1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: from figuring out childcare to mapping out long. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 3: Term career goals. 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 3: Welcome the best of both worlds. This is Laura. 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 2: This episode is airing the second week of September twenty 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: twenty five. This episode is going to be about things 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: that surprised us in our forties, and originally we thought 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 2: we would also do some motivational quotes. At the end 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: we are like, well, well, this will be a compound 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: episode of things that's us in our forties and our 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: favorite motivational quotes. And then we had a realization, Sarah, 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: neither of us are all that into motivational quotes, are 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: we No? 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: Not really Like there are certain phrases I find myself 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: repeating all the time from certain wise people, but motivational 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: quotes also kind of make me think of those posters 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: with like the cats on them from the nineties, and 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: they're kind of funny sometimes more than they are actually inspirational. 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, one of my favorite Instagram follows is disappointing Affirmations, 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: and it's just hilarious. It's like those pictures, right, not 29 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: the cats necessarily, but like beautiful mountain landscapes. And then 30 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: it's something terrible, right, like I wish I'd looked at 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: this right before because now I'm thinking about it. But 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: and he had one the other day that was like 33 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: a heap of discarded toys and it was something like 34 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: we all wind up on the discarded heap of once 35 00:01:52,560 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: loved things. So terrible, little dark, it's dark. So that's 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: a nice little motivational quote for you. If your humor 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: ten's more toward mine, you might want to go follow 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: disappointing affirmations. But yeah, so I also have a feeling 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: that a lot of motivational quotes are misattributed. I worked 40 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: as a fact checker for a year, and I can 41 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: tell you when I would go try to check a quote, 42 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: it was pretty much invariably wrong or attributed to the 43 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: wrong person. That's a pretty common thing that happens, and 44 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 2: I guess I also just don't understand why something is 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: more profound if somebody famous said it. 46 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: Well, they must know everything. They're famous. 47 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: Do they know everything because they're famous? I don't know. 48 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: It doesn't seem to me like they do, but I 49 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 3: guess some people get into it. If you do, that's exciting. 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: We're happy for you. We love that for you. But 51 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: moving on to things that. 52 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: Surprised us in our forties, Sarah, how old are you 53 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: are we sharing ages? 54 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: Sure? I am forty five or quaranta y Sinkle. I 55 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: probably said that wrong. I was helping Cameron with the 56 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: Spanish homework yesterday. Yeah, I am forty six. So we're 57 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: both right in our mid forties as we are listen this. 58 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: So we've been in the forties for a few years now. 59 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: I guess we get to be experts on our forties 60 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: at this point. 61 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 2: But things that are surprised us, I will go with one, 62 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: so that it turns out that your fertility does not 63 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: necessarily fall off a cliff at age thirty five. Do 64 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: you remember reading When was it that this all was 65 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: being made a big deal about it? I feel like 66 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: it was when we were very young like but not children, 67 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: but like like twenty or something that there was suddenly 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: a huge amount in the news about thirty five, is 69 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: it or something. 70 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: Definitely I had that idea. I mean for me, it 71 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: was like the medical being medical as well. At one point, 72 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: I think I did say I wanted to have all 73 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: my kids before I turned thirty five, and I wanted 74 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: three kids, and I had a plan to have them 75 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: at like twenty nine and whatever, and then I couldn't 76 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: get pregnant at twenty nine, so you know that plan. 77 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: Was already ruined. 78 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, you're right. I definitely think that 79 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: was the trope, was that like scary things can happen 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: to women who even manage to get pregnant in their 81 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: late thirties. 82 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: Yes, And so I was always like, oh, I hate 83 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: everything about this because first it's always like, oh, you 84 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: can't prioritize your career in your twenties because you need 85 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: to prioritize finding a man and getting pregnant, as if 86 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: the two cannot like happen at the same time. It's 87 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: like a a lot of people meet their spouse through 88 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: work related type stuff or through education related things. 89 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people. 90 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 2: At MBA programs marrying each other, for instance. So if 91 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: you were like, Ooh, I shouldn't go get an MBA 92 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: because I should prioritize finding a man and starting a family, like, well, 93 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: that was maybe not the best idea then, because that's 94 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: one of the sort of sorting things that people do, 95 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: is marrying people in similar professions and stuff. But you know, again, 96 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: like these things can happen at the same time. It's 97 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: not like you you only can do one. So I 98 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: felt like a lot of this, like your fertility is 99 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 2: going to fall off. The cliff was trying to get 100 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: people not to have career ambitions, which I. 101 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: Think is stupid. 