WEBVTT - Real & Raw with TJ Houshmandzadeh 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:05.280 Ka boom. If you've thought more hours a day, minutes 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:09.120 a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.400 of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.440 treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.560 rich pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearing house of 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.360 hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:28.760 with Ben Maller starts right now in the air everywhere. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:35.040 We are back at it again on a Friday, Friday, Friday, 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.479 as the Fifth Hour takes no days off. Well that's 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.519 actually not true because the Fifth Hour, as you know, 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.000 it's only available Friday, Saturday and Sunday. But we have 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.479 the radio program every day of a week. We've got 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:50.600 some kind of audio content here, a spinoff of the 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:54.880 Ben Mallar Show, because four hours a night are not enough, 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.920 eight days a week, eight days a week. Joined by 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:05.000 the gentleman from West of the four oh five, David Gascott. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:12.120 I'm making you the room, the room. I'm here, I'm here, 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:17.960 I'm here. It's gonna be here, very exciting. It's better. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.400 You don't want that at all. We want well, I 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:27.000 typically I do not book boring guests. I book guests 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.399 that are you know, younger than fifty five, and uh 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.640 I have. I have booked Hall of famers, I booked 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.319 pro bowlers like the one we have on deck right now. Well, listen, 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.160 some of us were raised properly. We were raised not 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.399 west of the four oh five. We were raised to 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.800 respect legends and elders, and we look up to those 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:49.279 people and give them a voice. We don't just shoot 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:53.000 them away because they're past a certain age. We respect 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.720 the knowledge, the wisdom. And I want to get every 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:02.160 old NFL coach I can. In fact, my goal is 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:07.720 to get Jerry Glanville on this part. I am efforting 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.480 to track down Jerry Glanville just I don't even care 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.079 if we talk about anything other than his famous quote 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.320 the NFL not for long, make calls like that that is, 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.919 that's just that alone. And Jerry's Jerry's up there, so 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.520 I want to get him on. But Jim, Jim Morrow 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.640 was so good last week. I love Jim. Jim was great. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.560 I told this the story. I don't I did not 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:36.760 realize Jim had. You know, he's eighties six, and you know, guestcount, 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.000 I'm very bad. I think everyone's around my age. Give 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.079 or take a couple of years. Even children, I think 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.000 around my age like oh kids, I'm like, oh, it's 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.040 probably close to my age. I have no concept of age. 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.720 I just think I think everyone's around my my my 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.080 number and all that. But I was around Jim before. 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.760 Jim's always acted even when he worked at the company. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.239 You know, I knew him back in the day. Jim 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:02.320 Moore was always very related bowl young vibe and all that. 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.360 And then I reached out to him and I didn't 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:08.280 realize he still got it, and good for him. Good 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.840 for him. Another guy that's got it is our colleague. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.880 He hosts a radio show at f s R on 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:20.000 the weekends as a podcast as well. And you you 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:24.639 know him from his days with the Cincinnati Bengals back 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:29.680 in the day. T J. Hush Manzada, What a name, 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:33.120 What a name? He led the NFL, I tied for 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.480 the lead in the NFL and receptions back in oh seven. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.000 Played eight years as a white out in Cincinnati, and 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.360 that was the era where the Bengals were a playoff 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.200 team but then couldn't get over the the hump the 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.960 Marvin Lewis years. The first part of the Marvin Lewis 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:53.920 uh Era in Cincinnati and then went off and played 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:58.960 for Seattle and Baltimore finished up with the Oakland Raiders, 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.000 and he is now gonna spend some time I said. 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:06.000 He actually uh the show he does with LaVar Arrington 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.120 and Plexical Brook. We had Plexical on the podcast a 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.520 while back, and so they all get together. It's called 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:16.719 Up on Game. Up on Game is the name of that. 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.040 And so we welcome in t J hush Man, Zada 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.720 and t J the the broadcasting thing you've been I've 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.960 been doing it for a while now. And is this 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.800 as easy or is it harder than you you thought 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.200 it would be. I have not mastered it. Um listening 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.760 to guys like you and others picking up things that 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.039 you guys do, because obviously you've been doing it a 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.920 long time. It's not as easy as I thought it 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.480 would be when I initially got into it. Obviously reps 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.640 will make you better, but I enjoy it. I'm a 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:57.320 people person. Those that know me, no, I like to talk, 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.640 and so what better way to do it to talk 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.279 about something that I'm passionate about and I care about absolutely? 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.800 And was this your plan when you were playing back? 