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Speaker 4: Welcome to another episode of The Giants Subtle Podcast, brought

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Speaker 4: York Football Giants. A lot coming your way on today's show,

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Speaker 4: a special supersized Bonus Friday episode. As always well, Bob

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Speaker 4: Popo with head coach of the Giants, Brian Dable. Our

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Speaker 4: I speak the Giants, ed rusher jahad Ward and Lance

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Speaker 4: Meadow gets the lowdown on the Raiders from Jason Horowitz.

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Speaker 4: But we're gonna start with the man known as Hotty.

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Speaker 4: Now we're joined by Giants defensive end edge rusher defensive

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Speaker 4: lineman jahad Ward, and we'll talk about all that and more.

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Speaker 3: Dotty.

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Speaker 5: What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm good man, you know, man, just getting ready for

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Speaker 1: the next you know what I mean, get ready for

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. You know, we just came out of practice,

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Speaker 1: so everything has been good man. How you doing?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great. We're talking after Thursday practice. Howse practice

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Speaker 4: been this Weekhy don't.

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Speaker 1: We start been real good?

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: We just next play mentality, you know what I mean, everything,

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Speaker 1: everybody coming together, and you know, I'm just excited for

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Speaker 1: this group of men that we have on defense. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just speechless right now.

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Speaker 4: So let's talk about the defense. I think you guys

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Speaker 4: have played on a whole really good football these last

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Speaker 4: three weeks. You held the Bills to fourteen points, called

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Speaker 4: Washington the seven points, He'll digest to thirteen points. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: the team was not able to finish those games, only

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Speaker 4: winning one of the three. Right, So how do you

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Speaker 4: kind of take the performance of the defense as a

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Speaker 4: is now moving forward?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the defensively, you know, the goal is

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Speaker 1: to not let them score. You know, it's the NFL.

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Speaker 1: We all know that everybody gets paid to do what

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Speaker 1: they do. But it's like, you know, we just got

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Speaker 1: to be unselfish, you know what I'm saying. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be times where I had to be unselfish.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of role players in here that just

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Speaker 1: that drops sometimes, that rush some times, and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So we just all what can we do to get

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Speaker 1: plays that our opponents that has been making, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's just like really just really

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Speaker 1: just being unselfish, and that's why we've been really dominating

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Speaker 4: In addition to the unselfishness, what else have you guys

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Speaker 4: done well on the on the field that has contributed,

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Speaker 4: you think, to the success that you've had the last

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Speaker 1: Everybody just coming together and believing, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: We don't really care about results that much. You know,

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Speaker 1: we just trust the process and we really just our

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Speaker 1: next play mentality. We just gotta do what we gotta

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Speaker 1: a sound defense, you know what I mean. Every oppone

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Speaker 1: really just whatever we got to do just to shut

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Speaker 1: do our part. You know, we don't depend on nobody

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Speaker 1: on the defense, you know what I mean, That's that's

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Speaker 1: not the motto. We're not gonna be on no blame game.

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Speaker 1: The results is not really how we want it. But

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Speaker 1: if we can control what's going on in the defense

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Speaker 4: Now, something did happen this week to your defense that

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Speaker 4: was out of all of your control. Leonard Williams, on

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Speaker 4: just tell the fans out there how it was presented

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Speaker 1: You know, when when I heard the news and stuff

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Speaker 1: a business in this game. And that's why we're trying

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Speaker 1: your life and one game can change your life, and

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Speaker 1: we always enjoyed the moment. That's why we're trying to

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Speaker 1: tell people it's a brotherhood because we don't know who's

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Speaker 1: we don't know who was just done with everything. So

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Speaker 1: one thing about this league is nothing, but it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of beautiful memories in this league. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we can always see Leo all season. We

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Speaker 1: long as he's still in the league and stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: that's all that matters. But we're just glad that he

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Speaker 1: just We wish nothing but the best of Leo, and

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's my brother right there, And

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Speaker 1: And not just him, just the whole defense in general.

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad I got to got a chance to

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Speaker 1: it's always a future. I might rush with him again.

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Speaker 1: But that's the whole process of having good memories and

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Speaker 4: Understanding how the organization went about it, talking to Leo

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Speaker 1: So, oh yeah, most definitely. You know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Back to Leo situation, Every time he comes in this building,

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Speaker 1: once you bring hi stuff to the table, it's like

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Speaker 1: bring everything to the to the puzzle. But once you

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Speaker 4: So how do you guys now react And there's no

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Speaker 4: replacing Letter Williams, But how do you try to make

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Speaker 4: also on the field obviously still a very effective player.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah uh. But with that going on being said,

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Speaker 1: you know, we just you know, we lost a Sojia

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Speaker 1: and it's hard to replace a Leo And I would say,

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Speaker 1: you know, we have more leaders in here and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. So it's like that's just a part of

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Speaker 1: Lea don't want us to fold. I'm pretty sure Lea

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Speaker 1: We've been there when people get cut. We've been there

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But you know, you never know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he had to Seahawks right now, he probably he might

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Speaker 1: pretty sure he got a lot of football in him,

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Speaker 1: so you never know, the man might come back. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: He's he could be a free free agent in the offseason.

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Speaker 4: Who knows what's gonna happen exactly. So you know, so

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Speaker 4: to take up some of the snaps that Leo had, Right,

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Speaker 4: Big Ashan, you have Natcho, obviously, you have yourself. You

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Speaker 4: have DJ Davidson, you Jordan Riley for you personally, could

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Speaker 4: you see yourself maybe doing some more three technique rush

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Speaker 4: stuff on passing downs now, because that was really on

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Speaker 4: passing down to his major role, right you Dexter killing

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Speaker 4: Leo playing that three tech is that a spot where

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Speaker 4: you can maybe see yourself a little bit more on

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Speaker 4: passing downs now moving forward?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean, not even just me, man, It's just like

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Speaker 1: like I said, when we go against opponents, it's just

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Speaker 1: certain players, you know, a certain style who can play

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Speaker 1: even before when Leo came in here, we had certain

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Speaker 1: stuff like make him basically get all the weaknesses. What

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Speaker 1: can we do? It could be me, it could be Leo,

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Speaker 1: it could be Decks, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 1: that's how we really want it. I can play everywhere.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I'm confident. I'm very well

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Speaker 1: confident playing it. In three I played and nose and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. So it's not you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Once we have each other, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: We have a great coach Dre, So it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: he teaching us everything the same thing had that he

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Speaker 4: As you move forward here, how does as a team,

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Speaker 4: not just the defense now finished games a little bit better?

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Speaker 4: Because I feel like you're in these games the same

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Speaker 8: Giants head to Vegas for the first time ever to

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Speaker 3: Hope all as well. There's everything on your end.

