: our PF data Burrow verse man and man. Last year

723
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Speaker 1: his PF passing grade was seventy nine point three. In

724
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Speaker 1: this year, verse man a man, his passing grade is

725
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Speaker 1: ninety four point two. So I think Burrow's doing a

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Speaker 1: great job. But you also have to look at his

727
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Speaker 1: counterpart in Jamar Chase and what these two do well together.

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase on third down has two hundred and seventy

729
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Speaker 1: two yards. This was before last week, and you know,

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Speaker 1: second behind Justin Jefferson, and that just shows you know,

731
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Speaker 1: Burrows third down grade as well, how that got better

732
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Speaker 1: from last year to this year. And so just watching

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Speaker 1: how Burrow continues to get better. Last year they opened

734
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Speaker 1: up the offense, he was executing a ton of different

735
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Speaker 1: concepts and now this year he's one year more experienced

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Speaker 1: in it. They're giving him some flexibility at the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage. And when you have a quarterback that could

738
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Speaker 1: do those type of things, he's gonna put your offense

739
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Speaker 1: in a downhill play. Is Jamar even better as a

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00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: rookie than you thought he would be? You know, he

741
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Speaker 1: really is, especially the things we're hearing, you know, coming

742
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Speaker 1: out of Bengals camp about drop passes and stuff like that.

743
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Speaker 1: But then you know, it goes back to you know,

744
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: even quarterbacks when we studied these college guys or first

745
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: year in the NFL, we're talking about, oh they're inaccurate,

746
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: or or receiver dropping football, Oh he can't catch. Well,

747
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: there's so much on their plate as a young player,

748
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to learn an offense. You're trying to know

749
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Speaker 1: where to line up and what to do and get

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Speaker 1: used to the speed of game, to the speed of

751
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: the game. Then all of a sudden, the ball hits

752
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: you in the hands. Here, Oh, shoot, that's right, I

753
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: gotta catch it too, you know. So there's so much

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Speaker 1: going on, and so to watch Jamar Chase in his

755
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Speaker 1: progress so far from training camp till now, and what

756
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Speaker 1: he's doing is very special. And I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Against the Ravens, I was impressed with his yards after

758
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Speaker 1: the catch. I mean, this guy's this guy's tough and

759
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: physical and explosive. I didn't know he could get away

760
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: like that, and that's what was cool to see. And

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Speaker 1: I think the more Jamar Chase does it, the more

762
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Speaker 1: he's building his own confidence and be like, Wow, this

763
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Speaker 1: is the NFL. I can dominate here. And it's pretty

764
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: cool to see what he's doing. Already, we're talking to

765
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Speaker 1: former Bengals quarterback Bruce Gradkowski. Let's talk about the Browns.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people looked at Cleveland as a Super

767
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Speaker 1: Bowl contender going into the season. I'm sure many people

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00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: still do. But they're four and four so far. What

769
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Speaker 1: stands out about Cleveland so far this year? You know,

770
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Speaker 1: it's it's tough, you know, I know Mayfield going through

771
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Speaker 1: this shoulder injury. I had a shoulder injury similar college

772
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Speaker 1: that I had to play through times, and you know,

773
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: it's not easy, and I know it's his non throwing shorter,

774
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: but it's still something you're thinking about, something that kind

775
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: of makes you a little hesitant. But Mayfield has to

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00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: play cleaner football. And I think too when you look

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Speaker 1: at the Browns, you know their playmakers have to step up.

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Speaker 1: I know last week Jarvis Landry, you know, had to

779
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Speaker 1: fumble and to keep position. He dropped a pass another time.

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Speaker 1: And your leaders, your captains, that's when they have to

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00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: make plays. Because this division, the AFC North, you know,

782
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: it's tough, man and so if you have an opportunity,

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00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: you have to take advantage of it. If you have

784
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: a throw that's open, you gotta hit it. If you

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00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: have a pass that should be caught, you got to

786
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Speaker 1: catch it. And you can't turn the football over and

787
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: that bit. You know, the Browns last week against the Steelers.

788
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Speaker 1: But this is a competitive division. A lot of games

789
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Speaker 1: still left in the season. So you know, if you're

790
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: the Browns, you stuff to be optimistic in that sense.

