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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: win Amazing Giants prizes. Well, you heard from Paul and

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Speaker 1: Lands yesterday talking about the Super Bowl. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: break down the game, uh play by play here. I

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Speaker 1: just thought, hey, Dan, can we get his mic turned

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Speaker 1: off again? Know the mute but it's not functioning too bad.

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Speaker 1: I wish it was that big picture things. Lands and

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Speaker 1: I just want to talk. And I wrote about this

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Speaker 1: in UM Cover three, which which hit Giants dot Com

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Speaker 1: the other day. I know other people that wrote about

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Speaker 1: it too, I know, but I'm gonna I'm gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about the part of the game that I wrote about. Man,

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Speaker 1: I really don't like you sometimes. UM at the edge

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Speaker 1: we're having fun already. UM the way the Patriots are

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Speaker 1: like chameleons and can just change the way they play,

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Speaker 1: not only from season to season, but from game to game.

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Speaker 1: And I think offensively, we saw the shift throughout the

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Speaker 1: year where the Patriots did not play this year like

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Speaker 1: they had in any year before, where they used the fullback.

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Speaker 1: What was the classic Patriot you know, formation Brady shotgun,

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Speaker 1: empty backfield five one. That's what they always did. They

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Speaker 1: spread the field, give a lot of easy reads, get

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Speaker 1: out of the get rid of the ball quick. And

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Speaker 1: that's what they did this year. They changed everything. They

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Speaker 1: went full back, power running game, old school wham traps,

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Speaker 1: power guards, polling, old school nineties football. They can win

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Speaker 1: that way. And Belichick more than any other coach. And

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Speaker 1: I gotta give Josh McDaniels credit to becase he's has

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Speaker 1: a hand of the offense right the way they're able

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Speaker 1: to figure out what the best identity of their team

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Speaker 1: is year and year out and get the players to

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Speaker 1: buy into it. And this is something Belichick said. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if you watched an interview with Kawar and

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Speaker 1: Sims on the pregame show, was actually caught the second

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Speaker 1: half of but it was very good. Yeah, And he

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Speaker 1: says a lot of the times the players get really

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Speaker 1: confused and they're like, I don't understand. We did this

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Speaker 1: last year and it worked why are we getting away

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Speaker 1: from it? But the way they figure out what the

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Speaker 1: best version of themselves is and get the players to

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Speaker 1: buy into it, No other coach in the league can

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Speaker 1: do that. And I don't know if it's because they're stubborn,

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Speaker 1: they just want to play the way they know how

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Speaker 1: to play, or whatever the reason is. Now, I think

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Speaker 1: the Giants did that this year when they changed the

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Speaker 1: way they played mid season, going to more running and

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Speaker 1: play actions. So I think they actually saw that from

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Speaker 1: the Giants this year a little bit. But their ability

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Speaker 1: to do that consistently, to me, is just mind boggling. No,

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Speaker 1: you're right. You have most coaches that I think have

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Speaker 1: a scheme and a philosophy John and then they just

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Speaker 1: tweak it here or there for their matchups. But they're like,

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Speaker 1: this is our system and the players are gonna fit

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Speaker 1: into our system. Whereas I think on the flip side,

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Speaker 1: Belichick's the type of coach that says, yeah, we have concepts,

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Speaker 1: we have themes, we have schemes, but if I feel

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Speaker 1: like we've got to revamp it because I don't think

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Speaker 1: it will work effectively in a different matchup, He's gonna

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Speaker 1: change it on the fly. But the players have to

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Speaker 1: buy into that too, you know that that's an important thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to take anything away from Belichick, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think the players get enough credit that they're

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Speaker 1: able to evolve week to week and realize, hey, I've

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Speaker 1: got to study a little bit more, because it's not

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Speaker 1: like other teams I've been with John where you just

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Speaker 1: you learn the scheme at the beginning of the season

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Speaker 1: and training camp, and then maybe they install a few

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Speaker 1: new things here and there. And that's why I think

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Speaker 1: the Patriots only try to get certain types of players

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Speaker 1: that they know can do things like that, that are

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Speaker 1: mentally able to to handle that. And I go back

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Speaker 1: to a story that I've told on the air many

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Speaker 1: times that Jonathan can See has told us when he

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Speaker 1: got traded in mid season to the Patriots. It was

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Speaker 1: in the trade with the I think the Bucks, right

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Speaker 1: when they sent that tight end and he went the

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Speaker 1: I don't remember, not not important, thank you. Uh, we

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Speaker 1: don't give out complimentary And he also did a nice

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Speaker 1: us getting back to the point. Uh. Basically, he said

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Speaker 1: when he got there, guys, look, I want to see

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Speaker 1: what I missed. Can you give me a defensive playbook

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Speaker 1: so I can, you know, learn, take it home, do

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Speaker 1: extra work and study. They go, no, there's really no point.

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Speaker 1: He goes, what do you mean you gotta have basic

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Speaker 1: things from training camp that that are the basis of

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Speaker 1: what you do. They go, Honestly, based on who we're playing,

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Speaker 1: our defensive game plan is so different week to week

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Speaker 1: depending on the opponent. We basically install everything from scratch

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Speaker 1: every week. So it's really not gonna do you any

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Speaker 1: good good luck and he and He's like, I was incredulous,

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Speaker 1: and I said, no, guys, just give me something that like,

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Speaker 1: we don't really have anything to give you because it

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Speaker 1: changes every week. And it just shows, like you said,

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Speaker 1: the type of players have to look for that can

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Speaker 1: handle that, and just the coach's willingness to change and

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Speaker 1: be different. And I think one of the reasons that

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Speaker 1: the players buy into it their lance and are able

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Speaker 1: to do it, it's because it's Belichick. Why wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: listen to that? Gust them? Who else can sustain in

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Speaker 1: the salary cap era, this amount of greatness over eighteen seasons.

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Speaker 1: I mean eighteen seasons. Lance, Yeah, they've had some down

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Speaker 1: years in the middle, but double digit AFC Championship games,

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Speaker 1: nine Super Bowls. Who wouldn't trust this guy? And I

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Speaker 1: think that's maybe why, Lance, when these coordinators leave the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing that they're missing. They don't have that

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Speaker 1: adaptability that Belichick has and it's just so unique to him.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see it anywhere else in the league. Well.

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Speaker 1: I think also part of being that chameleon that you

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Speaker 1: labeled the team, and I think that's a good term,

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Speaker 1: is it challenges the players every week. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a form of motivation. Some guys, you know, it gets

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Speaker 1: stale after your six seven weeks into a season, whereas

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're a Patriots player, just as you

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Speaker 1: shared the story with Jonathan Casis, every week you're looking

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Speaker 1: forward to something completely new and original that now you've

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Speaker 1: got to delve into from a playbook standpoint. And I

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Speaker 1: think that keeps players, you know, at the edge of

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Speaker 1: Belichick utilizes. He may not mean to do that, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's a product of him implementing a new

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Speaker 1: adopt the principles that Belichick does. But to your point,

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Speaker 1: the guy is not in the room anymore that you

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Speaker 1: can consult with every week. Right. You know you're Matt Patricia.

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Speaker 1: You're with the Lions this year, and you've implemented some

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Speaker 1: good game plans. I mean, they even beat the Patriots

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Speaker 1: if you remember earlier this season. But he can't swing

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Speaker 1: by Belichick's office and say, you know what, let me

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Speaker 1: run this by you, coach, this is what I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: about doing on defense. And then Belichick looks things over,

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Speaker 1: you know, like a good editor that a writer has.

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Speaker 1: That's what Belichick is. I think for a lot of

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Speaker 1: these assistances, when you don't have him around anymore, now,

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Speaker 1: who do you lean on? I think that's the biggest

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Speaker 1: challenge for a lot of these asists. Yeah, I wonder

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Speaker 1: how much he takes control on situations like that too.

