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Speaker 1: Welcome to the John and Ken Show. We have another

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Speaker 1: one of these reports out, and the Associated Press has

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Speaker 1: done a long story about fraud and in particular pandemic

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Speaker 1: relief money that started in twenty twenty under President Trump

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Speaker 1: and continued into Joe Biden's administration. This new number, we're

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Speaker 1: going to get into the details of it because the

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Speaker 1: headlines are talking about more than two hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 1: from two major pandemic relief programs. My guest is Bob Westbrooks,

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Speaker 1: a former executive director of the Federal Pandemic Response Accountability Committee.

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Speaker 1: It's a watchdog group, and he also has a new book,

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Speaker 1: Left Holding the Bag, a watchdog's account of how Washington

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Speaker 1: fumbled its COVID test. Bob Westbrooks, Welcome to the Johnny

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Speaker 1: Ken Show.

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Speaker 3: Hey Ken, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Now let's start with this because it looks it's confusing

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Speaker 1: to me. There were so many programs, especially when it

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Speaker 1: two hundred billion represent in fraud.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there were a lot of programs. There were

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Speaker 3: about four hundred and twenty different federal programs that distributed

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Speaker 3: pandemic aid. So the report that was out today is

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Speaker 3: from the Small Business Administration Office of Inspector General. They

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Speaker 3: had oversight over one of the largest portfolios in the

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Speaker 3: federal government. A lot of people know about the paycheck

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Speaker 3: Protession program, and then there was a parallel program called

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Speaker 3: the Economic Injury Disaster Loan. It was disaster loans for folks.

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Speaker 3: And the report out today is just our latest estimate

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Speaker 3: where the Inspector General is estimating that two hundred billion

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Speaker 3: dollars from those programs were lost to fraud. That does

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Speaker 3: not include a probably hundreds of billions in the federal

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Speaker 3: and state unemployment insurance programs that have been reported about

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Speaker 3: multiple times in all states, and I know California in

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Speaker 1: How did they come up with these with these estimates,

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Speaker 1: I mean they've got to be pretty broad. And what

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Speaker 1: percentage of the total money spent are we're talking about here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. It's very difficult to get

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Speaker 3: these estimates, and we're going to be at the Inspector

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Speaker 3: long time. Right. To have a real precise answer, you

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Speaker 3: really need to have criminal prosecutions or audits. And there's

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Speaker 3: millions of loans that went out, so it literally would

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Speaker 3: So you're going to see that number getting larger larger

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Speaker 3: about seventeen percent overall, but it's of one of those programs,

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Speaker 3: a disaster loan program I mentioned, it's about thirty three percent,

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Speaker 3: is what there the IG is estimating was lost to fraud.

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Speaker 1: When you hear that, Bob, you think that there was

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Speaker 1: really no safeguards at all. I mean, that's a really

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Speaker 3: It's an unacceptably high percentage of fraud. A lot of

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Speaker 3: that was in the early days, and what I detail

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Speaker 1: Was it a lot of foreign operators, I mean a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. What I have seen

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Speaker 3: We also had experienced fraudsters that you know, these are

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Speaker 3: forty five million Americans. Personal information was stolen, and that

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Speaker 3: stolen information ended up on the dark web, and it

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Speaker 3: was monetized, and you had people from all over the

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Speaker 3: personal information file acclaim from anywhere in the globe on

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Speaker 3: some of the programs, and in fact they did. Then

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Speaker 3: we organized groups and individual actors took advantage of our programs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, part of the title of your book

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Speaker 1: is how Washington fumbled its COVID test. We know here

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Speaker 1: in California when the pandemic hit, I'm just talking now

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Speaker 1: far too long, and it made it far too easy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you probably know, Bob, in California, prisoners were

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Can I detail a story in the book. This

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Speaker 3: unemployment insurance agency. Her husband was actually serving time during

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Speaker 3: this moment in history for aggravated identity theft, and he

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Speaker 3: filed on unemployed insurance claims with the state, which she

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Speaker 3: is a contractor. As a former convicts. She actually proved

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Speaker 3: the claims and they passed through. So it was all

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Speaker 1: And of course there were so many stories of people

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another great point, and we examined that and

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Speaker 3: The fraudsters that knew what they were doing, hit it quick.

