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Speaker 1: So this was an extraordinary poll that came out. It's

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Speaker 1: an outlier, all caveats, but this was pretty eye opening.

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Speaker 1: Put d one up on the screen. This new Marist

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Speaker 1: pole has Democrats with a fourteen point lead on the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six generic ballot. That would be equivalent to

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Speaker 1: something like a seventy seat pickup and is the highest

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Speaker 1: you know, generic ballot deficit that they've read a share

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Speaker 1: like I said, definitely an outlier. However, if you look

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Speaker 1: at the average of the generic ballot polling over the

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Speaker 1: past even just over the past month, it has shifted

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Speaker 1: more and more towards the Democratic side. And of course

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Speaker 1: we saw what happened in the off Your elections were

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Speaker 1: there seems to be somewhat of a bottom falling out

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Speaker 1: right now for Republicans over a whole variety of concerns.

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Speaker 1: And at the same time, Trump's own approval rating has

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Speaker 1: also been falling significantly, including in this recent Fox News poll.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and take a listen to them covering.

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Speaker 3: That President Trump's approval rating falling to thirty eight percent.

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Speaker 3: That is the lowest it's been in his second term.

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Speaker 3: People are unhappy with Trump's handling of consumer prizes, and yes,

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Speaker 3: this mean Trump's affordability messaging isn't working yet?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. Stewart, And this is

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a variety of factors that go

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Speaker 1: You've seen a decline of Trump's improve approval rating even

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Speaker 1: that amount of slippage within the Republican part already is significant.

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Speaker 1: But sagara, if you look at that first Maris pool,

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Speaker 2: Right now, Yeah, that groceries. Let's stick on the grocery thing.

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Speaker 2: a pass Good Luck Christmas, you know, for real, though,

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Speaker 2: it's one of those where it's not just the promise,

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Speaker 2: I think they have the identical poll numbers. It really

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Speaker 2: even very good at foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: That's all he spends most of his time about.

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Speaker 2: He's not doing anything about all of these problems that

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Speaker 2: part is the party apparatus around Trump is, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: They're all just posting about this bullshit from charts, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: It's impossible to get away from. So they're gonna sink.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna sink. I don't, and there's no internal mechanism

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Speaker 2: it's too late, as George W. Bush, Okay, by that point,

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Speaker 2: you're a joke. And then now the twenty twenty eight

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Speaker 1: Begun, let's take a look at this next element. This

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Speaker 1: was a Marquette Law School pole now on their generic

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Speaker 1: congressional ballot, just to again give you a sense that

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Speaker 1: the other one is definitely an outlier. But they have

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Speaker 1: So Trump realized seemingly a while ago, like things were

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Speaker 1: Stuff on the asarment number of times as he really

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Speaker 1: Well let's get to another one of the Trump administration's

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Speaker 2: and judges literally laughing at them. And look, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm not defending James Comy. I think James Comy is

433
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Speaker 2: a sack of shit. All right, We've covered it here before,

434
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Speaker 2: even in terms of the charges against him. I'm like, look,

435
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Speaker 2: I actually think there might be something there, and especially

436
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Speaker 2: with the way that he handled himself, not just with Trump,

437
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Speaker 2: with Hillary, that whole thing I was there. I covered

438
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Speaker 2: it was insane, the way that he handled that entire

439
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Speaker 2: case Russiagate as well, Like, this is not a man

440
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Speaker 2: whose hands are clean, of course, though they go after him,

441
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Speaker 2: you know, in the most clownish, buffoonish way possible, and

442
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Speaker 2: are now making it so that the judge very may

443
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Speaker 2: well throw out this entire thing because of their own idiocy.

444
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Speaker 2: And so this kind of gets to I remember Liberals

445
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Speaker 2: would always be upset with Merrit Garland and others for

446
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Speaker 2: incompetently pursuing those cases against Trump. This is the same

447
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Speaker 2: if you are upset with Comy about Russiagate, at which

448
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Speaker 2: I am still am.

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Speaker 1: It was bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's horrible, the Hillary thing, the emails case. I

451
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Speaker 2: will never forget that press conference about Hillary in October.

