1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Jesse Tyler Ferguson is best known for playing Mitchell Pritchett 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: on the award winning series Modern Family, but he is 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: also known for his work on Broadway Very very Accomplished 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: Broadway Star. Now, Jesse is taking on the podcasting world 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: with his new podcast Dinner on Me with Jesse Tyler Ferguson. 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: This is just Be with Jesse Tyler Ferguson. So where 7 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 1: are you, la? 8 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: Where did you grow up in Albuquerque, New Mexico? 9 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: Oh? 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 3: Really? Is it great? 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: There? 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: Is it nice? 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: It was not great? It's better now. It's not great 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: when I was there. 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: Okay, I've never been. I don't. 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: I've just I've never been to Taos or any of 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: the place I've always wanted to go there. 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: It's just one of the few. 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: Places really it is. Yeah, I'm putting on that on 20 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: my list right now. So I think I met you 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: once with Eric. We came to meet you somewhere. Were 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: you at, like, had you finished a play or you 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: were doing something. I'm like, it's like Foggy, I met 24 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: you in New York somewhere. 25 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: The first time I met you was you were both 26 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: on an episode of Watch What Happens Live? And you 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: were so so nice to me, and I was like, 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: I had never done it before. And I also had 29 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: like never met anyone from like the Real Housewives franchise, 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be really honest with you, I was 31 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: terrified and you completely like alleviated all of my fears. 32 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, she's so cool, she's so sweet, 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: she's so down to earth. You brought me like skinny 34 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: girl Margarita met and like you know, of course, you 35 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: were just very you were just very nice. And then 36 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 2: the next time I met you, you were with Eric 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: and I don't know if it was a play that 38 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: words me. I feel like it might have been in 39 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: New York. You didn't come to New York. 40 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: I was like a warehousey brick wall type cool place 41 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: and there was a party and you were there and 42 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't even. 43 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 3: Know if you were married. 44 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: I might not have been married yet. Yeah, So. 45 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: You so what. 46 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: I didn't know a lot about you, Like I didn't 47 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: know how embedded in theater you really are. 48 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: Like that's really the core of. 49 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: Your being and your business, and that's your passion or 50 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: that's just the path you have been mostly on. 51 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: No, that's what I that's what I intended to do 52 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: with my career is be a theater actor. I went 53 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: to school for musical theater specifically, and did that for 54 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: quite a few years before getting an opportunity to have 55 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 2: to out let and do TV. And I never wanted 56 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: to do TV. I was finding theater. You know, I 57 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: wasn't making a ton of money, but I was happy 58 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: to do it. I just never saw myself as I 59 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: don't want to say as like talented enough, but I 60 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: just never saw myself as someone who would ever be 61 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: desired to be on TV. 62 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: Like I didn't commercial enough. 63 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But then I always used every opportunity when 64 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: I was doing Modern Family to go back to do 65 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: theater in New York, whether it be like Shakespeare the 66 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: Over the Summer, which is a really great truncated you 67 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: know schedule it it's just over the summer, so it 68 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: gets right into the hiatus. And then when I was 69 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: done with the Modern Family theater and I did a 70 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: play for a year, and uh yeah, it's always my 71 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: my my major passion. But now I'm you know, I 72 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: love that I have opportunity to do other things and 73 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: make some money. 74 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: Well, is it like a comedian just wanting to get 75 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: back on the road, Like it's the connection and it's 76 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: that that that jolt. 77 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 3: Is it that fixed? 78 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: Because being on TV I I've done I went to 79 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: the groundings in Second City. I like doing improv and 80 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: being on reality TV. When I have done it, or 81 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: even just doing my social media, it's so not constricting. 82 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: And I would think that and when I've done like 83 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: a few things on TV, it's been so tedious to me, 84 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: like it feels like you have to do this, then 85 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: we have to pick it up seventeen ways, we have 86 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: to pick up the other opposite. And for me, I 87 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: think that sounds very very constricting and you have to 88 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: be very patient. 89 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, well just like just like okay, for example, like 90 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: a podcast is like a great long form conversation, like 91 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: when you're on a talk show with like you know 92 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: Ellen or you know, I'm gonna go back to Rosie O'donnald, 93 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: like you know, you're you're telling a story in like 94 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: six minutes. Oh it's insane, and like I always have 95 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: our palpitations what I'm doing. I'm like, I gotta get 96 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: all my story points out. But with the podcast, like 97 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: you get to have this like forty five to an 98 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: hour long conversation with someone and like really get to 99 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: know someone so kind of the same way. That's why 100 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: I love theater. It's because you have this like this, 101 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: this you're afforded all this time both with like creating 102 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 2: a character, but then also in your performance with you know, 103 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: with an audience. Like you get to sit with an 104 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: audience for an hour and a half or two hours 105 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: or hour a long the play is and tell the 106 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: story at your own pace and you're not like rushing 107 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 2: against the clock and having to like get to the 108 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: next scene because you know, you got to make lunch. 