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:07.400 When you're in the NFL. Did you always have an 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.360 eye on doing some media stuff when you were done 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.760 or is this something that popped up that was not 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.080 in the plans. It wasn't in the plans. What happened 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:21.000 was while planning in Cincinnati, I had quite a few 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.960 reporters tell me that I should do this when I 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:29.919 was done playing. And so those reporters, thank you. Um, 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.560 they put it in my head. They started telling me 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.039 this early in my career. I wasn't even playing much, 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.560 but they always said I was a great interview. They 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.920 said I spoke well, and then I would always throw 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:42.880 this in. I'm like, man, I look good, so I'm 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:48.200 good for TV, right So uh yeah, it was the 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.799 media members in Cincinnati that, uh told me I should 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:53.760 look to get into it, and so I just took 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.120 their advice. And here we are. Look at that a career, 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:02.000 a career born right away. Uh we love it. And 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.120 now you've been out. You last played like ten years ago, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:05.920 so you've been out of the NFL for a while now, 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:10.240 and I believe my last year was twelve, So it's 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.880 a little less. Do you get like a gold watch 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.560 on your tent anniversary from from not playing in the 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.440 NFL after you've retired. I don't know how that we 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.640 do not, but that might be a hell of an idea. 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.279 I need to contact them and the NFL offices and uh, 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.960 everybody that played over a decade to get a ten 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:35.000 year gold Rolex. Yes, dropping a bucket. We need, we need, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.160 we need a petition to start that. I agree. Well, listen, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.200 you're part of the the Former Players Alumni Association, so 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.359 there's some some group that you guys are all part of, 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.279 so you can you can set that up. Absolutely. So 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.680 I read and I remember watching you play for the 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.200 band Goals back in the day at t J. But 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.039 I I read you grew up. I didn't know your 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.240 your whole story. You grew up in Barstow, right? Is 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.600 that right? And I have stopped at McDonald's at that 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.320 fake train station out in Barstow a million times on 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.960 my way to and from Las Vegas from from Ali. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:08.760 What was it like growing up there? Though? I mean 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.320 living there and and your youth and all that. It 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:16.120 was different that McDonald's. Man. Funny story. I used to 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.360 have a buddy that worked there and we would always 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.440 go into McDonald's and he would see us and try 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.280 to run to the back because he knew if he 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.960 didn't load our bag up with free Big Max and 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.600 quarter pounders and extra fries and apple pies, it was 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.160 gonna be a problem when he got off of work. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.880 We'd order one meal and we better walk out of 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.360 there with like seven meals. Yeah. I was just is 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.360 that like the spot J like in in Barstow? Is 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.320 that that's where everyone's passing through there? Now that's not 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.240 it's really bar stories just really don't to do. You know, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:56.720 everybody knows everybody obviously it's extremely hot. Um, but my 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:01.000 grandmother grew up in Texas and she relocated to Barstow. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:05.440 I don't know how that came about, um, but yeah, 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.840 it's nothing to do. So either you're gonna play sports 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.160 or you're gonna be in the streets. Yeah that's great. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.440 Well it's yeah, I know. I passed through there and 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.320 I'm like, wow, that's gonna be weird growing up there, 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.680 because there isn't when I do. When I drive through 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:23.760 there now, I literally say like, how did I live here? 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.960 Like I have no like when I go through there now, 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.400 I have no idea. But I thought it was fun 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.760 and so it just shows you if you're not exposed 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:37.800 too much. Whatever you're exposed to, you you think that's normal. Yeah? Absolutely? 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.880 And then I and you went to a j C. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.280 Right we're in Cerritos. I believe is that right in 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:46.040 my career? Correct? I didn't graduate from high school because 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:47.719 you know, like I said, you're in the sports or 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.840 in the streets, and I was the ladder, you're on 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:55.080 the streets. And so I, uh went Serrito's College and 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:00.720 started to take school and sports serious. Uh. After my 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:02.679 first year of coach talked to me and was just like, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.319 you're gonna go wherever you want to go. You need 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.560 to start focusing more on school. The football is gonna 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.240 take care of himself. And took his advice. I think 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.440 I do a good job of taking advice. Oh yeah, no, 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:16.920 So was that the moment you said, hey, wait a minute, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.040 I can actually, you know, go to college and make 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.360 some money doing this with the coach that told you, 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.120 did you have an inkling that you were pretty good 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:28.520 at football prior to that? Anybody that knows me sounds cocky. 