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Speaker 5: It's great. It's been a while. Our faces are a

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Speaker 5: I believe the change is as much about culture, environment,

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Speaker 5: about the coaching staff and how they were treated with

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Speaker 5: regards to that. So it was so high in so

436
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Speaker 5: many categories except that one. And you know that's only

437
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Speaker 5: year one. There were so many close games last year.

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Speaker 5: Six and eleven. Yes, but there were a record setting

439
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Speaker 5: double digit halftime leads that were blown. So six and

440
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Speaker 5: eleven could have easily been ten and seven in the

441
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Speaker 5: playoffs and it wasn't. So I think there was a

442
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Speaker 5: thought that, hey, okay, they come in, they tear it

443
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Speaker 5: all down. They're going to go with their quarterback, they're

444
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Speaker 5: going to bring in some of their guys, Jacoby Myers,

445
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Speaker 5: they get a full draft class. Remember then they traded

446
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Speaker 5: for Devonte Adams. There was no draft last year. It

447
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Speaker 5: started in the third round. So I think there was

448
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Speaker 5: a thought of Okay, let's see what happened then and

449
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Speaker 5: go from there. But is a team that is way

450
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Speaker 5: too talented lance to be struggling the way that they

451
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Speaker 5: are on offense, and it's actually I think one of

452
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Speaker 5: the worst in seventy some years for a team to

453
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Speaker 5: go eight weeks into the season without some of the

454
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Speaker 5: numbers they've had. So it's been really bad, and I

455
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Speaker 5: don't think there was a belief that the coach knew

456
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Speaker 5: how to fix it. And so you get all of

457
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Speaker 5: those things in place, some of the cultural stuff that

458
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Speaker 5: it started to come out the meeting that happened between

459
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Speaker 5: the players and the coaching staff the Thursday before Monday

460
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Speaker 5: Night Football. The embarrassing performance on Monday Night Football coupled

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Speaker 5: with what happened in Chicago, and you put it all

462
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Speaker 5: together and Mark Davis decided that it was time to

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Speaker 5: make a change.

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Speaker 8: The other thing that's been a bit surprising about this season, Jason,

465
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Speaker 8: is they bring in Jimmy Garoppolo. Obviously has the connection

466
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Speaker 8: to Josh McDaniels, but Garoppolo's track record has always been

467
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Speaker 8: a solid pro. He's going to make the decisions and

468
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Speaker 8: nine interceptions this season, which leads the NFL.

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Speaker 3: That was a bit perplexing.

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Speaker 8: So what do they get now by making the move

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Speaker 8: to Aidan O'Connell Based on what you've seen so far

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Speaker 8: in a very limited sample size of only two.

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Speaker 5: Games, so nine interceptions, and remember he missed two and

474
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Speaker 5: a half games. Yeah, so that it makes it worse, really,

475
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Speaker 5: And it's even more than that. Lance my partner Lincoln Kennedy,

476
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Speaker 5: who I really really enjoy working with with the Raiders

477
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Speaker 5: on the broadcast, and Lincoln that is not one to

478
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Speaker 5: mince words, and I would use his judgment on this.

479
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Speaker 5: But as we're broadcasting games and he's talking about Jimmy Garoppolo,

480
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Speaker 5: particularly the last two that he has played, he's pointing

481
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Speaker 5: out what he calls happy feet, and you know, you're

482
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Speaker 5: watching the game, you know exactly what it looks like.

483
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Speaker 5: You know, someone who's not positive. He wants to throw,

484
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Speaker 5: he's looking, he's looking, he's unsure. His feed are just moving.

485
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Speaker 5: There's nothing settled. There's no confidence there. And in all

486
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Speaker 5: fairness to Jimmy Garoppolo, how healthy he is. You know,

487
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Speaker 5: he's had all the injury history, the foot surgery that

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Speaker 5: he had in March. He was healthy enough to be

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Speaker 5: cleared for camp. He had a concussion in week three,

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Speaker 5: he missed. Week four, he had a back injury against

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Speaker 5: I believe the Packers were Week six, he missed Chicago.

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Speaker 5: Week seven, comes back against the Lions, he's getting drilled

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Speaker 5: in Detroit. And so you throw all of that together,

494
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Speaker 5: and what do they get by going to Aidan O'Connell. Well,

495
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Speaker 5: aside from the fact that the front office, whoever that

496
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Speaker 5: may be in the future or the current front office,

497
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Speaker 5: gets a chance to look at a rookie quarterback who

498
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Speaker 5: was pretty special in training camp and in preseason. There

499
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Speaker 5: are some within the building who have said anonymously that

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Speaker 5: Aiden O'Connell is their best quarterback right now. And I

501
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Speaker 5: don't think that's saying that Jimmy Garoppolo's best days are

502
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Speaker 5: worse than Aidan O'Connell. I think that means Garoppolo right now,

503
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Speaker 5: Jimmy Garoppolo when he has been at his best, including

504
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Speaker 5: leading a team to a super Bowl. And so you

505
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Speaker 5: put those things together and I think there's a belief

506
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Speaker 5: that Aidan O'Connell gives them a better chance to win

507
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Speaker 5: today than Jimmy Garoppolo does. And you get to see

508
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Speaker 5: quarterback might be able to be for nine games now.

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Speaker 8: There's only so many changes that you can implement in

510
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Speaker 8: the span of a few days, given it's a quick

511
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Speaker 8: turnaround on Monday night. The reason I bring that up

512
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Speaker 8: is you got a new offensive coordinator. Interestingly, though, Jason

513
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Speaker 8: Scott Turner is also on staff as the passing game coordinator,

514
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Speaker 8: who you know, cold plays for many years with the Commanders.

515
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Speaker 8: What I'm getting at is, how much do you think

516
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Speaker 8: Turner perhaps could be involved, Maybe not necessarily this week,

517
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Speaker 8: but moving forward, given the fact that he has a

518
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Speaker 8: little bit more experience being a play caller.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would guess that there'd be a mixture there.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: Remember, so they fire offensive coordinator Mick Lombardy, but micklem

522
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Speaker 5: Marty didn't call the plays either. You know, Josh McDaniels

523
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Speaker 5: was the play caller. So not only were you a

524
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Speaker 5: degree removed, Josh McDaniels was the play caller. So not

525
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Speaker 5: only were you a degree removed from that's later calling

526
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Speaker 5: the plays, you're really two degrees removed. Because Bo hart Agree,

527
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Speaker 5: who's now the interim offensive coordinator, was just a quarterbacks coach.

