Speaker 1: I'm Little Duval and this is Conversations with the podcast.
Speaker 1: Today's guest is a West Coast rapper and founder of
Speaker 1: Good Company, an organization that helps promote the rising Bay
Speaker 1: Area artists. Let's welcome my Guyl Russell. What's up, It's
Speaker 1: alive and direct, Its your boy, little duke, all your
Speaker 1: country cousin, you know, vibe in DC, y'all back head
Speaker 1: with all you know.
Speaker 2: We got a special guests, just like every time we
Speaker 2: own this bitch.
Speaker 1: But this nigga here, just like one of the young, young,
Speaker 1: young o g mined niggas that I fucked with from
Speaker 1: a distance, I never got a chance to God damn
Speaker 1: get to get to meet. Now I finally get to
Speaker 1: meet him on this ship. So let me introduce you
Speaker 1: all to my man, the Russell. What's up, nigga?
Speaker 3: Come on, man, gratitude. That was a great intro nigga,
Speaker 3: as you were saying. And I'm like, I wish my
Speaker 3: mama did this interview with me. I should have went house.
Speaker 1: For real, nigga.
Speaker 3: How is man would have been excited?
Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine, twenty nine, Hey man, Ben, Me and
Speaker 1: Charla made talk about you all the time, man, cause
Speaker 1: like like some some young motherfuckers, I be like, like,
Speaker 1: I see it. I'd be like, all right, they might
Speaker 1: need a little healthy certain shit, but with you, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: he got it. You know what I'm saying. Like it's
Speaker 1: like I ain't talking about as far as you you
Speaker 1: already made it, but I'm saying, like the mindset and
Speaker 1: the understanding, right, you already got the understanding of everything.
Speaker 1: So it's like even when it's doing even when they
Speaker 1: was like, hey man, let's get him on the shops,
Speaker 1: like he don't really need much from me but maybe
Speaker 1: a life ship. But as far as understanding the game,
Speaker 1: you got it, nigga. Or you know what's dope about that.
Speaker 3: I'm finally out of age now where I see certain
Speaker 3: young niggas and I'm either like he got it or
Speaker 3: I'm like, m nigga, get using that. You feel me?
Speaker 3: So that that's how it is for real.
Speaker 1: It's it's for real because like it's like certain kids,
Speaker 1: like when you have kids, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: got it or not, but when you have kids, you'll
Speaker 1: start looking at some kids you'd be like, oh nah,
Speaker 1: I ain't got worried about him. He gonna be all right,
Speaker 1: but then you see that one year he'd be like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta got there, get his bail money ready because
Speaker 1: he gonna be wid. You see what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: but some people you just ain't gotta you ain't gotta
Speaker 1: worry about. Some with you, we just be like, man,
Speaker 1: this nigga, this nigga here, good man for so tell
Speaker 1: him about you man for the people. For my heart
Speaker 1: is that don't know you know, cause you know I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a old hend you know what I'm saying, which
Speaker 1: I like being. You know what I'm saying, But introduce
Speaker 1: yourself and love know a little about you, Mike. For
Speaker 1: those that don't know.
Speaker 3: First of all, I run a collective called good Company.
Speaker 3: I wrap. I hate having to say all these things.
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, man, because you're like, oh God,
Speaker 1: like it's hard to I ain't. When people ask me
Speaker 1: so what you did, man, I'm like, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3: Right, A lot of ship, a lot of shit. You
Speaker 3: know a lot of things, and I do a lot
Speaker 3: of ship. That's the best.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: So because it seems like you gotta understand, Like I said,
Speaker 1: when did you figure out, Like, all right, I got it.
Speaker 1: I think I understand how to I ain't said you
Speaker 1: got the you know the game, but you got understanding
Speaker 1: enough to understand how to move after situation you at now.
Speaker 3: It's really came in increments throughout like every time. Every
Speaker 3: time early I thought I had it, I learned some
Speaker 3: shit late and be like Nigga, I don't know what
Speaker 3: the fuck I was talking about. You feel me? So
Speaker 3: it's really is a growing thing. I've had more. I
Speaker 3: have a moment every day where I feel that. But
Speaker 3: I feel like the insurgence was like I started working
Speaker 3: for like ups after I graduated high school.
Speaker 2: You know that's a good job.
Speaker 3: Nigga's drive uper throughout the winner for the season. It
Speaker 3: was like it was a bulldob though Nigga was you know,
Speaker 3: but I learned a lot from that job. I learned
Speaker 3: how different my capacity and work ethic was like Nigga.
