Speaker 1: Previously on Queen of the Con.
Speaker 2: Thank god Jenshaw ended up being a con artist, because
Speaker 2: she really helped to put Salt Lake on the map.
Speaker 1: Real Housewives star Jen Shaw goes from an ugly duckling
Speaker 1: childhood to radiant swandam in high school.
Speaker 3: We were at an assembly and out came this tiny
Speaker 3: Polynesian girl with this beautiful long hair, and when she danced,
Speaker 3: everybody went crazy. We couldn't get enough of her.
Speaker 1: And years later neither could Bravo viewers until her public
Speaker 1: fall from Grace on national television. What's going on.
Speaker 4: I've just got a phone call on strath staying years
Speaker 4: in the hospital. He has internal bleeding, so I need
Speaker 4: to go.
Speaker 1: That phone call she got, was that someone on her
Speaker 1: side quote unquote trying to warn her?
Speaker 5: I think she was absolutely getting warned because we know
Speaker 5: they were en route to the parking lot because they
Speaker 5: show up there so lya thereafter.
Speaker 1: We're looking for Jen Saw.
Speaker 6: She just like, wow, they have like swat team stuff.
Speaker 1: What the heck. Jenshaw is ultimately arrested and charged with
Speaker 1: masterminding an elaborate scam that cost victims millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: and her former employees are not surprised. Would you call
Speaker 1: her a con artist?
Speaker 7: I would just call her a con She's not very
Speaker 7: much of an artist.
Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the con
Speaker 1: The Unreal Housewife Episode two. I'm making money on every clique.
Speaker 1: Love the hair, dude, Wow, I like the swoop.
Speaker 7: I'll thank you.
Speaker 1: Coha Johnson is a fashion designer who really looks like
Speaker 1: a fashion designer. He's got angular features, an eclectic wardrobe,
Speaker 1: and a bleach blonde and pink mane whimsically framing his face,
Speaker 1: bobbing and bouncing as he talks to me about his
Speaker 1: most infamous client, Jen Shaw, and her three season stint
Speaker 1: on Bravo's Real Housewives of Salt Lake City that he
Speaker 1: had a front row seat to because whenever you'd see
Speaker 1: gen Shaw freaking out in a fancy dress.
Speaker 8: Where's this person?
Speaker 6: Whitney shut the up?
Speaker 1: It was always a CoA Johnson original.
Speaker 9: I would design customy me specifically for her, and I
Speaker 9: would source everything and I would get all the fabrics, notions, crystals, feathers, feeds,
Speaker 9: all that fun stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm posting some of the dresses CoA designed and created
Speaker 1: for Jenshaw at Queen of the Khan on Instagram, so
Speaker 1: you can see how spectacular they are. They really look
Speaker 1: like gowns you'd see Jennifer Aniston or Halle Berry wearing
Speaker 1: at the Oscars. You're a talented guy.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I can't even fathom how you design a dress and
Speaker 1: then you would sew it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I would create, We would come up with
Speaker 9: a design together. We would collaborate on the log I
Speaker 9: would start sourcing all the fabrics and then I would
Speaker 9: drink the fabrics, cut it out and make the pattern
Speaker 9: and everything, do fittings with her, so it myself, refit,
Speaker 9: resellt with the zipper and and call it a day.
Speaker 7: You know, from start to finish.
Speaker 1: And how did you lend that job with Jenshaw? How
Speaker 1: did you meet her? How did it happen?
Speaker 9: So from the get go I met her in March
Speaker 9: of twenty twenty, right before the pandemic started. A friend
Speaker 9: of mine, he was designing for her at the time,
Speaker 9: and reached out to me in Hawaii. I was visiting
Speaker 9: my parents in Hawaii and he said, Hey, I'm working
Speaker 9: for a housewife for the Royal Housewives of Salt Lake City,
Speaker 9: the newest franchise and filming with her for season one.
Speaker 9: I would love for you to come over for like
Speaker 9: a month to kind of like help start her clothing line.
Speaker 9: So I said, hey, I mean, that sounds like a
Speaker 9: great idea. I'm not really doing anything. And I was
Speaker 9: expected to go there for.