452
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Speaker 2: If you're a Hillary supporter, you should be mad. I mean,

453
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Speaker 2: by the way, she clearly was guilty of sin in

454
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Speaker 2: the fact that in charge, he is still ridiculous. Whatever

455
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Speaker 2: it's been, you know, eight or so years, but the

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Speaker 2: way he handled that way he handled everything. If you're

457
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Speaker 2: gonna go after him, then you have to do it right.

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Speaker 2: He's a multi millionaire with great lawyers in the entire

459
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Speaker 2: liberal establishment behind him. He can't fuck things up with

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Speaker 2: basic rudimentary errors which literally make it bit clownish and

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Speaker 2: have it so a federal judge, by the way, in Alexandria, Virginia,

462
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Speaker 2: where already you know, look, I literally live there. Okay,

463
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Speaker 2: none of my neighbors are voting to convict James Comb.

464
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Speaker 2: He could be guilty as shit, they still wouldn't convicted her.

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Speaker 2: But even if you know so, you were going up

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Speaker 2: against strong hit headwinds. Anyways, and now you know, looking

467
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Speaker 2: at the way that this is, it probably won't even

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Speaker 2: make it to.

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Speaker 1: Trial, So yeah, what it's looking platic And look, on

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Speaker 1: the other hand, you know, maybe they always thought that

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Speaker 1: this would fail or didn't really care and just wanted

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Speaker 1: to like send a signal. You know, if you are

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Speaker 1: less of a media figure and less wealthy than Jim Comey,

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Speaker 1: and this is I'm sure not fun for Jim Comy either,

475
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Speaker 1: by the way, but he's going to be fine. You know,

476
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Speaker 1: if you're someone who is less well positioned and can't

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Speaker 1: get the guy who you know, presented over one hundred

478
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Speaker 1: cases of the Supreme Court to be your lawyer, if

479
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Speaker 1: you're not in that position, then you still see their

480
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Speaker 1: behavior and the way you know they're digging up. They're

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Speaker 1: now trying to charge Eric Swalwell with this mortgage broad

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Speaker 1: stuff and Letitia James and obviously they already went after

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Speaker 1: Comy for this thing, which, by the to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, the way this case has come out has

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Speaker 1: made me feel like there was less there there with

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Speaker 1: Jim Comy, Like it's making me, in my opinion, him

487
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Speaker 1: look more innocent than he actually looked before that before

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Speaker 1: they tried to charge him and tried to indict him here.

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Speaker 1: But in any case, you know, maybe the message is

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Speaker 1: just an attempt to send a message. Maybe it's just

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Speaker 1: an attempt to scare people. And they didn't even really

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Speaker 1: care that much whether it succeeded at trial. They just

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Speaker 1: wanted to like exact as much pain on him as

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Speaker 1: they could and send a message to their opposition. But

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look like this is going to get too

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Speaker 1: far onto the gates here, which is I guess a

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Speaker 1: good thing to see.

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Speaker 2: Looking bad looking bad indeed, And it's one of those

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Speaker 2: where you know, this big clownish behavior just makes it

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Speaker 2: so that I mean, first of all, you know what

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Speaker 2: about double Jeopardy all the other things you know that

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Speaker 2: you could look previously if you actually do care about

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Speaker 2: accountability for these types of individuals, doing it this way.

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Speaker 5: Just the worst possible.

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Speaker 2: All right, we got a good guest standing by Ross Barkin.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to it, all right, guys.

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Speaker 1: So there's a whole lot of zoron stuff going on.

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Speaker 1: He's supposed to meet with President Trump, he's blocking endorsements,

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Speaker 1: all kinds of things that are happening. Also, other New

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Speaker 1: York City primary challenges coming from the left. So to

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Speaker 1: break all of this down the perfect person, Ross Barkin,

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Speaker 1: who is an expert on all of these things and

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Speaker 1: is a calmness for New York magazine. Great to see you, Ross,

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Speaker 1: Good to see you man.

