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Speaker 1: Oh here we go on a Monday. We told you

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Speaker 1: it means not look like much on paper, but it

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Speaker 1: was gonna be a really good Sunday and it was

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Speaker 1: overtime games already got coordinators getting whacked one hour from now.

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, always plenty

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Speaker 1: of both.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So Cowboys Eagles, Jay mak it was on paper, we

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Speaker 1: think Dallas is floundering.

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Speaker 2: But somehow Shoddy.

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Speaker 1: Has got this offense, at least in moments, playing out

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Speaker 1: of their mind, and it ended up being in wildly

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Speaker 1: incredibly entertaining games. So let's just start with that one.

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Speaker 1: I said it last week, and I've been a huge

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Speaker 1: critic of the Cowboys. They're not as far off as

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Speaker 1: you think since they've made these trades. Okay, a lot

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Speaker 1: of us may own apology to Gerald Wayne Jones because

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Speaker 1: Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams deals.

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Speaker 2: Now suddenly you can't run on the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: The Micah Parsons trade well didn't have much of an effect.

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Speaker 1: There's still top three in quarterback rushes. The George Pickens move,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the heists. Poor Steelers can't

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Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field. George Pickens third in

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Speaker 1: the NFL in touchdowns. To Marvin Overshown, that dude was

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Speaker 1: great at Texas with the Longhorns. He is healthy, he

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Speaker 1: is super athletic. Two first round picks. They're going to

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Speaker 1: get an edge to replace Micah, probably a corner. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. The offense works man number one in the

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Speaker 1: in scoring. It works, and because of Pickens and CD Lamb,

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Speaker 1: you can't cheat on the run game. So the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Steelers for the fifth year in a row, paying of

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Speaker 1: fortune for a defense that can't stop anybody. You say

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Speaker 1: time in forever. And say this for Jerry or Jerald

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Speaker 1: committed the DAK. He has said he's the best leader

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Speaker 1: nothing throwing. You know he can throw a red zone pick,

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Speaker 2: It's DAK. It's just noise.

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Speaker 1: A lot of that win was DAK, and Jerry said

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Speaker 1: And guess what, the Cowboys are still getting pass rush.

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Speaker 2: A good game. It's the late window. Give me a game.

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Speaker 1: And it was and it's dacked and it's leadership and

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Speaker 1: Philly's been tempting fate four weeks and nobody can quite

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Speaker 1: But more than anything, it is Dak, a lot of noise, unflappable,

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Speaker 1: Jerry's always been committed to him. We all own an apology.

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Speaker 1: They just got to get healthy. They got to get

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Speaker 2: Down twenty one. What did this team draw upon to

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Speaker 3: You know we got that that touched down before having

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Speaker 3: when halftime and we talked about it like we've only

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Speaker 2: We know what we're capable of doing.

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Speaker 4: Come out, stay focused, stick together, and we can win

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Speaker 2: Nobody believed. Everybody believed it.

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Speaker 5: We got it done.

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Speaker 3: George has been such an integral part of our story,

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Speaker 3: Everybody on this team is, and he certainly has absolutely

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this, sometimes you have unintended consequences or

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Speaker 1: I don't think they thought when George Pickens arrived it

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Speaker 1: The great thing about the NFL, it's the league of hope.

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Speaker 1: You can be absolutely awful one year New England and

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Speaker 1: what is great if you have a reasonable quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: He used to be a saying how about them Cowboys?

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Speaker 1: How about them Bears? First place? Now, Chicago was missing

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Speaker 1: Their entire linebacking corps was out. So suddenly you go

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Speaker 1: We've got to actually, we got to move the ball

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Speaker 1: bad strip sack for a touchdown. Yeah he misses open receivers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: four straight game under sixty percent completions. But Ben and

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Speaker 1: Ben has provided creative play design and creative play calling,

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Speaker 1: And Caleb is given Ben Johnson the horsepower that Jared

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Speaker 1: be perfect. Caleb gives you all this horse power, but

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Speaker 1: always take the upside for some struggles and accuracy. And

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Speaker 1: Ben and Caleb were both incredibly gifted. Right now, they're

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Speaker 2: This is Chicago.

