1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I want to jump 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: right in today because my guest I saw her story 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: actually in an article online, and I was like, this 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: is a crazy story, but it affects so many of us, 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: or it could affect so many of us, and that's 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: why I wanted to bring her on today so that 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: we could chat about it. I'm so grateful that she's here. 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: Nicki Goser. She is a senior fellow at the Crime 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: Prevention Research Center and a Tennessee Delegate of Women for 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: Gun Rights and she actually became a victim's rights advocate 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: after her own husband was brutally murdered in front of 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: her by her stalker. And Niki, thank you so much 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: for being with us today. 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: Thank you Tutor for having me on. I really appreciate it. 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: I have so many questions about this, and I appreciate 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: that you're willing to go through it. Did you always 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: know that this guy was stalking you that night or 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: that day? Did you know that he was there to 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: do this? 20 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: No, As with many victims of stalking, sometimes it takes 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: a while to figure it out, to figure out, Okay, 22 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 2: this person is more than just odd or behaving strangely 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: or paying a little bit too much attention to me. 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: It can take a while, and I did not realize 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: I was being stalked until that very night. It's a 26 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: long story, but basically that night I realized, Okay, this 27 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: has gone too far. This man is stalking me, and 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: I asked management to please remove him from the restaurant 29 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 2: where Ben and I were running our mobile karaoke show. 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: And when management asked him to leave, he pulled out 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: a forty five and shot my husband seven times in 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: front of myself and everyone in the middle of that 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: busy restaurant. It was a gun free zone at that 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: time in Tennessee. You were not allowed to carry a 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: permitted legal firearm in any restaurant if they served any 36 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: alcol So I obeyed that law and left my legal 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: permitted firearm locked inside of my vehicle. Of course, my 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: stalker did not. He brought a gun in illegally, did 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: not have a handgun carry permit, and proceeded to murder 40 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: my husband. I'll probably wonder for the rest of my 41 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: life if I could have prevented that. Of course I'll 42 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: never know, because I was denied a chance. I was 43 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: stalked and defenseless. 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: And that's the title of your book. And I appreciate 45 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: you coming on and sharing this because I think so 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: many women have this fear of someone stalking them, don't 47 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: and not knowing, but the numbers are kind of remarkable. 48 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: How many women actually do end up having someone stalk them, 49 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: And then you are in a situation where you are 50 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: your only defense because there's no one else that can 51 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: constantly be around you protecting you. I think it's interesting 52 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: that you talk about the fact that you were a 53 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: gun free zone because I think that we have this 54 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: constant conflict in our society of where how do you 55 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: actually protect people from a bad guy with a gun, 56 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: Because it's not protecting you from the gun itself. You're 57 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: protecting the person from this person who has a bad intention, 58 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: and it's very hard to know ahead of time who 59 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: has a bad intention. Let's just be honest. We all say, oh, 60 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: we could have we could have figured this out. We 61 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: could have figured that out if we had just had 62 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: this law in place, this wouldn't have happened. Well, at 63 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: the end of the day, this guy broke all the 64 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: laws to get to you, and the law was there 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: to protect you. The law of having a gun free 66 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: zone in restaurants was there to protect you, and honestly, 67 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you ended up without 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: any protection whatsoever. So what have you done since? Because 69 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: I think a lot of parents will say, well, I 70 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: want a gun free zone at my church, I want 71 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: a gun free zone at my school, I want a 72 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: gun free zone on all these places, and then they 73 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: find out that the only person with the weapon is 74 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: the bad guy. 75 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: Right. Unfortunately, I think so many people who go through 76 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: horrific things like I've been through, you know, many of 77 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: them become very anti gun and they want more and 78 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: more gun fore zones. They it makes them feel like 79 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 2: it's more safe, and it's actually I feel it's actually 80 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: the opposite. That is just a welcome sign to someone 81 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: with ill intent, someone who's evil, where they can have 82 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 2: free rein there is no good person there to be 83 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 2: able to truly stop them. And it's like you said, 84 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 2: the bad guy will be the only one with a 85 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: gun and everyone else will be sitting ducks. And I've 86 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 2: tried to educate people for the past fifteen years about this. 87 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: You really have to think about this differently. You have 88 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: to almost think like a bad guy, really, right, or 89 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: to prepare yourself. 