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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to seventeen, episode three,

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Speaker 1: after Daily Night guice to production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. It's Wednesday, December. Nope, yeah, it's Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: December twenty two. I'm not even I don't know what

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Speaker 1: national international day we are recognizing. It's a real mess today, Folks.

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Speaker 1: Is also the last recording of a full episode of

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Speaker 1: We did it with a really good headspace. Yeah, aspiring

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Speaker 1: on all cylinders, you want to go out on top?

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Speaker 1: Jody guest co host who I haven't introduced yet. Well,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jack O'Brien a K. Welcome to those

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Speaker 1: I please drink rose out of my skull till I

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Speaker 1: feel all right. That is courtesy Alex Louvie reference to

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Speaker 1: stone Fruit, the song we went out on yesterday, in

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Speaker 1: which the best verse is about somebody being annibalized by

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Speaker 1: a woman and having their bones turned into a bed

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Speaker 1: and rose sipped down to their school. I thought that

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Speaker 1: was pretty cool. Well, I'm thrilled to be joined today

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Speaker 1: by a two headed guest co host. You know monster.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start out with uh special guest co host

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Speaker 1: who hosts the podcast This Day, an Esoteric political History

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Speaker 1: for Radio Topia executive producer Adam McKay's podcast Death at

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Speaker 1: the Wing about tragedy and basketball in the eighties. You

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Speaker 1: may have heard him hosting thirty for thirty for ESPN

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Speaker 1: thirty politics podcast in the past, but right now he

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Speaker 1: is here. It is Jody Aberna. Thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for having me. You want to do it

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Speaker 1: again with Abrigan? Nope, OKC not going on fair enough.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it that way. It's Jody Abergan and

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Speaker 1: what's up. Jody, Hey, thank you for having me on

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Speaker 1: the last episode of the year. Yeah, I'm surprised of

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Speaker 1: all the of all the ways you could have stumbled

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Speaker 1: and saying the date, it's actually the year that I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised you've got right, just because I feel like so

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Speaker 1: many people, I feel like twenty one just wanted to

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Speaker 1: this big blob feeling blend just a blender. Well, we

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Speaker 1: are also thrilled to be joined in our third seat

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Speaker 1: by a legendary actor writer you've heard on Comedy Bang Bang,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite podcasts, The Flagrant Ones. You can

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Speaker 1: currently see him on the NBC Comedy Grand Crew, Please

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Speaker 1: welcome the brilliant, the talented Carl tal You want to

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Speaker 1: come out again with Tate Now I'm just playing, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, didn't finally gave me the keys? Y'all? It's

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Speaker 1: been this many years that I finally gave me the keys.

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Speaker 1: They gave me half a key. They took me. They

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Speaker 1: gave me half a key. But I'm a flip it

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Speaker 1: and turn it into a brick. Okay, they they finally

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Speaker 1: It's been so many years. There's been like five years

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Speaker 1: since I've been trying to take Miles a spot and

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Speaker 1: I have finally done it. This is crazy, this is

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Speaker 1: this is insane. They only gave me half Again, we

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Speaker 1: are sharing the duties today of co host. It's like

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Speaker 1: when you take your driver's test and the person next

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Speaker 1: to you just still has a break just in case. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they gave me because they because they know what I'm

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Speaker 1: liable to do. I'm liable to run this thing into

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Speaker 1: a telephone pole. I'm telling you, they justin Let's go

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Speaker 1: back and edit all that out we're getting I'm just yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's great to have you both, Carl, wonderful to

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Speaker 1: have you. You have been, you know, just subtly seating

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Speaker 1: that you would be a better co host than Miles

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Speaker 1: for for a long time and you know, finally given

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Speaker 1: it a shot. Fine, I got my sides, I got

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Speaker 1: my head shot. I'm standing outside of Jack's house ready

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Speaker 1: to walk this show. Is what is subtly seating it?

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Speaker 1: Like with him saying, you know, I would be a

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Speaker 1: better co host than Yeah, like they're sung. You know

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Speaker 1: audio grams there are, um you know, just help point

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Speaker 1: out every time Miles like flubs a word or flubs

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Speaker 1: the guests name, which is you know, as far as

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned on my Twitter burner, I'm always the one

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Speaker 1: that has something to say negative about the Uh they

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Speaker 1: don't know that it's me, but I'm admitting that it's

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Speaker 1: me now because I finally made here. They finally gave

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Speaker 1: me half a key. The hats that will be worn

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Speaker 1: during this now way better quality, just so you know

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Speaker 1: you can see you can see it back here right here,

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Speaker 1: way better quality. You know, I think that's gonna be great.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. But to shout out

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Speaker 1: to the o G listeners, to the people to the

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Speaker 1: day ones who remember who remember me from back in

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Speaker 1: to get to this moment, just to get here when

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Speaker 1: they started doing this podcast in four Yes, you were

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Speaker 1: long time ago, one of the original culture kings. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: congrats on Grand crew Man, Thanks man, thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: and congrats on Flagrant Ones continuing to be a great podcast. Hey,

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Speaker 1: that felt that. It feels good to still be doing

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Speaker 1: that with those guys at Universe. Got shout shout out

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Speaker 1: to Vulture. We got it shouted out in the one

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Speaker 1: well deserved, pretty pretty fucking sick, pretty sick night. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then we had just due to the general state

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Speaker 1: it's a mess out there, But yeah, basically COVID related issues.

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Speaker 1: The best excuse that we've ever had for somebody to scratch.

