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Speaker 1: Ben Mallar Show, because four hours a night are not enough,
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Speaker 1: that are you know, younger than fifty five, and uh
Speaker 1: I have. I have booked Hall of famers, I booked
Speaker 1: pro bowlers like the one we have on deck right now. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: some of us were raised properly. We were raised not
Speaker 1: west of the four oh five. We were raised to
Speaker 1: respect legends and elders, and we look up to those
Speaker 1: people and give them a voice. We don't just shoot
Speaker 1: them away because they're past a certain age. We respect
Speaker 1: the knowledge, the wisdom. And I want to get every
Speaker 1: old NFL coach I can. In fact, my goal is
Speaker 1: to get Jerry Glanville on this part. I am efforting
Speaker 1: to track down Jerry Glanville just I don't even care
Speaker 1: if we talk about anything other than his famous quote
Speaker 1: the NFL not for long, make calls like that that is,
Speaker 1: that's just that alone. And Jerry's Jerry's up there, so
Speaker 1: I want to get him on. But Jim, Jim Morrow
Speaker 1: was so good last week. I love Jim. Jim was great.
Speaker 1: I told this the story. I don't I did not
Speaker 1: realize Jim had. You know, he's eighties six, and you know, guestcount,
Speaker 1: I'm very bad. I think everyone's around my age. Give
Speaker 1: or take a couple of years. Even children, I think
Speaker 1: around my age like oh kids, I'm like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: probably close to my age. I have no concept of age.
Speaker 1: I just think I think everyone's around my my my
Speaker 1: number and all that. But I was around Jim before.
Speaker 1: Jim's always acted even when he worked at the company.
Speaker 1: You know, I knew him back in the day. Jim
Speaker 1: Moore was always very related bowl young vibe and all that.
Speaker 1: And then I reached out to him and I didn't
Speaker 1: realize he still got it, and good for him. Good
Speaker 1: for him. Another guy that's got it is our colleague.
Speaker 1: He hosts a radio show at f s R on
Speaker 1: the weekends as a podcast as well. And you you
Speaker 1: know him from his days with the Cincinnati Bengals back
Speaker 1: in the day. T J. Hush Manzada, What a name,
Speaker 1: What a name? He led the NFL, I tied for
Speaker 1: the lead in the NFL and receptions back in oh seven.
Speaker 1: Played eight years as a white out in Cincinnati, and
Speaker 1: that was the era where the Bengals were a playoff
Speaker 1: team but then couldn't get over the the hump the
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis years. The first part of the Marvin Lewis
Speaker 1: uh Era in Cincinnati and then went off and played
Speaker 1: for Seattle and Baltimore finished up with the Oakland Raiders,
Speaker 1: and he is now gonna spend some time I said.
Speaker 1: He actually uh the show he does with LaVar Arrington
Speaker 1: and Plexical Brook. We had Plexical on the podcast a
Speaker 1: while back, and so they all get together. It's called
Speaker 1: Up on Game. Up on Game is the name of that.
Speaker 1: And so we welcome in t J hush Man, Zada
Speaker 1: and t J the the broadcasting thing you've been I've
Speaker 1: been doing it for a while now. And is this
Speaker 1: as easy or is it harder than you you thought
Speaker 1: it would be. I have not mastered it. Um listening
Speaker 1: to guys like you and others picking up things that
Speaker 1: you guys do, because obviously you've been doing it a
Speaker 1: long time. It's not as easy as I thought it
Speaker 1: would be when I initially got into it. Obviously reps
Speaker 1: will make you better, but I enjoy it. I'm a
Speaker 1: people person. Those that know me, no, I like to talk,
Speaker 1: and so what better way to do it to talk
Speaker 1: about something that I'm passionate about and I care about absolutely?
Speaker 1: And was this your plan when you were playing back?
Speaker 1: When you're in the NFL. Did you always have an
Speaker 1: eye on doing some media stuff when you were done
Speaker 1: or is this something that popped up that was not
Speaker 1: in the plans. It wasn't in the plans. What happened
Speaker 1: was while planning in Cincinnati, I had quite a few
Speaker 1: reporters tell me that I should do this when I
Speaker 1: was done playing. And so those reporters, thank you. Um,
Speaker 1: they put it in my head. They started telling me
Speaker 1: this early in my career. I wasn't even playing much,
Speaker 1: but they always said I was a great interview. They
Speaker 1: said I spoke well, and then I would always throw
Speaker 1: this in. I'm like, man, I look good, so I'm
Speaker 1: good for TV, right So uh yeah, it was the
Speaker 1: media members in Cincinnati that, uh told me I should
Speaker 1: look to get into it, and so I just took
Speaker 1: their advice. And here we are. Look at that a career,
Speaker 1: a career born right away. Uh we love it. And
Speaker 1: now you've been out. You last played like ten years ago,
Speaker 1: so you've been out of the NFL for a while now,
Speaker 1: and I believe my last year was twelve, So it's
Speaker 1: a little less. Do you get like a gold watch
Speaker 1: on your tent anniversary from from not playing in the
Speaker 1: NFL after you've retired. I don't know how that we
Speaker 1: do not, but that might be a hell of an idea.
