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Speaker 1: Welcome back to cutting the distance. It's almost September, and

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Speaker 1: how can we not be excited? The elkra is right

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Speaker 1: around the corner. This is absolutely one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: times of the year. I'm fine tuned in my broadheads,

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Speaker 1: making final tweaks to my gear, starting to build my

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Speaker 1: first day hunt plans from when I get to my spot.

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Speaker 1: I just love everything about you know that end of

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Speaker 1: August transition into September archery. Elk hunting is right around

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Speaker 1: the corner. On today's episode, I don't have a guest.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be just me as I have quite

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Speaker 1: a few detailed questions from our listeners that I want

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Speaker 1: to dive into and kind of try to give some

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Speaker 1: good answers to. And then I'm going to talk about

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Speaker 1: some strategies that I don't personally use all that often,

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Speaker 1: but I'm able to recognize when they're gonna work great

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Speaker 1: and when we should deploy them, such as sitting wallows

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Speaker 1: such as ambushing elk spot in stock tree stand hunting,

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Speaker 1: baiting if it's legal in your state, and some of

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Speaker 1: those more out of the box. I wouldn't say they're

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Speaker 1: out of the box. They're out of the box for

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Speaker 1: the way that we hunt, you know, when we're out

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Speaker 1: there for a certain situation and a certain encounter with

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Speaker 1: the elk. But these are very very good strategies in

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Speaker 1: the right scenarios. So look look forward to talking about

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Speaker 1: that a little bit, a little bit different from our

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Speaker 1: typical aggressive bugle call type stuff. So excited to kind

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Speaker 1: of dig into that. We're gonna start this episode like

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Speaker 1: every other episode, We're gonna jump into listener questions and

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Speaker 1: if you have questions for us, myself or my guests,

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Speaker 1: feel free to send us a message on any of

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Speaker 1: our social media channels, or you can email us at

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Speaker 1: CTD at Phelps game Calls dot com. And that's where

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Speaker 1: all of these questions come from as through our email today.

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Speaker 1: Our first question today is from Cole Marley. He's from Idaho,

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Speaker 1: where he typically hunts out. They seem to completely shut

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Speaker 1: down at various times in the morning. I've heard stories

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Speaker 1: of guys having better success calling bulls in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the day or calling to bet at elk. He's

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Speaker 1: just wondering if I could talk about how you go

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Speaker 1: about or any tips that you have for calling elk

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Speaker 1: specifically in the middle of the day. So I don't

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Speaker 1: want to like tiptoe around the question, Cole, but there's

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Speaker 1: no rhyme or reason to win. And what makes elk

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Speaker 1: more active in the morning versus the middle of the

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Speaker 1: day or vice versa, And what I would if I

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Speaker 1: had to try to put some thought to it, after

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Speaker 1: talking to biologists and just seeing what happens, you know,

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Speaker 1: from day to day, where it could be, you know,

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Speaker 1: the ret could be crazy one day, dead the next day,

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Speaker 1: crazy the next day. One thing that I'm starting to

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Speaker 1: think is likely is cows and that herd just being

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Speaker 1: in Estris, right, if those bulls recognize a cow is

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Speaker 1: at Estriss or not, and if that times with early morning,

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Speaker 1: mid day, whatever it may be, because those pheromones, once

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Speaker 1: she's been bred kind of shut off. So if it

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Speaker 1: kicks in the middle of the day, the rut is

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Speaker 1: going to kick in, you know, or seem to have

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Speaker 1: more in the middle of the day versus if that's

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Speaker 1: like a carryover from the night before. So I think

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Speaker 1: those cows, you know, being in Estris during that specific

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Speaker 1: time definitely plays into that, you know, where it seems

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Speaker 1: then it is good. It's just whether those cows are

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Speaker 1: coming in or not during that time. The second thing

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Speaker 1: Is there a semi mature satellite bowl? Kind of challenging

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Speaker 1: you know, and there's been times where multiple herds end

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Speaker 1: A lot of times you're going to sneak in, or

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Speaker 1: we're gonna sneak in on those elk and try to

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Speaker 1: You know, he's either gonna get up, you know, after

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Speaker 1: grab water, or he's gonna check on his cows again.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times you're gonna see that bowl. If

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Speaker 1: him ten to fifteen yards off of that. But typically, now,

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Speaker 1: And that's that scenario because he already knows where his

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Speaker 1: I feel like that bowl at the time they bed down,

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Speaker 1: knows where every single one of those cows betted down

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Speaker 1: I tend to stick with bugles in that scenario. Not

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Speaker 1: saying the cow calls won't work, that's just kind of

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Speaker 1: the system that we run. But yeah, that there's a

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Speaker 1: that spot once again. Timeline September seventh or eighth, fast forward.

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Speaker 1: He just wanted to know what would we have did different?

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Speaker 1: And Andy, this is where you know, we we claim

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Speaker 1: There's three hundred and sixty degree direction that he can go,

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Speaker 1: scenarios because I always feel that once I'm in September,

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00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: the bulls should be bugling or at least answering me somewhere.

430
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of what goes through my head.

