WEBVTT - How To Build Your Own Artificial Pancreas

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<v Speaker 1>Hm hm hm. What do you do when a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of your body's hardware goes haywire? If you have Type

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<v Speaker 1>one diabetes, that damaged hardware is your pancreas. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>way to fix a broken pancreas, but you can build

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<v Speaker 1>a new one. Welcome to Prognosis. I'm your host, Michelle

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<v Speaker 1>fake Cortes. For the next eight weeks, we will be

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<v Speaker 1>exploring science and technology and medical research. We'll look at

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<v Speaker 1>how the treatments of tomorrow get into the hands of

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<v Speaker 1>patients who need them the most. Along the way, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>meet people living on the edge of innovation. There's the

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<v Speaker 1>scientist genetically engineering frogs in his garage, drug company researchers

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<v Speaker 1>using newly unlocked secrets of the body to cure deadly diseases.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll hear about one man's quest in the desert

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<v Speaker 1>to turn as achedelic drug into a treatment for depression.

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<v Speaker 1>We begin our journey with the do it yourself device

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<v Speaker 1>that replaces one of the body's most critical organs. One

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<v Speaker 1>point three million Americans have Type one diabetes. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>most severe kind. It develops one cells in the pancreas

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<v Speaker 1>that make insulin stop working. Why it happens is still

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<v Speaker 1>a mystery. Insulin is the hormone that converts food into energy.

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<v Speaker 1>A healthy pancreas is a marvel pumping out precise amounts

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<v Speaker 1>of insulin at just the right time. There are dozens

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<v Speaker 1>of things that affect how much is made. Eating, drinking, exercising, sleeping,

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<v Speaker 1>you name it. It's a problem. If you don't make

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<v Speaker 1>any sugar builds up in the blood. It comes up

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<v Speaker 1>your organs like the kidneys in the heart and can

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<v Speaker 1>cause an early death. Diabetics can inject replacement insulin, but

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<v Speaker 1>they have to figure out how much to give and when.

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<v Speaker 1>Answering those two seemingly simple questions is what makes life

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<v Speaker 1>with diabetes miserable. You have to take on the duties

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<v Speaker 1>of a healthy pancreas all day, all night, three and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five days of the year. There are tools to

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<v Speaker 1>help glucost monitors track blood sugar levels so people can

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<v Speaker 1>calculate how much insulin they need, and there are pumps

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<v Speaker 1>to deliver the insulin, but you have to tell it

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. Americans spend more than eight billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year on these devices, but no one's been able

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<v Speaker 1>to get them connected and working together. To deliver the

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<v Speaker 1>right amount of insulin the way a real pancreas does.

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<v Speaker 1>Until now. This is a story about strangers coming together

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<v Speaker 1>from all over the world driven by a desperate need.

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<v Speaker 1>They banned it together on social media to take matters

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<v Speaker 1>into their own hands. Now, just to be clear, these

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<v Speaker 1>folks didn't build a mechanical version of the pancreas. What

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<v Speaker 1>they're actually doing is linking their insulin pumps to their

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<v Speaker 1>glucost monitors and getting them to work together without any

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<v Speaker 1>um involvement. None of this is FDA approved. Still, thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of people have tried it out on themselves and on

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<v Speaker 1>their diabetic kids, and they love it. More are signing

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<v Speaker 1>up every day. Here's Bloomberg's Naomi Kraski with the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Building your own pancreas can be pretty intimidating. There's software

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<v Speaker 1>code to install and Bluetooth and radio signals to sink

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<v Speaker 1>among the four electronic devices that you'll need to link together,

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<v Speaker 1>but there will be lots of people to help. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>you're likely to come across early on is a mom

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<v Speaker 1>from outside Toronto named Kate Farnsworth. Some people call her

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Kate because she spent so much time helping people

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<v Speaker 1>build their own diabetes technology. Kate lives in a quiet

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<v Speaker 1>suburb about an hour northwest of Toronto. She realized that

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<v Speaker 1>something was up with her daughter, Sydney more than six

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. Sydney had started drinking a lot of water

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<v Speaker 1>and eating a lot more than usual. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>say she was eating like a teenage boy, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was an eight year old girl. We used to have

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<v Speaker 1>to pack an extra snack after school and leaders of

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<v Speaker 1>extra water, and she'd cry when she ran out of water.