102 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: Also, I could just tell you from personal experience, it 103 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: doesn't seem to happen. You know, it may be a 104 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: gradual decline at some point. 105 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: Well there is a decline in decline, but it's just 106 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: not an off the cliff. 107 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, you do not wake up at age thirty five 108 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: and one day no longer able to have children, especially 109 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: if successfully had a child at let's say thirty four, 110 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: And then my guess is you're going to probably have 111 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: pretty much the exact same experience in trying to get 112 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: pregnant at thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, probably thirty nine, forty. 113 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: You know, at some point in your early forties maybe 114 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: that starts to change. But I had two of my 115 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: children after age thirty five. You had Genevieve after thirty five, or. 116 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: Yes I did. Yeah. It's much easier to get pregnant 117 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: with Genevieve than it was to get pregnant with Nnebelle. 118 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: So there you go. 119 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: So what that. 120 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: All is, you know, is if you thought, like, hello, 121 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: I'm forty, I don't need to use birth control anymore, 122 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 2: you should rethink that. 123 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: Definitely rethink that. 124 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: Don't believe the people who told you your fertility would 125 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: fall off a cliff if that is not in your plants. 126 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: Obviously, I am thrilled to have two children. That is 127 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: not me. 128 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: But if somebody is listening to that and had that thought, 129 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: you should, yeah, maybe not have that idea. 130 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, number two, sah number two, number two. 131 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I was gonna say metabolism does change. And 132 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: this is not to say that you can't be thin 133 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: in your forties or whatever. There's plenty of people who are, 134 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: but at least for me, my experience is that I 135 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: used to be somebody who didn't have to think about it, 136 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: and at some point in my forties, if I want 137 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: to be not gaining a lot of. 138 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: Weight, I do need to think about it. 139 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: And maybe that's the difference here because I'm going to 140 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: be like very real, say, like I've always thought about it. 141 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: I thought about it when I was thirteen, I thought 142 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: about it when I was twenty five. I'm still thinking 143 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: about it at forty five. Not in like a toxic, 144 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: scary way, but like I don't think I was ever 145 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: of the naivete that like I'll just see whatever and 146 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: like look however I want, because that's not what we're 147 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: surrounded by, Like we're not surrounded by foods that really 148 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: enable that relationship with food. This is a big soapbox 149 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: for an episode, but I think that probably does underpin 150 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: where I'm like, I didn't have this realization because maybe 151 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: I always had it. 152 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Well, I mean I look back because I 153 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: know I'm not doing anything differently, like I look back 154 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: before this episode on like my step trackers, which is 155 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: you know, on my phone, and I'm walking way more 156 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: now than I. 157 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: Was, say, eight years ago. 158 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: I pay more attention to what I eat than I 159 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: did certainly in my twenties, probably well into my thirties, 160 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: and I still weigh significantly more than I did when 161 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: I was in my twenties and up to my late thirties, 162 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: and I would say turning forty, it was all after that. 163 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: So to me, that was why I have this metabolism realization. 164 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: And again not to say people can't be thin, and 165 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: therefore there are many people who are. It's just for me, 166 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: it would take a lot more effort to be at 167 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: that same size that I was then. 168 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: Got it. There are some ladies with some banging bods 169 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: in their six years in Bloody's class right now. So 170 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's a lot of I mean, 171 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: I agree with what you're saying. 172 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: But it probably takes a lot of work to maintain that, 173 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Yes, yes, Whereas if you are 174 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: twenty five, it may take less work to maintain that. 175 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 3: It may be that. 176 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: You can eat a lot of pizza and beer and 177 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 2: still have a very spelt figure, and that may be 178 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: less the case. 179 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 3: As you get older. 