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Speaker 1: Last minute, I'll just say that you've not You've never

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Speaker 1: had anyone scratch because of COVID related issues. That's far

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Speaker 1: front of their face. All right, Well, we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: to know both of you guys, all of us a

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Speaker 1: There's this Biden administration statement that has kind of gone viral,

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Speaker 1: especially on the right before its open frustration with you know,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Jake Paul because this guy just

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Speaker 1: the worst. And we will also ask the question, what

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Speaker 1: what the funk is master class. I was surprised to

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Speaker 1: see it's valued at like billions of dollars, two point

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Speaker 1: at all of that plenty more. But first, Jody, I

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Speaker 1: from your search history? I was spent more of the

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Speaker 1: Carl You might know better than I do, but it's

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Speaker 1: something like eleven players in COVID protocol or something, including

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of, Like it's got to that part

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen here? I hope they keep doing until

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Speaker 1: I go how many? Honestly, how what are you? You

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Speaker 1: clean the vitem Explendor. There's like all sorts of pots

427
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: that have just there's so much easier to clean. We

428
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: don't want to, we don't want to think too much

429
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: about that. The reason they're so non sticky. Yeah, I'm

430
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: assuming it's not giving me cans. Yeah, that's give me

431
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: a little flavor. Yeah, hands are so good make you

432
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: want to slap your mama. Um are all the things

433
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, crack pots and pots, Dutch ovens, are

434
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: they all things that you just plug in and then well,

435
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: the Dutch oven you have to apparently around a hole

436
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: in your backyard, get some get some coals. That one

437
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: goes into an actual oven or on a on a

438
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: stove yap. The others, Yes, you just plug in and

439
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: they won't, you know, raise the temperature in your house

440
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: by And there's something about like the pressure cooker one

441
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: whichever the one whichever is the one that you can

442
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: like turn into a pressure cooker like that. Yeah, that's

443
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: the only time I've had like chicken breast that was

444
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: like tender. Yeah, I feel like chicken chicken breast. Usually

445
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: if you cook it like it has there's like a

446
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: one second window of cooking it where it becomes like

447
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: two overcooked. But yeah, if you leave the chicken breast

448
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 1: in there, let it rock for like three hours, it's

449
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: nice and tender. Pretty impossible that yeah, Yeah, And then

450
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: you can you can rip that chicken breast up with

451
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: a four put some ingredients in there to make a

452
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: nice buffalo chicken dip. Come on, come on, give it

453
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: to death in the buffalo chicken dead chips, chips chips

454
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: in a dip. You're you're telling me chips in a dip.

455
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: Come on, what are you dipping in the buffalo chicken dip?

456
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: I actually don't ever make buffalo chicken. Crostini is good

457
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: and something like that too, but if you gotta, you

458
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: gotta have to have the good thick chips. Yeah, that

459
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: really hold together. You dip your hand in their Johnie,

460
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: that's just straight up stress. You get your big pond. Yeah,

461
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: that's especially timely right now. People. People are good with

462
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: just sticking your fingers and dips this holiday more than ever, now,

463
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: more than ever. I know. That's what I'm doing today

464
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: at all the holiday parties I'm going to why not

465
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: gonna do? Yeah, you can't ship that like funk up

466
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: your holidays? No, no, no, here's why I don't think

467
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: it's sucked up my holidays. Number one, we got a

468
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: whole week. I have a whole week. First of all,

469
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: today is literally like the eighth day from since I

470
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: felt symptoms I guess if you will, And my symptoms

471
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: only lasted like three days last week. So even though

472
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: the test was very like I mean, I was testing

473
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: all week because I was I was doing my due diligence. Yeah,

474
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: I'm not out here just take one week as rapid

475
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: and then getting out of streets, I was, I was

476
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: doing my dude dealing. I did my part. I just

477
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: got gout in the end, you know, I played myself.

478
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: But uh, I'm I'm I'm already on like day eight

479
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: of the since the first sign of symptoms, and I

480
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: have no symptoms right now. No, I'm just kidding, but uh,

481
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: I have no. I have no symptoms right now. I've

482
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: already like gone through like the sickness that I did

483
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: have last week. So I'll be good by Saturday. I'm

484
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: sure I'll test negative. So yeah, alright, Well, speaking of

485
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: acron listen, let's just talk real quick. There does seem

486
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: to be a shift in how the Biden administration is

487
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: sort of communicating around this wave, and it seems like

488
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: there's a hint of frustration and just not fucking roundedness

489
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: has entered the tone. So on December seventeen, there was

490
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: a White House press briefing from the medical team that's

491
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: supposed to be leading the executive response to the pandemic

492
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: that was pretty like strongly and plainly worded to the

493
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: point that like Snopes had to like verify that it

494
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: was real, like in their post on this. They had

495
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: a Twitter post that said, still struggling to believe this

496
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: is real, but it is White House Gov. We're intent

497
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: on not letting am acron disrupt working school. For the vaccinated,

498
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: you've done the right thing and we will get through this.

499
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: For the unvaccinated, you're looking at a winter of severe

500
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals

501
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: you may soon overwhelmed. Which is you know, it just

502
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: feels like a very kind of us first them, Yeah, like, hey,

503
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: motherfucker's yeah, anger, I'm all. I mean, I'll all for uh.

504
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: I am team vaccination, yeah, and team get you a booster.

505
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: But I think that's crazy to say that. Yeah, first off, Jack,

506
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: can I just say that every day when I go

507
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: on Twitter, especially in the evenings, there's always one tweet

508
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: that makes me like literally log out of Twitter, not

509
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: just closed my computer, like log out of Twitter until

510
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: the next day when I manually log back in. And this,

511
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: for me was the tweet two days ago, and just

512
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: the discourse around this tweet that made me so thank

513
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: you for dragging me back into this headspace because it

514
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: was just such an unproductive both screenshot and conversation that

515
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: broke out around it. You know, I have some thoughts

516
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: about the tough, the tough language here. I think it

517
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: is worth pointing out that like this was in a briefing.