90 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: And I think the interesting thing about your story is 91 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: as women, we always are concerned that someone is willing 92 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: to come and hurt us. The fact that this man 93 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: came in and shot your husband right in front of 94 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: you and you lost your husband that day, I just 95 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: can't imagine what that's like to Monday morning quarterback that like, 96 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: should I have known the sign? Should I have seen 97 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: the science? And it's so hard because you can't see 98 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: the signs. But this guy is not letting up. He 99 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: continues to try to find you, and he's in prison 100 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: right now, but he's sending you letters, isn't that right? 101 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: Yes, he has sent many twisted love letters for years 102 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: from prison, and he doesn't know where I live. I 103 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: hope he doesn't know where I live. He would send 104 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: the letters to my former attorney that I used in 105 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: my wrongful death suit against him, So all of that paperwork, 106 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: of course, was sent to him in the prison, and 107 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: I had my attorney's address on it, and so he 108 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: use that address to send these letters year after year 109 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: after year. So the obsession has continued, and it's extremely 110 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 2: disturbing because he's getting out. People think that when someone 111 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: does something this horrific and it was obvious to me 112 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: that it was premeditated, but liberal judge bench trial judge 113 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: dropped it down to the lesser offensive second degree. So 114 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: now he's getting out. His release date is twenty thirty, 115 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: and he's being let out early for good behavior because 116 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: they're given good behavior credits. It's really disturbing. 117 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: What year was it that he was put in prison? 118 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 2: Two thousand and nine and he's going to be released 119 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: in twenty and thirty right now. He did receive one 120 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: extra year of prison time for the federal stalking charge, 121 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: but it's a joke, really, you know. I mean, sure 122 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: it's one extra year, but he's still getting out, and 123 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: it's terrifying. 124 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: It's just an interesting argument because we've had so many 125 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: people on here. We have people on from both sides, 126 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: people that are, you know, pro Second Amendment, people who 127 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: want some of those Second Amendment rights taken away and 128 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: have that whittled down. And I can see both perspectives. 129 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: It's a challenging situation because you have people who, depending 130 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: on their own personal experience, they don't fall in the 131 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: black and white. They fall in that gray area of 132 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: a situation that we didn't we didn't know how to contain. 133 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: And I consider you in that situation where it's like, Okay, 134 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: it seems like a really good idea to just ban 135 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: guns in this area, But then the bad guy is 136 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: the only one with the gun. And I mean, we've 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: had this discussion from many perspectives, when it is kids 138 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: with a gun, when it is a school situation. Yours 139 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: is now a different situation. But we did have a 140 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: gentleman on here who does trainings for women on weapons training, 141 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: so he trains, he does shootings, or he does training 142 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: gun training. I guess I don't even I have attended it. 143 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: I don't use a gun, so I can't even talk 144 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: that clearly about it. But his reasoning was because he 145 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: said he remembers investigating a crime and finding a woman 146 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: in a ditch and her body was, you know, she 147 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: had been murdered. Her body was laying there, and he 148 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: said it will never leave my mind that she had 149 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: no way of defending herself. So unless he can train 150 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: women to defend themselves with a weapon, then what equalizer 151 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: do they have up against a man who's coming to 152 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: them and wanting to harm them in some way. Now, again, 153 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: your situation was different where he wasn't even coming for you. 154 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: But you are someone who was trained with a gun 155 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: and you weren't allowed to have it in that situation. 156 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: So how are these gun free zones actually helping anyone exactly? 157 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: And I just want to point out that when the 158 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: police searched his vehicle at the crime scene that night, 159 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: they found two more guns, ammunition, a baseball bat, binoculars, gloves, rope, 160 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 2: and a knife. 161 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: What do you know what his intent was of that night? 162 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: Was his intent to go and kill your husband? Was 163 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: his intent to kidnap you? 164 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: The police believe that his intent was to try and 165 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 2: kidnap me and do away with my husband. I'll never 166 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: really know. He was diagnosed with delusional disorder and erotomania 167 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,359 Speaker 2: and he's going to be out, and that is terrifying. 168 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: They don't keep dangerous people locked up, you know, at 169 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: least when he's done with his prison time, put him 170 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: in an institution. 