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Speaker 1: You know, how much is he taking the lead on Look,

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Speaker 1: I saw this this week. I want you to implement

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Speaker 1: this offensively and defensively. I'm sure he's involved in everyone,

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Speaker 1: absolutely so. I think while the Dolphins probably sitting at

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Speaker 1: they should be the job he did as the defensive

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Speaker 1: this year is so much better than was last year

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Speaker 1: under Patricia. It's a it's a different stratosphere. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let's get that straight first. But I'm sure they're also thinking,

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Speaker 1: you know, how much is Flora's just implementing what Belichick's

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they shouldn't have hired him, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's a really good hired. I don't think Floras,

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Speaker 1: his name I mentioned once during the Super Bowl, which

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Speaker 1: I think romost phenomenal. I think he's the best analyst

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Speaker 1: in the league. But the fact that he kept mentioning

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Speaker 1: did mention the Patriots defense a lot, but not the

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Speaker 1: I think that deserves criticism, especially since He's was Everyone

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Speaker 1: But I think I think it's just really fascinating when

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Speaker 1: figure out how much is it the coordinators, how much

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Speaker 1: which is obviously Belichick's expertise. It's the give and take

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Speaker 1: nice job delegating responsibility. Agree with that, especially remember he's

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Speaker 1: that he doesn't shy away from the middle of the game.

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Speaker 1: go back to the drawing board. Flores. I think part

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Speaker 1: because he technically does not have the defensive coordinator label.

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Speaker 1: He is the pseudo defensive coordinator John, but he does

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Speaker 1: call the plays. But if you go to even the

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Speaker 1: Patriots website, he's not listed as the defensive coordinator. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what his label is ahead, I'll

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Speaker 1: checking on the website. I don't know whether you know

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Speaker 1: it's associate coach, coach, maybe something like defense whatever it

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Speaker 1: may be. But Belichick's done this before. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: who left previously. Maybe it was Romeo Crenell and then

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Speaker 1: he didn't automatically replace Romeo Cornell because I don't think

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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia took over his defensive coordinator immediately he was

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Speaker 1: on staff. They didn't have the title just linebackers coach.

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Speaker 1: There you go, so wow, you know what, the Patriots

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Speaker 1: of one of the smallest coaching staff I've ever seen,

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Speaker 1: because they don't have assistance to an assistant coach Daniels

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Speaker 1: You know, the only four defensive coaches line corners, safeties, linebackers,

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Speaker 1: no assistant defensive line coach, assistant linebackers coach. That's old schools.

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Speaker 1: You know, teams have so many coaches. Now, that's a small,

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Speaker 1: small group. I'm actually surprised that he's listed as linebackers coach,

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Speaker 1: So you know what I thought would That's what I

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Speaker 1: you know have the title, people try away. But it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Goff and the secondary played

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Speaker 1: a good game, contested a lot of balls, but the

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Speaker 1: Rams only round the ball eighteen times. And if I'm

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Speaker 1: if I'm Belichick and I said this on yesterday's program,

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Speaker 1: I'm going into that game saying Jared Goff doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a lot of experiences a game. I want him to

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Speaker 1: throw forty five times, and they Brandon Cooks. But look,

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Speaker 1: Robert Woods is good, He's not great. You know, Reynolds

433
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Speaker 1: is fine, he's you know, it's not everyone in Antonio

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Speaker 1: Brand and Juju Smith Schuster out there. Yeah. Well, I

435
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Speaker 1: think the injury the Cooper Cup hurt the team absolutely

436
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 1: talked enough about you know, well the rams are so deep.

437
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Speaker 1: How can you say it's the loss of one player?

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Speaker 1: But was that intermediate guy John and he was that

439
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Speaker 1: security blanket for golf. So when you remove him from

440
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Speaker 1: the table, yes, it does change the dynamics of the

441
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: receive and by the way, excellent blocker in the run game.

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Speaker 1: They like to use him as that almost almost like

443
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Speaker 1: a second tight end and they're eleven personnel groups and

444
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Speaker 1: without him there it changed things. What do you think

445
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Speaker 1: is the deal with Girly? Do you think he's still

446
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Speaker 1: banged up? Do you think that he just ran out

447
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Speaker 1: of gas? Do you think they just like C. J. Anderson?

448
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Speaker 1: Do you think he has figured out the rung? Just

449
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Speaker 1: why do you think it just fell off the table

450
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Speaker 1: the way they did? And they decided to look, what

451
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Speaker 1: are you saving the guy for in the Super Bowl? Okay,

452
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Speaker 1: surgery after the season at surgery. I'm with you there.

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Speaker 1: That's why the injury narrative doesn't really add up, because

454
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Speaker 1: what are you saving him? What difference does it make?

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Speaker 1: I think it's what C. J. Anderson did towards the

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Speaker 1: latter part of the season and sort of pressing upon them, Hey,

457
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Speaker 1: we need to find a way to get him on

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Speaker 1: the field, and sometimes you overthink things. I think that

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Speaker 1: was part of it. And I do think that while

460
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Speaker 1: Todd Gurley is not letting it on to the media,

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Speaker 1: I do think that he was still limited in some

462
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Speaker 1: capac I agree with that. Now. Somebody told me that

463
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Speaker 1: I didn't see this. I don't know if you saw this,

464
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Speaker 1: and not that I care about it. There was some

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Speaker 1: graphic on social media about the fastest guys in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. In the game, they were measuring the speed

467
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Speaker 1: and Gurley was running faster than anybody else, so they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: how's he hurt? Listen, Girly at sun still be fast.

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Speaker 1: Running straight ahead is different than changing. So I do

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Speaker 1: think there was something that was still lingering with Gurly

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Speaker 1: during the postseason and I also think that they were

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Speaker 1: content with what C. J. Anderson brought to the table because,

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Speaker 1: in fairness, he was productive. He was so I figured

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Speaker 1: that they felt, all right, we give him a one

475
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Speaker 1: two punch, we give him different looks, will still be effective.

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Speaker 1: And here's why I think something is wrong, though, I

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Speaker 1: get using him in the run game, Anderson Gurly was

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Speaker 1: such a good receiver for them, Well that's what they

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Speaker 1: were missing. How many targets did he even get in

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Speaker 1: the postseason, let alone just a Super Bowl. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious. I feel like he was rarely targeted during

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Speaker 1: these games. I mean, clearly he was not. In the

483
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, he only had one catch for negative one

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Speaker 1: yard and two targets, and that was obviously a big

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Speaker 1: part of the game plan during the course of the

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Speaker 1: regular season. That's why guys like Zeke and Todd Gurley,

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Speaker 1: you know, are sub versatile backs. Let's see the postseason

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Speaker 1: in terms of receiving, he had no more than two

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Speaker 1: receptions in any game and had seven targets. Seven targets,

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Speaker 1: four catches. That's anohing. And then you look at let's

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Speaker 1: see in the regular season he had fifty nine catches

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Speaker 1: and eighty one targets and that's missing games. By the way,

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Speaker 1: how many games did he missed three? Let's see his

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Speaker 1: total games played? Miss three games? I'm sorry he played fourteen.

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Speaker 1: He missed two, right, fourteen games. I looked at the

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Speaker 1: wrong column, just saying, hey, he was heavily involved in that,

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Speaker 1: just like I was startled. It did backfire that James

498
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Speaker 1: White was barely utilized. That was that guy that they

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Speaker 1: would have leaned heavily on. And the other thing that

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Speaker 1: confused me too, because I thought he ran so well

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Speaker 1: on the first drive. They stopped using Sony Michelle on

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Speaker 1: first downs and of Birkhead, and I thought Michelle was

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Speaker 1: running the ball wonderfully. I saw that odd too, but

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Speaker 1: that that that's the Patriots. I'm sure they had some

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Speaker 1: type of obscure package or something they saw on film,

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Speaker 1: or some type of analytic that told them Birkhead would

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Speaker 1: be good for these specific plays in this specific quarter

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Speaker 1: or something like that, because for the life of me,

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Speaker 1: Michelle looks like a much better runner between the tackles.

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Speaker 1: He's stronger, who falls forward more. I couldn't understand why

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Speaker 1: they were using Burkett on first down. A lot of

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Speaker 1: those runs of confusement. Yeah, that was baffling to me.