431
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: Why am I wasting, not say wasting, Why am I

432
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: potentially gonna waste thirty to forty five minutes here where

433
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't feel like my odds are very high of

434
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: getting something to come to this location. With that said,

435
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 1: people use cold calling, warm culling scenarios and setups every

436
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 1: year to find all kinds of success. I'm just weighing

437
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: these percent successes in my head. I feel that I'm

438
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: better served covering ground, getting a bowl to respond, and

439
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: then setting up our game than I am sitting in

440
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: one location. So question number three from Troy Ball bugles

441
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: at two hundred yards away. He has no idea if

442
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 1: he has cows or not. What are the next moves?

443
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 1: Two hundred yards is pretty pretty close. I may not

444
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: risk moving at all, depending on the terrain vegetation. Now,

445
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: if if everything's laid out nicely and there's no real

446
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: risk of me moving one hundred yards without being busted

447
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: in his direction, and I can do it maybe quietly,

448
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: or I can get you know, without being seen, I

449
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: will do it. I always want to be as close

450
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: as possible. But there are times and I'm you didn't

451
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: say that you located this bowl, so I'm going to

452
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: assume this bowl just bugle on his own. A bullet

453
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: bugles on his own, may be searching for cows. So

454
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: I may get, you know, close that distance, whatever it is,

455
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: fifty seventy one hundred yards, whatever I can get as

456
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: quietly as I can get. I'm gonna listen again. A

457
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: lot of times we before we make a peep, Like,

458
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: I want to know, is that bowlging a beagle on

459
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: his own? Can I hear other elk moving around down there?

460
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: Because by time you get to one hundred yards, like,

461
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to typically hear, you know, stick snapping,

462
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: bull's bigeling again, just try to get an idea of

463
00:23:54,640 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: what's going on. I will, in this situation not necessarily

464
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: bugle right off the bat. This ball has no idea.

465
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm there. I may just let out a cow call.

466
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: It's kind of that lower threat level. See if he

467
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: answers that if this is a satellite bowl searching for

468
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: cows or just a group of satellite bulls that are biggling,

469
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: you're going to get a fairly quick response, and that

470
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: may be all that's needed, where a beagle would have

471
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: actually maybe screwed that up. If you get the idea

472
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: that it is a herd bull and that's all the

473
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: further you can move. I may still be patient in

474
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: this scenario to see if they're heading in my direction already.

475
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: That would be the best case scenario if you if

476
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have to call it now. If I

477
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: feel like they're rumning, you rumminggen around there, they're not

478
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: really moving. Maybe that bowl's a little more excited than

479
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: we thought. I may elect to start biggling at this

480
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: bowl or walking on as bugles. But it's it's really

481
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: it's really tough to know in that scenario because he

482
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: didn't answer a beagle. He didn't answer a cow call

483
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: to start with, and there's always some hesitancy when you

484
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: go in there. You don't necessarily want to screw up

485
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: what you just got, right, You just got a bugle

486
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: for free. Now, if I go in there and cow call,

487
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: is that going to shut him up? Not? Typically Usually

488
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: the way you know the elk work, he's gonna he's

489
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: gonna be agle. He's gonna invite you as a new

490
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: cow into his herd or to come hang out. He'll bugle,

491
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, a bugle within one hundred yards typically won't

492
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: give him the ability to take his cows and run,

493
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: but you never know. So this one is usually one

494
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: of those times where I'll start with like the lowest

495
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: threat level, you know, calf cow sounds maybe into a

496
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: money or more whiny bugle, and then you know, depending

497
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: on how things escalator don't, maybe we'll get into challenge beagles.

498
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: But that's kind of what I would do in that scenario.

499
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: So question four. It's the middle of September. You get

500
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: the camp, mid afternoon, get everything unpacked, head out to

501
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: glass a couple of meadows, and you locate let's say,

502
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: a smaller herd two to five cows, one to two bulls.

503
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: What's your next move that evening? But then also the

504
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 1: next morning, so it depends on how quick I can

505
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: get there. It depends on how quickly those elker moving.

506
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: If you feel like they're gonna hang out in that meadow,

507
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: or if you think they're gonna move, do you feel

508
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: like they're gonna move out of that meadow for the morning.

509
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: Like a lot of this stuff you just have to

510
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: make guesses on, And that's based on how fast the

511
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: alker moving, Are they content are they just sitting feeding

512
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: and not really making up any ground? You know, All

513
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: that stuff will will play in and I will make

514
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: my decision on whether I feel like my chance of

515
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: killing that bull is a high enough level that's worth

516
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: me going over there, or do I feel like the

517
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: wind play is better in the morning, or is the

518
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: wind play gonna be perfect tonight. All that plays into

519
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: whether I'm gonna just watch them maybe just try to

520
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: figure them out so I can keep an eye on

521
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: those elk, But then maybe you're gonna glass a whole

522
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: bunch of other country. Like if I if I invest

523
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: in that night, like yeah, I could go after but

524
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: I think my odds are better in the morning, Well,

525
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: then that's utilize the rest of the evening to try

526
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: to locate herds. Two three, four, and five, and then

527
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: you make your decision on out of those five or

528
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: six options, which one do I think get you know,

529
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: is gonna yield the best percentage or the best chance

530
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: for me to be successful in the morning, and then

531
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: go after those ones. So it just it just really depends.