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Speaker 5: Excited to be on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, So let's put the Trump truth up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. Here the announcement that he's meeting with

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Speaker 1: the communist mayor of New York City. He says Zoron,

519
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Speaker 1: Kwame Mamdani has asked for a meeting. We've agreed that

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Speaker 1: this meeting will take place at the Oval Office on Friday,

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Speaker 1: November twenty first, That would be tomorrow. Further details to follow.

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Speaker 1: Zoron was on with Chris Hayes over on MSNBC and

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Speaker 1: he was asked about this visit. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: take a listen to that. Mo'm Donnie, and nice to

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Speaker 1: have you here, mister mayor elect.

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Speaker 7: Good to vig here, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: Is the is the Trump? Is the White House meeting real?

528
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Speaker 5: Who knows what's real these days? But do you understand

529
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Speaker 5: it as a real thing.

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Speaker 7: We did reach out to the White House, and my

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Speaker 7: team reached out because of a commitment that I made

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Speaker 7: to New Yorkers that I would be willing to meet

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Speaker 7: with anyone and everyone, so long as it was to

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Speaker 7: the benefit of eight and a half million people who

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Speaker 7: call the city home and their struggle to afford the

536
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Speaker 7: most expensive city United States of America.

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Speaker 1: So Ross, what do you think about this move from Zoran?

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Speaker 6: Do you have to do it right? I think it

539
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Speaker 6: makes sense. You know, he is the incoming mayor. Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump is the president of the United States, and I

541
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Speaker 6: think you know, there are ways to deal with Trump,

542
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Speaker 6: and I think one of the ways to do it

543
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Speaker 6: is to really.

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Speaker 5: Hit him head on.

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Speaker 6: I think you meet with him, you can certainly stand

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Speaker 6: up to in public. I think the governor of New York,

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Speaker 6: Kathy Hokels, had some success wrangling with Trump and that

548
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Speaker 6: they talk on the phone fairly frequently. And at least

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Speaker 6: for now, there hasn't been a National Guard encourasion into

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Speaker 6: New York City. I mean see having ice agents running around,

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Speaker 6: So you know, I think it's a natural move to

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Speaker 6: make you have the meeting. You see where it goes.

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Speaker 6: You check, you check Trump's temperature, and of course they're

554
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Speaker 6: going to be fights. It's going to get volatile. But

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Speaker 6: I do think you at least start off from a place

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Speaker 6: of some cordiality. You hope that Trump will not make

557
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Speaker 6: your life overly difficult, though the reality is he probably

558
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Speaker 6: will anyway.

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Speaker 5: But it doesn't hurt to take a meeting.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if how Cole advised him. Actually, yeah, mentioned that.

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Speaker 1: I wonder about this.

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Speaker 2: Ross. I feel like it could be to his political

563
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Speaker 2: benefit to get into a fight with Trump. I mean,

564
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Speaker 2: he made a big portion of his campaign speech Trump

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Speaker 2: turn up the volume and.

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Speaker 5: All of that.

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Speaker 2: Why, you know be you know, look what happened with Whitmer,

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Speaker 2: Look what happened with all of these other politicians who

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Speaker 2: have met with Trump and kind of seen is kissing

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Speaker 2: his ass. I mean going in there and you know,

571
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Speaker 2: quote confronting him or making a scene would almost certainly

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Speaker 2: backfire on the city.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure I really understand this well. I think

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Speaker 5: it's there's two factors of play.

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Speaker 6: One hand, Yes, you know, battling Trump can lift your

576
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Speaker 6: political standing. You start with Karen Bass in Los Angeles,

577
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Speaker 6: where her career is really recessitated after the guards showed

578
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Speaker 6: up there, and the same can happen for Zorn Bomdani

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Speaker 6: as well. I think at least having a meeting with

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Speaker 6: the President at the outset before you take office.

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Speaker 5: Is not hurtful to his brand.

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Speaker 6: It's not destructive, and maybe it pays some dividends, maybe

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Speaker 6: not at all.

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Speaker 5: It may pay nothing.

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Speaker 6: But I think you know that Kathy Holkl has spoken

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Speaker 6: with Trump on the phone many times, she's gone to

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Speaker 6: the old office. She still combats them in public. They're

588
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Speaker 6: not friendly. But I think it's it's an inside outside strategy.