518
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: This was spoken on like a call, and it was

519
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: immediately followed you know, this language of for the unvaccinated,

520
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: you're looking at a winter of severe illness and death

521
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals that you may

522
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: soon overwhelmed, which I think is basically a factual statement,

523
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 1: but it is immediately followed by in this briefing by saying,

524
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: our message to every American is clear, there is action

525
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: that you can take. You can wear masks, you can

526
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: get vaccinated, you can get your kids vaccinated, you can

527
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: get a booster shot. We are prepared to confront this.

528
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: We have plenty of vaccinations, boost shots. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

529
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: it so to me. I mean, at some level, this

530
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: is a classic Twitter like literally take a screen shot

531
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: out of context, posted online, and funnily enough, I think

532
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: was like picked up by both left and right to

533
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 1: get upset. But with this, this this sort of language,

534
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: I mean I saw in like lefty circles as people

535
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: being like the Biden administration is given up on trying

536
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: to take it, you know, do lockdowns or sort of

537
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: take measures that we know can work. And then on

538
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: the right, it's like fighting. People are telling, you know,

539
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: lead state on vaccinated folks that they sure to die,

540
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: which I think it's just a really bad faith way

541
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: of interpreting this language. I mean, it is not saying

542
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: we want you to die. It is saying your actions,

543
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: your individual actions have ripple effects, and you have an

544
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: out and you have a choice here, which I think

545
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: it's true. It is still striking language. It's definitely. Yeah,

546
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: it's notable for like the change of sort of tone. Yeah,

547
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: there's a guy on CNN yesterday, like one of the

548
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: hosts that I criticized for. You know, he had a

549
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: medical expert on who is like talking about the dangers

550
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: and like you know, passing it to them vaccinated, and

551
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: he was like, well, the vaccinated, that's their fault. Like what,

552
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: let's move on to the vaccinated. And I feel like,

553
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is a probably a smart

554
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: way for the people who are in large of policy

555
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: to be communicating, like you said at like in in

556
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: the context of so go out and get the vaccine,

557
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: like we have the vaccine. That's the difference between this

558
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: and when the outbreak was happening to spring or less spring.

559
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: But I do I get where some people are coming from.

560
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: The the lockdown thing is nonsense, because that's just that

561
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: ship has sailed. We're never going to get people to

562
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: buy into a lockdown, Like a lockdown is something that

563
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: has to be everybody has to buy into. You know.

564
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: It's not like people are going to voluntarily just not

565
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: go to work or go to the grocery store. Yeah,

566
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: people are just done with that ship. So Carl, I'm

567
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: curious or both you I'm curious, you know what you

568
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: think about to some extent, and in reading this language,

569
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's clearly exasperation I think on the part

570
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: of the Biden White House and just in general sort

571
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: of Yes, I think there's attempt to have tough love here,

572
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: you know. To me, part of it is just trying

573
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: to get it. What I think is a persistent in

574
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: the real understanding of what's at stake here. And I

575
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: think like even for a lot of America is still

576
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: there is not a real deep understanding of like what

577
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: the severity of COVID is. You know, we don't see

578
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: really like the inside of hospitals, we don't really have

579
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: a sense. And I feel like I live in New York.

580
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: I feel like so much of my experience of code

581
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: and so much of why New York has has high

582
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: vaccination rates is because we saw the freezer trucks outside

583
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: of outside of sucking funeral homes. Like I heard sirens

584
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: NonStop for three weeks because I live near a hospital,

585
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: and I do think like for a lot of America,

586
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: they just don't feel it. That's not an excuse for

587
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: not getting vaccinated, because you should think outside yourself. And

588
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: so this, this language starts to make me feel, makes

589
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: me sense a little bit. It's like trying to grab

590
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: people by the collar and be like this is real,

591
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: like like like you close that gap, like understand what's

592
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: at stake here. And I'm just curious if you think

593
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: that's effective or if there's other ways to get people

594
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: to really just see see this for what it is.

595
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: I personally think it's ineffective. And here's what I'll tell

596
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: you why. Because I have some close family members that

597
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: I've talked to in the past who an't vaccinated and

598
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: refused to be and and I asked why, and a

599
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: lot of the reason they was because I don't like

600
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: being told what to do and told that I'm stupid

601
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: and told that I'm killing people and told and it's

602
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: when it's not true, I haven't gotten and and their

603
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: their arguments were you know, individualistic. They weren't like thinking

604
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: about the group. They were thinking about, Hey, I don't

605
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: know nobody that got it or I the person that

606
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: got in my family was old, and they I didn't

607
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 1: give it to him, and I did my due diligence.

608
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: I I stayed safe and I wear my mask, and

609
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: I I just don't want to get that, you know.

610
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: And so I think with the world that we live

611
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: in now, where where you know, especially like a place

612
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: like Twitter is so like everything gets attacked. You could

613
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: say anything on Twitter and it gets attacked, you know,

614
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: And so everybody is on the defense nowadays. So I

615
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: think language like this, and when you when somebody's being

616
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: told something like this, especially they're already on the fence.

617
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Like people are growing highly frustrated with the Biden administration,

618
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: so they don't want to hear him talking about and

619
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: go get vascinated, go put this thing in your body

620
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: that Honestly, people, I think a lot of people don't

621
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: even have the capacity really to going research heavily enough

622
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: to know if it's safe or not, and so they're

623
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: just leaning to I don't know if that ship is

624
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: and why do you tell me to do it. There's

625
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: this doctor who like did this long like Twitter thread

626
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: of like twenty two tweets where he was just like,

627
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: this is how I approach it with people who are antiacts,

628
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: and there's just and again this is like I understand

629
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: where they're coming from, especially because these are like medical

630
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: experts who have seen the inside of hospitals, you know,

631
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: the seen doctors killing themselves, because like how awful this

632
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: ship has gotten. You know, it's it's bad for doctors,

633
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: bad in hospitals, it's bad at the peak of these things.