Speaker 3: I used to grab packages and run to the houses
Speaker 3: and drop them bitches off and truck I used to
Speaker 3: go in the back and it was just a lot
Speaker 3: of ship that I was doing that was improving the workflow.
Speaker 3: That I was noticing early was.
Speaker 1: Your rapping at that time too. I was rapping. Wasn't
Speaker 1: even the thing that I was.
Speaker 3: I was like rapping subsequently, like not not trying to
Speaker 3: make it just just as a hobby.
Speaker 1: And that's as as a hobby. Yeah, like this hobby
Speaker 1: for hobby. This I feel Lego. These all my little
Speaker 1: legos I be building and ship.
Speaker 3: Oh down, nigga do ball leg man my one of
Speaker 3: my best friends. He got we got some Lego figures
Speaker 3: around the crib.
Speaker 1: Oh, nigga, don't make me shure. I got added to
Speaker 1: whatever I bet y'all got it.
Speaker 3: Hilarious.
Speaker 1: I got all this ship man. I love this ship man.
Speaker 1: But yeah, finish, finish, finish what you were saying at
Speaker 1: my fault, I'm hot to.
Speaker 3: So that's perfect. That's a perfect combination, nigga combination. Nah.
Speaker 3: But when I was doing that ship, every driver that
Speaker 3: I had worked with took a liking to me, and
Speaker 3: they was like, I'm gonna hit you when I do
Speaker 3: my route, when I when I'm make sure they give
Speaker 3: me you you feel me. So I started noticing that
Speaker 3: ship early and as I thank throughout my journey doing jobs,
Speaker 3: whatever position I came in asked was never what I
Speaker 3: left ass and it was happening fast. So I just
Speaker 3: I just knew, like the work, I knew, I understood
Speaker 3: that part of my journey. Then you feel you understood.
Speaker 1: That you had a personality that people was drawing to.
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy. I didn't even think it was
Speaker 3: my personality. Then I thought it was the fact I
Speaker 3: was working hard, But.
Speaker 1: It was reality.
Speaker 3: That's all funny, that could have been it.
Speaker 1: That's all it is with you. That's why people like
Speaker 1: like in general like while people like me. I mean,
Speaker 1: the talent is is a is a bonus, but it's
Speaker 1: they see theyself in you. Are they are they see
Speaker 1: a family member in you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like that's what they see it. That's what draw
Speaker 1: up to you. Don't ever get it over. That's what,
Speaker 1: especially in this day and age, would enforce and everything. Nigga.
Speaker 1: That's what it is, Nigga. It's the and it's genuine.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Because a lot of shit
Speaker 1: you can see through it or why I can, like,
Speaker 1: you can fool a lot of motherfuckers because a lot
Speaker 1: it's a mat the mother for us good at being good,
Speaker 1: being a good fake guy you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but some people you can just see right through. You
Speaker 1: can see like it's them. And and don't get it twisted.
Speaker 1: It's still a character because you have to be a
Speaker 1: character for entertained wise, but you can see it as
Speaker 1: a character of who you are in general. You get
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and that's what and that's what's and
Speaker 1: that's what's genuine in your and your lyrics and your personality.
Speaker 2: And your prayer and in your social media and everything.
Speaker 2: That's why you wearing nigga.
Speaker 3: Come on. The nigga gave you the word.
Speaker 4: Come on, hey man, that's the weed talking here. That's
Speaker 4: the talk fact fact. I love it. Gratitude man, I
Speaker 4: appreciate that. So I heard you was going on it.
Speaker 4: They was telling me because yesterday was supposed to do it,
Speaker 4: but you had to do something. E was telling me.
Speaker 2: All you're going on a retreat or some ship.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yep, going on man. So it's this Indian
Speaker 3: mystic name sad Guru who was one of my favorite
Speaker 3: just a favorite human of mine. But he teaches like
Speaker 3: you go on YouTube and he just teach you about life.
Speaker 2: Ship.
Speaker 3: But like Nigga, just ask him questions and he just
Speaker 3: give you an answer. Right. He wrote a couple of
Speaker 3: books here, author and shit. So I just been reading
Speaker 3: his Ship and watching Ship for like the past few years,
Speaker 3: and randomly they reached out to me and was like,
Speaker 3: we're doing a private retreat and we want to welcome
Speaker 3: you to it and invite you. And it was just like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck.
Speaker 2: That's dope, man, that's dope that you're doing it at
Speaker 2: that heze too.
Speaker 1: Man, you feel like your little son like like I said,
Speaker 1: I ain't no kid to any but you feel like
Speaker 1: my lither nephew like, and this nigga doing everything right
Speaker 1: nigga like.
