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Speaker 1: have a lot to talk about today. So before we
Speaker 1: get into the Giants defense, wanted to hit up on
Speaker 1: the practice report. A few guys that showed up on there,
Speaker 1: the Marcus Lawrence being one of them, did not practice
Speaker 1: with a groin injury. As far as I know, this
Speaker 1: is nothing to be concerned about, right, do you guys
Speaker 1: know anything else? Further from that, it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: a big deal. He was out on the field just now.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much he's gonna do. But um,
Speaker 1: I don't get the impression this is a super big deal. Now,
Speaker 1: Dak he practiced in full but did show up on
Speaker 1: the injury report with an ankle and people so you
Speaker 1: saw that on Twitter and started going crazy, at least
Speaker 1: on my timeline, you know already freaking out. What's gonna
Speaker 1: happen if Dak is not ready? Who steps in? What's cheering?
Speaker 1: It was a mixture of both. But I think I
Speaker 1: think the fact that he has um like a rap
Speaker 1: on his ankle and he's in the locker room and
Speaker 1: people see that, and then you know what's the issue,
Speaker 1: and he's still practiced with it. He's got something going
Speaker 1: on that he needed to get it wrapped. I think
Speaker 1: he's fine. Yeah. I feel like he's he's wrapped that
Speaker 1: thing a few times, like going back to training camp.
Speaker 1: Stop funny stop, I mean Knox and bruises of football season.
Speaker 1: He's fine. Yeah. Now, Randy Gregory, Xavier Woods, they are
Speaker 1: still unable to practice, so it's still a pending status
Speaker 1: for them, so injury rapport as of right now, it
Speaker 1: looks pretty okay. Right. Can I just kind of just
Speaker 1: say this though, I mean, and you kind of intimated
Speaker 1: this earlier this week when you're talking about Randy Gregory, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, we've heard this before where players like I'm good,
Speaker 1: like no, I'm I'm good, and they tweet I'm good.
Speaker 1: But that protocol is still the protocol. And the fact
Speaker 1: that he's not practicing, if he's not practicing today, that's
Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: we've seen it happen before where guy thought he was
Speaker 1: good and he missed six weeks. Like those concussions are.
Speaker 1: There's it's a different world than what it was even
Speaker 1: five years ago when it comes to concussions in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And I wonder to him, and I wonder they have
Speaker 1: got eight defensive linemen right on the on the team.
Speaker 1: Funny that you say that because Dayton Jones was at
Speaker 1: practice today. I don't know what he's gonna do. They
Speaker 1: don't let us watch that. But he was out there
Speaker 1: stretching and warming up, and he was feeling himself too,
Speaker 1: Like he was kind of dancing to the music. And
Speaker 1: I'm probably excited he was his injury to stop. Uh
Speaker 1: what was his Seriously, it's a song, dude, I think
Speaker 1: it was his growing right. Yeah, So I mean it's
Speaker 1: you know, him being in stretch line does not mean
Speaker 1: he's going to play, but he's that's closer, working working back,
Speaker 1: so we'll see so and that's defensive tackle position. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's your Crawford slides back to end. Maybe. I mean
Speaker 1: they mixed these guys I know so much, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, but that's that's probably what they would do there.
Speaker 1: If Gregory is inactive and Daytone can play, then Crawford
Speaker 1: will play more in and they could also go with
Speaker 1: three defensive end three three defensive end rotation, right, they
Speaker 1: don't have to have four, No, I have to But
Speaker 1: that sounds scary, does it. Yeah? Seven guys, they're indoors
Speaker 1: and not gonna open the roof. We're not doing that again.
Speaker 1: Oh no, No, Moving on from that, I just talk
Speaker 1: on Crawford real quick. He I mean, obviously he's always
Speaker 1: been a guy that can rotate and moved from place
Speaker 1: to place and all that. But we've seen or talked
Speaker 1: about him kind of settling maybe more at the tackle
Speaker 1: position and him working on the whole weight thing. And
Speaker 1: that was a big thing this offseason where I heard
Speaker 1: him talk about that so much, about you know, getting
Speaker 1: the right weight and all that stuff. Now, are you
Speaker 1: guys still like okay with the whole movement happening there
Speaker 1: or would you rather just kind of figure these eyes,
Speaker 1: get this guy's out and keep them or try to
Speaker 1: keep them at a specific spot. Um. I think that's
Speaker 1: the player would like to be at one spot, probably,
Speaker 1: but you know, the flexibility of the position is good
Speaker 1: for the team, you know, to have a guy that
Speaker 1: can do that. I think Randy Gregory is the reason
Speaker 1: why Crawford went inside is because you know, they weren't
Speaker 1: expecting him to do what he's doing, and maybe they
Speaker 1: didn't expect Dorn's armstrong to be at that level either,
Speaker 1: So it just made more sense with all the issues
Speaker 1: that you had at tackle. But to answer your question,
Speaker 1: I think he got his body weight to the point
Speaker 1: to play defensive end and now he's an undersized tackle
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be that way. I mean, we can
Speaker 1: talk about it too the blue in the face. After
Speaker 1: a while, you just start to have to realize that
Speaker 1: that's what that's their plan for Tyrone Crawford. They see
Speaker 1: him as a hybrid player that they can move to
Speaker 1: wherever they need him, and that's just the way and
Speaker 1: he even said I heard him talking about it in
Speaker 1: an interview last week. He was like, you know, at
Speaker 1: some point, it's just sounded like you. And then the