634
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: The doctor who I'm talking about has this like very

635
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: patient like he treats people's doubts like they're valid. I

636
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: feel like, and that's and it's just like very patiently,

637
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: like your questions aren't dumb, Like your questions are understandable.

638
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: Let let me answer them one by one. And I

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00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: don't know, like it does it does feel like there's yeah,

640
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: it's not a productive kind of approach if you're taking

641
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: into account like where we're at. Granted, I understand the

642
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: frustration like that I'm finding myself more and more just

643
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: being like like I totally see where everyone's coming from.

644
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 1: It's it's fucking awful, Like we're we're in really bad.

645
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean the whole you know, the horses

646
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: out of the barn. I mean, it's not like the

647
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: problems to this were seated way back when Donald Trump

648
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: was president and was Miss Manses and sort of put

649
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: an air of disinformation out there and so just there

650
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: was there's just no base level of trust. I mean,

651
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, my my wife teaches in a public school

652
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: in New York and a number of her students are

653
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: unvaccinated and have a lot of the same sort of

654
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: um doubts and misinformation and disinformation and all these things.

655
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: And you know, a I think she's absolutely boring out

656
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: that you just have to meet someone where they are

657
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: and talk to them. That's really hard to do when

658
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: you're talking about hundreds of millions of people, you know.

659
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: But also I think at the end of the day,

660
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, it does come down to

661
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: some of these you know, trade offs between just can

662
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: I live my life in a quote unquote more normal way,

663
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: or do I have to get a vaccine? And you

664
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: know a lot of people I know who were hesitant

665
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: when it's then says okay, well you know what, like

666
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: if you're unvaccinated, you don't get to do these things,

667
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: or if you're unvaccinated you have to quarantine when you

668
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: hung out with someone who was vaccinated versus if you

669
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: were vaccinated, or who what COVID was. If you were vaccinated,

670
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: you get to go on and live your life. Then

671
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: all of a some people are like, oh, can I

672
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: go get the vaccine now? It's like, well, it's a

673
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: little late, but sure, And you see just sort of

674
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: that that raw calculus get made. But of course, once

675
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: you start to do that, you dip into this whole

676
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: other tricky territory of mandates and you know, lockdowns and impositions,

677
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: which has gotten politicized as well. So yeah, yeah, I

678
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: mean this is kind of stupid, but I like what

679
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: one of the very first things that you read when

680
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: the pandemic was happening was that the president is generally

681
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: supposed to step back let a like leader or like

682
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: some like doctor or health expert kind of become the

683
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: face of the thing and just kind of keep hitting

684
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: the same simple communications. And like I was hoping that

685
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: the Biden administration would like kind of create a new

686
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: Faucci or someone that like people that would that would

687
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: be the person to like answer those questions, like have

688
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: a fucking dialogue with an antiax or instead of like

689
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: this statement, like have a dialogue in front of like

690
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, the press corps where it's like a very

691
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: understanding patient doctor who can become the face of like

692
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: the messaging around this. Or Olivia Rodrigo, you know that

693
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: they try to with her, but you know, like it,

694
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: find somebody who appeals to both sides and have them

695
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: just hit the same message over and over again, but

696
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: hopefully not in a way that like is kind of

697
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: accusatory or kind of alienating to want one half the population.

698
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: That's my pitch. Al Michael's yeah, that person and also

699
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: Michaels could do it. Yeah, maybe how Michaels. But also

700
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: as soon as that person is it like one of

701
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: these things where as soon as that person stepped into this,

702
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: then they will become politicized. I mean that's the sort

703
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: of story of our era right now, is that you

704
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: can take anything and it can turn into a political wedges.

705
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we all saw the video as not

706
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: a bill O'Reilly, and and they got booed from him,

707
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: like Donald Trump. People who get Trump tattooed on them,

708
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: we're mad at him because he got a booster shop, right,

709
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: And Trump was actually making I think if he had

710
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: made this argument and then shut up, you know, twelve

711
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: months ago, fifteen months ago, maybe it would have made

712
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: a difference. But you know, he was basically saying, like

713
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: this was a win for me. We should own this.

714
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: Don't see this ground. It's like, it's not just hey,

715
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: let's get over our culture war or politics war. It's actually, hey,

716
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: this is something we could have used to win our

717
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: culture war in politics war is that this vaccine was

718
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: developed under under my watch. And I do think he's

719
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: just I just don't think he's smart enough disciplined enough

720
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: to have actually taken take a w when he has

721
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: it um. But he could have said called it the

722
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: Trump vaccine and just written that, and and I think

723
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: it would have made a difference. And I think it

724
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: would have really and then we wouldn't have got helped him. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

725
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: I think any version of that would have come down

726
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: to him naming it after him and like turning himself

727
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: into like God Emperor, and like the messaging around it,

728
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: like that he's just incapable of anything that consistently goes

729
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: off the message of him being like somehow the center

730
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: of the universe. If you want to get the Bederta,

731
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: it's the Maderta, the Trump Xie. If you want to

732
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: get fights, there's in Obama vaccine. Nobody's gonna like it,

733
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: and nobody wants it, and nobody wants to rap. This

734
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: is such a this is such a good idea of

735
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: car It's like when I'm when coffee shops put out

736
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: two tip jars and vote right, and it's like, all

737
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden turns it into a game. It's like,

738
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: but you're actually just start tipping us for you the

739
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: way if they had turned one one one of these

740
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: vaccines is for blue. One of these vaccines, everyone gets vaccinated.