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:30.360 I think I'm the best of everything. I don't think 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.640 nobody can beat me and anything, and so I've always 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:38.520 had that confidence and he just told me, you know 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.360 you're gonna do really well the first play. I was 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.160 a running back in high school. I played one year 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.480 my senior year in high school. That was the only 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.080 time I played football, but I was running back, And 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.320 so when I went three those college I was actually 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.920 third string at receiver. The starter broke his foot, the 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.679 backup got arrested. I was a starter and first played 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:01.840 the game my Bomb. Somebody for like a yr touchdown 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.080 first played the game to start the season and they 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:09.480 were like, oh, we got something. And after that I 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.880 just started taking it serious. Not not the football thing. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:14.560 It was always fun for me, and I think I 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.400 loved it because I started playing late that I wasn't 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.040 like a lot of kids that you started playing in 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.240 six or seven and you get tired of it. That 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.040 That wasn't the case for me. It was just being 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:32.679 proactive and making school a priority. TJ. What was like 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.640 when you think about playing days wise, like, what was 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.760 your best time playing ball? Was it in j C? 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:39.719 Was it at the D one level? Was it in 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:47.000 the NFL? Oh that's a good question. I I believe 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.199 the lower levels are always the best because it's pure. 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:59.400 It's not at least, it's never looked at as a business. Um, 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.920 you just have been fun playing football, obviously, going you 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:08.280 go to Oregon State, that's when you start to see, all, man, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:12.080 this guy's a top recruit. They probably want him to play, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:16.199 and you just start to see things. But I enjoyed 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.000 all of it, to be honest with you, Like I've 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.080 enjoyed my time in Cincinnati. The ship was so fun, man, 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:26.120 I really enjoyed it there. Um, I had never been 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.160 to the Midwest in my life. The first time I 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.920 got on an airplane was my recruiting trip, how to 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:36.680 Cerritos and I went to Rutgers, and so it was. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.600 I enjoyed all of it, But what was the best 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.160 time for me? All of it because it wasn't a 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:46.240 position I should have been in or people expected me 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.480 to be in, and I was in it. Do you 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.559 think guys are losing the innocence of playing the game 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.120 for fun now that the fact that college has instituted 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.160 the name image and like with likeness monetization for these guys, 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.240 I wouldn't say apt because a lot of those kids 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.760 that are getting those deals, those kids get their ask 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:10.880 kiss all through Pop Warner in high school like I was. 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:15.880 I was at a practice last night actually, um, and 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.000 it's a team called the O G Ducks out here 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:22.360 in California. They're probably the best fourteen and under football 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.559 team in the country. They're not probably, they are the best, 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:26.880 and they just so happened to be in southern California. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.360 I went out and talk to the kids and those 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.120 all of those kids are gonna go to the best 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.320 high schools out here. For the most part, I would 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.439 say seventy of them are going to be four to 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:44.800 five star recruits. So they're getting there behind kissed early, 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:50.160 and they're building up quote unquote there profiled and their 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.120 fan base, and so these kids are going into college 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:59.840 Wood close to a hundred thousand followers on social media 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.680 just off of where they are in high school and 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.080 people knowing who they are because they travel all across 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:10.640 the world, and so it changes. But the kids are 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.520 getting these deals, they think they're celebrities and now and 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.160 they're in high school. Yeah, but I guess because it 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.559 kind of goes full circle though. I mean, you get 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.680 the accolades, you get the recognition, But I guess part 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.559 of the ingredients of innocence, and you know this from 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.120 where he came is that you also develop a great 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.440 sense of grit and how you get your ass kicked 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:36.680 and then get up. Do you think there that's being lost? Man? 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.400 You know what's so funny? I told they asked that 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.800 last night. I told him pretty much. And I wouldn't 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.520 say verbatim give him or take some words. I pretty 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:52.240 much told him that last night. And yes, that's always 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:57.720 gonna when you're a good player. And we're just talking football. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.480 It can't be any sport m can, but they're gonna 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.480 kis your ass early if you show signs of being 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.720 a very good player. That's just the world we live in. 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.840 They're gonna cater to you. You can do no wrong. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:16.120 And I think that's bad for these kids because once 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.520 they face adversity, once they face that bumping the road, 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.520 they've been cowdled all the time because they've been good. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.320 Everybody's good when you get to a certain level, and 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.800 if you don't have that grit, like you said, it's over. 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.640 What about what Joe Burrow? I mean he obviously popped 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.240 on the scene at L s U and then goes 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:43.000 to Cincinnati UM and gets his knee torn up. What's 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.520 what's it? Like working with him and what kind of 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:50.880 dude is he behind the scenes. Number One, the way 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.440 he played against the Vikings in week one was fantastic. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.960 Sacked five times and so it wasn't like it cold 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.280 being clean. He was sacked five times in his first 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.920 game back from a knee injury. You know, My first 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.520 impression to Joe was like, he didn't speak too many 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.400 people when he got there, funk. He didn't speak to 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.760 me really initially, just hey, what's up? And so if 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.000 you I spent probably three and a half four months 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.080 because that was the year COVID happened, and we will 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.000 never forget. We're in the gym and he's like, all right, 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.560 I'm gone. I was like, all right, take care. We're 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.160 working out. He was like, yeah, I think I'm gonna 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.040 leave tonight or tomorrow because they're supposed to shut everything down, 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.120 no flights and on nothing. You know, nobody knew what 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.320 was going and had just started. But what I will 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:40.000 say is the first impression is the dude is confident. 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.440 He believes in him. Like t O say, I love 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.840 me some me. Joe loves him some him like he 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.240 loves himself, and he truly believes in himself, like you'll 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:54.040 think he's cocky, but he's just he just believes in himself, man, 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.520 And that's part of the reason he is who he 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.400 is as a player. Is that self belief and offindence 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.840 that he has. And anybody that's been around him, they 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.080 can attest it that he just has a self belief 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:12.400 and confidence about himself that it helps him. Obviously he's 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.480 a good football player, but yeah, it's the self belief 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.240 and confidence he has. That that's the first thing that 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.840 stood out to me. If all things were all things 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.840 were even in the a f C North, would he 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.120 be your top quarterback in that division right now? Given 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.280 the ages and experience or life they're other certain guys. 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:38.040 Oh you know what it's really on? What are we 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:43.080 judging quarterbacks on you watch? Is it wins and losses? 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.000 Is it the eye test? Is it the statue put up? 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:55.160 Or is it just what I see? And so it's uh, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:59.640 he asked potential to be the best. Let me say that, Lamar. 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.760 His record speaks for itself. You know, he he gets 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.520 a lot of backlash and this and that. But you 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.919 tell me, I don't know who you guys are fans of, 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.920 but I guarantee you would like Lamar to be your quarterback. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.520 Considering the record that he's had and in short time, 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:23.159 that division is tough, I would take Burrow over Baker. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:27.159 I mean, Baker had Baker's good. Baker can play, but 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.879 he has a hell of a team surrounding him. You 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.120 put Burrow under center with that group of guys offensively 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:37.719 and defensively, he does more in my opinion, and so 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.800 big Ben obviously being a the older statesman in the 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:45.600 division is being good for so long. But if me 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:51.160 being a wide receiver and wanting to win, um, I'm 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:56.480 going with Burrow. Yeah, t J. What are the skills? 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.840 All these guys get drafted because they typically have Buzuka 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.480 arms canyons for arms when they're draft at the very 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.800 top of the draft. But for me, it's always been 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.320 just watching football. The the guy that's accurate to me 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.800 is more important than the guy that can throw the 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.880 long ball. As a receiver. Though, when you were playing 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.000 in the NFL, what was the what was the skill 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.399 If you were if you were drafting a quarterback, you 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.639 could make the perfect quarterback. What would that quarterback have? 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.720 What would be the number one skill that quarterback that 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.240 would it be arm strength? Would be running ability? Would 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:34.600 it be accuracy? What would it be? Wow, running ability 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:39.639 would not be at the top of my list. Um, 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.720 do you want a guy that's smart? Do you want 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.520 a guy that can throw an anticipation? If you throw 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.359 an anticipation that that you're going to have accuracy because 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.920 you're you're you're anticipating the guy being open. And so 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:57.280 I want a guy that's tough. Can't be a punk 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.520 because you gotta be able to stare down that rush 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.320 without staring down that rush and keep your eyes down field. 