Speaker 3: You do.
Speaker 1: And you doing it at the right time too, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because it's that's when he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be doing at that journey, at your age, at
Speaker 1: the you turn the twenty, that going into your thirties.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So you have full understanding.
Speaker 1: And you gonna be all right, nigga, come on, So Ship,
Speaker 1: Like I said, this this show too is bout like
Speaker 1: you ask any kind of question. You asked me anything
Speaker 1: about life, anything you anything, and if you if the
Speaker 1: answer too deep or too crazy that you don't want
Speaker 1: to answer, Well, we can cut this shit out because
Speaker 1: it's this ship is my ship. I don't give a
Speaker 1: fuck like I don't have to. I'm not the clickbake
Speaker 1: nigga do this ship. I give a fuck.
Speaker 3: Okay, here I got, I got my first unk question
Speaker 3: all because you have you have this cast, but you
Speaker 3: get to you get to smoke weed and talk your
Speaker 3: ship in the in the form that you do. So
Speaker 3: how did that? How does that deal look for you?
Speaker 3: And what did you negotiate.
Speaker 1: With this one right here?
Speaker 3: With with this right here, right this one?
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, honestly, this still was because I really never
Speaker 1: want I'm I really never want to do a podcast, honestly.
Speaker 1: Only reason I did this because my man, he my
Speaker 1: mad Clay, this is like my my, my, my manager,
Speaker 1: like my older brother and everything. He was everything to me,
Speaker 1: and he kept forcing my hand to do it because
Speaker 1: everybody want me to get in the podcast.
Speaker 2: And I ain't even never want to do this ship
Speaker 2: because I'm wonder the people.
Speaker 1: If I see everybody doing it, I don't want to
Speaker 1: do it, you know what I'm saying. And then then
Speaker 1: once I see how it skinning, how they the game winners.
Speaker 1: Like all right, I ain't, but everybody keep telling me
Speaker 1: to do it. So he was who made one told
Speaker 1: me to do it. Then he died. He just died,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So I'm really doing it
Speaker 1: for him, to be honest with you. So really the deal,
Speaker 1: the deal was really all for this nigga, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like he got he got the money,
Speaker 1: he got half the money and died.
Speaker 3: Contract that'swell to God.
Speaker 1: And I did it with black effect because they are
Speaker 1: really my family, like with Dolly and Charlemagne. So it's
Speaker 1: really like a family thing. I do it for because
Speaker 1: like honestly, I wouldn't even doing this shit if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for them, honestly, because I post that this this
Speaker 1: this this show, this ship was three four years old.
Speaker 1: I suposta have been there this shit. I just ain't
Speaker 1: did it. But they so cool, They so cool with me,
Speaker 1: because like this is real like family, family, and that's
Speaker 1: a good thing because like for for people to be
Speaker 1: in power to have family and you could do what
Speaker 1: you want to do, like cause I was fucked up
Speaker 1: when I got hit by console.
Speaker 2: I was out for like a year.
Speaker 1: So they could have took the money back and everything,
Speaker 1: but I said, fuck, but they didn't trimp off of
Speaker 1: it and they waited for me. So really, I'm just.
Speaker 3: Doing it now just because there that's hard. That's beautiful, man,
Speaker 3: that's that that shit leads to such a render outcome.
Speaker 1: Than then.
Speaker 3: I do everything for bro like I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: do everything.
Speaker 1: I mean I do everything for love. And the money
Speaker 1: part it just came natural. I never had to chase
Speaker 1: money in my life, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I'm blessed like that because I in certain times when
Speaker 1: I came in the game, when I was younger, so
Speaker 1: I it just was a blessing. At the same time,
Speaker 1: I never had to chase it, so I never cared
Speaker 1: about money like most people do.
Speaker 2: It just naturally came and the business came part of it.
Speaker 1: Just all to just understand the simple shit Like I
Speaker 1: never complicated my business, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: always kept my business simple as fuck, and I always
Speaker 1: kept my business kind of private too. I don't let
Speaker 1: everybody in on my business because once you give everybody
Speaker 1: your business, it's not a big it's it becomes it
Speaker 1: becomes saturated. Like the podcast business.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying, right, No, yigga, hey, nigga. Right,
Speaker 3: it becomes very filter like it don't be real, it
Speaker 3: be scripts, and it just it's kind an extra. Do
Speaker 3: you think that that improves the outcome? Though?
Speaker 2: As far as what give me what you mean?
Speaker 3: I do you feel like when we be going to
Speaker 3: like those podcasts and maybe having the scripts and the
Speaker 3: saying all that shit, like it be better quality or
Speaker 3: so not really though.