741
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: I'm doing that motherfucking Obama back sine. Yeah, that's actually smart.

742
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: People like I want to know what's in the truck vaccine,

743
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: what they get. I don't like him, but I'm getting

744
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: that one right. Yeah, They're like if they started charging

745
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: money for it, if they were like, all right, we

746
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: have new vaccine that costs three hundred dollars like people.

747
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: I feel like that people would trust that more than like,

748
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: you know one where you go to a parking lot

749
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: in the government gives it away to you for free.

750
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean Jesus that that line of thinking. It was

751
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: done too fast and effectively and it's free, so I

752
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: don't trust it, Like, yeah, all right, let's take a

753
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll come back and talk about Jake

754
00:39:45,320 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: Paul and we're back and all right. So yeah, Chen

755
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: had a big article that declared one Jake Paul's year,

756
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, one was Jake Paul's

757
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: year and he earned it or some ship like that.

758
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hate that ESPN is turned into

759
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: into a clickbait bullshit. Yeah, just like take machines where

760
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: they I don't know, it sucks so much. Like I

761
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: love sports and and sports media back in the day

762
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: with the Stewart Scottsen and people like it was the

763
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: lady with the glasses, the blond lady, uh not doors Burke,

764
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: but like the lady who worked on Linda, yeah, Linda,

765
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: like back in those days, like man, it was like

766
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: it's just like how regular media is now, Like it's

767
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: so leaning in certain ways and it's hot take culture,

768
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: and like if you follow sports center on on Twitter,

769
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: on Instagram or whatever, like it's always something like everything

770
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: that happened in sports wise, and you're gonna give it

771
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: to Jake Paul who raped a bunch of fights? Are

772
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: you kidding? That's because I mean, look, I'm as a

773
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 1: former ESPN employee here, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

774
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: keep from ESPN. But it's the case that you know,

775
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: the ESPN that you're talking about here is one in

776
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: which they could fill a one hour show with pent

777
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: of it could just be playing highlights that no one

778
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: had seen before. And now everyone has seen every highlight already.

779
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: So you gotta find something else to talk about him.

780
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: And that's the basic change. And so they're scrambling to

781
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: create storylines and find other things, other takes, and so

782
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: you end up, yeah, you end up with the Jake

783
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: Paul stuff. Jana has brought a championship to Milwaukee, and

784
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: the about that whatether you like it or not? This

785
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: was Jake Paul's yere Okay, So what's the rational for

786
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: for for making a Jake. Paul's here that he dedicated

787
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: himself to boxing, he became a legit boxer, and I

788
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: mean that's yeah, I don't see it. Maybe the same

789
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: aspect of like how you know media covers pop culture

790
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, if people are paying attention to this,

791
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: it must be valid. Like he hacked that assumption and

792
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: is just rising and rising. But like the the thing

793
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: he's doing in boxing, he's fighting smaller people, like there's

794
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: a reason that there's weight classes in boxing, and there's

795
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: also you know, I think there's obvious racial undertone that

796
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: ESPN doesn't like mention in this, like where he's fighting

797
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, black men, and you know they're like, doesn't

798
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: mention it, but does mention it kind of, And then

799
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: they like throwing the detail that he's not fighting boxers,

800
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: like it makes what he's doing more exciting instead of

801
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: like a fucking road show. They're like, uh, all right,

802
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: let me just read from the article. This has been

803
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: a year of silencing naysayers for Paul, who is still

804
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: only twenty four years old. Many still exist, and Paul

805
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: has still yet to fight anyone with real pro boxing experience.

806
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: But Paul's massive right hand with an exclamation point on

807
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: a remarkable or put an exclamation point on a remarkable stretch.

808
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: Over the past twelve months, he's won three times with

809
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: two knockouts, and perhaps most importantly, Amba is one of

810
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: the most bank bull pay per view stars in combat sports. Yeah,

811
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: it's like, is there is there any evidence that this

812
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: is actually increasing interest in boxing? Because I feel like

813
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: I don't haven't followed boxing throughout my life very much,

814
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: but I feel like the story of boxing, and since

815
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: the seventies or eighties has been basically since Mike Tyson

816
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: has been this notion of oh so and so it's

817
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: gonna bring boxing back and the interest is going to grow,

818
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: and it just never happens. It seems to be fleeting

819
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: interest in one particular person because they're you know, they

820
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: have an interesting storyline, and then it doesn't ripple out

821
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: from there. Is Jake Box, is Jake Paul leading to

822
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: a resurgence and interest in boxing. Not for me. I'm

823
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: gonna opening on damn sixty dollars to watch that because

824
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: I knew what was gonna happen. I knew exactly what

825
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: was gonna happen, and I'm try of watching him not

826
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: fight people who are actually fighters, right. I I'd love

827
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: for Deonte Wilder to get his to get his get

828
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: back with Jake Pole, like because he's been you know,

829
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: he's been getting beat by Tyson Fury. I will say

830
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: this has been the year of white man beating dudes

831
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: and fights, and we're taking els this year between Mark

832
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: Keith Morris and yokich Uh Jack Paul winning, Tyson Fear

833
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: beating up on Deontay Wilder. I think we need Did

834
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: Yogis win that fight or was that just like I

835
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: think he wanted in the in the court of public opinion,

836
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: in the narrative, he wanted because people wanted him to

837
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: because and you know, and and and Jody, you might

838
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about this. I don't

839
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Pat Beverley, Joey I think

840
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: I like, you know, are you listen to my podcast?