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Speaker 1: And the other reason why is I've watched the Rams

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Speaker 1: a lot this season, and the one consistent issue that

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Speaker 1: I've seen, especially down the stretch when you were talking

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Speaker 1: about those losses, they've had trouble defending running backs out

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Speaker 1: of the backfield. Terek Cohen in that Bears game did

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Speaker 1: a lot of the heavy lifting. The way that the

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Speaker 1: Eagles manufactured yardage with their backs. I thought Belichick's probably

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Speaker 1: saying to himself, I got the personnel, We're gonna bring

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Speaker 1: James White out of the backfield. We're gonna force linebackers

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Speaker 1: and safeties to match up with him, and let's see

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Speaker 1: if those guys could tackle them. And hey, it worked out.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be the last one to tell Belichick

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know what ell he's doing. But that was

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Speaker 1: a part of the game plan I was expecting, and

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Speaker 1: they did not lean on that at all. There was

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Speaker 1: maybe a few possessions here or there where they targeted White,

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Speaker 1: but not nearly as much as I was into. And

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Speaker 1: Julian Edelman was great. Um had a great game. They

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Speaker 1: couldn't cover him. The romo was really good, kind of

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Speaker 1: discussing that and talking about how effective he was and

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Speaker 1: when they needed the big plays on that game will

534
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Speaker 1: turned out to be the game winning drive Gronkowski one

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Speaker 1: on one huge catch and two of them you're the

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Speaker 1: wheel were out to the first player that drive, but

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Speaker 1: the one that set him up right into the great

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Speaker 1: throw in between three defenders. Good catch by Gronkowski, and

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Speaker 1: they're just able to set up those one on one

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Speaker 1: matchups and all they need is that one one on

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Speaker 1: on match up they know they can win and they'll

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Speaker 1: get the ball to that play. Well. If you remember,

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Speaker 1: they did a similar game plan in the a f

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Speaker 1: C Championship game when Gronkowski got lined up with Eric

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Speaker 1: Berry and Gronkowski caught that pass up the left sideline.

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Speaker 1: That was a huge play that helped continue to drive.

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Speaker 1: So they've used Gronkin big spots. To your point, he's

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Speaker 1: come through. And the other big play that deserves a

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Speaker 1: lot of credit is Jason mccordy hustling his behind into

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Speaker 1: the back of the end zone and preventing Brandon Cooks

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Speaker 1: from hauling that in. Boy that was a late throw though,

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Speaker 1: man it was late, but it still was a hell

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Speaker 1: of an effort by whether it was late or not.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of distance he had to cover

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00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: and that wasn't a responsibility either wasn't even better over reason.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, that's why experience is important to

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Speaker 1: John what you just laid out. Even though it wasn't

558
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Speaker 1: his assignment, he had to whereabouts and the sense to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I've got to make up for a mr assignment from

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Speaker 1: my teammate and that could have very well been the

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Speaker 1: difference between winning and losing the Zuwer roll right now.

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Speaker 1: And you feel like that's just the type of play

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Speaker 1: of Patriot makes you know. It's it's like Jeter with

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Speaker 1: the toss play against the a's right where not necessarily

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Speaker 1: supposed to be there, but he goes the extra mile

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Speaker 1: and does the extra thing. That's the same type of

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Speaker 1: play that is save the touchdown run, same deal. And man,

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Speaker 1: I tell I know people hated the game. Oh it's

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Speaker 1: so boring to me. If it's a close game and

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Speaker 1: the games in doubt at the end of the contest,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy. That's all I'm asking for and we got

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Speaker 1: a competitive exactly. I will say this, even though it

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Speaker 1: was a one score game late, the Patriots really dominated

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Speaker 1: that game. They kicked the Rams, but the Rams punted

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Speaker 1: what eight straight times to start the game. They had

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Speaker 1: three first downs at halftime. If I'm not mistaken, yeah

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Speaker 1: it was. And look, the Patriots missed the field goal,

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Speaker 1: they had the interception by Brady in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: Those things don't happen you're looking at it. You're looking

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Speaker 1: at the twenty three route here, route here. So the

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Speaker 1: Patriots kicked the Rams, butts score does not indicate that.

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Speaker 1: What was the total ardige at the end of the

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Speaker 1: game four d seven for the Patriots to six for

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Speaker 1: the Rams, and the Rams got the two six the

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Speaker 1: only end of the game. They were way below that

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Speaker 1: from a lot of those big plays came on that

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Speaker 1: final drive. Both teams struggled on third down, which is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a surprise. And then you look at the

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Speaker 1: rushing yardage. New England nearly had over a hundred rushing

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Speaker 1: yards more so than the Rams. Rams had more penalties

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Speaker 1: in time of possession. New England had the ball for

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Speaker 1: about seven more minutes. They wore down that defense. I

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Speaker 1: thought the officials were consistent. They let him play on

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Speaker 1: both sides. They allowed the defensive backs to be very

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Speaker 1: physical and very aggressive. They weren't blowing the whistle, which

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Speaker 1: is fine as long as you're calling it both ways.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. That's cool. And they weren't the story,

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Speaker 1: which I thought was was nice, which is fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a defensive, grinded out type of game. We've

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Speaker 1: seen a number of them, maybe not as consistent as

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Speaker 1: people would want, but to me, it was refreshing. It

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Speaker 1: was refreshing to see a team go out there, play

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Speaker 1: well disciplined defense, lockdown a really good offense, and win

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Speaker 1: a football game. Jeff Eagle's favorite Super Bowl bol time

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Speaker 1: with all the punting absolutely, oh my god. He must

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Speaker 1: have been in punter head. And then the punter Johnny

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Speaker 1: Hecker setting the new Super Bowl record for the long

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Speaker 1: punk too. I mean it had special Teams written all

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Speaker 1: and he actually did a coffin corner two. He kicked

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Speaker 1: it out of bounds inside the twenty. Now we didn't

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Speaker 1: get inside the ten. I'm sure Fiels are disappointed by that.

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Speaker 1: I went like the eighteen but best Super Bowl ever

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Speaker 1: for Jeff Fields. I look forward to talking to him

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Speaker 1: about that. Well, this is the time that that if

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Speaker 1: you're a special teams player, you point to see we're

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Speaker 1: important to corner. Patterson had a couple of big kick

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Speaker 1: returns to to put him in good field positions. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: let's get to your calls at two on one, five

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Speaker 1: Download the cours Light Awards app to an amazing Giants

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Speaker 1: prizes and of course, guys, Giants calls are always welcome.

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Speaker 1: I just figured one more day and get my take

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Speaker 1: on the super Bowl. I didn't expect it to take

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes, but I thought we had a good conversation

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Speaker 1: about overall football and how the league works. Hopefully you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. So let's go to the phone calls and Dan,

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Speaker 1: I don't have the call sheet up here, so you

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Speaker 1: to give me a second. Oh, there we go. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to Drey in Atlanta. First, he's been holding alongest

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Lance, no problem, teamwork at its best. How

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Speaker 1: are we doing, Dre? Great? Well, John, I'm gonna stand

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Speaker 1: to the I am I'm the off season guy. I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to talk about uh free agent

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Speaker 1: con um and I'm looking at cost effective and even

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Speaker 1: something that may have you know that won't hurt us

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Speaker 1: in the cat I'm looking at Bryce Callahan, whom I

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Speaker 1: mean he's yeah, from the bear like him slot corner

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Speaker 1: coming off an injury, by the way, season ending injury. Yeah,

639
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: broken ankle, broken broken foot, fifth month metal car. So

640
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: so which means that you sure it wasn't the fourth

641
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: Meta car sold. You're sure it wasn't the fourth Meta car.

642
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: So you know, I just wanted to make sure the

643
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 1: doctor knew what he was talking about. I didn't expect

644
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: one of those. Yeah, he's good. Yeah, he's a he's

645
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: a cat friendly guy. So I mean, right now he's

646
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: on he has on the tailing of at one point nine.

647
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: Not like that one. I think that's a good one.

648
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: I like that right, And then I'm looking at safeties

649
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: putting somebody back there with Landing Collins. Once you know,

650
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: we get them back here here, that probably will be serviceable.

651
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: And the three names that came up with after looking

652
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: at some tape was Trade Boston, Kenny Macario, and Georgia

653
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: Loca Georgia I look of the former Bengal and Vicaro

654
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: was with the Saints for many years before he went

655
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: to Tennessee for one year. I don't know whether or

656
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: not Tennessee is going to aggressively look to keep him

657
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: intact with their defense, because obviously Mike Vrabel helped turn

658
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: things around there, so that'll be interesting if he's content there.

659
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: I do like the Bryce Callahan name. I think Callahan

660
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: really flourished in Chicago. They had a good secondary and

661
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: had a really strong front seven, so that's why he

662
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: was able to make a name for himself. I'm sure

663
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of interest for him on

664
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: the open market despite the injury, and all the safeties

665
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: you throw out were pretty much veterans. Now, I think

666
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: the Giants need to ask themselves, dre Are they at

667
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: the point where you want to groom a young guy

668
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: that you can build into James Betcher's system and have

669
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: around for many years as opposed to ning somebody for

670
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: just the season or two. Because all of those players

671
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, you're not giving them three to four

672
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: year deals. I'm going to bring him in from a

673
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: real quick if you really want to go to the

674
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: veteran around and get the best free safety you can.

