1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: So wanted me to start very simple in to sort 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: because you say your name and where you're from. 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, my name's Paul Koming. I'm from Rochester, mass 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: originally great okay, so I made some of those nuts. 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 3: So little. 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: What did you want to talk about to start off 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: the end? 8 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 4: Oh? 9 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 2: Kind of my how it was. I came to be 10 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: the kind of person I was outspoken from a rather 11 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: quiet person because I never usually spoke out about much 12 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: of anything when I. 13 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 4: Was a kid. 14 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: Two miles before you get to downtown Boston on the 15 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: Southeast Expressway, you pass a giant gas tank right at 16 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: the edge of Boston Harbor, covered in a rainbow of 17 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: colorful stripes. Seeing this gas tank means you're passing the 18 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: neighborhood of Dorchester, where much of our story takes place, 19 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: or at least where most of the characters seem to 20 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: have apartments. It's the largest neighborhood in Boston, making up 21 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: the southern half of the city. For a brief period 22 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, it had a bookstore and a 23 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: movie theater, but unfortunately they didn't last. It is perpetually 24 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: right on the verge of gentrifying, but fortunately it never does. 25 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: I'm your host. Brendan Patrick Hughes. I grew up there, 26 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: and so did Rose Kennedy, eighty percent of new kids 27 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: on the Block, John King, who does the Magic Wall 28 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: on CNN, and Iowa Debris from the Bear. Dorchester is 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: where Boston has its morning. The sun is too bright, 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: the wind is too strong, the trees never have leaves, 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: and describe crooked witch finger silhouettes against Newport meantal billboards 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: featuring laughing people who'd never set foot here, and they're 33 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: slush on the floor of Dunkin Donuts. Dorchester has four 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: subway stations, all on the Red Line, far more than 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: its share of break service and autobody shops, triple deckers, 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: package stores, burgeoning Vietnamese and Cape Verdean commune these African Americans, 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: Irish Catholics, and a long history of apartments full of activists, 38 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: Activists like Paul Komick. Paul was born in the salad 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: days of post World War two. 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: I was born in forty eight. So the war ended, 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: and there's a lot more opportunities there, and there's a 42 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: lot more hope in the nation as a whole. Dad 43 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: went a lot to what kind of person I became 44 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: you know, and I was quiet, but I was very 45 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: open to the things being hopeful. 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Okay, before I unleash all these accents on you. Something 47 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: that's always driven me crazy. When you see a movie 48 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: about Boston, there's always some character walking around being like kid. 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: If you see Tommy Sullivan at Doyle's, tell that chuckle, fuck, 50 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: I need a ride back to Revere. These ridiculous accents. 51 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: We're not all hit in the package store for fat 52 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: mouth makys and scratch tickets. It's not really like that. 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it is kind of sometimes a 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: little bit in some places. Yes, in Dorchester, certain pockets, 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: but there's also everything else. Everyone I grew up with 56 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: became a teacher who worked in a nonprofit nonprofit. The 57 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: point being the image of Boston in the American imagination 58 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: is incomplete, but I will say there is something strange 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: about the city and the overly colorful people it relentlessly produces. 60 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: Take that giant gas tank with the colorful stripes out 61 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: on ninety three. You can't miss it. It's a huge, 62 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: kind of half of a pill capsule dome top cylinder 63 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: tank thing, fourteen stories tall in brilliant blazing white with 64 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: these incredibly dramatic hand painted splashes in rainbow colors running 65 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: over the top. And it turns out it has a name, 66 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: Rainbow Swash. It was created in nineteen seventy one by 67 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: Sister Karita Kent, and when it was painted, it was 68 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: the world's largest copyrighted piece of art. Sister Kurita was 69 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: a peace activist, a Roman Catholic nun, and a prolific 70 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: abstract painter. In nineteen seventy one, she was commissioned to 71 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: brighten up this giant industrial behemoth of a gas tank 72 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 1: that would block the view of the harbor for miles around. 73 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: Like some Catholics, she strongly opposed the war in Vietnam, 74 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: and she would later deny that she had secretly painted 75 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: Ho Chi Min's profile into the left side of the 76 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: blue stripe as a protest and at the risk of 77 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: conveying too cute a metaphor too early in a podcast, 78 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: There's something I really love about Dorchester's largest monument being 79 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: an explosive cauldron of colorful subversion. This is divine intervention. 80 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: This is a story about radical nuns and combat boots 81 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: and wild haired priests trading blows with j Edgar Hoover's 82 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: FBI in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war. 83 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: It's got heist's tragedy, a trial of the century, and 84 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: the god damnedest love story you've ever heard. When Paul 85 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: was growing up, his family had a strong tradition of 86 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: caring for the welfare of people you didn't know. Beginning 87 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: with his grandmother. 88 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: She went overboard. No matter who came to the back door, 89 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,559 Speaker 2: people would come, She'd always have it open and serve 90 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: them sup. 91 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 5: Their strongest beliefe. 