Speaker 1: A month, but CoA ended up staying for nearly a year,
Speaker 1: and over the course of his tenure as Jen's personal
Speaker 1: designer and stylist, he got to know her really well.
Speaker 7: It was very interesting, it was very monumental. It's very
Speaker 7: life changing.
Speaker 1: What do you know about how Jen Shaw even got
Speaker 1: on The Real Housewives to begin with?
Speaker 7: So it's an audition process for sure. I got to
Speaker 7: see her audition tape.
Speaker 4: I had to work my ass off here in Utah.
Speaker 7: I've always been at least fifty round a month.
Speaker 1: I heard she spent a fortune on an audition tape.
Speaker 9: She definitely spent a fortune. She bragged about a lot
Speaker 9: of the things that she would spend her money on
Speaker 9: was on there as well.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, was she two types of crazy?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 9: So yeah, how she got on the show, I mean
Speaker 9: when I first met her back in March of twenty twenty,
Speaker 9: she had a very big personality, and I was told
Speaker 9: that she had a very big personality and Bravo loves that.
Speaker 9: Bravo loves especially she was a woman of color. She
Speaker 9: was Polynesian, and that's something especially in Salt Lake City,
Speaker 9: that you don't see a lot of that type of
Speaker 9: person in a very conservative state.
Speaker 1: Did Bravo seek her out to be on the show
Speaker 1: or did she seek out the show to be on
Speaker 1: Bravo's Real Housewives.
Speaker 7: Bravo sought her out.
Speaker 9: So usually how it worked is Bravo will seek out
Speaker 9: one person who will recommend another person who will recommend
Speaker 9: another person.
Speaker 7: For auditioning for the show. So she was sought.
Speaker 9: Out by Bravo and recommended by someone else on the show.
Speaker 1: Interesting. What was it like working for Jenshaw for that year?
Speaker 7: She was very pleasant in the beginning.
Speaker 9: I felt I grew to love her personality, loved her family,
Speaker 9: her kids, her extended family, her mom, her brothers, her sisters.
Speaker 9: I got to know them very well, and being also
Speaker 9: Polynesian myself, in Hawaiian specifically, we just had that kind
Speaker 9: of cultural connection because we were of the same background
Speaker 9: and the culture. And I really really did love her
Speaker 9: like a sister. As things progressed and during my time
Speaker 9: with her things became very, very chaotic.
Speaker 1: She hasn't been home since Saturday.
Speaker 7: Toxic.
Speaker 6: You decided to bring it to me.
Speaker 7: Abusive that what happened when the grata.
Speaker 1: And it ended pretty abruptly and according to Coha, as
Speaker 1: bad as Jenshaw was on camera, Yeah right, she was
Speaker 1: actually worse off camera than on correct.
Speaker 9: Yeah, how so explain that like when she got upset,
Speaker 9: she got really upset, throwing glasses, throwing phones, breaking phones,
Speaker 9: breaking objects, and she her hats on or throw at
Speaker 9: you or any of my colleagues.
Speaker 7: She would do that.
Speaker 9: She would call us and just scream her head off
Speaker 9: and tell us what horrible employees we were and that
Speaker 9: we weren't doing anything.
Speaker 1: Things got so bad for CoA and the Shaw Squad,
Speaker 1: which is what Jen called the team of people under
Speaker 1: her employ that at one point when she was going
Speaker 1: off on them for the hundredth time, someone hit record.
Speaker 4: And you can set up fuckingmiling bitch and being a
Speaker 4: fucking bitch. You are here, you are.
Speaker 1: There was a video that got out of her losing
Speaker 1: her shit on you and throwing things.
Speaker 9: So that night was the night before she had to
Speaker 9: leave to New York City.
Speaker 7: For the reunion filming.
Speaker 9: She was coming down from being drunk. She realized that
Speaker 9: she still needs to pack. Jen was a very difficult
Speaker 9: person to get to do any task, Like she couldn't
Speaker 9: get out of bed. She would wake up at two
Speaker 9: pm at that point, like she missed her hair appointments,
Speaker 9: nail appointments. She just couldn't get out of bed or
Speaker 9: do anything. And when she was up, she was on
Speaker 9: her phone social media, distracting herself from actual responsibilities and
Speaker 9: tasks that she needs to complete.
Speaker 10: It.
