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Speaker 1: Um. Okay, podcast starts now. Okay, podcast starts now. Um.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Stradio lab Um, the podcast

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Speaker 1: about a podcast about two gig guys talking about straight culture. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, just before we started recording, George said, I

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Speaker 1: have no ideas. I'm completely out of any meaningful thing

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Speaker 1: well maybe you can just talk the whole time. Podcast

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Speaker 1: starts now, so he really just some behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: for listeners. George threw me under the bus right now. Um,

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Speaker 1: they can go without saying anyway? I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: wasn't sure and it honestly, I have to say, as

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Speaker 1: fans of this podcast now, I have embraced um being

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Speaker 1: part of that. Huh um. Rhetorically speaking, Also, Caleb, our guest,

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Speaker 1: says he cannot hear you again, Sam again, It's okay.

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Speaker 1: This is like a classic Okay, Hello listeners, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to Stradio lab, the podcast about two giy guys trying

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Speaker 1: I just want to retract what I said about Bottom.

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Speaker 1: It's like I can't be making jokes like that at

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Speaker 1: this stage in my life, So just forget I said that, George.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a Biden world. You can jokes like that.

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Speaker 1: song before, but like like Katy Perry's Firework can't come

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Speaker 1: So the level of ironic detachment is like baked into it.

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Speaker 1: so called Kylie Minogue purposefully soulless as an aside to

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Speaker 1: not even like it's remain argument. You're like, you know

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Speaker 1: they're both equally soulless. Kylie Minogue had cancer, Okay, so

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Speaker 1: suddenly that makes you a good person. If Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: then that's that's tainted. And actually the most authentic thing

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Speaker 1: you can do is be fake, right, because authenticity became

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Speaker 1: the new posturing, and then we don't that for long

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Speaker 1: enough that now posturing is the new authenticity, right exactly,

427
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Speaker 1: So everyone, all the capitalists are being authentic because that's

428
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Speaker 1: what sells, and then all the really cool artists are

429
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Speaker 1: basically kind of like, do you know, maybe doing a

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Speaker 1: commercial for progressive insurance right leaning into like the the yeah,

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Speaker 1: like the baseness of posturing and how it's it's kind

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Speaker 1: of ironic actually, Um, I think that's what people who

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Speaker 1: are actually authentic are doing. Yeah, huh, I mean it

434
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Speaker 1: really gives you a lot to think about. Yeah, we

435
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Speaker 1: really got there. Should we do our first segment? Um? Sure,

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Speaker 1: I guess I have one question before we get into it. Please,

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Speaker 1: is this fun? Caleb? The podcast? Yeah? Like, if you're

438
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Speaker 1: a listener, are you like nice? Are you like? What

439
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: the hell is going on? Look? I think if they

440
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Speaker 1: if if I'm listening and I know or am myself

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Speaker 1: a gay person? I can't Caleb, And I think if

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Speaker 1: I'm a heterosexual, it just depends on where my amy

443
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Speaker 1: ship is. Wow, that is so helpful to know. And

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Speaker 1: George is making a scared face and I am scared. Yes,

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00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything the Caleb just said. I can

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00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: hear you guys, Crystal, and I can hear someone sirens

447
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: in the background. I can hear everything. Oh my god,

448
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: can wait? Can we just go forward and hope it

449
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: doesn't happen again? Yeah? Yeah, okay, I'm I just paid myself.

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Speaker 1: This is chaos, this is crazy. We're gonna do our

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Speaker 1: first segment. It is called straight Shooters, where we ask

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Speaker 1: you a series of rapid fire questions to gauge a

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Speaker 1: year familiarity with straight culture. George, do you want to

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Speaker 1: start us off? I sure do. Caleb HBO's Watchmen or

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Speaker 1: Greta Gerwigs, Little Women, Greta Gerwigs, Little Women. Okay, Caleb,

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Speaker 1: tease lift a rod jay Z or m Knight Shamalan

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Speaker 1: jay z Okay. The scent rainwater or the scent fresh

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Speaker 1: laundry Um First Laundry okay. Caleb criticizing Biden, criticizing Trump,

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Speaker 1: or criticizing the new season of Mandalorian for Vulture. Criticizing

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00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: the new season of Mandarian for Vulture, Okay, Caleb. The

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Speaker 1: Legend of Zelda the failed Amazon series Z in which

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Speaker 1: Christina Ricci plays Zelda Fitzgerald. Or Legend of the Guardians,

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Speaker 1: the Owls of ghul Um, Legends of Zelda um okay Caleb. Breakfast, lunch,

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Speaker 1: dinner or the cup of water you drink throughout the night?