109 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: It's like you get to do this thing for two 110 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: hours and show an audience like what the story is, 111 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: and there's no editor that's going to come in and 112 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: slice it up and like Frankenstein it together into whatever 113 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: it is. And my god, from reality TV, you must 114 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: have a whole different experience with what that is. But like, 115 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's just this great luxury of having 116 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: this intimacy with this group of people who have chosen 117 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: to sit with you in this quiet, dark space for 118 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: a few hours. 119 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: And I just well, it doesn't have to be perfect. 120 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: You're connecting, It doesn't to be perfect. Because if you 121 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: make a mistake or you don't feel like you're really 122 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: connected to a moment, like you gotta do it again tomorrow. 123 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: You know, that's hard to leave behind yesterday, like I 124 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: used to. I did a talk show for a year, 125 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: which I didn't like because I hated directing traffic. But 126 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: I didn't like with your a person who gets in 127 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: your head about what just happened, but you have no 128 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: choice to show must go on? 129 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very interesting. 130 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and no with reality TV with the editing, I 131 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: never ever reality TV is effectively a blind date. You 132 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: come home, you tell your friend in three minutes. 133 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: What it was. 134 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: Usually, you know, they don't usually have an ax to 135 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: grind with one person. It's usually like what it was, 136 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: It's just a crystallization of what it was, you know, 137 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: right right? 138 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 3: So what was it like leaving? 139 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: Like just the knowing that the ending was coming of 140 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: modern family of that? Was it depressing? 141 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: It all? 142 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: Was it was it? Did you feel like lost when 143 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: it was over? Did it feel weird? And it felt 144 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: like liberating? You know, like a new chapter. 145 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: It's it's a combination of so many different things in 146 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: the same way that it feels like people are gathering 147 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: together for a funeral as well as like a celebration. 148 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: Like it's just it's so many different emotions coming at 149 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: to you from so many different directions. You know, we 150 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: did it for eleven years, which is a really really 151 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: long time think artistically, we were all ready to move. 152 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: On tapped it, get the last money and the last story. 153 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: But we did it. 154 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, thats right. And you know there's also this great 155 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: you know, you've you've been with these people every day 156 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: for eleven years, and to to have to say goodbye 157 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: to them, you know, I guess it's sort of the 158 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: same as like how people feel at the end of 159 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 2: like graduation from you know, high school. It's like you've 160 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: got all these people that you you've spent you know, 161 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: maybe twelve years with, like all of a sudden, you're 162 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: not going to see every day. I didn't have a 163 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: connection with anyone I went to high school. But so 164 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what that feels like, but like I 165 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: imagine something like that, like these people you just have 166 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: such a deep connection to you don't get to see 167 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: on a regular basis. And but for for us, you know, 168 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: it's interesting when we ended, we ended in a February 169 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty, so we all had like we were like, 170 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: what's next, and then we're like, oh, it's lockdown for 171 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: you know a. 172 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 3: Year now, right, A good time to process, but a little. 173 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: Too much time, a little too much time, I think 174 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: for all of us, Like, you know, we were excited 175 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: to see each other again in a few months, like 176 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: reading that on like the Jimmy Kimmel Show when they 177 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: were going to when they were going to air the 178 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: actual finale. We were there was a lot of press 179 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: that was gonna be around that we were all going 180 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: to be together. We all had Okay, well I'll see you, 181 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: you know in a few months, and we didn't get 182 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: to see each other, and it was like on zoom 183 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: and little boxes and so like we didn't really get 184 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: a process it in a way that I think we 185 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: were intending to process it. And you know, for me, 186 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 2: I was meant to go to New York and start 187 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: work on a play. I actually left two weeks after 188 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: we'd done shooting, and I was in the process of 189 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: that when COVID happened, so I had to come back 190 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: to LA and then like wondering, am I ever going 191 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: to do this thing that I've been so excited to 192 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: do for so long, I was sort of going to 193 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: bring me out of the depression or the law of 194 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: like not being a modern family anymore. And I didn't 195 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: have that thing either, and it was a very interesting 196 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: time for all of us. 197 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, methadone, you were just sort of like cold turkey. Yeah, yeah, 198 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: did you feel a little bit like, listen, eleven years 199 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: is the sickest run ever? But did you feel did 200 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: anyone did you feel like you peaked in high school? 