791
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: But you're coming in and gonna face a good, you know,

792
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: Bengals football team, and the Bengals coming off, you know,

793
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: a tough loss against New York. They're ready to rebound.

794
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be primetime football you know to watch,

795
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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be an exciting game. Odell Beckham Junior's

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00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: dad basically called out Baker Mayfield this week by posting

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Speaker 1: video that showed times that Odell was open and didn't

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Speaker 1: get the ball. How do you think that plays in

799
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Speaker 1: an NFL locker room? You know, it's tough. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I want to say, doesn't carry a lot of weight,

801
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, because these guys communicate on a daily basis,

802
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: so you know, it could be something that hopefully they

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00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: joke around with one another to lighten the mood and

804
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: like come on, man, tell your dad to call me

805
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: if he has an issue or you know, something like that,

806
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: or let's get your dad on FaceTime and talk to him.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I witnessed it last week as I

808
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: was great in the game and Mayfield through a pass

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Speaker 1: down the middle of the field to Obj. It was

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Speaker 1: a little overthrow own and you know, the safety kind

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Speaker 1: of was creeping over too, so kind of look like,

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Speaker 1: what were you throwing me into here? And why would

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Speaker 1: you leave it high and towards the safety And the

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Speaker 1: way ob J got up after the round kind of

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Speaker 1: gave a little stair back to Mayfield kind of had

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Speaker 1: me intrigued, like, ah, yeah, I think there's a lot

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00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: of emotions going on when you're winning. You could slide

818
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Speaker 1: this stuff under the rug. But when things get tough,

819
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, this is when things come to light.

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Speaker 1: How can you manage these situations? Kevin Stefanski, how does

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Speaker 1: he do during this time? He did a phenomenal job

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Speaker 1: last year during COVID. How do you continue bring the

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Speaker 1: guys together. It's easy to lead during good times when

824
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Speaker 1: you're winning, everything's gravy. But when you face some adversity,

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00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: that's when you know the real testament stands out. And

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Speaker 1: as a receiver, Dan look, I mean the great, the

827
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: greatest of the great. They want the football, you know,

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Speaker 1: because the receivers they want to be a part of

829
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Speaker 1: the game and help the team. So I apre obj

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00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: and wanting the ball, wanting to help. But he's got

831
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Speaker 1: to do his job. He's got to run better routes,

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Speaker 1: he's got to be in the right spot, and then

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Speaker 1: when he is open, yeah, Mayfield has to hit it.

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Speaker 1: So it's not just one guy's problem. Everyone plays a

835
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: part in it, and they just can't seem to get

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Speaker 1: in a rhythm. First, Kretkowski is our gas, all right.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals are five and three, the Browns are four

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Speaker 1: and four. This week's games at Paul Brown Stadium. What

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Speaker 1: are a couple of keys in your mind? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's turnovers. Turnovers stand out to me. You know, who's

841
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: going to protect the football. But also up front, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think you have to stop the run if you're

843
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: the Bengals, because that's what the Browns are gonna want

844
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Speaker 1: to do. They you want to take some stuff off

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Speaker 1: of Mayfield's played. Hope played better when you're running the football.

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Speaker 1: So the Browns are gonna come off the bus trying

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Speaker 1: to establish that run, getting back to what they're good at,

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Speaker 1: what they're used to doing, and try to establish the

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00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: ground game in a sense like that. And I think,

850
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, as far as the Bengals defensively, Joe Burrow,

851
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, Burrow did a great job last week through

852
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: three quarters. Same thing defensively, it was that fourth quarter.

853
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a mountdown in a sense. I

854
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: think the Bengals just had to put a fourth quarter

855
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: game together, play clean football in Burrow just being Burrow,

856
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: kind of like that guy behind you in that photo.

857
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: Remember we played the Browns in Cleveland. Don't goes down

858
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: to a little hand injury or wrist and we come

859
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: back to win. But a lot of good times. But

860
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: I think I think the Bengals. I would love to

861
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: see the Bengals rebound here because I think it would

862
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: show a testament to their team character and that they

863
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: are a good, tough football team. Hey, it happens you

864
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: lose a game you shouldn't. Now you just have to

865
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: bounce back. Well, you reference that game in Cleveland where

866
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: you were the hero the opener in twenty eleven. You

867
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: threw AJ Green's first career touchdown catch to win that game.