92 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: Were to help other people. My father worked as a 93 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: janitor in a housing project at Columbia Point. He's saw 94 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: it as a pleasure to serve the poor. He's sorry 95 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: as a Christian honor to be able to do that. 96 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: Like many Catholics of the fifties and sixties, the church 97 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: was the centripetal force in their lives. 98 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: One of the things about living right next to the 99 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: church that we open up our kitchen to anybody from 100 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: the church who want to come over, and we had 101 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 2: this big urn of coffee, and we'd have coffee and 102 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: donuts for anybody that wanted to command. And they used 103 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: to be a crowd of twenty twenty five people who 104 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: would come over every Sunday after the church, and that 105 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: would be the more progressive wing of the parishioners. 106 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: Paul grew up in the Franklin Hill housing projects near 107 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: Bluehill Avenue. 108 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: I was very much going to join the Marines and 109 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: fight for freedom. 110 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 5: I was religiously. 111 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: I would always put the American flag out. 112 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: By the time he was in his early twenties, the 113 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: Vietnam War had hit Dorchester hard. A mile north of 114 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: the gas tank on Morrisey Boulevard, a memorial stands for 115 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: the eighty Dorchester servicemen that were killed in Vietnam in 116 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: our neighborhood. By nineteen seventy one, the once innocuous act 117 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: of checking your mailbox had become a game of Russian 118 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: Roulette for mothers and sons from Ashmont to Savin Hill 119 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: for going on seven years, and more draft notices were 120 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: landing in Dorchester mailboxes than in the wealthy suburbs surrounding Boston, 121 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: whisking young men to what felt like certain death in 122 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: an unfamiliar hemisphere. And sure enough, every few months for 123 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: the last five years, another body bag had landed at 124 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: Logan on its way to another devastated Dorchester family, and 125 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: those families, like families all across America, were watching a 126 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: war broadcast on their TV screens for the first time 127 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: in history. 128 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 5: Casualty figures to a new high. 129 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: Every night Americans received horrifying images of the government's vain 130 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: attempt to pound a tiny agrarian nation into submission. And 131 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: as these nights drew on into weeks and months and years, 132 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: and as veterans came home and broken states of sorrow, 133 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: Americans like Paul began to wonder why the hell are 134 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: we doing this? And the funny thing is, if Paul 135 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: hadn't grown up Catholic, he might never have ended up 136 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: resisting the war and wanted by the FBI, which is 137 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: particularly strange because Catholics are known for their love of authority, 138 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: so much so that j Edgar Hoover, then the director 139 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: of the FBI, would regularly recruit new agents from Catholic 140 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: universities like Notre Dame in Boston College. Yet when Paul 141 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: found himself progressing from finding the war troubling to feeling 142 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: genuine dissent to finally committing active forms of resistance, there 143 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: were other young Catholics ready to welcome him in the movement. 144 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: Paul would eventually become known as Little Big Man, owing 145 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: to the combination of his height and his utter disregard 146 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: for his own safety. And in nineteen seventy one, as 147 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: Rainbow Swash was being painted onto the gas tank, Paul 148 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: was on the run from the FBI, and he was 149 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: hiding out and he already very full Dorchester apartment of 150 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: a young woman named mary Anne. 151 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 4: Paul comes to Florida Street with me and Sarah and 152 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 4: the kids. 153 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: If it's five am in Dorchester, where she still lives 154 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: with Prince by sister Careita hanging in her pantry. Mary 155 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: Anne is sitting in her living room reading books about 156 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: spirituality and leadership. In January of nineteen seventy one, however, 157 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: she had just left her first husband and was living 158 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: on welfare with her best friend Sarah and her two children, 159 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: Chrissy and Jojo. Chrissy was four. 160 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 6: Paul, I remember, like I thought Paul was mine, Like 161 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 6: I thought he was like my friend, so funny, so 162 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 6: fun the most outrageous laugh. I can't even describe to 163 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 6: you how bizarre his laugh was. 164 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: Paul's laughs. Okay, that brings up an important point and 165 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: we have to stop ever everything right here and get 166 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: something out of the way. I listen to serious podcasts 167 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: all the time. I listened to NPR. I know how 168 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: this is supposed to go. I put my mouth really 169 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: close to an expensive microphone and speak softly, with hushed 170 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: patrician enthusiasm about lofty things. But it's really hard to 171 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: do that if you're talking about Irish Catholics, especially if 172 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: culturally you are one as well. I'm not per se Catholic, 173 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: but every single one of my ancestors was, going back 174 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: to the fifth century. I won't insert myself much in 175 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: this story, but very quickly, half of my family is 176 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: from Scranton, the other half is from Dorchester. So you 177 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: know the whole Joe Biden thing they used to make 178 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: fun of him for about being too close and hugging 179 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: people and stuff like that. That makes perfect sense to me. 180 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: When I went to my grandfather's wake in Scranton, I 181 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: could barely hear myself think over the backslapping. And I 182 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: will do my best to deliver for you a serious 183 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: podcast where yes, everything is thoughtful and considered and pairs 184 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: well with a gluten free brand muffin and the Sunday 185 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: New York Times. But I grew up knowing all these people, 186 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: and it's important for you to understand that. Throughout every 187 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: ordeal I'm about to share with you, they all roared 188 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: with laughter and slapped each other's backs and grabbed each 189 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: other's cheeks, and they were thrilled to see each other 190 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: and yelled their greetings too loud. For instance, here's Marianne 191 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: again on speakerphone, talking about her friendship with her roommate, Sarah. 192 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: You have no idea how I wish, Oh my god, 193 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: because we were both really funny. I mean we would 194 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 3: scream laughing, scream laughing. I remember one time we're walking 195 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: down to the Newman Center and we're laughing so damn hard. 196 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: We're like like literally bending over, and Mike Hunt yelled. 197 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 7: On the street. 198 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 8: Do you two know wars going on? 199 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: Legend has it? Sigmund Freud once said of the Irish 200 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: that they are the the only people in the world 201 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: completely impenetrable to psychoanalysis. So with that caveat out of 202 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: the way, that this is going to be a fucking 203 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: mess because Catholics are involved, let's continue with Chrissy describing Paul. 204 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 6: And I remember like everybody whenever he would let would 205 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 6: stop whatever they were doing, like in a restaurant or 206 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 6: at the Paula Center, or just like walking down the street. 207 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 6: He just was special. He was really special and small 208 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 6: and elfin and always had rosy cheeks. 209 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: So why did sweet little Paul, he of the world's 210 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: most wholesome upbringing, have to go under ground in the 211 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: first place? And by that I mean hide from the 212 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: FBI by moving into a one bedroom apartment that already 213 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: had four people in it. 214 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 7: Paul Koombing had signed up as a conscientious objector. 215 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: This is Anne Walsh, who at the time was a 216 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: nun living on Claiborne Street in Dorchester. In those days, 217 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: she was known as pretty h core and was often 218 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: seen wearing combat boots and rocking up Pat bennetts ar haircut. 219 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: She had just rebelled against her mother's superior and was 220 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: in the midst of starting a renegade order of nuns 221 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: in Dorchester. When Anne met Paul, he'd already gone before 222 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: the Selective Service Board and been given conscientious objector status. 223 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: This was a rare designation, reserved for someone who could 224 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: not fight in a war on religious grounds. 225 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 2: They grilled me on whether I would defend my mother 226 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 2: she was being attacked on the street. I said, I 227 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: would do everything in my power to stop that from happening, 228 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: but I would not kill the person trying to do it. 229 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: If you're granted conscientious objector status, you still have to 230 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: perform some sort of alternative service during the time you 231 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: would have been in the army. 232 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 7: And he was assigned for alternative service to be an 233 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 7: orderly at the Newton Wellesley Hospital. 234 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: But Newton and Wellesley are fancy suburbs full of rich people, 235 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: and it's hard to get to on the tee. 236 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 7: And this is Paul Combing grew up in Dorchester between 237 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 7: the Franklin Hill Project and Saint Leo's Parish, and so 238 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 7: he said, you know, I'll go to City Hospital if 239 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 7: you want, where poor people would be served. But I'm 240 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 7: sure I'm not going to go to Wellesley. So they said, no, 241 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 7: you're going to go to Wellesley. You don't get any choice. 242 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: So Paul never showed up in Newton, which people in 243 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: Dorchester call Snewton, and in doing so forfeited his sought 244 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: after CEO status. And then he took it one step further. 245 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: Filar at the time said that you had to carry 246 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: your classification card and your registration card on your person 247 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: at all times if you were over the age of eighteen. 248 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: Not satisfied with merely flouting his orderly assignment, Paul wanted 249 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: to make sure he was in direct violation of federal law. 250 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: I took my cards and put him in an envelope 251 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: and mailed them back to the Draft for telling them 252 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: to do was against my religion to continue to hold 253 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: these cards to participate in the draft. So I sent 254 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: them back with the statements similar to that, and they 255 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: kept them. 256 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: He was basically jumping up and down and waving his arms, 257 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: yelling at the government to come get him, and sure enough, 258 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: the long arm of the law eventually did. 259 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: A few years later, they charged me with not having 260 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: them on person. Yeah, I got a summons from the 261 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: court that I was being charged with three counts of 262 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: violation of Select Service Act. 263 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: Paul was facing fifteen years for not carrying his draft 264 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: papers on his person. 265 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: They knew I didn't have mommy, because they had them 266 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: in their hands. 