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Speaker 1: Belichick is a fantastic coach. I've never seen him put

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Speaker 1: on a helmet. I've never seen him tackle anyone. I've

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Speaker 1: never seen him make the play. I've never seen it.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the player, it's Brady. And I've said this

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Speaker 1: years ago. I was I said this years ago, it's Brady,

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Speaker 1: and we saw that last year and so he had

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Speaker 1: Cam newtona it's Brady. You look at his record without Brady,

433
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Speaker 1: you look at his playoff record without Brady. It's self explanatory.

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Speaker 1: And this is not taken away from Bill belisheck. Bill

435
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Speaker 1: Blishick is a great coach. He's a great defensive coach.

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Speaker 1: I believe had Brady not gone to the Patriots, he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be the Brady we know because I believe being

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Speaker 1: on that team learning from Bill just about defensive football

439
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: helped him a ton. But you still gotta go execute.

440
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: You still gotta have that and hit Brady as smart.

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Speaker 1: He understood hands what Bill was teaching. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys that wouldn't get it. That's a talent within itself.

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Speaker 1: If we got to give a percent, I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: seventy Brady Belichick. That's just me. Yeah, yeah, Well and

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Speaker 1: the other you know, I mean, teacher. You played for

446
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Speaker 1: a few different coaches. You bounced around a little bit

447
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Speaker 1: after you left the Bengals. If you had a terrible

448
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Speaker 1: coach but you're a great player, would you be able

449
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Speaker 1: to overcome that? No? No, And a good part of

450
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Speaker 1: going from different teams that I did at the end

451
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Speaker 1: of my career, you start to see who's terrible as coaches.

452
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of terrible coaches. What makes you when

453
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Speaker 1: I say that, people like I just looked like this,

454
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Speaker 1: Like I just looked like this, Like I really understand

455
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Speaker 1: the game of football every position, Like I really just

456
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Speaker 1: look like this, and I'm just a receiver, but I

457
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Speaker 1: can I understand protections like I'm alignment. I understand protections

458
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Speaker 1: like I'm a course, I understand the game of football

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Speaker 1: and its entirety every position. But you're not overcoming horrible coaching.

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Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, Belichick is fantastic, and I've

461
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Speaker 1: said that, but when I went to different teams, Oh

462
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Speaker 1: my god, explain to you, well, what makes what are

463
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Speaker 1: some of you know? I obviously you don't name people

464
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Speaker 1: unless you want. You feel free to name people, But

465
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Speaker 1: what makes something going like that? They still coaching? I

466
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Speaker 1: don't want to get them in trouble, all right, all right,

467
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Speaker 1: but give me an example of what would be a

468
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Speaker 1: bad coaching for you that you saw. Okay, for instance,

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Speaker 1: I'll just give you an example. For instance, like you

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Speaker 1: install the play, and you install this play because you

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Speaker 1: expect them to give you a certain coverage. So certain

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Speaker 1: teams that I played on, we would say, if they

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Speaker 1: play us too high, too high safety that can be

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Speaker 1: covered to cover four, cover six, two man. You just

475
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Speaker 1: know the look pre snap. You're in a quarterback on

476
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Speaker 1: the same page, so we're gonna run the route like this,

477
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Speaker 1: and these coverages got you, so you work on it.

478
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Speaker 1: In practice. They give you different looks, so you're not confused.

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Speaker 1: If you see single high, we're gonna run it this way?

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Speaker 1: Got you. I went to teams and I'm like, so

481
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Speaker 1: if they give us this courage, how do you want

482
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Speaker 1: us run it? Just get open? I'm like, but if

483
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Speaker 1: the quarterback needs to throw in anticipation, he means to

484
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Speaker 1: know how I'm gonna run it. They literally would like,

485
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Speaker 1: just get open, and I'm like, really, no adjustments. At

486
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Speaker 1: half time you can see a team is doing this

487
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Speaker 1: like it's just it's It was astonishing to me that

488
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Speaker 1: they spend all this time watching film or the film

489
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Speaker 1: watchings is watching them, and this is the game plan

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Speaker 1: that they come up with. And as a player, a

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Speaker 1: lot of times I said something and you can't do

492
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Speaker 1: that because these coaches have friends and they start telling

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Speaker 1: their friends all man tejs asshole, he thinks he knows everything.

