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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bart and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it?

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Speaker 1: He joined as always by our.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr. Whoever is is

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Speaker 2: gonna have an easier time than the guy right now?

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Speaker 1: Shocker, right, you can make it easier on the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I thought, well, no, that's a dirty thing. Don't you

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Speaker 1: dare say you should get the quarterback out? No, because

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Speaker 1: that means he's not good. He should do all this.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into a brand new Catch twenty two. Alex Bart

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Speaker 2: in the host chair today because Evan Lazar is in

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Speaker 2: Germany as the Patriots get ready to take on the

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Speaker 2: Colts on Sunday. Evan made the trip out. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's on the show, but I'm in the host chair

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Speaker 2: because I'm the one that's patch Land.

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Speaker 1: Here I am. I'm here.

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Speaker 2: Evan is in deutsch Land. Is it guten tog guten dog?

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Speaker 2: That's good morning? Right?

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Speaker 1: No, Morgan is good morning, but here it's guten tog

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Speaker 1: because it's four o'clock in the afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So what is guten tog? Is that like good afternood afternoon?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Guten morgan, guten tog Yes, probably as much

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Speaker 2: German as I'm gonna try to speak. We'll see if

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Speaker 2: Evan can slip any end, but we're gonna I've.

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Speaker 1: Learned a little bit out here, and you gotta gotta

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Speaker 1: survive these streets, you know what I'm saying. So you

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Speaker 1: got to you gotta go out there and learn a

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Speaker 2: So I got some words for you we can drop

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Speaker 2: if have you been able to order food? That to

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Speaker 2: me is like the big one. I remember I went

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Speaker 2: to Quebec, and I was so proud of myself when

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Speaker 2: I ordered a sandwich completely in French. I probably butchered it,

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Speaker 2: like I didn't get what I wanted, but the transaction happened.

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Speaker 2: So that to me is the big test. Have you

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Speaker 2: ordered food in Germany?

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Speaker 3: Yet?

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Speaker 1: I have ordered food? I honestly, a lot of people

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Speaker 1: speak English over here, most people. That's not what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I know you can order food speaking English. I've seen

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Speaker 2: you do that. I would hope you can do that.

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Speaker 2: Have you ordered food speaking German?

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Speaker 1: No? I haven't, but you're right, I should try. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll try for dinner tonight.

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Speaker 2: See can you do that once by the end of

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Speaker 2: the trip and let us know how.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I can pull it off. Maybe.

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Speaker 2: So Evan is in Germany, you're at Is it Patriots House?

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Speaker 2: You guys have like to set up there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're I'm in Patriots House h a us

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Speaker 1: cool because you know, Alex like people call from Europe

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Speaker 1: we do Unfiltered after this, and we have a whole

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Speaker 1: it's been a great couple of days here. Honestly. The

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Speaker 1: I'd say, But I had never been I've never been

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Speaker 1: and I have never been like a head in time wise,

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Speaker 1: It's very, very weird to wake up here and it's

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Speaker 1: But there's a ton of Patriots fans here even with this,

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Speaker 1: I think what it's like really, you know, Saturday before

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Speaker 2: I gotta say it so Tamara Brown just tweet out

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Speaker 2: we can get to the football. I'm just curious. So

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Speaker 1: So we've we've drone past it, and then obviously some

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Speaker 1: So there there. We have been to the stadium, are

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Speaker 1: But we've we've seen it and it it's impressive stadium.

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Speaker 1: I think what's cool about the stadium is it's kind

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Speaker 2: Wait, it's good. It's got one of those big scoreboards too.

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Speaker 2: I saw that, which I know last week punters were

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Speaker 2: it's it's time now we get into as we usually

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen game. Also, you want to call in talk

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Speaker 2: email web radio at Patriots dot com. We'll get into

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Speaker 2: the game a little bit. We'll get into the Colts

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Speaker 2: game ahead, Evan. There was also some big pre draft

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Speaker 2: So we'll touch on that a little bit at the

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Speaker 2: Patriots Commander's game from last week, a close game, I

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Speaker 2: guess we'll just start there. A close game against what

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Speaker 2: felt like to evenly match teams, but the Patriots came

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Speaker 2: up short. Is that sort of your read on it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I thought that was exactly what it was. And

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Speaker 1: to this game in Germany, it just seemed like, Look,

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Speaker 1: slowly gotten to this point to where there are a

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Speaker 1: I felt like last year even winning eight and like,

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Speaker 1: of crazy that that team managed to win eight games? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were still able to win these games like this

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Speaker 1: of that has just fallen by the wayside, it feels

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Speaker 1: like with this team, and that's where I'm at with them.

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Speaker 1: I think we talked so much on this show about

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Speaker 1: start to think about are they well coached from a

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Speaker 2: I would actually say in terms of coaching, one thing

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Speaker 2: that stood at as a positive in this game, and

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Speaker 2: but I'll kind of spoil one of mine here was

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Speaker 2: the offensive line. In just that they were down Trent Brown,

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Speaker 2: even after trading away two of their best pass rushers,

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Speaker 2: still has a very formidable defensive front. Yeah, they did

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Speaker 2: but that felt like the only massive breakdown. There were

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Speaker 2: the blips here and there, but to hold up the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. He needs to prove or whether he plays

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Speaker 2: that would be or he says something else, parenthese'son day

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Speaker 2: two QB.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's that's these are the either or

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Speaker 1: scenarios that you and I are going to be talking

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Speaker 1: about for the next six months. Right, it's just the

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Speaker 1: chicken or is at the egg, and that's what they're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to decide. I would lean towards if you

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Speaker 1: really don't feel like Mac is your quarterback, you have

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Speaker 1: to take a quarterback. Yeah, you have to take a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And I think the one thing that we're we we

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Speaker 1: should keep in mind is that they're projected right now

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Speaker 1: depending on who you believe or who you trust with

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Speaker 1: the salary cap space, let's just call it between seventy

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Speaker 1: five and one hundred million dollars in cap space. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of that is because they have guys that

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Speaker 1: are free agents and they don't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: big money players, and that speaks to the talent and

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Speaker 1: it's a bigger picture issue in some senses. But they

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Speaker 1: have seventy five to one hundred million dollars in cap space,

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Speaker 1: and there are some free agent playmakers, free agent receivers

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Speaker 1: that are gonna be available. And I know people will say, well,

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Speaker 1: they did that with Agalore, they did that with Born.

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Speaker 1: It didn't really move the needle. But let's say you

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Speaker 1: know a guy that I'm excited to watch on Sunday

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Speaker 1: when I know we're gonna get into the Colts a

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Speaker 1: little bit at the end. But Michael Pittman Junior, who

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Speaker 1: I think is a really talented player, and I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to see him in person and see how he moves

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Speaker 1: on the field this weekend. I would assume that the

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Speaker 1: Colts with a young quarterback, are gonna want to keep

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Speaker 1: their thousand yard receiver who's to only twenty six years old.

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Speaker 1: You would think that that's a player that Indy is

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Speaker 1: going to prioritize. But let's just say that somebody like

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Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Junior or somebody like T Higgins reaches free agency.

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Speaker 1: If you use that first round pick on a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you can still pay one of those guys in free

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Speaker 1: agency and pair him with the young quarterback. So it

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to necessarily be either or you just have

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Speaker 1: to use all the resources at your disposal. And if

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Speaker 1: I'm the Patriots right now, if I had to make

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Speaker 1: that decision, and I'm curious to see how you feel.