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Speaker 1: The cup of water you drink throughout the night. I

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Speaker 1: want to go back to the logistics of throughout the night,

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Speaker 1: but um okay. Primary inbox promotions folder or spam promotions folder. Okay,

468
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Speaker 1: my last one. I actually feel like I wrote it

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Speaker 1: and then now that I'm about to say, I feel

470
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: like George already did it. So George, feel free to

471
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: absolutely yell at me if you did this buying a

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Speaker 1: gun or downloading TikTok. I've never done that. Um downloading

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Speaker 1: TikTok okay? Tight? Um? So George, what do you think

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Speaker 1: his score is? I just want to say, did not

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Speaker 1: hear Caleb's answer? But I do have one more question. Okay, Caleb,

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Speaker 1: this is the finale? Are you ready? Okay? Being self righteous,

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Speaker 1: being self serving, being self flagellating, being self aware, being

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Speaker 1: self indulgent, being self employed, or subscribing to self magazine,

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00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: being self fraudult great? Great, oh my god. Well here's

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00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: what I will say, Caleb. I think you did incredible.

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00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: I think you got roughly two doves. George agree or

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Speaker 1: did you not? Here? I completely agree? I'm so sorry.

483
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: I the fact that I couldn't hear Caleb then made

484
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: me stressed out, and it put me in this. You know,

485
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: I suddenly was mentally where I was before. Um. Before

486
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: are very important and illuminating discussion with Caleb about whether

487
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: or not we or he was mad at us or him.

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Speaker 1: So now it's almost like that didn't happen, and I'm

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00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: back to square one of like, does he like us?

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00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: This is a podcast about trauma, and we are making

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00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: new traumas and we are working through them. Let's say

492
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: something about traumas. Everyone always talks about past traumas, no

493
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: one talks about current and future ones. And that's what

494
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: this podcast really delves into, creating creating trauma in this moment.

495
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: But for the audience, Yeah, I mean traumas, there's something

496
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: so reactive to them. It's like, oh, this happened to

497
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Speaker 1: me and that's what it made me feel. But like,

498
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Speaker 1: I think it should be more active. You should create

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00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: the traumas in your life. That's empowering. I think what

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00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: would be a perfect ending to this podcast, not to

501
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: step on your guys toes at all, is just later,

502
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Speaker 1: when the time comes at some point in the next

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Speaker 1: like fifty ninety minutes of us talking, I assume we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to that much longer. You guys just cut the

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Speaker 1: audio and say Caleb stormed off and refused to answer

506
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: any more questions and let them think that we ended

507
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: on a big blow up, and then we can continue

508
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: the beef kind of publicly online and really make it

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Speaker 1: seem like this podcast drove a wedge you know, well, Caleb,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a genius idea. I think it would

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Speaker 1: be incredible to um, you know, start a huge fight

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Speaker 1: with you, um and just sort of milk that for

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Speaker 1: all that it's worth. I think you know what would um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I can we can be Kanye West, you

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Speaker 1: can be Taylor Swift that type of thing, and we

516
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Speaker 1: could sort of get a whole decade of attention from this, right,

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00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: We just keep coming back. Yeah. Do you think in

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Speaker 1: the same way that being fake is in you being authentic?

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if that's happening with feuds too, where

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00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: people are so used to feuds that actually the most

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00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: uh interesting thing you can do for publicity is not

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Speaker 1: have a feud. Well, you know, I think um. Lady

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Speaker 1: Gaga posited this when she introduced the premise of kindness

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Speaker 1: punks right, which is based on the premise of Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift having a squad, which is based on the concept

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Speaker 1: of friends in general, which is based on the TV

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Speaker 1: series Friends, which is based on No That's wrong. There

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Speaker 1: was a British show that was based on the show Friends,

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Speaker 1: I think called like Coupling or something, and then they

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Speaker 1: made an American version of the British version called coupling,

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Speaker 1: and it was very confusing. Well, Friends was based on

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Speaker 1: living single. Oh sure, sure, so that's pretty much the

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00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: history of American pop culture. You're welcome. I just want

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00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: everyone to know because I don't know how we're going

535
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: to edit this. What you're hearing is like we have

536
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: taken out so many times that everything is completely gone

537
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: to ship and then we have started recording again. And

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00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: if you're hearing a very smooth, just smooth transitions all around,

539
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Speaker 1: know that that is because of our censorship consultants who

540
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Speaker 1: are editing this together. We were rehired and my and

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Speaker 1: my lawsuit, I am to make sure that I seem

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Speaker 1: really smooth and good on this. Yeah. Well, I do

543
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: think a feud, maybe it is tired, A lawsuit will

544
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: always be chic. Yeah, I mean it's also I think

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Speaker 1: I will say that when Trump is out of office. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think God willing. Oh yeah, we'll see. Um. I

547
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: think a lot of people, especially in comedy, are going

548
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: to be really struggling with their identity and what to

549
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: be foreign against um. And I think they could really

550
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: like pick sides like they could be against uh Sam

551
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: and George, they could be against Caleb. I just think

552
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: if you could really take a foothold in in the

553
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: political space, maybe, Well it is interesting once you take

554
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: Trump out of the equation, people no longer know, um

555
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: what to be against, right. I mean, we're we're thinking

556
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: of merch for this show, and I think some incredibly

557
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: confusing merch would be uh to a series of two

558
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: different T shirts. Uh. You can either be Team George

559
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: and Sam or Team Caleb. It'll be part of the

560
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: lore this podcast, um, and I think it'll fly off