528
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Speaker 5: But that also means that he was specifically consistently working

529
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Speaker 5: with Aidan O'Connell and and and so you put that together,

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Speaker 5: I think there's a possibility that it's a it's a

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Speaker 5: group effort. You know, Bos a young coach, but he

532
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Speaker 5: is I think respected in the group. They were excited

533
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Speaker 5: when they brought him on board. The quarterbacks have talked

534
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Speaker 5: very highly of him in the past, so I think

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Speaker 5: there's there's something there. I wouldn't be surprised if there's

536
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Speaker 5: some kind of collaboration between he and Scott Turner. So

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Speaker 5: they're certainly there. This is lance. I'm not really sure,

538
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Speaker 5: to be perfectly honest, how to day and week to

539
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Speaker 5: week are going to go for this coaching staff. You know,

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Speaker 5: Antonio Peers has never been a coordinator. You know, he's

541
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Speaker 5: never been obviously a head coach. Patrick Graham has been

542
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Speaker 5: a coordinator. And while the defense is you know, struggled

543
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Speaker 5: a little bit the last couple of weeks, the reality

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Speaker 5: is they've made enough winning plays to win in Detroit.

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Speaker 5: Right It's like, if the offense wasn't one of eleven

546
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Speaker 5: on third down, and you know, wasn't struggling so badly

547
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Speaker 5: to score, then the defense isn't on the field for

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Speaker 5: forty two minutes. You know, there's a there's a combination

549
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Speaker 5: all there, and the tackles for loss, the forcing the

550
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Speaker 5: Lions to five field goal attempts three times the Lions

551
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Speaker 5: had goal to go and had to settle for field

552
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Speaker 5: goals like that's that's winning defense in today's NFL. And

553
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Speaker 5: the three takeaways including a pick six, you know, that's

554
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Speaker 5: something the Raiders have been really struggling with for years.

555
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Speaker 5: As takeaways. That's the second time in the last four

556
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Speaker 5: games they've had three takeaways, So that's a big deal.

557
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Speaker 5: So I think I think the defense is getting better,

558
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Speaker 5: playing well enough to have winning football if the offense

559
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Speaker 5: holds its water. The question is is the offense fixable?

560
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Speaker 5: And I have to believe with DeVante Adams and Josh

561
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Speaker 5: Jacobs that the offense and Jacobe Myers that the offense

562
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Speaker 5: is fixable if they start running something else.

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Speaker 8: Well, to your point, they're not lacking weapons. So that

564
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Speaker 8: brings me to the next phase here in terms of

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Speaker 8: Jason their approach against the Giants, There's a team that

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Speaker 8: has scored twenty one points or.

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Speaker 3: Less in each of their eight games.

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Speaker 8: What do you think the approach of the new offensive

569
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Speaker 8: staff is going to be. Are they going to say, hey, Aiden,

570
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Speaker 8: you gotta take some chances down the field.

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Speaker 3: Is it going to be more of a conservative game plan?

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Speaker 8: Leading on Josh Jacobs, how are they going to manage

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Speaker 8: you think trying to attack what's been a pretty solid

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Speaker 8: Giants defense over the last few weeks.

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Speaker 5: So I would just throw five four receivers out wide

576
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Speaker 5: and say everybody go deep. That's what I would do.

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Speaker 5: On the first play, right, what's the worst thing that

578
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Speaker 5: could happen, We're throwing an interception? So what.

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Speaker 6: I uh?

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Speaker 5: You know. Aidan O'Connell started against the Chargers week four,

581
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Speaker 5: and look that it was mixed results. He was sacked

582
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Speaker 5: seven times, he had was fumbled twice. They lost two

583
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Speaker 5: fumbles in the first half. He threw an interception on

584
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Speaker 5: first and goal from the three where the Raiders were

585
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Speaker 5: going into the chance to tie the ball game late,

586
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Speaker 5: and so you look at all of that and you're like,

587
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Speaker 5: how good was it? Reality was he played well enough

588
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Speaker 5: to put them in position to come back from all

589
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Speaker 5: of that. There's something about that. There's something good there.

590
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Speaker 5: And they did take some shots down the field. There's

591
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Speaker 5: a couple thoughts in the head where you know, he

592
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Speaker 5: took a couple of deep shots to Jacoby Myers. One

593
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Speaker 5: of them was called back for offensive pass interference, but

594
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Speaker 5: it was like he put it up there between two

595
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Speaker 5: defenditors and put it in a really good spot for

596
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Speaker 5: Jacoby to go make it, So I do think there's

597
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Speaker 5: something there In that game against La too, DeVante Adams

598
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Speaker 5: got hurt early in the second quarter and missed the

599
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Speaker 5: rest of the quarter, So I wonder how much of

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Speaker 5: those sacks were not having Davante out there because he

601
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Speaker 5: was being looked at in the locker room. And obviously

602
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Speaker 5: he's healthier now, So I think there's going to be

603
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Speaker 5: more fluidity is the right right word. There just hasn't

604
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Speaker 5: been a rhythm to the Raiders offense really for four weeks,

605
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Speaker 5: and if there's a little bit more of a balance

606
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Speaker 5: of a rhythm, then Aiden's going to be fine. Part

607
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Speaker 5: of that's going to be him, though, like his mental

608
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Speaker 5: clock has got to be faster than it was against

609
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Speaker 5: the Chargers, and look, the Giants lost. Leonard Williams right

610
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Speaker 5: traded him to Seattle, so that's certainly helpful. But you

611
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Speaker 5: look across that defensive line and Kevon Thibodeau approaching ten

612
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Speaker 5: sacks already on the year, and you throw in Dexter Lawrence,

613
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Speaker 5: who's a captain and a pro bowler, and Ashawn Robinson's

614
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Speaker 5: had a bunch of sacks in his career in the NFL,

615
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Speaker 5: so it's a very difficult defensive line, and that's a

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Speaker 5: problem considering the Raiders have struggled with their offensive line

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Speaker 5: this year well.

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Speaker 3: And that's why.

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Speaker 8: Also the Giants have been able to capitalize on some

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Speaker 8: of their recent opponents, specifically the Jets last week, even

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Speaker 8: though they lost, because to your point, some of these

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Speaker 8: teams have had trouble handling the front seven. With respect

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Speaker 8: to the Adams, he's coming off a game where he

624
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Speaker 8: had only one catch. Clearly he was frustrated after the game.

625
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Speaker 8: He's got seventy eight targets Jason. In terms of the

626
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Speaker 8: rest of the league, that's not terrible.

627
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Speaker 5: But I think ten correct, Yeah, exactly, I think, And

628
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Speaker 5: if my numbers are correct, Lance, I mean he wasn't

629
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Speaker 5: targeted a ton on Monday. I want to say it

630
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 5: was four or five times, so I think he was

631
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Speaker 5: like fifth or sixth then targets going into Monday night.