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<v Speaker 1>But even with all that extra eating, Sydney was losing weight.

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<v Speaker 1>Kate googled her symptoms and diabetes popped up. So I

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<v Speaker 1>took her to the family doctor and the family doctor said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an easy test. We can just poke her finger

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<v Speaker 1>and see what's going on. Don't worry about it. And

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<v Speaker 1>the nurse poked her finger and she turned to the

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<v Speaker 1>other nurse and she said, it's not working. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't say a number, it just says high. And

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<v Speaker 1>the nurse said that's because her blood sugar is too

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<v Speaker 1>high for the meter to read. And that was our

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<v Speaker 1>introduction to die beats. Sydney is now fifteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>She still remembers how tough things were when she first

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<v Speaker 1>got the diagnosis. I was terrified because that's like I

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<v Speaker 1>was eight. I didn't want anything like this happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was just it was life changing. Yeah, people with

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<v Speaker 1>type one diabetes need to take replacement insulin, but messing

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<v Speaker 1>at the dosage can have catastrophic results, including going into

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<v Speaker 1>a coma or even dying. And figuring out how much

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<v Speaker 1>to take is really complicated. There are a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>things that affect blood sugar. So sleep can affect blood sugar, anxiety, adrenaline, food, stress, um, exercise,

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<v Speaker 1>but just basically everything affects blood sugar. Roller coasters make

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<v Speaker 1>her blood sugar drop, walking to school makes her blood

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<v Speaker 1>sugar drop. I've heard people say that boys walking by

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<v Speaker 1>and make their daughter's blood sugar go up as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not noticed that myself, but I'm not paying

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<v Speaker 1>that close attention. So Kate and her husband Dave were

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<v Speaker 1>getting up several times a night to check Sydney's blood sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that I heard a lot from parents

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<v Speaker 1>of kids with diabetes. When your kids are asleep, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard for them to know when blood sugar levels are

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<v Speaker 1>dropping too low. There are these little devices called continuous

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<v Speaker 1>glucose monitors or cgms for short, that sound and alarm

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<v Speaker 1>when their readings are dipping too low. But they can

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<v Speaker 1>be really hard to hear, and until recently, you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>tune into them from even a few rooms away. They're

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<v Speaker 1>also expensive. At first, Sydney didn't even have one, so

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<v Speaker 1>Dave would check Sydney's blood sugar at midnight before he

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<v Speaker 1>went to bed. Kate would set her alarm for three am,

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<v Speaker 1>when she set another alarm for six am. They were

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<v Speaker 1>so tie all the time. Kate thought there had to

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<v Speaker 1>be a better way. One day, I was googling UM,

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<v Speaker 1>researching whatever you want to call it, all things diabetes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I came across a blog and it had a

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<v Speaker 1>little girl who had a backpack with a cell phone

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<v Speaker 1>connected to this receiver Sydney wears, and it was broadcasting

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<v Speaker 1>their blood sugars to their parents. And I thought, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I need. I need to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>see her blood sugar when she's not with me. Kay

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<v Speaker 1>found a group of parents who had managed to pull

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<v Speaker 1>data from cigns onto their smartphones and watches. This group

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<v Speaker 1>is called Knight Scout and it came up with the

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<v Speaker 1>first big d I Y advance. It helped parents track

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<v Speaker 1>how their kids were doing at school, at night, or

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<v Speaker 1>any other times when they weren't together. Up until that time,

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<v Speaker 1>you had to be within fifteen feet of the continuous

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<v Speaker 1>glucose monitor receiver that you received from uh dex Comm

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<v Speaker 1>or Metronic. This allowed you to be anywhere in the

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<v Speaker 1>world and still see your blood glucose values. That's Weston Nordgren,

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<v Speaker 1>a dad from Bakersfield, California. He helped start Night Scout

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<v Speaker 1>in a The group operates on the principle of pay

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<v Speaker 1>it forward. Every single family that set up that d

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<v Speaker 1>I Y system was supposed to help someone else figure

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<v Speaker 1>it out too, So they started with five families, and

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<v Speaker 1>what happened after that defied everyone's expectations. Within six weeks

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<v Speaker 1>of creating that group, there were one thousand, seven hundred families.