201 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: Like it was you were younger in your career and like, 202 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: are you ever going to do anything as major as that? 203 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: And like afraid that that would be your biggest, bestest 204 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: thing you'd ever do, which, by the way, if it was, 205 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: it would still be pretty amazing, like the like Friends 206 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: or anything that anybody was on for years. 207 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: I think for me, at least up to this point, 208 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: so many projects that I had got to do were like, well, 209 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: that was that was it, that was going to be that, 210 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: that was the apex of my career. And I've had 211 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: several moments like that before Modern Family, which I'm really 212 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: grateful for. And then even after Modern Family, I did 213 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: this play and I gotta win a Tony Award for it, 214 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: and I thought, well, this is like a. 215 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 3: Whole other level, you know, so different genre and a. 216 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 2: Different genre and a different medium. So it's like, I 217 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: don't think there will ever be anything like Modern Family. 218 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: I don't anticipate being on another show that runs for 219 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 2: eleven years and having a connection with a cast as 220 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: deeply as I did with the cast and Modern Family. 221 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: But you never know. I mean at O'Neil thought that 222 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: that Married with Children was going to beeh than and 223 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: like he went on and that rant for eleven years, 224 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 2: and then he did another series that was more successful 225 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 2: and he was more praise for. So you know, I 226 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: think that's very rare, but it certainly happens. And you know, 227 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: if you ever start to think, like, well that was 228 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: it with my career, like you're that, you're fucking yourself 229 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: so hard because like you know, I'm only forty seven 230 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: years old, which yeah, you know, if I you'd asked 231 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: me like twenty years ago, would have said that's old. 232 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: But like I don't feel old, and I have so 233 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: much more I want to do, so I feel very optimistic. 234 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: And what does your husband do? 235 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: Well, he he's technically a lawyer. He passed the bar, 236 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: and he he didn't work actually practicing a lot, but 237 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: he set up a lot of nonprofits for different influencers 238 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: and celebrities. He would be people to work on the nonprofits, 239 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: and he had a company that actually did that for 240 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: a while. He's and he's still very active in politics, 241 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: but he right now has been producing a lot, and 242 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: he's produced several Broadway shows and he's actually been nominated. 243 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: He was nominated a few days ago for his fifth 244 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: Tony Award. 245 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: Wow. 246 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: And it's so funny because on the first season he 247 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: decided to produce something. He was nominated for two different 248 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 2: Tony Awards and he won one of them. And that's me. 249 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 2: I've been in this business for like twenty years and 250 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: I have never had never at that point, been even 251 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: nominated for Tony Award. And he like in his first season, 252 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: was like I'm going to just see what this is, 253 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: like this toe Tony Award, Like that is so unfair. 254 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: But since then I have got my own. 255 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: That's unbelievable because well, I have a fiance who's a 256 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: real estate developer, like fully a real estate developer, and 257 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: but he's produced movies and he's and he's produced twelve 258 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: movies like with people that all actors and actresses that 259 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, and he's won a Peabody And I always 260 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: laugh because, well he'll shoot me in like the bathtub 261 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: doing something. I'm like the like the Sprayer and like 262 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: we call it a Bathtub Callers, and I'm like, I'm 263 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: like he's like I have a Peabody, but I'll never 264 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: be more proud of any project than Bathtub Caller I was, 265 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: you know. 266 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 3: So it's just. 267 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: Funny that he's like a civilian like your husband. But 268 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: like also he's won Tony's It's just funny, like that's 269 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: not it's a real estate developer, he's not. And now 270 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: he's producing a YouTube series for me because I asked 271 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: him to. And it's just funny because he's just like 272 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: this conservative Boston guy and like there he has like 273 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: produced movies with all kinds of people that you know 274 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: it could have been. 275 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: I mean I love that, Like I mean for me, 276 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: like when I was growing up, it was like you 277 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: pick a lane and you stick with it. And like 278 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: I love that Justin has done like all these different 279 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: things and like yeah, he went to law school, but 280 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: then now he's producing Broadway like it's just how do 281 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: you get from that to that? Like, I just love you. 282 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: It's very inspiring to you know, not put yourself in 283 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 2: a box like that. I'm not I'm not as good 284 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: at it. I feel like, Okay, I do this thing. 285 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: This is what people expect me to do, and that's 286 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: what I'm trying to do really well. And I just 287 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: love that. There's and sounds like your fiance is the 288 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 2: same way. Like that, there's that desire and that I 289 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: don't know, I do this sort of a sense like 290 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: risk taking and like, yeah, but I don't like the 291 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: daredevil things. 