494
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Speaker 1: You don't want him on your team. That's what starts

495
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Speaker 1: to happen. They start to batman of you to your friends,

496
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Speaker 1: and so you think you're happing a teak by bringing

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Speaker 1: this up. But they frowned upon it because they think

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Speaker 1: you think I know more than you, which they probably

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Speaker 1: they do know more to me, but certain cases, nah,

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Speaker 1: and you've talked to any player, they all can give

501
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: you these type of stories. Yeah, but TJ. In one

502
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Speaker 1: sense too, I get the feeling. At least it seems

503
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Speaker 1: like some of the most successful coaches or even the

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Speaker 1: coordinators in the game. I mean, because you're it feels

505
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Speaker 1: like for all intensive purposes, you run the same plays.

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Speaker 1: But it's the combinations, it's the motion, it's the shifting

507
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Speaker 1: pre snap that really throws these defenses off. Like, why

508
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Speaker 1: are these coordinators, these coaches inability to adjust? Are they

509
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Speaker 1: just pretty much runs the same Everybody does the same thing.

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Speaker 1: What you call uh drive, I may call levels, what

511
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Speaker 1: you call panther, I may call all lying. For the

512
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Speaker 1: most parts, everybody does the same thing. This is the difference.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton has this, McVeigh has his, Shanahan has this,

514
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Speaker 1: Andy Reid has this. I'm sure I'm leaving us some

515
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Speaker 1: names off, but that's just off the top of my head.

516
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Speaker 1: Is the ability to call the right play at the

517
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Speaker 1: right time, because you have really scouted this team and

518
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Speaker 1: their tendencies and what they like to do in certain

519
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Speaker 1: situations down in distance parts of the field you're on.

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Speaker 1: Those are the great play callers. Well, everybody has the

521
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Speaker 1: same place. It's the ability to call the right play

522
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Speaker 1: at the right time. Speaking of that, for all that

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Speaker 1: he has accomplished during his career, do you think Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers is becoming unlikable? Nah? Man, It's like, you know,

525
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Speaker 1: when people speak the truth, why is it frowned upon?

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Speaker 1: He just told everyone how he felt. But because they

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Speaker 1: got their ask kicked, it's a problem now, you know,

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Speaker 1: And so no, I don't. He was just being honest,

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Speaker 1: Like we all say, we want our athletes and these

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Speaker 1: people to be honest. And when somebody's honest and then

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Speaker 1: they perform and lose the way they do, it's like,

532
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Speaker 1: is he becoming unlikable? No? I don't think so. He'll

533
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Speaker 1: win and they'll win twelve or thirteen games this year.

534
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: Week one will probably be forgotten about unless they get

535
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: smoked in the playoffs. It's just he was honest. There

536
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: are some things he didn't like. Um could he had

537
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Speaker 1: handled quite a bit of it differently? Yeah, probably so.

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Speaker 1: Had they won, nobody would say anything. But it's because

539
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: they got their butts handed to him. They got crushed

540
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Speaker 1: with a new quarterback starting for the Saints, that it's

541
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Speaker 1: frowned upon. No, I don't think he's becoming unlikable. He

542
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: was honest. He he said what he said and that's

543
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Speaker 1: how he felt, and so I don't mind honesty at all. Well,

544
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: he he's long in the tooth. And there's another guy

545
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Speaker 1: that's well liked that Ben absolutely fucking hates, and that's

546
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. Um, Like, does he have m v P

547
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Speaker 1: potential or does he have those flashes where he can

548
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Speaker 1: get hot and get streaky? Right now? I mean, we'd

549
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Speaker 1: have to say he has these flashes where he can

550
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Speaker 1: get hot get streaky. But when when you look at it,

551
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: it's similar to Baker. He has a team around him.

552
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: And you got Hopkins and A J. Green. A J.

553
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Speaker 1: Green can play animal straight up play a J. Green

554
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Speaker 1: getting open. Oh, you also have Christian Kirk and you

555
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Speaker 1: draft a rondal More. Offensive line should be better. Oh

556
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Speaker 1: you got Chandler Jones and J. J. Watt, Isaiah Simmons

557
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: and BUDDA Baker. Like they have a team. The Cardinals

558
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: have a team surrounding Kyler Murray. He just has to

559
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Speaker 1: get the ball to the right guys. What we talked

560
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Speaker 1: about earlier, Kingsbury has to call the right play at

561
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Speaker 1: the right time. Um, But he's shown us that he

562
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Speaker 1: can get hot and streak. He hasn't shown us that

563
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: he can get to that level yet. But in the

564
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: game of football, he's still very young. Taj I read

565
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: a read a story this week by Josh Allen of

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00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: the Bills that he bars before games. That's his routine.

