WEBVTT - How Manhunts Work 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.800 Brought to you by the all New Toyota Corolla. Welcome 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:14.360 to Stuff you Should Know Fromhouse Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.040 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's child 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:19.880 to be Chuck Bryant. Guest producer Noel is hanging out 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.239 with us for today and that makes the Stuff you 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:28.080 Should Know the podcast. That's right. I gotta kill him 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:30.360 with something different to call us, so you should know 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:39.199 the podcast boring were the explainerators? It's an infodcast. I 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.720 don't know. Podcast is what it is? Entertainment, Chuck. Yes, 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:48.760 do you know of a man named James Earl Ray? Yeah? Yeah, 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.920 the jerk. Yes, I saw him. I saw him referred 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.720 to as dim witted. Yeah, which makes his escape pretty thrilling. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.720 And yeah, suspect really well, let me give you a 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.800 little back up. So, James Earl Ray was a Missouri 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.720 prison escape e when he rolled into Memphis to assassinate 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:11.520 Martin Luther King Jr. Who was in Memphis to support 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.520 the sanitation workers strike there in nineteen uh and James 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.880 Earl Ray got a room across the street from the 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:23.520 Lorraine Hotel where MLK was staying. Apparently published in the papers, 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.240 not only where he was staying, but his room number, 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.920 which I guess was custom at the time. Actually, from 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.759 what I understand it was customary. It wasn't unheard of. Uh. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.320 And James Earlway got a room, found out that he 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:39.679 had a decent shot at the balcony outside of King's 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.559 room if he leaned out of the bathroom the shared 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:48.920 bathroom of his communal hotel and um shared bathroom huh 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.120 shared bathroom down if somebody could have gone in and 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.400 been like, oh sorry, sir, pretty much didn't see you 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.880 in here with that rifle, with that huge hunting rifle. Yeah, Well, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.400 he got a shot off, he killed MLK and he 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.080 ran out of the place that was referred to as 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.960 a flophouse, and he left behind valuable evidence with his 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.160 prints on it, namely the rifle, bundle of his clothing 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.360 and some other stuff that they used to create a 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:16.720 trail for James Arlway got a name, eventually got a 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.119 picture and Jims were away made it out of Memphis, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.720 and he actually made it to Canada, and he made 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:29.360 it to Portugal and then the UK uh. And the 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.200 way he made it was under an assumed passport, which 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:39.360 for a dim weighted Missouri prison escape e a forged passport. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.640 That's pretty heavy stuff. Yeah, I think it was probably 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.520 easier back then. Well, okay, you know he was traveling 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.959 under the name George Ramon sneed right, and they found 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:54.200 out that he was traveling under that name because Canadian police, 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.920 after being contacted by American authorities with a picture of 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.760 James Roway, went through about a hundred and fifty thousand 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.920 passports that they had accepted. I guess they had copies 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.680 of him, Yeah, that I think about it. Uh, And 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.520 then finally found one that looked like James Lay. Uh 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.720 found out that the person traveling under that passport was, 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.480 in fact he throw airport or in London, and when 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.800 he went to Heathrow report they apprehended him and he said, 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.079 you got me. I'm James l Ray and I killed 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.160 MLK imagined that was tough because everyone back then looked 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.120 like James Lay. Yeah, pretty much. You know, all those 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.280 dudes looked the same back in the fifties. Um, although 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.400 this was the sixties, but he still looked like that 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.880 in the fifties. He looked, he did, uh, and he 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.960 confessed And then later on, of course, uh recan did 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.280 and said no, I was part of a plot and 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.960 a conspiracy. Um, and they said t s well, actually, 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.720 the King family said, you know what, we think this 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.080 guy's telling the truth. And they got a new trial 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.280 brought and um he died in prison before he could 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.360 be brought to trial again. Yeah, in the late nineties. 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.200 And then you two wrote a song about it. It 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.960 was the song Pride in the Name of Love Early 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.640 Morning April four, But that came before James alway. Yeah, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.760 what do you mean you said, and then you two 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.800 wrote it was just missing. You confused me for a second. Yeah. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.200 And I don't know if it was early morning either, 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.240 for I think for some reason, I always heard that 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.520 Bono got that one wrong. Yeah, I'll have to look 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.960 that up. I'm not sure what time it was. Yeah, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.040 I'm sure we could find out, But Bonna wouldn't say 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.839 that morning is like a state of mind or something. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:39.400 You know. I'm cool, I got on blue sunglasses always, so. Um. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.719 The hump for James Earl Ray is just one example. 