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<v Speaker 1>By September, there were seven thousand families. By December there

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<v Speaker 1>were ten thousand families. So it just exploded. So now

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<v Speaker 1>parents could watch their kids blood gluecoats. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal, but some people were already thinking of taking

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<v Speaker 1>it further. The next advance would have been impossible if

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<v Speaker 1>not for a blunder by Metronic, the world's biggest medical

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<v Speaker 1>device maker, left a security gap and some of its

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<v Speaker 1>insulin pumps the wireless radio frequency link was open to hackers.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben West, a programmer and diabetes patient in California, found

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<v Speaker 1>the open back door and walked right through. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>don't describe it as a backdoor. Um, it's more like

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<v Speaker 1>the front door wasn't put on, it wasn't locked, or

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't clear. No, like, there's just no door. There's

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<v Speaker 1>just there's just no door. What door. That explained to

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<v Speaker 1>me that there are two ways to protect against a hack.

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<v Speaker 1>You can make a strong defense or you can just

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<v Speaker 1>hide it. Try to keep the soft and vulnerable spot

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<v Speaker 1>a secret so it's safe. And that's the choice the

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<v Speaker 1>Metronic made. They designed this device. We're just gonna leave

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<v Speaker 1>it so that it's easy for us to test and

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<v Speaker 1>get out the door and ship very quickly. We'll keep

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<v Speaker 1>how it works a secret, and so we're claiming that

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<v Speaker 1>no one will know how it works, and since no

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<v Speaker 1>one knows how it works, no one will ever attack it.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's basically the tactic they took. Now it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out that you know, I came along, and I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's on my body, and I actually need to know

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<v Speaker 1>how it works in order to make sure that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not doing the wrong thing to my body. Then started

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<v Speaker 1>the project in winter of two thousand nine. He was

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<v Speaker 1>already working at that point as a software engineer, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he got a job at a cloud computing startup.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't have a whole lot of free time, so

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<v Speaker 1>he would take his metronic pump home with him to

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<v Speaker 1>his family over Christmas and New Year's and we would

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<v Speaker 1>spend the you know, almost the entire holiday just working

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<v Speaker 1>on this thing. You know, we would take poster paper

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<v Speaker 1>and start trying to figure out individual bits and bites

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<v Speaker 1>and the meaning of individual codes, and we would try

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<v Speaker 1>to dissect you know, what are these time stamps and

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<v Speaker 1>how are they encoding times and dates? And we would

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<v Speaker 1>kind of um pick these different topical areas and really

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<v Speaker 1>intensely attack it over the holiday period, and those were

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<v Speaker 1>usually very very productive sessions. What what we would do

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of form necklaces um out of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>so that you know, the glucoast meter plugs into a

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<v Speaker 1>USB cable and the USB cable goes into a computer

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<v Speaker 1>like a gumsticks or a raspberry pie, and then that

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<v Speaker 1>goes back into another USB cable that goes into another thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So pretty soon you've got this thing that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>twists itself around and loops around, and we would kind

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<v Speaker 1>of wear those around so that so that we could

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<v Speaker 1>continue working while moving around the house, I suppose. So

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<v Speaker 1>after about five years of work, Ben managed to reverse

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<v Speaker 1>engineer the pumps communications code. That means he figured out

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<v Speaker 1>how to tell the device what to do. Now the

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<v Speaker 1>d I wires had two pieces of the puzzle. They

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<v Speaker 1>would need to make an artificial pancreas they had night Scout,