Speaker 9: It was a very difficult situation for me because I
Speaker 9: was not only making her dresses, but I was assisting
Speaker 9: and helping her do daily tasks because she fired so
Speaker 9: many of her personal assistants.
Speaker 1: How did you feel as you're standing there and she's
Speaker 1: just going off on you and yelling and throwing stuff.
Speaker 11: I handled this shit, It's no not yet handle it.
Speaker 9: So in that instance, she was upset because she was
Speaker 9: not prepared, and I was literally at.
Speaker 7: My wits end.
Speaker 9: I was emotionally, mentally, physically drained at that point because
Speaker 9: I've already finished her reunion gown, and by her yelling
Speaker 9: at me and screaming at me. I just kind of
Speaker 9: was numb at that point because it was not the
Speaker 9: first time that she did that to me. There were
Speaker 9: many many other it's as previous to that moment that
Speaker 9: she did, and I was just kind of like numb
Speaker 9: to the situation and her yelling Like it was just
Speaker 9: like I was just completely blank out as she's like yelling,
Speaker 9: screaming and assaulting me. But I still doing my job.
Speaker 9: You still have a dress. It's not like you have nothing.
Speaker 9: I gave you everything. And I think that's what you
Speaker 9: have to understand that Jen expects everything from you and
Speaker 9: drain you.
Speaker 7: I mean, that was her crime. She took everything.
Speaker 9: From these people and expected everything to be given to her.
Speaker 8: And sid.
Speaker 1: Who do you think recorded that video and released it?
Speaker 9: That's a good question. I know everybody wants to say
Speaker 9: it's me. It's something to me. There were two of
Speaker 9: my other colleagues that were present there, plus Jen, plus
Speaker 9: her husband. I can't say who did it or if
Speaker 9: I know that did it, but I'm just really glad
Speaker 9: and grateful that it was put out there.
Speaker 1: Designing dresses for Jen Shaw and having those dresses shown
Speaker 1: worldwide on the Real Housewives show was a tremendous opportunity
Speaker 1: for CoA. Johnson, It would be for any designer, but
Speaker 1: that opportunity came with a deep price.
Speaker 7: It was a living nightmare, for sure. It was a
Speaker 7: living nightmare. For sure.
Speaker 9: You would just be on edge the entire time, like
Speaker 9: I did so much.
Speaker 7: I stayed up all night.
Speaker 9: Sewing a dress for her because she needed it for tomorrow,
Speaker 9: or she needed it for some kind of event. But
Speaker 9: I always still felt on edge because she would call
Speaker 9: and just be like, nothing's ready, nothing's prepared. Her life
Speaker 9: was in shambles, She was in chaos constantly. It was
Speaker 9: a complete nightmare, and my colleagues had to go through it. Myself,
Speaker 9: A lot of the people around us had to suffer
Speaker 9: her wrath.
Speaker 1: Looking back, did Jenshaw scam you?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 1: She did. Now, the scam Jenshaw pulls on Koa is
Speaker 1: not as egregious or as complicated as the elaborate scam
Speaker 1: she was pulling on thousands of people across the country,
Speaker 1: systematically bilking them out of millions of dollars.
Speaker 9: Her crime is very complex, and I think a lot
Speaker 9: of her fans still are scratching their heads and wondering
Speaker 9: why she's sitting in jail.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're going to get to all that. It's insane,
Speaker 1: so stay with us. But the scam Jenshaw pulls on
Speaker 1: Koha was just cruel and dehumanizing. She essentially stopped paying
Speaker 1: him for the last four months he was with her.
Speaker 1: He was living in her house designing for her full time,
Speaker 1: away from his friends in New York and away from
Speaker 1: his family in Hawaii. In a way, she tricked you
Speaker 1: into working for free.
Speaker 9: Yeah, she did robbed me, exhausting me of all of
Speaker 9: my resources. Yeah, I was still able to perform under
Speaker 9: those circumstances. So yeah, she definitely scammed myself and a
Speaker 9: lot of my colleagues of their time and money that
Speaker 9: they deserved.
Speaker 1: How many other people did she not pay U?
Speaker 7: There were quite a few of us. That was my
Speaker 7: time there.
