WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 11/9: 3 Up/Down vs. Commanders, Colts Preview and Matchups to Watch 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.920 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.880 Lazar and Alex Bart and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it? 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:14.640 He joined as always by our. 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.079 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr. Whoever is is 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:24.520 gonna have an easier time than the guy right now? 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.880 Shocker, right, you can make it easier on the quarterback. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:28.639 I thought, well, no, that's a dirty thing. Don't you 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.080 dare say you should get the quarterback out? No, because 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.479 that means he's not good. He should do all this. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.200 Welcome into a brand new Catch twenty two. Alex Bart 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.919 in the host chair today because Evan Lazar is in 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.400 Germany as the Patriots get ready to take on the 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:49.440 Colts on Sunday. Evan made the trip out. I mean, 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.080 he's on the show, but I'm in the host chair 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:52.239 because I'm the one that's patch Land. 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:53.360 Here I am. I'm here. 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.920 Evan is in deutsch Land. Is it guten tog guten dog? 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:58.160 That's good morning? Right? 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.520 No, Morgan is good morning, but here it's guten tog 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.200 because it's four o'clock in the afternoon. 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.399 So what is guten tog? Is that like good afternood afternoon? 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:06.839 Okay? 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.880 Yeah, so Guten morgan, guten tog Yes, probably as much 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:12.560 German as I'm gonna try to speak. We'll see if 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.479 Evan can slip any end, but we're gonna I've. 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.280 Learned a little bit out here, and you gotta gotta 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.240 survive these streets, you know what I'm saying. So you 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:20.720 got to you gotta go out there and learn a 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:21.160 little bit. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.399 So I got some words for you we can drop 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:25.800 if have you been able to order food? That to 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.360 me is like the big one. I remember I went 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.840 up to Quebec when I was in high school and 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.760 I took French in high school and I went up 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.039 to Quebec, and I was so proud of myself when 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.920 I ordered a sandwich completely in French. I probably butchered it, 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.000 like I didn't get what I wanted, but the transaction happened. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.320 So that to me is the big test. Have you 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:43.520 ordered food in Germany? 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:43.720 Yet? 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.560 I have ordered food? I honestly, a lot of people 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.400 speak English over here, most people. That's not what I'm saying. 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:52.400 I know you can order food speaking English. I've seen 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:53.840 you do that. I would hope you can do that. 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.480 Have you ordered food speaking German? 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.280 No? I haven't, but you're right, I should try. Maybe 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:01.400 I'll try for dinner tonight. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:02.880 See can you do that once by the end of 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:03.840 the trip and let us know how. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.880 Yeah, I think I can pull it off. Maybe. 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.320 So Evan is in Germany, you're at Is it Patriots House? 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:11.639 You guys have like to set up there? 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.880 Yeah, so we're I'm in Patriots House h a us 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:20.200 of course house right now. And it's great crowd. We 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.040 got a lot of German Patriots fans, which is pretty 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.440 cool because you know, Alex like people call from Europe 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.919 and call from different places in the world, so it's 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.200 it's cool to see a different group of fans. And 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.280 we got pat Patriot here. We got Vince will Fork 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.359 I'll assume Sebastian Volmer is around here somewhere as well 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.920 with Marcus Kohn. So we got a lot of different 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.440 things going on, and there's food, there's you know, we 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.840 got this whole setup with the stage and everything, and 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.760 then Unfiltered we'll be up here on video so you'll 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.359 be able to see into it a little bit when 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.200 we do Unfiltered after this, and we have a whole 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.400 setup up here, so it's it's pretty fun. You know, 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:02.160 it's been a great couple of days here. Honestly. The 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.840 jet lag, of course, as you can imagine, Barth has 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.160 been a little bit tough. Yeah, but now that we're through. Now, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:09.960 we're through that part of it for the most part, 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.960 I'd say, But I had never been I've never been 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.440 to Europe in my life, so I checked that box off, 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.920 and I have never been like a head in time wise, 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:21.600 right you know, I've been to the West Coast, as 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.400 you know, a billion times, but that's going back, So 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.440 going ahead is a whole different animal. I'll tell you that. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.480 It's very, very weird to wake up here and it's 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.840 the middle of the night back home and things like that, 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.080 but it's the atmosphere is great here. You know, it's 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.320 kind of like a Super Bowl where it's gonna turn 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.440 up as we get closer and closer to the game. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.920 But there's a ton of Patriots fans here even with this, 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:45.680 you know, state of the team, which I think says 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:46.880 a lot about the fan base. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:51.240 What is like the football buzz there because they had 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.160 a game last week and good game Chiefs and Dolphins 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:58.400 and just the overall football buzz in the city right now. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.720 I think it's great. Like I said, what's been really impressive, 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.040 I would say is you don't recognize how many fans 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.520 that the Patriots have over here in Europe. And we've 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.320 had so many people that are either from Germany and 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.599 live in Germany currently, but even people from the UK 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.040 or people from other parts of Europe that are coming 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.679 or migrating over here. It's for the game and coming 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.760 out for the week or a couple of days before 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.120 the game as well to come here. So it's it's 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.240 definitely interesting, and I think that it's there's certainly a 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.560 lot of people that are starting to want to know football, 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.799 and football I think is getting more and more popular 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.200 over here, so it's going to be interesting to see. 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.680 I think what it's like really, you know, Saturday before 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.800 the game and then obviously Sunday at the game. The 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.240 atmosphere for the Chiefs game was apparently incredible. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.880 I gotta say it so Tamara Brown just tweet out 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.280 of picture you sitting up on that stage, all the 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.040 big chairs. That's a good one. Last one and then 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.240 we can get to the football. I'm just curious. So 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.960 it's this stadium. They're holding games at this stadium in 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.320 Frankrt's it's uh and I'm blanking on the name of 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.080 the stadium right now. I should know this Deutsche Bank 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.839 Deutsch Have you gotten to like check out the stadium 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.280 or how's the stadium as a football venue from what 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:16.680 you are? 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.960 So we've we've drone past it, and then obviously some 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.080 of our team has, you know, done some some prelim 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.240 scouting right to just make sure that they have to 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.920 lay of the land and everything. Hello Bradley, Bradley just 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.560 swave and high saying hi to YouTube Barth and uh. 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.440 So there there. We have been to the stadium, are 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.000 driven to the stadium. But tomorrow we'll we'll really get 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.880 boots on the ground when the team arrives and then 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.200 we'll we'll be at the stadium a little bit tomorrow. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.239 But we've we've seen it and it it's impressive stadium. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.040 We actually when we flew in the other night or 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.479 the other morning, I guess I should say here you 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.520 could see it from as we were landing, and so 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.160 you got that nice bird's eye view of the stadium, 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:02.240 which was pretty cool. And I would say, it's everybody's 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.120 just looking at me right now, like what the hell 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.239 is going on. But yeah, it's it's been pretty cool. 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.200 And I would say that we can probably tell you 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:15.280 more about the actual stadium itself tomorrow, but in general, 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.560 I think what's cool about the stadium is it's kind 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.760 of got like covering on the outside, but then the 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.400 inside is open air, so there's a roof, but it's 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.000 open right now, and I think I'm hoping it's going 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:27.880 to be open for the game. 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.159 Wait, it's good. It's got one of those big scoreboards too. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.280 I saw that, which I know last week punters were 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.080 hitting yeah, the scoreboard last week, so you know, I'm 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.880 excited about that. If we can get into the Patriots 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:39.720 playing the Colts in that stadium in a little bit, 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:41.839 it's it's time now we get into as we usually 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.640 do from last week, the Patriots and the Commanders, a 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.960 twenty seventeen game. Also, you want to call in talk 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.240 with us eight five five Pats five hundred is the 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.440 phone number eight five five seven two eight seven five hundred. 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.240 If you want to call in a chat with us, 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.360 email web radio at Patriots dot com. We'll get into 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.560 the game a little bit. We'll get into the Colts 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.200 game ahead, Evan. There was also some big pre draft 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.720 news this week, not necessarily about any of the players, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.760 but a change in the pre draft process that I 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.440 think people who listened to this show and people who 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.360 are fans of the show, I think it's relevant to them. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.320 So we'll touch on that a little bit at the 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:20.840 end of the show, plus whatever you guys want to 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.000 talk about. But you know, as we get into the 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:27.720 Patriots Commander's game from last week, a close game, I 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.800 guess we'll just start there. A close game against what 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.400 felt like to evenly match teams, but the Patriots came 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.200 up short. Is that sort of your read on it? 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.280 Yeah? I thought that was exactly what it was. And 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.760 the big thing and kind of spinning it forward to 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.800 to this game in Germany, it just seemed like, Look, 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.160 I think everybody looks at the Patriots the last couple 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.200 of years and sees this fall from grace that has 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.960 slowly gotten to this point to where there are a 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.720 two and seven football team. But what had kept them afloat? 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.560 I felt like last year even winning eight and like, 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.600 looking back on last year, Barth, doesn't it feel kind 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.360 of crazy that that team managed to win eight games? Yeah, 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.840 and then the year before that they won ten and 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.600 made the playoffs, and it always felt like they had 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:15.200 this level of fundamentals of locked in execution in terms 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.400 of assignments and things like that, that even if they 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.360 got beat, even if they weren't the better team that day, 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.600 they were still able to win these games like this 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.080 one against the Commanders. You know, a second year quarterback, 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.480 he's still finding his way in the league, and Sam 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.680 Howell and at home, and you just felt like the 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.480 Patriots would always pull those types of games out in 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.600 the end. And I think what we've seen is just 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:42.040 the fundamentals and the assignments and the mental part of 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.360 the game, and to an extent as well, a lot 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.600 of that has just fallen by the wayside, it feels 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.120 like with this team, and that's where I'm at with them. 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.800 I think we talked so much on this show about 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:56.240 personnel and missteps by the build, the GM side of things, 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:57.960 but now you have to look at this team and 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.959 start to think about are they well coached from a 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:05.960 fundamental perspective? Are they sound? Are they understanding the game 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.600 plan and the concepts and things like that. In this 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.440 game is particularly on defense offense, I think they still 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:15.440 had their issues based off of mainly talent, you know, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.280 just right execution, quarterbacks, play talent. Funny. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.280 I would actually say in terms of coaching, one thing 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.880 that stood at as a positive in this game, and 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:24.480 we'll get to ups and downs in a little bit, 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.880 but I'll kind of spoil one of mine here was 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.600 the offensive line. In just that they were down Trent Brown, 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.440 who's been their best linemen. They were facing a team that, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.640 even after trading away two of their best pass rushers, 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.160 still has a very formidable defensive front. Yeah, they did 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.200 get bailed out on a week roughing the passer call, 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.000 but that felt like the only massive breakdown. There were 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.920 some little issues here and there, But to lose Trent 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.199 Brown have to turn econom McDermott, who wasn't even on 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.120 the roster three weeks ago, and hold up as a 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.840 whole the way they did against Washington. Again, they were 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.280 the blips here and there, but to hold up the 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.960 way they did as a whole thing says that, you know, 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.680 is a good job on the coaching staff. Now, the 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.640 offensive line coach, Adrian clem is going to be away 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.839 from the team here, Bill Belichick said earlier this week 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.880 for a little while. It's a health issue Buill didn't 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.040 and he didn't need to, you know, go beyond that. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.760 I get that there's privacy things, and obviously we hope, 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.839 you know, the best for Adrian Clem and whatever he's 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.319 dealing with. It's been a weird season for these kind 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.160 of things, especially on the offensive line. Calvin Anderson now 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.280 missing time for this second time this year due to 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.320 an illness in Clem. But I thought the offensive line 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.679 in that sense left often a good way. But besides that, I. 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:33.120 Agree with you. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.920 I think there were opportunities left on the table or 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.880 just attempts at things that Like they're running bubble screens 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.959 to Juju Smith Schuster and it's something I'd tried early 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.079 in the year. It didn't work, and it was like, 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:45.840 all right, you tried it, it didn't work. They hadn't 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.520 gone back to it, and I get that we criticized 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.800 them when they did it, but especially early in the season, 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.560 that's what you do. You're trying thing. It's a feeling 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:53.240 out process. 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:53.960 Didn't work. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.760 It seemed like they moved on and now maybe it's 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.480 because of injuries or whatever. Those kind of players are 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.480 coming back, and I thought that was interesting. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.560 Yeah, I think the offensive line is a great point. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:08.240 And we talk so much about the quarterback and about Mac, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.760 and I think you and I have have been labeled 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.679 Mack apologists at times. In the last two weeks, pressure 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.520 on the quarterback has not been a major issue. Even 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.720 without Trent Brown last week, the pressure rate was kept 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:23.480 in manageable range. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.120 And he's realistic. They weren't, you know, the nineties cowboys, 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:28.040 but it was realistic. 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.720 Yeah, And I think that when you start to look 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.080 at it on this film, the biggest thing with Mac 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:38.120 Jones is that he just doesn't seem to be seeing 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.920 the field as well as he normally does, and his 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.959 like his timing where everything is lined up for him 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.920 to make throws down the field, it's all sped up. 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.080 Everything is sped up about the quarterback right now. His 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.720 reads are sped up, his decisions are sped up, his 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.920 feet are unsettled, and he just looks like he's always 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.720 in a rush. And if there's one thing that I 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.160 could look at if I was Bill O'Brien, I think 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.560 these next eight games, the way I feel about it, Alex, 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.839 is that Mack is auditioning for his job in twenty 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:10.880 twenty four. Over the last eight games of the season, 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.840 not necessarily in wins and losses, but just in terms 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.000 of there's two different directions that this team could go 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.880 from here. They could either bring Mack back, draft Marvin 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.200 Harrison Junior, signed T Higgins draft to tackle, and try 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.400 to just build this thing up around him. 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:28.360 With the host year. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.559 Yeah, and hope that that makes the quarterback look better 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.360 a'la Miami a la San Francisco all the teams that 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.800 we've talked about in the past, or you feel like 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.000 you have to start all over at the quarterback position 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.360 with the draft pick or what have you. And I 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.600 feel like these next eight games are an audition for 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.640 Mac to make his case. 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.920 And if I can just add to that, Yeah, and 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:52.760 I've said this before. This isn't a new take, but 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.320 I think it ties in on top of auditioning for 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.400 his job. And I know you said that that's independent 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.560 of wins and losses to an extent. It is he 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.640 can play quarterback at a higher level and the team 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.000 could still very well end up losing games. He played 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.600 at a high level early this year in games that 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:11.320 they lost, But there's also this element of he needs 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.520 to keep them out of position to draft his replacement 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:15.760 if they end up they as we said here today, 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.520 they'd have the fifth pick. Let's say Drake may is 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.600 the fifth is on the board of five, they can't 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.160 not take them. So Mac needs to get this team 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.959 some wins so that guys like Kayleb Williams, Drake and 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:29.920 Michael Pennocks are off the board. And then you're looking 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.679 at Jolt, You're looking at Olufashanu. Maybe it's not Marvin Harrison, 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.160 but Romadonza Malik Neighbors as being the kind of guy 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.680 that's gonna, uh make more sense as the addition to 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.240 add to Mac rather than to bring in the next guy. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.960 Yeah, exactly. He needs to prove or whether he plays 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.360 them out of that position or rite whatever, that he 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.360 he should be in the mix in twenty twenty four. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.920 And I know a lot of people have made their 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.200 minds up about Mac, like they've written them off and 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.720 they say, you know, saying that they immediately need to 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:03.800 move on. And I've been of the school I thought, 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.760 as you know, that I think they haven't done enough 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.360 to add around him, and I still feel that way 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.800 to an extent, But I also look at a team 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.200 like the Houston Texans, right now, for example, that game. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.240 I don't know how much of that game you got 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:18.920 to watch, but I just watched some of the highlights. 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:20.440 Yeah, I went back and checked out on our way 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:20.880 over here. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:21.560 C J. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.840 Stroud is making that team relevant. Yeah, he has flipped 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.840 the switch in Houston, and whether it's sustainable and whether 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.320 it goes on to be in a franchise quarterback type 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.680 of thing. He looks like he is going on to 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.160 have a hell of a career in the NFL. And 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.280 sometimes just getting that type of player, even if it's 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.640 not significantly better, and they don't go out Miami style 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.160 and draft Jalen Waddle and trade for Tyreek Hill and 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.440 make it the super offense, the quarterback can make a 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.240 huge difference. And I think that in this film with 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.040 mag you know that I know that Mike Kasicki one 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.400 is going around now right, people have picked that one up. 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.680 Mikeasicki up this wide open and he rushes the decision 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.600 and scrambles that. That's a big one. But I thought 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.360 that there was other things. As pat Patriot is dancing 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:09.360 and right in front of me. 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.200 Right now, the duality of man. 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.720 I think there is a lot of other reps or 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.000 whatever you want to drop backs in this game where 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.080 similar things were happening, I think that was the most 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:20.960 egregious one. 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.720 Yeah, was the one to Kasicki. But that there's the 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.320 one to Thornton. And what's frustrating is there's some good 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:33.000 throws too. The touchdown hunter Henry is a seed the throat. 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.840 I know people hate the throw to Juju because Jonathan 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.480 villm has said it on the broadcast. Jonathan No that 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.400 if the ball hits the receiver in both of his hands, 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.720 it's a good throw, like period, full stop. That's just 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.880 in terms of the throw itself. You can argue the decision, 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.640 but he trust himself to make that throw. He made 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.880 that throw. The deep throw to Rager is a good throw. Now, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.840 two of his best throws were dropped. That's its own thing, 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:57.800 and that's where you get into the talent around him. 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.920 But that's what makes it so frustrating is there are 0:15:59.920 --> 0:16:03.800 the splashes, but it's just still not consistent enough to 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.160 that you can like build things around him. 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.200 Right. Yeah, I agree, And That's where I'm at now 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.400 with Mac is that he's got to be consistent with 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.480 the things that he can control. And I think that 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.640 no they're they're not putting out an offensive product right 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.160 now that if Macus starts making some of these throws, 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.760 they're gonna score forty points a game. Like nobody's saying that. 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.920 But could they have easily won this game twenty three 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.800 twenty if he makes some of those throws. Absolutely, And 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.520 that's the difference, right that we're talking about playing your 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.200 way out of drafting your replacement. That that's how you 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.200 do that. It's not necessarily going out there and averaging 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.440 thirty five points a game for the next eight games. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.920 It's just making a couple more of those plays that 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.040 he's not currently making. The Kasiki throw is out there now. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:51.120 In terms of reads, that wheel route to Ramandre Stevenson 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:55.680 is a realnother one. Yeah. I mean he he backfoot 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.840 one foot fadeaways like he's you know, Kobe Bryant in 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:03.440 the post and remandre I there's a post safety in 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.840 the middle of the field. If he hits Hermandre and 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.760 stride with that pass, and that might be an eighty 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:08.399 r touchdown. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.240 Yeah, and instead just got to step in it. 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.359 Yeah. Instead he backfoots it, you know, fade away in 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.600 the pocket and there was pressure coming up the middle 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.719 a little bit. Somebody broke through the A gap and 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.480 there was some pressure up the middle. But that's one 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.800 of those throws that you just got to stand in there. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:27.040 As an NFL quarterback, you can't. You can't shy away 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.200 from the contact. You just got to stand in there, 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.480 set your feet, make a strong throw, and take the 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.400 hit because the play is there to be made. If 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.560 there weren't, if we watched the tape and said there's 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.720 just no place, like everybody's just blanketed on every snap 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.960 and there's just no place to be made, I think 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:44.920 that we could sit there and excuse it all away 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:45.639 from Mac Jones. 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.320 But at this point, which is kind of what last 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:48.760 year was, Yeah, at. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.840 This point there are plays to be made on the tape. 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.240 Is it as often as it needs to be? No, 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.520 And that's where the personnel in the talent around him 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.000 comes in. But yes, his margin for errors tiny, but 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.320 there's still two or three throws a game that if 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.720 he makes those throws, it swings the game significantly. And 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.400 those two plays I think are the ones that stand 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.920 out the most to me. And even the fourth down 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.400 throw to Taekwan that you mentioned, Like those three plays, 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.520 if those three plays end up being completions. First of all, 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.359 all three of those plays, if you know you just 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.160 give the receiver the benefit of the doubt after the catch, 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.680 have a chance to be huge explosives. Yeah, like forty 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.879 plus yard plays in some cases. And you know, the 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.320 seam throw to Kasicki is essentially the exact same throw 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.080 that he made to Faraoh Brown against the Jets, and 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.040 and you know, Faroll Brown takes it to a fifty 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.840 five yard touchdown or whatever that is. So if he 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.439 hits Kasicki and stride up the seam there, you know, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:48.240 he might be gone. And that just significantly changes the 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.359 entire game. So he's got to play better, and we 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.040 all know that. And I hate to turn the show 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:58.199 every week into you know, Bill Belichick's job security, Mac Jones' 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.359 job security. Like I feel like we just beat that 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.679 dead horse on that as media, honestly, Like that's all 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.879 where everyone's talking about. But it is the biggest story 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:08.840 with the team, So we do have to discuss it 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:09.400 a little bit. 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:10.800 So we can get to that. Also, if you want 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.440 to call in eight five to five pats five hundred, definitely, 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.879 Evan Stingy with the phones, I'm a littless stingy. So 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:18.879 I know, Matthew, I see hanging on. Will get to 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.399 you in a minute here. But if there is an 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.560 email we have that I want to get to. And 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.040 since you talk about all these international Patriots fans, Nicholas 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:32.240 in Oslo, Norway asks, and this is specifically for us, 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:36.199 it's a question for catch twenty two. Oh, if the 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.800 Patriots decide mac Jones is not the future, he gives 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.280 you know, what should they do? Entering today? They'd hold 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:46.360 the fifth pick, So here's what his options are. Pick 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.760 the best quarterback available at five, and then Presdy says Pennix. 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.879 So I guess we're saying, let's say they're sitting somewhere 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.600 between five and ten, May and Williams going the top three, 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.480 So best quarterback available when they pick with their pick, 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:03.040 move up and get May or Williams. Pick an offensive tackler, 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.480 wide receiver, so we're talking Joe Alt, Marvin Harrison, or Lufashano, 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.120 and then sign a veteran quarterback. And he asked who 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.920 that would be or he says something else, parenthese'son day 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:12.440 two QB. 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.000 Yeah, I think it's that's these are the either or 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:18.840 scenarios that you and I are going to be talking 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.720 about for the next six months. Right, it's just the 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.160 chicken or is at the egg, and that's what they're 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.639 gonna have to decide. I would lean towards if you 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.919 really don't feel like Mac is your quarterback, you have 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.560 to take a quarterback. Yeah, you have to take a quarterback. 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:34.679 And I think the one thing that we're we we 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:38.720 should keep in mind is that they're projected right now 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.159 depending on who you believe or who you trust with 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.199 the salary cap space, let's just call it between seventy 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.800 five and one hundred million dollars in cap space. Yeah, 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.359 a lot of that is because they have guys that 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:50.760 are free agents and they don't have a lot of 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:52.879 big money players, and that speaks to the talent and 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.600 it's a bigger picture issue in some senses. But they 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.159 have seventy five to one hundred million dollars in cap space, 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.560 and there are some free agent playmakers, free agent receivers 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.160 that are gonna be available. And I know people will say, well, 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.320 they did that with Agalore, they did that with Born. 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.720 It didn't really move the needle. But let's say you 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:11.879 know a guy that I'm excited to watch on Sunday 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:13.440 when I know we're gonna get into the Colts a 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.600 little bit at the end. But Michael Pittman Junior, who 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.680 I think is a really talented player, and I'm excited 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:21.840 to see him in person and see how he moves 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.960 on the field this weekend. I would assume that the 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.200 Colts with a young quarterback, are gonna want to keep 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.440 their thousand yard receiver who's to only twenty six years old. 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.359 You would think that that's a player that Indy is 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.480 going to prioritize. But let's just say that somebody like 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.440 Michael Pittman Junior or somebody like T Higgins reaches free agency. 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.800 If you use that first round pick on a quarterback, 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.600 you can still pay one of those guys in free 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:48.000 agency and pair him with the young quarterback. So it 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.439 doesn't have to necessarily be either or you just have 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.400 to use all the resources at your disposal. And if 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:55.760 I'm the Patriots right now, if I had to make 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:58.679 that decision, and I'm curious to see how you feel. 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:00.960 But if I had to make that decison today, was 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:04.000 it November ninth, Yeah, I would say to draft the 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:08.240 quarterback and put all of your eggs in like T Higgins, right, 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.280 just try to put everything in towards an offer with 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.159 T Higgins. I know people are gonna say, well, why 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.560 would T Higgins want to come here? If you pay 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:17.679 him twenty five million dollars and it's more money than 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:21.240 anybody else offered, he'll come right, right, Why did Matthew 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.200 Judon come here? Like, let's face it. And so I 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:26.520 think that if you you know, that's what I would 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.680 personally do at this present moment. But like I said, 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:31.960 you know, I can be swayed. I've made up my 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.320 mind for now on Mac, but I can be swayed 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:35.400 back on the other side. 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:39.040 So I would say, and I've said this before, if 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.560 you believe if they weren't a spot to draft Mayor Williams, 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:43.520 even if that means trading up a couple of picks, 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:45.560 if you believe one of those guys is the guy 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.320 is gonna be your quarterback for the next fifteen years, 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:50.120 agot I who up and get him? If not, let's 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.199 say they love and it's funny. Last time we did 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.280 this seven in twenty twenty one. I think this was 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.720 your take and I hated it. And maybe it's because 0:22:57.760 --> 0:22:59.919 it's a different class. I like this class better than 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:01.800 I liked the twenty one class, at least after the 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:06.680 first round. Let's say they really like Jayde Daniels, or 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.480 they really like JJ McCarthy, one of these guys that's 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:12.840 probably gonna go early in the second round. I wouldn't 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:17.520 because you still have Mac on his rookie contract. I 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:21.879 would not be opposed to them taking Joe Alt, Marvin 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:26.760 Harrison Junior, whoever in the first round, Jayde Daniels in 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:31.080 the second, and then Mack essentially becomes the bridge guy, right, 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:33.520 and you work with it, and then you have a 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.560 year with Jayden Daniels and then if Jane Daniels isn't 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:38.399 the guy, well you're probably gonna be picking in the 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:40.200 top ten again next year. And then you go draft 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.159 the guy in the first round. Uh yeah, I mean 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:45.560 it's the Jalen Hurts mind right exactly exactly. Or to 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.440 go further back, honestly, it's what the Carolina Panthers did 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:53.160 in twenty ten. They drafted Jimmy Clawson in the second 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:54.760 or third round. They had I can't remember who the 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.000 veteran was, but they had a veteran and they drafted 0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:58.880 Jimmy Classon in the second and third round. He fell 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:00.879 a little bit, and they basically were like, all right, 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.119 we're gonna see if Jimy Crosson is starting quarterback. Jimmy 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.320 Clawson wasn't. And then the next year they took Cam 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.360 at the top of the track and it would kind 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:09.480 of be that thing where you're hoping you do it 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:11.600 ends up being the Jalen Hurts thing. And then if 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:13.240 the guy you're taking the second round turns out he 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:15.160 can't play, all right, now you go get the first 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:17.360 round of next year, and then you're pairing that guy, 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:20.040 whether it be Drew Aller, whether it be Sitt or Sanders, 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:22.680 you're pairing that guy with either Joe Walt or Marvin Heyres. 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.919 Yeah. Look, you know I've only watched you know, passing 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.879 ly the most of these quarterbacks in college for right now. 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.600 But Jayden Daniels doesn't treat me based off of what 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.840 i've he shut him he shut recently. I think the 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:37.760 biggest thing with just a general and I know I've 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.119 said to you, said this to you off air a 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:43.080 couple times. What worries me all the time about these 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:46.280 young quarterbacks in college is that so many of them 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:50.399 are playing playground football, and it's maybe some of it. 