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Speaker 8: So I guess what I'm getting at is, do you think,

633
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Speaker 8: though the philosophy is going to be well eight and

634
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Speaker 8: O'Connell second start Davonte new offense, Let's go out of

635
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Speaker 8: our way to try to I guess I'll use force

636
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Speaker 8: feed for the lack of.

637
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Speaker 5: I hope not. I hope not. So you know, last week,

638
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Speaker 5: two weeks ago, leading up to Chicago, and remember that

639
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 5: was after a wind, they had beaten the Packers. On

640
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 5: Monday night, they had beaten the Patriots and again offensively,

641
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Speaker 5: it was seventeen thirteen and twenty one seventeen, but the

642
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Speaker 5: twenty one was because of the safety. So the offense

643
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Speaker 5: still has not scored twenty. Forget twenty one. The offense

644
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 5: hasn't scored twenty this year and they're the only team

645
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Speaker 5: in the NFL who can't say that. But after the

646
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Speaker 5: win against New England, DeVante on Wednesday was it made

647
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Speaker 5: the rounds. He was visibly frustrated and talked about the

648
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Speaker 5: fact for you know, he doesn't want to be a

649
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Speaker 5: selfish player, but for him and this offense to go

650
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Speaker 5: where they want to go, he has to be great

651
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Speaker 5: and they need to get him the football more because

652
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Speaker 5: I think he was targeted like four times in that

653
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Speaker 5: Patriots game. It wasn't a lot, and that made the rounds.

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Speaker 5: And what happened in Chicago, Lance he there were eight

655
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Speaker 5: pass attempts in the first quarter in Chicago, he was

656
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Speaker 5: the target on seven of them. Score point now part

657
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Speaker 5: of that was a forty one yard block field goal,

658
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Speaker 5: but still like they couldn't even get to the red zone.

659
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Speaker 5: It was a struggle all day. So my concern about that,

660
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Speaker 5: if it's the case with Adon O'Connell, is you know,

661
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Speaker 5: you got a rookie quarterback who's a fourth round quarterback.

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Speaker 5: You know, if his focus is, hey, we're getting DeVante

663
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Speaker 5: the ball, I don't care who's there, that's a problem. Right.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying he has to find his third and

665
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Speaker 5: fourth progression, but they got to run plays that he's

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Speaker 5: comfortable with. And as Lincoln constantly says and has been

667
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Speaker 5: telling me now for all year, they just don't run

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Speaker 5: stuff that modern offense is run. They don't run enough

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Speaker 5: crossing routes, they don't rub enough rub routes, they don't

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Speaker 5: run enough pick routes. And I realize pick routes are illegal,

671
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Speaker 5: but everybody runs them, you know they don't. Trey Tucker

672
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Speaker 5: is the guy they got on the trade for Darren Waller.

673
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Speaker 5: Is Trey Tucker, third round pickout of Cincinnati, and he

674
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Speaker 5: can fly. Now, he's got some inconsistencies, but nearly part

675
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Speaker 5: of the season, every time they got him the football

676
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Speaker 5: positive play thirty yards, fifteen yards, eight yards. It wasn't

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Speaker 5: you know, touchdowns, but they were positive plays pass interference

678
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Speaker 5: calling the defense, So I think they got to work

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Speaker 5: on getting him the ball too. But the other part

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Speaker 5: to your problem with DeVante Adams isro has been completely

681
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Speaker 5: excluded from this offense. There was a game a couple

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Speaker 5: of weeks ago he was on the field for seven

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Speaker 5: offensive snaps. This is a pro bowler from a couple

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Speaker 5: of years ago that they paid fifty one million dollars

685
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Speaker 5: in an extension, or maybe it wasn't that high. They

686
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Speaker 5: gave fifty one and Waller, but they gave him an extension.

687
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Speaker 5: When when they got there and the capable receiver Michael Mayer,

688
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Speaker 5: you trade up to draft him in the second round.

689
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Speaker 5: This is the leading receiver in Notre Dame history by

690
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Speaker 5: tight ends and he didn't play a fourth guy can catch.

691
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Speaker 5: He went in a great catch in Detroit the other night.

692
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Speaker 5: So they have a lot of choices. I think they

693
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Speaker 5: need to use all.

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Speaker 8: Of them and perhaps we'll see more of that distribution

695
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Speaker 8: spread the wealth mentality that you were hitting on, Because

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Speaker 8: once again I echo your sentiments, I don't think it's

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Speaker 8: a question about lacking weapons around the quarterback. Now, speaking

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Speaker 8: of upside, want to flip the script to defense. As

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Speaker 8: we're talking with Jason Horowitz previewing Giants Raiders this Sunday,

700
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Speaker 8: the play by play voice for the Raiders radio network.

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Speaker 8: We know Max Crosby is one of the most disruptive

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Speaker 8: players in the NFL. I mean, there's no point in

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Speaker 8: even asking you what he's shown because we know the

704
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Speaker 8: numbers have proven that and so forth, and he's playing

705
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Speaker 8: a lot of snaps that he's delivering. But Tyree Wilson,

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Speaker 8: they went out, they got him in the first round.

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Speaker 8: I'm curious, Jason, has he made as much of an

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Speaker 8: impact as you had anticipated or the rest of the

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Speaker 8: organization based on where they took him and Patrick Graham's

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Speaker 8: ability to try to get guys after the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: No, the answer to that's definitely no. I don't think

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Speaker 5: it's a fully fair answer, though, because he didn't even

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Speaker 5: get on the field in training camp till the end

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Speaker 5: of August. He had foot surgery, he was hurt at

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Speaker 5: the end of November at Texas Tech, and so he

716
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Speaker 5: wasn't even cleared to come off of the NFL list

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Speaker 5: until the end of August, So I don't think that's

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Speaker 5: a fair answer to the guy that's trying to get

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Speaker 5: up to NFL speed, especially when you think that the Raiders.

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Speaker 5: I know, Chandler Jones didn't have the greatest season last

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Speaker 5: year in what has been a really great career, but

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Speaker 5: they obviously expected Chandler Jones to be the one opposite

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Speaker 5: Max Crosby and then working in Tyree Wilson and Malcolm

724
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Speaker 5: Koontz as their third and fourth pass rushers, and that

725
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Speaker 5: obviously didn't happen. Right Chandler Jones had the off the

726
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Speaker 5: field issues, was arrested violating protection order a couple of times,

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Speaker 5: was dismissed from the team. A lot of people have

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Speaker 5: seen some of the post he's had over the last

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Speaker 5: couple of months, which have certainly been disturbing. So I

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Speaker 5: think the anticipation was that Chandler Jones would be a

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Speaker 5: much bigger part of this defense. There would be a

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Speaker 5: bounce back from last year of some sorts. He was

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Speaker 5: having a great camp, great offseason, and that obviously didn't happen.