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Speaker 3: adjudicate again and remember we're in lock it down in

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Speaker 3: forty three states in America, right. I mean this was

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Speaker 3: It's one of the points I'm making the book is

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Speaker 1: And back to the fraudsters, how much of this might

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Speaker 1: we recover? I mean, you have the dopey person that

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Speaker 3: It's hard to say. I mean, the definition of a lot,

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Speaker 3: probably the best win for federal law enforcement that I

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Speaker 3: The Secret Service, working with the Inspector Minerals, covered thirty

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you're right. The most part fraudsters that stole money,

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Speaker 3: they don't. They don't steal it necessarily to invest it

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Speaker 3: you know, during a global pandemic dropping two hundred K

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Speaker 1: Bob, thank you so much for talking to me.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it absolutely, Ken, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Bob Westbrooks a former executive director of the Federal Pandemic

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Speaker 1: Response Accountability Committee, and he's got a book that just

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Speaker 1: came out. Left holding the bag of Watchdog's account of

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Speaker 1: how Washington fumbled its COVID test. As we are still

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Speaker 1: three years plus later trying to add up how much

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Speaker 1: COVID eight money that was put out there. John and

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Speaker 1: Dave Gregory's going to join me now to talk about

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Speaker 1: this story which California has about ninety thousand police officers,

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Speaker 1: but thousands could be decertified or suspended under a new

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Speaker 1: state law which might catch a lot of listeners by surprise.

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Speaker 1: Steve to find out what this is, and so you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was centate bill too, is how it was

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. And this comes on the heels of

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Speaker 2: George Floyd incident of twenty twenty That's what I figured, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you might be suspended for it, but not necessarily

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Speaker 1: And these police officer officers they're deemed to be dangerous.

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Speaker 1: So is this going to come all at once or

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Speaker 1: Because this is unprecedented.

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Speaker 2: We've never really had anything like this before now post

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Speaker 1: Well, you and I we've talked about this before. The

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Speaker 1: So how are police departments responding to this because they

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Speaker 1: All Right, Steve, thank you very much for that report.

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Speaker 1: All right, Steve Gregory, KFI News. On this new law

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Speaker 1: it is possible that we may have three thousand to

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Speaker 1: As usual, we cycle so badly from the point where

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Speaker 1: Well, we are going to talk now about a website

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Speaker 1: A Fentanyl Solution dot Org was mentioned in here. The

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Speaker 2: The Senate Public Safety Committee refuses to consider any law

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Speaker 1: So let's get them on here.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Hi, it's been hear me. Okay, I heard you breathing

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Speaker 7: This week is going to be a really interesting week though,

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Speaker 7: But we are taking it to the people. If they

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, we followed that story you talk about, Jennison.

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Speaker 7: SB forty four. It's a bipartisan bill. If it was

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Speaker 7: By now, it would have passed. They had twenty one

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm suspicious because the Democratic leadership intentionally

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Speaker 2: want any anti fensonal legislation. They just happened to be

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Speaker 2: on the committee. Boy oh boy, how did that happen?

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Speaker 7: Right? Right?

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Speaker 2: You know, really cynical about it. I think they put

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Speaker 2: those people on purpose, and everybody else says, oh no,

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Speaker 2: I'm for it. I mean, it's the committee that's against it,

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Speaker 2: but I'm for it. But they know the committee's never

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Speaker 2: going to force them to.

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Speaker 1: Vote on it.

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Speaker 7: Well, hopefully our ballot measures that. Now they know it's coming,

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Speaker 7: Hopefully that will give them some pressure from the public

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Speaker 7: to do something because the publics want to want this

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Speaker 7: in the majority, and of course you're going to have

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Speaker 7: some people that are going to be against it, but

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Speaker 7: we're for the majority. It makes sense if someone kills someone,

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Speaker 7: they should go to jail.

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Speaker 1: What specifically is in your proposition.