675
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas, well, yeah, but I look that money. I

676
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: thought about Earl Thomas, but you know, I didn't know

677
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: what kind of money he was asking for and I'm

678
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: looking at you know, whatever we give him to, say,

679
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: we give him a three year contract, is they're going

680
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: to honor it if he has two great years and

681
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: want more money in the middle of one contract. You know,

682
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: I think that's the risk you take most players, you know,

683
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: I think I think Ronald Darby is another corner out there.

684
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: He'd probably be a little bit more expensive. From the Eagles,

685
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: who I think is uh actually fits what bet youer

686
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: wants to do. He's kind of that, you know, bump

687
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: and run, physical corner of the line of scriments. You'll

688
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: probably get a lot of money. Krean Jackson from the Texans.

689
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: Uh mccordy from the Patriots. There are some corners out there,

690
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: but the best market this year and for agency dre

691
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: is on the defensive line. I'm gonna tell you another

692
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: intriguing name at the corner spot that I would look into.

693
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: I know he's missed the bulk of the last two seasons.

694
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: Jason Varette from the Chargers. If the Chargers don't want

695
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 1: to put in the back, that's a name to look at.

696
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 1: That's a high draft pick who had a lot of

697
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: notoriety coming out of college. The problem is he can't

698
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: stay healthy. But sometimes it's worth look at Prince taking

699
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: a chance with those guys. That's a name that I

700
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: would give heavy consideration too. Well. I looked at Jason Frette,

701
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: but you know, he didn't play all last year, and

702
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: then you know, I don't know how healthy's gonna be.

703
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: You know, bring him in and he may not make

704
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: it out of camp, I don't know, but it's still

705
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: it's still a chance worth taking, I guess, especially if

706
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: he's not going to demand big money on the open

707
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: market because very few teams is gonna want to invest

708
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: so much in him? Correct, But to answer you earlier question,

709
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind bringing in the you know, drafting a

710
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: free safety, but still having that vet to pretty much

711
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, show him, you know, how to be a

712
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: professional at the position. He could still be groomed and

713
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: should you know, still be a mentor. But how may

714
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: when we brought a Mary was how were supposed to

715
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: be for Landy Collins. So um, that's he's take it

716
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: up the air. But that's those are my guys. But

717
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: I'll be back uh next week with with my linebackers.

718
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. We lost Bill in Connecticut then that's too

719
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: bad as a new car bill in Connecticut. You want

720
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: to get back on the super Bowl, please give us

721
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: a call back. I'll put you right up. You want

722
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: to get back on the line here five one three

723
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: ralph and Asbury Park, ralph A. It's going on? Gay?

724
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: What up? What's happening? Not much? I just wanted to

725
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: say about the Super Bowl, Um, because Paul, we're trying

726
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: to make a point yesterday. I think it was and

727
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: let's disagree with it. I don't know what John thinks. Um.

728
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: Do you think that the pictures actually have like the

729
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: route that they take like throughout the season through the

730
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: Super Bowls? A route? And I'm not Paul. Paul bade

731
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: this point two weeks ago to me and I rolled

732
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: my eyes at it. Yeah, the teams in there, Paul

733
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: likes to try to take credit away from other teams

734
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: when they win. I don't know if he thinks that

735
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: helps the Giants by doing that. I don't know what

736
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: his theoretically is with that. And yet the Patriots division

737
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: isn't very good. We all know that. Guess what, they

738
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: still had to win the division. They did good enough

739
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: to get to buy and they had to win three

740
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: playoff games. You think that was the thing. It was

741
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: easy going into Kansas City to beat the Chiefs, the

742
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: best team in football. Poppy cock. Okay, the Patriots earned

743
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: If you win a super Bowl, you earn every ounce

744
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: of that win. One thing I've learned, Ralph and from

745
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: the outside before I started working here with the Giants,

746
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: and I was working at w F A N and

747
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: I thought I knew everything. I didn't know damn thing.

748
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: It is so hard to win a super Bowl. You

749
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: need luck, you need persistence, and you need more luck.

750
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: And it's really really hard. And I will never in

751
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: a million years take anything away from any team that

752
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: figures out a way to win a super Bowl. It's

753
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: too freaking hard and I will never do that to

754
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: any team. Yeah, yeah, he was really he was really

755
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: upset about that. But anyway, Yeah, he was so upset

756
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: that he just wanted to change the subject. What was it?

757
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: It was? It was the division that he was annoyed about. Yeah, Well,

758
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: because I read him, I tweeted out Field Yates from

759
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,479
Speaker 1: ESPN put together an entire breakdown of the Patriots mark,

760
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: not just within the division, outside of the division, their

761
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: winning percentage is like ten times better than the next

762
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: closest team if you look since two thousand or even

763
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: outside of the division. So I read over those notes

764
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: and I'll bring it up again to just have you

765
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: take a glance at it. And he just kept focusing

766
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: on the Jets, the Dolphins, and the Bills, and I said,

767
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: and by the way, the Patres have actually lost a

768
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: lot of games to the Dolphins in Miami, which is

769
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: what I brought up number two. I also mentioned that

770
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: still playing ten games outside of the division, which is

771
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: the majority of their schedule. So when you take all

772
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: that into consideration, and the other thing is with the

773
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: parody in the league, you're not guaranteed to even beat

774
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: teams in your division. I mean, how many times do

775
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: we talk about games every week? What was it? Earlier

776
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: this season the Bills played the Vikings, and I'm sure

777
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: in pools where people were picking Minnesota because Buffalo had

778
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, a young quarterback, and then Buffalo winds up

779
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: beating them up. There are tons of times where games

780
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: like that happened because the disparity between teams is not

781
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: very large. So when you take all that into consideration,

782
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any easy path in the National

783
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: Football League because there's so much turnover with respect to

784
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: the salary cap and so forth. Here's the chart that

785
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: I was referencing yesterday with respect to what field Yate

786
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: sent out in terms of the Patriots record since two

787
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: thousand one against the a f C East winning percentage

788
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: against everyone else seven five three, and that winning percentage

789
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: is the best in the NFL twenty five more non

790
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: division wins than any other teams. So yeah, they're a

791
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: little bit better. They're a little bit better in the division.

792
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: That's fine. I mean it's not even a wide margin though, No,

793
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: it's a point three. It's a it's literally three percent.

794
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: There's a three percent winning percent. There's difference. Again, I

795
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: I I get it. I I don't disagree that the

796
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: NFC East up up and down has probably been one

797
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: of the less competitive divisions in football over the last

798
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: because of the year the quarter. I agree with that.

799
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue it. But to think that has

800
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: somehow like it's not like the Patriots have just made

801
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs the nine and seven with the one seed

802
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: every year. I mean they get a home field advantage

803
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: every year. I mean, come on, no, it's it's too much.

804
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: It's too much. Again, in order to do that, that

805
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: means they have to do well against the rest of

806
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: the a f C and their competition outside of the division.

807
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: So if you look at it from a big picture perspective, Listen,

808
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: everybody's entitled to their opinion. There's nothing wrong with that.

809
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: But to me, the evidence proves that they've been extremely

810
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: effective outside of the division as much as they've been in.

811
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: So therefore that comes with credit. And here's the other thing.

812
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: If you're doing it to elevate the Giants, I actually

813
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: think it hurts the Giants case. The more impressive the

814
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: Patriots look, the better it is for the Giants, the

815
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: fact that they beat him twice in the Super Bowl. So,

816
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: if anything, you want to do everything in your power

817
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: to elevate New England, if you wouldn't want to bring

818
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: it down, that to me makes absolutely no sense. Yeah, yeah,

819
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: I hear you. But one more thing I wanted to

820
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: say to you guys about the dress. And I know

821
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: everything is in the trenches, and as far as a

822
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: line and D line or what would you guys prefer

823
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: the Giant to pick up the six at the the

824
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: number six? Big? What you think is the most important

825
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: D line or I'll take myself there. I appreciate the call.

