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Speaker 1: What are we going to call it, Ryan, We'll just

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Speaker 1: say brow show counter break, It's point break. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: go with that. It's the bro show virtue here, Yes,

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Speaker 1: here's the pound.

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Speaker 3: There we go.

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Speaker 1: It works out.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 1: People can feel the energy and the loves through the screen.

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Speaker 1: So Ryan and I coming off of a hot State

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Speaker 1: of the Union joint addressed to Congress by President Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is a fifth while occupying the Oval Office, longest

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Speaker 3: Eyes were heavy when he started. Oh and they did.

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Speaker 3: They did not get any lighter by the end. And man,

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Speaker 1: That's right. Maybe they weren't applauding because they were tired.

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Speaker 1: We can ignore the median agent there is seventy years old.

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Speaker 1: I was exhausted when we were live at eleven, So

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine being my freaking grandfather having to

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Speaker 3: All of the Yeah, if people miss that there was

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Speaker 3: this riff that he did where he was just I've

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Speaker 3: it's just it's just so sad that the Democrats won't

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Speaker 1: I saw somebody saying yesterday they were like, man, this

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it's the state of you. It's

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Speaker 1: we cover every single one of these things. People pay attention.

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Speaker 1: We're not really sure why, but let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: start with the breaking news that has come out as

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Speaker 1: now so far, and that is let's see, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: go and put it up here on the screen. A

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Speaker 1: decision from the US Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: contractors for work that they have already performed. Justices Alito, Thomas, Gorsich,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of this Supreme Court decision? You know,

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Speaker 3: The executive then hired somebody to carry out that function.

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Speaker 3: it's pretty hard to see how you can justify that.

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Speaker 3: It's one thing if you say, okay, we don't want

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Speaker 3: They already did it and so you got to pay them.

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Speaker 3: Is basically what the Supreme Court is saying. And for

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Speaker 3: a bunch of my liberal friends who have worried for

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Speaker 3: many years that Trump is going to become a dictator.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I've always reminded them is

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Speaker 1: Of course, from the very beginning of the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: Exactly of the Review. They they seized power in the

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Speaker 1: See now you and I are cooking, Ryan, Now we're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they want to those invented powers. You're very right.

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Speaker 1: I did want to put up Justice Alito's descent, which

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Speaker 1: could have granted the government instead of deciding to do this. Now.

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Speaker 1: still get litigated in a district court in terms of the timeline,

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Speaker 1: the feasibility to turn this on, But the argument about

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Speaker 3: Right, and that's why you've seen you know, this classic

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Speaker 3: sending notes to every single uh contractor saying, you know,

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Speaker 3: kind of remarkable, like you can't. Obviously they're going through

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Speaker 3: to work this out, but you couldn't actually govern this way,

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Speaker 3: Like that's that's obviously the right standle.

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Speaker 1: You're talking just in terms of the process. So it

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Speaker 1: does make sense. Yeah, right, especially if you're thinking justee,

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Speaker 1: Justice Barrett and Roberts. They're like, okay, like we're just

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Speaker 3: Right, it shows they're going to be players here.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And also it's going to be WHI We

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Speaker 1: speech Trump was among speech watchers, seventy four percent say presidential,

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Speaker 1: So actually a pretty good reaction there from Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, you know, that actually kind of makes sense to

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Speaker 3: So if your Van Jones became unpresident last night, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I've lived and worked in many countries. I've seen democracies

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Speaker 1: So who is doing the knock in there?

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Speaker 1: all of that, but the Kissingerian worldview was that democracy

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Speaker 1: in and of itself under Nixon and all of that

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Speaker 1: was not an end that should be pursued for the

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Speaker 1: United States. Instead, the end that should be pursued is

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Speaker 1: strategic interest, is economics, is balance, is peace, etc. And

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Speaker 1: some of that was keeping communism out of let's say

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Speaker 1: the Western hemisphere, but not necessarily because that comports with

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Speaker 1: the Munroe doctrine, but not necessarily in Hungary, for example.

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Speaker 1: The Reaganesque view, the one that I think Alyssa Slockin

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Speaker 1: is saying there, is that no, we are endorsing rollback. Effectively,

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Speaker 1: the communism itself is the evil empire. We cannot live

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Speaker 1: in a world with the Soviet Empire and in our

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Speaker 1: inability to live with that. The pursuit and the policy

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Speaker 1: of the United States should always be to push back

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Speaker 1: against these borders and to call it out completely. Now,

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Speaker 1: the reason why I think that's important in this Putin

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Speaker 1: Ukraine situation is the Biden previous view. Yeah, we got

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Speaker 1: the cat doing some gymnastics behind me. The previous Biden

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Speaker 1: policy Putin is a war criminal. We cannot deal with Putin.

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Speaker 1: The Putin regime itself is illegitimate from Biden, which means

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Speaker 1: that there is no settlement with Ukraine, that Ukraine itself

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Speaker 1: is a front line of democracy. Verly, similarly in the

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Speaker 1: way that Voice of America was consuming to push democracy

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Speaker 1: right in Hungary or any of these so called Soviet

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Speaker 1: occupied states. Well, the point here, I think is it

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Speaker 1: comes down to then the Trump view of no, we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna sit down and we're going to talk and

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Speaker 1: pursue a peace deal. Now this view is now majorly

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Speaker 1: in contention, but it's flipped where now you have the

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Speaker 1: Democrats who are seeing to basically embody this previously neo

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Speaker 1: conservative liberal world order view of the world, America the

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Speaker 1: exceptional nation and all of that, Whereas now Trump at

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Speaker 1: least not the whole Republican Party is pursuing, at least

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Speaker 1: in this Ukraine instance, more of a realist foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: So I actually think that while it was a small snippet,

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Speaker 1: it does say a lot about your previous view of

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Speaker 1: the Cold War of the United States conduct, but like,

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Speaker 1: more importantly, how to think about conflict in the future

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Speaker 1: as we approach more multipolarity in the system.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that democrats and democratic elites in particular,

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Speaker 3: as plus the Lindsay Grahams, though the more hawkish Republicans

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Speaker 3: of the world, ye, were very energized by being on

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Speaker 3: the right side of history after Russia invaded Ukraine, because

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Speaker 3: it's good, that's what they did. They lined up troops

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Speaker 3: on the border, they marched them in. You can talk

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Speaker 3: about what happened before February twenty twenty two, so you're

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Speaker 3: blue in the face, But the world and the American

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Speaker 3: audience saw troops lining up on a border to and

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Speaker 3: doing something they didn't think was happening anymore in this world,

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Speaker 3: and Mark you know, marching it and you know, heading

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Speaker 3: right for Kiev. And so they this was after fifty

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Speaker 3: years of being the bad guys. Whether it was Vie,

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Speaker 3: whether it was Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan getting you know,

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Speaker 3: and and it came not long after the kind of

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Speaker 3: ignoble and and kind of chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, which

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Speaker 3: good for Biden for doing it. Let me underscore that again.