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<v Speaker 1>which was pulling the blood glucos data off glucose monitors

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<v Speaker 1>for Sydney and Kate. That meant either of them could

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<v Speaker 1>watch Sydney's blood sugar from a smart watch while Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>was in school or if she was asleep. Now Ben

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<v Speaker 1>had hacked the pump, the final piece of the puzzle

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<v Speaker 1>would be an algorithm. That's a script that shows a

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<v Speaker 1>computer how to do a repetitive but complicated task like

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<v Speaker 1>calculating insulin doses. Entered Dana Lewis. She lives in Seattle

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<v Speaker 1>and she has diabetes. So if I sat down to

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<v Speaker 1>have lunch, I would be looking at a plate of

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<v Speaker 1>food and I would have to do math to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how many grams of carbohydrate around the food. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>also have to look at what my current blood glucose is,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I had a c GM, I'd be looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the past couple of hours trying to visually predict

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<v Speaker 1>in my head what is the freend of my blood

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<v Speaker 1>suger what's going to happen. I also had to look

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<v Speaker 1>at my pump and get the information about how much

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<v Speaker 1>insulin I already had active in my body, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I had to combine the current glucose kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>has happened in the past, this insulin amount, predict what

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to happen, add in the calculation of

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<v Speaker 1>how much food and how that was going to impact

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<v Speaker 1>my body, and decide how much insulin do I need?

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<v Speaker 1>And not only how much insulin do I need, but

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<v Speaker 1>how should I time it. Dana and her partner, Scott Librand,

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<v Speaker 1>decided that it would be a lot simpler to let

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<v Speaker 1>the computer do some of that calculating, so they wrote

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<v Speaker 1>an algorithm. At first, it would only spit out recommendations.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they took their project to a conference and they

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<v Speaker 1>met Ben. It was June, and we stood beside him

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<v Speaker 1>kind of demonstrating what we've been working on, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was demonstrating the fact that he could read and write

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<v Speaker 1>to this metronic pump. And it actually wasn't until a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks or months later that another light bulb went

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<v Speaker 1>off and we went, hey, we've got this algorithm that

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<v Speaker 1>takes data and predictionto the future. What should happen if

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<v Speaker 1>we combined it with his code to talk between the devices.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of telling the human what to do, we could

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<v Speaker 1>actually write directly to the insulin pump and tell it

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<v Speaker 1>to give more or less insulin. So then they had

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to close the loop. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>start out knowing exactly what they would build, but they

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<v Speaker 1>just started working on the problem step by step, trading

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<v Speaker 1>the ideas back and forth. So I live in Seattle, Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>who was then my boyfriend, lived twenty miles away, and Everett, Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ben was based out of San Francisco, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we would collaborate in a variety of ways. We would

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<v Speaker 1>use a chat channel called getter, which is connected to

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<v Speaker 1>get hub, where we would get on and start talking.

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<v Speaker 1>We used Twitter. Um. We also just used phone calls

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<v Speaker 1>where we would get on speaker phone and be programming

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<v Speaker 1>and using the chat channel and also talking by phone.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also times where Scott would need to go

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<v Speaker 1>down to San Francisco for work, so he and Ben

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<v Speaker 1>would beat up. Sometimes I would be in San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 1>we beat up in person, you know, on nights and weekends, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and really just kind of plucking away at Oh, we

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<v Speaker 1>found a problem, let's resolve it. Okay, we found the

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<v Speaker 1>next problem in the next obstacle, let's figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to tackle it. In December, the group finally felt like

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<v Speaker 1>they had surmounted all of the obstacles. They enough finally

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<v Speaker 1>felt confident enough to become the first human tester for

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<v Speaker 1>her new artificial pancreas. Originally my plan was just to

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<v Speaker 1>test it for a couple of hours, but I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I really I want to go to sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to go to sleep with this thing working.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we set up all of our backup alarms

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<v Speaker 1>and I went off and went to sleep with the system.