171 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 172 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. You know, there are so many 173 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: people out there who say, well, there's people will get 174 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: better in prison, there's redemption. But if you clearly show 175 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: signs that you are not redeemed that you are continuing 176 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: to go after someone, And isn't it illegal to continue 177 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: to harass and stalk someone? Wouldn't it be considered continued 178 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: stalking if he is sending you these letters? And based 179 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: on what you've said, the letters are pretty disgusting. 180 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 2: Yes it is. And he was actually convicted of federal stalking, 181 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: but you know, the penalties are not severe enough and 182 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: he's still going to be released. So basically, what I'm 183 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: going to have to do is go and sign up 184 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: for the address confidentiality program that's offered through the Tennessee 185 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: Secretary of State's office and basically have to try to hide. 186 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: And so many times these victims of stalking, that's what 187 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: they have to do. And it's very disturbing to me 188 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: that I would have to completely change and rearrange my 189 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: life and have to hide when I haven't done anything wrong. 190 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: He is the person that has done wrong. 191 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: Right, the victim continues to be a victim of these people. 192 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: They continued to go after you. So, I mean, you're 193 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: from Tennessee. We saw the school shooting in Tennessee recently 194 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: of the trans shooter that had the manifesto. We don't 195 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: know what was in that but we know, I mean, 196 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: we're pretty certain that this was premeditated, that this was planned, 197 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: that there was in this person's mind some reason for 198 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: them to go after this school. I mean, not so 199 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: different from the situation of obsessing, whether it was obsessing 200 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: over someone you wanted to whatever he was going to 201 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: do with you. I guess in his mind some sort 202 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: of sick, twisted love that he had for you, but 203 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: still an obsession, I would say in the case of 204 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: the school shooting, it was also somewhat of an obsen 205 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: And you would argue that the teachers also deserve to 206 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: be able to protect themselves. You've been in support of 207 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: arming teachers in the past, have you not. 208 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,239 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. 209 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: And Governor Lee in Tennessee he recently signed a law 210 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: that said that teachers could be allowed to carry weapons 211 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: in the classroom. 212 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's totally voluntary. No one is forcing teachers 213 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: to carry a gun. And you know, they have to 214 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 2: go through forty hours of firearms training with law enforcement, 215 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: they have to go through a psychological evaluation, they have 216 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: to have their advanced handgun carry permit, and they have 217 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: to be approved by the principal and local law enforcement 218 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: before they are able to do that. So it's not 219 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: just hey, I'm a teacher, so I want to carry. No, 220 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: you have to go through an entire process. You have 221 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 2: to be vetted, and I absolutely support that because look, 222 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: when someone comes into a school and their mind is 223 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: on a high body back count, which is what happens, 224 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: that's what these evil people want. They want to be remembered, 225 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: they want to be in the media, they want the 226 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: news to cover it, and they know if they get 227 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: a higher body back count, then they will be all 228 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: over the news and they will be famous. Unfortunately, that's 229 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 2: what the media does. They make them famous, and these 230 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: evil people know it. I mean, look, just because they're 231 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: evil doesn't mean they're stupid. And they also realize that 232 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: what better place to get a higher body back count 233 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: than a gun free zone. That's why they continue to 234 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: choose schools and other gun free zones. Ninety four percent 235 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: of mass public shootings occur in gun free zones, but 236 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: you never hear about it because the media never wants 237 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: to talk about it. 238 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: But with that statistic out there, why is it, why 239 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: aren't there more people on the other side saying, Okay, 240 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: tried this, it didn't work. Because The reality is that 241 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: everybody thinks that they have the solution, but so far 242 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: there has not been a solution yet to figuring out 243 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: when someone is going to premeditate a crime. I mean, 244 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: we don't have what was it the show where they 245 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: could find out whether or not somebody was going to 246 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: commit a crime beforehand. We can't actually do that. This 247 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: is ridiculous, the idea that they think, well, if we 248 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: take away anybody's ability to protect themselves in a certain area, 249 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: then we are going to end up keeping everybody safe. 250 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: Then how can they not just I said many times 251 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: when I was on a campaign trail, these are sitting 252 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: duck zones. In the state of Michigan, for example, the 253 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: state Police came out with a long report on how 254 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: to protect our kids, and one of the ways to 255 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: protect our kids was to have security on campus that 256 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: could take down a shooter. And yet that has not 257 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: been implemented. In fact, the governor has done nothing with 258 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: that report because I believe that she is too afraid 259 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: to come out and say, well, the state police have 260 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: said that the best way to protect kids is to 261 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: have somebody on campus that could take that shooter out, 262 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: because they are unable to say that there are times 263 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: when someone with a weapon has to take down someone 264 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: else with a weapon, and the reality of their argument 265 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: of we're going to get rid of all guns, We're 266 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: just going to take all guns off the street, It's impossible. 