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Speaker 3: But it was embarrassing to the Lindsey Grahams and the

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Speaker 3: Democratic hawks of the world. They were really loving finally

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Speaker 3: having the ability to speak with moral force and and

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Speaker 3: Democrats never then the Democratic base was along for that

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Speaker 3: ride because they saw that, know, this is outrageous, how

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Speaker 3: can you do this? There was never any allowed, any

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Speaker 3: debate within the Democratic Party over how this war would end.

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Speaker 3: And so even as the reality was you know, fundamentally

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Speaker 3: changing on the ground and Ukraine's you know, second counter

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Speaker 3: offensive is fizzling out and they're running out of men

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Speaker 3: to throw at the front lines anymore, because of this

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Speaker 3: lack of debate, they're the Democratic base is still in

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Speaker 3: February twenty twenty two, like we need to defend Ukrainian

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Speaker 3: sovereignty and democracy against the evil Putin and so the

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Speaker 3: whiplash is just full force. To then see this the

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Speaker 3: Republican Party, which has been having these debates about what

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Speaker 3: land should be exchanged for peace, and what are the

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Speaker 3: conditions that should be agreed to to see that happen,

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Speaker 3: Like they're only they're only reactions. That must be a trader,

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Speaker 3: and he must be a you know, an autocrat like Putin,

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Speaker 3: must be loving Putin. And the whole time it's like

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Speaker 3: Russia is not even that big a deal like China is.

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Speaker 3: The other is the there are two global powers right now,

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Speaker 3: the United States and China, and Democrats really seem very

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Speaker 3: fixated on elevating Russia into that instead, like there's some

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Speaker 3: like they have some block. I think this is where

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Speaker 3: Russia them's in. Yeah, yeah, I think.

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Speaker 1: This is where Russia gay comes in. Is that you know,

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Speaker 1: you went from a situation where Obama had the correct

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Speaker 1: view of Ukraine. Everyone can go and read the Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Goldberg interview with Obama from twenty fifteen where he was like,

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Speaker 1: if you want to make an argument that CRIMEA is

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Speaker 1: a vital national security interest that's worth US troops, He's like,

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Speaker 1: go for it. I don't agree with that, and I

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Speaker 1: think that the Russians will always care way more about

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Speaker 1: it than we do. He was right, right, He was

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Speaker 1: right not to escalate the conflict in Ukraine. If anything,

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Speaker 1: the worst thing that Trump did on Ukraine was not

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Speaker 1: the perfect phone call. It was to ship javelins to

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Speaker 1: the country to escalate the conflict and to increase even

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Speaker 1: more of basically this like hawkish approach vice A v. Russia,

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Speaker 1: which basically like builds things up to a powder keg

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Speaker 1: and explodes in the Ukraine invasion.

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Speaker 3: Then you ship the javelins in order to get Zelenski

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Speaker 3: to like throw Hunter Biden under the bus.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that whole Yeah, So no, it was he was

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Speaker 1: not shipping javelins, right because he wanted to hold up Javeliner.

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Speaker 1: So this is the thing is there. It's baked into

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Speaker 1: the lore of the United States. Actually, I remember, uh,

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Speaker 1: I remember Crystal and I talking about it at the

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Speaker 1: time because we covered that impeachment live and it was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: did you know it's written in the constitutions that you

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Speaker 1: have to send javelin missiles to Ukraine. Like it's like,

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Speaker 1: this is an impeachable offense. What it's like, No, let's

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Speaker 1: return to the Obama policy. I don't care about saying

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Speaker 1: that it was the correct policy. So I do think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said about it and uh

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Speaker 1: out look. I mean part of the problem is that

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Speaker 1: negative polarization means that after that Trump is Zelenski interview,

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Speaker 1: liberals who are already on board with the war in Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: they're never coming back from full Ukrainian victory. Now Lensky

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Speaker 1: is a hero for them because he stood up to

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Speaker 1: Trump or whatever. It doesn't even matter. You can go

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Speaker 1: watch our debate with me and Crystal yesterday about who

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Speaker 1: was default. But negative polarization means like liberals are all

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Speaker 1: in on this war. It is now a religion in

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Speaker 1: the same way that Russia Gate was a religion. Is

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Speaker 1: that any piece of any kind itself is unacceptable now,

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Speaker 1: especially if you've got Michael McCall and you've got Chris

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Speaker 1: Murphy and the MSNBC crowd just absolutely losing it the

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Speaker 1: choice of Slotkin. I think it's very very important for

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Speaker 1: people to see that, yes, while all of the rhetoric

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Speaker 1: and all of that is posturing, there are very real

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Speaker 1: world implications for policy that are right behind this. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying, you know, Trump, Gaza and all of

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Speaker 1: that isn't a very obvious departure from this. I'm only

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Speaker 1: speaking very narrowly in the Ukraine context. The other telling

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Speaker 1: thing to me Ryan was all of the democratic pundits,

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Speaker 1: the professional pundits, being like, she knocked it out of

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Speaker 1: the park ten out of ten in her response, the

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Speaker 1: most perfect response that a person has ever given. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know, there is that choice

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Speaker 1: right now between how people are going to respond to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. A slockin is someone who's like yesterday in

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Speaker 1: her response, she's like, yeah, there's waste in the government,

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Speaker 1: will help you cut it, but don't do it in

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Speaker 1: such a chaotic way. And then you know she voted

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Speaker 1: for the Lake and Riley Act, for example, she's been

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Speaker 1: trying to be more hawkish on immigration. She's basically like

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Speaker 1: radical centrism embodied in a candidate. It's all about institutions,

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Speaker 1: it's all about norms. Whereas we also have this Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders response, which was not, you know, a sanctioned one.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of what he just decided to do on

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Speaker 1: his own, but nonetheless very different in its tone. So

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Speaker 1: let's take a listen to some of that.

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Speaker 6: So let's be clear about that, well over ninety nine

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Speaker 6: of socialist jurny checks are going out to people who

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Speaker 6: earned those checks seventy million Americans. Nobody, nobody who was

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Speaker 6: one hundred and fifty years old or two hundred years

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Speaker 6: old or three hundred years old, just receiving social Jurney

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Speaker 6: checks and on and on.

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Speaker 3: The lives goal.

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Speaker 1: So Bernie is standing up there pretty hard for social security.

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Speaker 1: And throughout a lot of his speech yesterday, in terms

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Speaker 1: of at least the parts that I've seen that have

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Speaker 1: gone out, you could see that there was a huge

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Speaker 1: difference in the viewership. Actually, think one of our producers

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Speaker 1: sent it, So let me go ahead and pull it up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here we go. So slock in speech got four five

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Speaker 1: hundred views at its height, which is insane. I have

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Speaker 1: no like I could pick my nose and I could

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Speaker 1: get more live viewers. I'd break the points. That ended

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Speaker 1: up at sixty one thousand views, and apparently AOC had

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Speaker 1: some twenty thousand on Instagram live in her response. So

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Speaker 1: you know, look, it's not everything, but we did just

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Speaker 1: come off an election, did we not of proving that

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Speaker 1: podcasting and views and YouTube and all of that's pretty important.