826
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I would probably say in a complete vacuum, if you

827
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: had two players that were rated exactly the same, which

828
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: doesn't ever happen in real life, by the way, but

829
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: they were identical players. One was an offensive tackle, one

830
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: was a pass rusher, I think I would take the

831
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Yeah, I'm with you. We're talking about both

832
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: of them are pretty much even on your board. There

833
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: the identical grade. So if the value is equivalent, then

834
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: obviously the difference maker becomes impact slash need and to me,

835
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: the edge goes to pass rusher. To me, having somebody

836
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: to complim Olivier Vernon is the biggest priority this offseason

837
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: for the Giants, and if we were like that is

838
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. And if we were last year and

839
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: they didn't have Nate Solder, I wouldn't say left tackle. Yeah,

840
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: that's fair. But since they got Solder, and I think

841
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: right tackles come a little bit cheaper in free agency,

842
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: just a little bit, and they're a little bit easier

843
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: to find. Though I think that's changing very quickly. In

844
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: the National Football League. People are realizing that most of

845
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: the time the right tackles facing a better pass rusher

846
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: than the left tackle. Um, that's why I would go

847
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: pass rusher. But if this was two years ago and

848
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: didn't have Solder yet, then I would I would have

849
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: taken the left tack But I will say this, if

850
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: the Giants go out in free agency, John and they

851
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: signed a pass rusher, and I'm not saying that they're

852
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: gonna sign in a lead pass rusher, but let's say

853
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: they sign a guy that's got good starting experience, I

854
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: would still say at six I'd still take a pass

855
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: rusher because I think you cannot have enough depth at

856
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 1: that position, and that's something that has also hurt the Giants,

857
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: especially when guys go down via injury. So if they spend,

858
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: if they sign like one of the big, big money

859
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: guys and they still have Olivier Vernon on the roster,

860
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: I'll disagree. If they sign a cream Martin ISSH, Yeah,

861
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: I guess that's where I was going, then I would

862
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: still I'm with you. I would still pick the pass rush.

863
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: But I don't think I don't think I don't think

864
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: they do that. I think they have enough depth guys

865
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: at edge with Kaream Martin and Lorenzo Carter of the

866
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: young guy. I think if they make the splash at edge,

867
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: they would make the splash at edge, So they would

868
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: go all out. In your opinion, yes, they would bring

869
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: in think a legitimate you know what, though, I take

870
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: it back. If if they see a guy that can

871
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: help and you know, play forty to fifty snaps a game,

872
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: and they think he's a good fit, I think I

873
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: think they'd sign him. I take that back. I haven't

874
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: really thought about that much, so I'm just looking at it.

875
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: I apologize for changing my mind perspective. No, that's fine.

876
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't think you can ever have enough. And the Giants,

877
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: with the injuries that Vernon has dealt with over the

878
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: last two seasons, and you know, he goes down, you

879
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: want to have somebody else reliable in addition to somebody

880
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: opposite him. And that's why I think they want to

881
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: beef that area of the team up. And if you

882
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: could do it in free agency and the draft combined,

883
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: then I'm all for that game plan. I think that

884
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: helps their case. I I said this, the Patriots and

885
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: the Giants had the same amount of sacks this season.

886
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: John they were both at the bottom of the battle,

887
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: but New England something clicked towards the latter part of

888
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: the season into the playoffs. And when you do that

889
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: and you're able to rotate personnel like they did, it

890
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: does wonders for your team. Well, remember they also have

891
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: an excellent secondary player personnel wise, so they're able to

892
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: I think, blitz and bring pressure more freely, which is

893
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: what I think we saw more in the playoffs because

894
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: they can trust their guys to the top cover in

895
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: the back end. So I think now in mccordy and

896
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: all those other I mean, Gilmore is one of the

897
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: top corners in the league that people don't talk about.

898
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: And Patrick Chung is really he's a good player. They

899
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: overcame that in the Super Bowl too, by the way.

900
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: But the both mccordy's are good players. Harmon Yeah, Harmon's

901
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: are good backup safety. They have guys that can play back.

902
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: There are good Bill and Cannec get called back. Let's

903
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: get him up next, Billy, Hey, how are you doing?

904
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: What's that? Buddy? Yeah? You know when I watched the game,

905
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: you know the Giants that talked tight end offense. How

906
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: come during the game, l A sidere was like, where's

907
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: the tight end. Where is he is he? There? Is

908
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: he playing the game? He has to be out there.

909
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: He has to give Belichick another dimension to say not

910
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: these running backs are wide receivers going out I tied.

911
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 1: You know, a dynamic tight end is what every every

912
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 1: championship team should have, and I didn't see nothing like that.

913
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: I didn't see any tight end you're talking about from

914
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: the Patriots perspectives. No, I'm talking about the Rams of

915
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: young tight ends. That's what they've been utilized participation. I

916
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: mean going out there and for the pages to worry about,

917
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: you know, day tight end out there, there's like nothing there. Well,

918
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, once again, if you look at the Rams

919
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: roster to your point, I don't think they have a

920
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: guy like Gronkowski, So I mean that's impossible like that.

921
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: But you know, when you go to the Giants, every

922
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: team should have it a tight end that can get

923
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: out there you have to worry about. I didn't see

924
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: any tight end on any path. Well, Tyler had a

925
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: good game. But remember, I mean, like what you guys

926
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: Gerald evering, They've got a pair of young tight ends

927
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: that are not necessarily in the game. No, they did not. Yeah,

928
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: that's that's what you're maybe they're lacking that's why that

929
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: aspect of the game was gone and they can just

930
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: concentrate on something else. Hey, look, I just think the

931
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: Patriots did a great job shutting everything they wanted to

932
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: do down in the passing, but they didn't have a

933
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: tight end yet during the year those guys were productive, though,

934
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: well where were they? Like I said, the Patriots did

935
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: a good job. There are two teams out there. You've

936
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: got to give credit to the defense and also Jared

937
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: god not having another time to look over the middle

938
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: of the field and make place there was any any

939
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: tight ends, get any receptions in the game. No, we've

940
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: already gone over that. They have it. Yeah. To me,

941
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: that's my opinion why there was a lack of the

942
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: offense right there. They didn't have that extra Yeah. But

943
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: the counter to that is is that because the Rams

944
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: went into the game saying we're not going to utilize

945
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: the tight ends, or the Patriots went into the game

946
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: and executed to perfection taking away the tight ends. Do

947
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: you understand? I could be Sean McVeigh and say, Higbie

948
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: and Everett, we got plays for you guys, and then

949
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: the defense goes out there, the plays are not there

950
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: to be made. So is it on the Rams coaching

951
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: staff or do you got to give credit to the

952
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: Patriots defense to give them like one almost like a

953
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: fundamental game for offense. That's what you get if you

954
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: if you you have a Gronkowski in your team or

955
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: not like the government Kowski, but you haven't another guy

956
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: like that didn't get over the middle, then you have

957
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: to worry about that guy. Yeah, but you you're assuming.

958
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: But you're assuming that the Patriots didn't worry about the

959
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: tie it ends and the Rams decided not to throw

960
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: it to them. We don't know if that's the case.

961
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: But no, thanks for the cale, man, We appreciate it.

962
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: It's a chicken in the egg, you see. Yeah, I mean,

963
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: did the Patriots not pay attention to the tight ends

964
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: and that's why they didn't get any balls? Or did

965
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots pay attention to him and that's why they

966
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: don't get any balls. I don't know what the Patriots

967
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: game plan was, And again I don't think Lance and

968
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: I'm making the arm of that Higbie and Everett are

969
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: on the level of Gronkowski or Travis Kelsey or Jimmy

970
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: Graham or even Evan Ingram no, they're not on that level,

971
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: but they certainly use the tight ends to effect over

972
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: the course of the year. And they were an eleven

973
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: personnel a ton they tight ends on the field, and

974
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: again they're not stars. And would they have liked to

975
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: get the tight ends involved over the course of the game?

976
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: Shore paid to tell you. It's not like the Rams

977
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: could do whatever they want during the game. They trouble

978
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: completing passes to anybody, not just the tight ends. Yeah,

979
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: you know what. It reminds me of this last conversation.

980
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: When fans watch a game they disappointed in the offensive

981
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: production or the lack thereof, I should say, And then

982
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: immediately the conversation goes into coaches have no idea what

983
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: the hell they're doing. The play calling stinks. Are we

984
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: going to decide or talk about the fact that there's

985
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: another team on the opposite end of the field that

986
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: may have done things to take away from the execution

987
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: level of the opposing offense. And maybe it was great

988
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: play calling, but the bottom line is plays weren't there

989
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: to be made, or the gaps closed up at the

990
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: last second. I think you gotta look at it through

991
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: that lens as opposed that you're saying how could they

992
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: not target the tight ends? And I'm actually I'm bringing

993
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: up the postseason numbers right now. In terms of the

994
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: tight ends. Higbee had six receptions over three games, eight targets,

995
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: and Everett had seven targets over three games two catches,

996
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 1: So we're talking about fifteen targets or both tight ends

997
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: in three games. Yeah, but if you take away the

998
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, then heading into the Super Bowl, they had

999
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: those same numbers over two stars. Yeah, two games, yeah,

1000
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: because they didn't get anything right in this last game.