267 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: That's never going to happen. I mean that is it's 268 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: just a lie that they sell to get elected. It 269 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with reality. And I would argue 270 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: that the people who are creating this falsehood that you 271 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: can eventually take all guns off the street and everybody's 272 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: just going to live in La la land, those are 273 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: the ones who are putting kids in danger every single 274 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: day because they refuse to come up with a real 275 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: solution to the problem. 276 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: I agree, keeping good law abiding people from being able 277 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: to carry for their own self defense and for the 278 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: defense of their loved ones does nothing to stop bad, 279 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: evil people with guns. 280 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: Right, you've been speaking out on this for the last 281 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: fifteen years. What have you heard from the other side 282 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: when you say, Hey, we need to be able to 283 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: have women protect themselves in public women need to be 284 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: able to carry and protect themselves in public places. What's 285 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: the other side saying to you. 286 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: Oh, you know, you've always got the people just like 287 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: you said that are like, well, if there were no guns, 288 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: then we wouldn't have these problems. Look in other countries 289 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: where they have banned guns, crime rates have gone up. 290 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: Evil people find a way. They just do. They will 291 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: knife you to death, they will choke you to death, 292 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: they will beat you to death, they will run you 293 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: over with the car, they will create a bomb. Evil 294 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: people that they will find a way. And the gun. 295 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: As far as protecting women, that is a huge equalizer 296 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: for a female. I mean, let's face it, physically, we 297 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: are just not as strong as your average male. We 298 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: just aren't. And your job is to keep that man 299 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: who wants to harm you away from you, right, You 300 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: don't ever want him to get up on you. And 301 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: that's the point of carrying the gun, to keep him 302 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: away from you and stop the threat if need be legally. 303 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 304 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. Well, let's talk about your experience 305 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: a little bit, because you said you didn't know until 306 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: afterward that he was actually stalking you. Is there something 307 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: now that you look back that you've learned that there 308 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: are signs you should be watching for. Because I think 309 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: that I'm a mom of four girls. I think the 310 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: people listening out there they have daughters or there, you know, 311 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: women themselves that are always wondering is there something I 312 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: should be concerned about? What were the signs? How do 313 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: you know if you have this happening? Because you said 314 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: you weren't aware until the devastating murder of your husband. 315 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: Actually I was aware right before. Okay, yeah, I was 316 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: aware that night and I asked management to remove him, 317 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 2: and when they proceeded to ask him to leave is 318 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: when he carried out the crime. You know, I would 319 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: tell females to really pay attention to what is being 320 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: said to them and how much attention is being paid 321 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: to them. If you follow your gut, if you feel 322 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: like something is not quite right here, I would listen 323 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 2: to your gut. I remember feeling that like, there's something 324 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: not quite right with this guy, and he's showing me 325 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 2: a little bit too much attention. Really listen to that 326 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: and stay on guard. Obviously, don't go walking by yourself 327 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: somewhere if that person is around, or you know, if 328 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 2: you are concerned, make sure to have a friend with you. 329 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: Pay attention to your surrounding. Situational awareness is incredibly important 330 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: even if you have a gun and carry a gun 331 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: for your own self defense, you've really got to pay 332 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: attention to what is going on around you. 333 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: And you said, these guys like to be famous. You 334 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: don't say the name of the person who did this 335 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: to you because you don't believe that there should be 336 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: any attention on these folks. When you see these mass 337 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: shootings at colleges or high schools, and you see that 338 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: they keep flashing the picture up, what would be your 339 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: recommendation in those cases. 