WEBVTT - Ep 109: Orlando Weeks 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.840 I understood that question right till the end, like. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:10.360 Yeah, I went too far with it. Hello and welcome 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:15.000 to Midnight Chats, a podcast of casual interviews with leading musicians, 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:19.320 published weekly and midnight to suit these informal and often 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.639 under researched conversations. This week's episode is hosted by me 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:28.240 Stuart Stubbs, editor of Loud and Quiet magazine. Thank you 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.040 for joining me on tonight's episode of the podcast, where 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.520 my guest is Orlando Weeks, who, as luck would have it, 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.320 has released a brand new track today on the sixteenth 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.200 of June twenty twenty one. It's called Big Sky's Silly Faces, 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.320 and it's the first track to come from a new 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.000 solo album that will be out a little later this year. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.840 Now why we weren't allowed to go into too much 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.519 details about the album just yet, we did manage to 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.960 have a bit of a chat about it when Orlando 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.560 came by our office last month to record this episode. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.040 It was great to spare and a bit of time 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.800 with him and meet him properly. I'd met him briefly 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:08.560 as you'll hear, a very long time ago, but it 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:10.840 was great to actually sit down and also to just 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:12.760 be in a room with somebody. It's been a while 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.720 since we've been able to record Midnight Chat's face to face, 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.400 and hopefully this is a sign of things to come, 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.600 and it's getting back into a room with people because 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.840 it's always much more enjoyable and I think it's always 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.720 a much better listen as well. Orlando you will know, 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.160 of course, as the lead singer of the Maccabees, who 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.240 split up in twenty sixteen. But since then he's been 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:38.360 extremely busy writing and illustrating a book called The gritter Man, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.800 which he also wrote and recorded a solo album for. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.840 It's a beautifully melancholic Christmas story that's narrated by Paul 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.800 white House in the role of the gritter Man. You 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.560 can listen to it on streaming platforms and it can 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.279 make you feel quite sad, but it is beautiful as well. 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.560 After that came Orlando's first proper solo album, The Quickening, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.320 which he released during Lockdown last year in twenty twenty. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.280 Thank you to Orlando for taking the time and coming 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.040 by the office to record this episode of the podcast. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.120 Thank you to you for listening. I really love this one. 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.480 So here it is Orlando Weeks episode one hundred and 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:20.320 nine of Midnight Chats. This episode of Midnight Chat is 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:24.800 supported by Partisan Records, the independent label who have already 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:30.240 given us Idols Fontein's, DC, Laura Marlin, Femi Coutie, loads 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.040 of really great independent artists, and on the twenty fifth 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.239 of June they will give us another one. Maple Glider 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.560 is the Melbourne based singer songwriter Tory Zeitch whose debut 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.320 album is called to Enjoy is the Only Thing As 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.959 I say, It's out on June the twenty fifth. It 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.640 will be available on limited vinyl that will be pearly green. 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.200 There's also going to be a Dinked edition which will 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.640 be hand numbered on green and lime marble splattered vinyl, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.240 along with a photo print. If you're a fan of 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.200 Sharon Vanett and Kasma Coombs Bedin, if that's your kind 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.240 of thing, then Maple Glider is probably one for you 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.600 as well. Thank you to Partisan Records for supporting this 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:18.720 episode of Midnight Chats. End of the Week, how's your 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:19.200 week been? 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.239 It's been all right, it's been I'm trying to think. 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:29.280 I don't feel like I've done anything. No big grand 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.520 moments this week, but just ticking along. 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.080 I've been working on some music for for for a play, 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:38.960 and I've been doing lots of that, and I've been 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.320 doing just the beginnings of this beginning to talk about 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:44.960 new staff. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.560 Music and stuff. What can you tell me about the play? 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.280 Is that? Is that a play that you have devised. 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:55.840 Or No, it's it's a play that is at the 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.320 National Theater and I am writing some music for some 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.880 original music for it. And I went to I think 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:04.880 it was Monday. I went to the first read through 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.360 the first rehearsal, which I've never never been to anything 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.040 like that, and I loved it, and I felt so 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:15.640 part of something bigger. And I think seeing anyone, I mean, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.560 anytime you see people that are very good at what 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:23.359 they do, sort of in the raw just doing it 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:30.200 is pretty inspiring. And it makes you feel, I've really 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.920 minded about the music I've written for it, and sort 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.400 of qualifies that a little bit and also makes you 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.520 want to keep being part of it and keep being 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.279 sort of part of that process that they're all going through. 