Speaker 1: I need to contact them and the NFL offices and uh,
Speaker 1: everybody that played over a decade to get a ten
Speaker 1: year gold Rolex. Yes, dropping a bucket. We need, we need,
Speaker 1: we need a petition to start that. I agree. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: you're part of the the Former Players Alumni Association, so
Speaker 1: there's some some group that you guys are all part of,
Speaker 1: so you can you can set that up. Absolutely. So
Speaker 1: I read and I remember watching you play for the
Speaker 1: band Goals back in the day at t J. But
Speaker 1: I I read you grew up. I didn't know your
Speaker 1: your whole story. You grew up in Barstow, right? Is
Speaker 1: that right? And I have stopped at McDonald's at that
Speaker 1: fake train station out in Barstow a million times on
Speaker 1: my way to and from Las Vegas from from Ali.
Speaker 1: What was it like growing up there? Though? I mean
Speaker 1: living there and and your youth and all that. It
Speaker 1: was different that McDonald's. Man. Funny story. I used to
Speaker 1: have a buddy that worked there and we would always
Speaker 1: go into McDonald's and he would see us and try
Speaker 1: to run to the back because he knew if he
Speaker 1: didn't load our bag up with free Big Max and
Speaker 1: quarter pounders and extra fries and apple pies, it was
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem when he got off of work.
Speaker 1: We'd order one meal and we better walk out of
Speaker 1: there with like seven meals. Yeah. I was just is
Speaker 1: that like the spot J like in in Barstow? Is
Speaker 1: that that's where everyone's passing through there? Now that's not
Speaker 1: it's really bar stories just really don't to do. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody knows everybody obviously it's extremely hot. Um, but my
Speaker 1: grandmother grew up in Texas and she relocated to Barstow.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that came about, um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nothing to do. So either you're gonna play sports
Speaker 1: or you're gonna be in the streets. Yeah that's great.
Speaker 1: Well it's yeah, I know. I passed through there and
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that's gonna be weird growing up there,
Speaker 1: because there isn't when I do. When I drive through
Speaker 1: there now, I literally say like, how did I live here?
Speaker 1: Like I have no like when I go through there now,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. But I thought it was fun
Speaker 1: and so it just shows you if you're not exposed
Speaker 1: too much. Whatever you're exposed to, you you think that's normal. Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: And then I and you went to a j C.
Speaker 1: Right we're in Cerritos. I believe is that right in
Speaker 1: my career? Correct? I didn't graduate from high school because
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, you're in the sports or
Speaker 1: in the streets, and I was the ladder, you're on
Speaker 1: the streets. And so I, uh went Serrito's College and
Speaker 1: started to take school and sports serious. Uh. After my
Speaker 1: first year of coach talked to me and was just like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go wherever you want to go. You need
Speaker 1: to start focusing more on school. The football is gonna
Speaker 1: take care of himself. And took his advice. I think
Speaker 1: I do a good job of taking advice. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: So was that the moment you said, hey, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I can actually, you know, go to college and make
Speaker 1: some money doing this with the coach that told you,
Speaker 1: did you have an inkling that you were pretty good
Speaker 1: at football prior to that? Anybody that knows me sounds cocky.
Speaker 1: I think I'm the best of everything. I don't think
Speaker 1: nobody can beat me and anything, and so I've always
Speaker 1: had that confidence and he just told me, you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna do really well the first play. I was
Speaker 1: a running back in high school. I played one year
Speaker 1: my senior year in high school. That was the only
Speaker 1: time I played football, but I was running back, And
Speaker 1: so when I went three those college I was actually
Speaker 1: third string at receiver. The starter broke his foot, the
Speaker 1: backup got arrested. I was a starter and first played
Speaker 1: the game my Bomb. Somebody for like a yr touchdown
Speaker 1: first played the game to start the season and they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, we got something. And after that I
Speaker 1: just started taking it serious. Not not the football thing.