567
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Speaker 1: And I've seen some other players that. No, this is

568
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Speaker 1: a legitimate question. I've ever been in the locker room

569
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Speaker 1: before a game you play in the NFL. What are

570
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Speaker 1: some of the weirdest things guys did? I assume you

571
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Speaker 1: had you played with teammates that would throw up before games,

572
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Speaker 1: But what was some of the craziest things you remember

573
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Speaker 1: from your playing days of guys to get set for

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Speaker 1: a game, to get this is ready for a game,

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Speaker 1: and this is post Lawrence Taylor and you I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get you one. And I'm not gonna say this guy's

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Speaker 1: name because I think he's coaching right now. Um, I

578
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: don't know how it. Guys thrown before the game, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not that nervous. It's like it's a nervous anxiousness

580
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: type of feeling, not not I'm throwing up, but I

581
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Speaker 1: play with a guy. No lot of this true story

582
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Speaker 1: and why he would do this. I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Dude with pee on himself on the sideline and then

584
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: squirt his pants with water so you couldn't really see.

585
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: He would peel on himself on the sideline and squirt

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Speaker 1: himself with water with the water bottle so nobody could

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Speaker 1: tell what he was doing before every game. Every game, Well,

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Speaker 1: teach you have I ain't gonna say his name, but

589
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: he's a coach right now, and then natural football, we'll

590
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: teach you. I have a guy that calls my overnight

591
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: show and then this guy Doc Mike from Chicago, and

592
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: uh he is he's a big believer and you're in therapy,

593
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Speaker 1: which is uh. He like drink urine and stuff. He's

594
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: into that kind of thing. But uh well, God bless him. Yeah. Yeah,

595
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: well so some would say maybe not, but make sure

596
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Speaker 1: you never take a drink from his house unless the

597
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: bottle has not been opened. He swears. But he sent

598
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Speaker 1: me a bunch of books, like people have written books

599
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: about that. It's wild. It's wild and crazy, dude. That's

600
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: like je Manuel Marquez when he was fighting Mayweather Manny Pacia.

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Speaker 1: He was taking all these vitamins. I'm a big boxing fan,

602
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Speaker 1: and he said he'll drink his urine because why did

603
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Speaker 1: he want to pee out all the nutrients that he

604
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: had taken? So he would They showed it on TV

605
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: like he would put it in a cup and drink it.

606
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Speaker 1: No line, They were, yeah, I mean there's actually some

607
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Speaker 1: people who I don't. I would rather not drink that

608
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Speaker 1: and not get the benefits of that. That would be

609
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: That would be bad. But your boxing guy, any celebrity

610
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Speaker 1: boxing in your future, t J Any, this is a

611
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: new thing. This is the new Michie here. Celebrities. Man,

612
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Speaker 1: I think I do. I think I do fantastic, But

613
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 1: I think the key words in there are I think,

614
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: now you got t J. The American people need somebody

615
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: to beat these Paul brothers. We need someone to go

616
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: in there and slap these guys around. These these it

617
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: seems like these fights are rigged the way these fights

618
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: have been going for these guys, and somebody's gotta get

619
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: in there and kick their tail. They're not fighting real boxers.

620
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: As soon as they fight a real boxer, watch what happens.

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Speaker 1: They're good for the sport. I love boxing, man Nay.

622
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: The audience and the eyes they're bringing is great. They're

623
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Speaker 1: making a ton of money. That's great for them and

624
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: their families. But when they fight a real boxer, it's

625
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem. They're fighting UFC guys. When they

626
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: fight a real boy and Nate Robinson, you fight a

627
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: real boxer that's your size, they're gonna be in trouble. Hey,

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Speaker 1: t J. We gotta we gotta wrap this bad boy up.

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Speaker 1: I thank you. Anything you want to prom mote, anything

630
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: you got coming up that you want to yap about.

631
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Speaker 1: Promote nothing, man, y'all promote your stuff. Man, it was

632
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: just a pleasure. Oh, nothing to promote, man, I have

633
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Speaker 1: not one thing to promote. No, it was just my pleasure,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming on with y'all enjoyed it. Awesome. Thank you,

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00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: t J. Appreciate it. Yeah, no worries day. Take care

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Speaker 1: of brother, See your saturady. You be there Saturday. That's right,

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Speaker 1: let's right, I'll be there a lot. I'm proud dude,

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Speaker 1: see you Saturday. Man, make sure you get in the gym. Awesome.

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Speaker 1: We'll tag you on this. It'll be up on it'll

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Speaker 1: be up on Friday morning at six. So I got you, man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: take care of my pleasure. Y'all stay safe. Yeah, thank you, Yes, sir,