Speaker 1: Cause shit, no, it's like I mean, honestly, when you
Speaker 1: do the podcast doing I do it for a reason.
Speaker 1: There has to be a real reason behind why I'm
Speaker 1: doing it, or I have to be a person that
Speaker 1: I really fuck with, you see what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: if it's somebody I really fuck with, I just do them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like, because because.
Speaker 3: Podcast where they have a whole script and like the
Speaker 3: questions written and you gotta like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they doing it's because that's the way. That's the way,
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's a gift for the curse because I
Speaker 1: hate that's it seems like that's all that entertainment as
Speaker 1: far as in as far as our community has gotten
Speaker 1: to it's just talking you see what I'm saying, and like,
Speaker 1: I hate like and I hate it because we're doing
Speaker 1: it right now, just fucking talking. But it's like I
Speaker 1: hate that this is what has come to, like we
Speaker 1: do more of this than we do in the fuckingtaining
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So why you niggas ain't rapping right, No.
Speaker 1: For real rapping and entertained performing like niggas. But but see,
Speaker 1: I'm I started in performing, so it's never I never.
Speaker 1: I never got out of performing. I always understood the
Speaker 1: power of it. And now it's got to the point
Speaker 1: where the audience you can't fool him no more. So
Speaker 1: you gotta god damn entertained or something. So that's why
Speaker 1: people like you don't always win, because.
Speaker 2: You have all that all in one.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So it really works in my favorite loan run.
Speaker 3: You get it. You're a niggah like bruh that shit.
Speaker 3: What's crazy is like if you do the entertaining part,
Speaker 3: you really don't even have to do the talking part,
Speaker 3: like we do this shit. It's just like you said,
Speaker 3: you hardly got around to like, alright, I do that,
Speaker 3: you feel me, but you don't have to.
Speaker 2: My little cousin.
Speaker 1: He like, like I be crying this nigga right, Like
Speaker 1: he's a perfect example of somebody.
Speaker 2: That he's just so talented. He let his talent do
Speaker 2: the talking.
Speaker 1: It's like Johana sweet here, producer, you the fuck with
Speaker 1: him with Kalani.
Speaker 3: I've heard, I've seen it, Yah.
Speaker 1: Caline Taylor Swift. This nigga he Drake, He just on
Speaker 1: Drake three three songs on Drake abbat everything.
Speaker 3: But like like your nephew nephew or my.
Speaker 1: Cousin, this is like this is like my cousin cousin
Speaker 1: like from boring, this is like my blood cousin. Like
Speaker 1: we had like I could, I got pictures in there
Speaker 1: that I sent it to you whatever. But like he
Speaker 1: went to Juliard and everything, like he was raised right
Speaker 1: and he came out right like especial. He came in
Speaker 1: the girl of your hair because he's like twenty nine
Speaker 1: to two. So he's the same exact age as Colin,
Speaker 1: you know all him like so so you can understand
Speaker 1: what he is. So he came up the right way
Speaker 1: without doing all the fuckery, and he's exact success. You
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. So he's he's one of the
Speaker 1: people always use as an example of you don't have
Speaker 1: to play the fuckery game, like and I don't and
Speaker 1: I don't knock playing fucking game because sometimes that's all
Speaker 1: you got.
Speaker 3: And but you know what it is, It's like it's
Speaker 3: how we antiquate success, right, Jahann Sweet is successful, but
Speaker 3: he's not famous, like and that's what we live in
Speaker 3: a time where niggas associate fame with success, right, some
Speaker 3: people would rather be famous than successful, Like some people
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, that shit kind of always.
Speaker 1: Been like they just got magnified. Is because fame ain't
Speaker 1: nothing but attention. Like people want attention and attention it
Speaker 1: feels like love when you ain't used to love. So
Speaker 1: and that's what and that's all it is. People just
Speaker 1: want attention. It's as simple as getting a shout out
Speaker 1: in the club back in the day. That's what social
Speaker 1: media is now as a shout out. He just feels attention.
Speaker 1: It's the love and that's what is magnified now. So
Speaker 1: everybody wants love. They want their more than money. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So it's it's it's the
Speaker 1: catch twenty two of everything. So that's why and that's
Speaker 1: where we are as an entertainment wise. It's like people
Speaker 1: so trying to chase the tension that we've lost value
Speaker 1: in the in the in the entertainment, and there's no
Speaker 1: value in it there because.
Speaker 3: It's you know, you know what's crazy. Cancel culture has
Speaker 3: showed niggas how much it's attention and how much when
Speaker 3: a nigga don't love you, that attention can always be swayed.