561
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: the shelves because this is such a dynamic beef um,

562
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: and especially if the law is brought into it. I mean,

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00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, imagine we're rolling up to court and you know,

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Speaker 1: we get Amy Coney Barrett with Amy Coney Barrett were

565
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: at the Supreme Court. I can see now, and uh,

566
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Speaker 1: you know, the Caleb stands are out there with their

567
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: hashtag Team Caleb T shirts just going wild. As you

568
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: step out of your limo and you know we get

569
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: off the private jet and the Georgian Sime stands are

570
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: just losing it. Yeah. I want I actually could I

571
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Speaker 1: step could I hop in? It was funny to me

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Speaker 1: that you gave me a limo and you guys a

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Speaker 1: private jet. Can I say that, Well, there's two of us,

574
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: so and so, like we need more space person. Private

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Speaker 1: jettis for multiple I just tracked it as all. I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to bring it up in a what you're

577
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: saying makes total sense. I don't. I don't want to

578
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Speaker 1: be a bit well. And also, here's kind of what

579
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Speaker 1: I was thinking, is like, you know, you're gonna be

580
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: filing the lawsuit, and so it's like we're going to

581
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: travel to California then to do it, to do the

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Speaker 1: court date in the middle of a pandemic. So we

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Speaker 1: need if we're going to be safe about that, we

584
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: need to take the private jet. Yeah, you can't fight well, yeah,

585
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: you can't fight public public flying. You I might as

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Speaker 1: well kill myse elf. I've never done it. Yeah, I'm

587
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: worried it would hurt um. Can I can? I sorry?

588
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: Can I A hard pivot to a completely unrelated topic.

589
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: I just realized earlier today that the Blue Lives Matter

590
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: flag looks like the Leather Pride flag. Oh queen, have

591
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: you thought about this? Yes, because I have seen the flag.

592
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: I've been like, wait, what are they saying right now?

593
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, that's a leather flag.

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00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: They're just there. Horny symbolism is so slippery. It's like,

595
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: imagine if you named your it's like being named Isis. Okay, George,

596
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: here's kind of my question. Why did you pivot to that? Um?

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Speaker 1: I truly don't know. Well, i'll tell you. It gets

598
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: me to this point, which is, I went to high

599
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: school with a girl named Isis, and she she I

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Speaker 1: have not spoken to her since high school, but I

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Speaker 1: she didn't like it. Then, I don't think and I'm sure,

602
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: m I'm sure it's going similarly with the name situation. Right. Well,

603
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: I think the thing with both the name Isis and

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00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: the name Milo, both of which now are obviously like tainted,

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00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: one because of isis the terrorist organization um and brand,

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00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: and the second one because of Milegnopolis. And I think

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00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: both of those names were names that kind of progressive

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00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: Brooklyn parents would give to kids like Isis you forget

609
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: is like you know, kind of a you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's like a unique name. And then Milo, same thing

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00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: with that, so it's especially hurtful that they now have

612
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: such bad connotations. To be fair, I don't think Milo

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Speaker 1: as a name is canceled. I think only if you

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Speaker 1: are gay you can't be named Milo now, right, But

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Speaker 1: in what reality would you not be gay and be

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Speaker 1: named Milo. That's a good point. The intersectional, I will

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Speaker 1: my biggest problem. And I think that the worst thing

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Speaker 1: that Milo Nopolis did um was tour. He had a

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Speaker 1: tour called dangerous Fagot and that is acting. I know, cool,

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00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: that's very cool, I know, but that's the thing. This

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00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: is the thing that literally no one has actually figured

622
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: out a way to adequately respond to people. Like It's

623
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: like what the right did was then like adopt the

624
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: posturing of what was historically the left aesthetics of like

625
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: being radicals and being like, you know, being Republican is

626
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: the new punk rock. And then people responded to that

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00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: with literally Lynn Manuel Miranda, it's like your point, this

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00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: is your like, you know, being you know, sincere is

629
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Speaker 1: the new ironic or whatever. But it's not just that.

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Speaker 1: It's like being corny used to be a thing that

631
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Speaker 1: Republicans did. It was like family values, but now being

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00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: corny is the thing the left does. Who speaking of

633
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: who was it this, I can't I can't remember who

634
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: did this. But the perfect example of that to me

635
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: is whatever. Uh, woman's celebrity shared uh. The day the

636
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: day they announced the election for Harris and Biden, some

637
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: women celebrities shared a post that said, ladies make sorry, ladies,

638
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: make sure you're wearing shoes. There's glass everywhere. And that

639
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: is so corny, Like it's just a core it's a

640
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: it's a cornball like sentiment, you know what I'm saying,

641
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: Like that is like an older woman's take on something

642
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: actually cool that happened. Yes, no, it's see. That to

643
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: me is like that's something that a Republican person should say. Ladies,

644
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: make sure you're wearing shoes. Sam loves to rebuild. I

645
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: think it's so funny to have to remind the women

646
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: to wear shoes because of all the glass. It's implies

647
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: that shoes are a rarity for women as they are,

648
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: you know, potentially always inside at the home and now

649
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: when you step outside, women, be careful and put on

650
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: your shoes right because because so remember your shoes. Um,

651
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: that's queen shit. Um. Here's what I will say. I

652
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: think maybe we should like get into the topic because

653
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: like this podcast episode is you know, one of the

654
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: more chaotic ones. Uh, And I'm thinking that you know,

655
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: the topic could be sort of our flare gun that

656
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: saves us and and calls help famous last words. Oh no,

657
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: am I predicting things wrong again. So Caleb, I would

658
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: love to hear um what you decided to bring in today.