Speaker 1: question was asked him, would you like to be in
Speaker 1: one place? He's like, well, yeah, probably, But he said,
Speaker 1: also the fact matter is I'm a versatile player and
Speaker 1: that's helped me have a career, and so I want
Speaker 1: my coaches to be able to look at me and say,
Speaker 1: I can they can put me wherever, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be able to play it. And so that's the way
Speaker 1: he has to look at it. So he's probably gonna
Speaker 1: have to find at some point, if he's smart, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to find a weight that's kind of in
Speaker 1: between that gives him the flexibility to play either one,
Speaker 1: because as we've seen here already, every year, it can
Speaker 1: be a different one based upon what they need. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate it, that's his value. I hate it for Tyrone,
Speaker 1: but that's life. And yeah, I mean there's worse things
Speaker 1: than not having a permanent job on one position. You
Speaker 1: could not have a job at all. So honestly, that
Speaker 1: might be the reason why he makes the value. Like
Speaker 1: people talk about, he doesn't have the sacks for the
Speaker 1: money that he's being paid, but for the versatility. Might
Speaker 1: be worth it to pay that kind of premium because
Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of guys that can play both
Speaker 1: those positions and jump between the two because there is
Speaker 1: a size of difference. I think the world of Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford as a guy, and I think he's better than
Speaker 1: he gets credit for. But I'm not buying that. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think they would do that deal
Speaker 1: again if they could go back in time. But because
Speaker 1: you really think they got the production they expected, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But how do they expect great production from a guy
Speaker 1: to keep moving back and forth? Well, if he was
Speaker 1: as great as they were expecting him to be at
Speaker 1: three Technique, he wouldn't be moving back and forth. He
Speaker 1: would be They'd be like, Yeah, he's our three Technique,
Speaker 1: He's the guy that makes the whole show run. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's why they did that. They were trying to
Speaker 1: get ahead and hope that they struck big Kauwan Short.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's why you pay that kind of money,
Speaker 1: and which ironically Kawan Shorts deal is for twice as
Speaker 1: much as what Tyrone got up, saying, I don't think,
Speaker 1: which is that's why like people talk about it like
Speaker 1: it's this terrible thing, like it's not that bad because
Speaker 1: the cap keeps going up, guys keep out performing that
Speaker 1: like he's not even close to being the most expensive
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in football, which so I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: a great deal, but it's not this team crippling problem
Speaker 1: that some people want to make it out. When you
Speaker 1: go back and you think about which position has been
Speaker 1: hit the hardest and come in terms of suspension, I
Speaker 1: mean every year it's Irving for four or d Law
Speaker 1: for four or Gregory for four, sixteen, twelve and four
Speaker 1: or whatever he's got. And I mean he was four, ten,
Speaker 1: then sixteen, okay, yeah, and then who knows if he's
Speaker 1: done or not. I mean, and all and all that time,
Speaker 1: and I mean not even that greg Hardy for six.
Speaker 1: I mean, but through that whole time, Crawford's been playing
Speaker 1: tackle and he's in and he's moving here, and so
Speaker 1: I mean give him credit for that. And that's I
Speaker 1: guess that's the point of what I'm saying, is why
Speaker 1: I'm not so against the idea of the amount of
Speaker 1: money that they're paying him, because he does have that
Speaker 1: kind of versatility in an area where they've had so
Speaker 1: much just turnover and these guys in and out. You know,
Speaker 1: I really to be You don't hear a lot of
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the first time we've talked about
Speaker 1: it in a while. Like I don't You don't hear
Speaker 1: a lot of people trying to get rid of him,
Speaker 1: you know, the like Brandon Carr was the famous one. Like,
Speaker 1: he's pretty good at his job, he's versatile, and the
Speaker 1: money's nowhere near as bad as some people make it
Speaker 1: out to be. So it's fine. He's one of those
Speaker 1: glue kind of guys. Absolutely, he's good for the group.
Speaker 1: He's good for the room, he's good for your team.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be your best player, but he's
Speaker 1: a good, solid player. But again that's the thing when
Speaker 1: I think when you have players that are flexible to
Speaker 1: have that position flex usually they're not gonna be great.
Speaker 1: So one of the things, like with Tyrone, he is good.
Speaker 1: He can get the job done in whether you like
Speaker 1: it or not. You need those kinds of guys. And
Speaker 1: the whole money thing. I don't mind to pay him.
Speaker 1: He does a good enough job for us to keep it.
Speaker 1: And especially because of the position flex and the quality. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be a Hall of fame. When
Speaker 1: you have some dogs out there like Tank Lawrence that
Speaker 1: you put with him not makes it even better. You
Speaker 1: need those kind of solid guys when you have some
Speaker 1: really good players that you pair with him, and it's
Speaker 1: something to watch. I really I'd be pretty surprised if
Speaker 1: Daytona Jones can play two days after returning to practice,
Speaker 1: and if Randy can't go. Yeah, I would probably play
Speaker 1: Tyrone at end and then let Daniel Ross and Antoine
Speaker 1: Woods figure it out. Next to Malie Collins would be
Speaker 1: my guess we're gonna say. I was talking about Crawford.