Speaker 1: It was always fun for me, and I think I
Speaker 1: loved it because I started playing late that I wasn't
Speaker 1: like a lot of kids that you started playing in
Speaker 1: six or seven and you get tired of it. That
Speaker 1: That wasn't the case for me. It was just being
Speaker 1: proactive and making school a priority. TJ. What was like
Speaker 1: when you think about playing days wise, like, what was
Speaker 1: your best time playing ball? Was it in j C?
Speaker 1: Was it at the D one level? Was it in
Speaker 1: the NFL? Oh that's a good question. I I believe
Speaker 1: the lower levels are always the best because it's pure.
Speaker 1: It's not at least, it's never looked at as a business. Um,
Speaker 1: you just have been fun playing football, obviously, going you
Speaker 1: go to Oregon State, that's when you start to see, all, man,
Speaker 1: this guy's a top recruit. They probably want him to play,
Speaker 1: and you just start to see things. But I enjoyed
Speaker 1: all of it, to be honest with you, Like I've
Speaker 1: enjoyed my time in Cincinnati. The ship was so fun, man,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it there. Um, I had never been
Speaker 1: to the Midwest in my life. The first time I
Speaker 1: got on an airplane was my recruiting trip, how to
Speaker 1: Cerritos and I went to Rutgers, and so it was.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed all of it, But what was the best
Speaker 1: time for me? All of it because it wasn't a
Speaker 1: position I should have been in or people expected me
Speaker 1: to be in, and I was in it. Do you
Speaker 1: think guys are losing the innocence of playing the game
Speaker 1: for fun now that the fact that college has instituted
Speaker 1: the name image and like with likeness monetization for these guys,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say apt because a lot of those kids
Speaker 1: that are getting those deals, those kids get their ask
Speaker 1: kiss all through Pop Warner in high school like I was.
Speaker 1: I was at a practice last night actually, um, and
Speaker 1: it's a team called the O G Ducks out here
Speaker 1: in California. They're probably the best fourteen and under football
Speaker 1: team in the country. They're not probably, they are the best,
Speaker 1: and they just so happened to be in southern California.
Speaker 1: I went out and talk to the kids and those
Speaker 1: all of those kids are gonna go to the best
Speaker 1: high schools out here. For the most part, I would
Speaker 1: say seventy of them are going to be four to
Speaker 1: five star recruits. So they're getting there behind kissed early,
Speaker 1: and they're building up quote unquote there profiled and their
Speaker 1: fan base, and so these kids are going into college
Speaker 1: Wood close to a hundred thousand followers on social media
Speaker 1: just off of where they are in high school and
Speaker 1: people knowing who they are because they travel all across
Speaker 1: the world, and so it changes. But the kids are
Speaker 1: getting these deals, they think they're celebrities and now and
Speaker 1: they're in high school. Yeah, but I guess because it
Speaker 1: kind of goes full circle though. I mean, you get
Speaker 1: the accolades, you get the recognition, But I guess part
Speaker 1: of the ingredients of innocence, and you know this from
Speaker 1: where he came is that you also develop a great
Speaker 1: sense of grit and how you get your ass kicked
Speaker 1: and then get up. Do you think there that's being lost? Man?
Speaker 1: You know what's so funny? I told they asked that
Speaker 1: last night. I told him pretty much. And I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say verbatim give him or take some words. I pretty
Speaker 1: much told him that last night. And yes, that's always
Speaker 1: gonna when you're a good player. And we're just talking football.
Speaker 1: It can't be any sport m can, but they're gonna
Speaker 1: kis your ass early if you show signs of being
Speaker 1: a very good player. That's just the world we live in.
Speaker 1: They're gonna cater to you. You can do no wrong.
Speaker 1: And I think that's bad for these kids because once
Speaker 1: they face adversity, once they face that bumping the road,
Speaker 1: they've been cowdled all the time because they've been good.
Speaker 1: Everybody's good when you get to a certain level, and
Speaker 1: if you don't have that grit, like you said, it's over.
Speaker 1: What about what Joe Burrow? I mean he obviously popped
Speaker 1: on the scene at L s U and then goes
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati UM and gets his knee torn up. What's
Speaker 1: what's it? Like working with him and what kind of
Speaker 1: dude is he behind the scenes. Number One, the way
Speaker 1: he played against the Vikings in week one was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Sacked five times and so it wasn't like it cold
Speaker 1: being clean. He was sacked five times in his first
Speaker 1: game back from a knee injury. You know, My first
Speaker 1: impression to Joe was like, he didn't speak too many
Speaker 1: people when he got there, funk. He didn't speak to
Speaker 1: me really initially, just hey, what's up? And so if
Speaker 1: you I spent probably three and a half four months
Speaker 1: because that was the year COVID happened, and we will
Speaker 1: never forget. We're in the gym and he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gone. I was like, all right, take care. We're
Speaker 1: working out. He was like, yeah, I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: leave tonight or tomorrow because they're supposed to shut everything down,
Speaker 1: no flights and on nothing. You know, nobody knew what
Speaker 1: was going and had just started. But what I will
Speaker 1: say is the first impression is the dude is confident.