180 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'm a barrel full of laughs today 181 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 2: and I. 182 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: You got to come up with one. 183 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: Sarah All right, Well, this one's more in you too. 184 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm we're just skip ahead to mine. Okay. 185 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: I used to think that, like when you were a season, 186 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: I would see seasoned parents, Like I'd see parents with 187 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: kids that are my kid's age, for example, and be like, 188 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: that person clearly knows what they're doing. They have all 189 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: the parenting secrets. They must be confident with all the 190 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: choices they're making. We're obviously I'm standing here making things up. 191 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: Guess what, You're always making things up because every kid 192 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: is different, and like, no matter how old your oldest 193 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: kid is, like that kid's still going to enter a 194 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: new stage that you're trying to figure out. Plus whatever 195 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: you use to apply to kid number one, like when 196 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: kid number three comes around, you may have a whole 197 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: new set of circumstances that you just did not deal 198 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: with with kid number one for whatever reason, And so 199 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: the amount of feelings seasoned and like you know what 200 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: you're doing, at least in my parenting experience, Like, stop 201 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: waiting for that because it's probably not coming. 202 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are certain things that you probably know a 203 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: little bit more how to do, Like I would say, 204 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: registering Henry for kindergarten. 205 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: Yes, lotistical things. 206 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: I've done that a few times. 207 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: Those are not like the hard the hard things. Yeah, 208 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: I was good at registering for things like before I 209 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: even had kids. 210 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. 211 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: I mean you're always figuring out this stuff and it's 212 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: going to be interesting. I was thinking about it, like 213 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: going into the kindergarten meet and greet on Thursday, that 214 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: this is the fifth time starting a child at this school, 215 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: and so there's a fair amount of things that you 216 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: you figure out with it, and some things that you, yeah, 217 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: feel very comfortable with later in your parenting journey. But 218 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: then there's other things that who knows, it's something new 219 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: that your kid is different than you. 220 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: Didn't have to worry about Jasper, like using AI to 221 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: do his third grade homework, but you will have to 222 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: worry about Henry. 223 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 3: That's true. He may already be. 224 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: He was asking for some AI download the other day 225 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: and like, really, really, I don't think that's a game 226 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: you need to be playing. 227 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. 228 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: At age sixty or five. 229 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: And a half, kids are crazy these days. 230 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're going to take a quick ad 231 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: break and then we'd be back with more of things 232 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: that surprised us in our forties. So we are back 233 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: talking things that surprised us in our forties. We were 234 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: having a discussion of older kids versus younger kids. I 235 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: gotta say, I think I don't know if you had 236 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: this experience, since you are the oldest kid in your family, Sarah, 237 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: But sometimes the oldest kid feels a little bit like 238 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: because their parents were figuring things out with them, they 239 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: may have experienced some of the mistakes that later kids 240 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 2: don't have to suffer from. 241 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: I don't know, did you have that experience. 242 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: I think is more like strictness that parents maybe realize 243 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: like didn't have to be so strict, And like, my 244 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: favorite example of this is I really really wanted contact 245 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: lenses because I had really embarrassing glasses, and for some 246 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: reason it was like, no, you can't get them till 247 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: you're in eighth grade or thirteen, like there was some 248 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: arbitrary number. And I finally got them, and my life 249 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: did actually improve, like markedly. Okay, because bullying is real 250 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: and like whatever, it's not any fun. So then my 251 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: sister wanted glasses, and they saw that it wasn't really 252 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: that our contacts that big a deal to like switch 253 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: your kid from if a kid's motivated to have contacts, 254 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: like they're going to do fine with them, which I did, 255 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: and she got them earlier, and I was so mad 256 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: about it because like obviously I suffered. So I mean, 257 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: that's not a very good attitude. 258 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 2: But you see what yeah, yeah, now I remember, I 259 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: mean I'm the middle child, so it's not I mean, 260 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: I'm sure my older brother had like ten times as 261 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: strict as I did. But then, like I remember, I 262 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: was not allowed to watch Seinfeld because it was deemed inappropriate, 263 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: which it probably is, but let's leave that at there. 264 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: So I was watching it. My mom was like, this 265 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: is terrible, we have to turn her off. Whatever. 266 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: And then I come home from college and I find 267 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 2: my mom and my little brother watching Seinfeld to gather 268 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: like laughing over it. 269 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: Just like what that is really funny? 