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Speaker 1: That's something Green Bay does, or McVey does, or Shanahan does,

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Speaker 1: If your sacked sixty eight times and it's down to eleven,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a perfect fit. They're facing a

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Speaker 2: That's not a place I'd want to be.

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Speaker 1: But Ben and Caleb addressed the number one issue. What

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Speaker 1: they're doing under center. It really works. And here's with Caleb.

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Speaker 1: You don't get the picks. It's very rare in the

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Speaker 1: When you get the massive upside, there's usually a downside.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't draw them. So it's it's working. They're winning.

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Speaker 1: It's a little uneven, it's not always a perfect fit.

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Speaker 1: But when you're missing your entire linebacking crew and you're

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. The red hot Patriots hammered the Colts who

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Speaker 2: So wins are wins. Here's Ben after hell.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, tell you what, I tell you what.

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Speaker 2: It takes a village. It takes a village.

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Speaker 6: And I'm talking about players, I'm talking about coaches, I'm

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Speaker 6: talking about training staff, I'm talking about everybody in this building.

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Speaker 6: And here we are towards the back half the season

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Speaker 6: and our depth is being tested.

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Speaker 2: All right, It would have been so easy to want.

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Speaker 5: Man, how are we gonna win this game? We got

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Speaker 1: How about that?

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Speaker 2: I'm stunned at that. And the Eagles, I don't know

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was right, Well, I've been saying for weeks

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Speaker 1: Oregon was missing their top three receivers, didn't seem to

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Speaker 1: Again, I said, Pittsburgh, look at their schedule. Steelers will

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Speaker 1: John Moran, NBA reporters love small, poor shooting, athletic guards.

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Speaker 1: This weekend. He's never going to grow up. Another embarrassing moment.

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Speaker 1: He's now a bench player, talking trash. Last two years,

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Speaker 5: He's running his mouth for a long time.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of the story of his career so far.

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Speaker 5: Just leaving us once more. We need that in the NBA.

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Speaker 5: We need our best players to be out.

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Speaker 7: Comes with a great responsibility and I hate to.

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Speaker 5: See that called the waste.

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Speaker 1: There is more to being a star in the NBA

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Speaker 1: and galvanizing egos. Joe's never had that.

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Speaker 1: He can do equally well NFL Discussion or college football.

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Speaker 1: He's always a treat on our show, Robert Griffin. The

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Speaker 2: Let's just get that. I mean, let's just get it

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Speaker 1: When Tim Tebow came into the league, I was like,

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Speaker 1: It's it's not it's not a normal life like the

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Speaker 7: I have a relationship with every quarterback that has been

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Speaker 7: there this season for the Clan Browns. Joe Flack was

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Speaker 7: teammates with him in Baltimore. No Canny Pickett really really well,

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Speaker 7: no Dylan Well and no sheder Well. And when you

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Speaker 7: watch the game, the Browns played with more energy, more purpose,

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Speaker 7: and more excitement than they have all season long because

443
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Speaker 7: of his ability to make the extended play and with

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Speaker 7: that comes mistakes. He'd do a bad interception, but he bounced.

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Speaker 5: Back really well off of it.

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Speaker 7: And when I watched him playing, you saw Miles Garrett's

447
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Speaker 7: reaction on the sideline when he throws that deep shot

448
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Speaker 7: tied da bomb. They weren't reacting like that with any

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Speaker 7: other quarterback in the game. So I think he has

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Speaker 7: the pulse of the team, the pulse of the city,

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Speaker 7: and some of that self awareness you're talking about. He

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Speaker 7: is self aware that he believes he is going to

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Speaker 7: be successful, so he speaks confidently, he walks around confidently,

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Speaker 7: and that is why he's not afraid to make those

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Speaker 7: types of throws deep down the field because he is

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Speaker 7: not afraid of the potential mistakes, which you can't say that.

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Speaker 5: For every other quarterback that's been under center.

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Speaker 6: There.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is something Robert about.

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Speaker 2: The locker rooms.

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Speaker 1: Like I remember talking to players who played with Michael

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Speaker 1: Vick and they were like, man, Michael made you feel

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Speaker 1: bigger and faster. Like Michael was like, you know, Michael,

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, you'd play better defense because you're like,

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Speaker 1: just get Michael, just give Michael one more possession. You're saying,

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Speaker 1: that's a real thing with certain players.