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:41.559 Now. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:42.599 Is it a big cast? 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.640 It felt big to me, I mean, but there's probably 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.400 maybe ten fifteen actors. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:50.800 So this was was this a table read? 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:51.920 So well? 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.440 I think maybe it would have been a table. There 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:55.599 would have been a table. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.560 In normal times, in normal times, right, but this was 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.719 more tables. Too dangerous right now. 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:07.040 Too dangerous for this theatrical read through. So everyone was 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.520 in the in the round and all laid out, and 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:14.200 it all felt very distanced and safe, but still just 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:21.359 hearing actors give lines that you've read. But suddenly it 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.560 all starts taking on a much more life. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:26.760 Yeah, I really enjoyed it. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:31.760 They were they acting their lines, they were acting because 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:36.000 that that sort of thing. I've said this before on 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.560 this podcast, and I swear to anyone listening, I haven't 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.600 got a problem with actors, but when I see people acting, 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.240 especially if they're not especially I guess if they're not 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.920 in costume or cartoon characters or cartoon characters. That's part 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.680 of me that kind of just tightens up when you 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.280 see them doing the bit and I think, but you're 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.400 not that person. Yeah, I can't suspend my disbelief. And 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.800 I studied drama. Okay, maybe this is it. Maybe it's 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.880 there's something in me it's embarrassed about my past and 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.359 the way knowing that that was me. There was a 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.800 terrible moment there was a terrible moment when I would 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:15.400 have been that person suddenly pretending reading from this script. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.600 Yeah there's something in it, but you didn't get that. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.160 You just were just in awe of it. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.200 And I would say that on the whole my freeze up. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.560 It's probably similar to yours. But I think if people 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.479 are doing it really well, I didn't get it anyway. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.960 I think also I was feeling quite fish out of water, 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:39.960 and maybe that helps with just going with the flow 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:40.480 a little bit. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.720 I didn't freeze up, and I thought, God, they're good 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:44.000 at this. 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:45.240 Yeah. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:46.640 I mean I remember getting off that. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.039 I got off the tube and I felt like I 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:54.080 had a real sort of sympathy panic that. Imagine to 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.280 be an actor that's going in for that first read. 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:57.200 Especially quite a lot of. 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.600 Them are quite young, I imagine, haven't done it lot. Maybe 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.200 this is their first thing at you know, the National Theater. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.760 It's big, old concrete monstrouss. I like it. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:07.400 I don't know why. 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:11.680 I good. But it's a huge institution, huge institution, the 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:12.160 big time. 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:13.800 And you're going in there and you're going to read, 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:14.760 you know, going. 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.600 To act, and weeks is going to be Yeah, there's 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:19.120 going to be this awkward man at the back. 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:24.640 Yeah, that's one of the reasons I didn't pursue acting. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.880 I mean while I was rubbish, but I could never 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.800 in a million years have dealt with the nerves of that, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.160 of the the rejection of it, of not getting the thing, 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.480 but also just the nerves of walking into that room. Awful. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.560 Oh, I don't know how. I genuinely don't know how they. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.560 Do how they do it? How How are you? How 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:48.360 are your nerves genuine? Do you some means very nervous? 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.040 Yeah most of the time. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:51.960 Yeah. Has that always been the case? 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:52.760 I think so. 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.760 I mean, lots of lots of musicians are aren't they 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.640 like you? You're in good company there. There are so 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.680 many singers and front people, I mean all musicians, but 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.880 people at the front who everybody thinks that the confident one, 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.960 sometimes the least confident in the group or whatever. I 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.040 think that's just a natural thing. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:16.240 I think, in a way, what is maybe not appealing, 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.840 but what you come to and maybe enjoys too strong 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.840 But what what what the sort of saving grace of 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.320 that is that you're nervous until or at least I 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:27.880 have felt nervous until. 