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Speaker 1: But if I had to make that decison today, was

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Speaker 1: it November ninth, Yeah, I would say to draft the

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Speaker 1: quarterback and put all of your eggs in like T Higgins, right,

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Speaker 1: just try to put everything in towards an offer with

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Speaker 1: T Higgins. I know people are gonna say, well, why

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Speaker 1: would T Higgins want to come here? If you pay

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Speaker 1: him twenty five million dollars and it's more money than

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Speaker 1: anybody else offered, he'll come right, right, Why did Matthew

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Speaker 1: Judon come here? Like, let's face it. And so I

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Speaker 1: think that if you you know, that's what I would

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Speaker 1: personally do at this present moment. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I can be swayed. I've made up my

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Speaker 1: mind for now on Mac, but I can be swayed

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Speaker 1: back on the other side.

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Speaker 2: So I would say, and I've said this before, if

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Speaker 2: you believe if they weren't a spot to draft Mayor Williams,

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Speaker 2: even if that means trading up a couple of picks,

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Speaker 2: if you believe one of those guys is the guy

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Speaker 2: is gonna be your quarterback for the next fifteen years,

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Speaker 2: agot I who up and get him? If not, let's

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Speaker 2: say they love and it's funny. Last time we did

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Speaker 2: this seven in twenty twenty one. I think this was

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Speaker 2: your take and I hated it. And maybe it's because

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Speaker 2: it's a different class. I like this class better than

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Speaker 2: I liked the twenty one class, at least after the

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Speaker 2: first round. Let's say they really like Jayde Daniels, or

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Speaker 2: they really like JJ McCarthy, one of these guys that's

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Speaker 2: probably gonna go early in the second round. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: because you still have Mac on his rookie contract. I

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Speaker 2: would not be opposed to them taking Joe Alt, Marvin

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Speaker 2: Harrison Junior, whoever in the first round, Jayde Daniels in

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Speaker 2: the second, and then Mack essentially becomes the bridge guy, right,

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Speaker 2: and you work with it, and then you have a

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Speaker 2: year with Jayden Daniels and then if Jane Daniels isn't

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Speaker 2: the guy, well you're probably gonna be picking in the

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Speaker 2: top ten again next year. And then you go draft

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Speaker 2: the guy in the first round. Uh yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: it's the Jalen Hurts mind right exactly exactly. Or to

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Speaker 2: go further back, honestly, it's what the Carolina Panthers did

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Speaker 2: in twenty ten. They drafted Jimmy Clawson in the second

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Speaker 2: or third round. They had I can't remember who the

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Speaker 2: veteran was, but they had a veteran and they drafted

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Classon in the second and third round. He fell

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Speaker 2: a little bit, and they basically were like, all right,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna see if Jimy Crosson is starting quarterback. Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Clawson wasn't. And then the next year they took Cam

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Speaker 2: at the top of the track and it would kind

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Speaker 2: of be that thing where you're hoping you do it

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Speaker 2: ends up being the Jalen Hurts thing. And then if

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Speaker 2: the guy you're taking the second round turns out he

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Speaker 2: can't play, all right, now you go get the first

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Speaker 2: round of next year, and then you're pairing that guy,

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Speaker 2: whether it be Drew Aller, whether it be Sitt or Sanders,

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Speaker 2: you're pairing that guy with either Joe Walt or Marvin Heyres.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, you know I've only watched you know, passing

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Speaker 1: ly the most of these quarterbacks in college for right now.

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Speaker 1: But Jayden Daniels doesn't treat me based off of what

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Speaker 1: i've he shut him he shut recently. I think the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing with just a general and I know I've

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Speaker 1: said to you, said this to you off air a

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Speaker 1: couple times. What worries me all the time about these

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Speaker 1: young quarterbacks in college is that so many of them

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Speaker 1: are playing playground football, and it's maybe some of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen all the three pointers in basketball

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Speaker 1: because of Steph Curry, right. I do think that there

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Speaker 1: is a Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen type of effect to this.

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Speaker 1: We're now creating out of structure. Is what become the

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Speaker 1: it thing to do, the hit thing to do, is

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Speaker 1: become to run around and make these ridiculous off platform throws.

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Speaker 1: And Caleb Williams and what I saw from Penix in

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Speaker 1: that that USC Washington game, those two guys do that

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Speaker 1: both at a really high level. What I want to

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Speaker 1: see is can you create from in the pocket instructure

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Speaker 1: quarterback and you know, throw accurately in the pocket, make yourself,

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Speaker 1: you know, manage the pocket, which is something that I

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Speaker 1: don't think we've seen Mac Jones do a good job of,

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Speaker 1: especially this year. Is you're sometimes you are going to

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Speaker 1: be throwing from a phone booth that that's that's the NFL.

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Speaker 1: So can you throw with arm strength and you know,

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Speaker 1: get the all the throws out there that you need

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Speaker 1: to get out there from a muddied pocket? Can you

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Speaker 1: make reads? Obviously is you know a huge one of course,

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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels to me in that last game that they

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Speaker 1: that that I watched for LSU, blanking on who they're playing.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Alabam Alabama made so many great throws from

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Speaker 1: the pocket, and and that is intriguing. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that those other guys can't do it. I just I'm

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Speaker 1: concerned about guys thinking that it's just easy to emulate

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Speaker 1: Mahomes in the league and just coming in and thinking, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: if Mahomes does it, then everybody can do that now,

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Speaker 1: when in reality, there there is a chance that it's

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Speaker 1: one of one, right, like that only one guy can

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Speaker 1: play second reaction playground football like that and throw from

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Speaker 1: all these weird arm angles and off platform and you

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Speaker 1: know we always talk about like the Mahomes shortstop throws

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. There's a chance that maybe he's

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Speaker 1: the only guy that can do that on the planet.

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Speaker 1: And I worry about other guys trying to emulate that

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Speaker 1: and then recognizing oh what now and and are you

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Speaker 1: going to be able to have that fallback? I think

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Speaker 1: that's the one thing with Mac is like he's gotten

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Speaker 1: punched in the mouth and he hasn't really adjusted. So

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Speaker 1: how these guys younger guys are able to handle adversity

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Speaker 1: is going to be big two and I would with

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Speaker 1: you on that.

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Speaker 2: And we've seen guys come in the league and try

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Speaker 2: to do the the Mahomes thing and it kind of

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Speaker 2: blow up on them. I mean, you look at Zach Wilson.

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Speaker 2: I think that pick was predicated on, Hey, he's going

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Speaker 2: to be our our Patrick Mahomes. He's going to be

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Speaker 2: our Josh Allen, and then he wasn't. Yeah, so all right,

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Speaker 2: let's let's take a call and then we can get

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Speaker 2: back in at Patriots commanders a little bit. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to Matthew kind of all over the place here, but

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Speaker 2: that's what happens when I host. Let's go to Matthew

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Speaker 2: in New Mexico. Matthew, Hey, guys, how's it going. Hey?

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Speaker 4: First off, I want to say I listened to all

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Speaker 4: the Patriots shows and this show is by far the

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Speaker 4: best one.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that by.

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Speaker 5: Far, tell you guys that.

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Speaker 4: But my question is, like we've seen like Will Levis

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Speaker 4: and like c J. Stroud, So I guess, going off

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Speaker 4: of Alex take with like Drake may do we really

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Speaker 4: want to start him? Like, what would you guys do?