340 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: I understand that the public obviously wants to know who 341 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: did this horrible thing, and I think there's a fine 342 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: balance between informing the public and just going on and 343 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: on and on and plastering the person's picture everywhere and 344 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: making them famous. That's what they want. Stop giving them 345 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: what they want, take away the incentive from them. I 346 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: think that's part of the problem. There are some really sick, evil, 347 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 2: or mentally ill people out there, and sometimes it's all 348 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 2: of the above, and they want the attention, and you 349 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: can't give that to them. I think it's a real 350 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: problem that no one seems to want to talk about 351 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 2: in the media. You know, let's face it, it's the 352 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: media they want exactly they want, you know, to have 353 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 2: higher viewership. But I think it's a real problem in 354 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: our country where we are we're incentivizing these people. 355 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: Well, and we asked for the manifesto from the Nashville 356 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: school shooter. Didn't get that. But you get all of 357 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: the information about her name, her background, everything that happened 358 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: in her life. And we're supposed to feel bad for 359 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: the shooter, but we don't know anything about why, what 360 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: motivated them to do this. I think that parents across 361 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: the country for a long time have said, hey, wait 362 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: a minute, I'm a little bit worried that my child 363 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: is stuck in the sitting duck zone. And that's where 364 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: I would call on politicians who can change these laws 365 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: to come out and speak. And I think it's important 366 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: for us as parents to push them and say, hey, 367 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: wait a minute, now, you know this isn't this isn't working. 368 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: What was the statistic you put out there, that was 369 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: the number of the percentage of mass shootings in a 370 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: gun free zone. Ninety four percent of mass shootings occur 371 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: in a gun free zone. To me, that is shocking 372 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: that we don't have more people standing up and saying 373 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: enough is enough. We need to if this is where 374 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: they're happening, get rid of that. Make sure they don't 375 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: know who's going to stop them. And I don't even 376 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: think that it should be about, you know, clearly marked 377 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: people who are standing at the door with a gun saying, 378 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: because everybody says, I don't want my kid going into 379 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: a war zone. I don't want my kid walking past 380 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: someone with a gun, they don't have to the fact 381 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: that the shooter doesn't know the shooter doesn't know who's 382 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: going to stop them at the door, because right now, 383 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: you are right, every one of those people goes, hey, 384 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: I can go into this school. No one's going to 385 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: stop me. It's going to take this long for the 386 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: police to get there. That's the only stop for me 387 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: is when the police drive this many minutes to get 388 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: to the school. So I am free to do whatever 389 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: I want and that's school until those cops get there, 390 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: because no one's going to stop me. So what if 391 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: we just changed that, What if we get rid of 392 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: these gun free zones. Hey, maybe we just see how 393 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: that goes for a few years and see how these 394 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: people don't They don't feel comfortable anymore. They don't say, 395 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: oh gosh, I have nobody coming after me. Maybe, just maybe, 396 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: if they don't know who's at the door with a 397 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: gun to take them out, they won't be coming in there. 398 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: But I also believe that this goes much deeper than 399 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: whether or not people are going to stop someone with 400 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: a gun. I'd like to know exactly what kind of 401 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: medications these people are on, what they're like, life has been. 402 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: Why aren't we doing comparisons of all of these shooters 403 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: because a lot of them have similar stories, And I 404 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: just think that there's a lot more information there that 405 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: we are not getting us the public, and we should 406 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: be fighting harder because these are our kids, These are 407 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: our loved ones, these are our spouses, and we need 408 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: to know what is happening with these people. What is 409 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: the full background story so we can prepare to protect 410 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: our loved ones. 411 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: I agree, and you know, I believe in the element 412 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 2: of surprise. Teachers who conceal carry It's like you said, 413 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: the bad guy won't know who is carrying and who 414 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: is not. I believe the element of surprise is extremely 415 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: important in helping defend the lives of others, especially So. 416 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: Why have these gun free zones? Why do these Democrat 417 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: politicians push so hard for gun free zones if they 418 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: have these statistics, because there is no question in my 419 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: mind that they have these statistics, they are well aware 420 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: that the majority of men shootings happen where no one 421 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: can stop them. Let's just be honest about this. It's 422 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: not a gun free zone. This is a place where 423 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: no one is coming to stop you. If you walk 424 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: in with a gun, you're the only bad guy there. 425 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: You're the only person with a weapon. So why are 426 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: people defending these gun free zones. This is some sort 427 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: of sick and twisted thing because every time there's a 428 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: school shooting, they can come out and say, oh, the 429 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: bad Republicans who support the Second Amendment are the reason 430 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: that this is happening, when in reality, they know the 431 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: reason this is happening is because they have set these 432 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: kids up in a situation where they have no protection. 