270 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: Not fair? So but yeah, I mean we've experienced this too. 271 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: I mean there's certain things like knowing to take biology 272 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: over the summer before you go into freshman year of 273 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: high school, because then that frees up space in your 274 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: schedule to take more of the advanced science classes later on, 275 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: which could be helpful for college admissions. If you have 276 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: multiple ap science classes, and especially if you have taken 277 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: them before your senior year, because it tends to be 278 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: your junior year. That is a lot of the college 279 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: stuff is based on. And now we knew that Sam 280 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: has gotten through a lot of that stuff earlier, and 281 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 2: we did not know that for Jasper. But of course 282 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: kids are different because Ruth is like not excited about 283 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: the idea of taking biology over the summer. So we 284 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: will see if that actually happens or if she just 285 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,359 Speaker 2: carves her own path completely. 286 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 3: So kids do what they want to do. 287 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Chronic pain, You should talk about this one. 288 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's always the joke about your body 289 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: falling apart once you hit middle age, and there is 290 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: some truth to that. I mean, people wide up with 291 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: more aches and pains, little annoyances, and obviously I know 292 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: many people have had bigger health scares as Sarah can 293 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: talk about, for sure. But you can also become something 294 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: of an expert in your own body, which is that 295 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: you can experiment with things and try things and research 296 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: things and see what works. And sometimes people do that 297 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: in conjunction with health professionals, and sometimes they do it 298 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: on their own, but you can in fact solve many problems, 299 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: which has been something that surprised me. So, for instance, 300 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, I was really suffering from 301 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: chronic sore throat issues, and between strictly limiting dairy products 302 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: and taking anti reflex medication, I have managed to mostly 303 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: solve that problem, which has been incredible. I try to 304 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: pause and note that I'm like not feeling pain, which 305 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: is the absence of pain isn't something you necessarily think about, 306 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: but it's like, whoh, that's a lot better than it was. 307 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: I still get an episode every like two to three 308 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: weeks that's bad, and then I'm like, oh yeah, I remember, 309 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: and then back pain. Longtime listeners know that I had 310 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: a couple of I had some bad back issues about 311 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: a year and a half ago, and one way or another, 312 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: things have gotten better. 313 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: You know. 314 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: I took the steroids at the time to probably calm 315 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: some inflammation that had been building up for a while. 316 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: But I think strengthening certain muscles, and it wasn't even 317 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: sure which ones it were. I think for me it 318 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: was like my hip flex or muscles of all things. 319 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: Other people it might be their abdominals, Like my abs 320 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: still aren't that great, but I've been working on my 321 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: hip flexers and that seems to have. 322 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 3: Really helped with the back. 323 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: But who knew, right, Like, you try different things, and 324 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: it turns out that by stretching and then strengthening your 325 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: hip flexers, you can take pressure off your back, and 326 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: so for me that seemed to have helped a lot. 327 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm still getting my PhD, and like 328 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: I haven't really experienced a lot of that kind of 329 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: like discomfort pain type stuff. And when I used to 330 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: experience that, it was usually because of like high mileage running, 331 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: and then I went straight from that to like vtex. So, yeah, 332 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: my experience has been a little bit different. But I 333 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: guess I will say my forties, I and more recently 334 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: I like questioned like the things that you need to 335 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: do to stay healthy, Like do you need to do 336 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: a ton of cardio? I used to think you did. 337 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: I definitely. I read so many times that you don't 338 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: need to. But until I was actually forced to not 339 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: do it and be like, oh, life is fine, I 340 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: wasn't entirely convinced. And that does actually kind of go 341 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: with what you said, like you have to experiment on yourself, 342 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: you have to try things and see what work and 343 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: see what feels good, and some of that is going 344 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: to be found in PubMed and medical expertise. And then 345 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: sometimes and I'm not even saying this in any kind 346 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: of anti medical way, but every person is unique, and like, 347 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: you're not going to find a paper that's just about 348 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: your very very specific issues, and so you're gonna have 349 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: to try things within reason. But certainly cutting out dairy 350 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: or only doing strength training like those are safe things 351 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: to give a whirl and see what happens. 352 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: See what happens. 353 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think we've both found that your forties 354 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: can be a very cool time professionally, partly because you've 355 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: just been doing whatever you're doing at this point, unless 356 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: you've switched careers. But if you've been doing whatever you've 357 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 2: been doing for long enough that you develop certain efficiencies 358 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: and so it takes a lot less time to get 359 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: the same things done. I know from my time logs 360 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: that I am working fewer hours now than I probably 361 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: was ten years ago, and that's I mean, sometimes I 362 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: want to work more hours. It's been hard with very 363 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 2: active kids, but I can't claim that I'm not getting 364 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 2: as much done as I did during those years before 365 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 2: It's just like, if I need to talk to somebody 366 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 2: about something, I probably know the person to call or 367 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: can get to that person through some part of my network. 