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.320 Almost the day of the thing, because by then. 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.719 That the boulder is rolling and you're you know, I mean, 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:38.320 you're not going to stop it. You're too nervous to 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.400 try and divert it anyway, So it's happening. So then 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.800 so the kind of commitment that that kind of the 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.880 step off the cliff's been taken and that that is 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:49.959 then then it's kind of okay. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:54.960 So you see, your nerves don't evaporate once you're walking 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.320 onto a stage that the day before you're all right, 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:57.880 the day. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.600 Of it, I'm sort of all right. The morning. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.480 I'm committed to this and there's no going back, And 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.600 I remember, I think sometimes I feel the nerves creeping 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.439 in towards the end of the set, but I think 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.800 it's more adrenaline than anything, and just not being very 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.520 good at knowing how or you know, on a dream 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:24.000 or level, knowing how to compartmentalize that or push that 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:29.679 into kind of rousing hurrah, just the big fish. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:31.600 I just feel it. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.600 So I think maybe by that point in the show, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:35.640 people are there right like. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:36.600 I feel like they're not. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.079 Either way, Yeah, I suppose sometimes they're not, and you 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.679 and you feel this sudden responsibility of getting getting them 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.839 over the line on their way home, like, when was 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.840 the first time you sang in front of people? And 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.000 just how nervous you felt then, Like these actors who 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.040 were going into their read through, I. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.760 Remember thinking quite early on, I mean not on my own, 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:03.440 but really liking everyone's singing in assembly and is that 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.480 that's sort of slightly dodging the question. 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.640 Uh, that's singing in a group? 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:14.040 Yeah, okay, Well, then the first time was the first ever? 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:15.599 Would have been the first? 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.120 Like in front of when the first time we started 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.400 a band, or like the first time maccabee sat in 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:22.040 a room together. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.720 Well, I mean as someone who sings terribly, and that's 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.040 not modesty. I mean I am appalling. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.440 Can't sing, can't act, can't sing, can't act. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.280 That's why I turned to podcasting, as we were just 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:34.880 saying before we started, I hate the sound of my 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.160 own voice. So maybe this isn't my calling either, But 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.000 as somebone who can't sing, I like even singing in 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.880 front of a band, like if I was with I've 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:48.319 been in bands, bad bands, I wouldn't sing. Even singing 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.720 in front of a group of friends fills me with anxiety. 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:53.920 Singing in front of people, I mean, we're on another 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.720 level there. But are you would you have been when 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.920 you formed your first band? I mean, was your was 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.079 your first living for your first man? Okay, so the 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:02.680 first time you got in a room with those guys 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:07.720 and sang in front of them, what was that like? Well? 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.840 I did it kind of incrementally because I did it 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:12.560 with sort of. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:13.000 One of them. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.720 And then because there was only me and Rob to 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.840 begin with, Rob who was played drums originally, and so 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:21.680 I sung in front of him and that was kind 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.240 of all right. And then then I say in front 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.120 of him and Hugo and that's sort of all right, 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:28.800 and you know. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.640 So, and also no one else was going to do it. 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:31.760 So if I was going, if we were going to 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.840 do this, that happened someone to do it. Yeah. 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.960 There are so many bands where singers have been asked 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.000 have said no one else wanted to. Someone had to 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.280 step up and do this. Yeah, because I suppose lots 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.920 of people start bands when they're in that young and 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:52.360 cripplingly anxious state. Nobody wants to be the singer. No 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.240 one wants to put themselves out there. It's a big 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.080 deal of singing in front of people, I think at 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.400 any age. But especially if you're a teenager and you're 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.680 starting out. I think it's brave, man, I think it's 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:03.280 really brave. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.880 Well, that's very kind. I'll remind myself. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.600 Remind yourself. So where was the first Can you remember 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:10.720 what the first show was? 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:10.959 Then? 