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Speaker 6: I think Zorn is not going to stop being anti

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Speaker 6: Trump banning means, or stop calling out his many destructive policies.

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Speaker 6: But I think, you know, pursuing insider outsider strategy is

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Speaker 6: not the worst thing to do.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we'll see what comes.

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Speaker 1: Up comes up. A Scheinbaum in Mexico is another one

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Speaker 1: who's you know, played this game and you know has

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Speaker 1: it seems to have. Trump seems to like her. They

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Speaker 1: seem to have a good working relationship, even though you

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Speaker 1: know she stands up for Mexico sovereignty when and how

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Speaker 1: she needs to. I also think, you know, it could

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Speaker 1: be kind of a political ploy to show, look, I

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Speaker 1: reached out, I was ready to work together. My bottom

602
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Speaker 1: line is, I don't care whether we're political adversaries. I'm

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Speaker 1: just trying to deliver for the people of New York.

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Speaker 1: So I think that maybe how he's trying to play it.

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Speaker 1: But it's going to be very very interesting to see

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Speaker 1: what comes out of this meeting and what impression is

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Speaker 1: given by the present what he has to say about

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Speaker 1: the meeting after this. I also wanted to to ask

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Speaker 1: you about the latest with regard to Zoron and ch Osa,

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Speaker 1: who is a DSA member, although my Er Shay is

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Speaker 1: relatively new DSA member who's announced a primary challenge against

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Speaker 1: Hakeem Jeffries. And you might think that Zoron, being the

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Speaker 1: insurgent leftist, would be like, let's go and they have

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Speaker 1: a you know, a relationship as well of trust from

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Speaker 1: the past to build on. But instead, not only has

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Speaker 1: he not endorsed Cheese bid, but he actively went to

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Speaker 1: a DSA meeting last night to speak out against DSA

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Speaker 1: endorsing Chi in his bid against Hakim Jeffries. Zorn was

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Speaker 1: asked about this recently. This was before he went to

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Speaker 1: that meeting, by the way, but about why he is

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Speaker 1: backing Hikim Jeffries in this primary fight. This is F three.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and listen to that.

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Speaker 8: Let me talk about Haike Jeffries for a moment, who

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Speaker 8: now may face a challenge from Chosa, who is a

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Speaker 8: member of the DSA. You said that there are local

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Speaker 8: issues that mister Osa should be focused on, maybe should

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Speaker 8: remain a counselman. Are you saying he should not run

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Speaker 8: against Hakim Jeffries?

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Speaker 7: Now, I'm saying that I think the focus should be

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Speaker 7: right here on New York City. I respect the work

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Speaker 7: that Council Member Osa has done.

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Speaker 5: It what does that mean should he not run?

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Speaker 7: I think that right now is not the time to

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Speaker 7: be engaging in that kind of a primary. I think

635
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Speaker 7: the focus should be on delivering on this affordability agenda.

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Speaker 1: So tell us about this perspective. Tell us about this

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Speaker 1: meeting last night, Like, what the hell is going on here? U?

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Speaker 5: I do you think Zoron was being a little mealy mouthed.

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Speaker 6: I'll speak in a way where I'll speak having spoken

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Speaker 6: to members of DSA myself and getting a sense of

641
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Speaker 6: how they feel, longtime members, it's that they don't feel

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Speaker 6: Chosa is a genuine member of the essay to start with,

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Speaker 6: he only joined a few months ago. There's a feeling

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Speaker 6: that he's somewhat I don't want to use the word usurper.

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Speaker 6: But he's someone who's glombing on very recently. You look

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Speaker 6: at also the Primarychosa was a bit of a late

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Speaker 6: backer Zorn. He actually co endorsed with Brad Lander. You know,

648
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Speaker 6: he hopped on the bandwagon. That's fine.

649
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Speaker 5: I think talking to the members I've talked to.

650
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 6: The way they look at it is they want to

651
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 6: focus on the state legislature or potentially on Dan Goldman,

652
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 6: and they feel like Kakeen Jeffries, while they would love

653
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 6: to get rid of him, it's not really a winnable fight.