292 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: Like I think it's because you put you just you 293 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: didn't land. You just evolved into the right box. And 294 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: he started off, you know, with his parents' expectations were 295 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: what he was supposed to do, go to law school, 296 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: who he thought he was, and he that's not the 297 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: box he wants to be. And he's always looked at 298 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: the other box, but like hasn't thought it applied to 299 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: him because of the road he I think it's just different. 300 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm in the right box, like I do whatever I 301 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: want anytime I want, But he is always looking over 302 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: at that creative box. I think it sounds like that 303 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: to me, just from not knowing nothing of the situation, 304 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: you're very very your gay rights activist, you're a gay 305 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: marriage activist, And I didn't realize how I mean, in 306 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: my periphery that's been there, that you've been involved in that, 307 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: but certainly not as strongly as I've read about now. 308 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: And I'm really interested in that about you, how you 309 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: like really that's been so important, Like you could be 310 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: in a relationship, you could do whatever you want. 311 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 3: You didn't. 312 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: It didn't have to be your cause. So I'm curious 313 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: about the trajectory to get to that. 314 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: Well, just to answer your first question, I mean, I 315 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: growing up in Albuquerque as a closet a gay kid 316 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 2: was not easy. It wasn't. It was a pretty conservative 317 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: place when I first was living there. It's certainly become 318 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 2: a lot more progressive now, but I was it was 319 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 2: a place that I was really looking forward to getting 320 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: out of, and so as soon as I could, I 321 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: moved to New York to study theater. My parents are 322 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: very supportive of that, and that's sort of where I, 323 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: you know, blossom to do who I was. That was 324 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: amongst a community of people that made me feel very 325 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: comfortable about being myself and talking about things that I 326 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: never felt I could talk about before. So that was 327 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: instrumental in me becoming, you know, the person I am. 328 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: Really Truly, theater saved in my life that way, because 329 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: it was a community that was built in that supported 330 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: me and I. Uh. But as far as like activism 331 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: and you know, fighting for marriage equality, that's really something 332 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: that my husband justin instilled in me. You know, when 333 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: he and I first met, he was still in law school, 334 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: but he was working on the Proposition eight case. The 335 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: Proposition eight was the proposition that outlawed same sex marriage 336 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: in California, and he was working for the nonprofit that 337 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: was that was funding the lawsuit to you know, debunk that. 338 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: And so when Modern Family first started, his friends were like, 339 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: you need to watch this show. It's like a real 340 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: pop culture touchstone for exactly what's happening in the country 341 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: right now. And like, I think it'd be really great things. 342 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: It's gonna do great things for marriage equality. And so 343 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: this fight you're in, and he's like, I'm just so 344 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: busy with law school, you know, I don't have time. 345 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: Finally he watched the pilot and that same day he 346 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: went to the gym and I happened to be at 347 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: the gym as well, and so we ran it to 348 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: each other at the locker in the locker room, We're 349 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: both fully clothed, I promise, and so he stopped me 350 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: in the locker room. He was like, I just want 351 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: to tell you. You know, I watched the pilot and 352 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: basically said all the things that he wanted to say 353 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: about how important he thought the show was going be 354 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: for this thing he was involved in. And it's so 355 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: funny because I, you know, I was very touched by 356 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: him being so open about that, but I was also like, oh, 357 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: you're cute. What's her name? How old are you? Like 358 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: I was getting all the important information right, and we 359 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: ended up exchanging numbers, and he asked me out on 360 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: a date and I sure, no. I asked him out 361 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: on the date and he said why I have a boyfriend. 362 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, well I'm not doing this. Like 363 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: he's like, we can go out for drainings sin his friends. 364 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: I was like, I have enough friends, and I kind 365 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: of just left it there right. But after after a while, 366 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: he broke up with this boyfriend and we got together. 367 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: And so when we actually started dating, you know, I 368 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,239 Speaker 2: kind of absorbed all this passion for you know, activism 369 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: that he sort of just you know, like kind of 370 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: naturally admitted. And I was very inspired by him. And 371 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: we were in this huge fight for marriage equality, and like, yes, 372 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: I was just starting to date this guy, but this 373 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: was the cause that I deeply cared about, and you know, 374 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: we both talked about wanting to be married someday, and 375 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: I just you know, he really he really kind of 376 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: was a driving force behind my initiation into like becoming 377 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: an activist, and he helped me set up my foundation 378 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: and he was very active in that as well. It's 379 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: so funny because like by the time I was in 380 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: the fifth season of Modern Family and Eric's character, my 381 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: character were wanted to get married. A lot of the 382 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: writers from Modern Family were in communication with my husband 383 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: because he was sort of on the inside, and they 384 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 2: were like, is this actually going to happen, because they 385 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: weren't going to break stories for the season of us 386 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: getting married if marriage equality wasn't going to be legalized 