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:12.480 When it was the first show? 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:12.680 Was? 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.800 It wasn't Maybe it was on this No, it was 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.520 on this road. It was on Kings No, it was 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:21.560 it was it used to. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.040 Be called the Pleasure Unit, okay, and it was on 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:26.960 I think it was the Bethnal Green Road. So is 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.120 that the next one along from there? And it's now 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.760 called something like star something just next to the test 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:35.760 goes if it's still a testos. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:36.040 Was the pub there? 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:36.480 Yeah? 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:37.400 The pub on the corner? 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:38.120 Yeah? That? 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.760 And it was it was great. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.160 I mean just in terms of I mean in the 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.800 same way of as saying, you know, if no one's 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.640 going to sing, all right, I'll sing. I think I 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.240 felt so committed to the idea of just doing something 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.120 and if that's something, was this band, I'm going to 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.640 do this, and I'm going to make the flyers and 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.640 I'm going to you know, like all of that fun stuff. 0:12:58.600 --> 0:12:59.400 Doing the first gig. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.520 I didn't care I had no idea how it sounded, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:07.080 because the chaos of it was, you know, how. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:07.920 It sounded wasn't the point. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:09.440 The point was getting to the end of it and thinking, 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:14.960 we have we have carried all our crappy kit to here, 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.120 we have set it up, we have managed to get 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.280 through a sound check not knowing what it was, you know, 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.400 like we've got to the end of it, and then 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:28.720 all just sort of feeling the relief and the celebration 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.000 of achieving that it was a big deal for us, Like, 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:36.200 because I don't think we'd even We were all sort 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:37.520 of nineteen or something, so. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:39.560 I don't know. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.120 I mean, I hadn't really been to many I don't 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.840 think i'd been to many gigs in that kind of room, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.600 so I had not a huge amount to you know, 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.800 I'd been to some bigger, bigger concerts and stuff, and 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.000 so I didn't have a lot to go on. Yeah, 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:53.800 but we've done it. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.920 It's funny, that, isn't it, Because I was exactly the same. 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.320 You know, I'd go to gigs at the end of school, 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.880 but that'd be at bricks and Academy or something. It'd 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.240 be like a big shot. And then when you're a 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.559 bit older. You go to UNI or wherever, however you 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.560 do it, you come across you start to realize this 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:16.960 world of people playing in pubs and small clubs, and 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.080 you realize that actually you can go and see a 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.520 gig every night if you want, but it's like a 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.920 different world, and that different types of shows and it's 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.920 just a different thing. It's like a really exciting thing. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.440 And then open mic nights and you know that just 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.880 all these funny offshoots of you know, waiting for the 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.240 next proper bricks and academy gig you're going to go to. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.080 Knowing you were coming today. Right dug out something from 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:45.400 the Loud and Quiet archive. Okay, right here, Okay it is. 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.080 Do you remember this I'm showing Wow, Well, a very 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.880 early copy of the magazine issue twenty one. We're currently 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:56.920 on issue one hundred and forty seven, so this is 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:58.640 like two I try to work out. I think it's 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.320 two thousand and seven. Okay, I think it was February time. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.480 It's I will post a picture of this like under 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.760 this podcast so people can see what I'm tormenting you with. Essentially, 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.000 do you do? I mean? I think you will look 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.600 good that there. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:18.760 Was a good sort of almost question on that. 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.720 How do you how do you generally feel about seeing 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.480 like old old pictures and stuff? Does it should I 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.800 turn this over? Is that making you feel quite ill? 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:28.840 I've seen it now. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:35.600 So I need to look at that anymore. 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.280 I think I've probably got all I need to take 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:44.440 from that. No, but I I weirdly I remember this, 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.840 remember that graphic, like, I just think there was that 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:52.360 era that kind of graphic was sort of everywhere, and 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.760 that it's nice. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.520 I mean, what I'm seeing in that picture is no 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.840 rob which I think you were. 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.960 I think you were just between without I think it 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:06.280 was that little window when Robert left sam Adam. 