654
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 6: It's a district where Zorn did well in the primary,

655
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 6: but not He won that district, but not overwhelmingly. So

656
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 6: there's a real strategic question of can you defeat Hakim Jeffries,

657
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 6: who is not scandal scarred right, who does not have really,

658
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 6: you know, true weaknesses beyond the politics themselves, in a

659
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 6: pretty diverse district where he has to support for a

660
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 6: middle class, working class black voters, can you go in

661
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 6: and beat him. There's a faction of DSA that says, yes,

662
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 6: we have to do this. Hakim Jeffries is against us.

663
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 6: There's another faction that feels this isn't that strategic, and

664
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Speaker 6: I do think Zoron is, you know, using his early

665
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 6: clout to try to steer the DSAY more strategically. I

666
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 6: do expect him to back other insurgents, other primary challengers.

667
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 6: You know, the reality is he's going to be mayor

668
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 6: of New York. Hakim Jeffries could be Speaker at the

669
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 6: House in twenty twenty seven, sitting there in Brooklyn. And

670
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Speaker 6: while Hakim Jeffries is in Share Your Politics, he's got

671
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Speaker 6: to represent the entire Democratic Caucus, and you know, like

672
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 6: a Pelosi, he could be pushed in different directions.

673
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 5: So I get it. I get where he's coming from.

674
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Speaker 6: I don't think he's messaging it publicly the best way

675
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 6: I would say for Zoron, but.

676
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 5: I think there's logic to.

677
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 6: Dissuading OSAY or at least saying you can run, but

678
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 6: the DSSAY is not going to support you.

679
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 5: You run, Let's see what happens.

680
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 6: And the reality is he probably won't win, and Zoron

681
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 6: needs Jeffries.

682
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 5: He heeds at least the Democratic leadership.

683
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 6: He's in a strong but also vulnerable position as a

684
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 6: thirty four year old new mayor, so I understand where

685
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 6: he's coming from.

686
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 5: But I also see why a lot on the left

687
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 5: would question it for it that way.

688
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Speaker 1: Yeah, these are the realities of power. Yeah, I mean,

689
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Speaker 1: I also I understand his logic. However, I disagree with

690
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: it strategically because you know, I think we've seen some

691
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: similar calculus from AOC where it's like, Okay, I'm here,

692
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to play the inside game, and I don't

693
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: think that that has really borne fruit. So from my perspective,

694
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: you have to use the power that you have to

695
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: effectively sort of like coerce and bully these people because

696
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: they will stab you in the back the moment that

697
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: they have the chance. Like heem, Jefferies does not endorse

698
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: or on until what like two days before the primary.

699
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: It was incredibly passive aggressive. And so even if you

700
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: think thatsa can't win and we could go and put

701
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: F four up on the screen, Micha Lang did a

702
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: bunch of analysis backing up what you're saying that this

703
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: would be very very difficult in order to be able

704
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: to actually pull up the upset here. But even if

705
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Speaker 1: you think that he can't win, the fact of him

706
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: being in the primary pushes Jeffries. I mean, we see

707
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: the way Hochel has had to like sort of bend

708
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: and adjust and accommodate Zorn's politics for herself in order to,

709
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Speaker 1: you know, make sure that Antonio Delgado doesn't have a

710
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Speaker 1: shot at taking her in a primary. So I feel

711
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: like that primary is really valuable, even if you think

712
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: it's a long shot to be able to win. Yeah.

713
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Speaker 5: I think that's a fair point.

714
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Speaker 6: I think it's two schools of thought, right that there's

715
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 6: the school I just gave, which is sort of maybe

716
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 6: the more moderate DSA members plus they're on have you know,

717
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 6: you're giving the view that it's kind of the the

718
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 6: in a way that the Trump approached the Republican Party,

719
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 6: which has largely been successful for Trump. I mean, leftists

720
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 6: can only dream of dominating the Democratic Party the way

721
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 6: MAGA still holds total sway over Republicans.

722
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 5: So it's a fair counter argument.