387 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: in California. Because these characters lived in the same world 388 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: that we all live in, you know, it's not We're 389 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: not in like an alternate universe. They needed this thing 390 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: to happen. So Justin was very kind of he was 391 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: like this inside mole, like, well, this is what we're 392 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: talking about in DC and to sort of tie this 393 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: story up. This sort of like beautiful, like full circle 394 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 2: moment of it all was in the episode where Eric 395 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: and I decide to get married. There's a point where 396 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 2: I'm watching at Bork as Mitchell, my character Mitchell. I'm 397 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: watching on my computer the celebration of the proposition eight 398 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: being overturned, and I'm watching on TV and you can 399 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: see and on the computer screen the a Fur which 400 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: is the company that Justin worked for, that the nonprofit. 401 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: You could see their signs up in the air. And 402 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: it was just this like beautiful moment. It's like, I'm 403 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: watching as this character who's gonna get married on television, 404 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: and I'm watching my fiance at that point on that 405 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: the screen is celebrating in real life. 406 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: It was just so meta, very wow, that's very cool, 407 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: and I can't I have to bring up that. I 408 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: just you know, my daughter's turning thirteen on Monday, and 409 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, when something happens at school that's challenging, it 410 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: is like it's traumatic, you know, something that's like bullying 411 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: or being people being mean, or she's not good at 412 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: a sport. I can't imagine the try. I don't think 413 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: the trauma of living in secret in high school is 414 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: discussed enough. Like it's got to be so tense every 415 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: second of the day, living a lie that you're like 416 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: you don't even know, like from what you're eating, to 417 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: what you're reading, to what you're wearing, to like you're 418 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: living a double life. 419 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: It's so scary, well. 420 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: The very formative years, and you know, if you can't 421 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: sort of be yourself, I mean, what does that do 422 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: to those you know? It does stunt you in a 423 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 2: lot of ways. But also I hate to say things 424 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: a character building because I was like, I'm not I 425 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,239 Speaker 2: would have preferred it these year routes. Yeah, but you know, 426 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: I am who I am today because of a lot 427 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 2: of things that happened. I can't you know, yeah, truly no, but. 428 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: Still but it's sometimes I'm sure you walk on eggshells 429 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: about certain things that are in your body and your DNA. 430 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 3: Because of that. 431 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: Like me, I'm Type A and I'm always neurotic and 432 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: I'm always obsessing, and it's because of my craziness in 433 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: my household. Like you know, so it's whatever it is, 434 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: what it is that happened, but we can only do 435 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 1: what we can for our kids. And your surrogacy story 436 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: is really interesting, Like that is a story that listen. 437 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: I know people magazine wrote about it, what you know, 438 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: and that's great, but like I don't think that most 439 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: people really know about that interesting story about your husband. 440 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so justin my husband had had cancer 441 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 2: at a very young age and before he started chemotherapy, 442 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: his his parents froze his sperm. Like it it's like 443 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: a really weird thing. He was thirteen at the time, 444 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen, and you know, he goes to like 445 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: a sperm bake with his parents and like goes into 446 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 2: a room and does his thing and then comes out like, okay, 447 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: let's go get a hamburger, like you know, you're a kid. 448 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: It was just there. He's like it was in hindsight, 449 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: he was like that was an insane thing. But thank 450 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: god because you know, years, years and years later he 451 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: needs someone that he wants to have kids with who 452 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: is me. And you know, we test his his sperm 453 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: to to see how how it's doing and the stuff 454 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 2: that he has now is NOBLINO. So we look at 455 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: the stuff from you know, when he was thirteen years old, 456 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: and of course it's like megasporm because it's from a 457 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 2: teenager r And so that's what we used to to 458 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: conceive our first kid. And that's also one of the 459 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: reasons why we wanted to work with a surrogate, because 460 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 2: we sort of wanted to honor that choice that his 461 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 2: parents made. And that really kind of beautiful, like I mean, 462 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: who thinks that far ahead? 463 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: But they don't mix it together ever, they don't mix 464 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: two sperms together, and you know, you can't what I. 465 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 2: Think that was like the older term for like you know, 466 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: the spinner, but like now what you can do and 467 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: a lot of my friends did and we tried as well, 468 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: is you you you know, you get your eggs from 469 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: a donor and you split them in half, and Justin 470 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: took one half and I took the other. And then 471 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: you sort of see, you know, which eggs are most viable, 472 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 2: and you can take one egg from you know, this parent, 473 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: one egg from this parent and put them both in 474 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: the surrogate and then hopefully both will take and you 475 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 2: have twins. And so like you know, and once genetically 476 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: connected to one parent, one genetically connected to another. So 477 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: we tried that initially, and only Justin's took that, you know, 478 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: that mega sperm from thirteen. Uh yeah, very competitive, So 479 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: that's the only egg that actually it took. So we 480 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: only had one kid at a time. But we tried 481 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: at the beginning to go for twins and just say, like, 482 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: you know, it's just we always wanted to and let's 483 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: just do it and get it over with. 484 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 3: But what is it like to be a gay father 485 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 3: in Hollywood? 