Speaker 3: But there's no love in it. And that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: But you have to already be programmed as a comedian. Well,
Speaker 1: for me, you kind of signed that's what you signed
Speaker 1: up for to get black ball. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: If you're a real comedian, if you're really talking about life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like most comedians, you're not really a comedian if
Speaker 1: you haven't got canceled. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I get canceled. What's some up damn there?
Speaker 1: But I don't think nobody got canceled more than me
Speaker 1: because I've been canceled for over fifteen for fifteen years straight,
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying. So it's kind of comes
Speaker 1: with the territory. So it's like, but it comes with
Speaker 1: tough skin. But now I guess the all.
Speaker 3: Of you, like, do you be apologizing?
Speaker 1: Shit, I've never apologized. I've lost millions not apologizing. Ask
Speaker 1: anybody about me. You better I don't. My My representation
Speaker 1: speaks for myself. Ye'll tell you about I don't know ship.
Speaker 1: I still got ship. Now. I can't do nothing because.
Speaker 3: Nig you have.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend doing that with me like what I do,
Speaker 1: because like I still on the way I say, but
Speaker 1: I understand what come with it too, So I'm not
Speaker 1: one of the people that cry and be like, man,
Speaker 1: they don't fuck with me because it's such and such.
Speaker 1: It's like being mad at you're offer, not fucking with you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like I know what
Speaker 1: comes with it. You see what I'm saying. So if
Speaker 1: I if I say, if I say fuck this and
Speaker 1: I'm not apologized about it. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: if I if I'm wrong, I can stand a strengthening too.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. But if I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I'm wrong, I'm not apologizing, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I don't recommend that.
Speaker 3: Nigga. You gotta come to the crib. Please when you
Speaker 3: out here, just come by the crib.
Speaker 2: I told you I will be up there next week's
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, next week.
Speaker 3: Perfect. We gotta lock in after this, we lock You
Speaker 3: know how nigga be playing ship in the head already.
Speaker 3: I'm already trying to get you doing sick.
Speaker 1: I got or I got some vibe ship for the
Speaker 1: backyard that I'm full around entertainer ship. Just give me
Speaker 1: a give me a drum and a keyboard.
Speaker 2: This we vibe O.
Speaker 3: God, that's that's me. Give me some keys.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, what's your what's your end? Go?
Speaker 2: What's your end? Go?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: And it's two at two parts in the game and
Speaker 2: in life.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. In life, I just want to die peaceful.
Speaker 3: And that's not to say not in any type of
Speaker 3: specific way, but just at at peace. But I guess
Speaker 3: that don't even matter. I don't know, I don't be
Speaker 3: I don't be thinking about that ship as much as
Speaker 3: maybe I should or or so.
Speaker 1: I always always stink at the end and go backwards.
Speaker 1: That's how you do it. Like you think about that
Speaker 1: and go on backwards, and that's your life. That's what
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 3: It's funny because I be. I'll be talking about like
Speaker 3: digging a hole, right, and as you dig a hole,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I put a pool in here. And
Speaker 3: once you get a pool, it's like, oh, we can
Speaker 3: add lights around here. But some people just draw up
Speaker 3: the whole blueprint first and then start that. But but
Speaker 3: that's that? Does that give you ring to like, yo,
Speaker 3: your journey to where you are now? Was that a thing?
Speaker 3: And you and you went backwards?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: I knew from day one, Like even as a jit,
Speaker 1: I always understood, even though I didn't understand the fact,
Speaker 1: I kind of understood what I was supposed to be.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I don't like to
Speaker 1: give my example because it sounds was cliche, but then
Speaker 1: it sounds like this niggas just think he's just God's
Speaker 1: give for some ship. But it's just like I really
Speaker 1: just kind of understood. I had really understanding at a
Speaker 1: young age, eating like like nowadays, being a entertainer ain't nothing.
Speaker 1: But when I came up being at saying you it
Speaker 1: was gonna be a entertainer, especially where I'm from, it
Speaker 1: was like seeing being an astronaut. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So niggas niggas bar was Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like you watched it, but you didn't
Speaker 1: think you could do it. You see what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it's just like you didn't understand it. But something
Speaker 1: in my mind or maybe it's my I always give
Speaker 1: the credit to my community because they kind of molded
Speaker 1: me and sheltered me to to make me who I am.
Speaker 2: Who I am.
Speaker 1: Now, that's why I always go back to my community
Speaker 1: and and try to give back and do whatever I can.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So my whole name is
Speaker 1: my community. My Duval is Duval County, that's the whole city.