368 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: Those things build up over time totally. I feel like 369 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: your forties, you've become really really efficient at the things 370 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 1: that you do, and that's actually really like satisfying feeling. 371 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: And you might not even notice it until you see 372 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: people maybe newer to the game, and you watch them 373 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, yeah, I used to be like that. 374 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,239 Speaker 1: And I see that in medicine a lot. I mean, 375 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: my younger colleagues are the best, but it definitely takes 376 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: them longer to do certain things that for me are 377 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: just very second nature now and with the same results. 378 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: So it's fun to see yourself progress. Or like when 379 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: I interview someone and they say you're a great interviewer 380 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm new at this, and I'm like, no, 381 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm not new at this. I've done this for like 382 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: eight years now. I guess I know how to do this. 383 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: So that is fun to have mastery, and I think 384 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: a lot of us do into that into our forties. Yeah. 385 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: I had the funny experience of this. 386 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: I was interviewing someone a couple months ago for Before Breakfast. 387 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: Before Breakfast has been running for six years now, I 388 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: mean Best of Both Worlds has been running for eight years. 389 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: I've done a lot of interviews, obviously, for all sorts 390 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 2: of journalism things over the years. And I just started 391 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: adding an interview portioned to Before Breakfast in September of 392 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: last year. And so that is what somebody had told 393 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: this person I was interviewing, is like, it's like a 394 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: new show, a new interview show or whatever. And so 395 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: if I interview this woman and she gets off and 396 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: she's like, are you really new at this? 397 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: You're like, I'm a savant. 398 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: I just I've never done this before. How did it go? 399 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: So I quickly told her that she was not, in fact, 400 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 2: the first person I had ever interviewed. 401 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, see that feels good. And I'm 402 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: sure lots of you listening to this are there as well. 403 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: So give yourself your own on the back for getting 404 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: to a more efficient place in your career time. 405 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. 406 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 2: I would also say I've learned that older kids are 407 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: very cool. I love the mid to lateeen stage. I 408 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: know I've been lucky in this regard. My kids are awesome, 409 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: but it is still cool to watch who they become 410 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 2: and how they think about their lives. And I feel 411 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: like there's so much negative stuff about teenagers out there, 412 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: and I don't know, I think it's not inevitable. I 413 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: think that it can be a really cool, fun time 414 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: of parenting and of family life. 415 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 3: So I'll throw that out there too. 416 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: Oh I'm not quite there yet, but I am also 417 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: enjoying the stage I'm in, and it's been interesting lately. 418 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I've run into a bunch of people 419 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: in their forties who have like an old kid and 420 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: a young kid like you, but even maybe like a 421 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: three year old and a seventeen year old or something 422 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: like that. And I don't know. Every stage is interesting. 423 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: Every stage goes fast, and it happens once. 424 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, I will say I am not thrilled about 425 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: being woken up in the middle of the night in 426 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: my mid forties. 427 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: Oh, I would not like that. Well, I don't like 428 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: that for work, and I wouldn't like. 429 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 2: That for yes, one of my my baby may still 430 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 2: be having a little bit of trouble on the sleeping 431 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 2: front sometimes, and that is a bit frustrating because not 432 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: that it was fun when you're twenty something, but it 433 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: is sometimes to get. 434 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: Back to seal with it. 435 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's that. 436 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 2: But anyway, all right, well we're going to take a 437 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: quick ad break and then we'll be back with the 438 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: next part of this episode. 439 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 3: So we are back the first part of this episode. 440 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 2: We were talking are things that surprised us in our forties. 441 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 2: We were going to do a section on motivational quotes 442 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: before we realize that Sarah doesn't really do motivational quotes 443 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: and I disappointing affirmations, So we were not really the 444 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: sort of people who are penning motivational quotes to our 445 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: bulletin boards. So we thought we'd do maybe some of 446 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 2: the things that we say over and over again that 447 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: we are kind of our favorite greatest hits that we do. So, Sarah, 448 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: what are you telling people over and over again? 