841
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: You're I'm a huge Beverly fan, but I but I

842
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: also came from face like Beverly, where I'm like when

843
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: Beverly push Chris Paul in the back ugly move, but

844
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: he just pushed him with two of his hands. What

845
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: Yokis did to a much smaller human being was egregious

846
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: and and it's it's overstepped, but everybody praised him like

847
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: he had just taken down something like. It was like

848
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: it reminded me of the o J Verdie You think

849
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: the only person to draw this connection ever. Maybe so

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Speaker 1: I think I draw the o J Verdic connects to everything,

851
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: and that's true. The people don't want to get this vaccine.

852
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: It's reminding the old j The Yogis thing was so

853
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: interesting because it was like so violent on his part.

854
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: And then yeah again again it's underestimating the importance of

855
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: a size difference. And when it comes to like an

856
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: act of violence. They were calling for Pat Beverley's head

857
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: when six ft one Pat Beverley pushed six ft tall

858
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: Chris Paul like in the back. They were saying he

859
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: could have broke his neck, he could have killed him.

860
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: Pat Beverley needs to be kicked out of the league.

861
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: This is disgusting and I'm like, calm down. And then

862
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: when Yokers did that, which is like he tackled like

863
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: he blinds I tackled him. But people understood it in

864
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: the context for what it was. They know that Morris

865
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: has been kind of asking for this for a long time,

866
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: so to speak. And you don't agree with that, but

867
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying in terms of how the narrative plays,

868
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think the NBA is small enough

869
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: and everyone knows sort of the narratives and the personalities

870
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: and the beefs and how they've built up over the

871
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: years that people tend to like take that into account

872
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: when there's incidents like this. I mean, that's you know,

873
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: that's the sort of it's this sort of soap opera

874
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: that everyone kind of understands all the little things that

875
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: go into a particular moment. I also think that player,

876
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a likability thing too. I think players

877
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: that people like are gonna get get off scott free

878
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: when they do as whole ship and players. Nobody likes

879
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: Pat Beverley. I'm the only Plat Beverley fan, me and

880
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: his family. And the fact that the Yoki's brothers had

881
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: their little moment and the sun was the best part.

882
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: They should be the honestly, they should be the the

883
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: athletes of the year. Twice you want to talk and

884
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: you are see And that's why Jake Paul wanted because

885
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: it takes like that. Yeah, So basically, I mean this

886
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: is he started as a sort of YouTube side show,

887
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: got people's attention, and then because he has so much

888
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: attention now, ESPN feels like they have to take him

889
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: seriously and they're doing it in in a way that like

890
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: is kind of approving, which I think is just generally

891
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: I don't know like it. Yes, he seems to see

892
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: the matrix in terms of like what works to build

893
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: fame and success in America, So did Donald Trump. We

894
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: don't have to act like that's like a good thing. Yeah,

895
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if if I find it very frustrating,

896
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: but is there? But isn't Is this part of the

897
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: storyline also that he does seem to have put in

898
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: some real work and does seem to have some capacity

899
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: for boxing, right, I mean maybe he hasn't proven it

900
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: against real boxers, but I think he maybe set the

901
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: bar set expectations so low into is this a serious

902
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: person who can dedicate himself to something real that he

903
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: seems to have cleared it just by becoming a clear Yeah,

904
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: and clearing a very low bar got him the American

905
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: one named the person instead of Janice who went from

906
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: selling socks on a boardwalk to uh, you know, being

907
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: the NBA champion. Honest, I never dipped oreos in milk.

908
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: Come on, incre Flagran. Once they were talking about how

909
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: he like, wasn't it a young kid? He was like

910
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: some kid told him about it at moment, and then

911
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: and then and then the best part of his quote

912
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: was he's like walking around to People'll be like, why

913
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: didn't no one tell me about this before? What's up? Like,

914
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: what the hell I've been eating orioles driving? Like no

915
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: one ever told me? Yeah, yeah, you're honest, Just like

916
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: we need to hold tight to the things we can

917
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: feel genuinely good about. And I feel like you honest

918
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: and and and that Bucks win. I mean, I don't know,

919
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: don't spoil it for me, but I felt I just

920
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: felt unabashedly good about all that. And I'm not let

921
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: me tell you something, no, I I really I really

922
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: felt great about it too. For a couple of reasons. One,

923
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: the Sons and their fans turned extremely villainous over that

924
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: over the course of the playoffs. From there, from the

925
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: stupid ass fighting Denver the Sons and four Guy did,

926
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: I never liked them, never liked the praise that he got.

927
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 1: I think it's just like how the Yoki's brother gets

928
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: praised for some reason on the internet. People on the internet,

929
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: people love to call out assholes but also praise assholes.

930
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't think, man, these assholes

931
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: are are are heroes, but then let another person be

932
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: an asshole and they're like, nah, you gotta go wait

933
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: a second. So, but I I really wanted that that

934
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: Bucks team. Everybody on that team, it felt like it

935
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: was such a second chance team, like Bobby Porters showing

936
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: out the way he did it was. It was so

937
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: feel good and fun, and everybody on the team is cool.

938
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: You love p J. Tucker. He's a second chance guy

939
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: who got the great shoe collection and just overall cool dude,

940
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: like it was. It was. That was such a fun

941
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: win and it was dope to see like Chris Paul

942
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: and not get a ring. And uh and I love

943
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: Chris Paul. I did love him. That's a scorned that.

944
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm a scorned lover of Chris Paul. But then once

945
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: he flopped when Pat Beverley pushed him like that, I

946
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: was done. I was done. I was like, you're about

947
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: to rule, You're about to ruin Pat Beverley's career for this. Yeah,

948
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: but I was. I was very happy for that Bucks,

949
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: so you can revelent that we can all revel in

950
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: the Bucks win that should have been the sports moment

951
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: of the year. And fucking Jake Paul. Yeah, all right,

952
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: you guys want to talk about master Class, I do, Okay,

953
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: I know we spent a lot of time on sports

954
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: and basketball. But so two point five two point seven

955
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: five billion dollars is the is the valuation of this product.