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure that he's in the
Speaker 1: best scheme for him. You know, he's in I think so.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, for a guy that's kind of
Speaker 1: a tweeter back and forth, I think he'd be a
Speaker 1: three four defensive end and um, I think he'd be
Speaker 1: a really good one. Um, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you keep making that argument that
Speaker 1: they have the personnel close to the personnel that they
Speaker 1: would need to Actually, he was drafted by the Cowboys
Speaker 1: when Rob Ryan was the drafted to be a three
Speaker 1: four guy. Yeah, and um so it was Kyle but yeah,
Speaker 1: but but for some reason that didn't know, that didn't
Speaker 1: work out for him. He was better in the four three.
Speaker 1: But I think now is is he's gotten a little
Speaker 1: bit bigger and quicker. I think I think he's still
Speaker 1: three four. Yeah, I think this team's got three four personnel.
Speaker 1: They ever went that way, I think they could. I
Speaker 1: mean with talk about three four defense, we're going to
Speaker 1: get into that a little bit. You've been used to
Speaker 1: seeing the Giants in four three. That's gonna be weird
Speaker 1: to watch, I think because you've been so used to
Speaker 1: them having those dominant front four you know, yeah, rushers,
Speaker 1: and now there are three four defense was you're gonna
Speaker 1: look very different. I think I didn't know any of
Speaker 1: their guys on defense. Yeah, man, I looked at their
Speaker 1: depth chart. I was like, I don't know any of
Speaker 1: these guys. It's yeah, it's it's a it's a different secondary,
Speaker 1: and the secondary is pretty good. Yeah. Not another story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we'll get into it. But before the inverse of
Speaker 1: last week, before we move into that and we go
Speaker 1: and break and all that, I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: Connor Williams. You oc and I know you wrote a
Speaker 1: story and people I see people constantly asking about him
Speaker 1: and whether he's good enough at the guard position, whether
Speaker 1: he should move to tackle, blah blah blah. Now, one
Speaker 1: of the things that I think we've all seen since
Speaker 1: he's gotten here is his power. That he needs to
Speaker 1: work on his strength. Okay, yeah, that's gonna say. No.
Speaker 1: When you say we've seen his power, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: have we? But do you say yeah? He's like, so,
Speaker 1: this is one of the things that I don't know
Speaker 1: how much time you really need to get that strength
Speaker 1: up to where you need it, but we'll see it.
Speaker 1: But you got a chance to talk to him, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to see his perspective on this issue. What
Speaker 1: I wanted to I thought you were going to go
Speaker 1: full a g right there and just be like it's
Speaker 1: not good enough. No, I think I think he's an
Speaker 1: amazing athlete. I'm not gonna go there. I think he
Speaker 1: does like some strength, and maybe it's gonna take a while.
Speaker 1: I don't think it happening very soon, because that is
Speaker 1: something that needs time to build up. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, he has one of the greatest things that
Speaker 1: I like about him is that he comes back and
Speaker 1: shows you improvement. You know, he comes back and shows
Speaker 1: you that he is working on it. And that for me,
Speaker 1: I'm happy with whoever is willing to improve and shows
Speaker 1: you the effort to improve. Uh. Yeah, well, and I
Speaker 1: did talk to Connor yesterday and he was telling a
Speaker 1: bunch of us. I thought it was fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you played for the Cowboys when thirty people
Speaker 1: want to talk to the rookie guard, you know, like
Speaker 1: that of doubt that happens in Jacksonville. But um, maybe now,
Speaker 1: well maybe you get my point. Yeah, Cincinnati, Um, you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't develop strength overnight. I mentioned this yesterday. It's
Speaker 1: it's a very similar thing with Taco Charlton. Is just
Speaker 1: you need like a year or more in an NFL
Speaker 1: program to really work that type of him. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: and no A hundred and look how much better Taco
Speaker 1: looked in Week one than he did. He played seventy
Speaker 1: three percent of the snaps, had some legitimate pressures YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: and a and a pass deflection on Sunday. That look
Speaker 1: at him too. Yeah, you look at guys between their
Speaker 1: first and their second year that there's a marked difference
Speaker 1: most of the time, and so guys up front, Connor
Speaker 1: says yesterday, he's like, look, I'm not going to develop
Speaker 1: super strength overnight. That's not how that works. I gotta
Speaker 1: be flawless with my technique. And he wasn't on Sunday,
Speaker 1: like he can be better from a technique standpoint. But
Speaker 1: the thing I like about him is he's such a
Speaker 1: good athlete that I think in a lot of the
Speaker 1: matchups he's going to be in, that's going to help
Speaker 1: him out. Like you're not going to overpower everybody. You're
Speaker 1: certainly not going to overpower one of the best defensive
Speaker 1: tackles in football. And that's okay. I really I don't
Speaker 1: have this concern that a lot of other people do.
Speaker 1: And I'm I don't listen to talking, but I bet
Speaker 1: over on talking Cowboys. Brian's been saying the same thing
Speaker 1: till he's blue in the face. Brian's been trying to
Speaker 1: tell you about tell you that about Connor Williams since
Speaker 1: before he was drafted, Like he was a tackle in college.
Speaker 1: He's not going to just dominate people off the line,
Speaker 1: at least not as a rookie. We'll see what happens,
Speaker 1: and before anyone comes back and says, well, Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: did you know that's what people projected, and that they
Speaker 1: projected that kind of of strength and fundamentals and all
Speaker 1: that stuff that he's got. Was this technique for Zach.