1001
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: So for the first two games they were clearly much

1002
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: more involved. I remember actually Everett making a few plays

1003
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: against the Saints off the top of my head, which

1004
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: helped move the chains. And again we're not saying these

1005
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: guys are stars, but they the Rams rather certainly know

1006
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: how to utilize their tight end offense and fairness. Just

1007
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: out of curiosity. As a comparison, in the regular season,

1008
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: let's see where the tight ends ranked. You had. Everett

1009
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: had thirty three receptions on fifty targets, so that put

1010
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: him one to three four. That put him fifth on

1011
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: the team in receptions, and Higgbee was right behind him

1012
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: at twenty four receptions. On thirty four targets, so they

1013
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: were fifth and seventh because Josh Reynolds had more catches

1014
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: than Higbee and respectively on the team, and Salmon did

1015
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: a good job with the plays here in terms of

1016
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: number of snaps, and the Super Bowl ever played forty

1017
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: four offensive snaps, Higbee played thirty five, so they were

1018
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: on the field of tont They were right there. I

1019
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: mean that would have put him fourth and fourth and

1020
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: respective on the team, which is right where they were

1021
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: among receivers with respect to the regular season. So the

1022
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: usage didn't dip. It was just the Patriots did a

1023
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: nice job taking them out of the game plan right

1024
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: and again the Rams of trouble doing anything. It's not

1025
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: like it's not like they were like, you know, hitting,

1026
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: you know, Brandon Cooks left and right here, you know

1027
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: what I mean. They ran a handoff to Robert Woods

1028
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: out of the backfield and New England said, you think

1029
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: that's catching us off guard, and then I think he

1030
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: picked up five yards, So I mean they were trying

1031
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: to move personnel around and New England was extremely well disciplined.

1032
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: They did not allow the Rams to have that backbreaking,

1033
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: game changing play, which is what the Rams did all

1034
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: throughout the regular season. And when you prevent that, yeah,

1035
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna make a prolific offense look basically mediocre, middle

1036
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: of the pack. And that's exactly what New England did.

1037
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: You know. Over the course of the season, Tyler Higbee

1038
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: played in the offensive snaps it ever played of the

1039
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: offensive snap, So plenty of snaps two four or five,

1040
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: one three. Good job Danny Salmon getting those numbers. Maintaining

1041
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: his position as top call screener and producer on Big

1042
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: Blue Kick Off. It's not even close. As far as

1043
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. In this program. We will it is at

1044
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: the bottom after yesterday is the bottle. We won't men changed.

1045
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: We love you to death. Man. That's I'm just teasing you.

1046
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: Let's go to Charlie in Portland, Maine. He's up next.

1047
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 1: Let's up Charlie. Hey, guys, Hey, I think I think

1048
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: what the last caller was trying to say. I don't

1049
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: think Belichick went into the game plan saying we got

1050
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: to take out their tight ends. That is our first priority,

1051
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: don't there That's fair? Yeah, I think that's fair. All right,

1052
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: So that's what he's trying to say. He says, no,

1053
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: the priority was takeout, cooks, take out, you know whatever,

1054
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: not the tight end. So you know that's why he's saying,

1055
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: why didn't they get I'll tell you he watched the game.

1056
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: I didn't watch coded it. I didn't want to see it.

1057
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to see the Patriots. But I didn't

1058
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: watch the game. But Charlie's breaking the game down for

1059
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: watch the Dada, Well that is Charlie. Charlie, I didn't

1060
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: watch the game, but here's what happens. But I saw highlights.

1061
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean all those highlights of being Everett

1062
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: and how they were manned up or they were wide

1063
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: open in the middle of the field and you were pointing.

1064
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: What was thinking, Yeah, that's the point he was trying

1065
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: to make. But the other thing is I don't understand

1066
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: is why they didn't utilize Girly, why they didn't use

1067
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: him as a pass receiver. That the guys have one

1068
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: of the best running backs in the league. We were

1069
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: talking about, Charlie. And then that's why I asked Lance

1070
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: the question, because other people have asked me that question

1071
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: the last couple of days, and I don't have a

1072
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: great answer for him. But something was up. I don't

1073
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: know what it was, but something's up with him because

1074
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: he clearly once he got back from that two game absence,

1075
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: he was never the same. They kept using c. J.

1076
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: Anderson was a guy off the street, and it's especially

1077
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: using him in the past game. That's what confuses me. Um.

1078
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: I get you like the way c J. And is

1079
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: the running the ball, fine, whatever, I don't like it,

1080
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: but I get it. But he was such a big

1081
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: part of their passing game and he just wasn't utilized

1082
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: that way. It was very odd he carry it in

1083
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 1: the doghouse or he had an injury that was really

1084
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: I think it was a lingering knee injury where he

1085
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: just was not oncent. But we'll see if he is

1086
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: offseason surgery now that that'll be a big thing. It

1087
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: will be. But even if he doesn't have surgery, still

1088
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: could have been a lingering needs. But I think if

1089
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: he does have the surgery, you know there was a problem.

1090
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, there still could have been, but you

1091
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: don't know for sure. Yeah, and I know Gurley was

1092
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: asked after the game and he denied having an injury.

1093
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: But let's put it this way, are you're really going

1094
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: to use that as an excuse immediately after losing game.

1095
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: No player in their right mind, especially when for a

1096
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: month him and instead of coach, had been telling the

1097
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: world that you're not going to now change the narrative

1098
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: right after the game. By the way, I stunk, I

1099
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: was sorry anything. Why he didn't utilize him in the past,

1100
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought a few people asked McVeigh

1101
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: instead of McVey, but yeah, makes no difference. I don't

1102
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the entire press conference. In fairness, truly,

1103
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: unlike you, I don't comment on things that I haven't seen. Look,

1104
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: but look you're amazement when it comes to that. So

1105
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: thank you. Try. We gotta run power please, He's got

1106
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: tremad This more insight that I wanted. I'm dying actually

1107
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: Eli Manning for naming his son Charlie. Yeah, it was

1108
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: so honored inspiration. Yes, and it's just it's it's gonna

1109
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be so well for that the first son.

1110
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: And I have elies back and he has mine, and

1111
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: that I send this on Twitter, I'll repeat about nothing

1112
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: spells out having Eli Manning's back, then recommending that the

1113
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: giant sign and offensive lineman that appeared in one game

1114
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: over the last two seasons. But yes, whatever suits Charlie's now.

1115
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: I buy the fact that Charlie's elies back. My favorite

1116
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: part of that Charlie ELI has my back. That was

1117
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: my favorite one. Elis at home saying, you know who

1118
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: I got in a tough spot. You know how I'm

1119
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: gonna go bail out that Charlie important, that's my guy.

1120
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: Because in between his studying of film, Eli make sure

1121
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: that he watches every single edition of Big Blue Kickoff

1122
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: Live so he's well aware of the insight that Charlie

1123
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: brings the pro GA. It was perfect timing by the

1124
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: way that he followed that last caller so that he

1125
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: could trans I didn't watch the game. Here's what happened.

1126
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: You know. I'm glad we didn't ask him, but I

1127
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: have a feeling that Charlie did did not watch the

1128
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: game because he's one of those fans that for some

1129
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: reason hates the Patriots and can't stand them. Well, don't watch.

1130
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't understand that. I get it. If you live

1131
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: up there and you're I get that. I get that.

1132
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: I get it, and I understand fans that are just

1133
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: want to see a different team in there too, and

1134
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: they're tired of seeing the same team every year. I

1135
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: get that too. I understand that, And you just want

1136
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: to see a change and you're tired of looking at

1137
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: Brady and Belichick. I get that part of it. I

1138
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: get it. And look, they have been penalized by the

1139
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: NFL for cheating. I get that too. From a Giant

1140
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: pans fris pants perspective, though it shouldn't be personal. You know,

1141
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: it's not like Patriot fans went not there. The Patriots

1142
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: beat the Giants in these big spots. You know, it

1143
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: was the opposite. So there's no reason for Giant fans

1144
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: ate the Patriots because of that. But if you're tired

1145
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: of seeing him and you want to see somebody different,

1146
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: you don't like the spygate stuff, I get it. I

1147
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: get that part of it. You can understand that, right, Yeah,

1148
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: I guess I can. I mean, I guess I can

1149
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: understand it from the big picture perspective. I guess, specifically

1150
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: Giants fans, I don't understand why they would hate the Patriots.