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Speaker 7: Well, this is the thing. We have to do a

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Speaker 7: poll first, and that's what we initiated. We already started

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Speaker 7: the poll. We have the questions where our board will

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Speaker 7: approve it on May second, and then the poll will

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Speaker 7: go out to eight hundred Californias and the poll will

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Speaker 7: will write the legislation. And the purpose is to get

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Speaker 7: stronger laws, longer penalties for drug dealers who kill with fentanel.

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Speaker 7: So it will be written accordingly to the poll. But

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Speaker 7: that's the ultimate goal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because what we heard from the Public Safety Committee

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Speaker 1: Janis was that, oh, while the war on drugs doesn't work,

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Speaker 1: and putting people in prison just because they and they

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Speaker 1: may not know that they're dealing a drug with fentanyl,

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Speaker 1: because sometimes they're just the middle man. We heard all

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Speaker 1: these excuses.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, let me address that. First of all, the

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Speaker 7: world has changed dramatically since the war and drugs, just

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Speaker 7: the Internet all by itself made. There's a whole different monster.

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Speaker 7: I have a paper that's coming out that says exactly

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Speaker 7: that this is not the War on drugs, the sentinel crisis.

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Speaker 7: And in addition to that, you can't you just can't.

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Speaker 7: First of all, you just can't use that as an

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Speaker 7: excuse anymore, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, because I don't care if they know whether the

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Speaker 2: fentanyl was in a specific pill or not.

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Speaker 1: We know it's very prevalent.

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Speaker 2: We know, yeah, they may know, and we know it's

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Speaker 2: very prevalent. So if you're going around selling illegal pills

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Speaker 2: to kids.

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Speaker 1: You should be everybody.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I would pass a resolution that says,

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Speaker 2: here's the official warning to all drug pushers. They're spent

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Speaker 2: in in a lot of pills. Now you know, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you've been notified as of this moment.

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Speaker 7: And here's the thing. No one knows their industry better

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Speaker 7: than they do. They can tell us about their indie.

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Speaker 7: So for them to use that as an excuse is

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Speaker 7: no excuse. It's hard maybe to approve in court, but

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Speaker 7: you shouldn't have to be proven at this point they

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Speaker 7: poisoned someone. We didn't have these kind of numbers with

494
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Speaker 7: the War on drugs. We didn't have overdoses happen like that.

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Speaker 7: You still have crack users around from the War on drugs.

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Speaker 7: We're not going to have any of these people around.

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Speaker 7: None of the teams who are experimenting for the first time,

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Speaker 7: so many have died with the first pill. The DEA

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Speaker 7: has a whole slogan called one pill Can kill, because

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Speaker 7: it does.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's heartbreaking about it. It just seems to

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Speaker 2: me my opinion, looking at the kids who get caught

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Speaker 2: up in this, that most of them are are pretty decent, right,

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Speaker 2: they're not troublemakers. But kids get curious, they're hardly influenced

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Speaker 2: by social media, and they see somebody offering a cheap

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Speaker 2: high on social media, so they try out a pill

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Speaker 2: to see if it's fun, right, they probably heard their

508
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Speaker 2: friends doing it, and then they take the deadly one

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Speaker 2: and then that's it. And I don't know how anybody

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Speaker 2: be be against stopping that.

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Speaker 7: Well, let me give you a little more detail about that.

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Speaker 7: So your kid gets on a social media platform, usually

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Speaker 7: Snapchat has been named as the biggest social media platform

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Speaker 7: that has been guilty of not doing much of anything

515
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Speaker 7: to protect children that to get the drugs, so they'll

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Speaker 7: get involved with a drug dealer. They'll then the drug

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Speaker 7: dealer will follow them and groom them until they buy

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Speaker 7: a pill. Then they'll use Venmo cash app or a

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Speaker 7: parent's credit card get the pill. Guess how it gets

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Speaker 7: to your house? To uber eats, rub Hub, those delivery

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Speaker 7: services that usually deliver food. They don't know they're delivering

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Speaker 7: it that. Yeah, they just know if they're taking a

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Speaker 7: package from point A to point B. They don't know

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Speaker 7: what's in it. They don't. And you can if your

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Speaker 7: child can have a deadly lethal drug in their hand

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Speaker 7: in undernour.