449 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: Oh? 450 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 2: Man? 451 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes I tell people like this is from 452 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: the planning side of things, to like control your inputs 453 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: because people are so overwhelmed at what's coming at them, 454 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: but they forget that, like you can put on that 455 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: do not disturb, and you can you know, decide when 456 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: you're going to look at your email, and you can 457 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: have people contact you in a different way if they're 458 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: bothering you in an asynchronous form or synchronous form of 459 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: communication when they should be using an asynchronous form, et cetera. 460 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: So that's something I find myself like repeating a lot. 461 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: I do repeat David Allens, your brain is for having ideas, 462 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: not holding them. So that's also kind of like write 463 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: it down, like, don't expect yourself to have so many 464 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: things going on in your head for planning. I'm always 465 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: telling people to have one source of truth or one 466 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: master so fun fact, it was one source of truth 467 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: in my book, but it got changed to one master calendar, 468 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: and now I'm like, master, is this like a gentry anyway? Whatever? 469 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: At just one place where you look that you can 470 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: trust to find all of your time specific engagements. I 471 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: say that a lot, and then this was kind of 472 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: going to go with the other point. But you know, 473 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: not everybody has to like you. That's like everyone's an 474 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: acquired taste kind of a thing. That's not a saying necessarily, 475 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: but I feel like it's something that I have to 476 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: repeat to myself. But I have ingrained over time and 477 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: definitely within the last decade. Yeah, what about your quotes? 478 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: You have so many great quotes. 479 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 2: If somebody wants to make you a lot quote cards 480 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: with these on uh with images of mountain streams behind them. Well, 481 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: one of my favorite is people are a good use 482 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 2: of time. So whenever you find yourself trying to be 483 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: more efficient with like having a conversation with someone, you 484 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 2: can kind of pause and note that whatever this is 485 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: that is cementing the relationship can probably be deemed a 486 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: good use of time, even if you probably would have 487 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: made that point in fewer words. 488 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 3: Going to bed early is how grown up sleep in. 489 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: That's another favorite one because a lot of times adults 490 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: have to wake up at set times for work or 491 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 2: family responsibilities. So if you would like to have that 492 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: sort of luxurious sense of getting all the sleep you want, 493 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: you kind of have to do it on the other 494 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: side of the day. So go to bed on time 495 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: I don't have time means it's not a priority. 496 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: I love that one. It's so true and people love 497 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: to use that, and like sometimes it's tempting, you know, 498 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: when someone says that, you're like, you want to say it, 499 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: but you can also just say it in your mind. 500 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: Like it's true. 501 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 2: I tend not to say that to somebody if they're 502 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 2: like telling me I don't have time to do this, 503 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I hear that it's just not a priority, 504 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: because that's usually. 505 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: Not what people want and people are a good use 506 00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: of time. 507 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: But with ourselves we can often say that, like, would 508 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 2: you do this if somebody were paying you a million 509 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: dollars to do it? Well, okay, you probably would, Now 510 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: how would you find the time in that situation? 511 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: Right? 512 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: And is there anything from that that you could make 513 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 2: happen now, even in the absence of a million dollars, 514 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: But that might be a strategy that you would employ 515 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: and could make it work with that open space invites 516 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: opportunity in a way a cluttered calendar can't. 517 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 3: I don't know about you, Sarah. 518 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: I always feel like I am so not willing to 519 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: take on new stuff around the start of the school 520 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 2: year or around the holidays. Like if an opportunity came 521 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: to be that, people are like, well, we could have 522 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 2: a conversation about this, maybe it'll lead to something, because 523 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: opportunities tend not to come gift wrapped, Like I mean, 524 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: maybe if you're really famous and have a ton of influence, 525 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: they do. But for most of us they don't like 526 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: you kind of have to track them down and talk 527 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: to a couple people and see where they go. And 528 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: I'm just not willing to do that at a time 529 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 2: when every minute feels spoken for, which tends to be 530 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: the case when you're figuring out new schedules at the 531 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: start of the school year and like over the holidays 532 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 2: where there's events every night, and so it's just something 533 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: to keep in mind. If you can keep open space 534 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: in your calendar, then you don't feel so resentful when 535 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: somebody's like, hey, we should have a conversation about that. No, 536 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: no conversation, Yeah, no, you might and then see where 537 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: it goes. 538 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think for me the default is stuff gets filled. 