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Speaker 5: I think it is.

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Speaker 7: And the reason Dylan Gabriel is so beloved by coaches

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Speaker 7: is because he is going to do what you ask

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Speaker 7: him to do and he's gonna get it done right.

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Speaker 7: But coaching the difference. I always believe this colin. The

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Speaker 7: difference between coaching and playing is the players know how

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Speaker 7: to do it in a way that sometimes might feel unconventional.

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Speaker 7: They never drew up that play that deep shots Isaiah

475
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Speaker 7: Bond and said, all right, Shade, what we want you

476
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Speaker 7: to do is when they pressure escape the pocket, immediately

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Speaker 7: run to your right and throw a fifty two yard

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Speaker 7: bomb down the field.

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Speaker 5: That was not in the game plan. Okay, but great players,

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Speaker 5: guys who have a.

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Speaker 7: Good feel for the game, they find their ways into

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Speaker 7: those types of plays.

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Speaker 5: Even the Jerry Judy pass.

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Speaker 7: Where I don't know what he was doing with the

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Speaker 7: hop skip and a jump trying to do a high

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Speaker 7: step in.

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Speaker 5: The middle of the field. But those are plays that

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Speaker 5: Dylan Gabriel isn't making.

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Speaker 7: Because he is such like a coaching one on one

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Speaker 7: type of player. You have to live with the good

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Speaker 7: and the bad. From Shadeur, that screen path for a

492
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Speaker 7: touchdown was exactly.

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Speaker 5: How they drew it up.

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Speaker 7: But you got to take those plays with some of

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Speaker 7: his unconventional playmaking as well, because he will make the

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Speaker 7: team feel bigger and brighter about themselves. He the defense

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Speaker 7: had ten sacks. I think that's a byproduct if they

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Speaker 7: were excited to have SHIRER. Sanders out there on the

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Speaker 7: field with them.

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Speaker 2: A team I think is really good is Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Now. They didn't eat the Rams, but nobody I mean

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Speaker 1: the Rams haven't trailed in weeks, and the Rams don't

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Speaker 1: have penalties, they don't turn it ont. Rams are playing

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Speaker 1: at a level right now. You only worry is do

505
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Speaker 1: they peak. JSN is about to break an all time

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Speaker 1: NFL record if he keeps it up.

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Speaker 2: So I want you to.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, you do college and pro what makes him

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Speaker 1: so special? If it was easy, everybody could do it.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't run a four two five. He's not the

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Speaker 1: biggest guy. What is he doing that other receivers who

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Speaker 1: are bigger, who are faster, aren't doing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know.

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Speaker 7: I do love to quote this person because the hips

515
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Speaker 7: don't lie.

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Speaker 5: And that's what Shakira told us.

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Speaker 7: All right, And I look at JSN, I say he's

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Speaker 7: a hipconnoisseur. You talk about his ability to feel leverage

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Speaker 7: and work guy's leverage against themselves. We talked about this

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Speaker 7: off air. He has a knack for finding open space.

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Speaker 7: But I think his next level trait is he is

522
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Speaker 7: not worried about catching the football. He's so confident in

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Speaker 7: that regard that when the ball is in the air,

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Speaker 7: he's already thinking, how can I make the next play.

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Speaker 7: He caught that pass down the field this past weekend,

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Speaker 7: and most guys would fall as soon as they feel contact,

527
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Speaker 7: just to make sure they can secure the catch.

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Speaker 5: He's not worried about it. You just saw it right there.

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Speaker 7: He's catching the ball, He's like, how do I get

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Speaker 7: to the end zone? To me, his ability to do

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Speaker 7: those things is what makes him a quarterback's best friend.

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Speaker 7: He's going to be on time, he's going to be

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Speaker 7: in rhythm, he's going to be open, he's going to

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Speaker 7: use your leverage against you as a dB, and he's

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Speaker 7: going to score touchdowns when you least expect him to

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Speaker 7: score touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the thing with Caleb is great games under

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Speaker 1: sixty percent. I always feel like the bigger ceiling you have,

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Speaker 1: I don't need you to be Kirk Cousins. If you

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Speaker 1: can throw him or run like Cam don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: need sixty eight. If you're Drew Brees, I don't get

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Speaker 1: the deep ball. If you're Kirk Cousins, I don't get

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Speaker 1: the movement. So Caleb hit sixty one and a half

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Speaker 1: percent and I got the big plays.