Speaker 9: There was at least myself and not maybe five other
Speaker 9: assistants of hers.
Speaker 1: She stiffed all of them.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And you know, part of the scam I think is
Speaker 1: I can tell by researching you, you're a very talented,
Speaker 1: hard working designer and you take pride in what you do,
Speaker 1: so I can tell you're not even doing it for
Speaker 1: the money. So I think she uses that against you.
Speaker 1: She knows you're not doing it for the money, and
Speaker 1: she thinks I'm paying him, he'll still do it because
Speaker 1: he takes pride in his.
Speaker 9: Work, exactly my work ethic. She saw that I was
Speaker 9: a very hard worker, and she fed off with that
Speaker 9: work ethic for sure.
Speaker 7: She also dangled fame and recognition.
Speaker 9: A lot of the things that we as artists as
Speaker 9: designers do rely on is exposure.
Speaker 7: The exposure doesn't pay our bills.
Speaker 1: Of course, there are two sides to every story, and
Speaker 1: Jen Shaw has her In season two of The Real Housewives,
Speaker 1: Jen responds to Coha's accusations he.
Speaker 4: Took my kindness and repaid me by making it look
Speaker 4: like I mistreated him, which was.
Speaker 1: Not the case at all. And she tells people she
Speaker 1: got rid of you because you couldn't cut it. You
Speaker 1: were no good. What's your response to that?
Speaker 7: She was one of the biggest liars I've ever met
Speaker 7: in my entire life. I did not get fired, I
Speaker 7: did not get let go. I quit.
Speaker 9: I sent in my resignation texts. Her husband was a
Speaker 9: part of that text message, and another colleague of mine
Speaker 9: was a part of that text message. So I did
Speaker 9: not get fired. I quit that part where she said
Speaker 9: she was nothing but nice to me. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 9: no no, no.
Speaker 1: She was not.
Speaker 9: I was nice. I was kind to her. She took
Speaker 9: my kindness as weakness and weaponized.
Speaker 7: It against me.
Speaker 9: And I realized now that she needed me more than
Speaker 9: I needed her. For sure, I don't think she would
Speaker 9: have gotten that far without what I did for her,
Speaker 9: to be.
Speaker 1: Honest, Yeah, because on that show looks for everything dresses
Speaker 1: or everything, and you did some spectacular gown. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I proved myself and she wouldn't admit it that what
Speaker 9: I'd done for her. Obviously, I did my job above and.
Speaker 10: Beyond expectations, and under those circumstances, I'm more proud of
Speaker 10: myself going through abuse and being assaulted the entire time
Speaker 10: and berated the entire time, I was still able to
Speaker 10: do my job.
Speaker 1: You might be asking yourself, why didn't CoA just leave?
Speaker 1: Why go weeks and months with no pay? Why put
Speaker 1: up with that? The answer is, of course complicated.
Speaker 5: Jenshaw is tremendously charismatic.
Speaker 1: That's attorney in Housewives Officionado Emily D. Baker post of
Speaker 1: The Emily Show podcast.
Speaker 5: There are some people when you know where they're in
Speaker 5: a room and you know where they are, even if
Speaker 5: it's a lot ar full room. Jenshaw is one of
Speaker 5: those people, and you can see even when people dislike her,
Speaker 5: they forgive her. And we saw this play out on
Speaker 5: the show. It's because they want to be around her,
Speaker 5: because she's a lot of fun, and you see them
Speaker 5: forgiving the shitty things she's done over and over because
Speaker 5: they like her. And that's a type of charisma that
Speaker 5: can't be taught.
Speaker 1: Emily actually witnessed firsthand the power of persuasion. Jenshaw wheels
Speaker 1: over everyone around her.
Speaker 5: I was at an after party at Bravo Kan when
Speaker 5: Jenshaw crashed the party.
Speaker 1: Bravocan is exactly like it sounds, a yearly convention for
Speaker 1: fans of the Bravo world, where stars of shows like
Speaker 1: vander Pump Rules below deck and of course the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives appear and mingle with fans. And Jenshaw showed up
Speaker 1: to the last Bravo Kan dressed to the nines and
Speaker 1: ready to mix things up.