539 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: But there are some days where I just really I 540 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: will make a note to like protect them, and it's 541 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: almost like I have to cultivate the open space. But 542 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: then when it's there, I'm always so so thankful that 543 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: it's me. 544 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, things that can happen whenever happen when never. That 545 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: was one from Tranquility by Tuesday, just the idea that 546 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 2: people are like, Okay, yeah, I need more me time, 547 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 2: and then they're like, Okay, I'm going to have more 548 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 2: bubble baths. But the problem is your bathtub is not 549 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 2: going anywhere, and so you could do it whenever. And 550 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: so if you say, like even if you put it 551 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: on your calend, like ooh, I'm going to take a 552 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: bubble bath at seven o'clock on Wednesday, then somebody wants 553 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: you to drive them to the mall at seven o'clock 554 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 2: on Wednesday, or there's some work thing that could happen Wednesday, 555 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: and you know, so you do it, and then you 556 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 2: don't have your bubble bath. It just winds up not happening. 557 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: Whereas if things have a specific time, and in many 558 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: cases involve a commitment to other people, that they tend 559 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: to happen. So, for instance, my choir practice happens at 560 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: seven o'clock on Thursday nights. That's not really a negotiable time. 561 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 2: So I tend to protect seven o'clock on Thursday nights 562 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: in a way that I wouldn't if I was just like, oh, 563 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 2: I'm just going to go sing sometime. So I encourage 564 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 2: people to choose something that involves all that. 565 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: I like that. 566 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: Sarah, did I forget to Oh wait, do I forget 567 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 2: to include a question in this show? 568 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 3: Notes? 569 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: Possibly? Can I give my other quote, I can't. I 570 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: really like my other quote, which is perspective things. I 571 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: think that just applies to so much, like, you know, 572 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: you can be really sad about something, It's okay to 573 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: be sad, but also like perspective is everything, right, Like 574 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: there's going to be a time after this, there's been 575 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: other people that are suffering, like you're not the only one, 576 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: and like there's so many things to be grateful for. 577 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: I feel like it's tied to that. So now we're 578 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: getting all cheesy. We could see a cat poster with 579 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: that on it, but it's an Amy man lyric and 580 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: I just love it. If I was going to get 581 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: a tattoo, which I'm not, it might say perspective is everything. 582 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 2: That's not one thing you're going to do in your 583 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 2: forties get a tattoo. 584 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: I guess it's not on any bucket list or anything 585 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: I plan on doing in my forties. 586 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: No, Well, our love of the week is sort of 587 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: related then with our perspective as everything, because Sarah, you 588 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: had a couple of things go wrong over the last week. 589 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: Correct, Oh my gosh, things way worse than forgetting a 590 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: Q and A in a podcast transcript. So we're recording 591 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: this a couple of weeks after the fact. But our 592 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: nanny actually took a trip that wasn't going wrong, that 593 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: was planned. It was not the best timing, like I 594 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: knew I was going to be on call and it 595 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: was the first full week of school, so really not ideal, 596 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: but it was something really special to her. As I said, yes, 597 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: so we're going into that. I'm going into that like 598 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: with baited breath, like I'm so anxious. And then immediately immediately, 599 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: the dryer breaks and my husband's car breaks, like breaks forever, 600 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: like it's never Maybe it'll live again, but it's not 601 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: gonna be our car probably again, because the breaks failed, 602 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: and like you know, you know, breaks fail, We're done. 603 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 1: It's a twenty eleven prius too. It was time, but 604 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: like that was not it was not the time. And honestly, 605 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: the dryer was more disruptive than the car because he 606 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: promptly runted a car. But we like had to, I 607 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: don't know, like scramble to have clean clothes every day 608 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: until we figured out that the local wandromat had a 609 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: washing fold service. We dropped off tons of laundry and 610 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: then the next day picked it up. All nice and 611 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: beautifully folded, and it was just a lifesaver. So that 612 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: is my love of the week, and also just a 613 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: reminder that sometimes a bunch of stuff is gonna happen 614 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: all at once. But you know, perspective is everything. 615 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 3: We got through it. Yeah, washing fold services are great. 