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Speaker 2: I'm good with it.

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Speaker 1: He does miss stuff. Let me ask you, is accuracy?

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Speaker 1: How correctable is it? Some things some guys in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: John Morant was a never a great shooter. Russell Westbrook,

549
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Speaker 1: it's worked his tail off. He's not but right like,

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Speaker 1: some things are correctable, and some guys are never great shooters.

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Speaker 1: When you look at Caleb's accuracy issues, can we just

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Speaker 1: say he listen, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: You're getting so much upside.

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Speaker 1: If he gets sixty one percent, that's gravy on top

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Speaker 1: of everything else.

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Speaker 2: How do you view that?

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Speaker 7: I view it as I'm gonna say this and sew

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Speaker 7: them out.

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Speaker 5: Love it.

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Speaker 7: But accuracy is a myth, all right? If I you

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Speaker 7: just that ball he threw behind the tight end. But

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Speaker 7: if he throws that and puts that ball in the

563
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Speaker 7: right place, the right place might be on the guy's shoelaces.

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Speaker 7: The right place might be his back shoulder when he's

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Speaker 7: running full speed, to in his front shoulder being the

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Speaker 7: right side of his body. Accuracy, to me is always

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Speaker 7: dependent upon where the defense is and what you're trying

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Speaker 7: to get the receiver to do. So where I think

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Speaker 7: his sixty one percent completion percentage comes from is more

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Speaker 7: so the fact that he is willing to take more

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Speaker 7: chances to have big plays occur, which drives down his

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Speaker 7: completion percentage. Do you want a guy that's going to

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Speaker 7: be a checkdown Charlie. Do you want a guy that

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Speaker 7: is not going to take those risks deep down the

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Speaker 7: field because he's afraid to make mistakes. I don't think

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Speaker 7: that's who Caleb Williams is. I think he's aggressive by nature,

577
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Speaker 7: and what Ben Johnson has been able to accomplish with

578
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Speaker 7: him is eliminate those negative plays that I heard you

579
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Speaker 7: talking about earlier on this show. I think their relationship

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Speaker 7: is perfect because what Caleb gives him. You mentioned this

581
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Speaker 7: about Jared Golf. Jared, if it's there and you scheme

582
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Speaker 7: it up, he's going to hit it. Caleb gives you

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Speaker 7: the ability that when you get into the playoffs, it's

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Speaker 7: no longer about just the exes and the ods.

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Speaker 5: It's about the jimmies and the Joe's, and.

586
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Speaker 7: Caleb Williams is one of those Jimmies and Joe's that

587
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Speaker 7: is going to make a play that is going to

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Speaker 7: make your jaw hit the ground and you need that

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Speaker 7: at the quarterback position. And I think they just have

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Speaker 7: that perfect match of Okay, let me get into my

591
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Speaker 7: WUSAU moments and make sure I do what I need

592
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Speaker 7: to do, and then when it's time to be superman,

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Speaker 7: Caleb Williams can do that as well.

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Speaker 1: All Right, A couple of college questions, because you're so

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Speaker 1: good at this, I said, I said, if you don't

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Speaker 1: have regulations, then aggressive people on Wall Street, in Silicon

597
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Speaker 1: Valley or in college football are going to be aggressive.

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Speaker 1: In the NFL, I can't go poach Andy Reider, Sean Payton,

599
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Speaker 1: weak pet, but encourage in college I can. And LSU

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Speaker 1: didn't give a rip about Ole Miss. If you don't

601
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Speaker 1: have if you don't have stipulations, regulations or roadblocks, I'm

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Speaker 1: just going to go buy your coach. I don't blame

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Speaker 1: the individual, I blame the sport or Am I wrong?

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Speaker 2: Is their loyalty? Am I being? You know?

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to be Pollyanna about it,

606
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Speaker 1: but it's like I I just think in life, smart

607
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Speaker 1: aggressive people, if you don't have regulations, are going to

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Speaker 1: be aggressive.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna blame Lane.

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Speaker 5: How do you view it? No, I think you're one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent right there, Colin.

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Speaker 7: It's loyalty comes into effect in college football when the

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Speaker 7: price is similar.