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.200 And and I want a guy that's a leader that 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.560 other men can look to them and follow without feeling 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.200 like they're less than themselves because you're following another man. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.840 Some guys just have a natural ability to relate to everyone. 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.400 And so I don't think there is a perfect quarterback. 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:28.440 But but I will start with toughness and just ability 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.359 to relate to your teammates, because if I'm drafting you high, 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.119 the physical ability is there, I need. I need the 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.480 other things. How how weird is it teaching when you 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.679 go to do an NFL locker room and there's guys, 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.400 there's the quarterbacks that have had their ass kiss their 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:45.400 entire lives. A lot of those guys have blue ship 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.800 players go to big power schools in the Southeastern Conference. 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.080 And then there's other guys, uh much like yourself. Right, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:53.720 you had to go to a junior college. You didn't 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:55.879 graduate high school. You had to go and fight and 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.040 scratch and claw and all that, Like what's the what's 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.320 the melting pot like there? And I know you guys 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.320 all bust each other's balls and all that. That's part 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.960 of being in the locker room. But but how how 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.359 weird is the dynamic there in the NFL as opposed 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:14.080 to like college or obviously anywhere else you played. Oh 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.840 it's different. I mean you as you play and you 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.919 navigate through college and you start to get to the NFL. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.679 The quarterbacks are always favored. They wear a different jersey 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.000 and practice you can't touch the quarterback. In practice, you 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:33.119 can touch everybody else. We all were the same jersey 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.439 except for the quarterback. So you you get a picture 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:41.639 of the quarterback uh being quote unquote different early on 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:45.840 in your career. That that's just what it is. Um. 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:50.200 The media puts the quarterback on a pedestal because when 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:52.840 the quarterback and the team wins. Oh my god, the 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:56.680 quarterback had a great game. He did fantastic. Oh yes, 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.359 when they lose, he just doesn't have enough help. You 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.439 gotta surround him with guys that can help him, and 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:09.320 so they can't. They do no wrong because the media 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:12.600 will always make an excuse for him. Oh he just 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.680 the organization is not very good. The guys around him 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:21.600 aren't very good. And then when that changes, you don't say, oh, yeah, 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:23.560 he has a great team around him, like we're doing 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:25.960 with Baker. He has a great team around him. What 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.880 do you say? Oh, yeah, the quarterback just figured it out. Man. 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.240 You know, he went the offseason, he worked really hard. 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.200 Everything goes hand in hand. I think they get way 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.680 too much credit. They take way too much blame. But 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:43.159 quarterbacks nowadays are taught to be leaders. Quarterback nowadays, playing 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:46.080 seven on seven, they're coming into the league more ready 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.960 than ever. I've been saying this for years. Seven on 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.040 seven football has made these young quarterbacks come into the 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.359 league and they're ready to play. They don't have to 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.520 sit as much as they used to because they're throwing 0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:00.680 the ball so much. Coming up. Yeah, hey, teach you 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:02.280 one of the one I want to ask you this 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.520 because one of my pet peeves is the quarterbacks that 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.000 get sacked a ton. There's this perception that it's always 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:09.919 if the quarterbacks getting sacked, the ton is always the 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:13.680 offensive line's fault. And I've known from watching football and 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:16.800 you know, being around guys that play, that it's not. 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.199 It's a lot of the sacks are not because of 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:21.640 the quarterback, or it's not because of the offensive line. 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:25.959 Uh certain percentage because the quarterback made the wrong decision 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.080 or didn't get rid of the ball in time. So 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.080 but this always blame the offensive line and it's always 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.320 the offensive line's fault. That's not the case. Am I 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.560 correcting that? Or am I talking out of my TOOKU? 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.119 You're correct? I mean you can watch the game for 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:45.520 yourself and see. I'll give you two examples. I'll say 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:52.080 Russell Wilson and Ben Roethlisberger. They hold the ball, but 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.439 the majority of the time it works out for them. 0:22:55.640 --> 0:23:02.200 They create big plays. And so you're not gonna sing 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.200 the blues and cry when you lose, So you can't 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:09.960 always just grin when you win. Russell Wilson holds the ball, 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:12.639 he creates a big play. Nobody on that sideline is 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:14.080 gonna say, hey, Russ, we need to get rid of 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.160 that ball a little sooner. You know, the offensive line 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.199 had to hold up that protection for a while, but 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.000 when he gets sacked, it's hey, Russ, you need to 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:22.600