1151
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: There should not have had the Patriots number. There should

1152
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: not be a singularly Giants reason why you don't That,

1153
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: I guess is more of what I don't say Belichick's

1154
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: the former Giant. Well, and that was the reason. It's

1155
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: funny because on one of our recent Factor fictions, Dan Salomon,

1156
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: one of the questions and statements rather that he developed

1157
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: was whether or not Giants fans are justified. If you

1158
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: recall in hating the Patriots, now we gotta now we

1159
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: we Yeah, I completely said they're not justified. I think

1160
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: that's fair. Now. I think we need to give Dan

1161
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: credit for he's had some good questions on those Factor fictions.

1162
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: It gets tough now though, because he can't now play

1163
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: off of things that are happening in the playoffs, which

1164
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: is really it makes January a little bit easier for

1165
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: us because you can kind of play off things that

1166
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: are happening in the league. New coaches get higher, things

1167
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: get changed until the combine the next three weeks. It's

1168
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 1: gonna be rough. Well, that's why they pay him mediocre bucks.

1169
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: So all right, we got we got two more calls.

1170
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: Oh this is I got this one right? At least?

1171
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: Did Lance get this one right? Okay? Lance got it? Okay,

1172
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: I'll this is the factor. We're gonna revisit our Factor

1173
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: the Factor fiction from last week, MS combined to score

1174
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: more than fifty three points. Dan and I both correctly

1175
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: said fiction. Now again I predict that they'd score fifty

1176
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: one too much credit. I'd not to admit that you

1177
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: were ever being honest, but let lance that will be over.

1178
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, and I went based on the trends

1179
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: in the mathematics, and I, first of all, was not

1180
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: very confident in the Rams defense. I think they've been

1181
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: very up and down. And I think once again this

1182
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: was their best performance, just like if you told me

1183
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: by the way going into that in Indianapolis Kansas City

1184
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: playoff game, when the Chiefs played their best defensive performance.

1185
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: I was wrong in reading that game too, because I

1186
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: never thought Kansas City would dismantle Indianapolis so easy. Now

1187
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: I will pat my back for one thing I did,

1188
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: and I wrote this, and I said it on the

1189
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: air last week the Feagles. I really liked the Patriots

1190
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: in Belichick in Flores and their defense against the Rams offense.

1191
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: I thought that was a matchup that would work. I

1192
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: thought that they would figure out a little bit what

1193
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: the Rams are gonna do, and lo and behold. For once,

1194
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: I was actually right about something I did. It like

1195
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: though Wade Phillips against Brady. I thought Brady would because

1196
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, way Phillis was that this a long time.

1197
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: There's so much tape on what he does that I

1198
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: thought they'd pick him apart a little bit. But give

1199
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: WAYE Phillips a lot of credit. He was mixing up

1200
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: his coverages. He was blitzin, he was playing man, he

1201
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: was playing zone. And Brady in that first half, I'm

1202
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: not gonna say, look confused, but you don't see Brady

1203
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: throw an interception like the interception he threw where he

1204
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: had a bad pre snap breed, and that tells me

1205
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: that they were disguising what they were doing very well.

1206
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: And Tony Romo, I thought, did a good job to

1207
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: talking about that over the course of the first half.

1208
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: So I thought way Phillips in the first half did

1209
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: a really good job. Keeps this in mind before we

1210
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: get back to the lines. Remember John Wade Phillips was

1211
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator of the Broncos when they beat the

1212
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: living crap out of Brady in that a f C

1213
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: Championship game in Denverse. Seventeen quarterback hits on Tom Brady

1214
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: in that game, So he's had a decent track record

1215
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: against the guy under center in New England. All right,

1216
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: let's go to Tron because we lost him last week

1217
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: in Colombia and we didn't get him on. I want

1218
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: to make sure we get to him now, Tron. What's up? Hey?

1219
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: What's going on? Man? What's up? Buddy? Hey? I thought

1220
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: you were gonna get my my sound you know what, Tron?

1221
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't get it onto the thing yet.

1222
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: What I want to do? I want to go get

1223
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: the old Tron video game like sound effect for him.

1224
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: I haven't done it yet. Sorry, Tron, next time. It's cool. Hey,

1225
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: So look, I haven't I have an idea to solve

1226
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: the problem of the horrendous no calls in the Saints game.

1227
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, you have a solution. Let's listen. We

1228
00:58:54,680 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: got Lance loves talking about and tell me us realistic? Sure, sitting?

1229
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: What do you got? All right? So you give every

1230
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: coach one blue flag per game. It can be thrown

1231
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: at any time during the game as long as you

1232
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: have a time out, uh, whether it was the second

1233
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: quarter or the fourth quarter. And it's only one flag,

1234
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: so a coach has to use experiently. Um, it's it

1235
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: can be used to you know, challenge the no call.

1236
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: You know before the next snap. If you lose it,

1237
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: you lose the time out. So you're working it into

1238
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: the challenge system essentially right now. So I got a

1239
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: question for you. If you get it right, do you

1240
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: get to do it again or you don't? No matter

1241
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: what if the call the cold be basically um, you

1242
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: know indors like you know no, no, I don't understand that.

1243
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: My point like, if the coach is correct and they

1244
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: change the call, would the coach get the blue flag

1245
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: black back because they got it right, or would they

1246
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: only have the one in that it? No, just one,

1247
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: just one because that you've given they could use it again.

1248
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: You know that? That to me, that would make this game.

1249
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: You know that's there? Well, I mean you're taking a

1250
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: page out of the Canadian Football League and because I

1251
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: brought it up on the show, it's relevant. The CFL

1252
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: adopted expanding replay for judgment calls and worked it into

1253
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: the challenge system. But you can only use one challenge.

1254
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: So what Tron laid out is pretty much what the

1255
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: CFL is. Tron, if you gotta not how about this,

1256
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna add something to you if if you get

1257
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: it wrong, do you lose one of your other two

1258
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: total challenges as well, or you're gonna count this as

1259
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: a completely separate deal, I would I would say as

1260
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: as a separated In addition, you gotta have the time

1261
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: I wull to use it, but your time I was gone. Okay, Now,

1262
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: if you really want to make coaches think about doing it,

1263
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: you can also take away a general challenge to if

1264
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: you really want to make this, you know, be real

1265
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: careful about using this thing. So I think that's it's tron.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're gonna do it and you want

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Speaker 1: to limit it and it's tough with no calls, that

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Speaker 1: that and and and and we've talked about that. I

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Speaker 1: think a good first step is the type of system

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Speaker 1: that you put out there. I think it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I think it's logical, and I think that's a very

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Speaker 1: good addition. Yeah, I mean, because I'm you know, I

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Speaker 1: can think of two occasions could have yeah, throwing the

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Speaker 1: flag one passing the chance on example, absolutely sure. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you go back two years, remember the remember the

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Speaker 1: past interference they didn't call against the Eagles on Stirling

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Speaker 1: Shepherd at the end of that game when they basically

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Speaker 1: both his arms down and something like that, right, and

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Speaker 1: there was one against Odell Beckham in the end zone.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that the Philly game? Right? All right? Tron, good call, man,

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it, all right, man, good stuff. That's a

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Speaker 1: good call from Tron. It's good bounce back from Charlie.

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Speaker 1: All right, Brandon and the New Jersey is going to

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Speaker 1: wrap us up then, thanks for hanging with us. What's up, pal?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Man? All right? I think the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl is a good game. Um My thills though that. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's the reason why. Uh, it's so good that we're

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Speaker 1: fortunate to have a veteran quarterback as far as like

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Speaker 1: Elo Man, because I figured that we could have made

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Speaker 1: the adjustments that we need to do to win that

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Speaker 1: game probably now you know. But now with that being said,

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Speaker 1: now coming up in the drive that we decided to

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Speaker 1: keep the law, everybody want to say, all right, we

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Speaker 1: keep the law and we grow more quarterback. I just

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Speaker 1: believe that this is not going to work in New York.

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Speaker 1: Being the fact that said we start off slow again,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be calling for the rookie to get in it.

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Speaker 1: We I just don't think we need to put that

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Speaker 1: type of pressure on Elaw and basically just having them warm.