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Speaker 5: Okay, if all misses.

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Speaker 7: Coming to lang Kiffin saying hey, you've done a great

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Speaker 7: job here, You've built this program back up, We're a

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Speaker 7: national title contender year after year.

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Speaker 5: Now with you being at the Helm, and we're going

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Speaker 5: to offer.

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Speaker 7: You eighty five million dollars to be our coach, well,

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Speaker 7: then I think Lane Kiffin would be an idiot to

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Speaker 7: leave and go to LSU or go to Florida. But

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Speaker 7: if they're saying, hey, here's ninety million dollars over here

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Speaker 7: at another school and the school you're currently at is

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Speaker 7: going to give you sixty, yeah, there's no loyalty there.

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Speaker 7: And I think anyone that is claiming that they would

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Speaker 7: take the sixty over the ninety is lying to you

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Speaker 7: and you should never trust them in anything. So I

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Speaker 7: understand what Lane Kiffin's history that people say, oh, well,

630
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Speaker 7: he's done this. He did this with the Raiders, he

631
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Speaker 7: did that over at Alabama, did this at Tennessee, at USC,

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Speaker 7: whatever it may be. But in this situation, if ole

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Speaker 7: Miss isn't going to match with the other schools they're

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Speaker 7: willing to pay him, or at least get close within

635
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Speaker 7: a couple million, then he should leave. And he would

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Speaker 7: be right to do that by his family, because although

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Speaker 7: it might be more risky to go to LSU and

638
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Speaker 7: more risky to potentially go to Florida, if they're going

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Speaker 7: to pay him significantly more, he knows, Hey, man, if

640
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Speaker 7: they fired me in four years because of the buyouts,

641
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Speaker 7: I'm going to the bank with ninety million dollars, I

642
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Speaker 7: might never have to coach ever again in my life,

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Speaker 7: and I can take care of my family.

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Speaker 5: So I think that part of it. He is a

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Speaker 5: human being.

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Speaker 7: He has a family to take care of, and he

647
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Speaker 7: has to look out in the best interests of his family,

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Speaker 7: especially when the dollars don't match.

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Speaker 1: Okay, finally, it's not that USC lost. Winning at Otson

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Speaker 1: is really hard. Buckeye's lost there last year. After the loss,

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley says, oh, we're close, and I'm like, timeout,

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Speaker 1: twenty seven carries fifty two yards. If Kirby's smart had

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Speaker 1: a team that ran for fifty two yards on twenty

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Speaker 1: seven carries, he would be furious. He would be outraged.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it would be laps on the track after

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Speaker 1: the game. And my take is this whole thing about

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Speaker 1: we're close. You got whacked at Notre Dame, you got

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Speaker 1: whacked at Oregon. I mean a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: whacked at Michigan. You gotta beat Illinois. I think it's

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Speaker 1: the mindset four years in in big games against the

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Speaker 1: best teams, Penn State, doesn't matter where it's at Notre Dame, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Last year, Illinois Oregon, you can't make stops and your

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Speaker 1: special teams are a wreck. Yeah, I mean that it's

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Speaker 1: not that you lose so or Oregon didn't play well.

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Speaker 1: Hey mean, Oregon had it in the first happening like

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Speaker 1: seven penalties, Oregon was missing three receivers. I just think

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Speaker 1: to myself, nobody wants to hear that. You gotta understand,

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Speaker 1: this is when Pete was here. There was no NFL.

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Speaker 1: It was next to the Lakers. It's the biggest show

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Speaker 1: in town. Correct, So how what do you take from well,

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Speaker 1: we're close, How does.

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Speaker 5: That land for you?

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Speaker 7: Well, Conn, I do think they are close, And the

674
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Speaker 7: thing is what you just brought up is probably the

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Speaker 7: thing that's weighing heaviest.

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Speaker 5: On Lincoln Riley.