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Speaker 4: Would you guys let him fit for a few games

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Speaker 4: and see, especially with the offensive line and with offensive line,

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Speaker 4: is it like realistic to rebuild, Like if we get

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Speaker 4: a a new quarterback, is it really realistic to rebuild

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Speaker 4: this offensive line? In my more and off season, and

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Speaker 4: my next question is, like we hear all this stuff

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Speaker 4: with Bill and like that, like if you guys had

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Speaker 4: to put a percentage on it, Let's say, worst case

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Speaker 4: scenario in Germany with a cold, what percentage is like

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Speaker 4: could Bill get fired this week?

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Speaker 5: And that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's it for me, guys, Thank you very much, thanks

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Speaker 2: to call Matthew. The first one was he asking already

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Speaker 2: how to manage Drake May on the Patriots if they

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Speaker 2: get him. That's a little down the road. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to that when we get to it. I think the

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Speaker 2: second question he asked there was really interesting. How quick

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Speaker 2: can you turn the offensive line around, especially if that

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Speaker 2: first round pick, we'll just say, goes elsewhere, whether it's

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Speaker 2: a quarterback, whether it's a receiver, whether it's a safety,

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Speaker 2: which by the way, I wouldn't rule out, especially if

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Speaker 2: it's a ends up being a little lower in five.

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Speaker 2: If it's closer to the ten to fifteen range. If

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Speaker 2: they win some games here, how quickly can you turn

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Speaker 2: around this offensive line? And I think there's a couple

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Speaker 2: of variables here. First off, Mike go wenhu. Did you

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Speaker 2: catch Evan? Oh, you weren't here yesterday?

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 2: You saw Bill's presser, right, I did. He was asked

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Speaker 2: if the team is comfortable with Mike o wn who

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Speaker 2: playing right tackle long term, and he said yes. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that long term He took that

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Speaker 2: as this year or for his career, but in the past,

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Speaker 2: the Patriots had made it clear they believed his long

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Speaker 2: term place was a right guard. Yeah, maybe that's changed

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Speaker 2: because here's the thing with the offensive line and Evan.

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Speaker 2: I've said this before it adding a tackle is a

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Speaker 2: massive undertaking. Yeah, adding a legitimate starting tackle, you're talking

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Speaker 2: about a premium mass. So that's a first round pick

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Speaker 2: that's probably odds are one of the biggest contracts in

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Speaker 2: free agency. You're gonna talk about one of the highest

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Speaker 2: paid players league wide, and frequency to add a true

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Speaker 2: starting caliber tackle, you need to do that twice in

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Speaker 2: an offseason. I don't know about that. That's a lot.

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Speaker 2: But if Mike go and win, if they're comfortable with

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Speaker 2: him as a right tackle and they pay him and

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Speaker 2: they keep him. Okay, that's one box checked. The interior

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Speaker 2: should be fine. They shouldn't have to touch the interior.

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Speaker 2: They used three top one fifty picks on interior offensive

648
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Speaker 2: lineman last year, and then a first round pick on

649
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: an offensive lineman on an interior offensive lineman in the

650
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: year before that. So now you're just talking about left

651
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: tackle and just Trent end up coming back as he

652
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: often does. Is that where Joe Alt comes into the conversation.

653
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: Olufashanu maybe a Day two guy that you think has

654
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: a high seat as a high floor. Maybe there's other

655
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: free agent tackles. Like all of a sudden, now the

656
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: offensive line is very manageable to fix. If you're gonna

657
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: play Mike on Win would right tackle and pay them

658
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: the interior set, you just have to add that left tackle,

659
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: which is not easy, but it's just one thing. If

660
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna let Mike go on Win, who go, Well,

661
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: now you need to add a right tackle tackle and

662
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 2: depending on what they do with City, so you might

663
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: need to add depth on the interior as well. Now

664
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: it's become this whole other thing. So they can turn

665
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: it around quickly, but it becomes what do they think

666
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: of Mike go and when who positionally and are they

667
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: willing to pay him?

668
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way I look at it, and I think

669
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: that in terms of paying him, and obviously you have

670
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: to decide which position he's gonna play, that's gonna set

671
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: his market to an extent. But I still look at

672
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: paying Mike Who as.

673
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: Well, I think his market set. If he's gonna pay

674
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: right play right tackle the rest of the season, I

675
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: think his markets set at right tackle, and that's a

676
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: real estate.

677
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: As at least as an elite guard that can kick outside,

678
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: which is going to add to his value. So he's

679
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: gonna make maybe a little bit more than what a

680
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: premium guard would make just because of that flexibility. But

681
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: I think the main thing is I still think that

682
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: whether you view him as a guard or a tackle,

683
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: to me as a as a moot point, Mike on

684
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: win Who should be a Patriot next year and long

685
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: term period. Like they need to get out of the

686
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: business of just letting talent walk out the door. Whether

687
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: whether he's a guarter or tackle is irrelevant. They have

688
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: to keep him in the building. They have to make

689
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: him a priority and they have to keep him around,

690
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: and then you decide, maybe you probably with Mike Onwen

691
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: who as a joint kind of decision, where are we

692
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: going to play you permanently? But I go back to

693
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: and I really still believe that this to be the case.

694
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: Letting Joe Tooney walk was a mistake. It was a

695
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: mistake like that. He's probably gonna be a first team

696
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: All Pro for the Kansas City Chiefs this year. Yeah,

697
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: there's an argument that he is the best guard in

698
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I think that, Well, I don't know,

699
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: have you how much of the Colts have you watched

700
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: real quick? Or I assume you've like caught up on them, right? Yeah, yeah,

701
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: I watched a bunch Because Quentin Nelson.

702
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: Is not the best guard in football anymore? Is that

703
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: kind of I've heard people said it, but I realized

704
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: this week. I don't know what happened to that guy.

705
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's like a shell of himself.

706
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, Tangent continue, We'll get to that.

707
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: Tuney is such a great player, and when you have

708
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: no matter where the protection is coming from, it's always

709
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: a bonus to have better offensive line play. Yes, And

710
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: I just think that that was a misstep. And I

711
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: know a lot of people look at it and say, well,

712
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: they got themselves tied up in money and guards and

713
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: that was a mistake. No, what was a mistake was

714
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: paying both guards. It wasn't a mistake if you just

715
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: pay one of them, but you can't. It's hard to

716
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: have a roster constructed in some ways if both your

717
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: guards are making ten plus million dollars a year, like

718
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: it would have been with Shaq Mason and Joe Toney.

719
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: But now that you know whether he's a guard or

720
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: a tackle, if you're talking about having Cold Strange on

721
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: a rookie contract, David Andrews on a manageable contract and

722
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: City so as your other guard on a rookie contract,

723
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: then you can pay Mike on winning.

724
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: Especially if one of your tackles will also probably be

725
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: on a rookie contract.

726
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's the difficult part, is filling that

727
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: other tackle spot, because if you look at the tackles

728
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: and free agency, it's not a good class of free

729
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: agent tackles. Like we said last year, and not to

730
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: tuote our own horns, last year was the year to

731
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: get a tackle in free agency, and they didn't do it,

732
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: so this isn't a great class of free agent tackles.

733
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: I would actually say that if he plays well down

734
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: the stretch and stays out of his own way, that

735
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: Trent Brown is one of the best available free agent

736
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: tackles for the twenty twenty four class. So if you're

737
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: using that draft pick on the quarterback and you're not

738
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: using it on a first round tackle, I don't know

739
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: if they can fix all of it in one offseason.