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Speaker 1: See though, so if we're just going to go with uh,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I said, like the experience and the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl is this is critical, you know what I

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Speaker 1: mean to make the type of adjustments like every quarterback

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01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: can't do that. Now. Maybe it's going get back in

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01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: a few years. Maybe he could he win that game

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Speaker 1: and make the adjustments he needs to do. But I'm

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Speaker 1: figured if we're gonna keep I think that we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: draft no quarterback in the first round. And the fact that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: working other markets, but it just can't work. I'm very

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Speaker 1: happy that you added that cove at the end. Wouldn't

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Speaker 1: draft the quarterback in the first round, But if they

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Speaker 1: drafted somebody in the second round as more as a

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Speaker 1: developmental guy, would you be okay with that guy being

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Speaker 1: groom behind the life for a year if he's good

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Speaker 1: enough to potential be a starter. But of course, of

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Speaker 1: course before that didn't work, So I don't think get

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Speaker 1: Man will probably take that round again. If he fills

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, it's not worth taking in the second round.

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Speaker 1: I believe we've got way more needs than within the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I feel as though that we could ride with the

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Speaker 1: lock for at least another two three years. Look, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I agree. I think if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: take the quarterback, take the guy. If you believe in

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Speaker 1: a guy early, pick him early. I do think you

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01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: can get Dicey after the first round. I go with you.

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Speaker 1: But if you if you early though that I don't

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Speaker 1: bring that because you basically telling who that the quarterback

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Speaker 1: is going to so start rather we start playing good

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Speaker 1: or not well. But first of all, if the Giants do,

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Speaker 1: if the Giants do draft a quarterback in the first round, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that they're gonna lay that scenario out to

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning before they even go down that room. And

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Speaker 1: I think Eli would have to be on the board

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Speaker 1: with Yeah, you wouldn't all of a sudden throw that

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Speaker 1: out there, so he would understand that. And here's the

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Speaker 1: other thing. It's not the equivalency, But we went through

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Speaker 1: an entire season, Brendon, where yes, Kyle a Letto was

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Speaker 1: not a high draft pick, but every week, well yeah

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01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: even the season before, and fans are calling for realizes

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01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: head and wanted him replace. So my point is, it

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01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter whether you draft a quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: seventh round, the fifth round. If fans are unhappy with

1343
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: the current quarterback, they're gonna be calling for his house

1344
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: to regard Brandon Lance makes a good point, honestly, Brandon.

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Speaker 1: Even even if the Giants don't draft somebody this year

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01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: and he got low let us sitting there in a

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01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: second year, guess what Week four, we're gonna get calls

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01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: about low Light. Anyway, they might not be as many

1349
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: and it might not be as widespread, but we're still

1350
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 1: getting the calls. But I totally get where you're coming from,

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01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: and you want to avoid the drama, and trust me

1352
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: as the two people that have to take the phone calls.

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01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: We appreciate your goals, We love your goals, but um,

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01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what get more. Yes, I just want

1355
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: to say one more things. Yeah, you're right about that,

1356
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 1: because we don't need all that drama in this season again,

1357
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: because that's what it's all about. We've got to stick

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01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: together as a team, and that's the only way you

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01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: could get to even the playoffs or even thinking about

1360
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: getting to the super Bowl. Everybody gotta be on board

1361
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: of what's going on right then and in so I

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Speaker 1: feels though that's why we don't need that type of drama.

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Speaker 1: I feel as though all we need is a right tackle.

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01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: We need to two more. It sounds like a lot,

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01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: but we couldn't get it accomplished. Like I called up

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Speaker 1: in the sight, a right tackle, a right tackle, maybe

1367
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: a sinner because we don't know what Lapio gonna come

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01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: back and look like. And I feels though maybe he

1369
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: could be a backup anyway, So we'll get a right tackle,

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01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: a center, a free safety. We need at least two

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Speaker 1: more corners, and how many pass rushers? You want? Two

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Speaker 1: pass rushers? The guys the season and you know you

1373
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: just gotta have the months set of that. It's all

1374
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: about what's going what you're going to do in the

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01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: first round. A quarterback if you if you're going to do,

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01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: take the quarterback in the first round. So though, don't

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01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: bring helot that all right, Brandon, we gotta run man

1378
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: pass a lot of cloth. Thanks for the car. And

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01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: it does sound like a lot because it is revamping

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01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: the whole. Yeah, like we only need two corners, you

1381
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: maybe two pass rushers, maybe a safety. Um you know

1382
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: you could use a couple offensive linemen, only two or

1383
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: three and no drama, not all that done, no drama,

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01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: I Brennan, all jokes aside, good phone call and and

1385
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: and what you said made sense. Um, trust me. I

1386
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: get why as a fan, if you use the six

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01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: pick on a quarterback, you just want to say, you

1388
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: know what, you're using the six picks on the quarterback.

1389
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: Let the kid play. I get that. But I also

1390
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: get from the Giants perspective that if say that guy

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01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: you pick six is Dwayne Haskins, he's played one season

1392
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: in college football as a starter. Maybe they don't think

1393
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: he's ready, Maybe they think he needs seasoning. And I'll

1394
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: tell you one other thing Dave Gettleman could not give

1395
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: to you know what's about noise. He doesn't care. He

1396
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: is gonna do what he thinks right. And if that

1397
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: means the beat writer is writing stories every week, and

1398
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: again it's not their fault. They're being asked to do

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Speaker 1: it by the editors about who's starting at quarterback this week,

1400
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna be I don't care. You have Dan Salomon

1401
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,919
Speaker 1: flaming controversy on giants dot com about this church about

1402
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: the starter quarterback, which about way is not happening, but

1403
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: good time. Um still be it. Gentleman is not gonna

1404
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,439
Speaker 1: care and they're gonna do what they think is best

1405
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: for the quarterback position and for the franchise. That's it.

1406
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's the equivalency of Eli Manning here,

1407
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: because you could argue Elies a little bit later on

1408
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: in his career. But let's not forget the Chargers with

1409
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: the Eli year. They drafted Philip Rivers through that trade

1410
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: and then Drew Brees hung around for two more years.

1411
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: John Was anybody worried about, Oh my god, how's Drew

1412
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: gonna perform his duties? His quarterback Brett Farve was in

1413
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers was a late first round pick.

1414
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: Was anybody asking, oh my god, how's Brett Farve gonna

1415
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: do his duties as a quarterback? And we talked to

1416
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Speaker 1: Paul Schwartz who wrote that article recently, and he referenced

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, which is I think another good example. And

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01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: Alex Smith in the Chiefs put together a winning campaign

1419
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: and made the playoffs, and Patrick Mahomes was sitting right

1420
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: behind him and even started the final game of the season.

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Speaker 1: But the only reason he started is because k the

1422
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: City already locked up its playoffs spots, so there's multiple

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Speaker 1: examples I just laid out where a quarterback was taken

1424
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: high or low in the first round, the expectation was

1425
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: that was going to be the successor, and the individual

1426
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: who was currently holding foot under center was perfectly fine.

1427
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 1: So I think way too much is made up of

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01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: that in terms of fan chatter and media narratives, and

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01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't really lead to a lot of stock and

1430
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 1: substance in breaking a part of team. The show is

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Speaker 1: apt to an amazing Giants, prizes, lands, a good conversation,

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Speaker 1: good good stuff. Tomorrow it will be Detino and I

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Speaker 1: and then Lance and Detino are back on Thursday. Is

1435
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: that true? That again? How abright? We give you an

1436
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: opportunity to you always will you all you always do Thursdays?

1437
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: Did you switch this week? I'm doing Wednesdays, okay, unless

1438
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: you change the schedule to be okay, we want to

1439
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: clarify that again. I will be on the program tomorrow. Okay,

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01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: So you're Tino or me to borrow Tino at tomorrow?

1441
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: You on Thursday with I'm here anyway, That's it doesn't matter.

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01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: It really doesn't make a difference. Yes, all right, So

1443
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 1: tomorrow it's the Tino and Lands, and then on Thursday

1444
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: to be a Detino and then I know me and

1445
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: Feagles on Friday. And I don't think you're right on that,

1446
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: but I would not hold his word. No, I would

1447
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: not that. I will tell you that people go to

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01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: my office and check the schedule. All right, pear Latt's

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Speaker 1: met Josh that you're joining us. Good calls, very good

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01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: calls today, folks with a lot of fun, good uh

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01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: informative stuff here on the phones. We'll see you tomorrow

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Speaker 1: on giants dot com for another edition a Big Blue

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Speaker 1: kick Off Live. Have a great day, have a going