868
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: That's one trivia question. It's time to answer the other.

869
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: Do you know the other two quarterbacks to play for

870
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: both the Bengals and the Browns? Man, it doesn't come

871
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: to mind right now, you know? Should I know? This

872
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: is this one that a probably should know right now?

873
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: Not really? The other two quarterbacks to play for both

874
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: the Bengals and the Browns are Jason Campbell and Todd Philcox. Gradkowski,

875
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: Campbell and Philcox, the Big Three. Bruce, It's always great

876
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: to visit with you. Thanks so much for your time.

877
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: Keep up the good work. Yeah, thanks, Dan, you good luck.

878
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: This week, Bruce became a high school football coach in

879
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: his hometown of Toledo. This year and took Saint Francis

880
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: de Sales to the Division two playoffs before losing to

881
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: second seeded Avon. Finally, it's time to take an in

882
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: depth look at the Browns with longtime Cleveland sportswriter Tony Grossi,

883
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: who joined Lappinbe on the Bengals Game Plan show on

884
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: Wednesday night. We started by asking Tony for his take

885
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: on the Odell Beckham junior situation, after the former Pro

886
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: Bowl wide receiver was told not to come to practice

887
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: on Wednesday afternoon. Well, first of all, I think it's

888
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: safe to say that the Bengals won't have to worry

889
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: about defending Odell on Sunday. So no way can I

890
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: see him reconciling the situation and playing in Sunday's game.

891
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: More likely, I see them separating somehow. The means must be,

892
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, kind of negotiated. I don't think the Browns

893
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: want to release O'Dell still pay him eight million dollars

894
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: and have him, you know, join a contending team that

895
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: the Browns make face somewhere down the line. So it's

896
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: very possible, in my opinion, that we can see almost

897
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: a Deshaun Watson situation here where the Browns pay Backham

898
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: the rest of the year not to play. Wow, that's unreal.

899
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: So he would be on the commissioner's list as such.

900
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: Not No, I don't think any list. It's just that

901
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: they won't give him his release. There there, you know,

902
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: he's guaranteed his salary as a vested veteran even if

903
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: they would release him. And I don't see it being

904
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: a situation where he could play with them again whether

905
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: he wants to or not. So just game day and

906
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: active for the rest of the year. Like Deshaun Watson

907
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: with Houston. Wow. Yeah, paying him to go away, that's

908
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty good gig if you can find it.

909
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: I guess that's unbelievable at any rate. So so he's

910
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: he's going to be. He didn't practice today, and of

911
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: course they they said quote shoulder injury or whatever, but

912
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean shoulder problem. But it's obviously the personal issues

913
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: that he's dealing with. Fifteen other players were on the

914
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: Wednesday injury report in varying degrees. Uh. Seven others didn't

915
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: practice at all. Six practice limited too on the injury report,

916
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: including Baker Mayfield. You know, practice bowl. How severe are

917
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: a lot of these injuries I mean, I know, you

918
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: play the Pittsburgh Steelers, you're always licking your wounds when

919
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: you're done. How severe are some of these injuries? Now?

920
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: These are all legit. Uh, they've they've been beat up

921
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: for about I don't know, three four five weeks, and

922
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna stay with him, uh, the whole year. They

923
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: don't have a bye week until December, and that they've

924
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 1: they've been beat up, there's no doubt. I mean, now

925
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: you mentioned Odell, he's got a legit shoulder injury in

926
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: addition to this mass and all of the all of

927
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: the injuries listed are fairly legit. They've played with him.