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Speaker 5: So Tyrie Wilson had to do more than expected, and

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Speaker 5: there's been some moments, there's been some flashes He's had

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Speaker 5: some efforts where he's pressure on the quarterback forced the

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Speaker 5: quarterback to roll out of the pocket. He only has

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Speaker 5: one sack and it was kind of a meaningless play.

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Speaker 5: It was a hail Mary at the end of the

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Speaker 5: second quarter in Chicago and the Bears were like seventy

741
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Speaker 5: yards away, sixty years. It wasn't going to result in anything,

742
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Speaker 5: But I think there is some He's starting to get it,

743
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Speaker 5: Like he graded out really high in Pro Football Focus

744
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Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago. He's on the field a

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Speaker 5: lot more now than he was earlier. So I think

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Speaker 5: the hope is the second half of the season Tyrie

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Speaker 5: Wilson comes to life and shows what they hoped he

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Speaker 5: would with the top ten pick. Time you draft the

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Speaker 5: guy in the top ten, you assume that he's going

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Speaker 5: to have production. You know, the Lions drafted Aiden Hudginson

751
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Speaker 5: number two, and he's there with Max Crosby with the

752
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Speaker 5: most pressures in the NFL heading into last week, and

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Speaker 5: Max he's just relentless and unstoppable, and his energy needs

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Speaker 5: to carry over some of the other guys.

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Speaker 8: Because when we looked at the Raiders defense from last season,

756
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Speaker 8: obviously they needed more sacks around Max Crosby, so they're

757
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Speaker 8: still trying.

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Speaker 3: To navigate that.

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Speaker 8: I think the other thing that came to mind was

760
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Speaker 8: more opportunistic plays. They only had six interceptions last season,

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Speaker 8: that was tied with the Giants, But as you mentioned,

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Speaker 8: you're starting to see those opportunistic plays and Marcus Peters

763
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Speaker 8: came through with.

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Speaker 3: Won to pick six.

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Speaker 8: However, the run defense, Jason, is what jumps off the

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Speaker 8: PA for the very good reasons. They're thirtieth in the NFL.

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Speaker 8: We know what Jamiir Gibbs did on Monday night. If

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Speaker 8: you had to pinpoint why that's been such a troublesome area,

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Speaker 8: what's the major problem?

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Speaker 5: So two things Matt Millan said in the preseason. You know,

771
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Speaker 5: great linebacker won four Super Bowls with the Raiders and

772
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Speaker 5: the nine Washington too. Raiders, Niners and Washington. The linebackers

773
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Speaker 5: are small, you know small. Obviously Matt was a bigger guy,

774
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Speaker 5: played in a different era of linebackers, but it was

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Speaker 5: concerning to him how the linebackers would bear in the

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Speaker 5: run game. Last year, Denzel Paraman and he missed some

777
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Speaker 5: time with injury, but Denzel was more of a thumper.

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Speaker 5: But our guys really struggled last year to cover the past,

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Speaker 5: and this year, until Monday Night, the Raiders had gone

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Speaker 5: four straight games allowing less than two hundred yards passing,

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Speaker 5: which was the most the Raiders have had consecutively since

782
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Speaker 5: twenty ten. So the pass defense had been much better,

783
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Speaker 5: but the run defense has really been a problem. And

784
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Speaker 5: it's not that it's not just that you're giving up

785
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Speaker 5: all the yards. It's that every run is a five, six,

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Speaker 5: seven yard run, and when that's happening, you're not getting

787
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Speaker 5: off the field, and it's demoralizing in all those things.

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Speaker 5: And that's happening consistently, and it has all year. It's

789
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Speaker 5: not like it's just Monday or in Chicago. It's really

790
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Speaker 5: been a problem all year along. And Saquon Barkley. You know, look,

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Speaker 5: I don't know how he's feeling after thirty six carries

792
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Speaker 5: last week, but clearly the Giants you think are going

793
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Speaker 5: to be a team that's going to try to give

794
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Speaker 5: him the ball thirty times because there's nothing so far

795
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Speaker 5: that the Raiders have been able to say. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 5: we're gonna go out there and stop the run. I

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Speaker 5: also think though on Monday Night specifically, Raiders did not

798
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Speaker 5: have Divine Diablo coming into the game. He is one

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Speaker 5: of the two starting linebackers and had a pretty good year,

800
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 5: really good year in coverage, but a pretty good year.

801
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Speaker 5: Luke Masterson, who was the one who filled in for him,

802
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 5: concussion early in the game. My assumption is he won't play,

803
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Speaker 5: but I don't know that for a fact. And you

804
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Speaker 5: were down to a rookie linebacker who had been inactive

805
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Speaker 5: the entire season until Monday night, and he was a

806
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Speaker 5: converted safety to linebacker for one year at Florida. So

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Speaker 5: I think that role on Monday as much as everything else,

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Speaker 5: and we'll see what happens on Sunday.

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Speaker 8: A lot of changing dynamics in terms of the players

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Speaker 8: as well as the coaches.

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Speaker 3: With respect to the.

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Speaker 8: Raiders, Jason, before I let you go, you look at

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Speaker 8: both of the teams, and I would say they are

814
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Speaker 8: a bit of mirror images on the offensive side of

815
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Speaker 8: the ball, because the Giants are struggling to put points

816
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Speaker 8: on the board. The Raiders defense we talked about has

817
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Speaker 8: come a long way, so has the Giants. Is it

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Speaker 8: fair to say there's going to be a relatively low

819
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Speaker 8: scoring grinded out of fair in your eyes or don't

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Speaker 8: think that somebody is going to break out in a

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Speaker 8: certain area that we haven't necessarily anticipated. And I know

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Speaker 8: you have somewhat of an interest in the game, considering

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Speaker 8: obviously you're calling it, so I understand your reaction from

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Speaker 8: that standpoint.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, I mean, listen, as the voice of a team,

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Speaker 5: you always hope that the entertainment value is very high.