433 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we have a real problem in our country with 434 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: mental health. We don't have the resources, we don't have 435 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 2: the facilities to deal with these issues anymore. We don't 436 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 2: have the money. Our money is being sent elsewhere when 437 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: our money, I feel like, needs to stay here and 438 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 2: help in our own country with their own crime problems. 439 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: We don't have the mental healthacilities that we once did. 440 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: Maybe that, I mean, this sounds crazy, but maybe that's 441 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: the whole plan. I mean, as I watch all these 442 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: students that are funded to destroy college graduations, to go 443 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: out there and start doing their five times a day 444 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: prayers and all of these discussions about killing all the 445 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: Jews and death to America, I start to wonder if 446 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: all of that money going other places is actually the plan, 447 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: because who is funding this? Why is there no investigation 448 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: into this? And what's going to happen with those protests? 449 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: Because I feel like as we see this expanding and 450 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: expanding to our students, this mental health issue, which I believe. 451 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: I mean when I see some of these kids that 452 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: are interviewed on campus, these are mental health issues. These 453 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: are people that are being pulled into the worst possible 454 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: scenario because they are vulnerable. What happened? How did they 455 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: get there? How is this funded? Does this go to 456 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: big pharma? Does this go to Democrats? It's coming through 457 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: Act Blue, so it must be going to Democrats. And 458 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: I just see that this is going to be a 459 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: bigger and bigger problem. So I appreciate what you're saying, 460 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: but I got to say where the money is going 461 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: makes me think that it leads back a lot to 462 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: these situations and issues that get democrats elected. To give 463 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: democrats more power, I would agree. So let's talk about 464 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,239 Speaker 1: your book, because I want to get to that it 465 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: is Stalked and Defenseless. Tell us about the book, tell 466 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: us where we can get it, tell us who you 467 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: think should be reading it. 468 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: Sure, my book is Stalked and Defenseless, and you can 469 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 2: find that at Amazon and also Barnes and Noble online. 470 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: I believe that the person that needs to read this 471 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: book is any female who is concerned for her safety. 472 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: And you know, fathers, brothers, uncles, anyone, husbands, anyone who 473 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 2: is concerned about a significant female in their life and 474 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: is concerned for their safety and wants them to have 475 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: better situational awareness. I would recommend this book for them. 476 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: And does this go through how to protect yourself like 477 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: how to get to those trainings, how to self defense, 478 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: all of that. 479 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: It does speak to some of that. Yes, it mostly 480 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: explains what I went through and hopefully influence others to 481 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: take their safety very seriously and do what you begin 482 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: to protect themselves and their loved ones. 483 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a different world than what we grew 484 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: up in, or maybe we just hear more about what 485 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: the dangers are out there. But now that we know, 486 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: it's so important to educate yourself, make sure that you 487 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: are safe, but also as we're raising girls, to make 488 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: sure those girls understand that there really are true dangers 489 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: out there. There really are bad people out there, and 490 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: you do have to be aware of it. I think 491 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I think I heard you quoted saying, you 492 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: know there were younger waitresses, there were other women there. 493 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't know why he chose me, And that's something 494 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: that we don't necessarily, you know, we get so wrapped 495 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: up in what's happening around us. Oh well, she talks 496 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: to all the guys, she's this, she's that. It's not 497 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: gonna happen to me. You were surprised it happened to you, 498 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: but it could happen to anyone. You were always traveling 499 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: with your husband, correct, correct? 500 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: My husband was always with me, yes. 501 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: So it just goes to show you have to be 502 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: incredibly aware of your surroundings. Nikki. I am so sorry 503 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: for your loss, and I just think what you've been 504 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: able to do with that situation to educate other people 505 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: to come out on behalf of our safety and women's 506 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: safety and the safety of our children. It has been 507 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: just so amazing to watch. 508 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, I really appreciate it. And if your 509 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: audience would like additional information on crime data in the 510 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 2: US elsewhere, you can go to crimeresearch dot org. 511 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: Okay, wonderful, and make sure you check out the book. 512 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: It is Stalked and Defenseless on Amazon by Nicki Goser. 513 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being on here today. 514 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: Nikki, Thank you, Tutor. 515 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it absolutely, and thank you all for 516 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode 517 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: and others. Go to Tutor diixonpodcast dot com. 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