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Speaker 1: I would say it's pretty important the attention economy and

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Speaker 1: all of that. So the only question is is is

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Speaker 1: the democratic base going to demand something different, or if

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Speaker 1: their leadership gets propelled in people like Slackins and all

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Speaker 1: of them are going to try to take the reins

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Speaker 1: and to try and to channel that into their view

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Speaker 1: of how to respond to trump Ism.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there isn't much in the way of the material

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Speaker 3: there for the party's kind of faithful opposition to rally

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Speaker 3: against these party leaders. There's there's Bernie, you know, the

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Speaker 3: squad is kind of disintegrated into their own thing, thrown

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Speaker 3: individual things. In twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 3: a pac and Democratic Majority for Israel spent so much

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Speaker 3: money like beating back the progressive wing of the party

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Speaker 3: that it really you know, nipped it in the PUD

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Speaker 3: in a significant way. And so there's just like that,

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Speaker 3: the the the conditions are ripe for an insurgency inside

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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. The insurgents just aren't there. And it's early.

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Speaker 3: You know, there may be people who identify the opening

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Speaker 3: and go for it. It may have to come from more

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Speaker 3: of an independent, you know approach like you saw in Nebraska.

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Speaker 3: I think there might be candidates trying that elsewhere around

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Speaker 3: the country, coming in with a kind of Bernie style

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Speaker 3: popularist populism coupled with being on immigration running as independence

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Speaker 3: like that, you could see some of that. The party

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Speaker 3: is right for getting toppled. Part of leaderships right for

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Speaker 3: getting toppled. But you Nancy Pelosi used to say when

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Speaker 3: she was running for speakership, you can't beat somebody with nobody.

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Speaker 3: And you know, she she often didn't have serious bonus though.

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Speaker 1: That's a very good point. You know, she never even

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Speaker 1: though there were definitely times right where she could have

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Speaker 1: easily faced at least some push.

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Speaker 3: She always Joe Crowley would have been a serious, you know,

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Speaker 3: challenger to her, But that's AOC took care of that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. And that was the cycle where she was.

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Speaker 3: That was her. That was literally her slogan to run

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Speaker 3: again for leader. You can't beat somebody with nobody, Like

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Speaker 3: can you can you concoct something less inspiring than that,

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Speaker 3: Like you have nothing. You can't beat me because you

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Speaker 3: have nothing.

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Speaker 1: Respect it almost have to respect it because it's so naked.

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Speaker 1: It's honestly just too. It's so open. Yeah, on this,

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Speaker 1: on this grand theory, it is really interesting. I want

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Speaker 1: to try and find some more Bernie Sanders reaction just

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Speaker 1: because it is so striking to watch how different it

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Speaker 1: is as opposed to the slock In universe of like

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Speaker 1: respectability of the Cold War, of everything is about the chaos,

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Speaker 1: which she's basically it's like a suburban strategy to try

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Speaker 1: and win the suburban voters. But you know, the difference

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Speaker 1: is is that Ryan, as you and I know, the

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Speaker 1: suburban voters all voted Democrat. They were the faithful for Kamala.

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Speaker 1: It was the working class voters who are the ones

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Speaker 1: who abandoned them. I mean, what is it for the

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Speaker 1: first time ever a Republican I voters under one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand and Democrats like you have the people who support

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Speaker 1: this Reagan stuff. That's not who you need to win

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Speaker 1: back right now, whereas it's you know, a very very

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Speaker 1: different view. I think that would have to you would

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Speaker 1: need to at least even compete from what we yes.

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Speaker 3: It's like when when Republicans, you know, Katie Britt did

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Speaker 3: that weird deer in the headlights, you know, kind of

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Speaker 3: creepy response to buy those insane But but the the

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Speaker 3: goal at least you could see was let's put up

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Speaker 3: a suburban looking mom because we're good with the NASCAR crowd. Like,

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Speaker 3: we don't need another We don't we don't need to

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Speaker 3: like up our share with them, and we've got other

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Speaker 3: ways to reach them. This is our national audience. Let's

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Speaker 3: show that we have normal suburban people who are not

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Speaker 3: chaos agents. You know. She she happened to like completely

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Speaker 3: botch that that moment, but you could see at least

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Speaker 3: the thinking like, try to put somebody normal up there.

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Speaker 3: And so Democrats to the rever like, what they need

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Speaker 3: is like somebody who's going to reach outside of their tent,

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Speaker 3: and instead they got like the person from Central casting

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Speaker 3: inside there.

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Speaker 1: It was very odd, all right. So I've got one here.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to some of Senator Sanders.

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Speaker 6: Well, just give you a very few examples. Trump claimed

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Speaker 6: that the twenty twenty election was stolen from him and

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Speaker 6: that he won by a land I remember.

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Speaker 3: That A lie.

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Speaker 6: Trump claimed that the January sixth insurrection was a day

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Speaker 6: of love.

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Speaker 7: A lie.

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Speaker 6: Trump has claimed that millions of undocumented people voted and

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Speaker 6: do vote in American elections. A lie. Trump has claimed

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Speaker 6: that climate change is a hoax originating in China. A lie.

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Speaker 6: Trump has claimed that Ukraine started the horrific war with Russia.

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Speaker 6: A lie, and tonight, just tonight, Trump claimed that millions

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Speaker 6: of dead people between the ages of one hundred and

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Speaker 6: three hundred and sixty. I guess we're collecting social Security checks.

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Speaker 6: And that is an outrageous light intended to lay the groundwork,

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Speaker 6: but cuts the Social Security and dismantling the most successful

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Speaker 6: and popular government program in history.

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Speaker 1: So what I find fascinating about that response is it's

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Speaker 1: a mix of the greatest hits from MSNBC coupled with

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Speaker 1: a little bit of Social Security, which actually is a

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Speaker 1: good way to describe progressive liberalism.

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Speaker 3: No offense, but it's right. Yeah, they hate Trump as

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Speaker 3: much as you do. Why do you hate them so much? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, you know, they are just liberals in

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Speaker 1: many spons.

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Speaker 3: Just really like social Security and they want you to

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Speaker 3: be a little bit better off. Yeah, they want life

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Speaker 3: to be a little less hard.