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Speaker 2: Right, Wow, that's it's pretty easy. I just and I

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Speaker 2: just love how the executives that run Snapchat and all

529
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Speaker 2: the rest of them, they just have absolutely no conscience.

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Speaker 2: They don't care how their system is being used in

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Speaker 2: abused doesn't matter to them.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 7: They claim that the child has privacy rights.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right's right. The right to die, yeah, the right

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Speaker 1: to take take a bad pill and die.

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Speaker 7: Well, they have the nerve, well, drill pick. They have

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Speaker 7: the nerve to be sponsoring the fentanyl awareness campaign that's

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Speaker 7: coming for Fentanyl Awareness Day on the tenth, but not

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Speaker 7: doing much of anything.

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Speaker 1: Snapchat is sponsoring the awareness campaign.

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Speaker 7: Isn't that isn't that nice?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh wow.

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Speaker 2: Their their psycho Everything is manipulative and cynical and they

544
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Speaker 2: just everything's about fooling people. Everything is about public relations,

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 1: Jannie will keep us posted as you move towards the

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Speaker 1: ballot measures, so especially what you find out with your polling.

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Speaker 1: And we'd love to talk to you again.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is Janus the last president and CEO of Fentanyl

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Speaker 1: Solution dot org. You can go there Fentanyl Solution dot

552
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: org to find out a lot more of what they're

553
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Speaker 1: doing to affect some sort of approach to the fentanyl crisis,

554
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Speaker 1: especially here in California with the overdose is there some

555
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Speaker 1: good charts to show you just how much overdose deaths

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Speaker 1: by fetnyl have grown in the state and the public.

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Speaker 1: The Safety Committee and the state legislature doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: do anything about this. They just put up a roadblock.

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Speaker 1: Although we will be following the hearings that are coming

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Speaker 1: up this week dealing with a number of bills that

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Speaker 1: they've agreed to hear in a special hearing. Johnny Ken

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Speaker 1: I Am six forty were live everywhere the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 4: AM six forty.

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Speaker 1: Right now we're going to talk about maybe it's one

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Speaker 1: of dever Mark's favorite clothing companies. I'm not sure. Lululema.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not my favorite, but I do. I do

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Speaker 6: have some of the workout I like their leggings a lot.

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Speaker 1: Weren't they one of the first with the yoga pants?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those kind of it's an athletic brand. You and

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Speaker 1: Eric Arceti both well they are. They're expensive, but they

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Speaker 1: fit well. Do we ever actually see gar Citi and

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Speaker 1: yoga pants or we just decided that they would work

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Speaker 1: on him? I don't even know anymore. So long Well, actually,

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Speaker 1: I feel like maybe you said it because you saw

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Speaker 1: a picture or you knew something, But I don't like,

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Speaker 1: somebody here made a life size yeah wearing Lulu lemons.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't have photo shopping. I might have been taken

581
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Speaker 2: from real life. Well, down in Atlanta, he was topless too,

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Speaker 2: and of course shoplifting is a problem all around the country.

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Speaker 2: Down in Atlanta, a couple of people went into a

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Speaker 2: Lulu Lemon and started taking stuff off the shelves and

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Speaker 2: heading out the door. Well, two female workers decided to

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Speaker 2: confront them.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Ferguson and Rachel Rodgers. They were fired. Does that

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Speaker 1: shock you. They have a policy at Lululemon you do

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Speaker 1: not confront and you do not challenge looters because it's

590
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Speaker 1: just stuff. It's not Yes, it's not safe. It could

591
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Speaker 1: be could be very un safe. But you gotta feel

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Speaker 1: sympathetic because we're all feeling this now. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I don't think they should watching people just walk out

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Speaker 1: of stores with stuff and nobody does anything. So you

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Speaker 1: got these two women trying to save some of the

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Speaker 1: merchandise for their bosses and just standing up for what's right,

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Speaker 1: which nobody. I think that's what it was. I think

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Speaker 1: they're just like, this is enough, I'm going to try

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Speaker 1: something here. And apparently she just said, why don't you

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Speaker 1: just turn around and walk out, and they ignored her,

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Speaker 1: and then at another point she said something like seriously,

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Speaker 1: get out of the store, and the response was chill,

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Speaker 1: be word and shut your bleep up. And I says

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Speaker 1: that the women walked outside and watched as the looters

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Speaker 1: stowed away their stolen clothing and escaped in their car.