532
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: I will say, typically default too if I feel like

533
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: there's a good enough chance, I don't like let that

534
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: opportunity get away, because those elk may not be anywhere

535
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: around in the morning. Typically they will be, but there

536
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: are times where you know, you expect them to be

537
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: there in the morning and they're not anywhere to be found,

538
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: and you know, they may not be there at all anymore,

539
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: they may have moved a half a mile away or

540
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: into a different drainage. So I usually try to like,

541
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, seize the moment or capitalize on the on

542
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: the on the opportunity in front of me. But there

543
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: are times where we will you know, kick the can

544
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: down the road, uh, you know, go after him in

545
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: the morning, but then also use night to find more

546
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: additional elk or you know, a lot of times if

547
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: you take off, you can't watch them anymore. You may

548
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: miss a lot of information. If you were to sit

549
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: and watch them for that next two hours. You may

550
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: see bulls coming up and over the ridge line into

551
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: that meadow, or bulls leaving or cows joining, which we'll

552
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: definitely add to you know, some of the things you

553
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: need to think about as you head over there. Last

554
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: question for Troy. The bulls beg lean back and forth

555
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: with you. Every time you try to close a distance

556
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: on him and beagle again, he does a round up

557
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: beagle and pushes out and moves further away. What are

558
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: the tactics to kill this bull? So we do this

559
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: a lot. We call it the kind of that cat

560
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: and mouse we're chasing an elk. It seems like we

561
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: make ground, he moves ground. There's two things you can

562
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: do here, and I would say later in the hunt,

563
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: I would do number one. You can just be very aggressive.

564
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to push that boundary very very close,

565
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: maybe tighter than you have And a lot of times

566
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: I like to save that aggressive play when there's a

567
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: train feature or a vegeta feature in front of you

568
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: that allows you to be a little more aggressive. So

569
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: let's say you're on some finger ridges, you're in some

570
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: timber and you can see the elk kind of crest

571
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: over the top. It's at that point where I may

572
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: just be very quick and try to gain as much

573
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: ground as I can, hoping that that bowl has only moved,

574
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, thirty or forty yards, So we're very very tight.

575
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: But he didn't see me. He didn't hear me as

576
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: I close that distance. The other thing you can do

577
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: is if you know the direction they're ultimately trying to head,

578
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: is pull out and make a big circle out in

579
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: front of them. And now this circle, you also need

580
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: to think. You've got to be very conservative as far

581
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: as not being winded, not being heard to try to

582
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: get out and ahead, and you have to think of

583
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: how fast this herds moving, because you need to make

584
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: a big circle and make sure that you're way out ahead.

585
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: A lot of times the reason this won't work is

586
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: elk aren't dumb animals. If they're moving in a direction,

587
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: I've got to assume that the wind is going to

588
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: be pretty constant in the opposite direction. And so when

589
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: you go to make your circle out in front, how

590
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: are you going to accomplish that without being winded? Because

591
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: elk will not move unless they're spooked or scared. Typically

592
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: in the downwind direction they're going, or I'm gonna get

593
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: my directions off, but they're not. They're walking into the

594
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: wind right and if you get in front of them,

595
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: they're now able to wind you. So keep that in mind.

596
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: So a lot of times if I can make an

597
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: aggressive play, I will without a high risk of spooking them.

598
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: And then there are times where we may just need

599
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: to back out if it's early in a hunt. If

600
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, those elk are content being there, and we

601
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: may just come back at them a different day. So

602
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for all those questions. The last question

603
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: is into us from Jake Harold. He says he's got

604
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: a serious problem that maybe just as equally suited for

605
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: a psychologist as it is for us here on cutting

606
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: the distance. So he has a major case in history

607
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: of bull fever. He's got the good fortune every year

608
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: being able to call an ELC to shooting distance, even

609
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: on solo hunting, but when that bull's coming in, a

610
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: switch flips in his brain and he just gets He says,

611
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: his mind actually gets clear, but he's got some sort

612
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: of an adrenaline dump that is overwhelming and shuts down

613
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: his system. So he talks about being able to call

614
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: a bull in He uh, it was perfect, you know,

615
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: picture perfect at thirty yards, but he couldn't get his

616
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: bow drawn. His you know, his arms felt like they're

617
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: full lead, too heavy to lift. He said. It's like

618
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: he's got a serious issue. That's like psychologically messes him

619
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: up over the encounter. But he doesn't have an issue

620
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: with ky Elk, no issues on rifle hunts with him

621
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: not being able to keep his composure. It just happens

622
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: with big bulls on archery hunts. You know, aside from

623
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: jabbing himself with pins or like clinically diagnosed solutions, what

624
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: can he do to to simulate or learn to manage

625
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: his adrenaline dump. This one's tough, but I can relate.

626
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: I didn't have it to I've never been able to

627
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: not draw my bow, but early in my archery l

628
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: cunting career, and I still do. I get I get

629
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: jacked up, I get excited. I love when when bulls

630
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 1: are moving into my location. There were times I had

631
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of a different issue early on. I

632
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: couldn't I would forget everything that I knew from that

633
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: summer or from shooting at the range on how to

634
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: aim my bow everything fell apart. Like I can get

635
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: my bow drawn, I can get what I thought was

636
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: everything settled down, but I would forget to level my bubble.