267 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: As you can imagine, he found this pretty depressing. 268 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: I was just going to end up going to jail 269 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: for a while, and I was really just bummed out 270 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: about the whole process. 271 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: He started looking at every option. 272 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: My brothers all three years I mentioned were in the service. 273 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: We're all trying to convince me to go to Canada. 274 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: But Paul knew he only had one choice to stand 275 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: up to the government when he knew it was wrong, 276 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: because sometimes the only way to be a good citizen 277 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: is to do something illegal. Then a Kakamami idea developed 278 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: among the Catholic activists in the Dorchester Resistance. 279 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 4: There was some tauk Mary Anne amongst the community Claiborne Street. 280 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: Kind of action around on my refusing to carry my 281 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: draft cards in my trial. 282 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 4: That Paul wanted to take this action that he wasn't going. 283 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: To show up for Corey Ann Walsh grabbed me by 284 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: the call of one day and said, look, I want 285 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: you to go down to the Poula Center. I want 286 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: you to meet some people. 287 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: The Paulist Center was a church in downtown Boston that 288 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: was beginning to make a name for itself as a 289 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: hotbed for a very new kind of youthful Catholic unrest. 290 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: And talk to them about your situation. 291 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 7: I don't know who came up. 292 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 8: With the idea. 293 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: Anne Walsh. 294 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 8: What we came up with this idea. 295 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 7: We were hoping that the Paulist Center community would put 296 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 7: Paul in sanctuary. 297 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: Sanctuary meaning Paul would turn himself over to the authority 298 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: of the religious leaders inside a church instead of federal 299 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: law enforcement. The Catholic Church had adopted this practice at 300 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: the First Council of Orleans in five eleven AD for thieves, adulterers, 301 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: and fugitive slaves to seek refuge in churches from capital 302 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: punishment until an oath was sworn to do them no harm. 303 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: But it had long since been abandoned. 304 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 4: So the question was could they find a Catholic church 305 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 4: in which to take sanctuary. So Anne Walsh approached an 306 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 4: Tobin at the Paula Center. 307 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: So now we have an Ann, an Ann, and a Marianne. 308 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: This is, as I warned you, a story about Catholics. 309 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: Here's an Tobin who everyone called Tobin. 310 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 9: I would meet people and they would say, oh, what 311 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 9: are you studying. I'd say, oh, theology, and they oh, 312 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 9: geology or isn't that interesting? 313 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: I say no not. Rocks Tobin was diminutive like Paul. 314 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: She had a master's degree in theology and its great 315 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: at keeping housecats. Alive well into their twenties. Tobin had 316 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: recently and controversially been named female lay minister at the 317 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: Poula Center. Once she got a call from Anne Walsh. 318 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 9: And she called me one day and said, could you 319 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 9: come and meet me. I have somebody I want to 320 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 9: introduce you to and we want to discuss something with you. 321 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: That night, Anne Walsh, Paul Cooming and a Tobin met 322 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: at a Peter Pan restaurant near Boston University. 323 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 9: She had this young man with her. She introduced me 324 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 9: to him and she said, this is Paul Cooming. He's 325 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 9: been drafted and he's not going to go. He's going 326 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 9: to resist. And she said, we want to know if 327 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 9: we could have a sanctuary at the Paula Center. And 328 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 9: I said, well, yeah, sure, why not? And she said, 329 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 9: well clearly, she said, you don't know much about sanctuaries. 330 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 9: She said, there have been several sanctuaries in Boston and 331 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 9: they have been very violent situations because of the police 332 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 9: in the National Guard, and so she gave me an example. 333 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: Anne Walsh then explained to Tobin that there had recently been 334 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: a sanctuary at a Protestant church across Boston Common from 335 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: the Paulist Center. Here's how Tobin and Paul remembered it. 336 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 9: Federal marshalls broke into the chapel and beat people up, 337 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 9: and people were hurt, and there was a lot of 338 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 9: damage done to the Arching Street. Church. 339 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: Police had gone in a riker and smashed heads with 340 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: billy clubs and drag the soldiers that were a wall 341 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: basically out into the street and the rest. And there's 342 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 2: a lot of injuries. 343 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 8: Is it all? I see? Well, that's okay. 344 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 9: We'll do it anyway, you know, we'll do it. 345 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 8: We'll figure it out. 346 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: The thinking was that maybe in a Catholic town like Boston, 347 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: where the police force was filled with Irish Catholics just 348 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: like them, they could avoid a visit from the goon squad. 349 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: The sanctity of the Catholic church was just a much 350 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: more really you know, chose of prejudice against other religions, 351 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: I guess, but it was much more secure than any 352 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: other church that would offered. 353 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: Or at least the action would create a pr nightmare 354 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: for the authorities. 355 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: We felt that for sure the FBI would want to 356 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 2: try to stop me from going into the church, rather 357 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: than having to dragged me out of the church. 