Speaker 1: He believes in him. Like t O say, I love
Speaker 1: me some me. Joe loves him some him like he
Speaker 1: loves himself, and he truly believes in himself, like you'll
Speaker 1: think he's cocky, but he's just he just believes in himself, man,
Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason he is who he
Speaker 1: is as a player. Is that self belief and offindence
Speaker 1: that he has. And anybody that's been around him, they
Speaker 1: can attest it that he just has a self belief
Speaker 1: and confidence about himself that it helps him. Obviously he's
Speaker 1: a good football player, but yeah, it's the self belief
Speaker 1: and confidence he has. That that's the first thing that
Speaker 1: stood out to me. If all things were all things
Speaker 1: were even in the a f C North, would he
Speaker 1: be your top quarterback in that division right now? Given
Speaker 1: the ages and experience or life they're other certain guys.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what it's really on? What are we
Speaker 1: judging quarterbacks on you watch? Is it wins and losses?
Speaker 1: Is it the eye test? Is it the statue put up?
Speaker 1: Or is it just what I see? And so it's uh,
Speaker 1: he asked potential to be the best. Let me say that, Lamar.
Speaker 1: His record speaks for itself. You know, he he gets
Speaker 1: a lot of backlash and this and that. But you
Speaker 1: tell me, I don't know who you guys are fans of,
Speaker 1: but I guarantee you would like Lamar to be your quarterback.
Speaker 1: Considering the record that he's had and in short time,
Speaker 1: that division is tough, I would take Burrow over Baker.
Speaker 1: I mean, Baker had Baker's good. Baker can play, but
Speaker 1: he has a hell of a team surrounding him. You
Speaker 1: put Burrow under center with that group of guys offensively
Speaker 1: and defensively, he does more in my opinion, and so
Speaker 1: big Ben obviously being a the older statesman in the
Speaker 1: division is being good for so long. But if me
Speaker 1: being a wide receiver and wanting to win, um, I'm
Speaker 1: going with Burrow. Yeah, t J. What are the skills?
Speaker 1: All these guys get drafted because they typically have Buzuka
Speaker 1: arms canyons for arms when they're draft at the very
Speaker 1: top of the draft. But for me, it's always been
Speaker 1: just watching football. The the guy that's accurate to me
Speaker 1: is more important than the guy that can throw the
Speaker 1: long ball. As a receiver. Though, when you were playing
Speaker 1: in the NFL, what was the what was the skill
Speaker 1: If you were if you were drafting a quarterback, you
Speaker 1: could make the perfect quarterback. What would that quarterback have?
Speaker 1: What would be the number one skill that quarterback that
Speaker 1: would it be arm strength? Would be running ability? Would
Speaker 1: it be accuracy? What would it be? Wow, running ability
Speaker 1: would not be at the top of my list. Um,
Speaker 1: do you want a guy that's smart? Do you want
Speaker 1: a guy that can throw an anticipation? If you throw
Speaker 1: an anticipation that that you're going to have accuracy because
Speaker 1: you're you're you're anticipating the guy being open. And so
Speaker 1: I want a guy that's tough. Can't be a punk
Speaker 1: because you gotta be able to stare down that rush
Speaker 1: without staring down that rush and keep your eyes down field.
Speaker 1: And and I want a guy that's a leader that
Speaker 1: other men can look to them and follow without feeling
Speaker 1: like they're less than themselves because you're following another man.
Speaker 1: Some guys just have a natural ability to relate to everyone.
Speaker 1: And so I don't think there is a perfect quarterback.
Speaker 1: But but I will start with toughness and just ability
Speaker 1: to relate to your teammates, because if I'm drafting you high,
Speaker 1: the physical ability is there, I need. I need the
Speaker 1: other things. How how weird is it teaching when you
Speaker 1: go to do an NFL locker room and there's guys,
Speaker 1: there's the quarterbacks that have had their ass kiss their
Speaker 1: entire lives. A lot of those guys have blue ship
Speaker 1: players go to big power schools in the Southeastern Conference.