659
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring um to you guys attention. The

660
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: concept of fighting UM ufc m M A kind of

661
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, shirtless folks shirt and um that the straightness

662
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: that that exudes, and also just kind of UM, check

663
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: your guys this temperature on how you feel about it. Well,

664
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: I guess one thing about people. This fighting, like competition

665
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: fighting that you watch on TV is crazy to me

666
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: because it's like extremely popular and it's one of those

667
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: things where it's like I don't know a single person

668
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: who likes it, and yet it's people are paying, you know,

669
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: twenty bucks to watch this thing on pay per view

670
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: or something. I don't understand that. Um, there's the obvious

671
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: homoroticism around it. As you mentioned, it's a shirtless sport,

672
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: um and it's two guys going at it's it's hot,

673
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: it's horny. I mean you're seeing some wrestling. They got speedos.

674
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes yeah, you go and sorry, Sam, I

675
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: just need to jump in and and further make your

676
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: point when when they do their way ins, they stripped

677
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: down to their underwear and then they get like face

678
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: to face and touch like touch faces, like they like

679
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: touch their noses to each other, and there has to

680
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: be a guy to separate them. It's so gay. I mean,

681
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: it's very gay. Wait, is UFC like different than what

682
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, which is like pro wrestling? No, you have

683
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: UFC is not like pro wrestling. I'm thinking of like

684
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: w w E. So it's all under the umbrella of

685
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: sports entertainment I think. But like uf UFC is where

686
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: they actually beat the ship, like people really get their

687
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 1: fucking head rocked and drag element to it. No, WW

688
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: is drag, w w E is drag. But that's what

689
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: was about UFC real fighting. Yeah, okay, huh, which which

690
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: do you like more? George? Wait? Sorry, you're so confused.

691
00:41:52,239 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: So there's WFC, which is like more UFC UFC. UFC

692
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: is a sport, like an earnest sport. It's not like

693
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: for show. I mean it's for show. It's sports entertainment.

694
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: As Caleb previously said, Well, yes, I mean all sports

695
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: are entertainment, just like all politics are entertainment in this.

696
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: But UFC, so you, But UFC, these are actual athletes, George,

697
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how to make this any clearer to you.

698
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: UFC they're fighting for sport, okay, whereas w W E

699
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: they are like straight drag queens. Yeah they pretending. Okay, Okay. Interesting,

700
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: Well I had all these arguments about w W but

701
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: now I'm realizing we're talking about something very different. Well,

702
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: you know we Caleb has very kindly opened up the

703
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: umbrella to sports entertainment. Sports entertainment, you would like to

704
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: make a point about. So it's sports entertainment at category

705
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: separate from sports or entertainment. See. Now that's what I

706
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: actually have a question about because I used the phrase.

707
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I've I've heard, Okay, here's where here's

708
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: where we are from my perspective, from my vantage point

709
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: sports entertainment. I've heard, uh like professional wrestling, like w

710
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: w E, uh whatever, the other ones e c W,

711
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: like the ones where they like put on robes and

712
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: walk out to the ring and do fake Littal flips

713
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: and stuff. They're still athletes, but they are doing like

714
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: more acrobatics and acting than they are fighting. It's kind

715
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: of like, no, it's not like figure skating. It's literally

716
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: because is like wait no for me, the difference is

717
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: like the rule figure skating like you have to impress

718
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: the impress the Russian judge by doing like a perfect

719
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: loop de loop. But there is populist figure skating like

720
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: you have to the judge is the audience. Okay, now

721
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: we're talking. I would love figure skating meets w w E.

722
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Now I mean, yeah, that's so danger as George. Sure, yeah, no,

723
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: in a in a literal sense, people could die. I mean,

724
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: if you want to be literal and like boring about it,

725
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: people who would be more dangerous than any other kind

726
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: of fighting about George, when you say you want figure

727
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: skating to be more like w w E, do you

728
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: mean like I thought? You just meant like they had

729
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: more like plot lines, And that's kind of what I meant.

730
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: So I didn't mean that I want them to like

731
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: slice each other's throats with their figure skates. I meant that,

732
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: like I meant, basically, it's like, you know how in

733
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: figure skating, at the end of the Olympics they each

734
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: have like one chance to just do like a little

735
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: free form thing, where like Michelle Kwan did Fields of Gold,

736
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, does anyone know what I'm talking about?

737
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: No idea what you're talking about. But I respect your journey.