637
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: I would forget to you know, like talk myself through

638
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: which pin I'm going to use, settle the pin, pick

639
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: a spot. So I didn't have the same issue. I

640
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: went through a scenario. And one thing that worked for me, Jake,

641
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: was to really methodically practice a system, whether you've got

642
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: to talk to yourself, whether you've got to you know,

643
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: make a sticker and stick it on your riser, and

644
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: it could be as simple as breathe. You know. Uh,

645
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: there might be times where and I'm not I'm not

646
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: going to try to clinically diagnose why you couldn't get

647
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: your bow drawn, But a lot of times, guys, will

648
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: you stop breathing for forty five you know, it's almost

649
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: like you hold your breath and that can affect you

650
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: being able to get your bow drawn. So, you know,

651
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: writing something on your riser as simple as like breathe,

652
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: draw you know, anchor Like I know you say you're

653
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: saying you can't get to that, but just like the

654
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: reminder of breathe and then when you're out practicing before

655
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: your shots. You know, when you're practicing, you know in

656
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: your driveway or your range and getting ready to uh

657
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: to for season, Like make sure you add that in,

658
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: Like you give yourself like ten seconds of calculated, methodical breathing,

659
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: deep breast hold it in. You know all I'm not

660
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: claiming to be you know, a guy that's going to

661
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: teach you how to you know, do all that. But

662
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: whatever your breathing system is, like practice it and you

663
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: know some of those things just having a simple checklist, breathe, draw,

664
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: draw early, whatever it is, like, come up with a

665
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: system that will allow you to get through some of

666
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: these difficult or sticky points. You know, it's tough because

667
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here trying to tell you what maybe maybe

668
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: you should do. But I don't know if breathing is

669
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: going to help you one bit. But it's to come

670
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: up with the way, you know, whitetail hunters. It's a

671
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: little bit of a different mechanism. But guys that sit

672
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: out and freeze in a tree stand have have trouble

673
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: drawing their bows. So I feel like a lot of

674
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: guy set ups are more than capable for ELK. Like

675
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you're telling me. You couldn't have drawn a

676
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: thirty pound bow back. It wouldn't have mattered, but maybe

677
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: less than your poundage to get through that. You know.

678
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: I had a good hunt with one of my good

679
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: buddies at one time, and he went through a weird

680
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: thing where he couldn't get his bow drawn back. The

681
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: bull spooch terns ten yards and twirls and he's able

682
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: to get his bow all the way back. So I

683
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: think our body, our nervous system, does a bunch of

684
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: weird stuff we can't control. But uh man, Yeah, aside

685
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: from a psychologist or some sort of like EpiPen injection,

686
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do besides create like a

687
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: very methodical, laid out step by step plan that you

688
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: need to go through on every time you encounter a

689
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: bowl coming to your location. That's about all I've got

690
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: to offer on that one. Is. You know, aside for me,

691
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: the more I get myself put in those situations, the

692
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: more like calm, cool and collective I am, which sounds

693
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: like you're able to call bowls in every year. So

694
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily the issue. It's it's just you know,

695
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: the the body breaks down and you know, one of

696
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: the things. It's not your situation good, but I love it.

697
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: It's what it keeps me coming back, like that adrenaline dump.

698
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: But you do need to find a way to manage it.

699
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: So best of luck on that. Like I say, I

700
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: think coming up with the system and then using that

701
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: system even when you're practicing, when it doesn't matter, talking

702
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: yourself through it, write it on your bow and hopefully

703
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: that works out for you, Jake. So that's the end

704
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: of our listener questions are quite a few of them there.

705
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: Once again, if you have a question for me or

706
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: any of my guests, please send us a message on

707
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: social media or email us at CTD at Phelpsgamecalls dot com.

708
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: So today we you know, I wanted to get into

709
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: what for me seems like and I don't want to

710
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: call them out of the box because these should definitely

711
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: be in your toolbox type ideas, but stuff that we

712
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: don't talk or educate on or preach as much. So

713
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: I really wanted to dive into those and maybe let

714
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: let you know when I would use those and when

715
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: when I think they've they've got like the best utility.

716
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm searching, and I've said it over and over.

717
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm out there searching for a specific interaction with the elk.

718
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: I want them to bugle, I want them to respond,

719
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: and I want to keep that up until we until

720
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: we call them in. And if you've watched some of

721
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: our videos, it may seem at time like we're buggling

722
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: every twenty five seconds. Now, now I do have to

723
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: throw a little caveat in there. Remember, we are editing

724
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: these things down to the point where it's not really

725
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: exciting just to see us standing there. So you we

726
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: don't bugle that much as we do in the videos.

727
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: But we're also smart enough to realize that there are

728
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: a lot of guys out there that are successful year

729
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: in and year out that don't call the way we do.