Speaker 5: I think she said she didn't crash the party, that
Speaker 5: she was invited, but she invited to Bravo Kahn after
Speaker 5: she fled, and she was there anyway, but she took
Speaker 5: to the dance floor. Jen's got moves. She absolutely has moves.
Speaker 5: I'm not surprised that she stood out as a superstar
Speaker 5: in high school where people wanted to be liked by her,
Speaker 5: wanted to be like her, and wanted to be kind
Speaker 5: of in her shine a little bit. She's absolutely charismatic,
Speaker 5: and even though she is a petite woman and not
Speaker 5: very tall, everyone was just kind of drawn to her.
Speaker 5: And so even the housewives that were having issues with
Speaker 5: her were still kind of standing around watching gen dance
Speaker 5: because yes, she absolutely has moves, and we saw that
Speaker 5: time and time again on the show.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly.
Speaker 5: What sets her up for people wanting to please her
Speaker 5: in scenarios like this where they will override their own
Speaker 5: red flags because they want to be near Genshaw. They
Speaker 5: want to win her approval and they want her to
Speaker 5: like them.
Speaker 1: That's the power of any good con artist. They get
Speaker 1: you to love them. Yes, that's their weapon.
Speaker 5: Yes it is, and it takes people in, and it
Speaker 5: certainly took in the network execs at Bravo.
Speaker 1: I imagine they salivated when they saw jen Shaw's casting reel.
Speaker 4: We live in a gaety community, my husband travels a lot.
Speaker 6: I really better with females that work.
Speaker 7: The ones that just sit at home and don't do anything.
Speaker 4: I don't stay well with girls like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, she was exactly what they were looking for,
Speaker 1: an uber, wealthy, self made woman with a big personality
Speaker 1: in Mormon country. Jen Shaw was proof positive that a
Speaker 1: Real Housewives incarnation based in Salt Lake City could actually work.
Speaker 5: The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is an interesting
Speaker 5: franchise because it touches on Mormon culture, people who have
Speaker 5: left the Mormon Church, drinking, which is kind of taboo
Speaker 5: in Utah, and there's a lot of drinking on this show,
Speaker 5: and the relationships of some women who have known each
Speaker 5: other for quite a long period of time in a
Speaker 5: really small community, a very very elite part of Salt
Speaker 5: Lake society. And it's not even really Salt Lake it
Speaker 5: seems to.
Speaker 1: Mostly be part city.
Speaker 5: So it's a very interesting slice of life into how
Speaker 5: these women live. And I think jen knew that she
Speaker 5: wasn't going to be the nice one that kind of
Speaker 5: brought the groups together, because the most dynamic and some
Speaker 5: of the fan favorite housewives tend to be a bit polarizing.
Speaker 5: They tend to be the ones who aren't afraid to
Speaker 5: mix it up.
Speaker 4: Here, my friend, and if everybody's done anything too, I
Speaker 4: would stack to one thousands of cents.
Speaker 5: So she walked that line of really lashing out against people,
Speaker 5: but also being in almost every single scene of all
Speaker 5: three seasons. This was a calculated, curated persona.
Speaker 1: What no one knew at the time was that in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, jen Shaw tricked Bravo into casting
Speaker 1: her on their Real Housewives. She presented a life that
Speaker 1: was actually a house of cards ready to fall, and conversely,
Speaker 1: Bravo had its own spin on things coming down the pike.
Speaker 11: Angie Harrington has left the church, Whitney has left the church.
Speaker 11: Jen has left the church all before they were on
Speaker 11: the show, So they kind of have Mormon adjacent people
Speaker 11: who at least are somewhat aware of it.
Speaker 1: That's Scott Pierce, a TV writer for the Salt Lake Tribune.
Speaker 1: It's like Bravo's whole intention of casting Salt Lake City
Speaker 1: was to put the Mormon angle into it. But when
Speaker 1: you drill right down, there are no practicing Mormons on
Speaker 1: that show, not any.
Speaker 8: Fully active I don't think you could actually have them
Speaker 8: because I'm not sure that you could be on Real
Speaker 8: Housewives if you don't drink. There are no I mean,
Speaker 8: I don't want to say card carrying Mormons, but active
Speaker 8: members of the church have a temple recommending can go
Speaker 8: into the temple. The only cast member at all who
Speaker 8: apparently still goes to church is Lisa.