928
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: You probably know Banker situation. He's got a totally torn

929
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: left laborum and also a very small chip fracture in

930
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: his uh humorous bone, and he's playing with that wearing

931
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: a tight harness to keep the shoulder from popping out

932
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: even without contact. So are banged up, and it's it's

933
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: partly the reason they're four for him. So it is

934
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: partly the reason. Tony Grossi from eight fifty ESPN Cleveland

935
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: is our guest. Let me follow up on Baker Mayfield Tony,

936
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: because he's played great against Cincinnati the six times he's

937
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: played the Bengals, and last year with Kevin Stefanski coaching him,

938
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,479
Speaker 1: he was so great at those rollouts and just using

939
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: the running game to create wide open lanes or in

940
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: the in the passing game. Have they had to curtail

941
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: that stuff because of the bad shoulder. Are they reluctant

942
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: to have him rolling out and potentially exposing himself to

943
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: hits to the shoulder. This will be a good test

944
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: to that, because they surely limited him against Pittsburgh. But

945
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: as you guys know, it's tough for quarterbacks to get

946
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: on the edge. Against Pittsburgh, they played that wide defensive front,

947
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's just it's just tough to begin with.

948
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 1: But clearly they had two fourth and one quarterback sneak

949
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: possibilities and they didn't use the stake because they don't

950
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 1: want to further injure him. So I do think he's

951
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: more limited now and we'll see if they get him

952
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: out on the edge. That's where he's more effective. To

953
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: be able to see the field, even if you're only

954
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: seeing half of it. When you do that, when he's

955
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 1: in the pocket, it's very difficult for him to connect.

956
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: You see him sailing the ball high down the middle

957
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: on a lot of throws this year. So Nick Chubb

958
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: is now back. I guess we won't see Hunt it

959
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: doesn't look like but Chubb is back the offensive line. Conklin.

960
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: Is he going to try to play with a big brace,

961
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: a big contraption or no, he's out indefinitely. He's so

962
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: he's not gonna have surgery, but he's out indefinitely. They haven't.

963
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: They haven't cleared him out yet at this point. I

964
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 1: guess are they going to put him in into reserve.

965
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,959
Speaker 1: That's to be determined by the end of the week.

966
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: But they turned it a multiple week injury. So who

967
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: goes for him? Is that Hants or is it Hudson?

968
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: Now it'll be blank Hants, who's kind of emerged as

969
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: their new sixth man. You know, they also have Chris

970
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: Hobbard out, who was their sixth man. He's on ir right.

971
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: So Hants has emerged as that guy who will fill in.

972
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: He's skilled in at left tackle, he's skilled in at

973
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: right tackle, and now he's the starter at right tackle. Uh, indefinitely.

974
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: So the offensive line this the Cleveland Brown team, number

975
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: one in the league, rushing number one in the league

976
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns. You know, they just they pound people expect

977
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: even you know, with Hants at the at the right

978
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: tackle position, that's not going to alter their mindset. I mean,

979
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: their whole offense is built around pounding the football, averaging

980
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: over one hundred and sixty yards in the ground. Do

981
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: you expect the same type of thing this week? Oh yeah,

982
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: that's their bread and butter. And they were even to

983
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: do They were even able to do that against Denver

984
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: with Chubb and hunt out, you know, with his number

985
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: three de Ernest Johnson the third back. So it's all

986
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: based on the offensive line, and Hants has been steadily

987
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: improving under you know, Bill Callahan, the offensive line coach,

988
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: is known for improving players alonger they're playing for him,

989
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: and Blake Hants is one of those. So I don't

990
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: expect that to change, especially when you consider that Baker

991
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: is restricted now playing with a tight harness, and and

992
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, knowing that shoulder has already been rehindred once already.

993
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: How bad is Will's ankle injury and Trader's knee? How

994
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: bad are those guys? Well, Trader is one of those

995
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: guys who hardly ever practices, but hasn't missed a snap

996
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: in four years. He's always going to have a legit

997
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: knee injury on the injury list. The other one, Wills

998
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: has probably survived the worst. He played when he probably

999
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't have during the initial stages of that ankle injury.