738
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: I think you're so smart. I want figure skating and

739
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: or gymnastics that doesn't abide by rules. They're given more

740
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: freedom so they can put on a show. So you want,

741
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: sir to no, I want. I want like figure skating,

742
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: but I wanted to be like to t Nash and

743
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: then for them to be like have a little like

744
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: drag reveal and then like take their wig off and

745
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: then like you know, maybe put up a photo of

746
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: Trump and rip it or something. You know. I want

747
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: there to be more drama, but within the medium of

748
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: figure skating. I want figure skating without the respectability politics

749
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: because I feel like figure skating and gymnastics are like

750
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: fascist sports, and so I want that. I want the

751
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: Bernie version of those sports. Well, the problem with that

752
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: is that figure skating is actually really hard and so like,

753
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: like I feel like you can't like casually be like

754
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: like you can't just have a drag queen that's like

755
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: wanting to be like political and rip a picture of

756
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: Trump on the items, because that's like she also has

757
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: to like spend like years of her life training to

758
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: be a good figure skater. So in that time, she's like,

759
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: isn't like thinking much of the politics and stuff, because

760
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: she's so insulting for you to say that you can't

761
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: be a figure skater and also have like a flair

762
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: for the dramatic. So that was suck up. I will

763
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: agree with George on that point. To George sanction against

764
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: Sam on that. Here's what I'm pointing. Here's what I'm

765
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: getting at. There are two kinds of sports. One is

766
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: sports that are not entertainment, and one is sports entertainment.

767
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: And of course non entertainment sports can be entertaining. I mean,

768
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: I've certainly been entertained while watching let's say a woman's tennis,

769
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: but it's not sports entertainment. But then wouldn't it be

770
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: great if each sport had an accompanying entertainment version that

771
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: was more like w W E. So you get your soccers,

772
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: you get your footballs, you get your baseballs, but then

773
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: imagine doubles of all those leagues. But it's all like

774
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: dragged up. I think I know what you mean. Okay,

775
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: I could be here for it. I could be here

776
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: I would invest is what I'm saying, I would invest

777
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: good they Caleb, is this the conversation you intended to

778
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: start with your topic? Absolutely? I didn't see it going

779
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: any other way. Caleb. You said when you brought up

780
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: the topic of USC fighting that you actually don't know

781
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: anything about it. Stay more. Yeah, So I don't know,

782
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: like I don't difference between God, I don't know the

783
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: difference between UFC and M M A M. I think

784
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: there is a difference, and then I think also I

785
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: read this article um a while back. I was trying

786
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: I was on a journey to try and understand I

787
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: have a lot of straight guy friends, and a lot

788
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: of them like fighting, and I was on a journey

789
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: to try and understand that uh in them, and so

790
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: I was reading articles about it, and I read one

791
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,479
Speaker 1: from this woman um in like a kind of artsy

792
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: online magazine. I can't remember the name of it, but

793
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: she wrote this piece about how she thinks that brutality

794
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: is really beautiful and like how how it's theater itself

795
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: and she compared it to like Garantica, that fucking ugly

796
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: painting about war. Um But anyway, the most overrated paintings

797
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: of all time truly, truly, truly can't believe. I had

798
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: to write a timpage paper bout in college. So it's like,

799
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: congrats on making a mural, right. The lines are choppy,

800
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: it's like gross looking. That's the point. It's like like me,

801
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway. I was on a journey to

802
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: trying to understand and I didn't. I still don't understand.

803
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: But I was like, you know, maybe that's part of

804
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: it is people think it's right, right, right. Well. I

805
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: do love the idea of going back to your straight

806
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: friends and trying to relate to them by saying, you

807
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: read an article in which a woman calls brutality, be right,

808
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: And I did, and I did send it to a

809
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: couple of them, and they did not care. I will

810
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: say that they were like, that's interesting, I don't care.

811
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: So well. One of the biggest mistakes you can make

812
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: is try to talk to a straight person about depth,

813
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: because they just that they can't relate. Yeah, it's not

814
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: the instinct. The gay instinct is to look for depth.

815
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: The straight instinct that's actually not even consider the surface

816
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: to be too deep and just keep jumping. I think

817
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: part of my issue, maybe this goes back to George

818
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: wanting Um drag on ice is like real like UFC

819
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: m m A fighting is like not as violent as

820
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: I want, like when I want to see like violence,

821
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: like I want to see like sort of like maybe

822
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: I've been Okay, Caleb's looking at me like I'm a psychopath.

823
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: Like a real life punch is like actually quite boring

824
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: to watch, Like it's just like oh cool, like a

825
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: fist is thrown and it hits someone's face. There's no

826
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: like I want to see like a movie sort of

827
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: heightened version of brutality that is like over the top, right,

828
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Like punches are boring, right, Okay, seems like someone's coming

829
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: around to my idea of having one group of sports

830
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: that has rules in one group of sports that's theater.

831
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: But I guess I think all I'm saying is like

832
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: I would rather watch like a movie in which people

833
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: have like a big fight. Yeah, I think I think

834
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: the it tracks to me. Um and I agree that

835
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: I would rather watch a movie than a UFC fight.