616 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I know, so when I lived in New 617 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: York City, I used one all the time because my 618 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: first apartment didn't have a laundry facilities, but there was 619 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: a commercial laundry out across the street, and I quickly 620 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 2: figured out it's like, okay, you could go spend hours 621 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 2: going in and out on a Saturday, like tending your 622 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: clothes and moving them to the dryer, or you could 623 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 2: just pay a very small amount, I mean, because it's 624 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: so competitive because they were one on every block to 625 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: get them to do it, and they would, and then 626 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: you just pick it up again the next day and 627 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: it's all beautiful, or sometimes they even deliver it if 628 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: you wanted that. 629 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 3: But it was across the road, so I didn't really 630 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: need that. 631 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, like you don't do that in a suburban 632 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: house where you have a huge laundry facility. Thing, but 633 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: might be worth it as a special treat sometime when 634 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: you just can't get your head around doing the laundry totally. 635 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 2: It was a lifesaver, lifesaver, well, my love of the week. 636 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: I thought I was going to be totally done with 637 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 2: it when we were recording this, but it turned out 638 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: there was one more chapter that I had not counted. 639 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: I'm reading Anna Karina, so Tolstoy's novel, and this year 640 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: I have been reading it at a pace of one 641 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: chapter a day, and I knew there were approximately two 642 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 2: hundred whatever we are two hundred and forty chapters. 643 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 3: We've gotten through of. 644 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: Eight months of the year, and so I read one 645 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: chapter a day and we are coming to the end. 646 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: Tomorrow will be the last chapter. Well, the thing is 647 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: Tolstoy is irritating this way, both in War and Peace 648 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: and Anakarnina, and that one of the main things that 649 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: happens like to end the book is then like sixty 650 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: pages from the end, you have sixty pages of like 651 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: nothing wrapping it up. And so I'm in that right 652 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: now and just okay, we're going to learn all about 653 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 2: the Serbian cause that the various Russian freelance fighters were 654 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 2: going to do. 655 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: And I was like, have you read any commentary about 656 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: why he did this, like did he have a whole plan? 657 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: But then he had to meet a word count. 658 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 3: I wonder because it's serialized. It was like there are 659 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 3: five serial like there's five. 660 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: Books, right, and so maybe he like not spoiler alert here, 661 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: but Anna has already been under the train here. So 662 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: that happened like fifty pages ago. And I guess his 663 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: readers still wanted stuff or he well, he was more 664 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: interested in Levin Constantin, Levin the other character, sort of 665 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 2: big character, and it's his alter ego, it's Tolstoy's alter ego. 666 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: And so I guess he found him more fascinating and 667 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: his spiritual journey and all that, And so we get 668 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 2: sixty more pages on Levin's spiritual journey. 669 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: You know, someone listening has written their thesis on those 670 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 1: sixty pages. 671 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 3: I'm sure they have, like why did he just keep going? 672 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: So let us know. 673 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: Our Russian literature experts, and why he did it with 674 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: Warren Peace too. The epilogue is like all the it's 675 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 2: like one hundred pages on his great men theory of history, 676 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: on how we need to recognize that it's not the 677 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 2: great men of history that are moving things, all right. 678 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: You're not selling these books to me. 679 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 2: Well, okay, I like them, and I like to I've 680 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: read them and I think they've either fascinating. But I yeah, 681 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: if you're reading probably two hundred and fifty page contemporary novels, 682 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: you'd have to work to get through this, because it's 683 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: there's some slow, very slow. 684 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: We'll see. Not on my Sunday maybe list just yet. 685 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 2: No, not on your list of one hundred dreams from 686 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 2: our previous episode. Oh well, well, anyway, this was actually 687 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: I meant to get at this of the forties versus 688 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: what you do, because I read Anakarinana when I was 689 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: twenty two years old, and I remember some of it, 690 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: but I didn't remember all of this stuff, and so 691 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: it was kind of nice to read it my forties 692 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: and see some of the absurdity of some of it, 693 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: but also just at this slow of a pace, because 694 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 2: I think I went through it a lot faster the 695 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: first time and missed a lot, and so I've experienced 696 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 2: all of it. 697 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: So cool, right, all right, Well, that was just as 698 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: good as a Q and I we weave back next 699 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: week with a great question. 700 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 2: Next week we'll have it all well, all right, well, 701 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: this has been best of both worlds. We've been talking 702 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: things that we learned in our forties, some of our 703 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 2: favorite quotes from our own things we're telling people all 704 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 2: the time, and we will be back next week. 705 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 3: With more on making work and life fit together. 706 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 707 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram. 708 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 2: And you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 709 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 710 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 2: join us next time for more on making work and 711 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 2: life work together.