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:52.360 You know, we've seen all the three pointers in basketball 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:54.920 because of Steph Curry, right. I do think that there 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.720 is a Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen type of effect to this. 0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:01.680 We're now creating out of structure. Is what become the 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:03.800 it thing to do, the hit thing to do, is 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:07.199 become to run around and make these ridiculous off platform throws. 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.280 And Caleb Williams and what I saw from Penix in 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:13.240 that that USC Washington game, those two guys do that 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:15.840 both at a really high level. What I want to 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:19.480 see is can you create from in the pocket instructure 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:23.600 quarterback and you know, throw accurately in the pocket, make yourself, 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.399 you know, manage the pocket, which is something that I 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:29.119 don't think we've seen Mac Jones do a good job of, 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:32.800 especially this year. Is you're sometimes you are going to 0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:35.600 be throwing from a phone booth that that's that's the NFL. 0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:38.639 So can you throw with arm strength and you know, 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:40.719 get the all the throws out there that you need 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.600 to get out there from a muddied pocket? Can you 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:47.520 make reads? Obviously is you know a huge one of course, 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.280 Jaden Daniels to me in that last game that they 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:53.920 that that I watched for LSU, blanking on who they're playing. 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:58.600 I'm sure Alabam Alabama made so many great throws from 0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.160 the pocket, and and that is intriguing. I'm not saying 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.160 that those other guys can't do it. I just I'm 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:10.320 concerned about guys thinking that it's just easy to emulate 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:14.360 Mahomes in the league and just coming in and thinking, oh, well, 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.960 if Mahomes does it, then everybody can do that now, 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:20.160 when in reality, there there is a chance that it's 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:22.960 one of one, right, like that only one guy can 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:27.840 play second reaction playground football like that and throw from 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.840 all these weird arm angles and off platform and you 0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.600 know we always talk about like the Mahomes shortstop throws 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.520 and stuff like that. There's a chance that maybe he's 0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:38.719 the only guy that can do that on the planet. 0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:41.800 And I worry about other guys trying to emulate that 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:45.840 and then recognizing oh what now and and are you 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:47.400 going to be able to have that fallback? I think 0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:49.440 that's the one thing with Mac is like he's gotten 0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.359 punched in the mouth and he hasn't really adjusted. So 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:57.200 how these guys younger guys are able to handle adversity 0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:00.159 is going to be big two and I would with 0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:00.480 you on that. 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.240 And we've seen guys come in the league and try 0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.440 to do the the Mahomes thing and it kind of 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:07.320 blow up on them. I mean, you look at Zach Wilson. 0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:10.199 I think that pick was predicated on, Hey, he's going 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:12.960 to be our our Patrick Mahomes. He's going to be 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:16.720 our Josh Allen, and then he wasn't. Yeah, so all right, 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:18.359 let's let's take a call and then we can get 0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:20.680 back in at Patriots commanders a little bit. Let's go 0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:22.480 to Matthew kind of all over the place here, but 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:24.560 that's what happens when I host. Let's go to Matthew 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.800 in New Mexico. Matthew, Hey, guys, how's it going. Hey? 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.640 First off, I want to say I listened to all 0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:34.000 the Patriots shows and this show is by far the 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:34.520 best one. 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:35.840 Appreciate that by. 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:36.960 Far, tell you guys that. 0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:40.879 But my question is, like we've seen like Will Levis 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.000 and like c J. Stroud, So I guess, going off 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:47.640 of Alex take with like Drake may do we really 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:49.639 want to start him? Like, what would you guys do? 0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:51.760 Would you guys let him fit for a few games 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:56.040 and see, especially with the offensive line and with offensive line, 0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.640 is it like realistic to rebuild, Like if we get 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:03.240 a a new quarterback, is it really realistic to rebuild 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:06.680 this offensive line? In my more and off season, and 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:10.280 my next question is, like we hear all this stuff 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.800 with Bill and like that, like if you guys had 0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:16.640 to put a percentage on it, Let's say, worst case 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:20.920 scenario in Germany with a cold, what percentage is like 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:22.880 could Bill get fired this week? 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:24.119 And that's it. 0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.120 That's it for me, guys, Thank you very much, thanks 0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.879 to call Matthew. The first one was he asking already 0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:31.280 how to manage Drake May on the Patriots if they 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:33.760 get him. That's a little down the road. We'll get 0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:36.359 to that when we get to it. I think the 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:40.280 second question he asked there was really interesting. How quick 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.640 can you turn the offensive line around, especially if that 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.440 first round pick, we'll just say, goes elsewhere, whether it's 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.040 a quarterback, whether it's a receiver, whether it's a safety, 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:52.080 which by the way, I wouldn't rule out, especially if 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.000 it's a ends up being a little lower in five. 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:55.880 If it's closer to the ten to fifteen range. If 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.720 they win some games here, how quickly can you turn 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:00.880 around this offensive line? And I think there's a couple 0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:07.560 of variables here. First off, Mike go wenhu. Did you 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:09.440 catch Evan? Oh, you weren't here yesterday? 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:10.040 I was. 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:14.000 You saw Bill's presser, right, I did. He was asked 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:15.959 if the team is comfortable with Mike o wn who 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:19.520 playing right tackle long term, and he said yes. Now, 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.280 I don't know if that long term He took that 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:26.440 as this year or for his career, but in the past, 0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:28.360 the Patriots had made it clear they believed his long 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:32.200 term place was a right guard. Yeah, maybe that's changed 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.520 because here's the thing with the offensive line and Evan. 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.880 I've said this before it adding a tackle is a 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:45.520 massive undertaking. Yeah, adding a legitimate starting tackle, you're talking 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:47.680 about a premium mass. So that's a first round pick 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:52.360 that's probably odds are one of the biggest contracts in 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:55.240 free agency. You're gonna talk about one of the highest 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:57.520 paid players league wide, and frequency to add a true 0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:00.560 starting caliber tackle, you need to do that twice in 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.160 an offseason. I don't know about that. That's a lot. 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:05.800 But if Mike go and win, if they're comfortable with 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:08.320 him as a right tackle and they pay him and 0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:12.680 they keep him. Okay, that's one box checked. The interior 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:15.760 should be fine. They shouldn't have to touch the interior. 0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:19.320 They used three top one fifty picks on interior offensive 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.560 lineman last year, and then a first round pick on 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:23.920 an offensive lineman on an interior offensive lineman in the 0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.760 year before that. So now you're just talking about left 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:30.080 tackle and just Trent end up coming back as he 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.600 often does. Is that where Joe Alt comes into the conversation. 0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:37.440 Olufashanu maybe a Day two guy that you think has 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:39.920 a high seat as a high floor. Maybe there's other 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.680 free agent tackles. Like all of a sudden, now the 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.400 offensive line is very manageable to fix. If you're gonna 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:47.440 play Mike on Win would right tackle and pay them 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.000 the interior set, you just have to add that left tackle, 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.200 which is not easy, but it's just one thing. If 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:57.040 they're gonna let Mike go on Win, who go, Well, 0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:01.160 now you need to add a right tackle tackle and 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:03.479 depending on what they do with City, so you might 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.360 need to add depth on the interior as well. Now 0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:10.000 it's become this whole other thing. So they can turn 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:13.600 it around quickly, but it becomes what do they think 0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.080 of Mike go and when who positionally and are they 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:16.840 willing to pay him? 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:20.280 Yeah, the way I look at it, and I think 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:23.120 that in terms of paying him, and obviously you have 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.560 to decide which position he's gonna play, that's gonna set 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.440 his market to an extent. But I still look at 0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:30.600 paying Mike Who as. 0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:32.400 Well, I think his market set. If he's gonna pay 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:34.360 right play right tackle the rest of the season, I 0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:36.400 think his markets set at right tackle, and that's a 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:37.160 real estate. 0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.000 As at least as an elite guard that can kick outside, 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:41.760 which is going to add to his value. So he's 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.920 gonna make maybe a little bit more than what a 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.160 premium guard would make just because of that flexibility. But 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:50.960 I think the main thing is I still think that 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.280 whether you view him as a guard or a tackle, 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.600 to me as a as a moot point, Mike on 0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.240 win Who should be a Patriot next year and long 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:03.040 term period. Like they need to get out of the 0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:07.680 business of just letting talent walk out the door. Whether 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.440 whether he's a guarter or tackle is irrelevant. They have 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.280 to keep him in the building. They have to make 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.880 him a priority and they have to keep him around, 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.880 and then you decide, maybe you probably with Mike Onwen 0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.960 who as a joint kind of decision, where are we 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:26.440 going to play you permanently? But I go back to 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.920 and I really still believe that this to be the case. 0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.480 Letting Joe Tooney walk was a mistake. It was a 0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.360 mistake like that. He's probably gonna be a first team 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.440 All Pro for the Kansas City Chiefs this year. Yeah, 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.080 there's an argument that he is the best guard in 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.280 the NFL, and I think that, Well, I don't know, 0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:45.600 have you how much of the Colts have you watched 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.200 real quick? Or I assume you've like caught up on them, right? Yeah, yeah, 0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.080 I watched a bunch Because Quentin Nelson. 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:51.640 Is not the best guard in football anymore? Is that 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.960 kind of I've heard people said it, but I realized 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.040 this week. I don't know what happened to that guy. 0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:57.760 But yeah, he's like a shell of himself. 0:32:57.840 --> 0:32:59.680 Yeah, anyway, Tangent continue, We'll get to that. 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:05.000 Tuney is such a great player, and when you have 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.640 no matter where the protection is coming from, it's always 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.400 a bonus to have better offensive line play. Yes, And 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.400 I just think that that was a misstep. And I 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:15.680 know a lot of people look at it and say, well, 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.160 they got themselves tied up in money and guards and 0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:20.560 that was a mistake. No, what was a mistake was 0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:23.600 paying both guards. It wasn't a mistake if you just 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:26.040 pay one of them, but you can't. It's hard to 0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:30.080 have a roster constructed in some ways if both your 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.680 guards are making ten plus million dollars a year, like 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:34.840 it would have been with Shaq Mason and Joe Toney. 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:36.840 But now that you know whether he's a guard or 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.520 a tackle, if you're talking about having Cold Strange on 0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.760 a rookie contract, David Andrews on a manageable contract and 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:45.840 City so as your other guard on a rookie contract, 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:47.760 then you can pay Mike on winning. 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.080 Especially if one of your tackles will also probably be 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:51.080 on a rookie contract. 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:53.400 Yeah. I think that's the difficult part, is filling that 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:55.760 other tackle spot, because if you look at the tackles 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.240 and free agency, it's not a good class of free 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:01.440 agent tackles. Like we said last year, and not to 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:03.720 tuote our own horns, last year was the year to 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.040 get a tackle in free agency, and they didn't do it, 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.080 so this isn't a great class of free agent tackles. 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:12.080 I would actually say that if he plays well down 0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:14.279 the stretch and stays out of his own way, that 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:16.799 Trent Brown is one of the best available free agent 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.920 tackles for the twenty twenty four class. So if you're 0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.759 using that draft pick on the quarterback and you're not 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.840 using it on a first round tackle, I don't know 0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:28.040 if they can fix all of it in one offseason. 0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:30.440 It is I guess the long winded, you know, the 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.359 short way of saying all that. So maybe it is, Well, 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:33.600 it is. 0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:35.719 I'll say this, it is another good tackle class. I 0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.000 think if they go tackle in the top fifty, if 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:40.760 they take a tackle in the second round or trade 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:44.279 back up into the late first there's guys like Patrick Paul, 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:49.680 guys like Amarus Mims, Jordan Morgan who you might be 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:50.520 able to make it work. 0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:51.959 Yeah. 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.640 But your point like, they're not fixing it through free agency, 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:56.120 They're not getting an established player. 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:58.600 Yeah, so if they might not be able to fix 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.640 it all in one offseason. But I I know that 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.200 people and myself included, don't want this team to have 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.279 to rely on guys like Trent Brown, who is unreliable 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:10.640 in terms of just all of it. You know, his 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.680 buy in, his effort. Sometimes he's just is what he is. 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:18.200 He's one of those guys that this is why Scar 0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:20.279 and him were such a good pair in eighteen. You 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:22.480 gotta coach him hard, you gotta get it out of him, 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:26.520 You got hit, get him motivated, whether it's financially motivated 0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:30.879 or motivated by winning or whatever. And but one more 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.600 year of Trent Brown, as you kind of use him 0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.520 as a bridged transition to some younger guys at that spot, 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:37.800 isn't the worst case scenario. 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.280 So there's some people in the in the YouTube comments 0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.200 right now kind of talking about the offensive line situation 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:46.360 as a whole. You know, Dante Scarnakia leaving and the 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:49.000 impact that had recently. And again I said it earlier, 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.359 I thought Adrian Clem did a good job the last 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.120 couple of weeks. The offensive line was bad to start 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:55.920 the season. I think that goes beyond Clem. I mean 0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:59.200 they were just so banged up. As we kind of 0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:01.040 hit this interesting bought with him. And again, if you 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.399 missed it, Adrian Clem is going to be away from 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.520 the team. Bill Belichick called it for a little while 0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.640 with a health issue, and we hope the best for him. 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.439 Of course, what have you thought of the job Clem 0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:13.439 has done? And how big you know, we don't often 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:15.839 talk about coaches as a loss, but in a season 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:18.920 where it seems like everybody on the team has been 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:20.520 on the injury report at some point, even now, the 0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.000 coaches are what have you thought of the job Clem 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:24.520 has done? And how big of a loss is he? 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:25.799 On a game to game basis here? 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.120 Well, well, you know, and people that are regular listeners 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.400 to the show, I know how critical I was of 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.320 him in the beginning of the season. I mean the 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.439 line play that they put out of the first let's 0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:38.360 call it six weeks, but really the first you know, 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:42.239 I'd say four or five games, Yeah, it was deplorable. 0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:44.680 I mean that was not NFL caliber across the board, 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.840 and guys are playing with bad fundamentals, bad pad level, 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:51.839 bad hand placement, like just bad football from the offensive line. 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:54.279 It has been better. It has been better, And I 0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:56.080 know a lot of that lines up with the fact 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:58.440 that Mike gon Wendy was now playing tackle and he's 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.040 kind of settled things down. I'll give Clem some credit 0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:04.160 because cityso I think has developed a little bit here. 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:08.600 He He's definitely a lot better with some of the 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.680 movements and things up front that he gets from opposing 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:15.800 defensive lines, like stunts, picks, the twists, blitzes like that 0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:18.880 kind of stuff. He's been a lot better at that, 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:22.040 and they've coached him up on a lot of those things. 0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.839 So I give them credit for that. And I actually thought, 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:29.160 and he's not in my ups, but I thought about it. Yeah, 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:31.520 I think Cole Strange played an okay game last week. 