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:48.080 History is littered with man hunts, and what's strange about 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:53.920 that is that no man hunt really resembles other man hunts. Yeah, 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.039 I mean, it's it's weird. Like you can hold up 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.960 in the woods for years and then eventually get caught, 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.640 or if you're a Whitey Bulger, you can go out 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.280 in your driveway in Santa Monica and get caught. Like 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.000 I guess, uh, no man hunt is the same, because no, 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.760 going on the Lamb is the same. Some prefer hide 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.880 and plain sight deal, so I prefer the middle of 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:20.279 the woods. Some people prefer, you know, Bolivia, Sure you know, Nazis. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.360 What would you do if I were on the run? Yeah, 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.240 on the Lamb, I would I would probably be a 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:29.640 woodland creature. I don't know, But even if I did know, 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.080 I wouldn't say on the podcast because that'd be pretty dumb. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:33.839 In case I ever do need to go on the 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:35.840 LAMB in the future. Although the hide and plain sight 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.000 thing is there's something to be said for that. Sure 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.240 you know, yeah, Well, I mean you gotta get some 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.560 plastic surgery done in this day and age, yeah, or 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.839 just mess your face up a little bit. Well. Actually, 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:47.719 with Whitey Bulger, he was on the Lamb with his 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:52.880 longtime girlfriend Catherine Greek I believe her name was, and 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:57.479 she had extensive plastic surgery um and which had nothing 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.880 to do with being on the lamb. They well they 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:06.280 um she they she actually got them found. Yeah there there, 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.960 So white Boulger is on the line for sixteen years, right, 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.280 and it was he was up there with Osama bin 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.440 Lawden as one of America's most wanted fugitives. Um, there's 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.679 a million dollar bounty on it. Said, it was big time. 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:25.279 And whenever they found out that he had been somewhere, 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.400 they thought he was somewhere, they the FBI would take 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.800 out thirty second commercials on TV saying have you seen 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.560 this man? Have you seen this woman? This woman is 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.599 known to frequent hair salons. Uh, this guy's whitey Bulger 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.400 you know, called the FBI if you see him, uh 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:44.800 in the area during times when his girlfriend's demographic would 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.880 be watching TV. So this served a two fold purpose. One, 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.200 if she saw it and he saw it, then it 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.560 would scare him and hopefully flush him out of hiding, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.440 because it's a lot easier to catch somebody out in 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:59.120 the open, which is a common tactic, right. Or Two, 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.680 the people that she might be friends with an associate 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.280 with could be watching TV at the time and drop 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.520 a dime on her. And in fact, that's what happened. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.840 Someone like some lady. He gave her a pedicure at 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.480 a hair salon, called and said, uh, I think this 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.600 woman that you're looking for is here, and this is 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.480 her address. And the cops went to the to the 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.360 apartment said, uh, sir, it looks like somebody broke into 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.920 your your storage unit here around the corner. And why 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.800 do you bowlt your steps outside? And they go clink clink? What? 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.320 Why did they even say that? Could they not go 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.760 inside or something? I guess they didn't have enough probable 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.440 cause they had to lure him outside. I love that 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.040 that's okay, it's not okay. Come in, but it's a 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:43.080 located line and say that your storage units busted into. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.240 I'm sure he is too. He might have gotten lazy 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.080 after sixteen years, and I don't think so, man. I 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.120 think he was really wound up pretty tight. I read 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.600 an um, a long form article by a neighbor of his, 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.880 a young guy who like befriended him over the years, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.000 and he said he was wound up real tight, always 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:00.920 on the lookout. Did he write a book? Nam kg 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.680 he will called like neighbor to the mob. Pretty I'm 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:09.000 sure Matthew Modine, if next to Whitey Bold read that 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.160 book would be on the shells right now. Uh, and 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.760 it would be called Neighbor to the mob. Um. I 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:20.680 wonder what Aaron Cooper is going to make that? So 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.120 who else we got? John Wilkes Booth. He famously went 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.480 on the lamb for a pretty short time after he 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.720 shot Lincoln twelve days and ended up in a farmhouse 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.040 where there's all kinds of stories on how he might 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.080 have died, whether he was burned alive or whether he 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.160 was truly rooted out by the fire and then shot. 