358 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: But their other problem was that this would put the 359 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: Police Center at odds with the Catholic Church at large, and. 360 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 2: A Catholic Church had not done that during the Vietnam 361 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: Antaiwan movement as far as I know at that time, because. 362 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 10: It really a Catholic Church had never had a sanctuary 363 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 10: for a conscientious subjector ever in the history of the 364 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 10: Catholic Church ever anywhere in the world before. It was 365 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 10: a first, like all through World War Two, no nothing, zero, zippo. 366 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: It won't generally sound like it because a lot of 367 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: what I'm going to tell you is hard to believe. 368 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: But this show is in fact fact checked and we 369 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: found nothing to disprove this claim. In fact, there hadn't 370 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: been any instance of political sanctuary in a Catholic Church 371 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: since the sixteenth century, and for that matter, the American 372 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: Catholic bishops, led by Cardinal Spelman of New York, were 373 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: staunch supporters of the war in Vietnam. But Tobin's church, 374 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: the Polish Center, was a huge flagship chapel for the 375 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: Order of the Polish Fathers. It was the perfect place 376 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: for this crazy scheme because it had just fallen into 377 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: the hands of two young priests who had transformed it 378 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: into a headquarters of do gooding and hell raising. The 379 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: police Center sits right below the Golden Dome of the 380 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: State House at number five Park Street, smack in the 381 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: middle of downtown Boston. Park Street is the shortest side 382 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: of the confusingly five sided Boston Common, and it's where 383 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: you'll find two sets of red double doors that mark 384 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: the entrance to the Paulis Center Chapel. It was dedicated 385 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty seven, but because of anti Catholic prejudice 386 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: in Boston at the time, Cardinal Cushing had to have 387 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: a Protestant friend by the building and then turn it 388 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: over to the Polists. The Polices are one of many 389 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: orders in the Catholic Church, like the Jesuits, the Benedictines, 390 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: the Josephites, and the Dominicans. They were the first order 391 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: formed in the United States, and they have a uniquely 392 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: American focus. The mission of the Polis is outreach to 393 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: non Catholic. 394 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 5: I remember being overjoyed that I was assigned to Boston. 395 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: That's Jim Carroll, who at the time was a Polis 396 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: priest working at BA You with Anne Walsh. He's also 397 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: the author of several books, including Practicing Catholic Prince of 398 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: Peace and an American Requiem God, My Father and the 399 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: War that Came Between Us, which won the National Book Award. 400 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 5: And I was assigned to Boston University, which also pleased me. 401 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 5: I didn't want to go to the Paula Center. Why not, Well, 402 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 5: it was a church, and it was also a famously establishment, 403 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 5: and it was full of old guys, and it was 404 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 5: going to be hearing confessions and saying masks. But it 405 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 5: was a church. 406 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: Two of jim seminary brothers, Patrick and Floyd, had been 407 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: assigned to the Paula Center when they were all ordained. 408 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: Patrick was a wild man. Electric shocks of curly hair 409 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: flew from his head as he merrily kreemed down the 410 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: halls of the place from one urgent meeting to the next. 411 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 8: And he never wore his caller. 412 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: This was a Roman Catholic priest, the ones that wear 413 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: the all black habit with a cardboard collar, putting a 414 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: telltale white square at their Adams apple to signal to 415 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: the world. I am a man of the cloth. But 416 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: Patrick just wasn't into it because it. 417 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 8: Was the new church. And they never did I think, 418 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 8: he said. He wore it three times in his whole 419 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 8: time he was a priest. 420 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: Patrick was a kook and a revolutionary. He was on 421 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: a mission to reinvent what it meant to be a 422 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: priest in the world, starting with not taking himself so 423 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: goddamn seriously all the time. 424 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 11: He would come really through a doorway and he would 425 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 11: take one foot and put it in front of the 426 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 11: other and cause himself to trip, like just to make 427 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 11: people laugh, like he was a natural clown or something 428 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 11: like that, and he had the ability to do that, 429 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 11: and everybody. 430 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 8: Would laugh, and he would laugh too. He just thought 431 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 8: it was hysterical. Every time. 432 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 11: He thought it was as funny as the time before, 433 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 11: and it really was. 434 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: Patrick had only been ordained two years prior, and he 435 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: and Floyd had spent those two years trying to drag 436 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: the Poulas Center kicking and screaming into the twentieth century, 437 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: and through a bizarre series of events which we'll soon 438 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: learn about, Patrick had been placed in charge of this 439 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: entire place at only thirty years old. He was the 440 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: one that appointed Ann Tobin to be female lay minister, 441 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: something in the Catholic Church at large found absolutely scandalous. 442 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: But hell or high water. Patrick and Floyd were going 443 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: to make changes. 444 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 4: They were going to do it by renewing the church 445 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 4: from head to foot, including Floyd getting a screwdriver and 446 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 4: going into the chapel and literally starting to unscrew all 447 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 4: the mealers because that was ridiculous. 