730
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: They don't hunt as aggressive as we do. So I

731
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: want to talk about some of those things and way

732
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: and ways that you can find success that maybe aren't

733
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: cranking on a bugle, Maybe aren't you know, using the

734
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: die fram maybe don't use calls at all. So we're

735
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: going to dive into those. We answered a question just

736
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: a little bit ago on you know, hunting hunting bed

737
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: at elk, so heading into their bedding zone quietly, being

738
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: very patient, almost like a spot in stock hunter the

739
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: same way you know you do spot in stock You're

740
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: hearing beagles, you know where they're at. That can be very,

741
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: very productive for me. I sometimes have trouble not calling,

742
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: but there are times, especially in Roosevelt Country, or if

743
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: I've got really good ideas and I've got a good

744
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: pattern on these elk, where I've went into alder patches

745
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: on an elk trail with the wind right, been extremely quiet,

746
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: and been able to get within bow range of an elk.

747
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: I can remember early early in my bow hunting, you know,

748
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: back back in the early days of bow hunting, where

749
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: I was able to kill a bowl by letting him.

750
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: You know, we followed them all morning, We listened to him.

751
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: We knew the setup wasn't good, the wind was never right.

752
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Let them get into their bedding. We waited an hour,

753
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: hour and a half, let them get comfortable, and we

754
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: then just knew we had some trail systems that we

755
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: could get on without making any noise. Now we always

756
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: talk about, oh, I love archery hunting because I can

757
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: snap sticks and I can break limbs, and the elk

758
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: know the elks should be making sounds. If I'm going

759
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: into a bedding zone. And my goal is to shoot

760
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: an elk that's in there without him knowing that I'm

761
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: in there. I'm going to be like stealth mode quiet.

762
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: I want to go in there, not step on a stick.

763
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: And as you approach. As much as I sometimes don't

764
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: like getting my binoculars out, anytime a new little sliver

765
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: of horizon opens up or a new visible section, you

766
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: need to have your binoculars out. And when you're going

767
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: up over let's say a rise. You know, we all

768
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: know how fast like country opens up for every little

769
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: inch or to you, your eyes pop up. You're literally

770
00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: taking a four inch six inch step and glassing you're moving.

771
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: You do not want to get picked off by a cow,

772
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: a bowl, anything that's there. You're you're moving very very slow,

773
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: and you're really picking them apart. Now there is some

774
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: risk associated with us that I don't want to like,

775
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: not talk about. When you're heading into their betting zone.

776
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: Roosevelts especially are so patternable, similar with rockies, Like if

777
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: they've got a betting zone, they like that that provides

778
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, the shade, the security, the wind security, you know,

779
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: swirling winds, whatever it may be. They're going to continue

780
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: to use that, and if you're early in a hunt

781
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: or it may bugger these things up and make these

782
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: elk a little bit unhuntable for a day or two.

783
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: Not always, but if you get picked off or if

784
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: you bump them out of an area where they're comfortable,

785
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: just remember you may have just hurt your odds if

786
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: you wanted to continue to hunt these elk. So if

787
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: you're going to head into their betting area quietly, the

788
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: other thing that typically happens when you have to head

789
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: into their betting area is you don't get the wind perfect.

790
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: You're you're not going to be able to get the

791
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: wind right. You're typically gonna want to head in with

792
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: a wind that's maybe only ninety degrees right, So rather

793
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: than you know, one hundred and eighty degrees on your nose,

794
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: you're going to go in with the wind maybe hitting

795
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: at ninety and so your approach needs to be a

796
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: little more methodical, and you almost have to make a

797
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: decision where you think those ulkra at. But I've always

798
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: been super comfortable as long as the wind is moving,

799
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, side to side on me left, right, right

800
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: to left, I'm comfortable going in there. But typically you're

801
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: not going to be able to approach a betting zone

802
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: with the wind perfect, it just doesn't work. Or if

803
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: you do, the majority of the time they've got additional

804
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: satellite bowls or they've got, you know, things that are

805
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: going to pick you off before you get to the

806
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: main herd. I can remember a time in Idaho we

807
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: had a great plan. We knew exactly where they betted.

808
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: We can kind of see through the burnt timber into

809
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: a shady patch. All the elk betted there. But what

810
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: we didn't see the two satellite bowls that were directly

811
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: down wind of the herd. So I've now changed my approach.

812
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: I'd assume go into the bedding area with the wind

813
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: a little more favorable to the elk. It seems like

814
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: we run into less uh lookouts and things that are

815
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna blow the whole situation for us. And and their

816
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: eyes are typically you know, watching their their their their

817
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: down wind side wallow hunting. I don't have the patience

818
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: for it, but we should always recognize when wallows can

819
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: be effective. And I was on a hunt in Montana

820
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago where we couldn't figure out

821
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: exactly why elk were in certain areas at times and

822
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: it was almost like clockwork. But we later late in

823
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: the hunt, almost a little bit too late, discovered that

824
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: there were some wallows in the area that were getting hammered.

825
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: And when we would be you know, chasing elk up

826
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: and down a creek ball and then they would hit

827
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: a spot and then they would reverse, We're like, what

828
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: the hell and why did that happen? Come to find

829
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: out it was wallows. So I'm not a huge fan

830
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: of wallows in the morning now, not saying they can't happen,

831
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: but I like, if I'm gonna sit on a wallow,

832
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: which I have done in the past, not with a

833
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: lot of success, but we've had trail cameras on wallows,

834
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: so we've got a lot of good data, I would

835
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: just assume sit on a wallow, you know, if those

836
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: elk and that are getting back to bed at ten

837
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: from about betting on and this kind of keeps me excited.