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<v Speaker 1>And I woke up the next morning and I felt

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<v Speaker 1>better than I ever had before because I woke up

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<v Speaker 1>with my blood suger in perfect range where I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be. I hadn't been low overnight, my blood sager

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't been high overnight. I wasn't interrupted in my sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have to drink a juice box. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to press a button on my pump. I got

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<v Speaker 1>ten uninterrupted hours of sleep, and it was glorious. The

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<v Speaker 1>d i Y community was all about open source, or

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<v Speaker 1>sharing code, so Scott, Dana, and Ben wanted to share

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<v Speaker 1>what they learned so that others could also feel and

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<v Speaker 1>sleep better. But it wasn't just up to them. There's

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<v Speaker 1>also the f d A, or the Food and Drug Administration,

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<v Speaker 1>which regulates devices in the US. They were worried that

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<v Speaker 1>the FDA would come down on them for sharing something

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<v Speaker 1>they'd cooked up at home. In the end, after talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the f d A, weighing the pros and cons,

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<v Speaker 1>they decided to post their work online, with one important

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<v Speaker 1>caveat the people who wanted to use it would have

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<v Speaker 1>to build it themselves. First, only a few tried it out,

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<v Speaker 1>then more and more. Kay was watching too. She was

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<v Speaker 1>intrigued but also intimidated. It seemed very complicated to build.

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<v Speaker 1>But then another member of the community designed a more

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<v Speaker 1>user friendly version for the iPhone called Loop. In sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Kate saw it in action. A friend's little boy was

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<v Speaker 1>running around having his blood sugar automatically adjusted by the system.

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<v Speaker 1>She started looking for the parts she needed. That same day,

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<v Speaker 1>Medtronic had closed Ben's open door on its newer pumps,

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<v Speaker 1>so Kate had to get ahold of an older model.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone gave her one. Then she ordered a tiny Bluetooth

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<v Speaker 1>equipped computer, which enabled the pieces of the Loop system,

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<v Speaker 1>so the insulin pump, the glucose monitor, the iPhone app

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<v Speaker 1>with the algorithm to talk to each other another d

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<v Speaker 1>I wire. A dad from Minnesota named Peach Fomb had

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<v Speaker 1>designed the device for his daughter and named it after her,

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<v Speaker 1>calling it the Riley Link. Kate got to work. There

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<v Speaker 1>weren't a lot of instructions to follow, but just enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I built the app on her phone, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>set up um the spare pump and the Riley Link,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh the iPhone and let it run, but not

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<v Speaker 1>connected to Sydney. I just filled the insulin pump with

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<v Speaker 1>water and let it drip out as if it were

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<v Speaker 1>giving Sydney insulin. She watched on and off for hours

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<v Speaker 1>as the pump pushed out tiny squirts of water into

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<v Speaker 1>a napkin. Or of course, it wasn't affecting her blood

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<v Speaker 1>sugar at that time because it wasn't hooked up to her,

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<v Speaker 1>but I could see the logic between behind what it

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to do. Kate hooked Sydney up to the

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<v Speaker 1>system on a Friday afternoon so she could keep a

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<v Speaker 1>close eye on how it was working. It started keeping

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney's blood sugar in range without Kate having to do

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<v Speaker 1>much of anything. All of a sudden, you know, life changed.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're not spending all of your time worrying about diabetes,

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<v Speaker 1>you have all this extra time in your life. Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>stopped worrying too. I'm a teenager. I have my phone

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<v Speaker 1>with me Tony for seven All I have to do

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<v Speaker 1>is open an app, putting my carbs, get my insulin,

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<v Speaker 1>and keep going. It's just so much easier than having

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<v Speaker 1>to go a whole another level of just pulling out

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<v Speaker 1>my pump, doing all that cliping it back on, going

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<v Speaker 1>back to what I was doing. Does anybody even really

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<v Speaker 1>have to know if you're adjusting your carbs now? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>would anybody even realize what you're doing. No. Sometimes I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting at lunch and I'm just giving insulin on my

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<v Speaker 1>phone and my friends just think I'm on my phone

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<v Speaker 1>looking at something just like totally normal. Yeah, just to

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, this is a d I Y hack. No

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<v Speaker 1>pump on the commercial market. Let's you dose insulin from

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<v Speaker 1>your iPhone. Yet. Metronic, the world's biggest maker of insulin pumps,

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<v Speaker 1>is watching closely. They're working on an artificial pancrease too.