448 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 8: That was part of the old church. 449 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: And now Patrick, Floyd and Tobin were running the place 450 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: in an avant garde, non hierarchical Berkeley food co op structure. 451 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: So of all the Catholic churches in all of Boston, 452 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: this was the one that could wedge itself between the 453 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: anti war movement and the Department of Justice. And so 454 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: Tobin started putting the wheels in motion. 455 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 4: And Tobin calls me and Sarah and says, you're not 456 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 4: going to believe. 457 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: This is Mari Anne, what just happened. 458 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 4: So we were beside ourselves with excitement about the possibility 459 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 4: of doing this because it would be so powerful, and 460 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 4: Tobin had to bring it to the team. 461 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 9: The only problem was when I went back to the 462 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 9: Paula Center. 463 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: That night Tobin after her meeting with Anne Walsh and 464 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: Paul Cooming, I. 465 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 9: Ran into Patrick and I got off the elevator upstairs 466 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 9: and I said Oh, Patrick, this is the most exciting thing. 467 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 9: I said, We're going to have a sanctuary that. Don't 468 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 9: say anything else about it. I don't want to know. 469 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 9: He said, don't tell me anything else about it. I said, oh, okay. 470 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: When this conversation happened, Patrick was going through some serious 471 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: shit with the Paula's Brass, so basically the last thing 472 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: he could think about was unilaterally pitting the might of 473 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: the church against the might of the federal government. So 474 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 1: Patrick wanted to help paul at the Paula Center on 475 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: Park Street at the behest of Anne Anne and Mary Anne. 476 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: But he was frankly pretty slammed. 477 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 9: That was really kind of shocking to me. So I 478 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 9: called Anne and I said, well, there's a little bit 479 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 9: of a problem. I said, Patrick is probably the most 480 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 9: liberal person on the team, and so I'm not sure 481 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 9: about the reaction of the others. 482 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: What were the stakes, though, would it be could they. 483 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 10: Have been maybe they shut down that, Yeah, Mary Anne, 484 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 10: they could have maybe shut down the follow Center or whatever. 485 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 5: Did Rome have that authority to do that? 486 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 10: Well, Boston archdioceis could have Yeah, they could have said 487 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 10: you're no longer welcome in the Boston Archdioces. 488 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: Patrick had only taken over the Paula Center about eight 489 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: months prior and was in the middle of trying to 490 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: rescue the church at large from itself. He was an innovator, 491 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: holding crazy multimedia liturgies that bore no resemblance to the 492 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: Catholic Mass one thinks of today. But he had thus 493 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: far avoided too much direct anti war activity, focusing instead 494 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: on issues of hunger and justice. Staging the first political 495 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: sanctuary in a Catholic church in four hundred years and 496 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: thrusting the Polist Center directly into conflict with the government 497 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: would threaten the existence of everything he had built in 498 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: that short amount of time. But Tobin, Paul and Marianne 499 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: and her roommate Sarah pressed their case to Patrick and Floyd. 500 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 2: The group came around to it. I think it probably 501 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: took quite a few conversations. 502 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: Somehow they managed to convince Patrick and Floyd that it 503 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: was better to beg forgiveness than ask permission, that if 504 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: you play two behemoth institutions like these against one another, 505 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: it can create enough confusion to get away with anything. 506 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 8: And they said yes, so, oh God, that was bad. 507 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 7: Although I loved him to death, I feared the ramifications 508 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 7: of it, like the federal agents, you know, bashing people. 509 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 4: So the decision was made amongst all of us that 510 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 4: we were going to do it. 511 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: And so they began making preparations. 512 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 4: And there were hundreds of people involved in this, from 513 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 4: the whole community. The Newman House would be you all 514 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 4: of us at the Paula Center, the whole Catholic left 515 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 4: community up and down the East coast. 516 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 8: There were hundreds of people involved. 517 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: We were planning us for about a month. I believe 518 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: the peace community within the Poula Senate was so advanced. 519 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 4: The groundwork that had happened prior to this was getting 520 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 4: the church ready for sanctuary because we knew, you know, 521 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 4: there would be many people who would stay inside the 522 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 4: church with Paul, including me, the two kids, Sarah, and 523 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 4: one hundred other people. 524 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 2: We were sure that the word had gotten out that 525 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: this sanctuary was going to happen. 526 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: By this point, j Edgar Hoover's FBI was being incredibly 527 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: aggressive with the anti war movement following Paul and his friends, 528 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: harassing everyone's parents and even conspicuously searching through their parents' 529 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: neighbors trash pins. 530 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 4: Because the FBI was so vigilant. There was concern that 531 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 4: Paul would be arrested. 532 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: Because we knew that were parishionists who had brothers or 533 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: relatives in the FBI. 534 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 8: And that they would find out about this ahead of time. 535 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: We fell for sure that they knew. 536 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 4: So the question was where could Paul go quote unquote underground? 