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy. You've always been a multifaceted figment
Speaker 3: in my life, like and it's it's really dope because
Speaker 3: it's very reflective of myself. I've never been able to
Speaker 3: pinpoint specifically what you do because it's always something different
Speaker 3: depending on what time we end. And that's really dope.
Speaker 3: Just that's just a nod. That was just a thought
Speaker 3: that crossed my mind. I started thinking, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 3: this nigga do do comedy. He got the.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like what I said, what I say,
Speaker 2: I see in you. It's like we are.
Speaker 1: We are in one if each other, so we understand
Speaker 1: each other with because we connect.
Speaker 2: We connect just through just through our DNA, you know.
Speaker 1: That through our hair.
Speaker 2: It is through who we are as a people, and
Speaker 2: that's what the connection is.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Even if you and it's genuine,
Speaker 1: you caar what I'm saying. So even if you don't,
Speaker 1: even if you don't never seen a stand up with me,
Speaker 1: you see me as as an up.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, especially through social media, because what.
Speaker 1: Most people don't realize, I've been on social media more
Speaker 1: than anybody. And what we don't understand is nothing been
Speaker 1: more powerful than social media the last fifteen twenty years.
Speaker 1: And every morning you wake up, ain't gonna see little Dufo.
Speaker 1: So every morning, if you're waking up, I'm like your
Speaker 1: family member. So you was raised with me. It's like
Speaker 1: being raised on Nickelodeon.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like people that was raised on Nick Cannon. Like now,
Speaker 1: people forty years old, they still love Nick Cannon because
Speaker 1: they was raised on the Knicks. And that's where the
Speaker 1: can is. With social media and everything with me, it's
Speaker 1: like you was raised with me through Twitter, through my Space,
Speaker 1: through Instagram, through YouTube, through comic Youth, through the TV show,
Speaker 1: through the movies, everything, because I understand, and that's all entertainment,
Speaker 1: and that's all everybody do. That's all shit you do.
Speaker 1: You ain't just a rapper, you everything. You're a businessman.
Speaker 1: You act, you can act at any moment. That's all
Speaker 1: this whole generation is. That's how entertainment was at one
Speaker 1: time in general. It just in the eighties it broke
Speaker 1: off into different ships, but we was always doing everything
Speaker 1: like That's that's why I call myself Sammy Davis Duval
Speaker 1: because that's all he did. Everything that nigga saying, dance.
Speaker 3: How much in your life? Now it's ship that you
Speaker 3: don't do. You still have to do ship that you
Speaker 3: don't desire to do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you enough. That's a blessing that I've
Speaker 1: always had. I've always had to let you to do
Speaker 1: what the fuck I want to do. That's what it's
Speaker 1: harder for me to try to do. Other ship. I
Speaker 1: swear to God, I be trying to do like because
Speaker 1: like I be, like, damn, maybe if I try to,
Speaker 1: but I'm so programmed to do what the fuck I
Speaker 1: want to do. I don't know how to do nothing else.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to I don't know how to
Speaker 1: feel to myself. That's why always get the lead on
Speaker 1: social media because I'm so used to do what the
Speaker 1: fuck I want to do. I can't even do right up,
Speaker 1: I try, I'm.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's a beautiful to me. It made me think.
Speaker 3: It made me think of Boozy Boozie gonna always get
Speaker 3: the leader and rebuild some ship because Boozie not doing
Speaker 3: nothing but being boozy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, even with me, I'm just who I am
Speaker 1: because but I've never it's never intentionally like trying to
Speaker 1: fuck people over, trying to intentionally hurt people are fucking
Speaker 1: minds off. It's just me being just like and honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm a reflection of who our whole community is when
Speaker 1: it comes to social media, because they not only when
Speaker 1: they flag me or some ship, they really flagg and
Speaker 1: our die thek on how we talk because that's usually
Speaker 1: what it is, and and I talk just a reflection
Speaker 1: of who our community is.
Speaker 3: So you know, so the funny that's true, Like they
Speaker 3: they're taking intentional things that we just say to each
Speaker 3: other because nigga, when you come up from here like
Speaker 3: that's that's how that's ship.
Speaker 1: It's like that comments not if somebody tell me to
Speaker 1: shut up, they get flagged for telling me to shut up.
Speaker 1: Well we just you know, we just might man, man,
Speaker 1: shut up man. But they take it like that because
Speaker 1: but that's what they always do. They use us to
Speaker 1: come up on the They've been doing this even before sociid.
Speaker 1: They use our platform as our culture to build a brand.
Speaker 1: And once they build the brand, they move on and
Speaker 1: then ship on our ship. They've been doing that shit.