838
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: So for me, I'd like to chase bugles glass for

839
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: bowls early in the morning, and then if I'm gonna

840
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: switch to a wallow set up, I'm gonna do it

841
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: that that bedding time. And the reason for that is

842
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: as the temperatures heat up, is that bowl goes and

843
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: beds down. Has heard a lot of times he will

844
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: bed them down and then he will come get a

845
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: drink of water, you know, afterwards, or come wallow in

846
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: there to cool down or both. The same thing with

847
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: satellite bowls. A lot of times in the morning they're

848
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: moving with the herd or off of the herd from

849
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: feed the bed. You know, there's they're they're just shadowing that.

850
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: But they may swing in, you know, and grab water

851
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: earlier or later midday. And then a lot of times

852
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: where a wallow will pan out is when those when

853
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: the bowl or the herd gets up from there from

854
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: their betting area and they're gonna head towards their feet area,

855
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: they will swing by and and swing by the wallow

856
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: prior to their nighttime feeding routine. It's it's very patternable.

857
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: The one thing which we talk about all the time

858
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: is the direction. One thing I like to think about

859
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: and I will not sit wallows if it doesn't pencil

860
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: out this way is where are those are going to

861
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: approach from? And can I keep the wind right at

862
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: the time when they're gonna get here. So one of

863
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: the downsides to wallows is uh, what's the wind direction

864
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: going to be doing at the time that those elk

865
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: get here? And a lot of times, yeah, I don't

866
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: know what you call the time. It's like that shadow

867
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: that that shadow time right where the the shadows start

868
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: to get long. It's like, all right, you just know

869
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: that elk should be getting up on their feet. It's

870
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: cool down now. The sun's at a point on the

871
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: horizon where everything's cooling off. When it gets to that,

872
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: the wind is typically swirllly, right, we don't We all

873
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: know thermals are changing. All of that changes a lot

874
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: of times. It makes it very tough to sit a

875
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: wallow and keep the wind right. So if I'm going

876
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: to pick that out, you know, is it down below

877
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: their bedding? Is it up above? What time are they

878
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: going to get here? My banking on them getting here

879
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: late after the thermals have changed before. So you just

880
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: got to be fairly careful on sitting a wallow not

881
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: to not to bump them out. And you know, maybe

882
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: it resorts more back to whitetail hunting. But as I

883
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: approach the wallow, like where did I just leave my

884
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: cent trail? Was I able to approach that wallow from

885
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: a direction that no elk is going to have to

886
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: cross that, or a high probability that elk aren't going

887
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: to cross that. So you're because I've I've I've entered

888
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: an area called elk in and had them cross my track,

889
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: and I'm about zero percent successful on bulls or cows

890
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: or any elk being willing to cross my track. So

891
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: we need to be very smart on how we approach

892
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: those wallows, how we get to them, and then where

893
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: we set up on them. One thing that will fix

894
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: the wind a little bit, and it depends a little

895
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: bit on the wallow, whether it's in a depression or

896
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: whether it's high on a ridge, or if it's a

897
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: hanging wallow. You know, is you can use a tree stand.

898
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: Now I've never tree stand hunted elk, but I understand

899
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: well enough that there are certain you know, locations, Let's

900
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: say there's a finger ridge that runs by a wallow,

901
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 1: or the ability for us to get our scent up

902
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: and above which gives us a whole lot more probability

903
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: that those elk aren't gonna win us when they get

904
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: to the wallow. So tree stands you can use. Over

905
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: a wallow, you can also use tree stands on main

906
00:46:54,120 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: travel corridors. This is for for patternable elk. They number one.

907
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: Just like when you're hunting white tails or anything, out

908
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: of a tree stand, it gets their eyes off of you,

909
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: so it gives you that freedom to be able to

910
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: not be seen and it get once again. It gets

911
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: the wind out of your way. So I like tree stands.

912
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: If you're in a very patternable area that you know

913
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: the elk are going to the visit by all means,

914
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: a tree stand is a great idea if you've got

915
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: the patients. Now. The one problem with me and a

916
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: tree stand is if I heard a bowl bugle and

917
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: I didn't feel they were coming my way, I would

918
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: get back down onto my tree stand and go chase bugles.