836
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad we could all agree on that this feud

837
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: is going horribly. No, we're all on the same page.

838
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: The feud will never work. I have a question, Caleb,

839
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: have you ever gotten into a physical fight. Yes, dish,

840
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: I got into one physical fight at a bar once. Um,

841
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: a guy called my friend and name a couple of

842
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: times and I asked him to stop and he didn't,

843
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: and I did punch him and that was it. And

844
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't much of a fight because I just hit

845
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: him and then I left. Who was he straight? I think? So,

846
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean he was, hey, why did you assume? Yeah?

847
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: Why would I do that? Uh? He said, I mean,

848
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, for all I know, I hope he was

849
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: or else it was gay bashing and that's wrong. Yeah.

850
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I was gonna ask did he

851
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: hit back at all? Or no? I hit him, and

852
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: then I just like, okay, so you just assaulted someone,

853
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: So it wasn't fa And when I think, when you

854
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: guys cut this out, it'll be really powerful. You were.

855
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: And so what you did was you physically assaulted someone

856
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: as a man to protect a woman. So it's also

857
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: kind of toxic masculinity slash patriarchy. Mm hmm. Yeah. And

858
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: it was patriotic as well, I would say, because well, yes,

859
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: well you did that, and then you you you said

860
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: America first, and that was for the guys. You punched

861
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: and for the government. Yeah, um, I don't know. I

862
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: guess I had a similar one time. I when I

863
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: was in sixth grade. I um was like playing rough

864
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: with a friend and he kind of like kicked me,

865
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: and then it made me so mad, and I tried

866
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: to get in a fight with him, but I was

867
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: really bad at it, and he just picked me up

868
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: and put me on the ground, and then I went

869
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: home embarrassed. He said, that's enough, young man, and he

870
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: put you dropped. Truly, he picked me right up and

871
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: put me square on the ground. So I've never been

872
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: too good at fighting. Yeah, that is a good fight.

873
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: If you ask me, you left unharmed, that's true. He

874
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: was very common yea. And this goes back to how

875
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: I think, you know, some of life should be in

876
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: earnest and some of life should be theatrical. It would

877
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: be nice if we could get into fights where everyone

878
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: could kind of like promise no one gets hurt, but

879
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: like we just want to do it for the drama

880
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: of it. M M. Maybe like a um, you know,

881
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: like an escape room situation where you go in and

882
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: it's planned that you're going to get into a fight

883
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: with someone, and then it's kind of choreographed. I mean

884
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: that would be really nice. I guess what I don't

885
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: understand about real fighting is that it really does hurt

886
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: a lot. Like bodies are quite fragile. Understood that either,

887
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: and like, like, okay, think about if you like run

888
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: into a door on accident, and how much like you'll

889
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: think about that for like three hours and be like

890
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: that actually really hurt. And then like this conversation is

891
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: so unhinged. This actually lost the thread so long ago.

892
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: So this makes sense and this is a direct line

893
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: to what we were talking about before, and that is fighting. Um,

894
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: I don't understand how people can get punched over and

895
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: over and be like okay, and I'm gonna do it

896
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: again tomorrow. Okay, Well once again I will say to

897
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: you what you said to me about ager skaters, which

898
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: is that they have trained for this their whole lives. Caleb,

899
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: you have to settle this fight. Um, what is the fight?

900
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean the fight is that the fight is that

901
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: Sam doesn't understand. Here's where I'm coming out from. Sam

902
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: doesn't understand how people could fight over and over again,

903
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: and George is arguing that they've trained. So I think

904
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: ye are on. I think you're both right, it's probably

905
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: hard to do, and also they probably have trained I

906
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: think we have a peacekeeper. I think you're both right.

907
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: I think we have a difficult time with people that

908
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: have trained and developed skills. I think fundamentally I have

909
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: a difficult time with that. I refuse to do it,

910
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: so I don't understand it. Another yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.

911
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: Actually this kind of brings me back to this upstate

912
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: with the heterosexual couples this weekend. Is I was, you know,

913
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: I couldn't stop critiquing in my mind and maybe even

914
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: sometimes verbally out loud, saying like, wow, you guys are

915
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: so weird. And yet I was completely unable to do

916
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: a dish, cook a cook a meal, right because you've

917
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: been trained in the former. Yeah, so I I oh,

918
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: I can critique the ship out of this space, but

919
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: to actually do something, well, that's impossible. Right. Well, critiquing

920
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: is kind of the gay version of making a stir fry. Right,

921
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: it's the queer it's the queer version of contributing to

922
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: a home. Yes, right, exactly right. Huh interesting, Wow, that's

923
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: actually a revelation to one of many today. To queer

924
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 1: a space is to criticize it, and to not queer

925
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: spaces to decorate, clean and up keep it, I think

926
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: is where we're coming from. Yes, exactly, which is why

927
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: queer eye is fundamentally internalized homophobia, right absolutely, what they

928
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: should do. What they should do if they were actually

929
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: quick or I is, go into those homes and be like, bitch,

930
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: you live like this? Yeah, And then that's my impression

931
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: of Anthony, if he didn't hate himself. So he listens,

932
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: you guys know, he listens, I know, and we shout

933
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: out to Anthony, we miss you. It's tough. We gotta

934
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: have you on. Sometimes he's been trying to get on,

935
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think he would be a good fit.