Speaker 1: They did that with Fox Network.
Speaker 3: Have you met anyone in your journey that surprised you
Speaker 3: in terms of who they were, Like they were either
Speaker 3: way better than you thought or like Nigga, that nigga
Speaker 3: ain't nothing like y'all think he is.
Speaker 1: It's plenty of that, man.
Speaker 2: Niggas ain't nothing that they think is.
Speaker 1: But as far as I can tell you, the most
Speaker 1: genuine person in hip hop, dude, that's Snoop. Snoop the
Speaker 1: most genuine person in hip hop. I think Snoop. I
Speaker 1: mean as far as the biggest names, but as far
Speaker 1: as like uh like DJ Pooh, you a genuine good guy.
Speaker 1: Uh these the ogs timp of genuine t I he's
Speaker 1: a genuine good guy, but he's like one of them stubboring,
Speaker 1: like if he love you, he love you want them
Speaker 1: stubbing good guys.
Speaker 2: But if he's what you gonna rab at that which
Speaker 2: genuine good guy? Uh shit? Who else?
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: My man is just passed clay.
Speaker 2: Ship.
Speaker 1: Now it's plenty of it's plenty good people in there,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's plenty good people. And then too, I
Speaker 1: can't say too many people fuck you because I don't
Speaker 1: look for ship out of people a lot. So you
Speaker 1: can't fuck though, because I'm not expecting ship from most people.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't have the expectations on people, so I rarely,
Speaker 1: I rarely see the fuck shitting in people like that there,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, now, there's plenty of
Speaker 1: people like I see Charlamagne. Charlamagne, he's a different type
Speaker 1: of motherfucker, like he'll help anybody. Then I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: a niggas he's gonna fuck yo. You're gonna realize dan
Speaker 1: agn ship. And then nine times out of ten every
Speaker 1: person I told him what ship and what're gonna fuck
Speaker 1: him over?
Speaker 2: They end up doing it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, shit, who else, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of It's a lot of genuine people, man, a
Speaker 1: lot of black genuine women out here. Man. That's that's
Speaker 1: where you're gonna see most of the black women. They
Speaker 1: do a lot of They the ones ship on the
Speaker 1: load that show a lot of love.
Speaker 3: Fact they make shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, man, But yeah, member ship anything else.
Speaker 1: That's the last thing.
Speaker 2: Then we out this motherfucking right because we're ben't.
Speaker 3: Talking though, right.
Speaker 1: Right, I don't do those This another thing I don't
Speaker 1: like just random just just just rare them, just talking.
Speaker 2: I like to make it make sense, like talking.
Speaker 1: Now two hours I hate, I swear to god, I've
Speaker 1: never watched the two hours.
Speaker 2: I've never watched the two hour. I've never watched a podcast.
Speaker 3: Right, that's the craziest part, you know. But the thing
Speaker 3: is like I get it only because one episode. Like
Speaker 3: I'm a nigga, who right, every time I do an interview,
Speaker 3: I go in and I take all the pieces I
Speaker 3: need out of that interview, and it's like if you
Speaker 3: had one good episode. Nigga, you got about forty fifty
Speaker 3: clips for the rest of your year. You ain't gotta
Speaker 3: do ship outs on social media but running fucking clips
Speaker 3: and run your ad and you know, like you eat,
Speaker 3: but sometimes it'd be two hours.
Speaker 1: Got played out now because niggas done. Read that ship
Speaker 1: in the ground.
Speaker 3: Right, you know? Yes? But no, bro, It's funny because
Speaker 3: earlier you were saying how you was like, you'll see
Speaker 3: niggas doing shit and you like, I ain't doing that
Speaker 3: shit because niggas doing it. But really, with your mind,
Speaker 3: if you see niggas doing ship that's just an opportunity
Speaker 3: you to be like, I do that shit way better
Speaker 3: than them niggas because you have you have the actual
Speaker 3: thing like me, and you have that thing that everybody
Speaker 3: push Like nigga, we can do what.
Speaker 1: Me and them they say the same thing. But I'm
Speaker 1: I'm stubborn, but I listened. I listened to certain people.
Speaker 3: So listen to.
Speaker 1: Me only doing it because of them?
Speaker 3: No, but listen, nigga, Look just this talk me and
Speaker 3: you had on riverside with our blurry screens, and you
Speaker 3: feel me like nigga, imagine if you somewhere in this
Speaker 3: same kind like when it happens when you come to
Speaker 3: the to the yard or we meet and we get
Speaker 3: the cambrage and shit like, bro, it only amplifies it
Speaker 3: in the ship that you already do because it's like
Speaker 3: you already doing it, Nigga. Just just watch.