Speaker 1: That that's why he They could say, you know what,
Speaker 1: he's going to make this transition without any issues at all,
Speaker 1: and he didn't and he hasn't had any. Zack Martin
Speaker 1: was also picked sixteenth overall in a draft that produced
Speaker 1: a ton of amazing players. Like you go back and
Speaker 1: look at twenty fourteen, it's nice Aaron Donald was in
Speaker 1: that draft in a matter of four years. They're nice. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And and but even if you redrafted twenty fourteen, Zach
Speaker 1: would probably go a lot higher. Even in the draft
Speaker 1: that good Connor was the sixtieth overall pick. There's a
Speaker 1: difference there. It's fine, Yeah, I mean may honestly, I'll
Speaker 1: even allow like maybe Lyle would be better at guard
Speaker 1: and Connor would be better at tackle right now, but likes,
Speaker 1: that's that knee jerk type of stuff that I don't like.
Speaker 1: Just stick to the plan and hey, I'll be the
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Speaker 1: on Sunday either, But it's way too early to be
Speaker 1: shuffling your lineup because you didn't like the way they
Speaker 1: looked against a really good defensive front. I think patience
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Speaker 1: You two have to code cowboys. All right. Giants defense, Uh,
Speaker 1: we talked about well, we're gonna get into it right now.
Speaker 1: But in comparison to last week, this should be a
Speaker 1: little easier for the Cowboys than the than the Panthers. Defense.
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced it's gonna be easier. It's just gonna
Speaker 1: be a different set of challenges. It's not you're this front,
Speaker 1: which is funny because for so long that's what you
Speaker 1: start with with the Giants as their front. I'm not
Speaker 1: impressed other I mean the obvious. The obvious one is
Speaker 1: Damon Snack's hair. And who's my favorite nickname in football.
Speaker 1: He's he's a great quote too, like he's not afraid
Speaker 1: to speak his mind. Oh yeah, And he's a great
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. He's he's your nose in the three four.
Speaker 1: He's the run stuffer, he's the guy you got to
Speaker 1: account for. Probably, I don't think it's all gonna fall
Speaker 1: on Connor Williams. But another thing to watch is just
Speaker 1: how you deal with another dominant defensive tackle. But switching
Speaker 1: to three four. The talent around him does not terrify me.
Speaker 1: And actually it's funny that, you know, Nick was talking
Speaker 1: about how the Cowboys maybe have the personnel to switch
Speaker 1: to three four. I don't really see it because I
Speaker 1: think the world of DeMarcus Lawrence. But I just don't
Speaker 1: know that he's a guy that I want to put
Speaker 1: in a three four and stand him up. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: may I That's just that's how I feel. Which Olivier
Speaker 1: Vernon case in point. I know he played three four
Speaker 1: in Miami. He sure was good with the Giants when
Speaker 1: he was in a four to three. And we haven't
Speaker 1: seen him, well, I was gonna get to that, we
Speaker 1: haven't seen him. We don't know what he looks like,
Speaker 1: and hopefully it stay that way for one more week.
Speaker 1: He didn't play against the Jags, and let's even say
Speaker 1: he was going to be a dominant three four outside linebacker.
Speaker 1: Without him, they don't have a lot else to work with.
Speaker 1: The guys that are doing that right now are Kareem
Speaker 1: Martin and Connor Barwin. Who Barwin is? He's all right.
Speaker 1: He used to be a lot better. He was a
Speaker 1: big money player with the Eagles a while back. Now
Speaker 1: he's really more of just a journeyman. He was with
Speaker 1: the Rams I think last year. And then a guy
Speaker 1: to watch just for the future is fifty nine Lorenzo Carter.
Speaker 1: My draft people will remember that name. He's an athletic freak,
Speaker 1: but Georgia, Yeah, he's not. I don't really he's the one.
Speaker 1: He's a combine freak and he showed some promise rushing
Speaker 1: the passer, but I don't think he's ready to be
Speaker 1: that guy yet. Along that same line, they got an
Speaker 1: end named BJ Hill I think he came out of
Speaker 1: North Carolina State who looks like he could be something.
Speaker 1: And then Dalvin Tomlinson who took a defensive tackle job
Speaker 1: for them in the four three out of Alabama, Alsam, Alabama, Alabama.
Speaker 1: They got some talent there, but they're all they're not
Speaker 1: established playmakers, which is what we've gotten used to seeing.
Speaker 1: And then your linebackers alec Ogletree who they traded for
Speaker 1: b J. Goodson and Ray Ray Armstrong. The thing with
Speaker 1: the linebackers, and again this applies to the pass rushers
Speaker 1: and the inside linebackers, is like there's talent here, I
Speaker 1: don't know how much discipline there is. Like that was
Speaker 1: always my thing with alec Ogletrees, Like he's super athletic.
Speaker 1: He will sack the quarterback on a blitz or just
Speaker 1: make a hilacious tackle when he diagnoses the playwright. But
Speaker 1: like it doesn't seem like it happens on a consistent basis,
Speaker 1: Like you're watching tape and you see tight ends and
Speaker 1: wide receivers just get behind the linebackers on a routine basis.