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Speaker 1: I was I was fascinated by yeah, because I saw

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Speaker 1: the summary here in the tweet, and I was like, huh.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, in a way that can

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Speaker 1: show you in a certain in a better sense for

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Speaker 1: the Democrats. The reason why it would be more effective

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Speaker 1: is you get all your MSNBC hits even mister Sanders

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Speaker 1: is a huge Ukraine stand which is depressing for anybody

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Speaker 1: who's been following for a long time. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he's come full circle here for the A to Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and all of that. So he's with you on a

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Speaker 1: lot of the box checks. But he's a little bit

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Speaker 1: better I think it conveying some of this, not that

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Speaker 1: they will listen to him at all. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: get to the Trump free speech, the free speech order

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Speaker 1: or truth, whatever the hell that we're going to call it.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty extraordinary, no matter what you have, no matter

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Speaker 1: what you think, I'm gonna go ahead and load some

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Speaker 1: of this up here. All right. So this is what

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Speaker 1: we got here from Donald Trump, President of the United States,

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Speaker 1: in a statement yesterday. All federal funding will stop for

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Speaker 1: any college, school, or university that allows illegal protests. Agitators

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Speaker 1: will be imprisoned and or permanently sent back to the

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Speaker 1: country from which they came. American students will be permanently

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Speaker 1: expelled or, depending on the crime, arrested. No masks, thank

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Speaker 1: you for your attention to this matter. Our the organization Fire,

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Speaker 1: who have great and deep respect for says here in

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Speaker 1: reaction free speech on college campus is a proud American

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Speaker 1: tradition on public campuses protected by the First Amendment. President

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Speaker 1: Trump's message this morning, combined with other recent executive orders,

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Speaker 1: is deeply chilling. Peaceful protests isn't illegal, and the government

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Speaker 1: must follow the First Amendment. Misconduct is not free speech

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Speaker 1: and must be punished. The president can't force institutions to

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Speaker 1: expel students. Students are entitled to due process on public

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Speaker 1: college campuses and almost universally on private ones too. As

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Speaker 1: Fire knows too well from our work in defending student

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Speaker 1: and faculty rights under the Obama Biden administration, threatening schools

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Speaker 1: with the loss of federal funding will result in a

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Speaker 1: crackdown on lawful speech. Schools will censor first and ask

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Speaker 1: questions later. Today's message casts an impermissible chill on student

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Speaker 1: protests about the Israeli Palestinian conflict, paired with Trump's twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen executive order adopting an unconstitutional definition of anti Semitism. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, let me say one of the craziest things

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Speaker 1: that I mean.

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Speaker 3: Ye yeah, well you're on it. Let me add, at

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Speaker 3: least to Phonic, who is now Trump's un representative. She says,

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Speaker 3: she shared this and says under President Trump, colleges and

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Speaker 3: universities will be held accountable. Anti Semitism and anti israel

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Speaker 3: hate will not be tolerated on American campuses. Promises made,

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Speaker 3: promises kept. And you know, she's in some ways going

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Speaker 3: even even further than let's let's let's take the counter

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Speaker 3: argument that I've seen a lot from supporters of this initiative.

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Speaker 3: They say, look, universities are not entitled to federal funds,

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Speaker 3: so it is it is up to the president if

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Speaker 3: he wants to give So that is just a absolute, complete,

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Speaker 3: fundamental miss understanding and really assault on the First Amendment.

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Speaker 3: Glenn Greenwall was talking about this recently and he had

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Speaker 3: a really good example that I think will help people

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Speaker 3: understand why that's not the case, because and the First

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Speaker 3: Amendment law is very clear a government doesn't have to

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Speaker 3: offer universities funding, but if they decide to offer funding,

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Speaker 3: they cannot punish individual universities exactly based on speech and

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Speaker 3: a better way to understand. The example he came up

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Speaker 3: with was let's say New York State has an unemployment policy.

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Speaker 3: They are not required to give unemployment benefits to anybody,

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Speaker 3: but if they do give unemployment benefits, it would be

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Speaker 3: wildly unconstitutional for them to condition getting unemployment benefits on

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Speaker 3: your support for the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: Or race, or think about that, any violation of equal

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Speaker 1: protection of First Amendment of the Constitution. Right, the government

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Speaker 1: cannot disperse funds based on a capricious standard, doesn't it could?

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Speaker 1: It could just not offer funds to anybody you end

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Speaker 1: on employment, will stop funding universities? You can, Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: you can do. But you can't say, all right, you

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Speaker 1: over here are punished for anti Israel hate?

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Speaker 3: Like who, right? What's anti and what? And this whole

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Speaker 3: thing an illegal protest? What's an illegal protest? Like if

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Speaker 3: if you break a law while you're protesting, you can

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Speaker 3: be arrested for that, you can be expelled, you can

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Speaker 3: be jailed. But but what is an illegal protest?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: The First Amendment doesn't just say free speech, It says

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Speaker 3: the right to assembly and to petition your government for grievances.

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Speaker 1: And why okay again, yeah, I'm sure this will get

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Speaker 1: clicked out by my Zionist haters. Why should we care

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Speaker 1: if people are quote anti Israel on campus?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: Why can be anti America? You can be anti Peru it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't love you know, if somebody is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm anti America, okay, whatever, if you're aunt, yeah, anti Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: anti Russia. You know how many Russia anti Russia protests,

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Speaker 1: you pro Ukraine war protests that I walked by after

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Speaker 1: the war broke out. You know, I totally disagree with

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Speaker 1: these folks. Whatever, It's fine, it's free country.

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Speaker 3: At the First Amendment. The First Amendment means you can

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Speaker 3: be racist, you can be bigoted, you can be homophobic,

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Speaker 3: you can be islamophobic. You know you can. You can

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Speaker 3: be an awful person and say awful things and and

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Speaker 3: those are the that's the speech that the First Amendment

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Speaker 3: is intended to protect. If the First Amendment was only

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Speaker 3: designed to protect uh, you know, thoughtful poetry that aligned

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Speaker 3: with our own values, what use would it be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the problem here was also saying that American

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Speaker 1: students will be permanently expelled. I mean the only part

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Speaker 1: where I differ is, you know, everyone's like, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: not free speech to say that foreign students will get deported.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, like, yeah, they have right to free speech,

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Speaker 1: but like we also have the right to revoke their

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Speaker 1: visa literally at it, like in terms of how we're

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Speaker 1: allowed to do this, So I just think it's that

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Speaker 1: one's different. But saying American students will get expelled, as

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Speaker 1: in an American citizen will lose their access to a

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Speaker 1: publicly funded university based upon their views of Israel is

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Speaker 1: outrageous to me. If you were a taxpayer, if you're

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Speaker 1: in a United States taxpayer, you live wherever you live,

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Speaker 1: and you have paid ungodly amounts, you know, into the

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Speaker 1: University of I live in Virginia, into the University of

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Speaker 1: Virginia system, and you're going to police. What are you

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Speaker 1: going to decide my admission or my attendance at your

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Speaker 1: university based upon my constitutionally protected right to free speech?

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Speaker 1: That is one of the most outrageous things that I

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Speaker 1: could think of. I mean, Ryan, did they even go

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Speaker 1: this far during Vietnam? Like, I really don't think so. No, No, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't even think they were, Like, but no, that's

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Speaker 1: not the same. Yeah, And actually that was even decided.