Speaker 2: You're right, man, you're right. That's God, Man, that's God
Speaker 2: telling you to tell me, Man, stop.
Speaker 3: Boring, right for real? Because this ship, Bro, we just
Speaker 3: had a great time and it was short and it's
Speaker 3: better than that scripted old nigga. This ship was organic
Speaker 3: as fucked, So it's like if you know you could
Speaker 3: do it on that level because everybody doing it, Nigga,
Speaker 3: this shit a wig that was a that was It's
Speaker 3: a w Nigga. This was great. This is one of
Speaker 3: my favorite interviews. And we did this ship on zoom
Speaker 3: with with a blurry screen. Nigga. Nigga broke like a motherfucker, Nigga,
Speaker 3: like a month when you when it only but it's
Speaker 3: like it don't even have to be But I get it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna always.
Speaker 2: Up with stupid.
Speaker 1: That's my mind.
Speaker 2: Kiss keep yourself for stupid.
Speaker 3: I still record in the crib, but I'm getting to it.
Speaker 3: It's that point where like, Okay, we gotta maintain what
Speaker 3: we want, so we do whatever the fuck we won't
Speaker 3: because I have to do whatever the fuck I want.
Speaker 3: But it's like, it's like when you gotta go to
Speaker 3: the airport, you can have a Honda accuratey Yo six
Speaker 3: pick you up, or you can get a black escalade,
Speaker 3: and neither of those is really gonna cost you difference
Speaker 3: when you're doing the ship, you're supposed to do the word.
Speaker 3: You feel me? So, nick I just already see it
Speaker 3: because this was a good ass fucking brother. Them niggas
Speaker 3: don't be having that thing, and so we're flooded with
Speaker 3: a bunch of amateurs who don't have that thing, who
Speaker 3: are trying to have that thing.
Speaker 1: But see, that's what honestly, I want when it comes up,
Speaker 1: when it comes to art. When it comes to art,
Speaker 1: it's like I need people around me that's gonna make me,
Speaker 1: make me wanting to give a fuck.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not impressed with.
Speaker 3: Nothing, nigga. That's what I like.
Speaker 1: It's no more because it's like, yes, like the last
Speaker 1: twenty years and this ain't the shit on nobody movie
Speaker 1: I can name baby two movies I'd be like, damn,
Speaker 1: I wish I would have did that. Other than that,
Speaker 1: ain't no movies made me give a fuck by being
Speaker 1: it ain't nothing.
Speaker 3: Like no one's crazy though, because we have representations like
Speaker 3: Charlemagne is a really great representation of a nigga who's
Speaker 3: been a nigga but at it except like profess like
Speaker 3: no matter what level he has to do, and he
Speaker 3: remains in Charlemagne, and that'd be our biggest thing. We
Speaker 3: were like, nigga, want that shit get there, come it becomes.
Speaker 3: But like she's saying, if niggas like me and you
Speaker 3: decided to do it, nigga is a home run because
Speaker 3: we don't have to do nothing but be us. Everybody
Speaker 3: else gotta get the lives and they dance and they
Speaker 3: gotta do all the extra shit. But we don't have
Speaker 3: to do nothing but be us.
Speaker 1: But you know what's so hard about it? You know,
Speaker 1: you know it's so hard about it when it's really you,
Speaker 1: you take it for granted. I'd be taking it for
Speaker 1: granted sometimes because it comes so second nature.
Speaker 3: Right, and you know I'll be battling with that because
Speaker 3: I'll be like some days I be upset that everybody thinks,
Speaker 3: knows and feels like I'm the nigga that I.
Speaker 5: Am nigga that ship some rich like wrong with these niggas.
Speaker 3: Fuck wrong with these niggas.
Speaker 1: So now I gotta come out there and fuck with
Speaker 1: y'all for real, man, I gotta come out there with
Speaker 1: y'all for real, for real.
Speaker 3: Please don't please do I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: hold you no more, no, no longer. But nigga, just
Speaker 3: this was great. I feel like we both got information
Speaker 3: we needed to hear from each other. I'm so bad.
Speaker 3: Come on, still sharp and still.
Speaker 2: That's the same ship, nigga.
Speaker 3: Sa, Hey, this was dope as fun. Man, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: No, but I appreciate you too. Man. But like I say, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you checking in man, Vick, y'all tu and
Speaker 1: that next time the Black Effect Man, and I'm out
Speaker 1: this bitch. Thanks for listen to another episode of Conversation
Speaker 1: with Me, Little Duval.
Speaker 2: We got this bitch.
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