Speaker 1: And then there's other guys, uh much like yourself. Right,
Speaker 1: you had to go to a junior college. You didn't
Speaker 1: graduate high school. You had to go and fight and
Speaker 1: scratch and claw and all that, Like what's the what's
Speaker 1: the melting pot like there? And I know you guys
Speaker 1: all bust each other's balls and all that. That's part
Speaker 1: of being in the locker room. But but how how
Speaker 1: weird is the dynamic there in the NFL as opposed
Speaker 1: to like college or obviously anywhere else you played. Oh
Speaker 1: it's different. I mean you as you play and you
Speaker 1: navigate through college and you start to get to the NFL.
Speaker 1: The quarterbacks are always favored. They wear a different jersey
Speaker 1: and practice you can't touch the quarterback. In practice, you
Speaker 1: can touch everybody else. We all were the same jersey
Speaker 1: except for the quarterback. So you you get a picture
Speaker 1: of the quarterback uh being quote unquote different early on
Speaker 1: in your career. That that's just what it is. Um.
Speaker 1: The media puts the quarterback on a pedestal because when
Speaker 1: the quarterback and the team wins. Oh my god, the
Speaker 1: quarterback had a great game. He did fantastic. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: when they lose, he just doesn't have enough help. You
Speaker 1: gotta surround him with guys that can help him, and
Speaker 1: so they can't. They do no wrong because the media
Speaker 1: will always make an excuse for him. Oh he just
Speaker 1: the organization is not very good. The guys around him
Speaker 1: aren't very good. And then when that changes, you don't say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he has a great team around him, like we're doing
Speaker 1: with Baker. He has a great team around him. What
Speaker 1: do you say? Oh, yeah, the quarterback just figured it out. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, he went the offseason, he worked really hard.
Speaker 1: Everything goes hand in hand. I think they get way
Speaker 1: too much credit. They take way too much blame. But
Speaker 1: quarterbacks nowadays are taught to be leaders. Quarterback nowadays, playing
Speaker 1: seven on seven, they're coming into the league more ready
Speaker 1: than ever. I've been saying this for years. Seven on
Speaker 1: seven football has made these young quarterbacks come into the
Speaker 1: league and they're ready to play. They don't have to
Speaker 1: sit as much as they used to because they're throwing
Speaker 1: the ball so much. Coming up. Yeah, hey, teach you
Speaker 1: one of the one I want to ask you this
Speaker 1: because one of my pet peeves is the quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: get sacked a ton. There's this perception that it's always
Speaker 1: if the quarterbacks getting sacked, the ton is always the
Speaker 1: offensive line's fault. And I've known from watching football and
Speaker 1: you know, being around guys that play, that it's not.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of the sacks are not because of
Speaker 1: the quarterback, or it's not because of the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Uh certain percentage because the quarterback made the wrong decision
Speaker 1: or didn't get rid of the ball in time. So
Speaker 1: but this always blame the offensive line and it's always
Speaker 1: the offensive line's fault. That's not the case. Am I
Speaker 1: correcting that? Or am I talking out of my TOOKU?
Speaker 1: You're correct? I mean you can watch the game for
Speaker 1: yourself and see. I'll give you two examples. I'll say
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Ben Roethlisberger. They hold the ball, but
Speaker 1: the majority of the time it works out for them.
Speaker 1: They create big plays. And so you're not gonna sing
Speaker 1: the blues and cry when you lose, So you can't
Speaker 1: always just grin when you win. Russell Wilson holds the ball,
Speaker 1: he creates a big play. Nobody on that sideline is
Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, Russ, we need to get rid of
Speaker 1: that ball a little sooner. You know, the offensive line
Speaker 1: had to hold up that protection for a while, but
Speaker 1: when he gets sacked, it's hey, Russ, you need to
Speaker 1: get rid of the ball. You're holding onto it for
Speaker 1: so long. The quarterbacks hold onto that ball and they
Speaker 1: make it harder on offensive line. I don't mind it
Speaker 1: because you get you create big play. Sacks are a
Speaker 1: good stat but it doesn't tell the whole story of
Speaker 1: the game. If I give up a sack and the
Speaker 1: next down I can keep the ball as a quarterback
Speaker 1: for six or seven sexis and create a big play,
Speaker 1: it's worth it to me. Yeah. I actually we have
Speaker 1: you here, teacher. I think it's it's perfect. Were a
Speaker 1: few weeks away from the big as. We're talking in
Speaker 1: real time here, the big show down between the Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick coach Patriots and the Tom Brady Buccaneers. And this
Speaker 1: is one of the great barroom debates TJ among football observers.