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Speaker 1: They notified the police of the incident, but that they

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Speaker 1: were fired because they interfered in some way.

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Speaker 6: Lemon should be proud of their ploys. That they that

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Speaker 6: they were upset that somebody was stealing the merchandise.

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Speaker 1: It's not like they own it.

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Speaker 2: These are heroines. This this weasel CEO Calvin McDonald.

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Speaker 1: He does look ten. It's only merchandise.

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Speaker 2: He said, we have a zero tolerance policy, and we

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Speaker 2: train our educators on around engaging during a theft.

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Speaker 1: What the hell does that mean? Educators? You're selling yoga pants?

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Speaker 7: See?

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Speaker 1: Is that what they call people that work in Lulu

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Speaker 1: Lemon story? Educators?

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Speaker 2: We train our educators on around engaging. I mean, why

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Speaker 2: do corporate people talk like such weasels? Nobody normal talks

621
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Speaker 2: this way. Of course he'd have a stupid policy like

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Speaker 2: this and and turn turn the two women into the enemy.

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Speaker 2: They're they're the ones who did something wrong, right. He

624
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Speaker 2: doesn't say anything about the looters. He's upset about his

625
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Speaker 2: employees that are trying to stop the robbery. But we

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Speaker 2: train our educators and engaged on not engaging during a threat.

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Speaker 1: And that's where it's really upside down. The story's now

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Speaker 1: focused on the two poor women that tried to stop

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Speaker 1: these idiot shoplifters. And this guy says, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand by firing them because they violated company policy.

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Speaker 1: What about everybody walking out the door with all your

632
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Speaker 1: yoga pants, Well, you know that's something for the police

633
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Speaker 1: to handle. Well, obviously the police are overwhelmed on this issue.

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Speaker 1: Pes shop. That thing's not considered here's a big crime.

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Speaker 2: Here's Calvin's a big idea. First of all, he says,

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Speaker 2: it's only merchandise.

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Speaker 1: That's good to know.

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Speaker 2: So I guess everybody ought to go into Lululemin and

639
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Speaker 2: steal something.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't bother the CEO.

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Speaker 2: He goes, it's only merchandise, and they're supposed to scan

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Speaker 2: a QR code to alert management about what's happened.

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Speaker 1: And that's that. He said.

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Speaker 2: We've been told not to put it in any notes

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Speaker 2: because that might scare other people.

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Speaker 1: We're not supposed to call the police. We're not really.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to talk about it. They're trained to step back,

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Speaker 2: let the theft occur. Know that there's technology and there's cameras,

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Speaker 2: and we're working with law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: That's been effective so far, hasn't I don't even understand.

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Speaker 2: We're not told not to put it in any notes

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Speaker 2: because that might scare other people.

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Speaker 1: What does that even mean? I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 2: He said, they knowingly broke the rule, including following them

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Speaker 2: out of the store. The policy is to protect them,

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Speaker 2: but we have to stay and behind the policy to

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Speaker 2: enforce it.

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Speaker 1: Gee. Now, one quick note. California State Senate just passed

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Speaker 1: a bill that would prohibit companies from forcing their employees

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Speaker 1: to confront shoplifters. I don't know that that's going on,

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Speaker 1: but we're kind of going in the opposite direction. Nobody

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Speaker 1: forces you, I don't think so. Oh maybe there is

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Speaker 1: a couple of cases where there's some guy that lectures

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Speaker 1: as his workers, you better stop that shoplifter. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know that there is. But what's that word you

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Speaker 1: use to describe him educators? No? No, no, Calvin McDonald's

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Speaker 1: the ceo. Uh yeah, it gets a good word. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna I just took a look at him. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to Blake Trolley when we come back. He's

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Speaker 1: not gonna stop a robbery. I'll tell you that. No,

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Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. About a new cleanup going on

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