740
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: It is I guess the long winded, you know, the

741
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: short way of saying all that. So maybe it is, Well,

742
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: it is.

743
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: I'll say this, it is another good tackle class. I

744
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: think if they go tackle in the top fifty, if

745
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 2: they take a tackle in the second round or trade

746
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: back up into the late first there's guys like Patrick Paul,

747
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: guys like Amarus Mims, Jordan Morgan who you might be

748
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: able to make it work.

749
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

750
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: But your point like, they're not fixing it through free agency,

751
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: They're not getting an established player.

752
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if they might not be able to fix

753
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: it all in one offseason. But I I know that

754
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: people and myself included, don't want this team to have

755
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: to rely on guys like Trent Brown, who is unreliable

756
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: in terms of just all of it. You know, his

757
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: buy in, his effort. Sometimes he's just is what he is.

758
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that this is why Scar

759
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: and him were such a good pair in eighteen. You

760
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: gotta coach him hard, you gotta get it out of him,

761
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: You got hit, get him motivated, whether it's financially motivated

762
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: or motivated by winning or whatever. And but one more

763
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: year of Trent Brown, as you kind of use him

764
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: as a bridged transition to some younger guys at that spot,

765
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: isn't the worst case scenario.

766
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 2: So there's some people in the in the YouTube comments

767
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: right now kind of talking about the offensive line situation

768
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: as a whole. You know, Dante Scarnakia leaving and the

769
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: impact that had recently. And again I said it earlier,

770
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 2: I thought Adrian Clem did a good job the last

771
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. The offensive line was bad to start

772
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: the season. I think that goes beyond Clem. I mean

773
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: they were just so banged up. As we kind of

774
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: hit this interesting bought with him. And again, if you

775
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: missed it, Adrian Clem is going to be away from

776
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: the team. Bill Belichick called it for a little while

777
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: with a health issue, and we hope the best for him.

778
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 2: Of course, what have you thought of the job Clem

779
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 2: has done? And how big you know, we don't often

780
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: talk about coaches as a loss, but in a season

781
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: where it seems like everybody on the team has been

782
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: on the injury report at some point, even now, the

783
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: coaches are what have you thought of the job Clem

784
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: has done? And how big of a loss is he?

785
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: On a game to game basis here?

786
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: Well, well, you know, and people that are regular listeners

787
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: to the show, I know how critical I was of

788
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: him in the beginning of the season. I mean the

789
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: line play that they put out of the first let's

790
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: call it six weeks, but really the first you know,

791
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: I'd say four or five games, Yeah, it was deplorable.

792
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean that was not NFL caliber across the board,

793
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: and guys are playing with bad fundamentals, bad pad level,

794
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: bad hand placement, like just bad football from the offensive line.

795
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: It has been better. It has been better, And I

796
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: know a lot of that lines up with the fact

797
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: that Mike gon Wendy was now playing tackle and he's

798
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of settled things down. I'll give Clem some credit

799
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: because cityso I think has developed a little bit here.

800
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: He He's definitely a lot better with some of the

801
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: movements and things up front that he gets from opposing

802
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: defensive lines, like stunts, picks, the twists, blitzes like that

803
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. He's been a lot better at that,

804
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: and they've coached him up on a lot of those things.

805
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: So I give them credit for that. And I actually thought,

806
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: and he's not in my ups, but I thought about it. Yeah,

807
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: I think Cole Strange played an okay game last week.

808
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: There was some pressures allowed that I didn't love. I

809
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: had him down with three, but it wasn't egregious, especially

810
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: in that matchup. And he also made some really really

811
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: good blocks, especially in the run game, like his block

812
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: on Vermondre Stevenson's sixty four yard touchdown was a really

813
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: underrated block that made that play work. So I was intrigued.

814
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: I guess is the word from cole Strange that this

815
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: was a better game for him. So I'll give Clem

816
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: some flowers, but I think they can they'll be all

817
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: right on the line, you know, with with uh Billyates. Yeah,

818
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: because Yeates, you know, has been in the room all

819
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: season long. It's gonna be the same program like you would.

820
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: You would think that they would be able to figure

821
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: it out for the next couple of weeks. But I

822
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: will we'll see how much he really does matter. You know,

823
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: if they come out on Sunday against the Colts that

824
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: have a good front and you know DeForest Buckner, those

825
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: guys come out and absolutely are you know, Max under siege,

826
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: then maybe you do give a little bit of credit

827
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: to to Clem and what he's been able to do.

828
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: All right, you want to join us, you want to

829
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: talk patch with us? Eight five five pats five hundred

830
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: eight five five seven two eight seven five hundred. But

831
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: let's go that. That leads us right into ups and downs. Evan,

832
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: And honestly, my first up was Adrian Clem in the

833
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: offensive line. Not the best offensive line game that's ever

834
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: been played. But I think we talked about this in

835
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: the offseason. The one guy this team could not afford

836
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 2: to lose was Trent Brown and kind of the ripple

837
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 2: effect that comes with playing without him. And I thought,

838
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: all that considered, against the opponent they were playing, you

839
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: got a pretty good game from the offensive line.

840
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the offensive line was solid in this game.

841
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: I had Mike on when who wasn't up on an

842
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: individual level, Mike on when who allowed one quarterback hit

843
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: in this game? And it was it was pretty late

844
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: in the game. And it seems like every game against

845
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: Miami he led up to sack eight in the game

846
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: that there's one rep a game in pass pro that

847
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: he gets beat. And if that's what all that's happening

848
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: for your right tackle, like, that's a pretty good good

849
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: day at the office. I mean, well, the film that

850
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: he's been able to put out there at tackle over

851
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 1: the last three weeks after really only playing exclusively at guard.

852
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: And I had asked him about this in the locker

853
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: room before we came out here, about what he did

854
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: to Yeah, it's pretty incredible that he's been this good

855
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: at tackle, just kind of flipped the switch over there

856
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: for the offensive line. And he said that in the

857
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: offseason he was doing some tackle training, just thinking in

858
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: the back of his head like this could happen, right,

859
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: so let's work on some sets and some things like that,

860
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: like I'm playing tackle just to be ready. And it's

861
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: been remarkable how easily he's just transitioned outside to tackle

862
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: and how natural he looks at that spot. And it

863
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: does make a big difference having him in the run

864
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: game because whether it's a double team block with City

865
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: so or he's kicking out the edge defender, that becomes

866
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: a lot more space there now because he's they have

867
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: an impact run blocker at that spot as well. So

868
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: he's been exceptional at tackle to the point where if

869
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm his agent and I'm looking at next offseason, you

870
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. I'm saying, I'm putting the tackle

871
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: film out there, say you know this guy's a tackle,

872
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: you better pay him like it. He was exceptional in

873
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: this game, and I think he's honestly been tremendous since

874
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: moving out there.

875
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: So he was one of my ups I'm petitioning if

876
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: I'm his agent. NFL dot com has owned Win, who

877
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: listed as a guard. The Patriots just haven't listed as

878
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: an offensive lineman as they do with I think it's

879
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: just David Andrews is the only one who's listed as

880
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: a center. I think everybody else is just listened ol.