723
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Speaker 6: I think I see it that if you run Osay,

724
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 6: you can really pressure Jeffries. My sense is there's just

725
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 6: some skepticism of Osay himself within DSA. It almost may

726
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 6: even come down to that thatsa were as they say,

727
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 6: cadre DSA, where he's someone who like Zoron or other

728
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 6: members who had been a part of it for many years.

729
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 6: They feel more enthusiastic about him. I think there's a

730
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 6: feeling that he's a bit of a you know, he's

731
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 6: coming to the party very late, doesn't really share the

732
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 6: values of the organization. He wants the endorsement because he

733
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 6: wants to run and he wants the attention. But I

734
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 6: think you're also right in that OS could be a

735
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 6: valuable piece of leverage over someone like Jeffrey, enforce them

736
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 6: to the left. And there's no doubt politicians response to

737
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 6: power that is true.

738
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Speaker 2: I'm also curious, you know, Ross, I saw a report

739
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: that Zoran was kind of dealing with some of the

740
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: anti Zionists within DSA. I'm just curious, you know, how

741
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: that's manifesting in terms of staffing, Like, what does the

742
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: current selection process this is when you know, the nitty

743
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 2: gritty gets real, the transition team, the staffers, who's coming

744
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: into the administration.

745
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: What's that looking like right now?

746
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 5: So so far, you've seen a mix.

747
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 6: You've seen him reappoint Jessica Tish, who was appointed by

748
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 6: Eric Adams and is at best a political moderate. You know,

749
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 6: she's certainly a Zionist and she's a billionaire and she's

750
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 6: very well liked by the business community. So there you

751
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 6: have a you know, concession capitulationever you want to call

752
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 6: it to moderates in the business faction. At the same time,

753
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 6: he's appointed as his chief of staff el Viscard Church,

754
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 6: who is his age, who is his old Assembly chief

755
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 6: of staff, who is in every way cadre DSA. You know,

756
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 6: she's a believer. He's appointed a first mayor in Dean Foolhan.

757
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 6: Who splits the difference, I would say between Tish and

758
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 6: Elle where fool a hand. He was Deblasio's first deputy mayor.

759
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 6: He also worked for the Assembly Speaker, Shelley Silver for

760
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 6: many years. He's very much a man of institutions. He's

761
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 6: in the seventies. He has a lot of experience with budgets,

762
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 6: but he also has a progressive streak. He's sort of

763
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 6: more center left. So I think so far you're seeing

764
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 6: a real mix. I think you're going to see members

765
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 6: of DSA elevate in this administration.

766
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 5: That is inarguable.

767
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 6: At the same time you going to see an administration

768
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 6: I do believe of experience and competence, and that is

769
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 6: very important for a young mayor like him, especially coming

770
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 6: off of four years of chaos and corruption with Eric Adams.

771
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 5: You've got to run clean, good government.

772
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 6: The Left has had very few chances at executive choule

773
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 6: executive power, so of all eyes across the country, world

774
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 6: will be on him. So it's very important to avoid scandal,

775
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 6: to not get tripped up, to not be self defeating,

776
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 6: like Brandon Johnson in Chicago for example. So I do

777
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 6: expect a pretty strong and confident administration, and so far

778
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 6: you've seen his appointments a real ideological mix the left,

779
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 6: i'd say, sort of center left and on the right

780
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 6: with Jessica Tish.

781
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the stakes. I'm sure he feels the

782
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: stakes are very high for his political project because you know,

783
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: if when it's Eric Adams and he's you know, center

784
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: right effectively and he sucks and he fails, no one says,

785
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: oh well, centrists can't govern. But when it's the left,

786
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: if they fail, and especially with Oran being so high profile,

787
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: then it's oh see, you can't trust these people with power,

788
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: and this is an indictment of the entire political project.

789
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: So you know, the stakes are I think he's right

790
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: to perceive the stakes here are incredibly high, not just

791
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: obviously for the City of New York, but more broadly

792
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: for DSA and DSA aligned candidates. I wanted to ask

793
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: you more broadly about what's going on in New York City.