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.800 Yeah started yeah, yeah, so I'm sort of trying to 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.400 join some dots. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.680 It was in Brixton, right, so I think it was 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.080 at Rufe's house. Who was doing Yeah, it was there, 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.560 and I think if I remember correct, because I was there. 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.600 I didn't do that interview. I didn't take the phoze, 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:27.520 but I was there just skulking around. Okay. I seem 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.920 to remember you were all trying to get into Bricks 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.960 and Academy that night Arcade Fire were playing. We think 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:37.640 you were all trying to hustle into that show. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:38.520 Yeah, I think we got in. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:39.120 Did you get in? 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.040 Yeah? Because I mean I definitely saw them at Bricks 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.440 and I remember them playing at the end of the thing, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.360 playing guns of Brixton and walking through the crowds just 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.320 with the acoustic instruments and everyone following them out like 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.160 pied pipers, and it just like the chant of that 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:03.480 of the of the kind of just saying yeah and yeah, 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.640 that one. That was one of the great gigs I've 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:06.120 seen there. 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.119 I mean, that was obviously so long ago. We're talking 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.639 a long time. Yeah, two thousand and seven times so 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.880 and so much has obviously changed since then. You've become 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:20.200 a father in recent years, the band have obviously disbanded 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.879 a few years back. You've released a book, you've released it. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:25.280 I mean, I don't really know where to start a 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:29.879 solo album. I mean, how is post mccabee's life treating you? 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.400 Just on a general scale, it's been what four years, 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:38.560 I think, so seeing that that suddenly seems doesn't seem 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.760 that long ago to an outsider? Does it feel like 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.320 a world ago? 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:45.760 I don't know about a world And I also think 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:46.640 we're all going. 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.440 To feel that because this year or that the kind 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.320 of COVID year is going to make That would explain 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.760 why that feels. But I suppose what I'm trying to 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.879 do is use the time well and and so I 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.760 feel good because I feel busy. And the thing that 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.040 I love most is, you know, in terms of work 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.520 life is making stuff. So and I feel like I'm 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.400 doing a lot of that. So it's been it's been 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:20.080 really good. I've been really enjoying my making good. 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:20.800 Yeah. 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.159 I thought it was very classy. The way you guys 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.959 announced your final shows a whole year is that it 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.760 was a year before, wasn't It was like you announced 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.360 that that the band was ending, and he said, we're 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.199 going to do these final run of shows and there 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.280 any years time, Yeah, like when it actually came to 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.119 those moments, because that then essentially gave you a year 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.000 to prepare yourself for those shows and for the end 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:43.879 of a band that had been your life for like 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.080 a huge proportion of it at that point, you know, 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.720 thirteen years or whatever it was. You know, you say 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:54.240 that the day of a show, your nerves go. How 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.399 did you feel at those shows at that what was 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:02.560 the final show like? And apose what's more interested to be. 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.800 I guess it's always what does the next day feel like? 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.359 That feel like after that? 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.440 Well, I think we part of booking the shows was 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:18.600 that we wanted to have them be these celebrations, and 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.520 and we sort of had a we hoped enough people 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.080 might come to One Alley Paddy, but even to book 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.919 that is it's you need a big run up to 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.640 book it. So did that and then that I think 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.359 we booked that, and that sold out and it became 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.000 three and it was you know, if we hadn't had 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.720 it that far off, then we couldn't have done out 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:46.520 of my the realms of my organizational anyway. And then 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.760 on the day of the very final one, it felt 0:19:53.960 --> 0:20:00.800 really really hard to explain, actually sort of sad. And 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.920 again that's a sort of feeling of resignedness, if that's 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:04.200 the word. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:05.120 That just. 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:14.040 Definitely not nervous, trying to just feel as much of 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.680 it as possible, and knowing my. 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:19.600 You know, all my. 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.879 All of our families, all of our lots, you know, 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.080 all the wider friends and everyone was going to be 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:32.440 there was quite just that on its own is quite 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:40.840 a lot to sort of keeping your head. And my 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.760