956
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: That is, it's like presents itself as an online learning

957
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: platform in which you pay a subscription fee in order

958
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: to access tutorials from Martin Scorsese Orton Ramsey. So you

959
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: got Martin Scorsese teaches filmmaking, Gordon Ramsey teaches cooking, or

960
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: Bill Night teaches science, which teach science. Boo boo boo

961
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: boo does a he has a TV show that does that, right,

962
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't cost you eighty dollars a year to what

963
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: it's just name teaches and then whatever the simplest now

964
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: describes their profession is science guy, so it's gonna be

965
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: teacher science. Carl Sart teachers, how to do a daily

966
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: podcast on one minute notice, How to replace the long

967
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: running host of a beloved Daily podcast. That's what I

968
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: take him down. It's funny though, because like some of

969
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: the stuff is who was it. It's like a successful

970
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: author who was teaching like how to how to write

971
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: and like be a successful author, but it was it

972
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: was David Sedaris. But like the stuff was about like

973
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: how to deal with a publisher and stuff like that,

974
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, that's that's kind of jumping five steps.

975
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, fort of negotiate with your publisher. Can I

976
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: just say one thing to trying to take half a

977
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: step back here, which is I have a have a

978
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: text message thread with my friend Ian in which we

979
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: basically write all of the things that we're unwilling to

980
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: put on Twitter or stay out loud in company and

981
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: just sort of like it's our safe space like test

982
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: out takes and and so forth. And I swear to

983
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: god it a week ago I wrote him a note saying,

984
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but Masterclass seems like really scammy

985
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: to me, and I want there to be just a

986
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,479
Speaker 1: big takedown of it. For some reason, it just gives

987
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: me those deep, deep there enough vibes and you know,

988
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: and to be fair, like we'll work through that. We'll

989
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: work through this conversation. A lot of the research you've

990
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: done maybe has has changed my thinking a little bit,

991
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: but you know, I've I feel like a big part

992
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: of my last especially five years or so, has been like,

993
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: if you smell a scam, it's probably a scam, And

994
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: like the people who seem dicey to you are probably

995
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: sketchy and trust that. And and masterclass just gives me

996
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: all of those vibes. So that's my starting point for this,

997
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: for this conversation. Yeah, now I think that's my starting

998
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: point and ending point. It's just it's the business models

999
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: pretty clear. They dominate YouTube pre roll advertising, like basically

1000
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: on any video where you're trying to learn how to

1001
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: do something for free, and you know they use the

1002
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: celebrity name to kind of draw you in, but you know,

1003
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like the celebrity teachers actually teach you

1004
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: as much as they like talk about themselves on camera

1005
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: well seated in a comfortable room for a few hours.

1006
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: It's like that five dollars or Dinner with jay Z

1007
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: conversation right right, you can buy a lot of jay

1008
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: Z albums the same thing he's gonna tell you. You go, like,

1009
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: I take the five Yeah, Bye Bye, decoded by a

1010
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: couple of his albums and You're You're Good. Yeah. I

1011
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: do wonder if people who take a mass the class

1012
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: really feel like they're trying they want to learn, or

1013
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: if it's really like this is a ted talk with

1014
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: a slightly different angle to it, you know, but at

1015
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's just spending some time

1016
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: with an interesting person. In hearing someone who you who like,

1017
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: who you like talk for a while. I'd be curious

1018
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: to see what the exit surveys are like. But yes,

1019
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: I mean to be clear, like to your point, like

1020
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: they do all seem to contain mostly just someone talking

1021
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: to their biography and telling compelling stories. And it's you know,

1022
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: the high production value. But it's got this, it's got

1023
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: this good hook, you know. Yeah, that seems like that's

1024
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: it a hook that doesn't really have a ton to

1025
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: do with what the product actually does, which I think

1026
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: is usually a sign that like something might be off.

1027
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: Like they have Chris Hadfield who's an astronaut and he's

1028
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: gonna like t shoot how to be an astronaut? I

1029
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: guess come all right, man, that's yeah, that's that's definitely scammy. Yes,

1030
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: your massive Class reminds me of the O J try uhhh,

1031
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm kidding. So it's a hundred eighty dollars

1032
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: for an annual subscription fee to get access to labratory content.

1033
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: If it basically if Bastert Class is basically saying to you,

1034
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: you get to watch interesting talks by some of the

1035
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: most interesting people in the world for hundred dollars a year.

1036
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't that doesn't give off full scam vibes to me.

1037
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: But something about the like class thing, the teaching you thing,

1038
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: the like you know, um prosperity gospel thing that's sort

1039
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: of wrapped around all of this is where that starts.

1040
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: But they also seem to have a lot of subscribers.

1041
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: They are, as you said, valued at a ridiculous number.

1042
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: Um so who am I? Who am I to criticize? Yeah,

1043
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: listen here phyllis if and I'm saying it to everybody

1044
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: who's listening, and to yo, you want some prosperity teaching,

1045
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: you want some uplifting, you want some he go watch

1046
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: T D Jake's videos on YouTube for free. D J Hey,

1047
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm I'm I'm only kind of joking. I

1048
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: think if you're ever feeling down. Everybody everybody feels down.

1049
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes you ever feeling down, go check out TV Jake's

1050
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, I mean there's more, but much better

1051
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 1: should available, just like find somebod's good at curating YouTube

1052
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: videos like Carl Tart Oh man, I'm a YouTube king.