Speaker 1: Lisa Barlowe, the housewife with long flowing brown hair who
Speaker 1: also co owns a tequila company with her husband.
Speaker 8: I love that, and she clearly does not have a
Speaker 8: temple recommend because she drinks, among other things.
Speaker 6: She is not a fully active member of the church.
Speaker 1: So a temple recommend is a certificate issued by the
Speaker 1: Church of Latter day Saints that allows a Mormon to
Speaker 1: actually enter the church and be a practicing Mormon. But
Speaker 1: a Temple recommends certificate has got to be earned. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like a college degree. It takes two years
Speaker 1: to get one, and drinking is a major disqualifier.
Speaker 6: Heather kind of sorta was in when it started.
Speaker 1: Heather Gay, the blonde who owns beauty Labin laser.
Speaker 8: But she has all together left and the other ones
Speaker 8: who were Mormon aren't anymore and weren't when the show started.
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City is kind of a small town, so
Speaker 1: much so that years before Scott Pearce was writing about
Speaker 1: Jen Shaw and the Housewives for The Tribune, she actually
Speaker 1: lived on his block.
Speaker 6: She did used to live a couple durs down from me.
Speaker 6: Quite a number of years ago. A couple of our
Speaker 6: kids played together.
Speaker 8: My primary memory is Jen and Sharif coming over, and
Speaker 8: I'm sure it was at Sharif's instigation, just to introduce
Speaker 8: themselves because the kids were playing. You know, her older
Speaker 8: son and my son were playing together, and she didn't
Speaker 8: say a whole lot.
Speaker 6: Jarif did most of the talking.
Speaker 1: She is so outspoken and vocal. It's hard to imagine
Speaker 1: her in that situation not saying a lot.
Speaker 8: I have nothing negative to say about that. It's just
Speaker 8: when they announced the cast, I went, well, that's unusual.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 8: What a lot of people don't realize who don't live here,
Speaker 8: is that Cherif has a much.
Speaker 6: Bigger name than Jen. You know, he was a star
Speaker 6: football player at the University of Utah. He's been a
Speaker 6: coach for many years, so his name was familiar. Hers
Speaker 6: was not.
Speaker 1: But that all changed quick thanks to Housewives. Back when
Speaker 1: you were writing about Jen Shaw, when she was on
Speaker 1: the show, What was your understanding of what she did
Speaker 1: for a living to make all that money.
Speaker 6: I didn't get it.
Speaker 8: I knew that it was something with online marketing, and
Speaker 8: I will admit that when it started I didn't worry
Speaker 8: about it too much. We didn't really see her working much.
Speaker 8: I didn't really give it a whole lot of thought,
Speaker 8: which doesn't reflect well on me. I guess for not
Speaker 8: being more curious about that. But I never understood it,
Speaker 8: and even when she would explain it on the show,
Speaker 8: I still didn't understand it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can tell you I've been investigating con
Speaker 1: artists for five years now, and that is one of
Speaker 1: the signs of a con. They're vague, right about how
Speaker 1: the money comes in, where the money comes from. It's vague.
Speaker 1: It's this, it's that. And maybe she tells different people
Speaker 1: different stories, but the fact that she could never clearly
Speaker 1: explain it. You're an educated guy. If you didn't get it,
Speaker 1: I sure as heck didn't get it.
Speaker 8: I guess we could say that Real Housewives has performed
Speaker 8: somewhat of a public service because I never thought of
Speaker 8: this stuff before, and now I'm more aware of it.
Speaker 6: And as you say, the vagueness. When I look back at.
Speaker 8: It now, it's like, well that, as you say, that's
Speaker 8: a sign I was not aware of that before.
Speaker 6: I'm guessing that there are other people who were not.
Speaker 1: Aware of that. For the record, this is what Jenshaw
Speaker 1: said publicly about how she makes her money back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty on Access Hollywood's Housewives Nightcap.
Speaker 4: It's funny because a lot of the ladies are like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, where does gen get all their money?
Speaker 4: And I think part of it is like here in Utah,
Speaker 4: the ladies are like, oh my gosh, how does the
Speaker 4: brown girl and the black husband have all this money?