486 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 2: Like? 487 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: What is that? Does it? 488 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: Does it require less explanation to your kids about other 489 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: mommy and daddies you know, have different types of relationships 490 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: and or no, because you're in La, Like what is 491 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: that actually? 492 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: Like well, I mean, Beckett's a little too young to 493 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: still be talking about it, but like we have, Justin 494 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 2: and I have both circled around this conversation before, like, well, 495 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: when it gets to that point and it's age appropriate, 496 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 2: how are we going to discuss it? Because he Beckett 497 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: is maybe three in July, okay, our youngest. Yeah, we're 498 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 2: almost on the age where we started to ask questions. 499 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: But you know, he's out of preschool right now. We're 500 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: the only gay couple there. So and that's just where 501 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: he's at right now. But I can imagine, you know, 502 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 2: I just look back to like how I grew up 503 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: and in Albuquerque there was no same sex couples at all. 504 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: That there's like, definitely, it's a more diverse world we're 505 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: living in, first of all. But then La and you know, 506 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: we go to New York a lot, and we spend 507 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: a lot of our time there. You know, we are 508 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: our main places that we reside happened to be these 509 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 2: very you know, liberal places where you know, there's obviously 510 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: he's going to be exposed to so many more things 511 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: than I was as a kid, So I think it 512 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: will be easier. I think that, you know, there's certainly 513 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 2: more resources. I was just looking for books when I 514 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: was you know, when we were expecting our second kid, 515 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 2: to read to my older son about like, you know, 516 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 2: you're going to become a big brother. But like all 517 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 2: the books talked about mommy and daddy and what's growing 518 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 2: in mommy's belly is like we don't have that's on 519 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 2: our situation. So you know, there's still space for us 520 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 2: to like find ways to educate our children about you know, 521 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: alternate you know, lifestyles and in alternate ways to conceive 522 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 2: and expand our family. I think that there's definitely a 523 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: space there for that. So I have a lot of 524 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: friends who have kids who are a little older than mine, 525 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: and they're going to school and they their classmates are 526 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: non binary, They're going to different pronunts and for them, 527 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: this thing that I still trip over, even as someone 528 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: who's so passionate about the LGBTQ community and forwarding momentum, 529 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: like I still have trouble. I still trip up on 530 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: my pronouns and I'm totally working on it still. And 531 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: my friends who are trans or non binary are very 532 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: generous with me and they're always gently correcting me. But 533 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: you know, the kids, these kids that are growing up 534 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 2: now that it slips off their coming so easily and 535 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: they don't have a problem with it, right, And that's 536 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 2: incredibly encouraging, and I'm just I'm grateful. I think in 537 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: that way there is forward momentum and that the world 538 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: is in some really safe hands with them. So yeah, 539 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 2: I just hope we can continue to move forward that 540 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 2: way totally. 541 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: Cocaine Bear is something that your husband found for you. 542 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: Can you tell that story just briefly. 543 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's Justin has access to my Instagram and 544 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 2: Twitter because I I'm not great at it. I am 545 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: present on it, but sometimes we'll sneak on and post 546 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 2: things for me and I don't even realize he's done it. 547 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: And when Elizabeth Banks was announcing that she was directing 548 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: Cocaine Bear, she tweeted, you know, I'm directing this movie 549 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: called Cocaine Beer. Who wants to be in it? And 550 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 2: so Justin, for my Twitter account volunteered me, oh as myself. 551 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: What this was, I don't know, like twenty twenty one, 552 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: it was like three months before she started filming, okay, 553 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: And so I did a phone call from her right away. 554 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: We're old friend, I've known her for twenty years, and 555 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: she just sort of launches into this conversation, assuming that 556 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 2: obviously I had sent out this tweet, and I have 557 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: no idea what the fuck she's talking about. She's like, so, yeah, 558 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 2: we're shooting to see in Ireland, and like I was like, 559 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: is she on drugs? Like what is what's happening? She's 560 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: just rambling about this coke. I have no idea what 561 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: she's talking about, and so I kind of back her 562 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: up and I get like, I realized that Justin has 563 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 2: done this, and I was like, oh, well, ironically the 564 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: movie sounds really fun. I was like, can you send 565 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: me the script? And so I read read the script 566 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 2: on like three pages and I was like, oh, I'm 567 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: absolutely one doing this movie. It's ridiculous. And you know, 568 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 2: Justin when we're at the premiere, he was like, I 569 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 2: can't believe I got you this film. And I then 570 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: remember because I kind of forgot that he had volunteered 571 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 2: me via Twitter. 