881
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: NFL dot com has Mike when Winn, who listed as

882
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 2: a guard. If I'm his agent, I'm call whoever runs

883
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: the NFL website and saying, hey, can we get you

884
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: know the team website listen as an offensive lineman. Can

885
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: we get those two lined up there? Because that might

886
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 2: help the old Remember Jimmy Graham when the Saints franchise

887
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: tagged him and he was trying to get franchise tags

888
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: as a receiver, not a tight end. And it went

889
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: to court and a big part of the deciding factor

890
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: was it said in his Twitter bio New Orleans Saints

891
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: tight end. Yeah, And they were like, well you advertise

892
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: sales tight anyway, I just find that story funny. Any

893
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: chance bringing up another up for me? And it's another

894
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: kind of group one. I'll we'll get to the downs.

895
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: The Patriots defense did not play well in this game.

896
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: There were two glaring exceptions to that. To Von godcha

897
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 2: On Christian Barmore, they were both awesome. It's not just

898
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: they were like everybody else was bad and they were fine.

899
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: They were both really good in this game. Devon Godchaw

900
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: in that second quarter he had he helped on the

901
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: forced fumble which he then recovered. He holds the backup

902
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: for Jelani to Via to punch the ball out and

903
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: then god Chaw himself recover. But there was also he

904
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 2: read a screen really well. At one point took away

905
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: the window. There are a couple other times he just

906
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: got pressure on Sam how I thought Devon gotchaw. This

907
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: might have been his best game of the year. And

908
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: Christian Barmore just dominated again. He was pushing offensive lineman back.

909
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: Two more pass breakups for him at the line of

910
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: scrimmage after those two guys. Again, there's nobody really behind

911
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: him capitalizing on what they were doing. But I thought

912
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,959
Speaker 2: those two guys in particular, and for Barmore, it stands

913
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: out because he's put together, you know, four or five

914
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,479
Speaker 2: of these now. I thought the two defensive tackles played

915
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: incredibly well.

916
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had Barmore as my number one up in

917
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: this okame he is, he's in Fuego Alex. Yeah, he's

918
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: on an absolute heater the last month of the season.

919
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: You can make a case that Christian Barmore has been

920
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: the best defensive tackle in football. I mean, he's been

921
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: that good. I had eight quarterback pressures in this game,

922
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: added two bad passes as well. I thought that there

923
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: were some good reps against the run. He didn't have

924
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: as many stuffs in this game as he's had the

925
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. But he was doing his thing

926
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: in the two gap and all that kind of stuff.

927
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: The pressure on the quarterback, he is a problem. I mean,

928
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: he's not only getting some of those you know threat

929
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: in the edge like he did in Miami on that sack,

930
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: but he's also going through guys too and creating penetration

931
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: to allow others to you know, wrap around it on

932
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: those stunts that they like to run on the interior.

933
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: Mac Wilson had three pressures in this game. All three

934
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: of them were just wrapping around Christian Barmore. You know,

935
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: just Barmore is getting the guy that's getting the interior

936
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: penetration and push and it's just opening up all this stuff.

937
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: He is playing like we really thought he was going

938
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: to play after his rookie season, Like this was the

939
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: hope was that he was going to play at this level.

940
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: He's another guy that I think you have to start

941
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: talking about as an extension candidate in the offseason, as

942
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 1: someone that you want to build around on the defensive front.

943
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: He was exceptional again in this game. Like I mentioned,

944
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: with eight quarterback pressures, that was a game high. It's

945
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: as high as the season as well. He's got as

946
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: many quarterback pressures as pretty much any defensive lineman, you know,

947
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman taking out the sub you know, the

948
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: edge rushers or the pass rush linebackers and stuff like that.

949
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: You just look at defensive linemen you know, d tackles,

950
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: dns that have played their hand in the dirt. He's

951
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: second in the league right now over the last month

952
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: and quarterback pressures among that group. So he's definitely doing

953
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: his thing and it's great to see him do that

954
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: after last year, which I think we can now determine

955
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: that was injuries just not just a bad year for him.

956
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: And you know, now we see the potential again and

957
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: hopefully that arrow keeps pointing upward. But I have him

958
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: with four games in a row. Now, I went back

959
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: and looked where he was my number one up four

960
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: in a row.

961
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, that's a guy. When we get to

962
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: the offseason we do the next group of extensions, I

963
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: think that there'll be a lot of talk about mac

964
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: Jones contract in the fifth year option. But from that class,

965
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: I mean, who are you pounding the table for an

966
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: extension for. It's got to be Christian Barmore. I mean,

967
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: that's the guy I think you resign him. You re

968
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: signed dugger. They have Juwan Bentley Boom. You have established

969
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: players at all three levels now and that's your core

970
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: defensively essentially, and that's the group you're building around. It's

971
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: not a bad group to be. And then you have

972
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: Christian Zalez at corner as well on his rookie contract.

973
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: I should bring him into this. That's a good defensive corps.

974
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: That's a solid defensive core. And then maybe you get

975
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: Anthony Jennings back on a team friendly deal because he

976
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: you know, he's had a good year and that might

977
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: be a guy that's I think there's a chance he

978
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: comes back here because there's probably more playing time from

979
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: here than there is in most other defenses. You go out,

980
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: you get a free safety and you're in good shape.

981
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, Christian Barmore, very very exciting player right now.

982
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: My third up, Ermandre Stevenson. I looked a little slow

983
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: to start the year, but you saw it on the

984
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: big run. He's got his burst back. There are a

985
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 2: couple other times too, you know, catching passes in the flat.

986
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: I know he had a drop, but I thought overall

987
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: this was an encouraging game for him.

988
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, the big run like you said, was the burst. Yeah, Now,

989
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: he hadn't been really seeing at times the beginning of

990
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: the year. It's amazing when you open up some space

991
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: for him, though, what he's gonna be able to write

992
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: to Uh, So that that definitely happened. I like the

993
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, I broke it down this scheme on that

994
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: play to have Gasiki run a route from the slot

995
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: really pulled the defender out of the fit and that

996
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: kind of opened up an entire lane along with some

997
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: good blocks. I mentioned Strange's block City so obviously had

998
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: a nice block on that play, you know, just a

999
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: base block. Andrews picked up the blitz and you have

1000
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: riger As much as if we're gonna talk about Rager

1001
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: in a second, I think, uh, he did take a

1002
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: great block on the Ribandre run, So that that was

1003
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: that was encouraging to see the burst and the breakaway speed.

1004
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: You mentioned the past game stuff. I thought he was

1005
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: so much better in this game getting out of the backfield.

1006
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the games, uh this season,

1007
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: he's taken too long to make himself available to the quarterback.

1008
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: He's either dancing or he's trying to make too many

1009
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: moves to get open at the top of the route

1010
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: or just kind of just taking his time, sweet time

1011
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: getting out of the backfud and you're watching the tape,

1012
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: you're just like get you know, run right, get out

1013
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: of there and make yourself available to the quarterback. This

1014
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: offense needs that. I know that some people kind of

1015
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: scoff at the idea of, you know, a third down

1016
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: back and how important it might actually be. I think

1017
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: that this team definitely needs it, and if Remandre it

1018
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: can be a matchup weapon against linebackers like he was

1019
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: last week. It was pretty clear. I know they mentioned

1020
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: after the game Mac did that Emanuel Forbes was on

1021
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: their target list and that didn't end up going so

1022
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: well for them, but I think it was It was

1023
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: really clear that Jermaine Davis, the linebacker for the Commanders,

1024
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: if they got Remandre one on one against Jermaine Davis,

1025
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: they were taking that matchup and he was winning it

1026
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: on Sunday. He should have had the wheel round too,

1027
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: and if you would have that in there, then we're

1028
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: talking about a huge, huge day production wise. So I

1029
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: thought he was really really good in this game as well.