919
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: So it wouldn't work for me. But if you're patient,

920
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, I know guys that sit on wallows for ten, fifteen,

921
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: twenty days and finally make it happen. It takes a

922
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: lot of patient I would say tree stand hunting requires

923
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a long game play, but

924
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: can be very very effective. Next up is ambush. Once

925
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: again comes back to patternable. I would say, you know,

926
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: tree stands kind of like the long game ambush, where

927
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: ambush is something that you're going to do very quickly

928
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: that morning. You know we've we've spotted elk, or we

929
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: see elk and we know that they're going to use

930
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: like that certain pass that's on the ridge line, or

931
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna go down through this bottom, or

932
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: they're going to this timber patch. If you've got good

933
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: data on these elk, or good direction or good bead,

934
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: I always kind of consider the way we hunt an

935
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: ambush style. I am trying to cover as much no

936
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: pun intended. I'm cutting the distance. I'm covering as much

937
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: ground with my feet as I want that elk. I

938
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: want to do ninety nine percent of the work, and

939
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: I want those elk to have to move a very

940
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: very short distance. But let's say you don't want to

941
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: call it all. Let's say there's reason you've tried to

942
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: call these elk it's not working. In that case, I'm

943
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: gonna put all my calls in my pocket and I'm

944
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: gonna go over to where I think these elk are

945
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: going to go. Buy Some of the cons with ambushing

946
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: is time right? Uh? Are they going to get there

947
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: in time? Are they going to take their time. Another

948
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: concern is are they going to change their pattern just

949
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: slightly you know when uh, you know, we could do

950
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: all the very complex math. But if elk take just

951
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: a slightly different direction from where they're at to where

952
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: you want them to go by, they're now out of

953
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: archery range, right, so you need to maybe you set

954
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: up in a conservative ambush spot, maybe back in the

955
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: timber a little bit more. That way, if they're not

956
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: going to go on your trail, you've got the ability

957
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: to move unseen versus some people. I know, they get

958
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: out on the edge, maybe out in the open, and

959
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: then when the elk decide not to take their path,

960
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: they're kind of pinned down. So there's that. I think

961
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: it's a human trait where we just want to be

962
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: able to see what's going on versus a little more

963
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: conservative Maybe you can listen to beagles and that can

964
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: tell you which direction they're going, you know you can,

965
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: you can make an adjustment on that and once again ambush.

966
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: Same thing we talk about over and over, what's the

967
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: wind going to be doing? And there are times where

968
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: you get into scenario once you decide that you're not

969
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: going to call, I would go over there and not call.

970
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: There's always things that run through my head like, oh,

971
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: I think I should call now because of this, and

972
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: it never seems to work. At the point where I

973
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: decide it hasn't worked the last couple of times, I'm

974
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: gonna go over there and truly ambush and set up,

975
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: not call, and hope that they walk by my location

976
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: the last and one of the reasons I don't like

977
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: ambush style without calling, not saying you need to call.

978
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: But one of the other things you're gonna have to

979
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: consider is how far off of this trail do you

980
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: want to set up. There are times where elk will

981
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: move in more of a single file line, but there

982
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: are times where they're running pretty wide right. But guess

983
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: which elk during the rut is typically always last. It's

984
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: the bowl, or he's very close to the end. Not

985
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: saying it always works that way, but a lot of

986
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: times if you're not calling, that bull is kind of

987
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: keeping his herd, heard it up, or he's broke a

988
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: cow off. But they're typically one of the last elk

989
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: to come along. So one of the things that you

990
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: have to think about and is always a little nerve wracking,

991
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: is how are you in a location. Are you in

992
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: an ambush spot that lets all of these elk go

993
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: by you? Is the wind good enough that they're not

994
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: going to catch your wind? You know, thirty yards past you,

995
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: because it may take them to get eighty yards past

996
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: you before that bull goes by. So think about all

997
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: of this as you're setting up for an ambush. Bull's

998
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: going to be you know, always assume the ball is

999
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: going to be last because you need to make it through.

1000
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: That is a win good enough for that to happen,

1001
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: And then you know, if all those boxes get checked

1002
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: and it's it's a decent ambush. Spot spot in stock

1003
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: very similar to an ambush versus you're doing as much

1004
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: moving as they're doing. You're trying to find a spot

1005
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: or you're trying to find a spot where you've finally

1006
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: got enough of an advantage without being seen without being heard,

1007
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: and typically that advantage is going to come through terrain

1008
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: or through the vegetation. It allows you to move without

1009
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: being seen, maybe it allows you to move without being heard.

1010
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: So spot in stock there are guys that do it

1011
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: very effective, and the guys that are good at it

1012
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: are just just as successful as the best callers. The

1013
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: guys that run the best callings you know, or any

1014
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: of these other things. It's a very effective way and

1015
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: sometimes a very rewarding and fun challenge to just shadow

1016
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: the herd, shadow the herd until you get yourself into

1017
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: a location where you can move in for a shot,

1018
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: or a lot of times when you're spot in stocking,

1019
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: you're getting just close enough that you want that bowl

1020
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: to break off and make a loop on another bowl,

1021
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: or break a cow off and make a loop back

1022
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: from the herd in your direction just enough where you

1023
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: can get a shot. And so that's typically when you

1024
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: know you're spotting and stocking. You're either shadowing the herd,

1025
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: staying close enough that they make a mistake, or there

1026
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: are times where you know if the train allows or

1027
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: if you're able to keep the wind right and make

1028
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: calculated decisions on where you need to get ahead of

1029
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: them so that they, you know, veer by you or

1030
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: kind of rub off, you know, rub by your location

1031
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: another great way to bot in stock. And a lot

1032
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: of times there are times where you just get herds

1033
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: that seem to be disinterested in you calling. They don't

1034
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: care that you're over there calling. You can just tell

1035
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: they're not answering you, they're answering the other elk, they're

1036
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: answering the other bulls that are there. They just don't.