572 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 3: That's me And what is the film? 573 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's a it's well, it's it's called Cocaine Bear. 574 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: It's exactly what it sounds like. It's kind of based 575 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 2: on the true story about this bear who found this 576 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 2: cocaine that was abandoned by these drug lords and in 577 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: the woods and eight copious amounts of it. And in 578 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: real life, the bear died like when it's cardiac arrest 579 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: and died, but Liz Banks and the writer reimagined what 580 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 2: it would have been if the bear had not died. 581 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: I went on a killing spirit instead, and it's sort 582 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 2: of this very I have not heard of Cocaine Bert 583 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: about the no is that bad? You're literally the only 584 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 2: person going. 585 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: Don't be insulted because I don't know so many things, 586 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: but I read about every person that comes on here, 587 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: and I never pretend that I know something I don't, so. 588 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: I'm It's just it's so funny because like even like 589 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 2: my my it would be when the trailer came out, 590 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: it became like this kind of like viral thing that 591 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 2: everyone was sharing, Like all these people who I don't 592 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 2: know anything about my work, We're like, oh my god, 593 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: are you in that movie Cocaine? 594 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 3: But I was like, I all know everything about it. 595 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: He'd be embarrassed, but you have no idea the number 596 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: of things that I the things that I know are useless, 597 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: and then things that everybody knows about I don't know. 598 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: I'm always late to parties. 599 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: Don't you worry about it. I'm just it's like literally 600 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 2: like my my like high school teacher from you know, 601 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: years ago, was like I knew about it. I was like, 602 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: how does everyone know about this film? It's a ridiculous film. 603 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 2: It's it's really I didn't know. 604 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: That Every Kiss Began with K was about the letter K. 605 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: Every Kiss Begins Okay, I didn't know it was about 606 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: like you know that those about the letter K at 607 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: the beginning of every kiss. 608 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. I learned that at the mall. 609 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: Last year, and I didn't like. 610 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: I just thought, just kjew just every kiss begins a K. 611 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: Jewelers like every I don't know. I never thought about it. 612 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: I just never knew. And someone said, yeah, because it's K, 613 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: it's okay at the beginning of a kiss. 614 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. I didn't know. 615 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: I still don't know if it's a gift or a gift. 616 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's the gig or the 617 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: jig is up and the meeting. 618 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 2: I don't know me. 619 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 3: I don't know me too, and I don't know if 620 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 3: it's the gig is up or the jig. 621 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: But wait, did you know that? Did you know that 622 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: lies in Maneli was beouty Garland's daughter. Yes, why because 623 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 2: so many people have to like, like, oh, that's like 624 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: an AHA moment for them. I was like, are you 625 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: kidding me? Get out of here. I think Justin most 626 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: pretty recently realized that. He's like, oh, I didn't put 627 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: that together. 628 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 3: You know what the other one there's another one like that? 629 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: Well, but every gay man knows that that Gloria Vanderbilt 630 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: is Anderson Cooper's. 631 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 2: Mom, Anderson Cooper's mom. 632 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a big one though, that that's like 633 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: an iconic one. Yeah, that's really funny. That's really funny. 634 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: And then I've been in Anderson's house and like in 635 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: the Hampton's which is Gloria's old summer hall, and there's 636 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 2: like paint you knows she's also a really fantastic painter. 637 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: And he has all these paintings that his mom did 638 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: and with her signature at the bottom. And she had 639 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: the glory event about jeans that had her signature in 640 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 2: the pocket. Oh my god, it's the signature. That's the signature. 641 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 3: I lived for those. 642 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: But I'll give you I'll do a circle back for you. 643 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: I've been to his fire house townhouse in New York 644 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: City at Andy Cone's book party, where he has a 645 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: large bear that is not He's probably on cocaine. Also, 646 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: he has a large bear, a large animal. I think 647 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: it's a bear, isn't it? Have you ever seen it? 648 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: I actually haven't been in the fire. 649 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: Oh he has like a giant animal, and I'm pretty 650 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: i'd be willing to bet it was a bear. I 651 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: got a text, Andy, Wow, I'm so glad to meet you, 652 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: and I'm getting You know, when I meet people like 653 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: you who are smart and interesting and so talented and 654 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: like who I respect, I get more. Of course, I 655 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: have to put it on me. I get more proud 656 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: of myself. 657 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 3: I've been interested. 658 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: I've been interviewing really interesting men lately, and I think 659 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: I might be finding a niche like Andrew McCarthy was 660 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: so interesting, and then David Arquette I knew so little 661 00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: about him, and I'm finding it somehow. 662 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 3: Every week. 663 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: It's becoming this theme where I'm interviewing these like interesting 664 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: male actors that I respect and admire and like are 665 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: so deep and interesting. So I'm getting I'm liking that. 666 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm finding this little corner. 667 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 2: Ah, that's very kind of you put me in there 668 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: some categories. Then you've never seen all three of us 669 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: in the same place, though, so we could be I 670 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 2: never have. 671 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: But I don't know how much you know about Andrew McCarthy. 