1030
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 2: Again, you want to chat with us eight five to

1031
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: five Pats five hundred is the number. We'll get you

1032
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 2: right on because I'm in on the phones today not

1033
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: having eight. Who's your third up?

1034
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: I had? Those are my three where.

1035
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeamandre and Mike. Yeah, all right, so we can get

1036
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: into the downs now. And my first down, I guess

1037
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: because you see, I don't do mine in order, like

1038
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: I know you rank yours. I just kind of pick

1039
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: three my first down from this game. Again, it's another

1040
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: one where I'm combining players Jalen Rager and Taekwon Thornton.

1041
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: There was a real chance for somebody to emerge as

1042
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: that third wide receiver between Juju Smith, Schuster, Jamaario Douglas,

1043
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: those are gonna be your one and two, right and

1044
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: Kayshun Boody's taken out of the picture before the game,

1045
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: and we can get to that. But Rager like he

1046
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: dropped the pass. Besides that, I thought he was fine.

1047
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: He had the block with I hold it against unless, Like,

1048
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 2: there's a reason he's on his third team in four years.

1049
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: There's a reason he was available. There's a reason he's

1050
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: a recent first round pick that's struggling to get playing

1051
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: time on a two win team. You kind of expected that,

1052
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying it's a good play. It doesn't

1053
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: excuse it for me. It's Taekwon Thornton. This was a

1054
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: real missed opportunity because he hasn't been able to get

1055
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: on the field, not just because of injuries, but he's

1056
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: been buried behind this depth chart going back to the

1057
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: summer when he was healthy. Remember he got demoted to

1058
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: that second unit in training camp. Well, here you go.

1059
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: They have to play you, they have to put you

1060
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: on the field. Mac Jones is trying to give him opportunities.

1061
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: There's four targets in the first twelve snaps. Now one

1062
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: of them was a bad miss by Mac, and Thornton

1063
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: probably has a touchdown if Mac puts it on him.

1064
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: Thornton also could have gotten out of the break a

1065
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: little quicker, but that's on Mac. But after that, I

1066
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: mean there's clear miscommunications. He runs a bad route on

1067
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: a third down right in front of Bill Belichick. He

1068
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: watched the replay. You could see Bill Belichick's reaction in

1069
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: real time, and then he doesn't play again. Played twelve snaps,

1070
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: had four targets in the first quarter, and called first

1071
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: eighteen minutes of the game. I think it was eleven

1072
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: to twenty four in the second quarter was the time

1073
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: on the clock on that last snap, and then didn't

1074
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 2: play again, and Bill Belichick said after the game he

1075
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: was healthy, he was available. He was removed from the

1076
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 2: injury report this week. So that was as good of

1077
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: a chance as he was gonna have, I think, to

1078
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: establish himself and be that second round pick and be

1079
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: that speed threat that he was drafted to be. And

1080
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: even with Mac Jones missed a side on that fourth down,

1081
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: clearly there was something in there that the team saw

1082
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: that they were like, we can't put this guy on

1083
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 2: the field with no other options. We're gonna go in

1084
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: twelve heavy and throw Mike Kasiki out there. I think

1085
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: it was like seventy percent of the time. Yeah, they

1086
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: did that over putting Taekwon on the field, and I

1087
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: think that's a major missed opportunity for him.

1088
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree. I had Taekwon as well,

1089
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: and I also loved him together with Kalen Rager. But

1090
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: I think your point is valid that Rager, it's not

1091
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: on Riger that he's not the guy you saw.

1092
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: Like if you told me, all right, Jalen Riger is

1093
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: gonna go out there, He's gonna set a big block,

1094
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: he's gonna catch a quickslane, he's gonna drop the pass.

1095
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: I'd be like, all right, yeah, that's about right.

1096
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah right. So I think it's a little not harsh

1097
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: to put Rager in the downs because he probably deserves

1098
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: to be there. But it's just not it's blaming the

1099
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: wrong guy.

1100
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: It's it's different degree. There's different degrees to it. Like

1101
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: you have to mention the drop in this conversation because

1102
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: it happened, it was a story, it changed the game.

1103
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: You can't ignore that. But it rank how you know,

1104
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: how emphatically you're putting them on there. On a scale

1105
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: of one to ten, the degree to which Taekwon Thornton

1106
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: is down is greater than the degree to which Jalen Raigers.

1107
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I couldn't agree more when I when I look

1108
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: at Taekwon, I do think there is something to be said.

1109
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: And I'm not sitting here telling you that if they

1110
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: had him running a different rout tree that he would

1111
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: be at a thousand yard receiver and be this, you know,

1112
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: all pro level player or anything like that. But it

1113
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: is interesting to me that I feel like, especially at

1114
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: the intermediate level, they have him trying to run these

1115
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: pretty advanced routes, like the route that he ran on

1116
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: fourth down, which was an okay route. I mean, I

1117
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: agree with you that maybe he was a little bit

1118
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 1: slow getting out of the break, but he got open.

1119
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: That's the bottom of line.

1120
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he was open. He yeah, yeah, he got open.

1121
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: That round me mention him at the top of the

1122
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: route was just me being a mac apologist.

1123
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: Now, no, no, and I agree with you that it wasn't.

1124
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a great route. Yeah, But

1125
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: the bottom line is is that that's a pretty like

1126
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: nuanced route, right, you know you're talking about it's it's

1127
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: essentially a post corner. You know, he's faking that he's

1128
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: going to break in on a post and then he

1129
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: breaks out on the corner. They sometimes call it an

1130
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: inverted over where they're like faking a crosser and then

1131
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: breaking out on the corner. But either way, you're you're

1132
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: talking about routes that some of their more dynamic route

1133
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: runners and and high advanced route runners over the years.

1134
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: Edelman Jakobe meers like that, that's the route that a

1135
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: lot of those guys ran a ton and I just

1136
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: I look at Taekwon and he should be running he

1137
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: should be running wind sprints that that that's the bottom line,

1138
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: Like he should be running verticals all over the field,

1139
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: whether it's a cross deep, cross post, go ball whatever.

1140
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: And some of the time with him, he's not going

1141
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: to get the ball. That it's the bottom line, Like

1142
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be a high volume guy in that role.

1143
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna be clearing out a lot of space for others.

1144
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: And I think what type where Taekwon can almost help

1145
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: himself the most and to get on the field at

1146
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: least over Jalen Rager, which is just a jump that

1147
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: this guy can't play over Jalen Rager is sometimes I

1148
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: see with him on the tape that he doesn't always

1149
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: run the route hard if he knows he's not in

1150
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: the progression. And that's the type of thing that the

1151
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: coaches are gonna are gonna hate. That's gonna drive them nuts.

1152
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: Like you, even though you're not necessarily in the progression

1153
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: for the quarterback as an option in the play, your

1154
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: role on the play is really important. So if you're

1155
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: not running that route and you're not taking that safety

1156
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: or you're not clearing out that sideline for the routes

1157
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: to fill in then the play, the whole play doesn't

1158
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: work even if the ball is not coming your direction.