Speaker 1: Miss tackles on running plays especially, and the Jaguars love
Speaker 1: the run the ball. They had Leonard Fournette for the
Speaker 1: first little bit of the game, and then even with
Speaker 1: t J. Yelden, you see guys getting picked up by blockers,
Speaker 1: getting washed out of the play. I really like the Cowboys'
Speaker 1: odds of having success there, even though to be fair,
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles had a forty one yard keeper in this
Speaker 1: game in Week one, which again goes back to my
Speaker 1: thing about discipline, Like, maybe you talk about some misdirection.
Speaker 1: We didn't see it from Dak and them on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Maybe you incorporate that because I think you can get
Speaker 1: these guys to bite, especially with the focus that they
Speaker 1: want to put on Zeke, because I just don't think
Speaker 1: this is a discipline group. Having said that, without the
Speaker 1: forty one yard keeper, they still limited the Jacks to
Speaker 1: three point five yards per carry, But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, the Jacks had one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: rushing yards, So I think there's plays to be made there,
Speaker 1: especially if you take advantage of their aggressive nature. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I don't think the front seven is super special. The
Speaker 1: back end scares me a little bit, mainly because of
Speaker 1: Landon collins Um. He's scary man because I know he
Speaker 1: plays safety. But the thing with him is, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna spend this whole game in the box because
Speaker 1: that's what he did against the Jags, Like he was
Speaker 1: basically an extra linebacker. He's in between the linebackers, he's
Speaker 1: over on the edge. He blitzed at least two or
Speaker 1: three times, and he was just always down in the box.
Speaker 1: And I really think it's gonna be his mission to
Speaker 1: make Zeke a non factor. That's what he said, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's equipped to do it. He's a good tackler.
Speaker 1: He's a smart player. I will say thing worth. I
Speaker 1: think he's aggressive too, like these guys want to make plays.
Speaker 1: One of Jacksonville's touchdowns, he chased in from the backside
Speaker 1: on t J Yelden or excuse me, on the on
Speaker 1: the read option. Would have had a tackle for a loss,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, except TJ. Elgin scored it out
Speaker 1: to the edge and was completely on his own for
Speaker 1: a pretty easy touchdown throw. So again, you can take
Speaker 1: advantage of that aggressiveness. But having said that, you're just
Speaker 1: talking about smash mouth running the ball right up the gut.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be hard to do, especially with
Speaker 1: him in there. Um. Then you got Generis Jenkins. Obviously
Speaker 1: we know all about him. I'm curious to see, Like
Speaker 1: without a Dez Bryan on this team. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: not a receiver that he's gonna gonna follow somebody every week.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys, you would expect a team's just gonna play exactly. Um.
Speaker 1: And then Eli Apple, against all odds, would have never
Speaker 1: thought he'd still be on this team. But new coaching staff,
Speaker 1: I think they gave him a new chance. Looked all
Speaker 1: right to me. Uh, starting nickel back on this team
Speaker 1: is b W Webb. So Cole Beasley. Cole, Oh, he's
Speaker 1: a cue. I didn't know that. Uh, Cole Beasley, it's
Speaker 1: on you, big guy. Um. And then your free safety's
Speaker 1: Curtis Riley, who plays. He's gonna be in Arlington to
Speaker 1: use a nick, to use a nick. No, well, you're right,
Speaker 1: he's gonna Yeah, he's gonna be He's gonna be at
Speaker 1: six Flags over Texas while everybody else at the same.
Speaker 1: But I'd never heard of him before he they got
Speaker 1: him from Tennessee. He looked pretty good in this game,
Speaker 1: like he's a willing hitter. He had a pass breakup,
Speaker 1: and they I don't know that they play him back
Speaker 1: there because he's a liability. I think they do it
Speaker 1: because Landon Collins likes to freelance so much so these
Speaker 1: back guys, Dad's gonna have his work cut out for him. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many easy throws are going to
Speaker 1: be there for him, And if they are, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at b W Web more so than the guys on
Speaker 1: the outside. Last year, we were playing up there the
Speaker 1: Meadowlands and we were about time to go down to
Speaker 1: the field. It was about that point in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter and I remember packing our stuff up and walking
Speaker 1: and looking at the TV. And Beasley had a really
Speaker 1: big catch, like fifty yards and got down to about
Speaker 1: the twenty and Landon Collins made the tackle and got
Speaker 1: hurt and went out of the game. And this is
Speaker 1: now we're at the elevator and we're about to go
Speaker 1: in and with him out of the game, the very
Speaker 1: next play, it was Jason Witten right down the seam touchdown.
Speaker 1: It was the one play that Collins was out of
Speaker 1: the game. They recognized it, saw it, you know. I
Speaker 1: don't know who saw it or if it was just coincidence.
Speaker 1: Whitten's open That was an RPO too, if I remember,
Speaker 1: it was like kind of a read and pull and
Speaker 1: was that one handed San Francisco. But it was after
Speaker 1: like they had they were bad in the red zone
Speaker 1: all day, like they'd kicked like three field goals and
Speaker 1: then yeah, as soon as Collins went out and then
Speaker 1: just exploded, oh no, go ahead. There wasn't another point
Speaker 1: I was gonna make about that. I don't remember. I
Speaker 1: just this is I mean, this is so it's football
Speaker 1: one oh one, like it's obvious. But I don't want
Speaker 1: to man up and just go mano a mano with
Speaker 1: these guys like Snax Harrison. You don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: These linebackers will be able to fill behind him. But
Speaker 1: like I said, like I think that they're aggressive and
Speaker 1: they want to make plays, and they clearly don't respect
Speaker 1: Dak's ability to throw the ball, according to Landon Collins himself,
Speaker 1: so and there's got to be some room for some
Speaker 1: misdirection and fooling them and stuff like that. I just think,
Speaker 1: I mean, if Blake Bortles can gain forty one yards
Speaker 1: on a read option, keeper Dak should be able to
Speaker 1: take advantage of that. Maybe he doesn't have a fifty
Speaker 1: yard run, but about fifty yards over the course of
Speaker 1: five or six carries. That sounds great to me. I
Speaker 1: remember one time in training camp with Paul Alexander was talking.