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Speaker 5: And with the frustration that's been there for the first

828
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Speaker 5: half of the season from the offense, you you know,

829
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Speaker 5: it's certainly been difficult to call and frustrating and all

830
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Speaker 5: those things. So I'd like to hope that that's not

831
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Speaker 5: the case and that the playmakers on the Raiders have

832
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Speaker 5: a have a you know, that maybe there's an awakening, maybe,

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Speaker 5: you know, maybe the problem was Josh McDaniels play calls.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if that's fully true, and I'm not

835
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Speaker 5: sure that's fully fair. But when you make the change

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Speaker 5: a games into the season, it doesn't happen all that

837
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 5: often for non off the field related stuff. You hope

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Speaker 5: that that sparks something when somebody else is in charge,

839
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Speaker 5: and in this case, it's a new play caller, it's

840
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Speaker 5: a new quarterback. The vibe I mean I don't know, Lance,

841
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Speaker 5: if you saw on Thursday any of the videos that

842
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 5: were released from people covering the team in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 5: There were some videos in the locker room, there were

844
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Speaker 5: some videos on the field. It's just a different vibe,

845
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Speaker 5: you know. Players, I think, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 5: if this is how they've always felt with regards to this,

847
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 5: to the coaching staff, but with right now, it feels

848
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 5: a little bit more free. And there was just a

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Speaker 5: different attitude with the change, and it didn't seem like

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00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 5: it's an attitude of all that we're throwing in the

851
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 5: towel on the season, we're firing our head coach, forget

852
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: about it. I think there's an attitude of Hey, two

853
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 5: years ago and for very different reasons, right John Gruden

854
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 5: resigned for very different reasons than why Josh McDaniels was fired.

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Speaker 5: That team, with some of the same guys on this team,

856
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 5: with interim head coach Richard Satia, won a lot of

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00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 5: close games and playoffs. And I don't know that this

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00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 5: team can do that, you know. But but there's a

859
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 5: lot of really good players on this team, and I

860
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 5: think if they get some confidence for the offense and

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00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 5: some rhythm against a good Giants defense, that you'll have

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Speaker 5: a different thought going into the Jets game. In the

863
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 5: reality lands is if they beat the Giants and the

864
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 5: Jets both at home, five and five teams make the playoffs,

865
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 5: So we'll see what happens. I don't know that's getting

866
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 5: way ahead of ourselves here, but but but I'd like

867
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 5: to think that this change the guys to play a

868
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 5: little bit more relaxed and go from there.

869
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: And I did see some of the reports you were referencing.

870
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 8: I see some of the beat writers referring to it

871
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 8: as the happiest locker room they've ever seen.

872
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: So if that's right.

873
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 5: It's weird. Just it's weird to say that, you know,

874
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 5: and I'm not in there. I don't I don't live

875
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 5: in Las Vegas, so it's not, you know, the week

876
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 5: two week thing that I'm with those guys every Wednesday,

877
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 5: Thursday and Friday. But postgame, you can tell, you can

878
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 5: tell how guys feel. I mean, it's a different post

879
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 5: game because you're you're you're getting the immediate reactions of

880
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 5: disappointments and frustration and all of that. But there's just

881
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 5: a different there's a different tone, you know when you're

882
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 5: listening to guys at the podium, when you're hearing what

883
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 5: they're saying in the locker room, there's a different tone

884
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 5: in the last thirty six forty eight hours. And not

885
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 5: that you ever want to root for someone to be

886
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 5: let go or lose their job. I really liked, particularly

887
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 5: Dave Zigl. I spent a lot more time with him

888
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 5: than I did with Josh McDaniels over the last nineteen

889
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 5: twenty months since I got the job, or less than that,

890
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 5: really fourteen months, and I really liked him a lot personally, professionally,

891
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 5: how open he was, how honest he seemed to be,

892
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 5: how much information he gave, and really just how he

893
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 5: approached me as an individ jewel and as a person.

894
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 5: I appreciate it every day with Daves Zigler and leading

895
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 5: up to including Monday night when we talked on the

896
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 5: field in Detroit. So you never want anybody to have

897
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 5: to suffer because these families involved, there's a lot of stuff,

898
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 5: and I get the idea that they all understand that

899
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 5: that's part of the job, but you never root for that.

900
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 5: But that doesn't change the fact that some of the

901
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 5: players may feel very differently than I do. Or then

902
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 5: you know, with respect to that. So it made very

903
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 5: well feel like a very different team on Sunday.

904
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 8: Well, and that's why the Rich Pasaci example I think

905
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 8: is great. I was talking with our colleague Rich Gannon

906
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 8: earlier this week. He wins the same thing, and you

907
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 8: see the type of change that Masacci have brought. Antonio

908
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 8: Peers is a former player. We know he's a motivator,

909
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 8: so time will tell and he's going to be motivated

910
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 8: going up against his former team. So from that standpoint,

911
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 8: we're not lacking storylines coming into Sunday's games.

912
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: Behind the Giants and the Raiders, I will.

913
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 8: Tell you that, Jason, I don't know what the product

914
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 8: on the field is going to be like, but I

915
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 8: could tell you there's going to be a lot to

916
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 8: talk about at least, and from a broadcasting standpoint, we're

917
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 8: not complaining. He is Jason harrowit'z who you can hear

918
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 8: on the Raiders radio network as the play by play announcer.

919
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 8: Also a colleague of Mind West with one Sports and

920
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 8: serious ex Sam. Jason, I can't thank you off, really

921
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 8: appreciate the time of the inside, enjoy calling the game

922
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Speaker 8: and look forward.

923
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Speaker 3: To talking down the road.

924
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

925
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Speaker 3: You got it my pleasure.

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941
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Speaker 6: Cave we talk a lot in the off season, have

942
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 6: some candid conversations, and the things that you say to

943
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 6: me are like, what do I need to do better?

944
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 6: How can I What do you see? And then during

945
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 6: training camp you talk to the general media about you

946
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 6: watch film from last year. You're not looking at what

947
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 6: you did well, You're looking at what you didn't do.

948
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: Why I mean highlights are what we all see.

949
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 6: Right. Highlights are easy.

950
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 2: You know, you pick out your best plays and people

951
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: think that that's the resume. But in the league you

952
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 2: start to see that there are so many more plays

953
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: that go into being a complete player. So for me,

954
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: you know, coming from my first year to second year,

955
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 2: I knew that, okay, the things that I'm good at

956
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: are my gifts, and the things that I need to

957
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: get better at I need to become my strengths.

958
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 6: It's interesting you say a complete player because there is

959
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 6: this public perception and well, he was drafted five and

960
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 6: he should be doing X, Y and Z. The complete player,

961
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 6: as I see it, is the player who does the

962
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 6: things that go un noticed but that help his team.

963
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 6: And what about that part of your game that you

964
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 6: can say, I'm contributing every play, y'all just don't see it.

965
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: I think it attributes to football evolving, right when you

966
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: look at pass rushers, when you look at guys who

967
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: played my position, who used to play it, it was

968
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: a different you know, it's a different body type. They

969
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: were bigger, they were stronger, they were you know, more stout,

970
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: and now we've transitioned to getting as much speed on

971
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: the field as possible. So if you notice how Wink

972
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: caused a defense, it's about you know, doing your job.