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Speaker 3: At the Supreme Court they couldn't do that. And we

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Speaker 3: don't point we don't connect this that much either, But

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Speaker 3: as we speak, Israel is cutting off electricity to Gaza,

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Speaker 3: which is destroying the sanitation plants. Threatening to cut off

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Speaker 3: water and in some some places cutting off water and

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Speaker 3: is completely blocked all entry of food for days now

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Speaker 3: into Gaza in an explicit attempt to get them to

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Speaker 3: get a hamas to abrogate the ceasefire deal and reach

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Speaker 3: a new deal. They are actively using it and admitting

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Speaker 3: that they are using starvation of a civilian population for

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Speaker 3: their negotiating purposes. What is an American student supposed to

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Speaker 3: say about that? That is that is within the bounds

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Speaker 3: of accepted speech according to a Leist Dephonic and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Right, and even then you know, everyone's like, oh, anti

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Speaker 1: Zionism is anti summon. That's the part where it just

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Speaker 1: drives me insane. I'm trying to think, what's a disputed territory, Like,

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Speaker 1: what's like a disputed country?

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Speaker 3: You go, Slobby Karabakarna Krbach.

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Speaker 1: Great, yeah, great one because they actually resolved that question, right,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, literally right, it was resolved with Israeli support.

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Speaker 1: Just so you're all, but Tom, it's one of those

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Speaker 1: where uh if there were pro Actually, you and I

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Speaker 1: live here in the d m V area. If you

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Speaker 1: ever take a drive out in Embassy Row, you will

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Speaker 1: see protests over the most obscure ship. You can imagine

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Speaker 1: dar four. You know, over here you've got yeah, you said,

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Speaker 1: nagarn O, Kara Bach. Over here, you've got some Kurds

860
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Speaker 1: outside the Turkish embassy. Okay, whatever, Right, it's America, let

861
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Speaker 1: it be uh, trust me, those embassies they hate it,

862
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: but there's something they can do about it.

863
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: With their video cameras trying to figure out who they

864
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Speaker 3: are always punishing. Yeah, it's horrible.

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Speaker 1: Remember when Aradawan visited DC, sent his bodyguards out to

866
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Speaker 1: beat the ship out of a bunch of protesters. But

867
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Speaker 1: like that's an example right where actually the government and

868
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Speaker 1: the DC government actually up to him and we're like, no, no, no,

869
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Speaker 1: that does not happen here. So we can have protests

870
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Speaker 1: around Nagurano, Karabakh, around Kurtistan, around all of these other places.

871
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: That's not considered hate. It's just a protest, okay, whatever.

872
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: And you don't even have to like it. You know,

873
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: you can find it annoying. You could find you know,

874
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Speaker 1: I remember Rohinga protests. Right, you're in DC over the

875
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: whole Burma Mayan mar thing. All of that is fine,

876
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: and nobody at a national level is legislating trying to

877
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: define or to outlaw it. It's literally only here where

878
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: they're basically asking for the same snowflake treatment that so

879
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: many of these dei BLM demands that happened. You know

880
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: over the last eight years that these guys like Shapiro

881
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: and then became filthy rich, decrying and now have nothing

882
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: to say about it, if not actively cheering it, a

883
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: huering it whenever it happens.

884
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Speaker 6: Now.

885
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've all Abraham, the Israeli journalist who won

886
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: an Oscar Or the other day for the film No

887
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: Other Land, in his speech, said that we need an

888
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Speaker 3: end to ethnic supremacy in Israel. He called for an

889
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: end to ethnic supremacy. So you've all Abraham would have

890
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 3: been guilty at an American university of anti semitism according

891
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 3: to this according to this definition. And I guess you know,

892
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: he's an Israeli citizens, so we're not going to deport him,

893
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: but maybe he would be Maybe if Columbia invited him

894
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: to speak, they would then lose their they would lose

895
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Speaker 3: their federal funding for heaven in Israeli who called for

896
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Speaker 3: an end to ethnic supremacy. That's not americ It's.

897
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Speaker 1: One of those It is so insane and a friend

898
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Speaker 1: of the show, Michael Tracy Emily kept sharing this yesterday.

899
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Speaker 3: Is a banger every now and then.

900
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true, it's true GOP free speech. You can

901
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: say retarded again, but you can't protest his.

902
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's.

903
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Speaker 1: Where we're at right now. And you know we also

904
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Speaker 1: got to we can't left all RFK Junior off the hook.

905
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Speaker 1: Yeah either, Yeah, I mean.

906
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Speaker 3: And this is why credit K got you guys hammered

907
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: him pretty good. And this when you guys had him

908
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Speaker 3: on during the campaign, So our viewers would have did right.

909
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 3: But at least at least people who watch this show

910
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Speaker 3: are not surprised by what he just did.

911
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: No, anyone who pays attention should not be surprised, literally

912
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Speaker 1: at all. But yeah, you know that's where we are.

913
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Speaker 1: So he Tracy again with the banger. You have to

914
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Speaker 1: reread this statement a few times to appreciate how insane

915
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: it is. RFK has accepted he has to give up

916
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: on combating greenhouse gasts emissions. So the new greenhouse gas

917
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: is anti Semitism, and he's going to rid America of

918
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: this pestilence by building communities of trust that are based

919
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: on speech freedom as he is announcing an intergovernmental initiative

920
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: to regulate and punish the political speech that he right.

921
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: So here's what RFK, well, should't shouldn't it? Shouldn't we

922
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 3: cap shouldn't we cap it? And allow people to trade credits?

923
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, anti semitism credits. Yeah, that's a good, that's good.

924
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: Anti Semitism, like racism, is a spiritual and immoralady that

925
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: sickened societies and kills people with lethalities comparable to history's

926
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: deadliest plagues. In recent years, the censorship and false narratives

927
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: of woke cancel culture have transformed our great universities into

928
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: greenhouses for this deadly and virtulent pestilence. Making America healthy

929
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 1: again means building communities of trust and mutual respect based

930
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: on speech, freedom and open debate. And the Task Force

931
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: review is the first major action announced from the multi

932
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: agency Task Force to combat Anti Semitism created by President Trump.

933
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, obviously, by the way, I'm joking

934
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: a little bit about that, the trading credits, but we

935
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 3: actually already do have a market for anti semitism in

936
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: this country, and the trade works like this. You've seen

937
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 3: it happen a couple of times. Eli Musk has said

938
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: straight up anti Semitic stuff, and then he will.

939
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: You have spoken the actual truth?

940
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? Or no? Or yeah. If you spoken the

941
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 3: actual truth, I'm a great replacement. Yes, it's like straight

942
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: up unvarnished anti semitism. And the credit that you have

943
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 3: to do then is you have to take your support

944
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 3: for Israel up a couple higher notches and you have

945
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: to suppress Palestinian voices. So Musk got on the call

946
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Speaker 3: with Jonathan Greenblatt of ad L after he did this

947
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 3: unvarnished anti semitism, and he agreed to de platform you know,

948
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: a decent number of like pro Palestine voices, and green

949
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 3: Blat said, all right, we have a deal. You're you're exonerated.