794
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: There's so many primary challengers that are jumping in. I'm

795
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: having trouble keeping track. Richie Torus has drawn a couple

796
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: of primary challengers. You have the primary challenge pi Keen Jeffries.

797
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I saw Espayet is expected to get a challenger. I

798
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: think Grace meng is that her name has also gotten

799
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: a challenger. Very likely Brad Lander is going to get

800
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: in against Dan Goldman, and I think Goldman will get crushed.

801
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: You can tell me if you think that I'm wrong

802
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: about that. I may be missing others. But you know,

803
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: what do you make of this? This has got to

804
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: be a Zorn effect in New York specifically, and we're

805
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: seeing echoes of this truly across the country in so

806
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: many races. Again, I can't keep track of the number

807
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: of people that I'm seeing who have very similar politics,

808
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: who are coming out of nowhere to jump into primaries

809
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: and challenge power. So what do you see there in

810
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: New York in terms of the energy on the ground.

811
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Speaker 5: There's no doubt.

812
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 6: It's a Zorn effect that actually reminds me the thought

813
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 6: from AOC in twenty eighteen, where you saw in twenty

814
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 6: twenty a lot of primary challengers, and you saw even

815
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 6: you know, the state legislative primary candidates in twenty eight

816
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 6: team get a real boost from AOC's victory over Crowley.

817
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 6: So I think that those currents are back. The challenges

818
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 6: are a mix. I think the most viable by far

819
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 6: as the one against Dan Goldman. I believe if Lander

820
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 6: gets in, he will win. There is some consternation that

821
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 6: there could be vote splitting. If also there's a DSA

822
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 6: City council member, Lexa Vilis who is interested in running,

823
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 6: they'll probably, my guess is Lander and her will come

824
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 6: to an arrangement and one of them will run. Because

825
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 6: there is no rank choice voting for congressional primaries, there

826
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 6: will be votes wasted if you have two insurgent challengers.

827
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Speaker 6: So you know, Goldman just sitting on a district that

828
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 6: is much more progressive than he is.

829
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 5: That's the reality of it.

830
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 6: And I do expect Lander in the end to be

831
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 6: his sole prominent challenger, and I do expect him to

832
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 6: win the others are more interesting. I mean Richie Torres

833
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 6: in one hand, certainly to the right of his district.

834
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 6: His challenger, Michael Blake, has run for office many times,

835
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 6: including a run for mayor, including a run for that district.

836
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 6: He's largely been uns successful, so the question is can he,

837
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 6: you know, find momentum and win.

838
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 5: Grace may is interesting out in central Queens.

839
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Speaker 6: Her district is actually fairly moderate, so I'm not convinced

840
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 6: she can get beaten from the left. I don't know

841
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 6: much about the spot challenge yet. That's an interesting one too.

842
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 6: I mean, he's fairly strong in his district and he

843
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 6: endorsed her on in the general, so hard to see

844
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 6: him taking too much heat from the left.

845
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 5: I think the key race will be the Dan Goldman race.

846
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 5: I think that one.

847
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 6: There is a real pickup opportunity for progressives. I do

848
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 6: think it will happen. The rest are trickier.

849
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Speaker 5: And more long shot. That's how I've described them right now.

850
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: But you messed George Conway.

851
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: Ye oh, yeah, well that's New York twelve. That's that's

852
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: an open one.

853
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 6: That's not a chal hiring seat where everyone everyone is running,

854
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 6: including Jack Schlosberg, and yeah, it's going to be a

855
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 6: real mess.

856
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 2: We've got We've got a Kennedy, We've got George Conway.

857
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Speaker 5: It's just a you know, it's going to be a

858
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 5: great race.

859
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: Well, we actually called it's cam Caaski, who's trying to

860
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: lock down sort of like the left or progressive lane

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Speaker 1: in that primary, who just launched young guy activists. Let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and take a listen. This is F six.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and look at his launch video.

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Speaker 9: My name is Cameron Caski, and I'm running for Congress

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Speaker 9: because there's no real path forward for most Americans.

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Speaker 1: You and your family are.