537 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: I and mary Anne and Sarah and others Anthobin and 538 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: Patrick decided the idea. 539 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 8: Was could he come and stay at Florida Street with. 540 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: Us, pretty low income building that was not well kept up. 541 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 8: Why we were thought to be underground? I have no idea, 542 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 8: because maybe because of the kids. 543 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: Okay, I had a crush on Sarah Toci, So I 544 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: think I was the one that brought up the idea 545 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: that a good place for me to hide out was 546 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: their apartment. So Paul moves in with us, and the 547 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: fact that there was no place other than a floor 548 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: space for me to be didn't make any difference. 549 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 8: You know, three rooms. 550 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: Christy and Jojo. 551 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 8: Had one bedroom, kids had the bedroom. 552 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: There was a kitchen, and there was a living room 553 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: and that's all there was to this apartment. 554 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 8: Paul's got a bid roll. Sarah and I are on 555 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 8: the day bed pullout. 556 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: Coach on the flos and did that for two weeks. 557 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 6: One thing I remember about Paul was sitting. 558 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: On him Chrissy again, Mary Anne's daughter, who was four. 559 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 6: He just loved him, sitting on his lap, holding his 560 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 6: hand while he was doing his crazy laugh, feeling his 561 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 6: body's shape. 562 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: This was a group of people who knew first and 563 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: foremost how to have a good time, a distant second 564 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: how to be criminals. Mary Anne would come to refer 565 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: to them all as the ganger couldn't shoot straight after 566 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: a screwball Jerry Orbach gangster comedy running in cinemas at 567 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: the time. They were about to break the law, they 568 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: were about to take on the Department of Justice, they 569 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: were about to throw a Catholic church into the anti 570 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: war movement, and god damn it, they were going to 571 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:51,479 Speaker 1: have fun doing it soon enough, and too soon as 572 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: far as they were concerned, Because time, as we all know, 573 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: is a motherfucker. The day of the sanctuary arrived. 574 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 4: Now we're all living together at Florida Street, and we're 575 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 4: all involved in getting the sanctuary organized and then getting 576 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 4: him in town without being seen. And I will never 577 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 4: ever ever forget the morning we're going to go to 578 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 4: take sanctuary. He's supposed to show up at court at 579 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 4: nine o'clock. 580 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: I had a quick date. I was supposed to show 581 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: up for a trial to answer questions and ask questions 582 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 2: because I was defending myself. 583 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: But instead the plan was Mary Anne, Sarah and the 584 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: kids would spirit Paul into the Paula Center while the 585 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: trial was underway. 586 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: There was a lot of pressure from my family not 587 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: to do it this. 588 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: Way, but despite their preference for Paul to escape to Canada, 589 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 1: Paul's parents agreed to appear in his stead at the trial. 590 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: Marianne and Sarah knew meanwhile that the FBI was on 591 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: the lookout for Paul, and so they had to somehow 592 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: go incognito. 593 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 4: So the morning of the sanctuary we all get up 594 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 4: at the crack of dawn. 595 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 8: We had a long brown coat with a hood. 596 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 6: I remember the cape. They had to dress him up 597 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 6: in a costume, and I think it was like a 598 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 6: cape with a hood. Again seventies. 599 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 4: The styles of the winter coats at that time, they 600 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 4: almost looked like monk's habits. 601 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: I either looked like a woman or I look. 602 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 5: Like a monk. 603 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 6: I remember. I think it was my mom putting a 604 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 6: little bit of makeup on him. 605 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: I think I even put on a little bit of makeup, 606 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: lipstick or something to emphasize the fact that I. 607 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 5: Was a woman. 608 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 6: Joe and I were part of the cover because we 609 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 6: held his hands. 610 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 4: And we have the kids. We've got Jojo in the carriage. 611 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 4: We're carrying backpacks. 612 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 8: Because we know we're going to stay. 613 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 4: And Kristen and Sarah, Paul and I and Jojo all 614 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 4: go to Ashmont station. 615 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 8: It's snowing. 616 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 6: I mostly remember the subway ride being anxious. 617 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 4: When we get off at Park Street, we look up 618 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 4: Park Street and we see that there's activity outside Park 619 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 4: Street and it looks like the FBI. 620 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 8: It looks like Park Street is being covered. 621 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 6: When the sanctuary started, Paul was not in the Paula Center. 622 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 6: The FBI got there before he did. 623 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 8: And so we get ourselves into Brighams. 624 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: Brighams, if you're not from Boston, was a ubiquitous chain 625 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: of diners in the sixties and seventies, and their coffee 626 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: tasted like payment. 627 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 4: And we get ourselves a cup of coffee and we're stunned. 628 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 4: I mean, we're flummoxed. 