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.680 There was some pressures allowed that I didn't love. I 0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:37.720 had him down with three, but it wasn't egregious, especially 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:40.640 in that matchup. And he also made some really really 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.160 good blocks, especially in the run game, like his block 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.960 on Vermondre Stevenson's sixty four yard touchdown was a really 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:51.120 underrated block that made that play work. So I was intrigued. 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.920 I guess is the word from cole Strange that this 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.399 was a better game for him. So I'll give Clem 0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.440 some flowers, but I think they can they'll be all 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:04.960 right on the line, you know, with with uh Billyates. Yeah, 0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:08.279 because Yeates, you know, has been in the room all 0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:12.040 season long. It's gonna be the same program like you would. 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:13.720 You would think that they would be able to figure 0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.400 it out for the next couple of weeks. But I 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.560 will we'll see how much he really does matter. You know, 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:20.200 if they come out on Sunday against the Colts that 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.719 have a good front and you know DeForest Buckner, those 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:25.760 guys come out and absolutely are you know, Max under siege, 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:27.920 then maybe you do give a little bit of credit 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:29.520 to to Clem and what he's been able to do. 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:30.960 All right, you want to join us, you want to 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.360 talk patch with us? Eight five five pats five hundred 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:37.440 eight five five seven two eight seven five hundred. But 0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:39.719 let's go that. That leads us right into ups and downs. Evan, 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.960 And honestly, my first up was Adrian Clem in the 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:46.239 offensive line. Not the best offensive line game that's ever 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:48.520 been played. But I think we talked about this in 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:51.520 the offseason. The one guy this team could not afford 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.240 to lose was Trent Brown and kind of the ripple 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.919 effect that comes with playing without him. And I thought, 0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:01.680 all that considered, against the opponent they were playing, you 0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:03.640 got a pretty good game from the offensive line. 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:06.759 Yeah, yeah, the offensive line was solid in this game. 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.319 I had Mike on when who wasn't up on an 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:13.080 individual level, Mike on when who allowed one quarterback hit 0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.920 in this game? And it was it was pretty late 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:19.000 in the game. And it seems like every game against 0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.520 Miami he led up to sack eight in the game 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.600 that there's one rep a game in pass pro that 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.160 he gets beat. And if that's what all that's happening 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:29.640 for your right tackle, like, that's a pretty good good 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.880 day at the office. I mean, well, the film that 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.279 he's been able to put out there at tackle over 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.959 the last three weeks after really only playing exclusively at guard. 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:39.439 And I had asked him about this in the locker 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:42.319 room before we came out here, about what he did 0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:45.319 to Yeah, it's pretty incredible that he's been this good 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.040 at tackle, just kind of flipped the switch over there 0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.800 for the offensive line. And he said that in the 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.440 offseason he was doing some tackle training, just thinking in 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.600 the back of his head like this could happen, right, 0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:59.480 so let's work on some sets and some things like that, 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.719 like I'm playing tackle just to be ready. And it's 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:07.720 been remarkable how easily he's just transitioned outside to tackle 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:10.160 and how natural he looks at that spot. And it 0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.879 does make a big difference having him in the run 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:16.319 game because whether it's a double team block with City 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:19.600 so or he's kicking out the edge defender, that becomes 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.960 a lot more space there now because he's they have 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.600 an impact run blocker at that spot as well. So 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.319 he's been exceptional at tackle to the point where if 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:31.160 I'm his agent and I'm looking at next offseason, you 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.240 know what I'm doing. I'm saying, I'm putting the tackle 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:35.920 film out there, say you know this guy's a tackle, 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.800 you better pay him like it. He was exceptional in 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.879 this game, and I think he's honestly been tremendous since 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:42.600 moving out there. 0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:45.920 So he was one of my ups I'm petitioning if 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:47.839 I'm his agent. NFL dot com has owned Win, who 0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.239 listed as a guard. The Patriots just haven't listed as 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.640 an offensive lineman as they do with I think it's 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:54.319 just David Andrews is the only one who's listed as 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:56.120 a center. I think everybody else is just listened ol. 0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.440 NFL dot com has Mike when Winn, who listed as 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.439 a guard. If I'm his agent, I'm call whoever runs 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:03.880 the NFL website and saying, hey, can we get you 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.239 know the team website listen as an offensive lineman. Can 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.120 we get those two lined up there? Because that might 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:13.760 help the old Remember Jimmy Graham when the Saints franchise 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.239 tagged him and he was trying to get franchise tags 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:18.200 as a receiver, not a tight end. And it went 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.520 to court and a big part of the deciding factor 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:25.200 was it said in his Twitter bio New Orleans Saints 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.160 tight end. Yeah, And they were like, well you advertise 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:30.160 sales tight anyway, I just find that story funny. Any 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.799 chance bringing up another up for me? And it's another 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:36.400 kind of group one. I'll we'll get to the downs. 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:38.759 The Patriots defense did not play well in this game. 0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:42.600 There were two glaring exceptions to that. To Von godcha 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:45.800 On Christian Barmore, they were both awesome. It's not just 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:47.680 they were like everybody else was bad and they were fine. 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:51.440 They were both really good in this game. Devon Godchaw 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.520 in that second quarter he had he helped on the 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.440 forced fumble which he then recovered. He holds the backup 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:58.560 for Jelani to Via to punch the ball out and 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.840 then god Chaw himself recover. But there was also he 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.399 read a screen really well. At one point took away 0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:06.360 the window. There are a couple other times he just 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.000 got pressure on Sam how I thought Devon gotchaw. This 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:10.520 might have been his best game of the year. And 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.640 Christian Barmore just dominated again. He was pushing offensive lineman back. 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:15.800 Two more pass breakups for him at the line of 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:19.000 scrimmage after those two guys. Again, there's nobody really behind 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.879 him capitalizing on what they were doing. But I thought 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.959 those two guys in particular, and for Barmore, it stands 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:26.920 out because he's put together, you know, four or five 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.479 of these now. I thought the two defensive tackles played 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:30.279 incredibly well. 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:33.520 Yeah. I had Barmore as my number one up in 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.839 this okame he is, he's in Fuego Alex. Yeah, he's 0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:40.160 on an absolute heater the last month of the season. 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:42.880 You can make a case that Christian Barmore has been 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:45.120 the best defensive tackle in football. I mean, he's been 0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.839 that good. I had eight quarterback pressures in this game, 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:51.000 added two bad passes as well. I thought that there 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:52.800 were some good reps against the run. He didn't have 0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:54.600 as many stuffs in this game as he's had the 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.279 last couple of weeks. But he was doing his thing 0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.080 in the two gap and all that kind of stuff. 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:02.560 The pressure on the quarterback, he is a problem. I mean, 0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:05.879 he's not only getting some of those you know threat 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:08.839 in the edge like he did in Miami on that sack, 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.680 but he's also going through guys too and creating penetration 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.800 to allow others to you know, wrap around it on 0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:18.120 those stunts that they like to run on the interior. 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.399 Mac Wilson had three pressures in this game. All three 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:23.880 of them were just wrapping around Christian Barmore. You know, 0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:27.400 just Barmore is getting the guy that's getting the interior 0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:30.480 penetration and push and it's just opening up all this stuff. 0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:34.120 He is playing like we really thought he was going 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.680 to play after his rookie season, Like this was the 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:38.840 hope was that he was going to play at this level. 0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:41.879 He's another guy that I think you have to start 0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:45.440 talking about as an extension candidate in the offseason, as 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.919 someone that you want to build around on the defensive front. 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:51.520 He was exceptional again in this game. Like I mentioned, 0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:55.200 with eight quarterback pressures, that was a game high. It's 0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.920 as high as the season as well. He's got as 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:01.160 many quarterback pressures as pretty much any defensive lineman, you know, 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:03.680 interior defensive lineman taking out the sub you know, the 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:07.200 edge rushers or the pass rush linebackers and stuff like that. 0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:10.080 You just look at defensive linemen you know, d tackles, 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.719 dns that have played their hand in the dirt. He's 0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:14.839 second in the league right now over the last month 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:18.520 and quarterback pressures among that group. So he's definitely doing 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.600 his thing and it's great to see him do that 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.920 after last year, which I think we can now determine 0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:29.399 that was injuries just not just a bad year for him. 0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:32.960 And you know, now we see the potential again and 0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:36.000 hopefully that arrow keeps pointing upward. But I have him 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:37.879 with four games in a row. Now, I went back 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:39.879 and looked where he was my number one up four 0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:40.759 in a row. 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.279 So yeah, no, that's a guy. When we get to 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.600 the offseason we do the next group of extensions, I 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:47.440 think that there'll be a lot of talk about mac 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.480 Jones contract in the fifth year option. But from that class, 0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:52.000 I mean, who are you pounding the table for an 0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:55.279 extension for. It's got to be Christian Barmore. I mean, 0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:57.680 that's the guy I think you resign him. You re 0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:02.120 signed dugger. They have Juwan Bentley Boom. You have established 0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:05.200 players at all three levels now and that's your core 0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:08.239 defensively essentially, and that's the group you're building around. It's 0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:09.560 not a bad group to be. And then you have 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:11.880 Christian Zalez at corner as well on his rookie contract. 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.440 I should bring him into this. That's a good defensive corps. 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.040 That's a solid defensive core. And then maybe you get 0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:20.239 Anthony Jennings back on a team friendly deal because he 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:21.719 you know, he's had a good year and that might 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:24.160 be a guy that's I think there's a chance he 0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:26.319 comes back here because there's probably more playing time from 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:30.239 here than there is in most other defenses. You go out, 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:31.840 you get a free safety and you're in good shape. 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.680 So yeah, Christian Barmore, very very exciting player right now. 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.000 My third up, Ermandre Stevenson. I looked a little slow 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:40.520 to start the year, but you saw it on the 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.840 big run. He's got his burst back. There are a 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.919 couple other times too, you know, catching passes in the flat. 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:47.520 I know he had a drop, but I thought overall 0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:48.920 this was an encouraging game for him. 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:52.960 Yeah. Absolutely, the big run like you said, was the burst. Yeah, Now, 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.960 he hadn't been really seeing at times the beginning of 0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.280 the year. It's amazing when you open up some space 0:45:58.320 --> 0:45:59.799 for him, though, what he's gonna be able to write 0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:02.480 to Uh, So that that definitely happened. I like the 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:05.360 you know, I broke it down this scheme on that 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:08.520 play to have Gasiki run a route from the slot 0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.320 really pulled the defender out of the fit and that 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.400 kind of opened up an entire lane along with some 0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:18.319 good blocks. I mentioned Strange's block City so obviously had 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.400 a nice block on that play, you know, just a 0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:23.200 base block. Andrews picked up the blitz and you have 0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:25.919 riger As much as if we're gonna talk about Rager 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:28.360 in a second, I think, uh, he did take a 0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:31.040 great block on the Ribandre run, So that that was 0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.800 that was encouraging to see the burst and the breakaway speed. 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:37.360 You mentioned the past game stuff. I thought he was 0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.120 so much better in this game getting out of the backfield. 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:42.520 I think a lot of the games, uh this season, 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:45.880 he's taken too long to make himself available to the quarterback. 0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:49.279 He's either dancing or he's trying to make too many 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:51.200 moves to get open at the top of the route 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.640 or just kind of just taking his time, sweet time 0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.319 getting out of the backfud and you're watching the tape, 0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.640 you're just like get you know, run right, get out 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.640 of there and make yourself available to the quarterback. This 0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:04.920 offense needs that. I know that some people kind of 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:07.160 scoff at the idea of, you know, a third down 0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:10.080 back and how important it might actually be. I think 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:13.480 that this team definitely needs it, and if Remandre it 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:17.000 can be a matchup weapon against linebackers like he was 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:18.960 last week. It was pretty clear. I know they mentioned 0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:21.920 after the game Mac did that Emanuel Forbes was on 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:24.160 their target list and that didn't end up going so 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:26.520 well for them, but I think it was It was 0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:29.880 really clear that Jermaine Davis, the linebacker for the Commanders, 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:33.240 if they got Remandre one on one against Jermaine Davis, 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:35.759 they were taking that matchup and he was winning it 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:38.359 on Sunday. He should have had the wheel round too, 0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.640 and if you would have that in there, then we're 0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:44.120 talking about a huge, huge day production wise. So I 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.120 thought he was really really good in this game as well. 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:47.800 Again, you want to chat with us eight five to 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:50.400 five Pats five hundred is the number. We'll get you 0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:52.320 right on because I'm in on the phones today not 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.719 having eight. Who's your third up? 0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:58.720 I had? Those are my three where. 0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:02.880 Yeamandre and Mike. Yeah, all right, so we can get 0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:06.879 into the downs now. And my first down, I guess 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:08.440 because you see, I don't do mine in order, like 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:10.200 I know you rank yours. I just kind of pick 0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:13.839 three my first down from this game. Again, it's another 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.480 one where I'm combining players Jalen Rager and Taekwon Thornton. 0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:21.319 There was a real chance for somebody to emerge as 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:26.800 that third wide receiver between Juju Smith, Schuster, Jamaario Douglas, 0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:28.600 those are gonna be your one and two, right and 0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:30.960 Kayshun Boody's taken out of the picture before the game, 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:34.759 and we can get to that. But Rager like he 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:38.000 dropped the pass. Besides that, I thought he was fine. 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:41.400 He had the block with I hold it against unless, Like, 0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:43.319 there's a reason he's on his third team in four years. 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.680 There's a reason he was available. There's a reason he's 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:50.120 a recent first round pick that's struggling to get playing 0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:53.000 time on a two win team. You kind of expected that, 0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:55.320 So I'm not saying it's a good play. It doesn't 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:59.880 excuse it for me. It's Taekwon Thornton. This was a 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:03.400 real missed opportunity because he hasn't been able to get 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:05.839 on the field, not just because of injuries, but he's 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:07.920 been buried behind this depth chart going back to the 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.400 summer when he was healthy. Remember he got demoted to 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:12.840 that second unit in training camp. Well, here you go. 0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:14.759 They have to play you, they have to put you 0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:18.200 on the field. Mac Jones is trying to give him opportunities. 0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:22.920 There's four targets in the first twelve snaps. Now one 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.560 of them was a bad miss by Mac, and Thornton 0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:27.560 probably has a touchdown if Mac puts it on him. 