1000
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: He admitted that. But now he's much better after he

1001
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: missed two games, so he's closer to normal. A couple

1002
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: more questions for Tony Gross, who covers the Cleveland Browns

1003
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 1: for the Land on Demand dot Com. I'm looking at

1004
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett stats. He's got two more sacks than anybody

1005
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: else in the NFL. He's got five more quarterback hits

1006
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: than anybody in the NFL. I kind of knew that,

1007
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: but then I see he's tied for second on the

1008
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: team and tackles. That tells me he's playing the running

1009
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: game great. Has he taken his game to the next

1010
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: level this year? I think so, although he is missing

1011
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: the element of strip sacks. Yeah. Last year he had

1012
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: four strips in four straight games. I think one was

1013
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: on Burrow early on. He hasn't done that, and of

1014
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: course he lost the band again last week in a

1015
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: type game. It wasn't able to affect that game. Um,

1016
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: he is collecting the sacks and he's a great player,

1017
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: don't you know. Don't get me wrong, but it seems

1018
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: every time he and TJ Water on the field together,

1019
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: TJ has the better game. So in terms of Clowney, jadeveon, clowney, ankle, knee, hip,

1020
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's pretty extensive. All all three of

1021
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: those are listed in Um. You know, he missed practice. Uh,

1022
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: but he seems to be watching him as compared to

1023
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: when I saw him play last year when he was

1024
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: with Tennessee against the Bengals and watching him on tape,

1025
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: this year, he seems to have more juice. I mean,

1026
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: is it because he's playing with a great player or what? What?

1027
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: What is his status physically, do you think? Yeah, he's

1028
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: got the hat trick of injuries right now, and again

1029
00:55:54,320 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: they're all legit. Um. Uh. Yeah. He started the year,

1030
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: the training camp, the preseason in a very happy state,

1031
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: basically because he started camp healthy for the first time

1032
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: in like three years. In his opinion, he had missed.

1033
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: He had missed training camps for the last three years

1034
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: of rehabbing injuries from the previous year. This year he

1035
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: started healthy, which made him happy. He liked the vibe here.

1036
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: He liked, you know, not being the number one guy,

1037
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: the batman, but being the robin to Garrett. Uh, and

1038
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: he knew the Browns should contend. Uh, he is when

1039
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: he's on the field, Uh, he's pretty pretty well. You know,

1040
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: he's he's best against the run and he had two

1041
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: tackles for loss against Pittsburgh on running plays. That's that's

1042
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: vintage Clowney there. But when he's on the field, he

1043
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: does help make Garrett more effective because they can't double everybody.

1044
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: Both teams chipped and used tight ends on Garrett. Um,

1045
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: he would wrecked a little more pass rush numbers out

1046
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: of clowning. But he's he's having a better year than

1047
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: Like he said that, you remember last year and maybe

1048
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: even the year before that. So what about Denzel Ward?

1049
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:21,959
Speaker 1: How bad is the hamstring with Denzel Ward? I think

1050
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: he returned to practice today. I think I think he

1051
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: was limited on their report, which was improvement because he

1052
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 1: missed the last game. And usually with Denzel Ward, when

1053
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: he has a hamstring that forces in the miss a game,

1054
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: it's usually multiple games. So I wasn't We'll see if

1055
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: he gets into the game. It's going to be literally

1056
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: a questionable situation, but the fact that he was at

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Speaker 1: practice and limited today was encouraging. So we'll see how

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Speaker 1: that one goes. And finally, Tony and thanks for all

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Speaker 1: your time. How big of a blow was losing the

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Speaker 1: rookie from Notre Dame A woosue Cora. That guy is

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Speaker 1: a freak. He does some freak is stuff to tape

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Speaker 1: and I saw on him. I'm telling you what if

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Speaker 1: he was in there with Clowney and Garrett, Are you

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Speaker 1: kidding me? What was he? How big an addition was

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Speaker 1: that dude? Yeah, well that's that's what they envisioned. Would

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Speaker 1: you just expressed? And he was based how like a hybrid.

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Speaker 1: He looks like a quarterback. He's so short and he

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Speaker 1: wears a quarterback number two twenty eighth, so it's weird.

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Speaker 1: But he's very quick. He was going to be the

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Speaker 1: quick guy to help him defend Lamar Jackson. You know,

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. They got some of those guys on their

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Speaker 1: schedule homes. But and he was coming along really well

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Speaker 1: as the weak side linebacker and uh and and had

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Speaker 1: gotten to the point where he was on the field

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Speaker 1: for three downs rather than just special packages. They loved

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Speaker 1: the way he was developing and the impact he was having,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that was a blow. He'll be back in

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, I believe, and it's not I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's not done for the year, but he

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Speaker 1: is on IR all right. Thanks to Tony Grossie. And

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