Speaker 1: Was it the coach or was it the quarterback who
Speaker 1: gets more credit in that relationship? Belichick, that's easy for me.
Speaker 1: That's easy for me. But let me go back to
Speaker 1: the last question though. If you're putting instant pressure on
Speaker 1: the quarterback, that's the problem. But the guys that hold
Speaker 1: the ball that's the other thing. But now this is
Speaker 1: very easy for me. You can give me the best
Speaker 1: game plan in the world. If I can't execute it,
Speaker 1: is it the best game plan in the world. No chance,
Speaker 1: no chances. It's not put me in a position to
Speaker 1: succeed if I don't succeed, like who's faulted. Like Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick is a fantastic coach. I've never seen him put
Speaker 1: on a helmet. I've never seen him tackle anyone. I've
Speaker 1: never seen him make the play. I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: It's it's the player, it's Brady. And I've said this
Speaker 1: years ago. I was I said this years ago, it's Brady,
Speaker 1: and we saw that last year and so he had
Speaker 1: Cam newtona it's Brady. You look at his record without Brady,
Speaker 1: you look at his playoff record without Brady. It's self explanatory.
Speaker 1: And this is not taken away from Bill belisheck. Bill
Speaker 1: Blishick is a great coach. He's a great defensive coach.
Speaker 1: I believe had Brady not gone to the Patriots, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the Brady we know because I believe being
Speaker 1: on that team learning from Bill just about defensive football
Speaker 1: helped him a ton. But you still gotta go execute.
Speaker 1: You still gotta have that and hit Brady as smart.
Speaker 1: He understood hands what Bill was teaching. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that wouldn't get it. That's a talent within itself.
Speaker 1: If we got to give a percent, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: seventy Brady Belichick. That's just me. Yeah, yeah, Well and
Speaker 1: the other you know, I mean, teacher. You played for
Speaker 1: a few different coaches. You bounced around a little bit
Speaker 1: after you left the Bengals. If you had a terrible
Speaker 1: coach but you're a great player, would you be able
Speaker 1: to overcome that? No? No, And a good part of
Speaker 1: going from different teams that I did at the end
Speaker 1: of my career, you start to see who's terrible as coaches.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of terrible coaches. What makes you when
Speaker 1: I say that, people like I just looked like this,
Speaker 1: Like I just looked like this, Like I really understand
Speaker 1: the game of football every position, Like I really just
Speaker 1: look like this, and I'm just a receiver, but I
Speaker 1: can I understand protections like I'm alignment. I understand protections
Speaker 1: like I'm a course, I understand the game of football
Speaker 1: and its entirety every position. But you're not overcoming horrible coaching.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, Belichick is fantastic, and I've
Speaker 1: said that, but when I went to different teams, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, explain to you, well, what makes what are
Speaker 1: some of you know? I obviously you don't name people
Speaker 1: unless you want. You feel free to name people, But
Speaker 1: what makes something going like that? They still coaching? I
Speaker 1: don't want to get them in trouble, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: but give me an example of what would be a
Speaker 1: bad coaching for you that you saw. Okay, for instance,
Speaker 1: I'll just give you an example. For instance, like you
Speaker 1: install the play, and you install this play because you
Speaker 1: expect them to give you a certain coverage. So certain
Speaker 1: teams that I played on, we would say, if they
Speaker 1: play us too high, too high safety that can be
Speaker 1: covered to cover four, cover six, two man. You just
Speaker 1: know the look pre snap. You're in a quarterback on
Speaker 1: the same page, so we're gonna run the route like this,
Speaker 1: and these coverages got you, so you work on it.
Speaker 1: In practice. They give you different looks, so you're not confused.
Speaker 1: If you see single high, we're gonna run it this way?
Speaker 1: Got you. I went to teams and I'm like, so
Speaker 1: if they give us this courage, how do you want
Speaker 1: us run it? Just get open? I'm like, but if
Speaker 1: the quarterback needs to throw in anticipation, he means to
Speaker 1: know how I'm gonna run it. They literally would like,
Speaker 1: just get open, and I'm like, really, no adjustments. At
Speaker 1: half time you can see a team is doing this
Speaker 1: like it's just it's It was astonishing to me that
Speaker 1: they spend all this time watching film or the film
Speaker 1: watchings is watching them, and this is the game plan
Speaker 1: that they come up with. And as a player, a
Speaker 1: lot of times I said something and you can't do
Speaker 1: that because these coaches have friends and they start telling
Speaker 1: their friends all man tejs asshole, he thinks he knows everything.