973
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: You know everybody can you most A lot of other

974
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: teams have kind of like a front coverage where you

975
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: just let you know, your great players go play. But

976
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: when you kind of work as a whole team, it's

977
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: almost like you know an orchestra and how it happens.

978
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 2: So for me, whether I'm dropping back, making a quarterback

979
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: you know second think, you know, taking a check down

980
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: or looking at the tight end, or I'm you know,

981
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: just holding an edge so that the blitz can hit,

982
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: so that you know, because sometimes you have rushers that

983
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: just go rush and now the rush and the blitz

984
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: is not working together right, So me sometimes you know,

985
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: understanding that yeah they're gonna send a chip at me,

986
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: but I'm taking two guys so that somebody else is free,

987
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: or you know, I'm playing to the slide so that

988
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: you know, my other guys can come free and make plays.

989
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: But you know, it's all kind of a it's a

990
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: chess game where you talk about you know, being in

991
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: certain positions to ultimately come to the you know goal.

992
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 6: So you start the season, the splash plays aren't there

993
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 6: it's just the blue collar work. Right. Then all of

994
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 6: a sudden, these sacks are starting to come in bunches.

995
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 6: Was there ever a point, either your rookie year or

996
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 6: currently where you heard the outside noise and started to

997
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 6: say to yourself, Man, are they using me?

998
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 5: Right?

999
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 6: Should I be doing X, Y and Z?

1000
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: That's the poison, right? And you talk about the poison,

1001
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: and like everybody who has a plan, you know, when

1002
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: you get punched in the mouth, you kind of you

1003
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: get nervous about that plan and you start to have

1004
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: all these other ideas come in your head. And that's when,

1005
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: like the trust and the process, you throw everything out

1006
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: the window and it turns in a fight or flight.

1007
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: But I've had a lot of people tell me, you know,

1008
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: over my years that, like you got to stay on

1009
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: the yellow brick road, you know, stick to the script.

1010
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: You can't say the plan doesn't work if you don't

1011
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: give it. You know, your everything. So for me, it's

1012
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: not necessarily that I let it deter me from the mission,

1013
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: but you know, it does start to kind of play

1014
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: in your mind like, Okay, well, am I doing everything

1015
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: that I should be doing. It's kind of understanding that,

1016
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: like I just got to stay consistent and keep chopping wood.

1017
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 2: You know, I can't. Really, it's after the first game,

1018
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: people reacting like it was the end of the season,

1019
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: like we didn't have sixteen more games. But now we're here,

1020
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: and you know, I just gotta keep going.

1021
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 6: Before we get in to the sack that I labeled

1022
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 6: the er D the electronic evolving door. You seemed to

1023
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 6: be doing different things every sack. It wasn't the same

1024
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 6: pass rush move right. Were you kind of feeling out

1025
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 6: the offensive tackle to see what you were going to

1026
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 6: do next so that he wouldn't expect it? Because you

1027
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 6: had two rushes two sacks off the right side and

1028
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 6: then the left side. Was a move that probably one

1029
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 6: of the more difficult things a pass rusher can do,

1030
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 6: to go a full move inside and then get back

1031
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 6: outside around in your head, did you say this is

1032
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 6: what I'm going to do with it? Or it just happened?

1033
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: So it's funny with you know, take it back to

1034
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: that game. I knew how they were setting right. I

1035
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: knew seventy seven was a high hand puncher. I knew

1036
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: he kind of his feet kind of got stuck. And

1037
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: then sixty one he let a lot of people beat

1038
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 2: him around the edge, so I knew that, you know,

1039
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: there were certain moves that were going to work during

1040
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: the game. The first couple moves I threw was the

1041
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: I think it was almost the first drive I threw.

1042
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 6: It was it looked like a swipe, but.

1043
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: In my head it was a stab club. But it

1044
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: just kind of came just as fast, so you know,

1045
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: to swipe to the rip and I got around him.

1046
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: And then after that I ran a inside move that

1047
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: didn't work versus seventy seven. I knew it didn't work,

1048
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: so I hit him with a jab. I kind of

1049
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: jabbed him and then swiped again and finished outside. And

1050
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 2: then on that last move, I had went to sixty

1051
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 2: one before and I just I tried to run the edge.

1052
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: It didn't work. So then I told myself, like, all right,

1053
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring a jab in and see if I

1054
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 2: can sit them down. And when I jabbed, it felt

1055
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: like I could have took it, you know, but then

1056
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: it's like the quick thinking and the training and all that. Okay,

1057
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: once he played back, I didn't have it. I got

1058
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: back around. Yeah, that was that was I would say

1059
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: that's my best when I looked at it.

1060
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was like, it's probably. I mean, you should

1061
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 6: allow yourself to see that one. Yeah, that was a

1062
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 6: good right. Like all the other ones, you can say, okay,

1063
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 6: I can do that. That one you should allow yourself

1064
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 6: to see. So you lost one of your brothers via

1065
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 6: Trey Leonard Williams, right, great locker room guy leadership is

1066
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 6: there now that he's gone? Is there more on players

1067
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 6: like yourself to assume that leadership void? I know you

1068
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 6: have you leading your own way, but then when you

1069
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 6: see a guy like him who leads by example. Is

1070
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 6: there more that you guys feel that you should do

1071
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 6: or just do your Definitely? No, I mean, you know

1072
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 6: it feels different when you're on the field. You know,

1073
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 6: you usually have another presidence, another leader, and now that

1074
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 6: that's gone, you know another guy is up.

1075
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Speaker 2: Now it's okay, a guy like me who's an upcoming leader.

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00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, well you know I got speed up

1077
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: at Yeah, it's just time to grow up. And now

1078
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: you know that the other guy stepping in are going

1079
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: to look at me because now you know, I'm that

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00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: guy that's kind of next stepp or I'm the guy

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Speaker 2: that's making plays.

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Speaker 6: Last question you had to Las Vegas They've had a

1083
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 6: lot of a lot of changes in the last twenty

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Speaker 6: four to forty eight hours, so different coach, different coordinator.

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Speaker 6: Now it's a different quarterback. What is the process of

1086
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 6: preparing for a guy that you haven't seen? Is it?

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Speaker 6: Let me look at what their offensive linemen do, because

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00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 6: those leppards may not change their spot. The scheme may,

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00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 6: but those guys, how do you prepare for a quarterback

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00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 6: that you have don't so.