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<v Speaker 1>They have one device on the market now. The it's

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<v Speaker 1>not as advanced. It doesn't adjust insulin for meal times

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<v Speaker 1>like Dana system does, and it doesn't allow dos thing

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<v Speaker 1>from an iPhone like Sydney's does. What it does do

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<v Speaker 1>is make the tiny little adjustments that happen in between meals.

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<v Speaker 1>That's already enough to be a big advance. The device,

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<v Speaker 1>which sells for seven thousand dollars, is going like hotcakes.

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<v Speaker 1>So far, more than one thousand people have one. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's another big difference between d I Y Systems and

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<v Speaker 1>the equipment Metronics cells. Before its products go on the market,

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<v Speaker 1>Metronic needs to prove to the f d A that

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<v Speaker 1>they will be safe for every one of the thousands

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<v Speaker 1>or sometimes millions of people who buy them. I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to Ali d and Natty, who handles R and D

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<v Speaker 1>in Metronics Intensive Insulin Management Unit. We're regulated for a reason,

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that we control as many of those

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<v Speaker 1>variables as we can and think about all the potential

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<v Speaker 1>corner cases so that you know, any something catastrophic doesn't happen,

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<v Speaker 1>because ultimately these patients and families are dosing insulin, and

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<v Speaker 1>insulin can be a very, very dangerous thing. It's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to track whether anyone was hurt while using a d

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<v Speaker 1>I Y system. Everyone I met while reporting the story

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<v Speaker 1>said they had never heard of anybody being seriously injured.

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<v Speaker 1>But diabetes is a dangerous disease and the risk does exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the d I wires are working towards the

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<v Speaker 1>same f d A seal of approval that Metronic has.

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<v Speaker 1>Last month, an open source group called tide Pool announced

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<v Speaker 1>that it is building an FDA regulated version of LOOP,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the system that Sydney is using. The goal

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<v Speaker 1>is to have an official product that's available on the

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<v Speaker 1>iPhone app store and compatible with pumps that you can

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<v Speaker 1>buy today. If they succeed. What was once a radical

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<v Speaker 1>approach to diabetes will come perhaps mainstream for now, though, Kate, Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>and the other d I wires are making do with

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<v Speaker 1>their homemade systems and their ranks are growing. Kate took

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<v Speaker 1>all that time that she gained from not having to

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<v Speaker 1>micromanaged Sydney's diabetes and invested it in the d I

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<v Speaker 1>y community. She runs a Facebook group called looped that

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<v Speaker 1>has almost six thousand members, and she spends hours every

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<v Speaker 1>day helping other people set up systems like Sydneys. Kate

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<v Speaker 1>enjoys helping others, but she's looking forward to the day

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<v Speaker 1>when she won't have to because an FDA approved medical

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<v Speaker 1>device will be on the market. I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>be put out of a job one day by a

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<v Speaker 1>company I I don't want to do this long term.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love everyone to get a system that works

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<v Speaker 1>for them and right out of the box, so that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have to keep doing this. Kate took a

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<v Speaker 1>big risk when she plunged into building an artificial pancreas

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<v Speaker 1>for her daughter. She didn't have medical or high tech experience.

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<v Speaker 1>There was always the possibility that something could go terribly wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>but the results are really hard to argue with. Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>is in good health, and she's living her life more

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<v Speaker 1>or less like any other well adjusted teenager. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>been worth everything. I mean, just the fact that I

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<v Speaker 1>can live my life normally instead of having a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>different things to focus on, and it lowers the stress

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Would you ever go back to the way

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<v Speaker 1>it was before? Oh? No, way, never. And that's it

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