Speaker 1: You don't want him on your team. That's what starts
Speaker 1: to happen. They start to batman of you to your friends,
Speaker 1: and so you think you're happing a teak by bringing
Speaker 1: this up. But they frowned upon it because they think
Speaker 1: you think I know more than you, which they probably
Speaker 1: they do know more to me, but certain cases, nah,
Speaker 1: and you've talked to any player, they all can give
Speaker 1: you these type of stories. Yeah, but TJ. In one
Speaker 1: sense too, I get the feeling. At least it seems
Speaker 1: like some of the most successful coaches or even the
Speaker 1: coordinators in the game. I mean, because you're it feels
Speaker 1: like for all intensive purposes, you run the same plays.
Speaker 1: But it's the combinations, it's the motion, it's the shifting
Speaker 1: pre snap that really throws these defenses off. Like, why
Speaker 1: are these coordinators, these coaches inability to adjust? Are they
Speaker 1: just pretty much runs the same Everybody does the same thing.
Speaker 1: What you call uh drive, I may call levels, what
Speaker 1: you call panther, I may call all lying. For the
Speaker 1: most parts, everybody does the same thing. This is the difference.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton has this, McVeigh has his, Shanahan has this,
Speaker 1: Andy Reid has this. I'm sure I'm leaving us some
Speaker 1: names off, but that's just off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: Is the ability to call the right play at the
Speaker 1: right time, because you have really scouted this team and
Speaker 1: their tendencies and what they like to do in certain
Speaker 1: situations down in distance parts of the field you're on.
Speaker 1: Those are the great play callers. Well, everybody has the
Speaker 1: same place. It's the ability to call the right play
Speaker 1: at the right time. Speaking of that, for all that
Speaker 1: he has accomplished during his career, do you think Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is becoming unlikable? Nah? Man, It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when people speak the truth, why is it frowned upon?
Speaker 1: He just told everyone how he felt. But because they
Speaker 1: got their ask kicked, it's a problem now, you know,
Speaker 1: And so no, I don't. He was just being honest,
Speaker 1: Like we all say, we want our athletes and these
Speaker 1: people to be honest. And when somebody's honest and then
Speaker 1: they perform and lose the way they do, it's like,
Speaker 1: is he becoming unlikable? No? I don't think so. He'll
Speaker 1: win and they'll win twelve or thirteen games this year.
Speaker 1: Week one will probably be forgotten about unless they get
Speaker 1: smoked in the playoffs. It's just he was honest. There
Speaker 1: are some things he didn't like. Um could he had
Speaker 1: handled quite a bit of it differently? Yeah, probably so.
Speaker 1: Had they won, nobody would say anything. But it's because
Speaker 1: they got their butts handed to him. They got crushed
Speaker 1: with a new quarterback starting for the Saints, that it's
Speaker 1: frowned upon. No, I don't think he's becoming unlikable. He
Speaker 1: was honest. He he said what he said and that's
Speaker 1: how he felt, and so I don't mind honesty at all. Well,
Speaker 1: he he's long in the tooth. And there's another guy
Speaker 1: that's well liked that Ben absolutely fucking hates, and that's
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. Um, Like, does he have m v P
Speaker 1: potential or does he have those flashes where he can
Speaker 1: get hot and get streaky? Right now? I mean, we'd
Speaker 1: have to say he has these flashes where he can
Speaker 1: get hot get streaky. But when when you look at it,
Speaker 1: it's similar to Baker. He has a team around him.
Speaker 1: And you got Hopkins and A J. Green. A J.
Speaker 1: Green can play animal straight up play a J. Green
Speaker 1: getting open. Oh, you also have Christian Kirk and you
Speaker 1: draft a rondal More. Offensive line should be better. Oh
Speaker 1: you got Chandler Jones and J. J. Watt, Isaiah Simmons
Speaker 1: and BUDDA Baker. Like they have a team. The Cardinals
Speaker 1: have a team surrounding Kyler Murray. He just has to
Speaker 1: get the ball to the right guys. What we talked
Speaker 1: about earlier, Kingsbury has to call the right play at
Speaker 1: the right time. Um, But he's shown us that he
Speaker 1: can get hot and streak. He hasn't shown us that
Speaker 1: he can get to that level yet. But in the
Speaker 1: game of football, he's still very young. Taj I read
Speaker 1: a read a story this week by Josh Allen of
Speaker 1: the Bills that he bars before games. That's his routine.