Speaker 7: Because that's you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: They're like, that's weird.
Speaker 7: No, it's not weird.
Speaker 4: I own three different marketing companies and we do lead
Speaker 4: generation data monetization. The best way to describe it is
Speaker 4: I'm the Wizard of Oz. I'm like the one behind
Speaker 4: the curtain that nobody knows exists, but I'm the one
Speaker 4: making everything happen. So when ads are popping to you, guys,
Speaker 4: when you're like, how the hell do they know I'm
Speaker 4: shopping at Neiman Marcus, that's me. And if you think
Speaker 4: about it, you know how much traffic is on the
Speaker 4: internet every second, all the people clicking. I'm making money
Speaker 4: on every click. Every time you click on anything, I'm
Speaker 4: getting some money.
Speaker 1: What Genshaw exhibits is what every con artist exhibits. They
Speaker 1: make their scam so complex and hard to follow and
Speaker 1: ideally removed from themselves that they're hard to prosecute. They're
Speaker 1: hard to lay out for a jury because if you
Speaker 1: confuse a jury, you're not going to get a conviction.
Speaker 1: They're just gonna be like, oh, that's reasonable doubt, you know,
Speaker 1: not guilty.
Speaker 2: She had a background in telemarketing.
Speaker 1: That's Zach Peter again, a man who spent time with
Speaker 1: almost every Housewife and the Bravo universe on his No
Speaker 1: Filter with Zach Peter podcast. He studied the way Jenshaw
Speaker 1: rose up in the telemarketing ranks and.
Speaker 2: Kind of built her way up in that channel of
Speaker 2: you know, calling up people and saying, hey, is your
Speaker 2: student loan? Do you owe student loan debt? And so
Speaker 2: she learned the trick of the trade, and then eventually,
Speaker 2: it seems she continued to build upon that until she
Speaker 2: had her own business. It was seemingly profitable, but not
Speaker 2: enough and I think she ended up coming on real
Speaker 2: houses of Salt Lake City as a way to get
Speaker 2: out of that and as a way to kind of
Speaker 2: build herself, because she clearly has an ego, and I think,
Speaker 2: you know, fame and money were just her biggest motivations.
Speaker 1: When I was eighteen years old, I got a job
Speaker 1: in telemarketing. You know, this is before I started waiting tables,
Speaker 1: before I did singing telegrams. That's a whole lot of story.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't do it longer than a week. I
Speaker 1: quit because have you ever worked telemarketing? Now, it's a
Speaker 1: hard effing job. You have a computer monitor with your script,
Speaker 1: and based on what the person tells you is what
Speaker 1: button you pressed to read like you're just a thankless
Speaker 1: drone reading what you're told. And then you have to
Speaker 1: make a sale. And then your boss is listening in
Speaker 1: and all the calls, and there's so much pressure to
Speaker 1: make a sale, make a sale, make a sale. Like
Speaker 1: I couldn't last a week. I quit.
Speaker 2: All I know about telemarketing is those are the people
Speaker 2: I hang up on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean now me too. It's a tough road
Speaker 1: to hoe.
Speaker 2: But I think that's why somebody like Genshaw was able
Speaker 2: to make it profitable is because she ended up targeting
Speaker 2: vulnerable people, people that you know you can essentially con.
Speaker 1: And the extent of her conning, the complexity and how
Speaker 1: long it went on is something that took the FEDS
Speaker 1: years to fully untangle.
Speaker 2: It was awful what she did to those people.
Speaker 1: It really was.
Speaker 2: She turned up their lives for what a fake Fendi bag.
Speaker 2: Congrats girl.
Speaker 1: Next time on Queen of the Con.
Speaker 6: The operators they pump you for information.
Speaker 1: They we dissect the kinds of scammy telemarketing calls Jenshaw
Speaker 1: used to build seniors out of millions.
Speaker 4: What happens if I don't make good money at this.
Speaker 9: At the end of thirty days, if you have not
Speaker 9: returned on your vet Nick, we will give you a
Speaker 9: refund back.
Speaker 5: I think what Jenshaw was leaning into is this is
Speaker 5: just marketing. Okay, so we're lying in our marketing practices,
Speaker 5: but that's not WIREFID. You don't go to prison for that.
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