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:29.880 Thornton also could have gotten out of the break a 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:33.880 little quicker, but that's on Mac. But after that, I 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:38.200 mean there's clear miscommunications. He runs a bad route on 0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:40.000 a third down right in front of Bill Belichick. He 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:42.239 watched the replay. You could see Bill Belichick's reaction in 0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:46.600 real time, and then he doesn't play again. Played twelve snaps, 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.759 had four targets in the first quarter, and called first 0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:52.120 eighteen minutes of the game. I think it was eleven 0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:54.200 to twenty four in the second quarter was the time 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:56.960 on the clock on that last snap, and then didn't 0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:58.800 play again, and Bill Belichick said after the game he 0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:01.239 was healthy, he was available. He was removed from the 0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:03.800 injury report this week. So that was as good of 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:07.000 a chance as he was gonna have, I think, to 0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:09.880 establish himself and be that second round pick and be 0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:12.880 that speed threat that he was drafted to be. And 0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:15.960 even with Mac Jones missed a side on that fourth down, 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:18.879 clearly there was something in there that the team saw 0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:20.560 that they were like, we can't put this guy on 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:22.800 the field with no other options. We're gonna go in 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:26.440 twelve heavy and throw Mike Kasiki out there. I think 0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:29.080 it was like seventy percent of the time. Yeah, they 0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:30.840 did that over putting Taekwon on the field, and I 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:32.600 think that's a major missed opportunity for him. 0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:36.160 Yeah, I one hundred percent agree. I had Taekwon as well, 0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:39.320 and I also loved him together with Kalen Rager. But 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:42.400 I think your point is valid that Rager, it's not 0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:44.839 on Riger that he's not the guy you saw. 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:47.080 Like if you told me, all right, Jalen Riger is 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:48.560 gonna go out there, He's gonna set a big block, 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:50.480 he's gonna catch a quickslane, he's gonna drop the pass. 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:52.040 I'd be like, all right, yeah, that's about right. 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:55.680 Yeah right. So I think it's a little not harsh 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:58.640 to put Rager in the downs because he probably deserves 0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.400 to be there. But it's just not it's blaming the 0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:01.799 wrong guy. 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:05.040 It's it's different degree. There's different degrees to it. Like 0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:07.560 you have to mention the drop in this conversation because 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:09.960 it happened, it was a story, it changed the game. 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:14.880 You can't ignore that. But it rank how you know, 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:17.120 how emphatically you're putting them on there. On a scale 0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.920 of one to ten, the degree to which Taekwon Thornton 0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:22.680 is down is greater than the degree to which Jalen Raigers. 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:25.000 Yeah. I couldn't agree more when I when I look 0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:27.919 at Taekwon, I do think there is something to be said. 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:30.440 And I'm not sitting here telling you that if they 0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:33.239 had him running a different rout tree that he would 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:35.719 be at a thousand yard receiver and be this, you know, 0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:38.520 all pro level player or anything like that. But it 0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:41.960 is interesting to me that I feel like, especially at 0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:45.080 the intermediate level, they have him trying to run these 0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:47.880 pretty advanced routes, like the route that he ran on 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:50.759 fourth down, which was an okay route. I mean, I 0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:52.640 agree with you that maybe he was a little bit 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:54.959 slow getting out of the break, but he got open. 0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:55.759 That's the bottom of line. 0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.440 Yeah, No, he was open. He yeah, yeah, he got open. 0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:00.880 That round me mention him at the top of the 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:02.440 route was just me being a mac apologist. 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:05.439 Now, no, no, and I agree with you that it wasn't. 0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:08.320 I don't think it was a great route. Yeah, But 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:11.920 the bottom line is is that that's a pretty like 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:15.440 nuanced route, right, you know you're talking about it's it's 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.520 essentially a post corner. You know, he's faking that he's 0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:19.960 going to break in on a post and then he 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.920 breaks out on the corner. They sometimes call it an 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:25.759 inverted over where they're like faking a crosser and then 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:28.440 breaking out on the corner. But either way, you're you're 0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:31.399 talking about routes that some of their more dynamic route 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:35.440 runners and and high advanced route runners over the years. 0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:39.200 Edelman Jakobe meers like that, that's the route that a 0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:42.360 lot of those guys ran a ton and I just 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:45.920 I look at Taekwon and he should be running he 0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:49.160 should be running wind sprints that that that's the bottom line, 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:51.840 Like he should be running verticals all over the field, 0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:56.200 whether it's a cross deep, cross post, go ball whatever. 0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:59.080 And some of the time with him, he's not going 0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:00.960 to get the ball. That it's the bottom line, Like 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:04.080 he's not gonna be a high volume guy in that role. 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:06.880 He's gonna be clearing out a lot of space for others. 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:09.680 And I think what type where Taekwon can almost help 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:11.960 himself the most and to get on the field at 0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:14.920 least over Jalen Rager, which is just a jump that 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:18.640 this guy can't play over Jalen Rager is sometimes I 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:21.840 see with him on the tape that he doesn't always 0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:23.560 run the route hard if he knows he's not in 0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:26.600 the progression. And that's the type of thing that the 0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:29.400 coaches are gonna are gonna hate. That's gonna drive them nuts. 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:33.759 Like you, even though you're not necessarily in the progression 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:36.600 for the quarterback as an option in the play, your 0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.960 role on the play is really important. So if you're 0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:44.640 not running that route and you're not taking that safety 0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:47.760 or you're not clearing out that sideline for the routes 0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:50.680 to fill in then the play, the whole play doesn't 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:52.720 work even if the ball is not coming your direction. 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:57.440 So he's gotta be cleaner in those types of areas 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:00.440 to the point where he's just you put him out 0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:03.000 there just to be Jalen Rager, right, like, just run 0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:05.560 the verticals and if the ball comes your way, try 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:07.719 to make a play. But it's probably only going to 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.080 come your way a couple times a game. And that's 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:14.360 where we're out with Taekwon. But his his just overall 0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:17.800 focus on the field is a problem. Like his route, 0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:21.439 the way that he understands, like his role in the play, 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:25.600 it's all all that type of mental stuff is an issue, 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:28.799 and I think that that's something that is holding him back, 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:31.160 maybe more than anything else. And why every time we 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:35.160 talk to O'Brien about about Taekwon, he's mentioning, you know, 0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:37.799 he's been hurt and he hasn't doesn't have the reps, right, 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:40.160 doesn't have the reps. And that tells you right then 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:42.600 and there that he's making mental errors on the field, 0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:45.920 Like that's that's what's happening. So I do I think 0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:48.600 that physically he would be this incredible player, No, of 0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:53.280 course not. But I think that he could be useful 0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:57.320 for them because of the speed, if he was able 0:54:57.400 --> 0:54:59.160 to show the coaches that he could do some of 0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:02.320 those little things a little bit better that he hasn't 0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:06.040 been doing so frustrating player. I mean we I was 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.120 skeptical to pick at the time just because of the 0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:11.160 type of player that he was. But even if you 0:55:11.440 --> 0:55:13.719 just give them the benefit of the doubt that they 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.279 saw him as somebody that was gonna be a real 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:20.359 field stretcher for them and impact the game that way 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:24.240 without necessarily impacting the game at a high volume targets wise, 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:27.440 it just Dad hasn't even come to fruition either, So 0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:29.080 all of it is just a mess with him right now. 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:30.600 We also have to remember he was drafted to play 0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:32.520 in a different offense than the one he's playing it. 0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:34.800 On top of that, because they drafted him. 0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:38.200 I have to that's another benefit of the doubt thing, right, 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:39.000 like you have to. 0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:40.919 No, it's not a ben for the doubt thing. I'm saying, 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:44.640 like they they I think that's they drafted him for 0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:45.799 an offense that was never gonna work. 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:48.800 Yeah, I guess my benefit of the doubt point is 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:52.440 more if that was the if they drafted him to 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:55.200 play more of like a Shanahan offense. 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:56.920 Yeah, and that was the plan, And he. 0:55:57.000 --> 0:55:59.080 Was supposed to be the guy that was running the 0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:02.480 deep post and just occupying players down the fields that 0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:05.919 they could open up the throws underneath that Shanahan's tree 0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:10.759 loves the incuts, the crossers, things like that. Then then 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.440 I understand the vision a little bit more, I suppose. 0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:15.720 But I think that's giving them a lot of almost 0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:18.680 credit at this point at that position because we've seen 0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:21.120 them fail in so many different ways at the top 0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:24.399 of the draft that with taking receivers that I can't 0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:27.000 necessarily chuck it all up to that, Like I feel 0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:30.200 like they are evaluation of players at the wide receiver 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:35.239 position is a too spotty in the draft to just say, oh, well, 0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:37.400 if he was in the Shanahan offense, he would be 0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:39.319 a different player. And I know that's not what you're saying. 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:42.239 I'm just right. I think that that's just a really 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:44.719 a point that I find, like, all right, well, you 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.920 drafted two guys at the receiver position in the top 0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:50.000 fifty in the last five years and both of them 0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:50.520 can't play. 0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:53.239 While we're on the receivers, what are your thoughts on 0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:54.960 Kaishan Boody in that old situation. 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:59.200 So I really do wonder what's going on with Kaishan 0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:02.319 Boody because to me, there's no way that I can 0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:07.800 really think of that they didn't have him, like he 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:09.879 wasn't gonna play at all, like that was the plan 0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:11.719 the whole week, right, Like I guess that is what 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:12.080 I'm saying. 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:13.839 So do you buy the theory that? Because he talked 0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:15.680 to us on Friday and he said something like, you know, 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:17.720 I've been playing some weeks, but my numbers being called 0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:19.680 and I need to be ready to go. Do you 0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:22.200 buy the theory that the coaching staff was basically upset 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:23.800 that he said that, and this was that no, no, no, 0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:25.560 you don't decide and you're gonna play. We decided and 0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:26.200 you're gonna play. 0:57:27.400 --> 0:57:29.320 It's as good of a theory as any. I don't 0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:31.840 know if I'm I can say I'd buy into any 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:35.880 theory because I don't know, but it's just hard to 0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:37.440 fathom anything else happening. 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:39.840 So I have one other go ahead, and then I 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:40.360 have one other. 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:43.320 Yeah, I just look at and I'm not putting him 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:47.320 in the same category as the two corners as J. C. 0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:50.200 Jackson and Jack Jones, which we can talk about, yeah, 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:53.440 if you want. I'm not putting him in that category. 0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:56.040 I'm not saying he did something like that. But at 0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:58.160 the same time, when you have other guys that are 0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:00.920 doing that in this locker room now because of the 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:03.240 state of the team and the record and all that stuff, 0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:05.600 and I'm not making excuses for those guys. I'm just saying, 0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:09.080 this is what happens on bad football teams. Guys check out, 0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:15.200 Guys prioritize other things. They stopped really caring. And that's 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:18.920 just some guys are just wired that way. And with Booty, 0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:23.960 you have to wonder if that's permeating the whole locker 0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:27.320 room a little bit, and there was something extracurricular or 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:31.120 something different that wasn't just football that kept him off 0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:33.760 the field, because it's so hard to imagine that they 0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:36.720 all week long, that was the buzz, that was the 0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:40.040 build up. He was talking about it. Belichick says, he 0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:43.400 has the best week of practice in since being a Patriot, 0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:45.920 and then he's inactive in the game on Sunday, like 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:49.400 there's That's the only explanation is that something else happened. 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:52.240 So the one other thing I looked at and I 0:58:52.280 --> 0:58:53.880 don't know, may even get into it in the Samantics. 0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:56.520 So the whole reason we got all excited about Kishon 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:58.320 Buoti last week, on top of the injuries and the 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:01.120 fact that, like they numbers wise, it looked like he 0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:05.600 was gonna have to play, was Bill Belichick's comments on 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:07.840 Friday saying he had his best week of practice of 0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:10.400 the year. At no point did he say it was 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:13.240 a good week of practice and was it something that 0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:16.040 was just hey, like his best right now still isn't 0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:19.120 good enough, and we just misinterpreted it and ran it's 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:21.800 the only other thing I can think of. Yeah, and 0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:24.120 that that in itself doesn't make a ton of sense either. 0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:29.560 But I just think with him with Kayshawn Booty, I 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:33.000 get why he didn't play earlier in the year. And 0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:35.000 this goes back to something we talked about going all 0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:39.080 the way back to the spring. His skill set is 0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:43.200 very similar to Kendrick Bourne's, and is their room to 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:45.320 have both of them on the field at the same time, 0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:48.440 plus Juju and Juju there's some overlap with him too. 0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:50.840 But when Kendrick Bourne became their best receiver and became 0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:54.360 the guy that wasn't coming off the fields. Yeah, there 0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:56.120 really wasn't a lot of room for kash On Boody 0:59:56.160 --> 1:00:00.520 to play. Now that Kendrick Bourne's hurt, that changes. And 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:03.800 the other thing is Kishun Booty is a little bit 1:00:03.800 --> 1:00:07.680 of a project player. I'm not saying that I'm upset 1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:10.560 they're not playing him because oh they're leaving like eight 1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:12.720 catches in one hundred yards and two touchdowns a game 1:00:12.720 --> 1:00:14.800 on the batch. That's not what I'm saying, And I 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:17.880 think it's being misinterpreted that way at times for the 1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:19.959 people who are like, why isn't this guy on the field, 1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:24.640 It's more we don't know what he is, but it 1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:28.200 would be nice to find out. And when you're a 1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:33.080 contending team, you don't necessarily the most valuable reps, like 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:35.720 players grow in practice and players can learn in practice 1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:38.680 the most valuable reps to develop a player or game reps. 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:41.760 But when you're a contending team, you can't put unknown 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:43.680 players on the field. You're trying to win football games. 1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:47.800 They're in a spot right now between the injuries and 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:50.960 the record where put Kayshaun Booty out there and see 1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:53.200 what he can do. And if you're worried he's not ready, 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:55.280 putting him into an NFL game, is gonna be a 1:00:55.440 --> 1:00:58.920 great way to maybe drag him along. If they just 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:00.840 think he's at the point where he's never gonna be ready, 1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:02.880 then why is he on the roster. That would be 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:05.840 my point, either develop him or move on, and right 1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:07.800 now they're not doing either. He's just kind of in 1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:11.560 this limbo. So that's why, like last week, to me especially, 1:01:11.720 --> 1:01:16.320 is so weird because Kendric Born's hurt. Now they're at 1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:18.640 two and six. At that point, what do you have 1:01:18.720 --> 1:01:20.920 to lose by putting him out there? I understood it 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:23.200 earlier in the year. I think they're at a point 1:01:23.280 --> 1:01:25.600 now where going into the offseason, I don't know that 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:27.640 he's gonna come out and show you that he's the 1:01:27.720 --> 1:01:29.880 one one right. I don't know that you're gonna get 1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:32.720 let's say he plays from here on out. I don't 1:01:32.720 --> 1:01:34.200 know that he's gonna play at a level where you're like, 1:01:34.200 --> 1:01:36.280 all right, they don't need draft Marvin Harrison Junior anymore. 1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:38.320 I don't know that he's gonna be that guy. But 1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:40.960 can he prove that he can be a capable third 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:43.520 wide receiver, because they you look at the guys they 1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:45.960 have Kendric Born's contract is up, and even if he 1:01:46.040 --> 1:01:48.320 comes back coming off the torn ACL, he's an unknown 1:01:49.160 --> 1:01:52.920 Parker and Juju haven't hit. Rager's an unexpiring deal. But 1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:54.560 how much you're counting on him anyway, it's really just 1:01:54.600 --> 1:01:57.400 Pop Douglas is the only guy under contract next year 1:01:57.440 --> 1:01:59.600 that you're counting on at the wide receiver position. So 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.800 you add bodies. It's not just adding Marvin Harrison Junior. 