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.640 Did he die instantly? Did linger for a while? But 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.439 either way, man hunts have been around as long as 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.080 people have been killing people. Yeah, and there are some 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.080 principles that do kind of hold true for all man 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:54.440 hunts across the board, and pretty much one of them 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:59.400 is get the public involved. Because when you do that, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.360 time and time again, man hunts have shown that like, 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.760 somebody out there has seen this person recently, and we'll 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.840 call right. Especially these days with technology, with like everyone 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.360 having a camera in their pocket basically or sharing on 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.920 social media or being up to the second with news reports, 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.120 it's like it's made man hunts easier. Yes, and then 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:24.400 the other factor that makes for successful manhunt is having 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.320 a lot of people doing a lot of grunt work, 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.160 like the Canadian officials going through all of those passports 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.319 to try to find one that looked like James R. Ray. Yeah. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.560 I wonder how many people they visited before him, like 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.800 the other twelve guys that looked just like like, it's 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.480 not me, so all right, Chuck. So let's say that 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.760 somebody's on the run in the United States and it's 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:49.679 not a it's not a big deals not necessarily a 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.880 national manhunt. Um, it's a it's a regional man hunt. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.680 Will say, Okay, like someone knocked off a liquor store 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.880 and shot somebody and was on the loose in a neighborhood. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.080 We want to find that guy. What do you do? Well, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:08.480 I'm glad you asked, because I've done this with mirrored 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:12.800 sunglasses on Bloodhound. The first thing you gotta do, my friend, 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.480 is containing the area. It's called containment, and um, it 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.800 sounds just like what it is. You are basically trying 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.640 to seal off an area and watch all the possible 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.599 exits from that area. Um, if it's a neighborhood, I 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.480 guess you're gonna just pick out a certain amount of 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:35.280 blockage and shut it down and have cops posted it 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.520 each street exit and just know that we have at 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.120 least this area completely contained if this dude is in here, 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.160 and we're gonna say, guys, because how many times do 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.040 women do stupid stuff like this and go on the lamb? 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.000 Not much? You know? Have you not heard of fellman Louise? 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.480 That's like the one thing. So, UM, if you do 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.760 have an area contained, what you want to do is 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.600 not just not let anybody in or out without finding 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.080 out if it's the person you're looking for. You also 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:06.319 probably want to go door to door and say, hey, 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.440 are you being held hostage right now? Did some guy 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.760 with a gun come into your basement window recently? And 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.840 that's what they did actually with a twenty square block area. Um, 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.560 when they were searching for the Boston Marathon bombers. Yeah, 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.880 should we talk about those guys real quick? Sure they 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:28.280 were jerks too, uh, the Sara Enough brothers. Um. They 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.880 blew up a couple of pressure cookers fashioned into bombs 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.719 at the finish line of the Boston Marathon, and the 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:41.640 FBI got on it pretty quick, with um getting photos 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.400 released of who they thought these guys were, which turned 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.040 out to be really key because after a kind of 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.719 a crazy scene where one of them was shot and 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.800 killed by the police, like throwing bombs at the cops. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.240 There's quite a scene run over by his brother. And 0:11:56.280 --> 0:12:00.240 then the one I guess is that Zokar the d 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.440 as silent, right, Yeah, Joe Car or Joe Car I 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.720 think he is the one that ended up in a 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:10.880 residential neighborhood hiding in a boat under a tarp, and 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.280 he was They sniffed him off the case with some 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.160 infrared imaging and basically it was like predator. They're like, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.680 there's a guy in that boat because I see his 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.560 red body breathing. Right. So the reason that they found 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.120 out that the dude was in the boat was because 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.880 the person who owned the boat was under in this 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:37.440 area under the security lockdown in containment UM and was 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.439 well aware thanks to the local news and social media 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.640 and everything else, that they were looking for this guy. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.680 So when he saw that there was a dude in 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.720 his boat, he called the cops. That's how the cops 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.079 found suspect number two in the Boston bombing case. Right. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.439 I bet that was a rush for that guy. I 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.440 read about like what he said. I think he was 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.840 kind of scared. I'm sure, because it's pretty obvious. Like 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.480 you see a guy there's a lockdown in your neighborhood, 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.200 and you see gotta go climb under your boat tarp 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.040 in their backyard. That's him, you know, bleeding guy. I 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.720 think he was bleeding at the time. Even more reason 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.240 so with with the Boston is a great case. Um 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.559 because it's a recent everybody knows about it, but because 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.920 it has like so many different points to it that 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.040 really kind of give you an idea of what a 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.200 man hunt consists of. So you've got containment, you've got 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:29.040 a door to door search, you've got um, the public 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.719 transportation being shut down. Yeah, that was a big one. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.000 That's part of containment as well. Yeah, they set up 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.600 a no fly zone. Uh, they closed the schools, they 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:42.079 closed they shuttered businesses. It was basically the biggest shut 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.680 down of a major US city in history. People who 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.600 were in the containment area were asked to not leave 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:54.240 their house. That horrid news speak. Shelter in place, yea term. 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.959 Uh that sounds like you should be in a corner 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.640 like shelter in place. Yeah, I remember her a tweet 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.800 from Dr Ruth while that was going on, She's saying, Hey, 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.079 if you're having the shelter in place, maybe now is 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:07.960 a good time to turn off the TV and get 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:13.880 intimate with your loved one. I couldn't believe it. Uh 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.040 they say they're still counting up the moneys, but um, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.600 it's tattling up to over a billion dollars for that man. 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.280 Not what isn't that crazy? Somebody's milking that. You gotta 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:27.640 think billion dollars. I got a little sidebar. Not on 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.880 a man hunt, but President Obama came through my neighborhood 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.560 a few months ago, like um, on his way to 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:40.000 school indicator for something, and literally drove like down the 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.240 block from my house the motor kaide, did did you 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.080 run out to him? Well, no, you can't. That's my point. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.440 Like my friend, uh, you remember Chris Cox, his wife. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.640 We ended up being stuck at the same intersection and 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.440 her house was across the street like forty ft away, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.800 and she's like, sir, that is my house. I have 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.280 a babysitter there. I'm paying Like, can I just walk 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.520 across the street And he was like nope, no, He 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.520 would not let her walk across the street and enter 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.760 her own home. You have no rights the president is 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.560 on your street. Yeah, and he wasn't even It took 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.440 like another half hour and she's like, I really just 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.960 need to walk right there, and he wouldn't allow it. 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.680 So that's some serious lockdown. I guess the point is 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.080 when the government wants to lock you down, they can 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:24.840 lock you down. Yeah, pretty much. Um, so chuck, Uh, 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.280 you do have rights, however, Well, yeah, that's a good segue, 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.000 I guess, Um, it was a great segway. Buddy. Uh. 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.720 If if you're in if you're being told not to 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.160 leave your house, first of all, you can technically leave 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.240 your house, can you. I think you just your risk 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.160 of being shot at by the police go through the roof. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.480 So that's a pretty good reason not to leave your house. Um, 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.000 just out of common sense. You can be enraged all 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:55.000 you want indoors, well, just like any other night, um, 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.400 and the police can't just come busting down your door 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.280 saying is he in here? No, Okay, let's go down 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.720 the next door. They can knock and say can we 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.560 come in and look? And you can say yeah, your nay. Um, 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.480 if they have probable cause, say one of them saw 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.120 the suspect run into your house, they can go in 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.000 after them without asking you. Yeah, or if they're creeping 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.080 around your backyard and peeking in your windows, which they 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.680 can do legally. Yeah, the cops, Yeah they can. Um 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.240 they could, you know, see somebody they think looks like 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.480 the suspect. And that's probable cause there's a there's a 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:31.280 loophole big enough to drive like an armored truck through 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.120 if you're not picking up on that. Yeah, if they 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.320 need to provide emergency services, they can do that. Yeah, 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.960 they can say, oh, we thought you you needed CPR. 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.200 We're glad to see you're okay. Now that we're in 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.520 your house, we're looking around. Or another big loophole is 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:51.280 the exigent circumstances um, which I don't know in the 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.240 case of Boston, they could probably barge into anyone's home 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.840 and be covered under that one. Yeah, that's basically like 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.480 there we're there's a state of emergency going on, like 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.639 the civil law is just out the window because the 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.919 situation is so dire. And yeah, they argued that this 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.360 guy was running around with explosives. That's an emergency. As 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.920 far as I know, they didn't like go into any 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.480 houses unbidden though. Yeah, and we're not trying to say 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.600 like a it cakes like that, like bust down some doors. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.080 You know, Like I'm not saying like cops shouldn't be 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.600 doing this stuff. They were like two bombers on the loose, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.080 so I get it. Even still, the cops don't want 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.639 to bust down the door because they're going to have 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:35.640 to prove exigence circumstances, and if they can't, then any 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.200 evidence that they got from and on the awful searches 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:43.359 out the door, and so their case could be as well, Yeah, 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.359 you gotta be careful stuff like that. That's thing you 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.000 want to do is have your perp walk you like 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.840 all this cops speak, yeah walk, Yeah. If your purp 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:58.000 walks because of bad, bad evidence, then you're gonna be 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.639 uh what's that. What's it called in the cup? It's 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:07.760 suspended without pay. I'm feeling like we're channeling the TV 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:13.720 show episode we Yeah, oh yeah, you're like we had 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:18.760 a TV show. I just dooned doubt about that. Um okay, 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.080 where are we then? Well, I was saying that one 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.080 of the hallmarks of a good man hunt is having 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.360 a lot of people doing a lot of work and 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.760 again Boston was a good example of that. You had 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:32.399 a lot of different law enforcement agencies, basically ones you 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.520 hadn't even heard of, all ponying up personnel. Yeah, I 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:41.480 mean you're gonna get state cops, local cops, sheriff's, FBI, 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.240 and that that's for a case like that, or obviously 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:49.119 if it's something like U B. L. Then everyone seems 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:50.919 you're dark thirty or if you have it, you should. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.600 You've got like thousands of people over a decade, all 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.119 over the world working together. It's just that one, lady. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:05.000 It's just the one a d the pretty redhead. So um. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.640 The author of this article makes a pretty good point 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.040 that during a man hunt there is such a thing 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.720 as um what in police speak would be called collateral damage. 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:18.720 I guess um. Like the l A p D search 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.240 for Christopher Dorner is a very good example of this. 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.919 You remember that case, Yeah, man, that was freaky. There's like, 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.680 there's a Facebook page it's twenty thousand plus people strong 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.280 and says it's called we Stand with Christopher Dorner. Yeah, 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.560 because he left behind. So he was an l A 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.000 p D officer who was fired for making a false 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:43.399 accusation against another cop. When he reported that a copy 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.399 was working with kicked a homeless man during an arrest, 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.479 but that was false. It was found false, and he 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.440 was fired as a result. From his perspective, if you 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.760 see it through his through his eyes, that was all 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:56.439 just a huge cover up, and they got rid of 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.960 the troublemaker who was not, you know, going with the 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.400 flow on the floor, the l a p D covering up. 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.840 So he leaves his like angry manifesto about you know 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.040 how the l a p D is the most corrupt 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:13.879 organization on the planet and it's racist, and um, there's 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.080 a lot of people out there who are like, I 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.760 know this to be true because I've I've been on 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:20.600 the wrong end of a night stick with the l 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:24.080 a p D. A confidential Yeah, exactly, and that's in 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.920 the forties. Yeah, I mean, that's that's I know they've 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.680 cleaned it up a lot, but that is one department 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.320 in this country that's been fraught with allegation. And his 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.160 point was they haven't cleaned it up a lot, they've 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.879 just gotten better at PR. So he goes on, he 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.440 takes the manifesto and ends up going on an assassination 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:45.080 killing spree, killing cops killed Um the woman who represented 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.600 him in his case, who is the daughter of a cop. 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.680 Um And it was announced like that's what's so scary 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.080 about it was like he was like, Hey, I'm coming 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.920 to kill cops. Exactly, You're not going to see me 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:57.879 coming either. He was on a rampage. Yeah, it was 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.399 scary stuff. So the l a p. D Is super 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.680 jumpy at this point and they fire on not one, 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.880 but two cars that don't have Christopher Dorner in him, 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:13.000 killed two people as a result, and um, finally there's 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:17.640 a standoff after they find him thanks to some park 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.919 rangers in Big Bear or Big Sir, one of the 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.919 two Big Bear, and he ends up setting his the 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.679 cabin he's in on fire and perishing in flames. But 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.440 the the the fact is to two different cars were 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.200 shot on by the l a p D UM during 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:40.320 the search for this guy. Um, so these aren't just 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:44.480 necessarily clean affairs. Saying with Bin Latten, you know, this 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.000 is part of the campaign that took place over a 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.480 very long time, and a lot of people were killed 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:54.080 to weaken the structure that was hiding him. Still, yeah, 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.800 drone strikes out the wazoo. Uh. They used some pretty 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:02.200 interesting tactics too, that we're not in movie, UM, even 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.399 though if I've heard the movie is pretty accurate. But 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.159 they didn't include everything. Obviously. They sent a doctor in 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:12.440 a c I A guy who conducted an immunization drive 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.600 in the neighborhood where they believed his compound was there 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.840 and basically hoping to come across d n A from 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:24.040 him or his family under the guise of a blood drive. Right, 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.800 it was immunization drive. Yeah, they didn't call it like, hey, 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.960 it's a d n A collection, right drive. But there 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.520