672 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: He's fascinating, and I like that, like you know, and 673 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: all and a lot of the men are like not 674 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: the types that would go on to this kind of pot. 675 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: You know that what they would think this podcast is. 676 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: So I'm feeling like it's better. It's good for me 677 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: because I'm getting a little street cred in this little 678 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: space of people that I take that I admire as 679 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: like serious actors who aren't going to fuck it out 680 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: and do stupid, fluffy, cheesy podcasts, you know what I'm saying. 681 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: So I'm getting excited, like ironically, wait. 682 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 2: Do you know that I'm about to play a podcast? Oh? 683 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: Great, what's it about? 684 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: So I'm actually really excited to have similar conversations with people. 685 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 2: It's it's called Dinners on Me and I take a 686 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: The first season is all people I know him love, 687 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: But I take a friend out to a dinner at 688 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: a great restaurant. Obviously, we talked about the food in 689 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: the restaurant, something I'm very passionate about. I wrote a cookbook, 690 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: so we talk about the restaurant itself. But then it 691 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: ends up just being a conversation that's about like, you know, 692 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 2: what are you working on now? And more about stuff 693 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: like this, like what we're talking about right? And the 694 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 2: first season I have it started the first episode me 695 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: and Julie bonen Uh a little reading nighting with my 696 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: my on screen sister from Modern Family, and then Jesse 697 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 2: Williams from Gray's Anatomy, who I just wrapped a play 698 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: with in New York, nac Nash. We have Kristen Bell 699 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: fed Armiston Ross. It's really it's been, it's been really great. 700 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: So it's called Dinners on Me and it's I think 701 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: launching on May twenty third. 702 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna listen to Congratulations, thank You. That could 703 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: be the first podcast I've ever listened to because I 704 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: like the concept. Yeah, I love the concept thank you Thanks. 705 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: One day when you've flush through all your other podcasts 706 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: you're doing. I have a podcast called Rewives and in 707 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: the beginning everyone thought it was Paul my fiance just 708 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: we have a very similar you and I like with 709 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 1: our partner. He was like, you have to be doing 710 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: a rewatch. You have to be doing a rewatch. Everyone's 711 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: doing rewatches. And I'm like, I don't want to like 712 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: break down the show, like it's not my personality and 713 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: I and He's like, well, people want to hear from 714 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: he called me, he said Tom Brady about the game. 715 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: But I found my way in which was to have 716 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: really really successful, intelligent people on that may not have 717 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: even watched. And we have this conversation, like what you're 718 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: talking about about this scene, but we end up talking 719 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: about life and relationships and Finela, we're not talking about 720 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: trashy reality TV. 721 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 3: We end up talking about dynamics. 722 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: So it has become wildly successful. 723 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 3: Like crazy. 724 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: If you want to come on sometime, you'll enjoy it 725 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: because it takes it off you. You end up talking 726 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: more about you through something crazy thing that happened on 727 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: the show that has nothing to do with you, but 728 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: it's actually pretty interesting. You'll lie if you want to, 729 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: so at some point I'll have them ask you if 730 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: you want to do it. 731 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 3: You might enjoy it. Awesome. Well, thank you so much. 732 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm so I'm really grateful. It was such a good 733 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: and now I know you and I. 734 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: Love I know, I like you. 735 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: Thank you and love to your family and your kids 736 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: and your husband and only amazing things. And I can't 737 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: wait to hear what happens. 738 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 3: To you next. Now I know this is all about you. 739 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: I've been reading about you all morning. 740 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. 741 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 3: Of course, have a wonderful day. 742 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: I love to see it. 743 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: So that was really nice because I respect Jesse Tyler 744 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: Ferguson as a real actor. And as I said to him, 745 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: I've started to think about the evolution of this podcast, 746 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: and I remember having having Hillary Clinton on and being 747 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: nervous and going to like another location to make sure 748 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: the tech was perfect, and nobody really intimidates me. Now 749 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: there have been people where their publishers are like, they're 750 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of a combudge and they might be 751 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: a little difficult, And everybody has been great because I 752 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: think I have a level of respect from them, and 753 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: it just is making me respect myself more for the 754 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: path that I've been on that I didn't want things 755 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: to be sort of low hanging fruit, trashy ratting people 756 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 1: out in the press, like just to get click clicks, 757 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: and we don't. 758 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 3: Do that at all. 759 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: I've just wanted it to be really natural and really 760 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: and I hate to say cheesy things like safe space, 761 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: but just like a place where a conversation about who 762 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: they really are is gonna happen, it doesn't matter where 763 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: it goes. So I'm really really excited, and I'm just 764 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 1: it's been this little niche of like these interesting, well 765 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: respected actor males that are so smart, So that could 766 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: be one of my little pockets. 767 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 3: I like it