1:02:02.800 --> 1:02:05.040 It's not just adding t Higgins. They're gonna have to 1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:08.000 add a couple of players. If Kayshaun Boody goes out there, 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:10.200 you're like, yeah, this guy's like a capable third, fourth 1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:14.320 wide receiver. It's not groundbreaking, it doesn't necessarily change the landscape, 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:16.600 but that's one less guy you got to add. That's 1:02:17.200 --> 1:02:19.000 you know what, would you pay a third wide receiver 1:02:19.120 --> 1:02:21.960 five million, six million dollars a year. That's five or 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:24.160 six million dollars you can now allocate elsewhere. It's a 1:02:24.240 --> 1:02:27.160 roster spot you can now allocate elsewhere. So just finding 1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:28.760 out what he can do, I think would be the thing. 1:02:29.600 --> 1:02:31.840 Yeah, that's totally where I'm at with it too. I 1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:34.400 one hundred percent agree with you that so many people 1:02:35.280 --> 1:02:37.320 respond I'm sure to me they do. To me, I'm 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:38.920 speaking for myself, but I'm sure they'll be the same 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:40.880 thing with you where they're like, you know, why do 1:02:40.920 --> 1:02:43.240 you guys think that Kashan Booty is this like diamond 1:02:43.280 --> 1:02:45.360 in the rough or this guy that they're just keeping 1:02:45.440 --> 1:02:47.880 this guy off the off the field that's gonna you know, 1:02:47.960 --> 1:02:50.360 a thousand yard receiver and they're not playing him. That's 1:02:50.400 --> 1:02:52.520 not what we're saying where we just want to evaluate 1:02:52.640 --> 1:02:54.600 Kaishan Boody in a game, like we just want to 1:02:54.600 --> 1:02:56.480 see what it looks like in a game. Because of 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:59.920 your point, exactly, what if Kashan Boody is good enough 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:02.480 to be a number three receiver and now you know 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:04.880 that you have a number three receiver, but what if 1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:07.560 Kaishon Boody is good enough to be a number four receiver, 1:03:07.800 --> 1:03:11.040 like just somebody on the roster that can contribute to 1:03:11.320 --> 1:03:14.160 a team. Then you have him, you have Pop Douglas, 1:03:14.560 --> 1:03:19.320 like you have some guys that are tertiary or complimentary weapons. 1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:22.320 We know that this team needs number one receivers. We 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:24.440 know that they need a T. Higgins or they need 1:03:24.520 --> 1:03:26.880 a Marvin Harrison junior. We know they need a guy 1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:29.920 a dude, We know that, but they also have to 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:35.360 field an eleven guys on offense, right, So if Pop 1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:40.000 Douglas and Kaishaan Boody can be good two and a 1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:42.480 good number two and a good number three like now, 1:03:42.560 --> 1:03:46.400 you have the bones of just dropping in these missing 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:51.640 pieces and having something offensively. And that's the big thing 1:03:51.680 --> 1:03:53.840 with Kaishan Boody. It's not that we all think that 1:03:53.960 --> 1:03:56.760 he's gonna break out and be this superstar player for them, 1:03:57.120 --> 1:03:59.280 it's just can he be an NFL player for them 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:02.840 moving forward? Is a big deal in the in the 1:04:03.680 --> 1:04:06.520 you know, it's not the big big deal like getting 1:04:06.560 --> 1:04:10.439 that number one guy, but it's not a moot point either, 1:04:10.640 --> 1:04:13.520 like that that still matters to this team. And you mentioned, 1:04:13.560 --> 1:04:16.400 you know his role, and we've both been talking about 1:04:16.440 --> 1:04:19.600 this that he's really ideally more of that like Z's 1:04:20.400 --> 1:04:24.160 slot inside outside type of guy, not a permanent, you 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:26.200 know X type of player like he was playing in 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:29.040 Week one against Philly. So even if you give them 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:32.320 the benefit of doubt in that sense that Kendrick Bourne, 1:04:32.760 --> 1:04:35.760 Juju Smith Schuster, Pop Douglas are all also guys that 1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:38.200 are gonna play a lot of snaps inside. So there's 1:04:38.240 --> 1:04:41.600 not enough snaps to go around. At that point, you 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:46.120 say that, no Kendrick Bourne anymore. Juju Smith Schuster played 1:04:46.120 --> 1:04:48.800 twenty three snaps in this game on Sunday, thirty six 1:04:48.920 --> 1:04:51.480 percent of the snaps, so he didn't even really have 1:04:51.600 --> 1:04:55.600 a huge role either. So at some point you have 1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:58.160 to look at it and say, you know, it wouldn't 1:04:58.200 --> 1:05:00.600 have heard to give Kaishawn Boody. You know the twelve 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:03.720 reps can that Taekwon Thornton got in this game, right, 1:05:04.160 --> 1:05:06.280 you know, he gave him the booty or give six 1:05:06.360 --> 1:05:08.400 to Booty and six to Thornton or whatever you want 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:10.840 to talk about with divving them up. It wouldn't have 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:14.640 hurt them at all. But I just their management of 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:18.240 that position, whether it's the players they're picking, the way 1:05:18.320 --> 1:05:22.120 that they're utilizing those players, the way that they're utilizing, 1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:24.919 or just talking about who's inactive, who's active, who's playing 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:28.520 in the game, all of it is. It has been terrible. 1:05:28.680 --> 1:05:30.680 It's been a mess. Like they're all over the place 1:05:30.720 --> 1:05:34.720 with that wide receiver position. And it's not just talent evaluation. 1:05:35.240 --> 1:05:36.800 They also are all over the place with how they 1:05:36.840 --> 1:05:39.360 play these guys, and they got to figure it out, 1:05:39.400 --> 1:05:41.520 and I've been saying it for a long time now 1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:44.720 about Troy Brown, Like Troy Brown is on my radar 1:05:45.080 --> 1:05:48.520 as somebody that was a great, great player here represents 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:51.040 all the right things about the Patriots in the Patriot way. 1:05:51.400 --> 1:05:54.600 But I think it's more than fair to start being 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:57.640 critical of Troy Brown the coach and what he's really 1:05:58.200 --> 1:06:00.400 capable of bringing to the table in terms of coaching 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:03.520 these guys up. Because at that position it's been the 1:06:03.680 --> 1:06:06.360 same thing for a couple of years now. You know, 1:06:06.560 --> 1:06:11.320 poor route detail, poor spacing, poor timing with the quarterback 1:06:11.400 --> 1:06:14.480 at the receiver position. Guy's not developing. You know, the 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:18.080 guy's not getting better at that spot that dad needs 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:20.800 to improve. Like even a guy like Pop Douglass and 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:23.439 we both really like and have like this whole time, Alex, 1:06:24.160 --> 1:06:26.640 he still makes the same mistakes every single week. And 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:28.960 are the mistakes agreed so egregious that he should be 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:31.040 pulled off the field. No, of course not, because the 1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:33.720 good stuff still outweighs the bad. But it's not like 1:06:33.800 --> 1:06:36.680 he's improving on any like, he's still making route running issues, 1:06:36.720 --> 1:06:40.720 he's still has spacing issues. So who's coaching him in 1:06:40.800 --> 1:06:44.160 those areas? Like who's helping him out with those things 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:46.479 that that definitely needs to be under fire. 1:06:46.840 --> 1:06:52.040 Yeah, yeah, i'd agree with you on that. Trying got caught. 1:06:52.080 --> 1:06:53.280 Jayman outs to music in the background. 1:06:53.520 --> 1:06:57.720 Second, No, they're playing music behind me and it's it's 1:06:58.120 --> 1:06:59.040 very very loud. 1:06:59.320 --> 1:07:02.880 Again, well it's in English. There's I was waiting for, 1:07:02.960 --> 1:07:03.800 like the German music. 1:07:05.720 --> 1:07:06.960 In English music for sure. 1:07:07.400 --> 1:07:10.040 All right, let's go, we'll make our way back through 1:07:10.080 --> 1:07:11.800 the downs here. We got two more, but let's go 1:07:11.840 --> 1:07:12.920 to Andrew and Boston. 1:07:13.000 --> 1:07:15.120 Andrew, Hey, what's going on? 1:07:15.480 --> 1:07:19.640 Hey, just wondering if do you think there might be 1:07:19.720 --> 1:07:24.960 some possibility that Jack Jones, Jacy Jackson and even maybe 1:07:25.080 --> 1:07:27.720 Kishon Moody were involved in any kind of like a 1:07:27.760 --> 1:07:32.040 scuffle or anything in practice if that caused what I 1:07:32.160 --> 1:07:33.640 was going with them anyway. 1:07:34.240 --> 1:07:39.200 Thanks thanks to Andrew. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:43.680 don't know. I don't think so. I think it was 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:51.040 reported that Jackson and Jones mister curfew. So wait, that's 1:07:51.760 --> 1:07:54.000 I don't think there'd be anything on top of that, right, 1:07:54.400 --> 1:07:56.040 I don't know if I'm reading too much into that. 1:07:57.520 --> 1:08:00.760 Yeah, I think with the J C. Jack some situation 1:08:01.080 --> 1:08:05.080 and also with Jack Jones. I don't necessarily think that 1:08:05.480 --> 1:08:08.880 we need to like litigate the actual details of what 1:08:09.080 --> 1:08:11.920 happened or what it means for this team right this second, 1:08:12.120 --> 1:08:15.520 right because let's face it, this team right this right 1:08:15.600 --> 1:08:18.960 now is finishing out the string for this season. Yeah, 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:21.640 And so what it means in terms of all that, 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:24.560 I don't necessarily think matters. I think what matters is 1:08:24.680 --> 1:08:29.160 just philosophically. They need to get to a point where 1:08:29.200 --> 1:08:33.639 they're not relying on these guys, these unreliable players anymore. 1:08:34.280 --> 1:08:37.519 And I think that they're relying on guys like j C. Jackson. 1:08:37.960 --> 1:08:41.120 Obviously they traded back for him at a desperation at 1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:43.880 that position, and they're relying on guys like j C. 1:08:44.160 --> 1:08:47.519 They're lying on guys like Jack Jones because they don't 1:08:47.560 --> 1:08:50.920 have a lot of talent on this roster, and those 1:08:51.000 --> 1:08:53.640 guys have talent, and so they're the ones that are 1:08:53.680 --> 1:08:56.560 getting these opportunities with the Patriots now. And I'm not 1:08:56.680 --> 1:08:59.040 saying that they have to go in like draft only 1:08:59.120 --> 1:09:02.200 boy scouts and I'm not saying that, but they need 1:09:02.320 --> 1:09:04.720 to get players that they can rely on. That's an 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:08.120 important thing, like maybe as almost as important in some 1:09:08.240 --> 1:09:11.479 respects as talent. It's guys that buy in and guys 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:13.560 that want to be here, and guys that want to 1:09:13.600 --> 1:09:16.679 play hard every week. And I think that this team 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:22.040 has fallen into a trap of you know, desperation needing talent. 1:09:22.200 --> 1:09:25.200 I don't think that he's an exact same category as 1:09:25.280 --> 1:09:27.880 the two corners, but I mentioned it with Trent Brown 1:09:27.920 --> 1:09:30.800 a little bit earlier, like they are so and we 1:09:31.240 --> 1:09:35.720 say it before, they're so reliant on Trent Brown and 1:09:35.880 --> 1:09:39.080 Trent Brown is an unreliable guy at times. So they 1:09:39.160 --> 1:09:41.280 have to get out of this rut of having a 1:09:41.360 --> 1:09:44.680 lot of guys on the roster who are in that category. 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:47.160 And I would say that it starts with the cornerback 1:09:47.200 --> 1:09:49.800 position just because of what's going on right now and 1:09:49.880 --> 1:09:52.439 those two guys being kind of the poster child of 1:09:52.560 --> 1:09:54.880 this whole thing. But like next season, they need to 1:09:54.880 --> 1:09:57.599 get into a position where j C. Jackson and Jack 1:09:57.680 --> 1:10:00.640 Jones are not projected starters for this team because they 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:02.680 can't be relied upon and such a big well. 1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:05.599 So that's where this is interesting for me. Like j C. Jackson, 1:10:05.640 --> 1:10:08.000 there's no more money on his contract, they can cut 1:10:08.080 --> 1:10:09.400 him there out from the cap hits all of it. 1:10:09.479 --> 1:10:12.680 He won't be back next year. Jack Jones is an 1:10:12.680 --> 1:10:15.680 interesting because we know they like him, or at least 1:10:15.680 --> 1:10:19.479 before this, we know they liked him, and it was 1:10:19.560 --> 1:10:22.000 clear what they were setting up Christians Alison. Jack Jones 1:10:22.080 --> 1:10:24.320 is your boundary corners with Marcus Jones on the slot 1:10:24.400 --> 1:10:26.479 and Jonathan Jones kind of as your floater, and that's 1:10:26.560 --> 1:10:28.880 what they wanted the secondary to be. And we talked 1:10:28.880 --> 1:10:31.439 about this a lot last offseason. They did not have 1:10:31.800 --> 1:10:35.600 enough size at that position, enough true boundary corners, and 1:10:35.680 --> 1:10:38.200 it hurt them. And Jack Jones is a guy that 1:10:38.320 --> 1:10:42.320 plays on the boundary. If he's not coming back, now 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:44.679 you add corner to the list of needs, and maybe 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:46.960 it's a guy like Isaiah Bolden coming back next year 1:10:47.000 --> 1:10:49.720 and performing. He obviously had a good summer before he 1:10:49.800 --> 1:10:52.240 got hurt and got placed on IR. But if you're 1:10:52.280 --> 1:10:54.200 gonna tell me Jack Jones isn' gonna start next year, 1:10:54.200 --> 1:10:56.880 I'm telling you, Okay. Cornerback is now up there on 1:10:56.960 --> 1:11:00.360 the list of need for the Patriots, and that's it's 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:02.240 the list, and that list is growing and there's they 1:11:02.280 --> 1:11:03.680 have a lot of cap space, but there's only so 1:11:03.760 --> 1:11:05.000 much you can do in one offseason. 1:11:06.200 --> 1:11:09.679 Yeah, I agree with you that it does complicate things 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:12.639 if you add corner, because I've been of the school 1:11:12.640 --> 1:11:16.360 of thought that their high end assets, their cap space, 1:11:16.680 --> 1:11:19.120 their top fifty picks, like those should all be going 1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:21.280 all of it should be going to offense. In my mind, 1:11:21.439 --> 1:11:23.760 like you had your defense draft last year, Bill, right, 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:26.439 Like you've got the chance to draft all your defensive 1:11:26.439 --> 1:11:30.559 missing pieces last year. Now, if it's Christian Gonzales, it's 1:11:30.680 --> 1:11:33.839 Jonathan Jones back and kind of the you know, inside 1:11:33.880 --> 1:11:37.920 outside travel with those Z receiver types, if those are 1:11:37.960 --> 1:11:41.479 your two lynch pins in that group, and really all 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:45.200 you're looking for is that elusive third corner that we 1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:47.679 keep talking about that I feel like they haven't had 1:11:48.200 --> 1:11:51.000 and what since like Jason mccorney or something like that, 1:11:51.720 --> 1:11:56.240 they haven't really had that reliable, stable third corner that 1:11:56.479 --> 1:11:58.680 is I think something that you could probably find in 1:11:58.760 --> 1:12:00.880 the middle rounds, Like I don't think you necessarily need 1:12:01.000 --> 1:12:04.400 to address that with this with a top fifty pick, 1:12:04.520 --> 1:12:06.639 Like you'll probably get that in the third or fourth round. 1:12:06.880 --> 1:12:09.000 You know, maybe a guy like Marcus Jones comes back 1:12:09.080 --> 1:12:12.040 and he's your nickel and John Jones still plays that 1:12:12.240 --> 1:12:15.400 kind of inside outside role. Gonzalez is obviously your number 1:12:15.400 --> 1:12:18.479 one boundary corner, and that's how it gets put together. 1:12:19.000 --> 1:12:22.040 I just think that in general, did Jack Jones thing. 1:12:22.720 --> 1:12:25.760 It's it's to me, it's over with Jack Jones, Like, 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:28.320 not only did we know that he had all these 1:12:28.400 --> 1:12:31.400 concerns coming in the draft, with all this stuff in 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:34.200 college that went on with him that made him a 1:12:34.439 --> 1:12:36.760 later round picked and he probably should have been just 1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:40.519 on talent alone. Do we all remember how his rookie 1:12:40.520 --> 1:12:43.760 season ended with the Patriots, right like they suspended him 1:12:44.120 --> 1:12:46.599 and shut him down, And now we have this thing 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:49.280 with the curfew, like it's time to just cut bait. 1:12:49.400 --> 1:12:51.200 With Jack Jones, It's just not gonna work. 1:12:51.080 --> 1:12:53.600 Here, all right, Let's get back to Dopson down. So 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:56.479 first down was receivers for both of us. Give my 1:12:56.640 --> 1:13:01.520 second down, I actually have four. My second down is tacklings. 1:13:01.680 --> 1:13:03.280 It's been a problem the last three weeks. They were 1:13:03.320 --> 1:13:04.760 a good tackling team at the beginning of the year, 1:13:04.840 --> 1:13:07.080 but especially this week as we look ahead to the 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:10.559 Colts team that runs hard, has good ball carriers, they 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:12.360 just they need to be better tacklers, playing and similar. 1:13:12.360 --> 1:13:14.080 And it's one thing when it's guys in the secondary. 1:13:14.479 --> 1:13:16.800 But when we have John Bentley missing tiger, I just 1:13:16.880 --> 1:13:18.960 say corners, and we have Juwan Bentley missing tackles, and 1:13:19.040 --> 1:13:21.439 we have Kyle Dugger missing tackles, we have Adrian Phillips. 1:13:21.720 --> 1:13:23.839 Those are guys that are supposed to be sure tacklers 1:13:23.960 --> 1:13:25.080 and they weren't last week. 1:13:25.920 --> 1:13:28.680 Yeah, yeah, tackling is you know I had is just 1:13:28.840 --> 1:13:32.720 the entire secondary. But I think tackling is a fair 1:13:32.840 --> 1:13:34.760 way to put it, and that it was mostly those 1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:38.160 guys that were missing the tackles, right, So this is 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:41.560 one of the worst secondary you know, the games for 1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:45.679 the secondary that I have seen the Patriots play since 1:13:45.760 --> 1:13:48.960 we started doing this out Like this was this was 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:53.880 not professional. They were missing tackles, They're busting coverages left 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:56.800 and right. They weren't overly competitive in coverage in this 1:13:56.960 --> 1:13:59.080 game in any way, shape or form, like whether they 1:13:59.120 --> 1:14:01.920 were busting the cover or they had their you know, 1:14:02.000 --> 1:14:03.960 they were tied together. They were just getting beat when 1:14:03.960 --> 1:14:06.320 they were tied together, so it didn't really make a 1:14:06.360 --> 1:14:08.760 difference one way or the other. You know, the big 1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:11.400 play to Pringle, like across the field throw that Sam 1:14:11.479 --> 1:14:14.120 Howell made, it's just a busted coverage they just don't 1:14:14.160 --> 1:14:16.560 have a flat defender in the zone, so there's just 1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:19.519 a wide open space for Pringle to just catch, like 1:14:19.560 --> 1:14:22.599 a ridiculous throw from Sam Howell that should never work 1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:25.400 in the NFL, but it worked because there's just nobody 1:14:25.479 --> 1:14:29.439 over there on that side of the field. I don't remember, 1:14:29.920 --> 1:14:33.360 you know, from just a fundamental standpoint, you know, knowing 1:14:33.439 --> 1:14:36.519 the coverage structure, you guys being in the right places, 1:14:36.640 --> 1:14:40.160 guys making tackles. I don't remember the Patriots defense in 1:14:40.200 --> 1:14:43.640 the back end ever looking this bad. This was a 1:14:44.080 --> 1:14:47.559 disaster game for all those guys. And I really don't 1:14:47.560 --> 1:14:49.200 think there are any sacred cows in that, Like, I 1:14:49.400 --> 1:14:51.920 don't think any of them played very well at all. 1:14:52.200 --> 1:14:54.600 And it was That's what I think one of the 1:14:54.680 --> 1:14:58.200 most frustrating things about this team and right now and 1:14:58.320 --> 1:15:01.760 about this record. If they they just were buttoned up 1:15:02.000 --> 1:15:05.200 with the details and the fundamentals and they didn't give 1:15:05.320 --> 1:15:08.160 up quarterback scrambles for twenty four yards on turning point. 1:15:08.200 --> 1:15:08.880 We're gonna get to that. 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:11.600 Yeah, if they just made these types of plays, you know, 1:15:11.880 --> 1:15:14.680 they don't bust coverages, all that type of thing, like 1:15:14.760 --> 1:15:18.160 they'd be okay defensively, would they be this great defense, No, 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:22.080 of course not, but they would be okay defensively, and 1:15:22.920 --> 1:15:25.559 they they just aren't doing those things, and that's why 1:15:25.560 --> 1:15:28.080 they're losing games like they this game. And I say 1:15:28.080 --> 1:15:30.240 at the beginning, like this game should have just been 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:32.559 like one of those ho hum Patriots games that we've 1:15:32.600 --> 1:15:35.599 seen over the last couple of years where a who 1:15:35.760 --> 1:15:38.920 knows what Sam Howell type of quarterback comes in here 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:42.280 and they just win the game twenty to seventeen because 1:15:42.280 --> 1:15:45.040 they're just but end up enough on the details that 1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:47.680 they get away with some mistakes. And that is just 1:15:47.800 --> 1:15:49.720 not this game at all. That's not how they play 1:15:49.760 --> 1:15:51.360 it at all, especially in the secondary. 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:53.679 Okay, speaking of not being buttoned up on the details, 1:15:53.760 --> 1:15:58.160 my third down special teams it was bad. 1:15:58.560 --> 1:15:59.439 It was bad. 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:02.960 So I'll say this. Chad Rowl and Bryce Berner were good. 1:16:03.120 --> 1:16:07.000 They were good in this game, bold beyond them. That 1:16:07.160 --> 1:16:08.800 was one of the worst special teams games I've seen 1:16:08.800 --> 1:16:12.639 the Patriots play. You had the the kickoff return off 1:16:12.720 --> 1:16:16.880 the off the jump, but late in the game, I 1:16:17.160 --> 1:16:19.519 to the mac Wilson penalty, and I know some people 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:21.160 have looked at it and try to see it's the 1:16:21.280 --> 1:16:25.240 lineup off sides or not really in that situation, shouldn't 1:16:25.240 --> 1:16:25.920 even be close. 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:29.080 Yeah, you should not. It wasn't even a punk runch 1:16:29.200 --> 1:16:30.840 right like it sound like they are even trying to. 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:35.320 Block it, right, don't give the ref the referees that 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:38.880 window to call that that situation, all of it a 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:42.240 bad penalty. And then Brendan's schooler with the whole as well, 1:16:42.240 --> 1:16:43.760 which was a little bit of a cell job. But again, 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:48.760 don't put yourself in that situation. I cost Patriots significant 1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:51.559 field position. The mac Wilson penalty costs them timeouts, cost 1:16:51.640 --> 1:16:55.599 them time late in the game. Again, the details are 1:16:55.680 --> 1:16:57.599 just not there on special teams, which for a team 1:16:57.640 --> 1:17:00.360 that emphasizes special teams as much as they do and 1:17:00.840 --> 1:17:03.960 has some good special teams players. Again, I think the rookies, 1:17:04.040 --> 1:17:06.840 the Gigrin punter have been good this year. I know 1:17:07.000 --> 1:17:10.920 Ryland has some misses, but they're long, they're not chip 1:17:10.960 --> 1:17:14.200 shot kicks that he's missing. And Barringer shanked a couple 1:17:14.200 --> 1:17:15.679 of kicks early in the year, but he's been buttoned 1:17:15.760 --> 1:17:17.080 up since. I hope we get to seen hit the 1:17:17.080 --> 1:17:21.200 scoreboard this weekend in Germany. But the details aren't there. 