950
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: He you know, he went to the Holocaust Museum, he

951
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: visited Israel when he did.

952
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: His Auschwitz with Ben Shapiro, and when he.

953
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 3: Did when he did his quote unquote Roman salute. I

954
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: forget exactly what he did to get grace from Yahoo,

955
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 3: but it was some you know, he ratcheted up his

956
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 3: support for Israel. So that's the trade that you do like.

957
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: And so that on the right you're seeing this like

958
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: you can do more anti Semitism, but you just have

959
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 3: to support Israel that much harder.

960
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Right smart?

961
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 8: Uh?

962
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh? And guess what they they when when you're

963
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: when you're sufficiently pro Israel, they let you do it.

964
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: Uh in the words of a wise man, the words.

965
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: Of a wise man. All right, Ryan, last thing here,

966
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: you've got a c f p B update.

967
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: What are you man? No this? So this, this one

968
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 3: is extra outrageous. So it combines the debate over the

969
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 3: CFPB and the the controversy around D banking. And maybe

970
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: it may all play may have a play it in

971
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 3: a minute, but probably everybody who's watching this heart has

972
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: already seen the Zuckerberg clip on Rogan, that Mark Andrewsen

973
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 3: clip on Rogan where Mark Andresen explains to him that

974
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 3: the you know the problem with the Bida mainministration and

975
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: the CFPP in particular is that it goes around you know,

976
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 3: D banking conservatives for their ideological views, and the audience

977
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: is just a gas that they would do this. Therefore,

978
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 3: we need to get rid of the the cfp B.

979
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 3: They subsequently do get rid of the CFPP. Now, what

980
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: what people probably know is that you know, in December,

981
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 3: you can put this up the CFPB past the rule,

982
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: finalize the rule that they've been working on for many

983
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: years and been getting pushback from big banks on the

984
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: finalize the rule that would bar D banking, and not

985
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 3: just from big banks but also from these digital payment apps.

986
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 3: And they set the threshold at you have at least

987
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: fifty million transactions. So the companies that this would pick

988
00:55:54,640 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: up would be Venmo, PayPal, Google, pay Apple, pay zell,

989
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 3: you know those types. Okay, So that rule, because the

990
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 3: banks had fought it, didn't really get past, didn't really

991
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 3: get implemented until the end of the by and era.

992
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: What that means is that it can be attacked through

993
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 3: what's called a CRA resolution to basically disapprove it. And

994
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 3: so what do we have now? Let me let me

995
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 3: put this up. Today at four o'clock in the United States,

996
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: Senate Republicans will be pushing forward a bill to specifically

997
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: repeal this D banking rule. So the argument was, and

998
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 3: it also doesn't need it doesn't need sixty votes, it

999
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 3: needs it only needs fifty. Yeah, because well, uh, this

1000
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: rule would also apply to Twitter and what's app. It

1001
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 3: would allow if if they start trading coin like right now,

1002
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: Twitter doesn't doesn't count because small businesses and other businesses

1003
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: are exempted. So like you know, Twitter does you know,

1004
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 3: work with what stripe to like pay it's its creators,

1005
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 3: but that doesn't get you under this rubric. But if

1006
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 3: Twitter starts allowing you to make payments person to person,

1007
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 3: they would be subject to this c IFB oversight. These companies, Zell, PayPal,

1008
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 3: all of these they don't they don't want they don't

1009
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: want this oversight. Cash app and so they've gone to

1010
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: Republicans and they have asked to have this this rule repealed.

1011
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: And the rule does two things. It's it's de banking

1012
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 3: is one, and the other is dispute resolution. Because there

1013
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: are laws in the books that say, if you're a

1014
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 3: financial institution, you have to easily let customers dispute transactions

1015
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 3: for obvious reasons. That's what we's what we as a

1016
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 3: public want. Like you look at something, you're like, that's fraud.

1017
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 3: I didn't do that. I want to be able to

1018
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: challenge it. And that is the law. But it's there's

1019
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: a gray area around whether or not these you know,

1020
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 3: PayPal has to abide by that law. And so this

1021
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 3: rule would be saying no PayPal, all these others venmoes

1022
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 3: like you have to abide by these rules. You can't

1023
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 3: debank people, and you have to have a dispute resolution

1024
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: for fraud, and obviously Denmo and PayPal, Zell these others,

1025
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 3: that's not in their interests. They want to be able

1026
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 3: to bank.

1027
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: Because for them, it's not about just about de banking.

1028
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 3: It's don't they want they want the freedom. Yeah, yeah,

1029
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 3: it's right.

1030
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: I get to do whatever I want to do. It's like,

1031
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: don't you don't We don't need you knocking around in

1032
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: our code or whatever. You know, just tell us what

1033
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: reporting requirements are. We'll send you your ten ninety nine

1034
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, but we don't need

1035
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: you looking around in our internal processes. And I mean,

1036
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: there's been so scammed. Yeah right, Yeah, I hope you

1037
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: don't get scammed. I hope, hope it worked out for

1038
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: you in terms of that. I mean, yeah, I mean,

1039
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: I can't be the only person who's had just terrible

1040
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: experiences both with Venmo, PayPal or any of these other places.

1041
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: Whenever you actually are either trying to dispute a fransaction

1042
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: or my personal favorite was like buying something and they

1043
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: were like, oh, you've got to turn off. It's a

1044
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: business purchase, you need to turn on friends and family, right,

1045
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: because this is the type of stuff which applies to it.

1046
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: But now it would be making it easier for them

1047
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: to not even have to offer oversight to make sure

1048
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: that their customers and their users not only get scammed,

1049
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: but most importantly, that they have sovereign ability to decide

1050
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: your ability to transact. And that's very important in a

1051
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: digital ecosystem and payment system that the government has an

1052
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: absolute standard that nobody, no matter your political beliefs or whatever,

1053
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: is allowed to trans is going to be banned from

1054
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: being able to transact unless they are explicitly violating the

1055
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: lat that's the most important thing.

1056
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 3: And just for fun, let's do a little bit of

1057
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 3: mark injuries and posit you can't get insurance, like, none

1058
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 3: of that stuff is you've been sanctioned, right, none of

1059
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 3: that stuff is available.

1060
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Speaker 9: And then this administration extended that concept, apply it to

1061
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 9: tech founders, crypto founders, and then just generally political opponents. Yeah,

1062
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 9: so that's that's been like super pernicious.

1063
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 6: I wasn't aware of.