Speaker 1: He didn't talk a lot to the media, but there
Speaker 1: was one time where he was he was talking about
Speaker 1: all his years in Cincinnati and having seen different schemes,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, every year we knew how
Speaker 1: what a challenge it was to face Pittsburgh and to
Speaker 1: face that three four scheme, and so you know, with
Speaker 1: him in the offensive line and getting those guys ready
Speaker 1: to face that, you know, I mean, when you coach
Speaker 1: anywhere twenty seven years, you face a lot of teams,
Speaker 1: but you know, for a franchise like Cincinnati, you know,
Speaker 1: beating Pittsburgh and that game is always a big thing
Speaker 1: for them and to go up against that, so you know,
Speaker 1: every year they were great. And so all I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: I think he's got good experience of facing different you know,
Speaker 1: three four fronts and what they need to do with
Speaker 1: that offensive line. But here's the interesting part about that.
Speaker 1: He may have the experience, and now your rookie has
Speaker 1: to go well, I know, and I think That's the
Speaker 1: part that concerns me a little bit because his only
Speaker 1: experience in the NFL so far has been everyday at
Speaker 1: practice against a four man front first week of the season.
Speaker 1: Four man front is gonna be the first time he's
Speaker 1: gonna have experience in the NFL against the three man
Speaker 1: front front. I'm interested to see how different that is
Speaker 1: for him and how much they can confuse him with
Speaker 1: what they do, right. I mean, I knew Paul Alexander
Speaker 1: had never played in any of those twenty seven years.
Speaker 1: I'm saying as a coach, he's getting his guys. Maybe
Speaker 1: you guys, Big twelve teams are are running a three four.
Speaker 1: You don't see it often. I don't I couldn't tell you,
Speaker 1: but you don't see it a whole lot. I should
Speaker 1: not in the Big twelve. You need a ton of
Speaker 1: talent to run three four that I mean, which that's
Speaker 1: probably why Alabama does it, and well LSU now too.
Speaker 1: I always forget LSU runs. You guys go through yeah,
Speaker 1: three four years ago. Um, but actually Arkansas a three four.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how many I think we might have
Speaker 1: its three or four. The point it's going to be,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about Arkansas. The point I wanted to
Speaker 1: make is actually Jason Garrett talked to me about this yesterday,
Speaker 1: which is that no three to four team exclusively runs
Speaker 1: three four anyway like a lot of Carwin loves to
Speaker 1: put his hand on the ground. I mean, you're gonna
Speaker 1: see four man fronts, like I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: look that much drastically different, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: But the personnel is a little bit different. Snacks will
Speaker 1: be lined up a little bit differently than he would probably,
Speaker 1: So that's the fun thing about three to four. It's
Speaker 1: very multiple, which Rod Marinelli's scheme is so old school,
Speaker 1: like you're always gonna have four down linemen at least
Speaker 1: more maybe if they're running money forty four when it's
Speaker 1: third and eighteen. But it's much more uniform than this
Speaker 1: because you'll see five different alignments on five different snaps.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I like this again for the
Speaker 1: fifth time. Damon Harrison's a beast, and he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a handful. But if the Cowboys offensive line, even without
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick, is remotely as good as we give it
Speaker 1: credit for, they should have the upper hand against these linemen.
Speaker 1: The thing that gives me pause, honest, Like Landon Collins
Speaker 1: and Curtis Riley for that matter, like they like to blitz,
Speaker 1: they'll put guys near the line of scrimmage to help
Speaker 1: out with that. Like this is going to be a
Speaker 1: big game for Zeke, maybe just as much as any
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in terms of protecting the passer, because just
Speaker 1: you know, bj Hill, Dalvin Tomlinson and Kareem Martin, I
Speaker 1: would hope are not going to be consistently whooping Tyrant
Speaker 1: Smith and Lyle Collins. If that's happening, then that's a
Speaker 1: whole different set of issues. I'll tell you this much.
Speaker 1: I was watching Eli Apple and what I saw I
Speaker 1: did not like for the Cowboys especially we all really
Speaker 1: know that what's going on in the passing game, but
Speaker 1: Apple's ability to follow the receiver and stay with him,
Speaker 1: like he does not allow any separation and he's not
Speaker 1: afraid to get his hand on the ball or push
Speaker 1: you down or whatever he needs to do. So I'm
Speaker 1: really concerned about their secondary when you put it added
Speaker 1: to what the Cowboys passing games. News flash, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a recurring theme in the in the NFL
Speaker 1: this year too, and the Cowboys have known that since May,
Speaker 1: like Apple's probably gonna be They're gonna trust him man
Speaker 1: up on whoever he's got. They're definitely gonna trust Genorris Jenkins.