Speaker 1: And I've seen some other players that. No, this is
Speaker 1: a legitimate question. I've ever been in the locker room
Speaker 1: before a game you play in the NFL. What are
Speaker 1: some of the weirdest things guys did? I assume you
Speaker 1: had you played with teammates that would throw up before games,
Speaker 1: But what was some of the craziest things you remember
Speaker 1: from your playing days of guys to get set for
Speaker 1: a game, to get this is ready for a game,
Speaker 1: and this is post Lawrence Taylor and you I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get you one. And I'm not gonna say this guy's
Speaker 1: name because I think he's coaching right now. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know how it. Guys thrown before the game, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not that nervous. It's like it's a nervous anxiousness
Speaker 1: type of feeling, not not I'm throwing up, but I
Speaker 1: play with a guy. No lot of this true story
Speaker 1: and why he would do this. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Dude with pee on himself on the sideline and then
Speaker 1: squirt his pants with water so you couldn't really see.
Speaker 1: He would peel on himself on the sideline and squirt
Speaker 1: himself with water with the water bottle so nobody could
Speaker 1: tell what he was doing before every game. Every game, Well,
Speaker 1: teach you have I ain't gonna say his name, but
Speaker 1: he's a coach right now, and then natural football, we'll
Speaker 1: teach you. I have a guy that calls my overnight
Speaker 1: show and then this guy Doc Mike from Chicago, and
Speaker 1: uh he is he's a big believer and you're in therapy,
Speaker 1: which is uh. He like drink urine and stuff. He's
Speaker 1: into that kind of thing. But uh well, God bless him. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well so some would say maybe not, but make sure
Speaker 1: you never take a drink from his house unless the
Speaker 1: bottle has not been opened. He swears. But he sent
Speaker 1: me a bunch of books, like people have written books
Speaker 1: about that. It's wild. It's wild and crazy, dude. That's
Speaker 1: like je Manuel Marquez when he was fighting Mayweather Manny Pacia.
Speaker 1: He was taking all these vitamins. I'm a big boxing fan,
Speaker 1: and he said he'll drink his urine because why did
Speaker 1: he want to pee out all the nutrients that he
Speaker 1: had taken? So he would They showed it on TV
Speaker 1: like he would put it in a cup and drink it.
Speaker 1: No line, They were, yeah, I mean there's actually some
Speaker 1: people who I don't. I would rather not drink that
Speaker 1: and not get the benefits of that. That would be
Speaker 1: That would be bad. But your boxing guy, any celebrity
Speaker 1: boxing in your future, t J Any, this is a
Speaker 1: new thing. This is the new Michie here. Celebrities. Man,
Speaker 1: I think I do. I think I do fantastic, But
Speaker 1: I think the key words in there are I think,
Speaker 1: now you got t J. The American people need somebody
Speaker 1: to beat these Paul brothers. We need someone to go
Speaker 1: in there and slap these guys around. These these it
Speaker 1: seems like these fights are rigged the way these fights
Speaker 1: have been going for these guys, and somebody's gotta get
Speaker 1: in there and kick their tail. They're not fighting real boxers.
Speaker 1: As soon as they fight a real boxer, watch what happens.
Speaker 1: They're good for the sport. I love boxing, man Nay.
Speaker 1: The audience and the eyes they're bringing is great. They're
Speaker 1: making a ton of money. That's great for them and
Speaker 1: their families. But when they fight a real boxer, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem. They're fighting UFC guys. When they
Speaker 1: fight a real boy and Nate Robinson, you fight a
Speaker 1: real boxer that's your size, they're gonna be in trouble. Hey,
Speaker 1: t J. We gotta we gotta wrap this bad boy up.
Speaker 1: I thank you. Anything you want to prom mote, anything
Speaker 1: you got coming up that you want to yap about.
Speaker 1: Promote nothing, man, y'all promote your stuff. Man, it was
Speaker 1: just a pleasure. Oh, nothing to promote, man, I have
Speaker 1: not one thing to promote. No, it was just my pleasure,
Speaker 1: you know, coming on with y'all enjoyed it. Awesome. Thank you,
Speaker 1: t J. Appreciate it. Yeah, no worries day. Take care
Speaker 1: of brother, See your saturady. You be there Saturday. That's right,
Speaker 1: let's right, I'll be there a lot. I'm proud dude,
Speaker 1: see you Saturday. Man, make sure you get in the gym. Awesome.
Speaker 1: We'll tag you on this. It'll be up on it'll
Speaker 1: be up on Friday morning at six. So I got you, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: take care of my pleasure. Y'all stay safe. Yeah, thank you, Yes, sir,