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Speaker 2: Me personally, I always start with the offensive line, right,

1092
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: and every individual player has their tendencies. The NFL has

1093
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 2: become something of the NBA, where guys are matching up right,

1094
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: so you got to win your one on one. So

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Speaker 2: I always start with the old line and looking at

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00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: their keys, and then from there I got to go

1097
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: back and look at the film of you know, pocket

1098
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 2: presence and things like that to understand, you know, where

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00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: does he favor. You know, most quarterbacks favor a certain tackle,

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00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: or they drop back, favor a certain side of their body,

1101
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: or even a certain wide receiver, or maybe to the field.

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00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 6: And to the boundary.

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00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: So you know, taking the little keys and little things

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00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: that I can get and still you know, being able

1105
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: to focus in on you know my main job.

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Speaker 6: Well, keep up the good work man and good luck

1107
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Speaker 6: this week. Thank you, thanks sir God.

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Speaker 4: Really a great interview, good insight there from Carl and Cavon.

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Speaker 4: Now we wrap it up as we usually do, Bob

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Speaker 4: Papa with the head coach of the Giants, Brian David.

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Speaker 9: The Giants are in Las Vegas to take on the Raiders.

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00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 9: As always, we're joined by the head coach of the

1113
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 9: New York Giants Brian Dable and coach. Obviously, you got

1114
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 9: some good news this week with Daniel Jones able to

1115
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 9: work his way back. What have you seen out of

1116
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 9: your quarterback so far this week as far as practice

1117
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 9: is concerned.

1118
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's been on top of the game plan. He's

1119
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 10: had a good week of practice.

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Speaker 9: He'll be ready to go. The last time we saw

1121
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 9: he and Saquon Barkley playing in a game together, you

1122
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 9: guys put up thirty one points in the second half

1123
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 9: against Arizona. Can you just talk about how it works

1124
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 9: with those two playing together and how it can create

1125
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 9: some explosive plays for you guys offensively?

1126
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'd say they're two good players. So as many

1127
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 10: good players as we can have on the field, that's

1128
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 10: always helpful. You know, Saquon is good both in the

1129
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 10: run in the pass, and DJ's got a good understanding

1130
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 10: of what weach want to try to do each.

1131
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: Week, so it would be good to have him both out.

1132
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 9: There going into the game this week. Obviously, there's been

1133
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 9: a lot of changes with the Raiders, but one thing

1134
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 9: hasn't changed. Max Crosby is someone that you're gonna have

1135
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 9: to deal with when you throw the tape on. Obviously

1136
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 9: he's a fantastic player, but does the motor that he

1137
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 9: plays with on every single snap just jump out at you.

1138
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 10: Absolutely, he's an unbelievable player. He's got a great skill set,

1139
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 10: great length, but you know, his motor is off the

1140
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 10: chart and the plays he makes, you know, you can

1141
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 10: make a highlight tape of four to five to even

1142
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 10: more plays each game where you're just.

1143
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 9: Like Wow, I mean, this guy's an.

1144
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 10: Unbelievable football player. He plays with the right mindset, with

1145
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 10: a great motor, and he's got great talent on top

1146
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 10: of it.

1147
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 3: Coach.

1148
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 9: The other thing is his football IQ. I mean, we

1149
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 9: know about his speed, we know how he runs all

1150
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 9: over the place like his hair is on fire, but

1151
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 9: like there was a play in last week's game against

1152
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 9: against the Lions where I think there was a jet

1153
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 9: sweet motion yep, and it's like he peeked through and

1154
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 9: he anticipated and he saw it and you couldn't block

1155
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 9: it because he was ahead of it.

1156
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, like of all the things I just

1157
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 10: talked about, he's got great instincts. Smart player. You know

1158
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 10: you have to do you have to do a good

1159
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 10: job with this guy because he can wreck a game.

1160
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 9: Patrick Graham obviously you spent time with him. He's the

1161
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 9: defensive coordinator for the Raiders. What is it about his

1162
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 9: defense that makes it a challenge for any offense?

1163
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, he's got a variety of schemes. You know,

1164
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 10: I had a chance to work with Pat back at

1165
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 10: New England, have stayed friends with him. Got a lot

1166
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 10: of respect for how he goes about his job. And

1167
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 10: again he does a nice job of mixing things up

1168
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 10: both his own man some pressures, gives you a variety

1169
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 10: of looks, does a great job.

1170
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: Obviously.

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Speaker 9: The big change this week with Josh McDaniels being let

1172
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 9: go and Dave Ziggler being let go, so now you

1173
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 9: have a brand new head coach, an interim head coach

1174
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 9: who's never been a head coach before. Is that caused

1175
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 9: a lot of extra work for your staff this week

1176
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 9: trying to figure out, Okay, what are they going to

1177
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 9: run and how much can they change and if they

1178
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 9: do change a bunch of stuff, where they changing it from.

1179
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, you evaluate the players on the tape and the

1180
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 10: games that they've played. It's a player's game. Obviously, APO

1181
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 10: have his own stamp of how he wants to do things,

1182
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 10: and then you adjust throughout the game. But again, our

1183
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 10: job is to focus on, you know, their schemes, also

1184
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 10: their players, and you know, as the game goes on,

1185
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 10: like every game goes on, you try to manage it

1186
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 10: and make adjustments when you.

1187
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: Need to coach.

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00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 9: The Raiders are going to start a rookie quarterback. They've

1189
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 9: got some weapons both at the running back position in

1190
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 9: Josh Jacobs, wide receiver Devonte Adams, and I would think

1191
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 9: with a young quarterback them running the football is going

1192
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 9: to be a priority.

1193
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 10: Josh is an exceptional player, had him at Alabama, got

1194
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 10: great balance, body control, vision, obviously a very productive back.

1195
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 10: So you know, everything always usually starts with the running game.

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00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 10: And then yeah, there's skilled players are very talented because

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00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 10: I'd say significant issues. Seventeen is one of the best

1198
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 10: receivers in the league, and anytime he's in a one

1199
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 10: on one matchup, you know I'd be looking for him too.

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Speaker 9: Coach, we appreciate a couple of minutes. Best of luck

1201
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 9: this afternoon, first trip for the Giants ever to Las Vegas,

1202
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 9: and we hope that you get the winning hand this week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks pot, appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: That's the head coach of the Giants, Brian Dable. We

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00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 4: thank you so much for joining us right here on

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Speaker 4: the Giants Total Podcast. Thanks to Lance and Jason Horowitz,

1207
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 4: Cavon and Carl and of course jahad Ward. Thanks for

1208
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Speaker 4: being with us. It's all brought to you by Citizens

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Speaker 4: the official Bank of the Giants. I am John Schmelck.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you next time on the Giants Huddle Podcast.