1064
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 9: One hundred percent, and it's called's operation trip point one

1065
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 9: point zero was fifteen years ago against the pot the

1066
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 9: guns point two point zero is primarily enemies and then

1067
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Speaker 9: to their disfavored tech startups, and it's hit the tech

1068
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 9: world like we've hard. We've had like thirty founders debanked

1069
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Speaker 9: in the last four yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well here's Mark Injuries and tech founders who have gotten debanked.

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Speaker 3: Usually that's around some type of cartel activity or some

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Speaker 3: weird crypto like scam that they were involved in and

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Speaker 3: has nothing to do with the CMPB, but they but

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Speaker 3: Injuries and and Zuckerberg and these others very cleverly used

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Speaker 3: this like legitimate anger at the idea that conservatives could

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Speaker 3: be debanked for ideological reasons and channeled it at somebody

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Speaker 3: that they hate for their own reasons and successfully so

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Speaker 3: far new this agency. And meanwhile, the de banking rule

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Speaker 3: is going to get repealed I think this afternoon by

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Speaker 3: Senate Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Well, keep us updated, Ryan, this is why you're the goat.

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Speaker 1: You're the person who cracks all of these things. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to everybody. This was fun. I enjoyed doing the

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Speaker 1: Virtual bro show. Let's give another pound for the camera

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Speaker 1: and all of that. We will have a full breaking

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Speaker 1: points show for everybody tomorrow so we will see you all.

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Speaker 7: Then.

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Speaker 3: Joining us this morning is doctor Adam Hammaway and Representative

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Speaker 3: Bonnie Watson Coleman, the Democrat from New Jersey. Doctor Hammaway

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Speaker 3: was was Representative Watson Coleman's guest at last night's State

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Speaker 3: of the Union. He also returned from I believe your

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Speaker 3: second trip to your second recent trip to a god's

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Speaker 3: and medical mission about three weeks ago. So I wanted

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Speaker 3: to start by asking you, doctor Hamile, we just kind

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Speaker 3: of what it was what it was like to go

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Speaker 3: from three weeks ago being and I believe you were

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Speaker 3: having a difficult time, as is common for medical professionals

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Speaker 3: who go on missions to gods, getting back out, what

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Speaker 3: it was going, what it was like going from there

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Speaker 3: and being kind of on the receiving end of us

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Speaker 3: power and the unpleasant end of US power, to being

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Speaker 3: in the in the in the hall of that power.

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Speaker 3: What was the experience like for you last night?

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Speaker 7: Well, last night was interesting, I mean it was it

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Speaker 7: was disappointing to kind of see our democracy being like

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Speaker 7: in a situation where we are the pinnacle basically of

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Speaker 7: we're supposed to be leaders of this world, and I

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Speaker 7: felt I was in a room filled with school children

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Speaker 7: and you know, just uh, a bunch of psychophants just

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Speaker 7: clapping at everything that's to be said, whether it makes

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Speaker 7: sense or not. I mean, you know, there was a

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Speaker 7: lot of things that are good and there's a lot

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Speaker 7: of things that are bad, and if we can't discern

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Speaker 7: between either one of them, then everything begins to fall apart.

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Speaker 7: And it was very disappointing to see them.

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Speaker 3: And Congress, can I get your kind of inside take

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Speaker 3: a little bit on how Democrats decided that they were

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Speaker 3: going to approach his speech?

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Speaker 5: Was there?

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Speaker 3: Did al Green say in a meeting, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to stand up and shake my cane and

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Speaker 3: let him know, or like, did leadership talk about protests,

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Speaker 3: like how did that sort out? And what was your

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Speaker 3: thinking about it?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? Not in my presence did Agreen say that he

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Speaker 8: was going to do what he did. Leadership just wanted

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Speaker 8: us to be respectful.

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Speaker 7: That is our house and to.

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Speaker 9: Listen.

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Speaker 8: Leadership knew that there would be some level of protests

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Speaker 8: in some way, shape or form asket and not be.

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Speaker 7: Terribly disruptive. And I think that.

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Speaker 8: With the exception of the Algreen situation, which kind of

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01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 8: got out of hand, But I certainly understand his emotion

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Speaker 8: behind it. I think that things were put pretty orderly.

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Speaker 8: We decided we were just going to sit quietly listen.

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Speaker 8: Some of us had signs that spoke to either fixing

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Speaker 8: something like medicaid or or saying false because the statement

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Speaker 8: that the President was making rather frequently actually his statements

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Speaker 8: were not accurate. But all in all, I think that

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Speaker 8: given this moment, given the severity of the things that

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Speaker 8: this administration has done and has proposed to do, I

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Speaker 8: think Democrats did just fine.

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Speaker 3: And doctor, you know, when when you get written about

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01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 3: occasionally in the press sometimes for you know, being unable

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01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 3: to leave Gaza, you will be You'll often be referred

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Speaker 3: to as having kind of been the doctor that saved

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Speaker 3: or worked on Senator Tammy Duckworth when when she had

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Speaker 3: her helicopter crash in Iraq. And I'm curious if that,

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Speaker 3: if a you were able to speak with her last night,

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01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: do you stay in pretty close touch with her? And

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Speaker 3: has that given you the ability to speak more directly

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01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 3: to members of Congress about you know, what you've what

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Speaker 3: you've seen on the ground, and does that just not

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Speaker 3: matter now that Democrats are out of power and Trump

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Speaker 3: is the one calling the shots.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I wasn't able to see her yesterday. I

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01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 7: think the uh. I mean, I'm proud of what I

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Speaker 7: did and and you know, it's great that we have

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Speaker 7: that relationship. But you know, my ability really to speak

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Speaker 7: with anyone with with in Congress is there willingness to listen.

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Speaker 7: So I I've been you know, back and forth here

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Speaker 7: now many times over the last year, and I'll talk

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Speaker 7: to anyone who'll sit down and have a conversation. So

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Speaker 7: if they open their doors and they want to listen,

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Speaker 7: whether they agree or not, I'll sit down and talk.

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Speaker 7: And unfortunately, what I've been finding is that more and

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Speaker 7: more doors are just closed. They don't want to heap

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Speaker 7: them here. And that's unfortunate because that's not how we're

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Speaker 7: going to learn or change or move forward if we're

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Speaker 7: not able to listen.

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Speaker 6: To each other.

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Speaker 3: Can you what do you mean by the doors are closed?

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Speaker 3: Like people are just they want to move past this

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Speaker 3: entire situation, like.

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Speaker 7: What They don't want to listen to what I have

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Speaker 7: to say. They don't want to listen to my experience.

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Speaker 7: They don't want to hear another opinion or thought about

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Speaker 7: what's happening in Gaza or Israel.

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Speaker 3: So what is what is the difference under this quote

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Speaker 3: unquote ceasefire under which we've seen hundreds of people killed,

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Speaker 3: But what is how would you describe the difference in

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Speaker 3: your visit, your most recent mission compared to the one

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Speaker 3: while the hot war, so to speak, was on.