629 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 8: What are we going to do? 630 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 4: Were we going to make a break for it and 631 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 4: just saunter up there Paul in his girl coat and 632 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 4: get him in the door. 633 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Paul's father was in the courthouse facing the judge 634 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: in his son's place. 635 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: There was probably one hundred people in the courtroom expecting 636 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: me to be on trial then there to support me. 637 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 2: But I wasn't there. But my father and mother were there. 638 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: The judge, Charles e. 639 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 5: Isisansky Jr. 640 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 2: I remember his nigh very well. He was the chief 641 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: goudge of the Federal District. He asked if there was 642 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: anybody there that knew where Paul was. 643 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 4: His father was going to be at the courtroom and 644 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 4: read the statement to the judge. 645 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 2: My fatherly gets up and says, your honor, Paul is 646 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 2: not coming to trial today. Paul is being offered sanctuary 647 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 2: in the church nearby and will stay there and is 648 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: refusing to come to trial to participate in this process. 649 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 2: I think he was shaking in his boots all the 650 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 2: time he was talking. And the judge of journal meeting 651 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: and he ordered the federal marshals to take every precaution 652 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 2: not to disrupt the church. He ordered that from the bench. 653 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: At that moment, the assembled supporters stood in Unison, began 654 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: singing and marched towards the Paula Center. 655 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 2: They walked from the courthouse, which was probably a good 656 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 2: seven er or ten blocks away, somewhere in that vicinity, 657 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: marching and singing all the way with my father and 658 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 2: mother the parade, singing on anti wa songs. They did 659 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 2: that for the several blocks, right through the streets of Austin. 660 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: From where they stood at the window of Brigham's, Mary Anne, Paul, 661 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: Sarah and the kids could see down Tremont Street that 662 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: the singing marchers were headed straight for the Paula Center 663 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: and they were going to go inside and start the 664 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: sanctuary without Paul in the building. 665 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 4: Now, our job had been to get Paul there before 666 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 4: anybody else got there, but what with the FBI up 667 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 4: and down the road, that wasn't working out. 668 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: The marchers were about to round the corner onto Park 669 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: Street and head straight for the FBI, with Paul trapped 670 00:35:43,480 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: in Brighams watching on this season of Divine Intervention, a 671 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: generation of young Catholic radicals enters the resistance. 672 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 4: They just cried, these incredible doors open, and a whole 673 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 4: generation just poured through. 674 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,479 Speaker 8: It was definitely our time. 675 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 11: This kind of time that you think, well, things are 676 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 11: never going to be quite the same anymore, and they weren't. 677 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 12: Many of the things that we were about to do 678 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 12: we're not considered legal or patriotic. 679 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: And attempts to sabotage a war by any means necessary. 680 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 8: It was a real comedy of eras that we pulled off. 681 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 2: They've not committed just a crime that wasn't simply breaking 682 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 2: an entry. 683 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: They were committing acts of civil dish obedience. It took 684 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: a lot of God. 685 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 9: We had a very modest name. We called ourself the 686 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 9: East Coast Conspiracy to. 687 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: Save lives as they faced down j Edgar Hoover's FBI. 688 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: Hoover was crazy about us. 689 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 8: He wanted to have kind of dyed everybody. 690 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 5: It was an agent behind them. 691 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 2: Burn nailbox and when the verdict of the jury was announced, 692 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 2: people stood up in the courtbrook and sang amazing grace, 693 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 2: and the jury stood up. 694 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: With and attempted to smash one institution after another. 695 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 5: The Catholic Church was going through a revolution and the 696 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 5: Paul Center was a main place of revolutionary firment. 697 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 12: That's what makes liberation theologies so threatening, I think, is 698 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 12: the people get to call on the leaders. 699 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,959 Speaker 11: It was more equal, and it was a new concept. 700 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: While navigating the unbridled chaos of being young and in love. 701 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 1: Those movements come out of love. 702 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 2: They come out of people's love for their fellow men 703 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 2: and women. 704 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 4: Just throwing yourself on the mercy of the universe and 705 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,439 Speaker 4: just hope to Christ you're going to land on your feet. 706 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 12: He wanted so much in his life that somehow the 707 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 12: priesthood refused to alloe. 708 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 8: I picked up the phone. 709 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 4: And my thought was, this is the most important phone 710 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 4: call I'll ever make in my life. 711 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 8: I couldn't believe it. I mean, it was Divine Intervention. 712 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: Divine Intervention is a production of iHeart Podcasts. It's produced 713 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: by Wonder Media Network. It was created and written by me, 714 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: your host, Brendan Patrick Hughes. Our indefatigable producers Our Carmen 715 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: Borca Correo, Abby Delk Palomo, Moreno, Jimenez, Grace Lynch, and myself. 716 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: Our editor is Towering Figure of Strength Grace Lynch for 717 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: Wonder Media Network. Our executive producers are Emily Rudder and 718 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: Jenny Kaplan for iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producer is Christina 719 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: Everett for Deuyt Street Book Club. Our executive producer is 720 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: Rolin Jones. 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