1037
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: And a lot of times if there's a bowl in

1038
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: there that you want to kill or you want to

1039
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: go after, that is when the spot in stock kind

1040
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: of ends up being the right key. They don't give

1041
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: a darn about you calling at all. They could care

1042
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: less that that you're even in existence. You got to

1043
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: switch that spot in stock and make that happen. And

1044
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: then the last thing I wanted to talk about, which

1045
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: we can do in Washington and check all of your

1046
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: local rules and laws, and for anybody where this is

1047
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: illegal in your state, don't listen to this part. But

1048
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: baiting can be very very effective. You know here in Washington,

1049
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: it seems like everybody's always searching for apples that somebody

1050
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: has fallen behind your you know, under your apple tree,

1051
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: and can we get them and can we put them together?

1052
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't bait here, but we have

1053
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: some weird rule. I'm gonna get it completely wrong, but

1054
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: it's basically you can have five or ten gallons of

1055
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: bait every two hundred and fifty yard space. Blah blah blah.

1056
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: But but there are rules that govern it and here

1057
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: for for deer and elk, it's it's legal debate and

1058
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: very very patternable. The nice thing is once you got

1059
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: this pattern down, even during the rut, these elk will

1060
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: typically swing by to see what's you know, in your

1061
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: apple pile, or what's in your alfalfa pile or whatever

1062
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: you're using, you know, crack corn, whatever it may be.

1063
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: They they become very patentable, which is nice because that

1064
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: now lets you set up your ground blind, or that

1065
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: now lets you set up your tree stand in the

1066
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: opposite direction. You know, from a trail camera, you can

1067
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: see how they're going to approach, where they're going to approach.

1068
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna know what the winds like in that location

1069
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: the majority of the time. So baiting can be very

1070
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: very So you know, I have a high level of success.

1071
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into the arguments over whether

1072
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: it's ethical or any of that. It is what it is.

1073
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that it can be very effective. And

1074
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: if you know, I like the idea for young kids

1075
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: that are trying to get their first elk maybe you

1076
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: know elderly or and I say that not as a

1077
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: not to put people down that do it that aren't

1078
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: young or elderly, but it's an effective way. Like in

1079
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: the end, I always try to remember we're all out

1080
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: here for different reasons. I love eating milk still, right.

1081
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: We talk about all of this and we we go

1082
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: do it in the mountains and whatever. But in the end,

1083
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: it's like I just want to freezeer full of elk.

1084
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: And so it's a great strategy if it's legal, and

1085
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: people should look into it if available. So those are

1086
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: we didn't spend a whole lot of time, but those

1087
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: are things and ideas. There's kind of a pros and

1088
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: cons in the heading into betting zone. There's pros and

1089
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: cons the wallows, ambushing spot in stock tree stand hunting, baiting.

1090
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: But those are some things you always need to think about.

1091
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: And they're never below me or above me. Why I'm

1092
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: out there elkhunting. I'm always trying to call them in

1093
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: but and it's typically triggered by the bigger bulls. If

1094
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: bigger bulls aren't susceptible to calling, but I definitely want

1095
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: to focus on them or I want a chance to

1096
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: kill that bowl. These are the things that we start

1097
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: to think about all right, So I gotta go get

1098
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: him in his betting zone without making a call. Do

1099
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: I is he visiting a wallow that I think is

1100
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: over there? Because you know, ONYX map shows a depression

1101
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: that seems to have water. Am I gonna have to

1102
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: ambush him? You know, all of these things come into play,

1103
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: and they're always an option. They're always uh, you know,

1104
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: in the toolbox, and we will use them occasionally throughout

1105
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: a hunt if we feel that that is our best

1106
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: success of killing that bowl. And like I say, it's

1107
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: a little cliche, but I'm always every decision we make,

1108
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: every bowl we go after, like in the back of

1109
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: my mind, it's always like, well, that's got a thirteen

1110
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: percent chance of work, and I give this a two

1111
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: percent chance of work. And you know, if some of

1112
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: these other things, like all right, I honestly think they've

1113
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: went through that gap two nights in a row. At

1114
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: this time, it's within a five minute span. I'm going

1115
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: in there with pretty high confidence that that's going to work.

1116
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: So you're always weighing your options. Yeah, there's multiple ways

1117
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: to do this and be successful and in the end,

1118
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: find something that you love to do, Like if you

1119
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: love calling elk, then go do it that way if

1120
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: you love to call oak, but it doesn't matter if

1121
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: you you know, wait on a wallow, go do that.

1122
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: Go out and elk hunt, enjoy the rut in September.

1123
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: It's a magical time to be in the woods. And

1124
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: go do it however you want to do it, regardless

1125
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: of whether you know, I'd rather be a glow bowling

1126
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: or you know that's what you want to do. Go

1127
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: have fun. We appreciate y' all, thanks for joining in

1128
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: listening to this episode of cutting the Distance, and we

1129
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: got another. We'll have some more Elk episodes heading your way,

1130
00:57:36,520 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: as September is getting really really close. The copy a

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Speaker 1: fam