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Speaker 7: It was night and day. I mean it was night

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Speaker 7: and day. I went in about a week after the

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Speaker 7: ceasefire started, and you know, it was such a low

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Speaker 7: bar to clear, is to stop dropping bombs on everyone.

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Speaker 7: You know, still there's a lot of destruction there, there's

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Speaker 7: a lot of shortages, there's a lack of resources, there's

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Speaker 7: no electricity, there's no clean water, so conditions are relatively horrible.

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Speaker 7: But compared to last year, it was, you know, like

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Speaker 7: the sun just finally like shone on the place. And

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Speaker 7: it's unfortunate that now as we speak, is that you know,

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Speaker 7: already Israel's breaking the ceasefire and for the last two

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Speaker 7: or three days there's been no humanitarian aid allowed to

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Speaker 7: go in. And even since before this last two days,

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Speaker 7: it's been even more difficult for doctors and nurses and

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Speaker 7: healthcare workers to get into Israel and into the Gaza,

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Speaker 7: to be able to provide that aid. They're making it

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01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 7: more and more difficult. They're turning more people away, and

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Speaker 7: they're giving even more restrictions. So this is you know,

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Speaker 7: you know, this has been ongoing now for the last

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Speaker 7: six weeks, even you know, to a higher degree than

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Speaker 7: than before.

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Speaker 3: And Israel had let in some additional supplies medical and

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Speaker 3: food and others at the beginning of the quote unquote ceasefire.

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Speaker 3: Did that have a noticeable impact on your working conditions

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Speaker 3: in the hospital?

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Speaker 7: Yes, I mean there was food that came in. Prices

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Speaker 7: dropped tremendously, like ten times, like you know, for example,

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Speaker 7: like some you know, one of the nurses was showing

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Speaker 7: me like a bag of tomatoes and said that this

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Speaker 7: bag of tomatoes last week cost fifty US dollars and

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01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 7: now it's five and five is still a lot, but

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Speaker 7: now it's at least affordable. And that's just food to

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01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 7: be able to put on the table. So the you know,

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Speaker 7: that aid that comes in is critical and it affects

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01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 7: our care. I mean for people to be able to heal,

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Speaker 7: they need to be able to eat and have nutriden

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Speaker 7: and it's important. I mean, I got people were literally starving.

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Speaker 7: You can see people that have lost like forty pounds,

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Speaker 7: fifty pounds. You see their pictures and you can't recognize

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Speaker 7: what they used.

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Speaker 6: To look like.

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Speaker 7: And the children they're just like you know, you know,

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Speaker 7: you could see the amount nutrition everywhere you look. And

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Speaker 7: now with Ramadon is even especially important because you know,

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01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 7: people are having just one meal a day, and I'm

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Speaker 7: sure with these new restrictions, those prices just jump right

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01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 7: back up and people again can't even if there's food available,

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Speaker 7: they can't buy what's on the market because the prices

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Speaker 7: are so high.

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Speaker 3: Did you treat any Palestinian captives who were released as

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Speaker 3: part of the exchange and what kind of patients were

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Speaker 3: you seeing this time versus last time?

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Speaker 7: So I was I was not in a hospital that

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01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 7: received the path at the CAP, but I did take

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01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 7: care of a lot of patients that had, you know,

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01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 7: back up, you know, were backed up from the last

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01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 7: year and a half. A lot of children that were

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Speaker 7: born with congenital deformities, cleft lifts and cleft palots over

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01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 7: the last two years that hadn't received any care. A

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01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 7: lot of the war injuries that you know, people received

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01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 7: from shrapnel, contractus, scarring that needed revision surgeries to take

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01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 7: care of. So it was more of a normal experience

1247
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 7: than what I had last year when it was just

1248
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 7: one trauma after the other, but still a tremendous amount

1249
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Speaker 7: of work that needed.

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Speaker 3: To be done and represented Watson collmen. When you see this,

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01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 3: you see Israel out breaking the ceasefire, it's threatening, you know,

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01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 3: cutting off electricity, you know, using starvation as a as

1253
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Speaker 3: a as a weapon to try to extract additional concessions

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01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 3: beyond what was originally agreed to. And you see Trump

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01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 3: talking about building Trump Riviera in Gaza. Are you sensing

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01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 3: any regret among your colleagues in Congress that they didn't

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01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 3: do anything to stop this while they had the opportunity,

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Speaker 3: And do they think it cost them politically? In other words,

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01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 3: do they care? Are they just moving past this?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 8: One of the reasons that I wanted the doctor to

1262
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 8: come and be my guest is because with so many distractions,

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01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 8: with all the sort of evil eos and things like

1264
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 8: that that Trump was putting out in the Doge mess

1265
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 8: and the lies and all, and even the Ukraine stuff,

1266
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 8: all of a sudden we weren't hearing anything. After he

1267
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Speaker 8: talked about making Palestine the riviera of.

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Speaker 7: The Middle East.

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Speaker 8: We weren't hearing anything kind of doubled down on that,

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01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 8: which is ridiculous. I thought it was really important to

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01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 8: bring the doctor here again so that he could really

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01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 8: talk about what's happening in real time there. I don't

1273
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 8: know what you mean when you say we could have

1274
01:11:53,760 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 8: made a difference. You know, obviously it wasn't. We were

1275
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 8: being assertive enough, from my perspective, to get Israel to

1276
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 8: back down at some point.

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01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 7: Israel had a right to.

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01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 8: Protect itself when this first went down, but we saw

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01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 8: the kind of harshness that didn't seem to be necessary

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01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 8: and didn't seem to move towards a two state solution

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01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 8: or a peaceful solution. So that was very disappointing to me.

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01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 8: Do I wish we had done more in that regard, Yes,

1283
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:39,759
Speaker 8: but it's a very complicated issue. We had very stubborn

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01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 8: leadership there in net In Yahoo didn't think he had

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Speaker 8: to answer to anyone, And at the same time, I

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Speaker 8: don't think that the United States was.

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Speaker 7: Tough enough on him.

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Speaker 8: To make him sort of change course a bit and

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Speaker 8: be more willing to meet and to create some pathway

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Speaker 8: to to safety and security. However, I don't believe that

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Speaker 8: Hamas was legitimately willing to do that either, So I

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Speaker 8: think that there was a distraction and dishonesty on both parts.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've got to leave it there. We were going

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Speaker 3: to talk a little bit longer. We just to let

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Speaker 3: the let the viewers in on it. Democracy now wanted

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Speaker 3: to speak with you and doctor Hammiwey as well, and

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Speaker 3: we uh in independent media would like to be a

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Speaker 3: little more collaborative than than competitive. So I want to

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Speaker 3: let you go so you can get over and we're

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Speaker 3: happy to have you on again. We can talk more

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Speaker 3: at length about about all of this. So thank thank

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Speaker 3: you doctor Hamiway, and thank you doctor Watson Coombe. Thank

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Speaker 3: you Congressman Watson Coombe.