Speaker 1: They trust Land and Colins so much they're gonna send
Speaker 1: him down into the box and just be like, figure
Speaker 1: it out. Uh, it's gonna be crowded, And that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, if you're just gonna line up and
Speaker 1: try to just bulldoze this front, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna go back and either one of those guys that
Speaker 1: you just mentioned those corners pop into the middle, I
Speaker 1: mean pop into into the slot. Jenkins can. Jenkins can.
Speaker 1: The reason why I asked that is because I believe
Speaker 1: personally that the best receiving director that the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: is Cole Beasley. I wonder how often teams will say,
Speaker 1: our best guy can actually go in the slot and
Speaker 1: follow Beasley if they wanted to follow someone, could they
Speaker 1: do that? And would they be willing to commit today?
Speaker 1: I don't know if he will because the Giants don't
Speaker 1: share their game plan. Was absolutely, but he I think
Speaker 1: he could. Me personally, I'd trust him better than B. W. Webb.
Speaker 1: Although it's not BW. Web might be a fine player today,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just remember how not great he
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Speaker 1: I didn't know. That was not me, that was rowing
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Speaker 1: all right, given the Giants secondary, how much are the
Speaker 1: Cowboys gonna have to rely on the running game? How
Speaker 1: well can they run the ball? Are they gonna get
Speaker 1: a moving this time? And how many times are we
Speaker 1: gonna see sick eating out of the imaginary fake spoon
Speaker 1: you can imaginary out of the imaginary bow? Right? Um?
Speaker 1: I think I think yeah, I think they know that.
Speaker 1: Are you guys? I mean, based on where we're at
Speaker 1: right now, are you is that your expectation at this point?
Speaker 1: Do you really believe that it can get moving this time?
Speaker 1: I do think you can, because you know you're talking
Speaker 1: about listening to what Dave saying. You know their question
Speaker 1: marks they have on their defense is just how there's
Speaker 1: just three four you know, front seven gonna line up?
Speaker 1: How do they match up against the run and against
Speaker 1: the what we still think to be a pretty good
Speaker 1: run offense. So I think that the Cowboys have to
Speaker 1: to you know, test them and early and often and
Speaker 1: see if they can do it. And if they can
Speaker 1: do it early in the game, see if they still
Speaker 1: can do it, you know, as you keep wearing on
Speaker 1: them throughout throughout the game. That's traditionally what a three
Speaker 1: or four defense is. I mean, you can you can
Speaker 1: actually you know, overpower them if you if you have
Speaker 1: the ability to do so. And I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: still do so. Yeah, I think they're gonna do it
Speaker 1: a lot, get him established, and I think they'll have
Speaker 1: a lot more success. News flash, Cowboys are not going
Speaker 1: to be successful this year if they can't run the ball.
Speaker 1: So I think this is an every week discussion from
Speaker 1: the standpoint that if they can't get the running game going,
Speaker 1: they haven't proven yet in my opinion, over the last
Speaker 1: you go back, I don't know, eight nine games, they
Speaker 1: haven't proven that when teams can stop them from running. Really,
Speaker 1: you go back even beyond that, because you go back
Speaker 1: some of those games they played against the Giants in
Speaker 1: their in Jeke's rookie year, when they couldn't run the ball,
Speaker 1: they had a hard time moving the moving the offense,
Speaker 1: and they have a hard time scoring points. It happened
Speaker 1: against Minnesota, happened against Denver last year. We saw it
Speaker 1: a lot towards the end of last year. We saw
Speaker 1: it the first game of this year. Until they show
Speaker 1: me that in a game where they're having trouble moving
Speaker 1: the ball on the ground, that they can still move
Speaker 1: the offense and still score points. Right now, that's what
Speaker 1: it seems like they are. So every week the discussion
Speaker 1: is going to be is this defense good enough their
Speaker 1: posing defense? Is it good enough to be able to
Speaker 1: stop the Cowboys from running the ball? And if they are,
Speaker 1: they have a good chance for success. That's basically all
Speaker 1: they need to do to screw with the Cowboys, like
Speaker 1: screw them up, Like as soon as you take that
Speaker 1: element out of them, they freak and don't know what
Speaker 1: to do, like they can't handle it. At some point,
Speaker 1: at some point, I agree with you, at some point,
Speaker 1: at some point, the Cowboys are gonna have to show
Speaker 1: the league that they can pass their way out. And
Speaker 1: we don't know when that's gonna happen. If that's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to do that consistently at least
Speaker 1: over the last little stretch. Really only one thing that
Speaker 1: they need to do to kind of get that going.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's playing and simple. It's the fleeflicker, you know,
Speaker 1: just get you you you jest, But and I really
Speaker 1: it would be a play that would work for this team.
Speaker 1: I who could get down there. Though I understand, you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta have your bread and butter plays. You
Speaker 1: gotta run off tackle and off in the a gap.
Speaker 1: Like I understand you have to do those things. But
Speaker 1: like I hope that they're not stubborn enough to just
Speaker 1: try to manoamano because I just have I have nightmares
Speaker 1: of like Landon Collins chasing off the backside and tripping
Speaker 1: Zeke up for one yard gain on a play that
Speaker 1: might have gotten seven, and that adds up so uh
Speaker 1: actually that if you go watch it, like the Giants
Speaker 1: did a lot of this, Like they did a lot
Speaker 1: of counters, a lot of they don't have an offensive
Speaker 1: line like some of se Quon Barkley's best runs were
Speaker 1: where you get the whole line flowing one way and
Speaker 1: then get Barkley going the other. Like just stuff like
Speaker 1: that misdirection. I mean read option for the millionth time.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it has to be every play,
Speaker 1: but there needs to be an element of the unknown
Speaker 1: to where you're getting eight nine yards on a play
Speaker 1: that you know the whole defense is going the wrong way.