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Speaker 9: Working all week just to spend most of your paycheck

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Speaker 9: on rent and healthcare. Meanwhile, the richest people in our

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Speaker 9: country are telling us that we can't afford real solutions

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Speaker 9: like social housing and medicare for all. No, we can

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Speaker 9: only afford genocide, pollunteer, mass surveillance contracts, and ice ducks.

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Speaker 9: I'm running because we need people in Congress who are

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Speaker 9: going to do something about it and work on laws

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Speaker 9: that help all Americans. Isn't that crazy and radical? Turns

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Speaker 9: out we actually can build a society. We're feeding children

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Speaker 9: instead of tearing them away for their families where streets

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Speaker 9: are lined with federal housing and small businesses instead of

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Speaker 9: the National Guard.

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Speaker 1: So what do you make specifically of Cameron Caski? But

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Speaker 1: this broader I mean it's I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: candidates have jumped, like eight different can have jumped in

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Speaker 1: this race, and I think it is more it's Upper

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Speaker 1: west Side and Upper east Side? Am I correct about that?

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Speaker 1: With Jerry Nadler.

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Speaker 6: Plus midtown plus some of the village, a little bit

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Speaker 6: of downtown.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so tangle in the middle of Manhattan, more

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Speaker 1: moderate district Upper east Side went for Cuomo, for example.

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Speaker 1: I think Zorn did win the Upper west Side if memory.

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Speaker 5: Said ginarily want to in the general.

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Speaker 1: But in any case, I mean Caski's bet seems to

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Speaker 1: be that these other people are gonna split the more

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Speaker 1: moderate vote and I can just carve out maybe I

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Speaker 1: can win with like thirty percent of the vote of

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Speaker 1: more progressives in the district. How does this thing? How

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Speaker 1: is this shaking out?

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Speaker 5: Look, it's a bad bet.

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Speaker 6: I think the front runner right now for me is

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Speaker 6: the assemblyman from the Upper west Side, Michael Lasher, who's

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Speaker 6: grown up in the district, been there his whole life,

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Speaker 6: and he's got the Nadler endorsement effectively, and he's very

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Speaker 6: much center left. He's pro Israel, he's progressive on most

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Speaker 6: other policy. But yeah, it would be more of a

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Speaker 6: conventional center left Democrat. There's an assemblyman Alex Sport on

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Speaker 6: the Upper east Side. There's Eric Botcher, the city councilman

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Speaker 6: down in the village, Caskie, Jack Flossberg. Of course the

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Speaker 6: JFK Grandson is running in many others.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's going to be a split field.

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Speaker 6: George Conway is trying to move all the way with

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Speaker 6: the district. I think Caski's challenge will be like Conway's

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Speaker 6: is lack of roots in the district. I mean New

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Speaker 6: York now New York. You can come from elsewhere and succeed.

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Speaker 5: Build A.

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Speaker 6: Blasio is not from New York City, Michael Bloomberg was

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Speaker 6: not from New York City. But the key is you

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Speaker 6: can come from anywhere, but then you've got to establish

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Speaker 6: yourself in New York City and kind of spend time

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Speaker 6: building yourself up in New York City.

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Speaker 5: So Caski, he's.

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Speaker 6: Twenty five, obviously, is from Florida. I don't know if

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Speaker 6: he's going to have the roots in that district to succeed. Now,

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Speaker 6: we'll see in a split field, you never know. I

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Speaker 6: think it's a fair point. If you've got ten candidates

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Speaker 6: and you know one candidates coming in with you know,

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Speaker 6: thirty two percent, and they win, you become the congressman.

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Speaker 6: My expectation for now is last year is the favorite

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Speaker 6: with the endorsement Nadler, with the west side being so

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Speaker 6: vote rich and that is the highest turnout part of

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Speaker 6: the district.

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Speaker 5: My guess is he's the favorite.

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Speaker 6: But look they almost try to tear him down and

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Speaker 6: that creates no big for someone else. So you truly

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Speaker 6: never know in these kinds of races.

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Speaker 1: Democracy gotta love it.

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Speaker 2: There you go, thanks for joining us, man, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for as great to see you having me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: We will see you all later and there'll be a

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Speaker 2: Friday's show tomorrow