936
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: He's been begging in the d M. Yeah, yeah, he's been,

937
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: and he's doing it in that way where it's like,

938
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, he just kind of like every episode he's

939
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: like loved, loved this episode, and it's like okay, okay,

940
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: you know he thought it's like you and the various

941
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: other people. You know, it's like many people love that.

942
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: We're not gonna have each of them on, right. Sometimes

943
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: then he will lash he's very he will lash out,

944
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: and so then he will leave a bad review as

945
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: a way to neg us into having him on UM,

946
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: and that is actually a really effective campaign. Yes, that's

947
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: all we are going to have him on. Actually, yeah,

948
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: I left. Well I I think, I mean, you guys

949
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: solve them, but I think I left to get seventeen

950
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: bad reviews and you guys were like, what what do

951
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: we have to do? Yeah, and well, you know what,

952
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: it's all water under the bridge. I appreciate that. That's

953
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: really big of you guys. I don't feel the same way,

954
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: but it's nice to know that. You guys. Yeah, no,

955
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: you are you know, not to bring it back to

956
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: the first the first argument we had, but you are

957
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: now earnestly mad at us. Yeah, no, yeah, for sure. Okay, great,

958
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean this episode we have UM

959
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: struggled with being one brain dead, two technical difficulties the

960
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: likes of which no person has had to deal with

961
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: before on a podcast. Maybe actually Simpson three UM just

962
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: sort of chemistry that doesn't work because we're all we're

963
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: all so oun at each other that the conversation just

964
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: couldn't flow, and yet here we are. I wouldn't call

965
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: it a lack of chemistry so much as uh An

966
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: abundant presence of acrimony. You know, yes, hatred almost Oh

967
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: that's what I yes. Yeah, the chemistry is there in

968
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: the sense that things are reacting. You know, reactions are occurring.

969
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: Reactions are occurring. The chemicals are as alien aj once said,

970
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: chemicals react, right, the beakers are bubbling over. It's just

971
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: the beakers are bubbling over. It's you know, we're calling

972
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, people are you know, the Bunsen burner. And

973
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: then people are doing the thing where you rinse out

974
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: your eyes because you got the thing in your eyes.

975
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: It's this chemistry class has gone absolutely downhill. Okay, well,

976
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: and now I feel bad because I said that the

977
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: chemistry was bad and I was trying to think of

978
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: a third thing, and there obviously wasn't a third thing.

979
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: But we all know comedy you have to have a

980
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: there have to be three white gay men. And if

981
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: you don't have a third thing, you might as well

982
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: fucking end your damn podcast and work in sales. So

983
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: I yeah, we no matter what anyone says, we won't

984
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: do that despite all the people telling us to. I

985
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: think buying stuff is so chic. It's telling stuff. Oh no,

986
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: But so I do feel bad about um that line.

987
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: I just couldn't really think of a third thing, and

988
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: I was like, well, let's just run with this and

989
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: now I and I feel like when I said that

990
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: it was actually I feel like both of you were

991
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: kind of hurt. Caleb, is this how you thought this

992
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: would go? Um? I thought it would go bad. I

993
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:45,959
Speaker 1: didn't know it would I didn't know how. I didn't

994
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: know the flavor, you know. Yeah, yeah, well, just I

995
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: just want you to know. I don't know if you've

996
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: listened before, but you know, normally our episodes are great

997
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: forward inside the actor's studio interviews with straight faced guests.

998
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: So this is truly an absolute disaster. Nothing like this

999
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: has ever happened before. M m m M. I love

1000
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: and I'm happy to be a part of it. Frankly, Yeah,

1001
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: good good, Well, I guess, um, maybe we should do

1002
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: our final segment with that being insane, a psychotic thing

1003
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: to suggest, but ultimately the only path forward, kind of

1004
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: like Biden's candidacy. Damn, wow, I love our political commentary podcast.

1005
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: Do you think we've done a pretty good job of

1006
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: weaving politics into the evolution of this episode? Yeah, It's

1007
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: it's hard because you know, I want to talk about

1008
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: that stuff, but I don't want to turn into like

1009
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: I can't name podcasts on here because I don't want

1010
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: to get docked by some psychos online. But you know

1011
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I don't want to Yeah, yeah,

1012
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: which is why I enjoy our dynamic of me talking

1013
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: about it and then you're trying to stop me. Yeah,

1014
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: and it works, and it's it's you know, not all

1015
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: dynamics can pull that off, but we pull it all off.

1016
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: I think. Um. Okay, Caleb, you're clearly piste UM. Our

1017
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: final segment is UM shoutouts, and you know, normally it

1018
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: feels weird to do this final segment, and now I

1019
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: will say it feels absolutely insane because this has been

1020
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: the most disjointed episode of all time UM, riddled with

1021
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: technical difficulties and confusion, and yet we are gonna persist, Baby.