Speaker 1: That type of stuff to complement what you already do,
Speaker 1: and I think hopefully that'll work better than what they
Speaker 1: did last. There was a play and I have such
Speaker 1: a bad memory when it comes to like time and
Speaker 1: why gaming was or what play was, but I remember
Speaker 1: you seeing and this is not necessarily something that happens
Speaker 1: very often, but the whole being on sync in the
Speaker 1: in tune with everybody else where. They ran this play
Speaker 1: and everyone went to I think the left, and the
Speaker 1: runner was supposed to go to the right or the receipt.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember who it was. No, not this passe,
Speaker 1: not this recent game later ever whenever, I don't remember
Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't that long ago. It was pretty soon.
Speaker 1: I don't know, the preseason. Whatever. The point is, they're
Speaker 1: supposed they have this play very well planned out that
Speaker 1: would have worked perfectly, and it would have ended up
Speaker 1: in a touchdown. Right there they were in the red
Speaker 1: zone and they all went to the left when the
Speaker 1: player was supposed to go to the right obviously open,
Speaker 1: and he went alone to go into the left as well.
Speaker 1: So just dumb mistakes. That's probably the player that's probably
Speaker 1: on the running back then, or the back I mean,
Speaker 1: if everybody's going left and he went right. But that's
Speaker 1: the infuriating thing about football is like that's every play.
Speaker 1: Like if you go back and watch that Carolina tape,
Speaker 1: as bad as they look like, there's like six plays
Speaker 1: where you're like, that's a thirty yard game if Dax
Speaker 1: sees that, or if the ball's placed a little bit better,
Speaker 1: or there was even one I think it was Jeff Schwartz,
Speaker 1: the former offensive lineman. He did this whole breakdown, like
Speaker 1: the first play of the game. If Lyell and Joe
Speaker 1: Looney communicate a little bit better on their block, Zeke
Speaker 1: had like an alley for maybe maybe a touchdown, but
Speaker 1: at least a chunk game. But it wasn't blocked right
Speaker 1: and it went for a yard Like that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the difference. It's and it's it's infuriating watching it
Speaker 1: back and seeing what could have been. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: to me, one of the most frustrating things. Watching the game,
Speaker 1: especially from the press box, you have an aerial view
Speaker 1: and we get to see it very clearly. Obviously, when
Speaker 1: you're on the field and you're actually playing at eye level,
Speaker 1: it's a different type of view. And when you see
Speaker 1: certain people being open and stuff are you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, he should have made that. Well. The view
Speaker 1: is completely different, right, And it's like when you watch
Speaker 1: a karate or Karate kid or WWE or something that
Speaker 1: you watch a fight and then you think you get
Speaker 1: so fared up that you think you can do it
Speaker 1: better than the person, and like you want to get
Speaker 1: in there and do it. That's what I want to
Speaker 1: do sometimes, get in there. I've sat next to Derek
Speaker 1: for years and he's always saying, well, I mean, receiver
Speaker 1: was wide open. Like you know, from our spot, you
Speaker 1: just see this receiver running in like that sounds good,
Speaker 1: and but who knows if the quarterback saw that. You know,
Speaker 1: we see it because we're up high, but the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: sometimes of what's in his face and all that. And
Speaker 1: my retort to that usually is it's a it's there
Speaker 1: are some quarterbacks that when that happens, that the ball
Speaker 1: gets there. So maybe it's just that the quarterback has
Speaker 1: to improve his acumen so that he knows where he
Speaker 1: expects the guy to get open and has the ability
Speaker 1: to have the awareness to see what that you're saying.
Speaker 1: Some of these quarterbacks just make the throw without seeing it.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's it too, I don't know. All it's
Speaker 1: rare when you're watching when Aaron Rodgers is in town,
Speaker 1: it's very rare that you see just a wide open
Speaker 1: guy running down the field and he doesn't see that guy,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, so I think there is there
Speaker 1: may be something to what you're saying, But I think
Speaker 1: there's also something to the idea that that means that
Speaker 1: maybe you need to do a little bit more whatever
Speaker 1: that is, to be able to give yourself a better vantage,
Speaker 1: a better understanding, to be able to get it to well.
Speaker 1: Beasley was wide open, I like says who I mean,
Speaker 1: like nobody knew that, you know. I mean, that's he
Speaker 1: gets overlooked sometimes, you know, when he's over the middle.
Speaker 1: That's that's part of it. But it is on the
Speaker 1: quarterback too to move and laterally and get you know,
Speaker 1: find open lanes to throw and see. Yeah, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep talking about that, hopefully things calm down, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys win this game, and we can't start talking
Speaker 1: about some positive things because one of the talk right
Speaker 1: now is who's the next quarterback? When are we getting
Speaker 1: ready to go there? If this game doesn't go the
Speaker 1: right way, the draft show questions next week. They're already
Speaker 1: lining up, all right, well for Nickiman, Derek Eagleton, David Hellman,
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