1159
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: So he's gotta be cleaner in those types of areas

1160
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: to the point where he's just you put him out

1161
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: there just to be Jalen Rager, right, like, just run

1162
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: the verticals and if the ball comes your way, try

1163
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: to make a play. But it's probably only going to

1164
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: come your way a couple times a game. And that's

1165
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: where we're out with Taekwon. But his his just overall

1166
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: focus on the field is a problem. Like his route,

1167
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: the way that he understands, like his role in the play,

1168
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: it's all all that type of mental stuff is an issue,

1169
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: and I think that that's something that is holding him back,

1170
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: maybe more than anything else. And why every time we

1171
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: talk to O'Brien about about Taekwon, he's mentioning, you know,

1172
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: he's been hurt and he hasn't doesn't have the reps, right,

1173
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have the reps. And that tells you right then

1174
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: and there that he's making mental errors on the field,

1175
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what's happening. So I do I think

1176
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: that physically he would be this incredible player, No, of

1177
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: course not. But I think that he could be useful

1178
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: for them because of the speed, if he was able

1179
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: to show the coaches that he could do some of

1180
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: those little things a little bit better that he hasn't

1181
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: been doing so frustrating player. I mean we I was

1182
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: skeptical to pick at the time just because of the

1183
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: type of player that he was. But even if you

1184
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: just give them the benefit of the doubt that they

1185
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: saw him as somebody that was gonna be a real

1186
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: field stretcher for them and impact the game that way

1187
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: without necessarily impacting the game at a high volume targets wise,

1188
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: it just Dad hasn't even come to fruition either, So

1189
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: all of it is just a mess with him right now.

1190
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: We also have to remember he was drafted to play

1191
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: in a different offense than the one he's playing it.

1192
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 2: On top of that, because they drafted him.

1193
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: I have to that's another benefit of the doubt thing, right,

1194
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: like you have to.

1195
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 2: No, it's not a ben for the doubt thing. I'm saying,

1196
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: like they they I think that's they drafted him for

1197
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: an offense that was never gonna work.

1198
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess my benefit of the doubt point is

1199
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: more if that was the if they drafted him to

1200
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: play more of like a Shanahan offense.

1201
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was the plan, And he.

1202
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: Was supposed to be the guy that was running the

1203
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: deep post and just occupying players down the fields that

1204
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 1: they could open up the throws underneath that Shanahan's tree

1205
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: loves the incuts, the crossers, things like that. Then then

1206
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: I understand the vision a little bit more, I suppose.

1207
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 1: But I think that's giving them a lot of almost

1208
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: credit at this point at that position because we've seen

1209
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: them fail in so many different ways at the top

1210
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: of the draft that with taking receivers that I can't

1211
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: necessarily chuck it all up to that, Like I feel

1212
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: like they are evaluation of players at the wide receiver

1213
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: position is a too spotty in the draft to just say, oh, well,

1214
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: if he was in the Shanahan offense, he would be

1215
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: a different player. And I know that's not what you're saying.

1216
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: I'm just right. I think that that's just a really

1217
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: a point that I find, like, all right, well, you

1218
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: drafted two guys at the receiver position in the top

1219
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: fifty in the last five years and both of them

1220
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: can't play.

1221
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: While we're on the receivers, what are your thoughts on

1222
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: Kaishan Boody in that old situation.

1223
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: So I really do wonder what's going on with Kaishan

1224
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: Boody because to me, there's no way that I can

1225
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: really think of that they didn't have him, like he

1226
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna play at all, like that was the plan

1227
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: the whole week, right, Like I guess that is what

1228
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1229
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 2: So do you buy the theory that? Because he talked

1230
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: to us on Friday and he said something like, you know,

1231
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: I've been playing some weeks, but my numbers being called

1232
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: and I need to be ready to go. Do you

1233
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: buy the theory that the coaching staff was basically upset

1234
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: that he said that, and this was that no, no, no,

1235
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: you don't decide and you're gonna play. We decided and

1236
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna play.

1237
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: It's as good of a theory as any. I don't

1238
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: know if I'm I can say I'd buy into any

1239
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: theory because I don't know, but it's just hard to

1240
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: fathom anything else happening.

1241
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: So I have one other go ahead, and then I

1242
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: have one other.

1243
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just look at and I'm not putting him

1244
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: in the same category as the two corners as J. C.

1245
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: Jackson and Jack Jones, which we can talk about, yeah,

1246
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: if you want. I'm not putting him in that category.

1247
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he did something like that. But at

1248
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: the same time, when you have other guys that are

1249
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: doing that in this locker room now because of the

1250
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: state of the team and the record and all that stuff,

1251
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: and I'm not making excuses for those guys. I'm just saying,

1252
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: this is what happens on bad football teams. Guys check out,

1253
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: Guys prioritize other things. They stopped really caring. And that's

1254
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: just some guys are just wired that way. And with Booty,

1255
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: you have to wonder if that's permeating the whole locker

1256
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: room a little bit, and there was something extracurricular or

1257
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: something different that wasn't just football that kept him off

1258
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: the field, because it's so hard to imagine that they

1259
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: all week long, that was the buzz, that was the

1260
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: build up. He was talking about it. Belichick says, he

1261
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: has the best week of practice in since being a Patriot,

1262
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: and then he's inactive in the game on Sunday, like

1263
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: there's That's the only explanation is that something else happened.

1264
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: So the one other thing I looked at and I

1265
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: don't know, may even get into it in the Samantics.

1266
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: So the whole reason we got all excited about Kishon

1267
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: Buoti last week, on top of the injuries and the

1268
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: fact that, like they numbers wise, it looked like he

1269
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: was gonna have to play, was Bill Belichick's comments on

1270
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: Friday saying he had his best week of practice of

1271
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: the year. At no point did he say it was

1272
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: a good week of practice and was it something that

1273
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: was just hey, like his best right now still isn't

1274
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: good enough, and we just misinterpreted it and ran it's

1275
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: the only other thing I can think of. Yeah, and

1276
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 2: that that in itself doesn't make a ton of sense either.

1277
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: But I just think with him with Kayshawn Booty, I

1278
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: get why he didn't play earlier in the year. And

1279
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: this goes back to something we talked about going all

1280
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: the way back to the spring. His skill set is

1281
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 2: very similar to Kendrick Bourne's, and is their room to

1282
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: have both of them on the field at the same time,

1283
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: plus Juju and Juju there's some overlap with him too.

1284
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: But when Kendrick Bourne became their best receiver and became

1285
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: the guy that wasn't coming off the fields. Yeah, there

1286
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: really wasn't a lot of room for kash On Boody

1287
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: to play. Now that Kendrick Bourne's hurt, that changes. And

1288
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: the other thing is Kishun Booty is a little bit

1289
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: of a project player. I'm not saying that I'm upset

1290
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: they're not playing him because oh they're leaving like eight

1291
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: catches in one hundred yards and two touchdowns a game

1292
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: on the batch. That's not what I'm saying, And I

1293
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: think it's being misinterpreted that way at times for the

1294
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,959
Speaker 2: people who are like, why isn't this guy on the field,

1295
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: It's more we don't know what he is, but it

1296
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: would be nice to find out. And when you're a

1297
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: contending team, you don't necessarily the most valuable reps, like

1298
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: players grow in practice and players can learn in practice

1299
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 2: the most valuable reps to develop a player or game reps.