1053
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: People are also pointing out that Master Class has a

1054
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 1: diversity problem. Three quarters of the instructors are men are white,

1055
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: so it's like a very specific point of view. And

1056
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: then you know, they had to pull Kevin Spacey's class

1057
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: was like one of the most popular for for a while.

1058
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: They had to pull that. Uh, and in they'll be

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Speaker 1: adding new instructors like Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.

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Speaker 1: So not problematic at all. Wait to see what those

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Speaker 1: two got to say together. All right, well, guys, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for both joining on this last full

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Speaker 1: episode of Jody. Where can people find you and follow you?

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Speaker 1: People can listen to The main thing I do is

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Speaker 1: this the Utopia show. It's called This Day an Esoteric

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Speaker 1: Political History. Um we a couple of times a week,

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Speaker 1: a few times a week talked about an interesting moment

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Speaker 1: from that day in political history and try and put

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Speaker 1: it in context and learn some lessons for for now

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Speaker 1: so people can find that wherever. And then, um, I'm

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Even though I log out every single day,

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Speaker 1: I do tend to log back in at Jody Afragan

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Speaker 1: and people can find my work there. You ever delete

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Speaker 1: the app like just oh, I've deleted the app. I'm

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Speaker 1: just logging it on the browser now, got it? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do that with Fantasy quite a bit, like when

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Speaker 1: things aren't going well, just delete, delete the entire app,

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Speaker 1: and then I add it back like fifteen minutes later

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Speaker 1: when I want to catch catch the score. Is there

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Speaker 1: a tweet or some other work of social media you've

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Speaker 1: been enjoying? You know, I will say as seriously as

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Speaker 1: I'm taking COVID. And as these jokes, there was a

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Speaker 1: round of jokes when it first came. I still get

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00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: a kick out of every Amarian joke that that gets

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Speaker 1: posted on Twitter. And there was a video from one

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Speaker 1: of his from one of his music videos that shows

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00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: him like dancing and then passing the dance along to

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Speaker 1: the other dancers, and it was like, this is how,

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00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: this is how the omicron is sparting, how the AMA

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Speaker 1: virus is spreading, and I I do continue to get

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Speaker 1: a kick out of all those jokes. Yeah, yeah, Carl Tart,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining as well. Thank you for having me.

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00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: Where where can people find you? Follow you? Watch you

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00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: on national television. You can watch me on on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: nights at a p m. O. NBC. The show is

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Speaker 1: called Grand Crew. It's also on Hulu and Peacock if

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00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: you want to watch it there if you don't. If

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Speaker 1: you don't, if you're sitting at home on Tuesday nights

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Speaker 1: at eight o'clock, you can watch it there. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram ad dammit, Carl. I deleted my Twitter early,

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Speaker 1: early in the pandemic. Yeah, man, I had to get

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Speaker 1: rid of it before it was cool. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: just it was just doing it, was doing too much

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Speaker 1: on there, Like I think, I think that that app

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Speaker 1: is a breeding ground of nonsense. Is there a tweet

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Speaker 1: or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's one of says I saw this. If

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul says, nigga, who gonna stock there? You go?

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Speaker 1: I mean it would probably be good for his career.

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Speaker 1: That was a tweet that I saw. Yeah, so you

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Speaker 1: still see tweets. Also, here's another tweet for you in

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Speaker 1: case you want to cut that one out. My classmate

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Speaker 1: was damn near in tears ranting about how much Kurko

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Speaker 1: Bangs meant to him and how he wanted to include

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Speaker 1: that at his documentary, and I was like, damn, drinking

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Speaker 1: my cup really changing lives out of here, but he

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Speaker 1: was talking about Kurt Kobang. Very funny. Yeah, uh tweet,

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Speaker 1: I've been enjoying trash. Jones tweeted, well, well, well if

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Speaker 1: it isn't my absolute breaking point, and I thought that

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Speaker 1: was a good summary of how people are feeling. You

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Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter, Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can

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Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at daily Zite Guys were at

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Speaker 1: d Daily Zu Guys on Instagram. We have Facebook fan

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Speaker 1: page and a website Daily zee guys dot com where

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Speaker 1: we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link

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Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

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Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Uh. Today,

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Speaker 1: I am going to link YouTube Vashed and Bunyan's Train song,

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Speaker 1: which is just this like haunting single from nineteen sixty six.

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Speaker 1: She was like Colombia's next big like folk singer artist

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Speaker 1: dropped her debut album and it sold so few records

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Speaker 1: that she immediately quit music, and then like it got

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Speaker 1: a cult following. She made like a little mini Sugarman

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Speaker 1: like resurgence in two thousand, released some new songs and albums.

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Speaker 1: But it's the the I only know it because it's

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Speaker 1: the theme to season one of that Amazon Prime show Patriot,

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Speaker 1: which you know, just in Jennal, we talk in our

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Speaker 1: year end episodes about just all the weird ass ways

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Speaker 1: we discover music. Now, you know, for the Night was

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs this year. I first heard

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Speaker 1: it when Janice was singing it during the championship celebration

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Speaker 1: to his brother. Anyways, that's a good song though it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a it's a class seck. Everything we need

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Speaker 1: to know about how Jack is ending the year is

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Speaker 1: that he's recommending trade song is the last thing exactly.

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Speaker 1: Just anytime you want to picture me, just play that song,

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Speaker 1: picture me staling, staring off into the middle distance. All right.

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Speaker 1: The Daily se Guys the production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows that is going to do it for us

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Speaker 1: on this Wednesday morning. We're back this afternoon to tell

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Speaker 1: you what's trending, and then we will be gone for

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Speaker 1: a little while. But we've got a bunch of year

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Speaker 1: end episodes. We'll tell you more about those later this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it. By