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Speaker 7: They brought him in to bring back the show, and

678
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Speaker 7: in order for the show to really be there, you

679
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 7: have to win the big games on the field. No

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Speaker 7: one cares if you beat Northwestern, right, they care if

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Speaker 7: you can beat Oregon. And I think what this team

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Speaker 7: has been going through over the last couple of seasons

683
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Speaker 7: is adjusting to playing in the Big Ten. Even though

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Speaker 7: I know Oregon is an old Pac twelve opponent and

685
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Speaker 7: an old Pac twelve rivalry, They're adjusting their style of

686
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Speaker 7: play to having to play against the bigger, medior offense

687
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Speaker 7: and defensive lines that they're facing in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 7: And when I say yes, they are close, they have

689
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Speaker 7: the quarterback. They're down there starting two running backs. King

690
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Speaker 7: Miller is a great story, but he wasn't their starter

691
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Speaker 7: going into the season. For a reason. It's because way Moo,

692
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Speaker 7: Jordan and Sanders and Elis Sanders were better running backs.

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Speaker 7: So I don't look at this to make excuses for

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Speaker 7: Lincoln I do think Lincoln Riley is a great coach.

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Speaker 7: I think that him leaving Oklahoma the way that he

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00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 7: did rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I

697
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 7: think he is feeling that pressure, knowing that he's on

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Speaker 7: a ten year deal and they haven't gotten to where they.

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Speaker 5: Need to be quite yet. I do think they there.

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Speaker 7: I think his answers in the media are to not

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Speaker 7: add more pressure and more backlash to what he's already

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Speaker 7: receiving from the media itself. So he has to be

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Speaker 7: confident and he has to say I think we're close.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise, if he gives up.

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Speaker 7: Then everyone's really gonna start calling for him to get fired,

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Speaker 7: more so than they already are.

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Speaker 1: I know nobody wants to throw it out there. I

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Speaker 1: think Ohio State is gonna bury Michigan this weekend in

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Speaker 1: an arbory.

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Speaker 5: I think they.

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Speaker 2: Bury him.

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Speaker 5: You think they're gonna bury him.

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Speaker 1: I think this defense you have to go back about.

714
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Speaker 1: Maybe the Jalen Carter Georgia defense. Maybe one of Knicks.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, linebacker secondary, the windows are tiny. It's

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Speaker 1: a freshman quarterback. I'm with you, and I like him.

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Speaker 2: He is nineteen.

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Speaker 5: I can't say I'm with you that they're gonna bury them.

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Speaker 7: I do think the fact that Michigan is one of

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Speaker 7: the last four meetings does mean something. I think when

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Speaker 7: you have this rivalry, the records go out the window,

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Speaker 7: and there's two big factors. One how healthy is Jeremiah

723
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Speaker 7: Smith and Carnell Take going to be if they play

724
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Speaker 7: in this game?

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Speaker 5: Because if they don't play, I think.

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Speaker 7: That that's not just a big factor, it's it's also

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Speaker 7: gonna hurt the defense because this defense is extremely talented.

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Speaker 7: But the one thing you can never truly account for

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Speaker 7: is Underwood and his ability to make extended plays. Every

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Speaker 7: defensive coordinator when they face a guy that can make

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Speaker 7: plays with his arm and his legs, stay up all

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Speaker 7: night about it. So that to me are the two

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Speaker 7: biggest factors. How are they going to keep him bottled up?

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Speaker 7: And then are they going to have their full arsenal

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Speaker 7: weapons on the offensive side. This is a really great

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Speaker 7: game to watch because of the magnitude of it, and

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Speaker 7: I believe this Colin. If Michigan beats Ohio State, I

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Speaker 7: think the Big Ten gets four teams, four teams into

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Speaker 7: the College Football Playoff.

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Speaker 5: Who I know that's a one way in the show

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Speaker 5: is you're.

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Speaker 1: Saying it like you gave it a big old possibility, that.

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Speaker 5: It's always a possibility.

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Speaker 7: And listen, I got no bias, I got no dog

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Speaker 7: in the fight when it comes.

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Speaker 5: To who who are you more loyal to Ohio.

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Speaker 7: State or Michigan. I just know that this game means everything.

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Speaker 7: And we've seen Michigan beat Ohio State when they weren't

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Speaker 7: very good. So now Michigan has clawed their way back

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Speaker 7: into the at least somewhat of a conversation of having

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Speaker 7: a chance to make the College Fotball Playoff. This is

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Speaker 7: their super Bowl, and if they win it, I think

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Speaker 7: they get in.

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Speaker 2: Robert, always a pleasure, my friend.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate you, brother,