1:17:21.520 --> 1:17:23.559 The whole thing with like, all right, well, Joe Judge 1:17:23.640 --> 1:17:25.120 is gonna go to special teams and get it back 1:17:25.120 --> 1:17:27.920 to what it was in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. We 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:29.679 haven't seen that yet. 1:17:29.760 --> 1:17:34.120 No, No, And this I just think speaks to the 1:17:34.439 --> 1:17:37.840 bigger picture issues of this team of like if they're 1:17:37.920 --> 1:17:40.760 not buttoned up defensively and they don't just have this 1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:45.640 like sound defensive structure, and they're also making all these 1:17:45.720 --> 1:17:48.760 mistakes on special teams, like that's Bill Belichick, right, Like 1:17:48.840 --> 1:17:51.320 that's his bread and butter, right these two areas, And 1:17:51.439 --> 1:17:53.720 if the team isn't responding to the coaching in those 1:17:53.760 --> 1:17:57.240 two areas anymore, then that's a I don't know how 1:17:57.320 --> 1:18:00.479 you really look at it any other way in terms 1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:02.800 of all of the way that this has gone so 1:18:02.920 --> 1:18:06.320 far this season with Bill and the fact that those 1:18:06.360 --> 1:18:08.439 are the areas that are letting him down. Maybe the 1:18:08.520 --> 1:18:11.439 most outside of you know, obviously the passing game in 1:18:11.520 --> 1:18:14.080 the quarterback like they had to have known coming into 1:18:14.120 --> 1:18:17.280 the season that their passing game wasn't gonna be this 1:18:17.520 --> 1:18:20.280 like top five dropback passing game, Like they weren't going 1:18:20.360 --> 1:18:23.400 to ever be Miami or Kansas City or one of 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:26.360 these just great passing offenses, so they had to win 1:18:26.439 --> 1:18:28.360 in these other areas, and they're not even doing that 1:18:28.560 --> 1:18:31.800 right now, So that's really problematic. The special teams think 1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:35.640 they had opportunities at the end of this game to 1:18:35.760 --> 1:18:38.800 put the offense on some shorter fields and make it 1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:41.720 easier on the offense to you know, get that go 1:18:41.840 --> 1:18:44.479 ahead score or at least tie the game. And they'd 1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:47.960 started their last three drives inside their own ten yard line. 1:18:48.360 --> 1:18:50.559 And this offense is not going to drive ninety plus 1:18:50.680 --> 1:18:53.320 yards to win the game. It's just not. So you 1:18:53.479 --> 1:18:55.479 have to be able to win those field position things, 1:18:55.720 --> 1:18:59.160 you know, the third down, third and two, right, they 1:18:59.240 --> 1:19:01.760 hit that little russing route over the middle of the 1:19:01.880 --> 1:19:04.680 off side and all that stuff like that. Those are 1:19:04.720 --> 1:19:06.880 the types of things that are just absolute killers for 1:19:07.280 --> 1:19:10.040 this team right now, because the field position, when you're 1:19:10.080 --> 1:19:12.880 trying to win on the margins, the field position is 1:19:13.040 --> 1:19:15.840 really important. Like that's how you're gonna win games is 1:19:15.920 --> 1:19:18.160 by doing those types of things, and they're not doing 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:18.640 them right now. 1:19:19.479 --> 1:19:20.639 What's your third down? 1:19:21.479 --> 1:19:24.320 So I had the secondary, I had the two receivers 1:19:24.360 --> 1:19:27.680 Taekwon and Rager, and I had mac as down as well. 1:19:27.720 --> 1:19:30.160 In this game, We've already litigated Mac enough, but I 1:19:30.280 --> 1:19:32.120 just would say just to to button it up. You 1:19:32.200 --> 1:19:34.880 know the last thing. If I was Bill O'Brien, and 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:37.040 I think that this has got to be what they're doing, 1:19:37.360 --> 1:19:39.400 Like you just got to come to him and just 1:19:39.520 --> 1:19:43.519 be like, look, slow down, right, like just relax a 1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:46.439 little bit. Like your protection has been a little bit better. 1:19:47.280 --> 1:19:49.280 You know, you're not gonna your receivers. We know what 1:19:49.360 --> 1:19:53.799 you're working with, but just trust the play, trust the protection, 1:19:54.360 --> 1:19:58.080 and just go out there and play cammer like you're 1:19:58.280 --> 1:20:01.400 you're all sped up and you're you're letting yourself unravel. 1:20:01.840 --> 1:20:05.280 Like just calm down, settle your feet down, settle your 1:20:05.320 --> 1:20:08.360 eyes down, and just play football. And I think that's 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:10.719 what they have to get to with mag I wonder 1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:14.479 with him, how much do you think, you know, is 1:20:14.560 --> 1:20:17.040 he maybe thinking about all these other factors, Like he 1:20:17.080 --> 1:20:19.479 gets asked after the game, and I know, you know, 1:20:19.640 --> 1:20:22.240 people that like to get all hot and bothered about 1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:24.360 these types of things talked about it on some other 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:27.120 shows and things like that about the response to my 1:20:27.240 --> 1:20:32.080 Giardi's question about the lack of open receivers that he 1:20:32.200 --> 1:20:36.000 has to throw to. And I don't whether he agrees 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:39.160 with the criticism or not. I'm more concerned about him 1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:46.240 believing the criticism, right, him sitting there saying, well, I 1:20:46.439 --> 1:20:48.280 just how am I supposed to do that? And then 1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:51.200 and then it becomes like this impossible task just to 1:20:51.320 --> 1:20:54.320 make throws even when they're there. And if you're Mac, 1:20:54.920 --> 1:20:58.479 you have to remove yourself from the narratives and just 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:00.680 focus on what you can control and what you can 1:21:00.760 --> 1:21:03.639 do at your position and then see where it goes 1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:04.000 from there. 1:21:04.360 --> 1:21:07.080 So I, did you just do three ups three downs? 1:21:07.840 --> 1:21:11.080 You've done? Yes, Okay, so I'll say on that because 1:21:11.120 --> 1:21:13.040 I have one more down and I want to get 1:21:13.080 --> 1:21:15.439 into the colts. But I think it was it was 1:21:15.520 --> 1:21:17.640 the open to the mailbag this week, right that you 1:21:17.720 --> 1:21:22.599 wrote about Mac jaw So, Evan, I couldn't have nailed, 1:21:22.640 --> 1:21:25.519 couldn't hit the nail on the head anymore about Mac 1:21:25.600 --> 1:21:28.920 Jones standing with the team where the faults lie for 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:32.680 how he's played for the offenses played. I thought, and 1:21:32.800 --> 1:21:34.519 I know some screen grabs of it we're going around 1:21:34.560 --> 1:21:36.760 on Twitter, but I thought Evan did a fantastic job 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:40.080 on that. And you know I'm serious because I'm complimenting Evan. 1:21:40.120 --> 1:21:44.280 You're out, so I would encourage people after the day 1:21:44.320 --> 1:21:46.760 in history, I would encourage people after the show to 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:49.040 go check that out. And and he knows him being 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:51.160 sincere because I texted him about it. I think he 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:52.760 did a fantastic job of that. I didn't read the 1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:54.680 rest of the mailback. I'll be honest, I forget I 1:21:54.760 --> 1:21:56.720 was going to and something happened. But I was so 1:21:56.840 --> 1:21:59.040 blown away by what you wrote about mac Jones and 1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:01.800 how well I think you dissected situation. I have one 1:22:01.880 --> 1:22:03.679 more down in Evan. This is gonna be a first 1:22:04.200 --> 1:22:07.639 ups and downs. It actually includes the Patriots opponent from 1:22:07.680 --> 1:22:11.960 the game. It includes both teams, the entire two minute 1:22:12.040 --> 1:22:14.000 drill at the end of the first half. Both ways, 1:22:14.360 --> 1:22:16.400 this was one of the worst sequences of football I 1:22:16.439 --> 1:22:18.880 have ever seen. So let's pick it up with one 1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:21.960 forty six to go in the second quarter. Paid Dietrich 1:22:21.960 --> 1:22:24.760 wise gets a sack. Good job, third and twenty three 1:22:24.800 --> 1:22:27.080 for the Commanders. You're thinking, all right, like maybe if 1:22:27.120 --> 1:22:28.840 they pick up like twenty here they get in a 1:22:28.840 --> 1:22:30.720 field goal range, Patriot's gonna get the ball back for 1:22:30.760 --> 1:22:31.880 like a minute and a half to go a couple 1:22:31.920 --> 1:22:38.639 of timeouts Instead, Sam Halle breaks three tackles of Adrian Phillips, 1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:41.320 Jalen Mills and Jack Jones, and gets a twenty four 1:22:41.439 --> 1:22:44.040 yard scramble on third and twenty three. Evan, I looked 1:22:44.040 --> 1:22:47.720 it up earlier this week. Yeah, in the last The 1:22:47.840 --> 1:22:50.240 data only goes back on Pro Football Reference to nineteen 1:22:50.320 --> 1:22:56.040 ninety four third and twenty threes converted, not on penalty. 1:22:56.520 --> 1:23:01.880 It's only happened seven times. Well, I guess eight, and 1:23:02.200 --> 1:23:05.240 only three of them I think we are on the ground, sorry, 1:23:05.320 --> 1:23:08.040 converted on the ground. It's only happened a handful of times. 1:23:08.120 --> 1:23:12.320 Tim Tebow had one, Patrick Mahomes had one. Doesn't happen 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:14.639 a lot. So that was a breakdown and you think, 1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:17.040 oh boy, all right, here we go, and then boom. 1:23:17.080 --> 1:23:20.639 Sam Howe comes back. Next third down, hits Byron Pringle. First, 1:23:20.720 --> 1:23:22.599 he hits him down to the five yard line. It's 1:23:22.640 --> 1:23:25.559 a good tackle by Miles bryan is the only good 1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:28.880 play in the sequence. It's a good throw by how 1:23:28.960 --> 1:23:31.160 the Pringle to get down there, and Miles Bryant makes 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:33.760 a good tackle to keep Pringle in bounds. So the 1:23:33.840 --> 1:23:36.280 clock is now running. The Commanders have all three timeouts, 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:39.320 but the clock is running. Forty two seconds to goal 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:42.880 first and goal from the five. So you think, all right, boom, 1:23:42.920 --> 1:23:45.519 you hit him with the timeout. Now you got forty seconds, 1:23:45.560 --> 1:23:48.040 two timeouts, five yards to go. It's all on the table. 1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:49.760 You can run the ball, you can throw the ball, 1:23:49.840 --> 1:23:51.920 even if you take a sack. You have options. So 1:23:52.080 --> 1:23:56.639 I'm waiting for the timeout and Washington's not calling one. Okay, 1:23:57.120 --> 1:23:59.120 so you're gonna hurry up to the line, right and 1:23:59.200 --> 1:24:01.479 then that way. You have all three timeouts and you're 1:24:01.479 --> 1:24:03.000 probably gonna get the ball off with like a little 1:24:03.120 --> 1:24:05.080 under thirty seconds to go. But you have all three timeouts. 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:07.479 What's fine, you can run all four downs. No, they're 1:24:07.520 --> 1:24:10.320 taking their sweet time getting up to the line in 1:24:10.400 --> 1:24:14.080 what is a close game at the half, in what 1:24:14.280 --> 1:24:17.000 is a fourteen to ten game. So I'm like, all right, 1:24:17.200 --> 1:24:19.240 I guess they don't want to give the ball back 1:24:19.280 --> 1:24:21.560 to the Patriots with too much time. I don't know 1:24:21.640 --> 1:24:23.800 what about this Patriots offense makes them feel that way, 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:26.800 but sure they finally snaffed the ball. There's twenty three 1:24:26.880 --> 1:24:30.920 seconds left. They burned twenty seconds of a crucial two 1:24:30.960 --> 1:24:34.559 minute drill, lollygaging their way to the line. They finally 1:24:34.600 --> 1:24:36.200 get the ball off. No, I don't think anybody knows 1:24:36.240 --> 1:24:38.040 what the play is, so in the twenty seconds they 1:24:38.080 --> 1:24:40.960 didn't bother to call a play. Sam Hall rolls out 1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:43.840 just instantly boots out to his right. Nobody's open. I'm thinking, 1:24:43.840 --> 1:24:45.880 all right, he's gonna throw the ball away. I guess 1:24:45.920 --> 1:24:48.040 it's a de facto time out. More time ran off 1:24:48.080 --> 1:24:49.920 the clock than they needed to, but they still have 1:24:50.000 --> 1:24:51.880 all three timeouts and still probably be able to run 1:24:51.920 --> 1:24:54.160 all four plays. Instead, he throws the ball directly to 1:24:54.240 --> 1:24:58.639 Kyle Tucker, and you had a team at one point 1:24:58.800 --> 1:25:01.559 third and twenty three back up, all right, Patrio's gonna 1:25:01.640 --> 1:25:04.120 get a shot at two minute drill. Patriots blow the 1:25:04.160 --> 1:25:06.120 third down. Then it's like, all right, the Commanders are 1:25:06.120 --> 1:25:08.880 gonna have a chance for points here. Neither team ends 1:25:08.960 --> 1:25:11.960 up with points, nor should they have. That was just 1:25:12.200 --> 1:25:14.600 what a sequence of football that was. 1:25:14.720 --> 1:25:17.360 It was. It was something yeah, I was. You know, 1:25:17.439 --> 1:25:19.400 we sit in the press box, you know where I sit. 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:22.519 But I'll explain, like me and Fred and Paul and Duce, 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:25.400 we all sit together at home games, which is always fun, 1:25:25.479 --> 1:25:27.639 and all of us are just like, oh my good, 1:25:27.800 --> 1:25:30.120 Like what a just bad football? 1:25:30.600 --> 1:25:34.840 Just burn the tape, and again it's both teams. It's 1:25:35.040 --> 1:25:38.400 the Patriots had a gaff and you're like, wow, this 1:25:38.520 --> 1:25:40.719 could be like a game defining gaff. And the commanders 1:25:40.760 --> 1:25:42.760 came out and said, hang on a second here, you 1:25:42.840 --> 1:25:44.720 think you're gonna have the biggest gaff of this two 1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:49.240 minute drill? Watch this hold our beer. Yes, you blow 1:25:49.280 --> 1:25:51.560 a tackle, You blow a tackle to not call the 1:25:51.640 --> 1:25:53.439 time out there? And then if Sam Hall throw the 1:25:53.520 --> 1:25:56.760 ball directly to Kyle Duggar, is just what you're doing, 1:25:56.880 --> 1:25:59.320 you know, just in general, not to like pile on 1:25:59.360 --> 1:25:59.839 the commanders. 1:26:00.000 --> 1:26:03.280 It's not, you know, a commander's show, but in general, 1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:05.040 I think that that's such a good point of just 1:26:06.000 --> 1:26:10.240 I really have to wonder if that situation for Sam 1:26:10.320 --> 1:26:13.479 Howell doesn't feel so rushed, right if he throws that 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:17.120 pick right, like, because you're just at that point as 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:19.840 a quarterback, like you're just thinking, like I'm running out 1:26:19.840 --> 1:26:22.000 of time in the half. I gotta like we gotta 1:26:22.040 --> 1:26:24.680 make something like you just get frastled, right, like it 1:26:24.760 --> 1:26:27.040 just it just snowballs on you from there and then 1:26:27.080 --> 1:26:29.000 you make a bad decision like that was really the 1:26:29.080 --> 1:26:31.600 only bad decision he made the entire day was that 1:26:31.760 --> 1:26:35.000 throw And so it just it just goes to show 1:26:35.439 --> 1:26:39.240 how young quarterbacks and that's another young quarterback is seting 1:26:39.280 --> 1:26:42.320 your guy that's really making his first couple of starts 1:26:42.360 --> 1:26:44.559 in the league. Like, it just goes to show how 1:26:44.680 --> 1:26:47.640 helpful it can be to just settle guys down and 1:26:47.840 --> 1:26:50.400 just give them time to breathe with over the course 1:26:50.439 --> 1:26:53.120 of a drive, over the course of a game. But yeah, 1:26:53.200 --> 1:26:56.560 you nailed it there when the uh that ending was 1:26:56.880 --> 1:26:58.360 was horrible. It was terrible. 1:26:58.520 --> 1:27:00.120 Go back and watch it if you want to laugh. Ye, 1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:02.560 and it was both. Is just I don't know that 1:27:02.640 --> 1:27:04.519 there's anything I always say, like, what we learn from this? 1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:06.000 What can we learn from that? Your point about the 1:27:06.040 --> 1:27:08.680 young quarterback is good, but I don't know there's anything to. 1:27:08.720 --> 1:27:09.040 Learn from it. 1:27:09.120 --> 1:27:10.960 I thought it was funny. I just wanted to bring 1:27:11.000 --> 1:27:11.600 it up. I enjoyed it. 1:27:11.600 --> 1:27:11.720 All. 1:27:11.760 --> 1:27:13.840 Right, let's go to Todd North Carolina and then we'll 1:27:13.880 --> 1:27:15.479 get to the Colts. Todd, how we do it today? 1:27:17.040 --> 1:27:20.000 Hey, guys, I like the insights, but I just feel 1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:22.680 right now that this entire team is broken from the 1:27:22.800 --> 1:27:27.080 top down. Belichick looks like he doesn't want to be there, 1:27:27.160 --> 1:27:29.400 and he doesn't understand what's going on and why it's 1:27:29.439 --> 1:27:32.280 not working. You take a look at the coaches and 1:27:32.520 --> 1:27:35.120 they're just you know, they're looking and they're trying to 1:27:35.160 --> 1:27:38.599 console each other. It just seems like nothing wants to work. 1:27:38.680 --> 1:27:42.200 And I don't know what big solution is because it's 1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:46.680 just they're not on the same page. They're making mistakes everywhere. 1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:48.519 All right, thanks to call Todd. 1:27:48.720 --> 1:27:52.320 I'll say this, I don't think there's an issue with 1:27:52.360 --> 1:27:57.000 Bill Belichick's want to. I really don't hearing him after 1:27:57.160 --> 1:28:00.320 talk after that Commander's game that was he's not a 1:28:00.400 --> 1:28:02.760 guy that he did not have the mood of a 1:28:02.800 --> 1:28:04.439 guy that was, all right, we lost another game, whatever, 1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:05.760 what it is, what it is, This is what the 1:28:05.800 --> 1:28:08.720 season is. No, he's legitimately bothered by the way this 1:28:08.760 --> 1:28:11.400 team is playing, and whether or not he's the guy 1:28:11.479 --> 1:28:14.800 to turn it around is another question. But I don't 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:17.800 think he's quitting. I'll say that. I don't think he 1:28:17.880 --> 1:28:19.760 has come close to quitting. I think he still very 1:28:19.840 --> 1:28:22.920 much cares. I think these losses still very much bothered him. 1:28:23.800 --> 1:28:25.479 Yeah, I agree with that one hundred percent. 1:28:25.560 --> 1:28:28.120 I don't think quitting is in Bill Belichick's team. No, No, 1:28:28.320 --> 1:28:30.280 and the whole thing about like tank. He's not gonna tank. 1:28:30.720 --> 1:28:33.280 He is not go it's not happening. He's not gonna 1:28:33.280 --> 1:28:36.280 purposely start losing games. He's not gonna stop caring about 1:28:36.280 --> 1:28:38.320 winning and losing games, and nor should he, by the way, 1:28:38.760 --> 1:28:42.240 to say, let me say that if you you should tanking, 1:28:42.320 --> 1:28:44.559 I've said the story. Tanking happens at the general manager 1:28:44.680 --> 1:28:47.599 level and above. But because Bill is both, you default 1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:50.720 to the coach level. He's a real competitor. He's out 1:28:50.760 --> 1:28:53.559 there to win. He's not wasting time. He's not wasting 1:28:53.640 --> 1:28:55.880 his time, he's not wasting anybody else's time. He's out 1:28:55.880 --> 1:28:57.160 there to win. And I give him credit for that. 1:28:57.720 --> 1:29:02.040 I honestly, my bigger concern with the coaching and with 1:29:02.200 --> 1:29:05.519 Bill is not necessarily about him quitting. I don't have 1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:10.120 any that's not even in my rational right. You know, 1:29:10.360 --> 1:29:13.519 that's not even on my brain. But I know, and 1:29:13.640 --> 1:29:16.519 we know Alex from covering the team, like how hard 1:29:17.240 --> 1:29:22.000 these coaches coach these players, Like they have long hours, 1:29:22.360 --> 1:29:26.839 they have long meetings, Their corrections can be really brutally 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:29.760 honest sometimes like when they get in there. And that's 1:29:29.800 --> 1:29:34.439 why I always feel somewhat comfortable like criticizing players and 1:29:34.479 --> 1:29:38.000 criticizing the team, because I know that what they're hearing, 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:40.800 the critiques and the corrections that they're getting from the 1:29:40.880 --> 1:29:44.240 coaching staff are ten times worse than what we're saying. Yeah, 1:29:44.520 --> 1:29:47.160 I promise you that they And when I say ten 1:29:47.200 --> 1:29:50.120 times worse, I mean the volume of it is because 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:52.720 they know all the little details of how they're screwing up. 1:29:52.800 --> 1:29:53.200 Not right. 1:29:53.320 --> 1:29:55.240 How many times do we say, you know, we don't 1:29:55.280 --> 1:29:57.479 know what the call is, so we can't definitively say 1:29:57.520 --> 1:29:58.360 they know what the call is? 1:29:58.479 --> 1:30:03.080 Right? Oh, right? Like this a coaching staff that goes 1:30:03.280 --> 1:30:05.720 about it and says like, we this is a six 1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:08.080 yard route and you ran it at five and a 1:30:08.120 --> 1:30:09.600 half yards, and we need you to run it. 1:30:09.640 --> 1:30:11.080 At six right, right? 1:30:11.280 --> 1:30:13.120 Like that, that's the type of stuff that you hear 1:30:13.160 --> 1:30:16.479 about how they coach players. So we know that this 1:30:16.680 --> 1:30:18.599 is a coaching staff that has a lot of smart 1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:21.719 football minds on it and that makes those tough corrections 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:24.080 and isn't afraid to say the tough things in the room, 1:30:24.520 --> 1:30:27.160 and the players aren't responding to it anymore. Like the 1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:30.360 players are not getting any better, They're not clean there, 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:34.559 they're poor fundamentally, like they're not it's not working. It's 1:30:34.600 --> 1:30:37.320 the message is not being received. And if the message 1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:40.639 isn't being received anymore, then I don't that's a big 1:30:40.760 --> 1:30:45.120 problem that needs to be addressed because it's not you know, 1:30:45.240 --> 1:30:48.400 Bill Belichick's not going in there and saying like, you know, 1:30:48.720 --> 1:30:52.519 bust the coverage, draw go off sides, draw a hold 1:30:52.600 --> 1:30:55.240 on you know, like that. He's not saying those types 1:30:55.240 --> 1:30:57.720 of things. We know that. So the mistakes are being 1:30:57.840 --> 1:31:01.400 made because it's not gonna through. The message is not 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:04.360 resonating with the players. I mean, we talked about special 1:31:04.400 --> 1:31:07.040 teams earlier, Alex they got punished in the offseason for 1:31:07.200 --> 1:31:11.200 having too many special teams eight, right, they spend too 1:31:11.320 --> 1:31:14.800 much time on special teams. Yet they are thirtieth in 1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:17.960 the league in dboa on special teams. They're one of 1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:21.000 the worst special teams units in the National Football League, 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:25.479 despite having three dedicated special teams coaches and five dedicated 1:31:25.560 --> 1:31:29.720 special teams players. Yeah. Yeah, that that's code. Like the 1:31:29.760 --> 1:31:32.040 message isn't getting crossed anymore, period. 1:31:32.960 --> 1:31:35.880 All right, Uh, we'll take Patty and Aguam's call real quick, 1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:37.040 and then we'll get to the Colts. And I do 1:31:37.160 --> 1:31:38.720 want to get to the draft news too, So you're 1:31:38.760 --> 1:31:40.800 gonna have to make it quick here, Patty, what's up. 1:31:42.920 --> 1:31:43.719 I'll make it quick. 1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:46.320 Good morning, So I have. 1:31:46.760 --> 1:31:48.479 I have just my head the other day. 1:31:48.680 --> 1:31:52.240 How would you guys feel if draft that we're in doubt? 1:31:52.280 --> 1:31:55.160 It's a great down. I know it's not popular. Possibly 1:31:55.280 --> 1:31:59.479 pick up and Michael Pennock. That's no leg I'll take 1:31:59.520 --> 1:31:59.960 it off there. 1:32:00.640 --> 1:32:03.200 So the old pair that Roman Dunesay and Michael Pennix, 1:32:03.439 --> 1:32:07.280 the old pair, the uh pair, the quarterback with the 1:32:07.360 --> 1:32:09.720 college receiver thing. I don't know that you're gonna be 1:32:09.720 --> 1:32:11.920 able to do that. You're gonna probably need two top 1:32:12.000 --> 1:32:15.599 twenty picks to do that, and you trade back. There's 1:32:15.680 --> 1:32:18.240 no team. The only team that has two first round 1:32:18.280 --> 1:32:20.240 picks is the Bears, and they're both gonna be top five. 1:32:20.840 --> 1:32:23.760 So I just don't know if that situation presents itself. 1:32:23.800 --> 1:32:26.599 I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it. I just think 1:32:26.680 --> 1:32:28.080 that that's asking a bit too much. 1:32:29.760 --> 1:32:33.280 Yeah, I mean that would be great, right right. I 1:32:33.360 --> 1:32:36.000 think that when they drafted Mac obviously it's kind of 1:32:36.040 --> 1:32:39.640 a similar situation. I have. My dream has always been 1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:42.439 to try to pair him with Devonte Smith. And that's 1:32:42.880 --> 1:32:45.840 it's impossible, right, and it just wasn't gonna happen, and 1:32:45.960 --> 1:32:48.280 that draft for similar reasons, so that that would work 1:32:48.320 --> 1:32:50.479 out perfectly if if you could do, you know, go 1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:56.000 about doing that. But I I just I don't really know, 1:32:56.680 --> 1:32:59.759 you know. I I think that if you're gonna address 1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:03.080 back end receiver in the same draft or the same offseason, 1:33:03.400 --> 1:33:05.880 excuse me, you're gonna have to pay the receiver in 1:33:05.960 --> 1:33:08.920 veteran free agency. Like that's you're gonna have to go 1:33:09.000 --> 1:33:11.160 out in the veteran market and get the receiver that way. 1:33:11.880 --> 1:33:14.360 All right, Let's move on to this Patriots Colts matchup. 1:33:15.280 --> 1:33:16.880 And as I see here at talking about a NFL 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:19.639 networks the rivalry evan real quick, your favorite Patriots Colts 1:33:19.720 --> 1:33:23.040 rivalry moment. Oh wait, you're asking a tribute question. Let's 1:33:23.040 --> 1:33:25.120 see if you can get this. Which Patriots running back 1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:27.280 ran for career high two hundred one yards in one 1:33:27.360 --> 1:33:29.080 game versus the Colts in twenty fourteen? 1:33:29.560 --> 1:33:32.720 You me, yeah, you don't think I can get that one. 1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:36.200 Come up A Stephen Ridley, b Jonas Grace Grace Ce, 1:33:36.400 --> 1:33:37.920 Shane Vereen, d James White. 1:33:38.439 --> 1:33:39.040 Jonas Gray. 1:33:39.040 --> 1:33:40.519 I can't believe it was only two hundred one yards. 1:33:40.560 --> 1:33:41.400 He felt like five hundred. 1:33:41.640 --> 1:33:42.680 It felt like a little bit more. 1:33:42.800 --> 1:33:44.800 That's up there for my favorite Patriots Colts moans, what's 1:33:44.800 --> 1:33:46.160 your favorite Patriots Colt moment? 1:33:46.400 --> 1:33:50.360 So it wasn't a playoff game, so interesting that caveat 1:33:50.880 --> 1:33:52.639 William McGinnis goal line stop. 1:33:52.840 --> 1:33:54.000 Okay, yeah, that's a good one. 1:33:54.560 --> 1:33:57.560 That one's still my favorite. Like there's no way that 1:33:57.680 --> 1:33:59.519 you would have thought that they were winning that game, 1:33:59.520 --> 1:34:01.479 Like it looked so crystal clear, like that game was 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:06.080 over right, Yeah, that was That was my favorite moment. 1:34:06.160 --> 1:34:09.600 I did the ty Law three interception game in the playoffs. 1:34:09.360 --> 1:34:14.000 So on the same way ty Law's interceptions and then 1:34:14.280 --> 1:34:16.160 you know, in the snow and everything that was like 1:34:16.280 --> 1:34:18.720 peek Patriots early time to see that was everything you 1:34:18.760 --> 1:34:21.400 wanted from those games in the snow in the playoffs, 1:34:21.479 --> 1:34:24.920 big name players making plays, Peyton Manning crying that one 1:34:25.040 --> 1:34:27.639 was awesome. The Willie McGinnis goal line stands a great play, 1:34:28.439 --> 1:34:31.479 Jonas Gray. And then also let's not forget the fake 1:34:31.560 --> 1:34:34.280 punt that never was Oh yeah right, that's got to 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:37.320 be up there as well. But different game. Now, Patriots 1:34:37.360 --> 1:34:39.479 and Colts playing for the third time, in three years 1:34:40.400 --> 1:34:42.639 Colts won two years ago. That kind of kicked off 1:34:43.160 --> 1:34:45.439 that backslide for the Patriots at the end of the 1:34:45.479 --> 1:34:47.960 twenty twenty one season. Last year, Colts came in the 1:34:48.040 --> 1:34:50.559 game after firing your offensive coordinator. They run a backup 1:34:50.640 --> 1:34:54.719 quarterback Sam Ellinger. Patriots pants them. So Rubbert match, neutral site, 1:34:55.200 --> 1:34:59.040 fun game. Let's start with quarterback Evin start quarterback Gardner 1:34:59.160 --> 1:34:59.760 Minshew is. 1:35:01.160 --> 1:35:01.320 Yeah. 