1022
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: We are going to do a shout out of something

1023
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: that we like, in the form of sort of you know,

1024
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: early two thousands TRL style shout out anything you like. Uh,

1025
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: you get it, George, Do you have one? Um? No, okay,

1026
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: I actually have one. And it's completely insane in the

1027
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: middle of this chaos to do what's up listeners, Um,

1028
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: I just want to give a huge shout out to

1029
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: Baby Yoda. I know that it is so stupid of

1030
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: me to say that right now, but this girl has talent.

1031
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: She is so cute. I don't care that we're on

1032
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: season two. I don't care that this is irrelevant to

1033
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: bring up. I know the initial shock of Baby Yoda

1034
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: has passed, and I know this is irrelevant, but it

1035
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: is true to me, and sometimes that's the most honest

1036
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: you can be. I'm authentic. Baby Yoda is so funny

1037
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: and cute, and I want to pick it up. And

1038
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm doing this right now, in the

1039
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: middle of this episode, of all episodes, I'm shouting on

1040
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: something that was lame a year ago, and yet I'm

1041
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: still doing it, and I believe it. Baby Yoda, it

1042
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: looks incredible. Are you guys watching this show? I would

1043
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: literally watch the show if it were just an hour

1044
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: of it moving in the wind. I love its ears

1045
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: and tear. I'm a psychopath. I hate myself. Good night.

1046
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: That's enough, listeners. I want to give a quick shout

1047
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: out to earlier, the moment when I brought the conversation

1048
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: to a screeching halt in order to make the point

1049
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: that the Blue Lives Matter flag look similar to the

1050
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: leather Pride flag. There was nothing that even reminded me

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Speaker 1: of that. I truly was just thinking about it earlier

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Speaker 1: and thought now is as good as time as any

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Speaker 1: to completely stopped any momentum we might have and completely

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Speaker 1: changed the topic. That's the kind of thing that you know,

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Speaker 1: a Lady Gaga would do, what Madonna would do. It's

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Speaker 1: a show stopping moment, and it is what the people

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Speaker 1: pay for. And I have no regrets, and I would

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Speaker 1: do it again. And in fact, the fact that I'm

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Speaker 1: even calling back to it right now is even more

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Speaker 1: radical in an exponential way. And so from here the

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Speaker 1: only way to go is up. Whoa wow, unhinged? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: oh what's up? Listeners? I want to shout out the

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Speaker 1: specific way that everyone's been behaving around queens Gambit lately,

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Speaker 1: and in this podcast, uh, in regards to Queen's Gambit,

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Speaker 1: everyone is acting I gets a groundbreaking TV show, when

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Speaker 1: in fact it's just pretty dang good. The girl plays

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Speaker 1: chess a lot and her energy is whack. She gets

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Speaker 1: adopted by a family where the dad is not present,

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Speaker 1: and the mom is incredibly drunk and extremely off footing,

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Speaker 1: and that way they're a fun couple, not the mom

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Speaker 1: and dad, the mom and the girl. I mean regarding

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Speaker 1: the end this podcast, you guys, I think it's been impeccable.

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Speaker 1: I think it's been really really, really powerful. And I

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Speaker 1: want to specifically call at the moment earlier where George

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Speaker 1: brought the podcast to a screeching halt to bring up

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Speaker 1: that the Blacks Matter flag looks like the leather flag.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was powerful. Thank you, guys, thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know. I'd also like to give a shout out

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Speaker 1: to the time when George brought the conversation to a

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Speaker 1: halt with that and I and I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: believing my co host to be, you know, a great podcaster.

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Speaker 1: I said, George, please tell me what reminded you of that,

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Speaker 1: and said, oh, nothing. Yeah. I found that moment to

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Speaker 1: be really groundbreaking. Sometimes you have to live laugh, love

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Speaker 1: and live out loud and go with your heart and

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Speaker 1: in in fact not sometimes always and some people are

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Speaker 1: you always? Yeah, some people meaning us in past episodes,

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Speaker 1: um in terms of the Queen's Gab, and I do

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Speaker 1: want to say past episode, past podcast guest Aaron Jackson

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Speaker 1: referred to it as Netflix good, HBO bad, and I

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Speaker 1: do think that's what it looks like to me. That's

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Speaker 1: an amazing way to put it. And I've also not

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Speaker 1: seen it, and too many I've missed the boat already.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's that's how I feel. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's already a meme. I can't watch something if it's

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Speaker 1: like if they're I've already saw jokes about it, seen

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Speaker 1: jokes about it, and I agree. Yeah. Well, well, Caleb,

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Speaker 1: I just want to, really, from the bottom of my heart, say,

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Speaker 1: I am so sorry, Caleb. I want to join George

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Speaker 1: in giving my deepest apologies for whatever this our plus

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Speaker 1: has been. Yeah, it's of having me. I'm sorry the

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Speaker 1: tech was weird, but I really appreciate you guys um

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Speaker 1: letting me talk on your podcast. H