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:03.599 Anthony Richardson obviously out for the year. I was looking 1:35:03.640 --> 1:35:05.400 forward to this game mainly because I wanted to watch 1:35:05.400 --> 1:35:08.960 Anthony Richardson. That's not gonna happen. Now, here's something interesting 1:35:09.000 --> 1:35:13.120 about Gardner Minshew. In Gardner Minshew's career, he's thrown for 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:16.360 over three hundred yards eight times, including ones this year. 1:35:17.280 --> 1:35:18.760 How many of those games is he won? Ever? 1:35:20.200 --> 1:35:22.920 Oh, I would assume like one or two. It's all 1:35:23.000 --> 1:35:27.320 garbage time zero, right, yeah, zero, he's garbage time Minshew 1:35:27.520 --> 1:35:29.679 Like that's that's his bread and butter right there. 1:35:29.880 --> 1:35:33.759 First and foremost responsibility for the Patriots this week stopped 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:36.479 the run. It was what killed him two years ago 1:35:37.160 --> 1:35:38.760 in Indy in that game at the end of the 1:35:38.760 --> 1:35:41.800 twenty twenty one season. I believe Jonathan Taylor didn't play 1:35:41.920 --> 1:35:46.439 last year. Yeah, right, so we know Taylor can get them. 1:35:46.479 --> 1:35:48.680 We talked about Jonathan Taylor didn't play in the game 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:50.040 last year. Yeah right, that's what I'm saying. 1:35:50.120 --> 1:35:52.280 Yeah, the game in Indy, he did he Oh, he 1:35:52.479 --> 1:35:53.360 very much didn't play. 1:35:53.439 --> 1:35:54.719 Yeah, he was a beast. 1:35:55.360 --> 1:35:57.519 So this is a guy that had trouble with He's 1:35:57.520 --> 1:35:59.200 a guy that knows how to break tackles. We talked 1:35:59.200 --> 1:36:03.400 about the tackling shoes earlier. You gotta hit Jonathan Taylor early. 1:36:03.600 --> 1:36:05.120 You can't let him build a head of team. So 1:36:05.200 --> 1:36:07.360 to go back to ups and downs, Evan, my two 1:36:07.439 --> 1:36:09.080 ups from the defense. Remember I said they're only two 1:36:09.120 --> 1:36:12.280 guys that played world defensively to Vaughan Godshaw Christian Barmore. 1:36:13.160 --> 1:36:15.920 Massive game for those two this week. Massive game. Those 1:36:15.920 --> 1:36:16.720 two need to show up. 1:36:17.320 --> 1:36:19.360 Yeah. Yeah, it's a big game for the run. 1:36:19.439 --> 1:36:19.560 You know. 1:36:19.840 --> 1:36:23.439 Look, I think what's weird about the Colts is that 1:36:24.520 --> 1:36:29.639 from my perspective, Anthony Richardson, it looks so much better 1:36:29.720 --> 1:36:32.800 with Anthony Richardson, like it just aesthetically, you know, the 1:36:32.880 --> 1:36:36.439 eye test, but if you look at it statistically, their 1:36:36.520 --> 1:36:38.720 offense has basically been the same with Caardner Minshew in 1:36:38.840 --> 1:36:39.880 terms of production. 1:36:39.800 --> 1:36:42.519 Carter Minshew's not bad. This isn't like your normal backup 1:36:42.600 --> 1:36:44.800 quarterback Gardner Minshew, for the static gave you at the beginning, 1:36:44.840 --> 1:36:47.479 It's not a bad He's probably somewhere between like the 1:36:47.520 --> 1:36:50.640 thirtieth and fortieth best quarterback in the league. He's a serviceable, 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:51.639 plug and play guy. 1:36:52.040 --> 1:36:55.120 He's a four A player, right, Yeah, like he's he's 1:36:55.200 --> 1:36:58.040 not He's a high end backup. Yeah, he's probably one 1:36:58.080 --> 1:36:59.880 of the best backup quarterbacks in the league. I would 1:36:59.880 --> 1:37:00.120 say so. 1:37:00.680 --> 1:37:04.120 Yeah, but with this isn't some helpless like second year 1:37:05.400 --> 1:37:07.960 you know court seeing NFL defense for the first time quarterback. 1:37:08.000 --> 1:37:09.680 This is a guy who's been around and he's won 1:37:09.760 --> 1:37:10.160 some games. 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:13.840 Yeah. Yeah, And there are like I said, you know, 1:37:13.960 --> 1:37:17.599 from an EPA perspective, their offense literally produces the exact 1:37:17.680 --> 1:37:20.160 same EPA with with Gardner Mitschew as it does with 1:37:20.320 --> 1:37:24.040 Anthony Richardson, Like literally the exact same number. So you 1:37:24.120 --> 1:37:27.120 look at this group, I've been really impressed, you know, 1:37:27.240 --> 1:37:31.639 with with Tikan obviously, I think he can coach offense. 1:37:31.760 --> 1:37:34.720 Now I don't know enough about him as like a 1:37:34.800 --> 1:37:37.000 CEO of a football team, right, I don't know if 1:37:37.000 --> 1:37:39.000 he's the leader of men and does all the other 1:37:39.080 --> 1:37:41.280 things that take a head coach to do. But in 1:37:41.400 --> 1:37:45.080 terms of scheming offense, they are running the Eagles offense 1:37:45.120 --> 1:37:47.320 with Jalen Hurts, and the idea was just to have 1:37:47.640 --> 1:37:51.679 Anthony Richardson beat their Jalen Hurts. It hasn't necessarily worked 1:37:51.680 --> 1:37:54.280 out that way just because of Richardson's injury. But they're 1:37:54.320 --> 1:37:56.360 still doing a lot of the same things with Minshew 1:37:56.400 --> 1:37:58.400 that they were would have done with Richardson. A lot 1:37:58.439 --> 1:38:02.120 of RPOs on early downs, option runs, like, there's still 1:38:02.160 --> 1:38:03.880 a lot of that in this offense. I mean, Mitschew 1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:05.439 a couple of weeks ago against Cleveland had like a 1:38:05.520 --> 1:38:09.400 seventeen yard touchdown run on one of the Eagles patented 1:38:09.560 --> 1:38:12.320 you know, run run pass options right where there's like 1:38:12.400 --> 1:38:16.160 a quarterback run element, there's a handoff element, and then 1:38:16.160 --> 1:38:18.360 there's a pass hot element. So it's all those things 1:38:18.479 --> 1:38:21.280 is one. So I think that this is a difficult 1:38:21.360 --> 1:38:27.000 scheme to play without a ton of familiarity with the team, right, 1:38:27.280 --> 1:38:29.760 Like if you're an NFC team, it can be I 1:38:29.840 --> 1:38:32.040 think this can be a little bit like what's going 1:38:32.080 --> 1:38:34.879 on here at times Now, the Patriots played the Eagles 1:38:35.280 --> 1:38:37.280 earlier on in the year, so I guess they have 1:38:37.400 --> 1:38:39.960 that advantage of they've kind of already faced this offense 1:38:40.000 --> 1:38:42.720 once before. But of course, as we've all, you know, 1:38:42.880 --> 1:38:45.600 talked about at nausea and I had Judean, he had 1:38:45.720 --> 1:38:48.680 Christian Gonzalez, he had much different personnel back then. So 1:38:48.880 --> 1:38:50.560 I don't look at this offense is one that you 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:54.080 have to worry about being overwhelmingly more talented. It's kind 1:38:54.120 --> 1:38:55.960 of similar to the last week honestly, where I talked 1:38:56.040 --> 1:38:58.839 up you know, er the enemy and that the offense 1:38:58.880 --> 1:39:00.639 and ended up you know, throwing for over three hundred 1:39:00.680 --> 1:39:04.160 yards on the Patriots. It's a well coached offense. They 1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:08.080 put a lot of challenging things at you schematically offensively, 1:39:08.439 --> 1:39:10.479 and if you're not ready to play this game, then 1:39:10.520 --> 1:39:12.960 garter Mitch you can move the ball like I don't 1:39:12.960 --> 1:39:16.639 think that he's a complete, you know, terrible quarterback where 1:39:17.320 --> 1:39:19.120 they could do all these things right ex as and 1:39:19.200 --> 1:39:21.840 O's wise, but it just doesn't work out because Mitschew stinks. 1:39:21.920 --> 1:39:24.120 All right, talk to me about Michael Pittman. You said, 1:39:24.160 --> 1:39:26.880 you like if you saw from him, Yeah, yeah, you know, I. 1:39:26.880 --> 1:39:29.120 Think This is a I'm glad you brought this up 1:39:29.200 --> 1:39:32.240 because one of the little sneaky things that I'm going 1:39:32.320 --> 1:39:34.960 to be doing in this game is actually watching somebody 1:39:35.000 --> 1:39:37.400 else on the other team, which, to be honest, I 1:39:37.400 --> 1:39:39.320 don't know. I don't really do that that often. Aw 1:39:39.360 --> 1:39:41.960 It's like it's not something that I really do very much. 1:39:42.840 --> 1:39:46.280 But Michael Pittman's a free agent going into next offseason. 1:39:46.360 --> 1:39:49.519 I mentioned earlier that if you're indeed you have a 1:39:49.640 --> 1:39:53.400 young stud potential quarterback here with Anthony Richardson, based off 1:39:53.400 --> 1:39:55.759 of how he played when he was healthy, you probably 1:39:55.840 --> 1:39:58.160 want to keep Pittman around, like that's probably a guy 1:39:58.200 --> 1:40:00.519 that you're going to lock up long term. But I 1:40:00.600 --> 1:40:04.519 think it should be said that Pittman has basically been 1:40:04.560 --> 1:40:07.200 a thousand yard receiver playing with Carson Wentz and Matt 1:40:07.240 --> 1:40:10.000 Ryan as his quarterbacks and then this year a rookie 1:40:10.280 --> 1:40:13.920 and Gardner Minshew, So he hasn't really played with a 1:40:14.000 --> 1:40:15.560 ton of It's not like he's out there playing with 1:40:15.640 --> 1:40:18.200 Patrick Mahomes and he's catching one hundred balls a year. 1:40:18.720 --> 1:40:20.960 He's a really good route runner for his size. You know, 1:40:21.000 --> 1:40:23.800 he's got that big frame, so he can't win down 1:40:23.880 --> 1:40:25.680 the field above the rim. But he also has that 1:40:25.840 --> 1:40:28.920 ability to break off routes at the intermediate level, you know, 1:40:29.080 --> 1:40:32.280 digs out things like that to keep a defender honest. 1:40:32.840 --> 1:40:35.719 So I'm impressed with this film as like a true 1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:40.840 prototypical X receiver And if the Patriots want to look 1:40:40.880 --> 1:40:43.560 at that spot, which they should be in the offseason 1:40:43.640 --> 1:40:46.920 and looking to upgrade Devonte Parker, I think that's exactly 1:40:47.000 --> 1:40:50.759 what Michael Pittman is is a younger, better DeVante Parker. 1:40:51.200 --> 1:40:53.360 Well, he was the guy I remember too, Like they 1:40:53.520 --> 1:40:55.920 met with him going into the draft, right, they liked 1:40:56.000 --> 1:40:57.880 him going into the draft. 1:40:57.920 --> 1:41:00.519 I think yeah, I liked him a little bit going 1:41:00.600 --> 1:41:03.840 into the draft too. What my concern was with him 1:41:04.240 --> 1:41:06.360 in terms of fitting him into the system because he 1:41:06.520 --> 1:41:10.200 is his downfield opportunities are going to come on jump balls, right, Like, 1:41:10.320 --> 1:41:12.800 that's gonna be a lot of his verticals are going 1:41:12.880 --> 1:41:14.680 to be throw it up to him and see if 1:41:14.680 --> 1:41:16.360 he can make a play on the ball. And we 1:41:16.479 --> 1:41:18.960 know how that skill set hasn't necessarily worked here in 1:41:19.040 --> 1:41:21.880 New England. But he can run routes like he can 1:41:22.000 --> 1:41:24.600 break down and run routes and great separation at the 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:26.920 top of the route maybe a little bit better than 1:41:26.960 --> 1:41:29.040 I thought coming in based off of what he's put 1:41:29.080 --> 1:41:32.040 on tape with the Colts. So intriguing player. If he hits, 1:41:32.160 --> 1:41:36.000 you know, free agency, that's somebody that maybe T Higgins doesn't, 1:41:36.120 --> 1:41:38.479 or maybe T Higgins is a thirty million dollar guy 1:41:38.520 --> 1:41:40.640 in free agency and they end up going or the 1:41:40.760 --> 1:41:43.280 rout of somebody more a little bit more affordable. Then 1:41:43.320 --> 1:41:45.800 I think that's sort of T Higgins. And then number 1:41:45.840 --> 1:41:48.160 two in that class to me right now is Michael Pittman. 1:41:48.520 --> 1:41:50.280 All Right, we're we're kind of rolling through this because 1:41:50.280 --> 1:41:53.320 we've got to be off by eleven fifty because uh, 1:41:53.600 --> 1:41:55.479 Patriots on fielder's coming up next, and we got to 1:41:55.520 --> 1:41:57.880 let them set up for that. You know, I feel 1:41:57.880 --> 1:41:59.360 like when we talk about the Patriots offense in this 1:41:59.400 --> 1:42:01.000 game with same thing every week, right, what is the 1:42:01.080 --> 1:42:03.559 roota shouldn't what does the rotation look like? A wide 1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:06.160 receivers Kashawn Boody playing, How much is Samira Douglas play? 1:42:06.439 --> 1:42:09.280 How are they lining it up on the offensive line? 1:42:09.280 --> 1:42:11.799 How are things gonna go there? Can Mac look comfortable 1:42:11.800 --> 1:42:15.400 in the pocket? Is it just the status quo again 1:42:15.439 --> 1:42:17.960 for the offensive week? Or is there anything that changes 1:42:18.040 --> 1:42:18.759 with this matchup. 1:42:19.240 --> 1:42:22.360 Yeah, And really the other thing is, well, you remember 1:42:22.439 --> 1:42:24.600 the game last year, and that was probably one of 1:42:24.640 --> 1:42:28.000 the worst offensive games of football I've ever watched. Between 1:42:28.040 --> 1:42:32.120 these two games teams, and last year, DeForest Buckner just 1:42:32.200 --> 1:42:35.120 completely ruined the game for the Patriots and Cole Strange 1:42:35.160 --> 1:42:38.519 got benched because of DeForest Buckner. So, like you said, 1:42:38.560 --> 1:42:41.559 this is a big litmus test game for this offense. 1:42:41.600 --> 1:42:45.240 It's a similar defense, same defensive coordinator. They changed head coaches, 1:42:45.520 --> 1:42:48.280 but they kept Gus Bradley as a defensive coordinator, and 1:42:48.600 --> 1:42:51.120 Gus Bradley runs a Seattle three defense. He's like one 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:52.840 of the he's a dying breed. He's like one of 1:42:52.880 --> 1:42:56.800 the last guys that's holding out on changing his philosophy. 1:42:57.280 --> 1:42:59.880 They play more zone coverage than any defense in the NFL. 1:43:00.160 --> 1:43:02.679 They play more Cover three than any defense in the NFL. 1:43:03.240 --> 1:43:05.960 They are a Seattle three defense. Still. Now a lot 1:43:06.000 --> 1:43:09.519 of teams that have branches from that tree have been 1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:13.479 become more like quarters based, you know, like Fangio type 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:16.640 of defenses because of you know, you can't teams just 1:43:16.680 --> 1:43:19.280 have figured out how to take down the cover free stuff. 1:43:19.400 --> 1:43:21.599 Like it's just with all these offenses that can throw 1:43:21.640 --> 1:43:23.920 the ball down the field and all these passing attacks, 1:43:24.240 --> 1:43:26.600 it becomes problematic to play that much single high so 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:30.080 team teams have morphed the system. No, not Gus Bradley. 1:43:31.400 --> 1:43:34.640 Gus Bradley's just still doing his thing, but they do 1:43:34.760 --> 1:43:36.719 it at a pretty decent level. Like they're like middle 1:43:36.760 --> 1:43:40.000 of the pack in DVOA. But I do think that 1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:42.519 this is a team because they play so much zone coverage. 1:43:42.800 --> 1:43:45.000 There's gonna be some open receivers down the field in 1:43:45.040 --> 1:43:48.519 this game. Like we always talk about that man coverage, 1:43:48.520 --> 1:43:51.599 it's about the receivers getting open zone coverage. You can 1:43:51.680 --> 1:43:54.679 beat zone coverage just with good scheme. So if O'Brien 1:43:54.720 --> 1:43:56.840 can scheme some guys open against this team, which I 1:43:56.880 --> 1:43:59.439 think they will be able to, then it becomes on 1:43:59.680 --> 1:44:03.560 the detection to Forrest Buckner and can they hang you know, 1:44:03.960 --> 1:44:06.240 can they hold off that front four? You know, Buckner 1:44:06.360 --> 1:44:08.040 is a good player. I think Quitty pay is a 1:44:08.080 --> 1:44:11.120 good pass rusher. They have some guys that Apu can 1:44:11.320 --> 1:44:13.600 that can rush the passer. Uh So let's see what 1:44:13.680 --> 1:44:15.240 it looks like upfront, and let's see if you know, 1:44:15.320 --> 1:44:17.599 Cole Strange can keep himself from getting benched again against 1:44:17.600 --> 1:44:18.280 the Forrest Buckner. 1:44:18.400 --> 1:44:20.519 All right, so that's it. Evan will have his game preview. 1:44:20.560 --> 1:44:23.040 I think your previous already up right on Patriots dot com. 1:44:23.720 --> 1:44:25.640 My game preview will be up tomorrow morning ninety at 1:44:25.680 --> 1:44:28.120 five the sports ub dot com because there is one 1:44:28.280 --> 1:44:30.519 more story I want to talk about and I you know, 1:44:30.800 --> 1:44:32.840 people always are asking us to talk about the draft. 1:44:33.240 --> 1:44:36.240 Did we lose Evan there? Now he's back? Okay? People 1:44:36.240 --> 1:44:38.040 always you know, we talk about the draft a lot, 1:44:38.160 --> 1:44:40.519 and and specifically we're big on the the All Star Games. 1:44:40.520 --> 1:44:42.960 Obviously we went to the Shrine Bowl last year. We've 1:44:43.000 --> 1:44:45.439 covered the Senior Bowl extensively as well. There's other games, 1:44:45.479 --> 1:44:47.160 the Legacy Bowl, the Hula Bowl. 1:44:47.520 --> 1:44:50.360 Like as you're talking about this, I I can't say 1:44:50.439 --> 1:44:53.600 with one hundred percent certainty, but Mobile might be in 1:44:53.680 --> 1:44:56.479 our future, Alex, So we might be back. And it's 1:44:56.520 --> 1:44:58.920 looking good. It's soaking good for Mobile. 1:44:58.960 --> 1:45:01.360 And we may seem more than what we would typically see. 1:45:01.360 --> 1:45:05.320 Because Adam Schefter reported this yesterday, college juniors who declare 1:45:05.360 --> 1:45:08.960 for the draft are now eligible to play in all 1:45:09.040 --> 1:45:11.920 of these games. So in the past it was very specific, 1:45:12.200 --> 1:45:15.600 very few circumstances in which non seniors could play in 1:45:15.640 --> 1:45:19.479 these games. Yeah, that's gone now, and I think what 1:45:19.520 --> 1:45:21.240 the league's trying to do is encourage some of the 1:45:21.320 --> 1:45:24.040 top prospects to not stay in college, which is an 1:45:24.080 --> 1:45:26.640 easier decision now with the NIL and things like that. 1:45:28.840 --> 1:45:32.120 I have mixed feelings about this, even because on one hand, 1:45:32.200 --> 1:45:35.400 I think there are guys that come out as juniors. 1:45:35.400 --> 1:45:37.120 And by the way, there's sixty nine juniors that entered 1:45:37.120 --> 1:45:40.479 the draft last year out of four hundred something players, 1:45:40.920 --> 1:45:44.639 so you're not talking about that many players relatively speaking. 1:45:44.800 --> 1:45:47.559 But these are going to be elite prospects. These are 1:45:47.640 --> 1:45:50.200 not Day three fringe draft pick guys. You come out 1:45:50.200 --> 1:45:52.840 as a junior, you're probably a pretty good player. You're 1:45:52.880 --> 1:45:56.160 probably going in the top two hundred. On one hand, 1:45:56.720 --> 1:45:58.200 we're now going to get to see these guys in 1:45:58.280 --> 1:46:00.439 that competitive format, which is value. But when it comes 1:46:00.439 --> 1:46:03.679 to evaluating prospects, and I like that. On the other hand, 1:46:04.160 --> 1:46:07.519 that's now more players that are available. So does it 1:46:07.600 --> 1:46:11.439 push some of those fringe draft guys? Tomoro Douglas a 1:46:11.479 --> 1:46:14.840 perfect example, does to Mario Douglas get the invite if 1:46:14.880 --> 1:46:18.920 there were you know, seventy something juniors between the Senior 1:46:18.960 --> 1:46:21.599 Bowl and Shrine Bowl that were available. Does it push 1:46:21.680 --> 1:46:24.400 some smaller school guys, a guy like Marte Mapu? Does 1:46:24.439 --> 1:46:27.479 it push them out of the pictures? So again I'm 1:46:27.560 --> 1:46:31.280 torn on it. Ultimately, I would like to see more 1:46:31.320 --> 1:46:33.519 of those fringe guys, more of the seniors that are 1:46:34.080 --> 1:46:37.280 you know I got Yeah, a guy like a guy 1:46:37.360 --> 1:46:39.960 like brock Perty is a great example. He wasn't an 1:46:40.000 --> 1:46:42.679 elite prospect, but he ended up making the cut because 1:46:42.680 --> 1:46:44.559 there weren't that many quarterbacks in that draft. He goes 1:46:44.560 --> 1:46:46.040 to the Shrine Bowl, it was a big deal. Yeah, 1:46:46.760 --> 1:46:49.240 So I'm mixed on it. I think it's definitely gonna 1:46:49.240 --> 1:46:51.280 be good for certain players, and it might be good 1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:53.760 for the draft. I just think it gets rid of 1:46:53.840 --> 1:46:56.640 some of those fun, more underdog stories that I know 1:46:56.760 --> 1:46:58.840 you're not as interested as the draft that I love 1:46:59.280 --> 1:46:59.840 in the draft. 1:47:00.400 --> 1:47:02.519 No, I'm actually with you on this, believe it or not, 1:47:02.640 --> 1:47:04.519 because of some of the guys that you just mentioned, 1:47:04.560 --> 1:47:07.360 like a Pop Douglas. Yeah, and I'm interested. You know, 1:47:07.800 --> 1:47:10.800 I'll probably reach out and then when I get back 1:47:10.880 --> 1:47:14.560 to Galco about this, like how do you how do 1:47:14.640 --> 1:47:17.920 you keep the Pop Douglasses of the world safe, right, 1:47:18.240 --> 1:47:20.479 how do you like, how are those guys still involved 1:47:20.520 --> 1:47:23.840 in the game, Because to me, in our experience last 1:47:23.920 --> 1:47:26.120 year at the Shrine Bowl is so great because we 1:47:27.600 --> 1:47:28.800 how do I phrase it. I don't want to say 1:47:28.840 --> 1:47:30.680 we found Pop Douglas because that's not the right way 1:47:30.760 --> 1:47:32.000 to say it, but you know what I'm trying. 1:47:32.160 --> 1:47:34.280 So if you go on if you go on NFL 1:47:34.360 --> 1:47:36.760 mock Draft database dot com and it tracks it's a 1:47:36.800 --> 1:47:39.040 website that basically tracks the stock of all the players 1:47:39.080 --> 1:47:43.600 in the draft. Pop Douglas's stock spikes the week that 1:47:43.760 --> 1:47:45.200 we were at the Shrine Bowl. And there were not 1:47:45.320 --> 1:47:47.599 that many media members covering the Shrine Bowl the way 1:47:47.640 --> 1:47:49.280 we were covering it, just say it. It was all 1:47:49.280 --> 1:47:52.400 about right, we we didn't discover him as a prospect, 1:47:52.640 --> 1:47:55.160 like GMS knew about him, right, We were the first 1:47:55.320 --> 1:47:57.479 media people talking about Pop Douglas. 1:47:57.800 --> 1:48:00.760 Yeah, so Pop Douglas like those types of guys to 1:48:00.840 --> 1:48:03.240 meet the Shrine Bowl. And I'm fingers crossed, but I 1:48:03.320 --> 1:48:05.240 think I'm safe in saying that we're probably gonna be 1:48:05.280 --> 1:48:06.599 able to go to the Senior Bowl this year. 1:48:06.680 --> 1:48:06.880 Yeah. 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:10.400 With the Senior Bowl, Like, that's what it is for me. 1:48:10.560 --> 1:48:12.840 I know who Drake may is right, like, I know 1:48:12.960 --> 1:48:16.640 who the top prospects in the draft art who are 1:48:17.000 --> 1:48:18.920 the guys that on day two, day three? 1:48:19.280 --> 1:48:19.720 Right that? 1:48:19.880 --> 1:48:21.680 I like that. I want to you know, see more 1:48:21.760 --> 1:48:24.000 of that. I want to watch, you know, study their film, 1:48:24.080 --> 1:48:24.680 like who are you? 1:48:25.920 --> 1:48:26.800 The draft is great? 1:48:26.880 --> 1:48:29.320 Yeah, well it's just you know, like it's it. Day 1:48:29.360 --> 1:48:32.360 three matters too, right, like punchers and kickers. Uh So 1:48:33.080 --> 1:48:35.600 at some point you have to let those guys have 1:48:35.720 --> 1:48:37.840 their moment and like now, like you said, if the 1:48:37.960 --> 1:48:40.800 roster is being filled up with uh you know, those 1:48:40.920 --> 1:48:44.440 top guys, Yeah, it's probably better for like the marketability 1:48:44.520 --> 1:48:47.000 of the game, and it's probably better for some of 1:48:47.080 --> 1:48:50.160 those players. But at the same time, I do worry 1:48:50.200 --> 1:48:52.800 about you know, another perfect example to so not to 1:48:52.920 --> 1:48:56.400 just keep using Pop Douglas, Pooka and Nikua. Yeah, like 1:48:56.960 --> 1:49:00.000 Kua went down to Mobile and had an unbelievable scene 1:49:00.040 --> 1:49:02.680 in your Bowl week and now here we are with 1:49:02.760 --> 1:49:05.759 Puka Nakua in Los Angeles. So those are the types 1:49:05.760 --> 1:49:08.640 of guys that you worry about, you know, slipping through 1:49:08.680 --> 1:49:09.880 the cracks now even more. 1:49:10.360 --> 1:49:14.160 But I think they're giving Kyle Duggar coming from D 1:49:14.280 --> 1:49:15.880 two and getting the experience, and. 1:49:15.960 --> 1:49:17.599 He call strange for that matter too. 1:49:17.680 --> 1:49:20.679 Yeah, well, Dugger was projected to be a top fifty pick, 1:49:20.800 --> 1:49:22.880 but you didn't know. You didn't see him against that 1:49:23.000 --> 1:49:25.080 level of competition until you got to the Senior Bowl. 1:49:25.280 --> 1:49:27.360 I'll give you two reasons for optimism, though, I think 1:49:27.400 --> 1:49:30.960 that we'll be okay. One, you are seeing more of 1:49:31.040 --> 1:49:34.040 the top top prospects, like you mentioned Drake May, those 1:49:34.560 --> 1:49:38.040 first round, top fifteen locks. More of those guys are 1:49:38.040 --> 1:49:40.719 now opting out of the games altogether, right and saying 1:49:40.920 --> 1:49:42.640 if I go, I'm only gonna hurt my stock, or 1:49:42.680 --> 1:49:44.519 I could get hurt. I'm staying home, So that opens 1:49:44.600 --> 1:49:47.680 up some spots. Also, the NFL allowing it doesn't mean 1:49:47.720 --> 1:49:50.000 it's gonna happen. Jim Naggy could sit there and say, no, 1:49:50.120 --> 1:49:52.200 it's the Senior Bowl, not running juniors. What are you 1:49:52.240 --> 1:49:52.679 talking about? 1:49:52.880 --> 1:49:53.000 Right? 1:49:53.120 --> 1:49:55.000 Eric Galaco could say, no, this is what this game 1:49:55.080 --> 1:49:56.960 is about. I want to make sure that I have 1:49:57.120 --> 1:49:59.880 enough small school prospects, so we'll see how the games 1:50:00.000 --> 1:50:02.000 themselves handle it. But the NFL's opening the door, and 1:50:02.040 --> 1:50:04.200 I thought that was really quick. And then they're they're 1:50:04.240 --> 1:50:06.320 gonna run me off the stage here. Yeah, I'm staying 1:50:06.360 --> 1:50:08.240 on the stage, but they're gonna kick us off the air. 1:50:08.360 --> 1:50:11.519 Yeah. The one thing that I think is also interesting 1:50:11.640 --> 1:50:14.200 that I saw was that this could potentially open the 1:50:14.240 --> 1:50:16.479 door for more of these all star games. 1:50:16.920 --> 1:50:18.320 So like, okay, so there's that too. 1:50:18.439 --> 1:50:20.760 Yeah, if the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Bowl become 1:50:20.920 --> 1:50:23.639 just like real all Star games where we're just talking 1:50:23.680 --> 1:50:27.040 about like really good prospects, then maybe there's a chance 1:50:27.120 --> 1:50:29.760 that we could have like different you know, four or 1:50:29.800 --> 1:50:32.200 five six of these you know in the future, which 1:50:32.240 --> 1:50:34.040 for people like God so like, would be awesome. 1:50:34.120 --> 1:50:36.920 You know, make a Junior Bowl, make an Underclassman Bowl. 1:50:37.400 --> 1:50:37.760 There you go. 1:50:38.160 --> 1:50:41.439 I was I wondered for so I always wonder how 1:50:41.479 --> 1:50:43.439 they get the underclassman fault. I thought it would be 1:50:43.520 --> 1:50:45.360 just making another bowl, not this. But anyway, right, we 1:50:45.400 --> 1:50:47.400 got to wrap it up. I could see Faith, who's 1:50:47.439 --> 1:50:49.240 been producing for us. It's like standing at the board 1:50:49.280 --> 1:50:51.479 ready to go take us off the air. So we'll 1:50:51.520 --> 1:50:54.360 be back next week's same time, same place, back on video, Evan. 1:50:54.400 --> 1:50:57.280 We'll be back from Germany. But in the meantime, Patriots 1:50:57.360 --> 1:51:00.840 Unfiltered coming up next. Frevlozara Malex Part Thanks listen I'll 1:51:00.880 --> 1:51:02.240 talk to you next week. Evan, We'll talk to you 1:51:02.280 --> 1:51:03.320 about ten minutes. 1:51:16.960 --> 1:51:19.800 We play and everywhere else you listen. 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