1300
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: But when you're a contending team, you can't put unknown

1301
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: players on the field. You're trying to win football games.

1302
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: They're in a spot right now between the injuries and

1303
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: the record where put Kayshaun Booty out there and see

1304
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: what he can do. And if you're worried he's not ready,

1305
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: putting him into an NFL game, is gonna be a

1306
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: great way to maybe drag him along. If they just

1307
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: think he's at the point where he's never gonna be ready,

1308
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: then why is he on the roster. That would be

1309
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: my point, either develop him or move on, and right

1310
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: now they're not doing either. He's just kind of in

1311
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: this limbo. So that's why, like last week, to me especially,

1312
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: is so weird because Kendric Born's hurt. Now they're at

1313
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: two and six. At that point, what do you have

1314
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: to lose by putting him out there? I understood it

1315
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: earlier in the year. I think they're at a point

1316
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 2: now where going into the offseason, I don't know that

1317
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna come out and show you that he's the

1318
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: one one right. I don't know that you're gonna get

1319
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: let's say he plays from here on out. I don't

1320
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 2: know that he's gonna play at a level where you're like,

1321
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: all right, they don't need draft Marvin Harrison Junior anymore.

1322
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's gonna be that guy. But

1323
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: can he prove that he can be a capable third

1324
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: wide receiver, because they you look at the guys they

1325
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: have Kendric Born's contract is up, and even if he

1326
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: comes back coming off the torn ACL, he's an unknown

1327
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 2: Parker and Juju haven't hit. Rager's an unexpiring deal. But

1328
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: how much you're counting on him anyway, it's really just

1329
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas is the only guy under contract next year

1330
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: that you're counting on at the wide receiver position. So

1331
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: you add bodies. It's not just adding Marvin Harrison Junior.

1332
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: It's not just adding t Higgins. They're gonna have to

1333
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: add a couple of players. If Kayshaun Boody goes out there,

1334
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, this guy's like a capable third, fourth

1335
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 2: wide receiver. It's not groundbreaking, it doesn't necessarily change the landscape,

1336
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: but that's one less guy you got to add. That's

1337
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: you know what, would you pay a third wide receiver

1338
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: five million, six million dollars a year. That's five or

1339
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: six million dollars you can now allocate elsewhere. It's a

1340
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 2: roster spot you can now allocate elsewhere. So just finding

1341
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: out what he can do, I think would be the thing.

1342
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's totally where I'm at with it too. I

1343
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: one hundred percent agree with you that so many people

1344
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: respond I'm sure to me they do. To me, I'm

1345
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: speaking for myself, but I'm sure they'll be the same

1346
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: thing with you where they're like, you know, why do

1347
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: you guys think that Kashan Booty is this like diamond

1348
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: in the rough or this guy that they're just keeping

1349
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: this guy off the off the field that's gonna you know,

1350
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: a thousand yard receiver and they're not playing him. That's

1351
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: not what we're saying where we just want to evaluate

1352
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: Kaishan Boody in a game, like we just want to

1353
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: see what it looks like in a game. Because of

1354
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: your point, exactly, what if Kashan Boody is good enough

1355
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: to be a number three receiver and now you know

1356
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: that you have a number three receiver, but what if

1357
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: Kaishon Boody is good enough to be a number four receiver,

1358
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: like just somebody on the roster that can contribute to

1359
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: a team. Then you have him, you have Pop Douglas,

1360
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: like you have some guys that are tertiary or complimentary weapons.

1361
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: We know that this team needs number one receivers. We

1362
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: know that they need a T. Higgins or they need

1363
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: a Marvin Harrison junior. We know they need a guy

1364
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: a dude, We know that, but they also have to

1365
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: field an eleven guys on offense, right, So if Pop

1366
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: Douglas and Kaishaan Boody can be good two and a

1367
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: good number two and a good number three like now,

1368
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: you have the bones of just dropping in these missing

1369
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: pieces and having something offensively. And that's the big thing

1370
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: with Kaishan Boody. It's not that we all think that

1371
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna break out and be this superstar player for them,

1372
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: it's just can he be an NFL player for them

1373
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: moving forward? Is a big deal in the in the

1374
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's not the big big deal like getting

1375
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 1: that number one guy, but it's not a moot point either,

1376
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: like that that still matters to this team. And you mentioned,

1377
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: you know his role, and we've both been talking about

1378
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: this that he's really ideally more of that like Z's

1379
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: slot inside outside type of guy, not a permanent, you

1380
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: know X type of player like he was playing in

1381
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: Week one against Philly. So even if you give them

1382
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: the benefit of doubt in that sense that Kendrick Bourne,

1383
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster, Pop Douglas are all also guys that

1384
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: are gonna play a lot of snaps inside. So there's

1385
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: not enough snaps to go around. At that point, you

1386
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: say that, no Kendrick Bourne anymore. Juju Smith Schuster played

1387
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: twenty three snaps in this game on Sunday, thirty six

1388
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps, so he didn't even really have

1389
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: a huge role either. So at some point you have

1390
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: to look at it and say, you know, it wouldn't

1391
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: have heard to give Kaishawn Boody. You know the twelve

1392
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: reps can that Taekwon Thornton got in this game, right,

1393
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, he gave him the booty or give six

1394
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: to Booty and six to Thornton or whatever you want

1395
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: to talk about with divving them up. It wouldn't have

1396
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: hurt them at all. But I just their management of

1397
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: that position, whether it's the players they're picking, the way

1398
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: that they're utilizing those players, the way that they're utilizing,

1399
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 1: or just talking about who's inactive, who's active, who's playing

1400
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: in the game, all of it is. It has been terrible.

1401
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: It's been a mess. Like they're all over the place

1402
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: with that wide receiver position. And it's not just talent evaluation.

1403
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: They also are all over the place with how they

1404
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: play these guys, and they got to figure it out,

1405
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: and I've been saying it for a long time now

1406
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: about Troy Brown, Like Troy Brown is on my radar

1407
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: as somebody that was a great, great player here represents

1408
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: all the right things about the Patriots in the Patriot way.

1409
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: But I think it's more than fair to start being

1410
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: critical of Troy Brown the coach and what he's really

1411
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: capable of bringing to the table in terms of coaching

1412
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: these guys up. Because at that position it's been the

1413
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: same thing for a couple of years now. You know,

1414
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: poor route detail, poor spacing, poor timing with the quarterback

1415
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: at the receiver position. Guy's not developing. You know, the

1416
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: guy's not getting better at that spot that dad needs

1417
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: to improve. Like even a guy like Pop Douglass and

1418
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 1: we both really like and have like this whole time, Alex,

1419
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: he still makes the same mistakes every single week. And

1420
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: are the mistakes agreed so egregious that he should be

1421
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: pulled off the field. No, of course not, because the

1422
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: good stuff still outweighs the bad. But it's not like

1423
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: he's improving on any like, he's still making route running issues,

1424
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: he's still has spacing issues. So who's coaching him in

1425
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: those areas? Like who's helping him out with those things

1426
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,479
Speaker 1: that that definitely needs to be under fire.

1427
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, i'd agree with you on that. Trying got caught.

1428
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: Jayman outs to music in the background.

1429
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: Second, No, they're playing music behind me and it's it's

1430
01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: very very loud.

1431
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: Again, well it's in English. There's I was waiting for,

1432
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: like the German music.

1433
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: In English music for sure.

1434
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 2: All right, let's go, we'll make our way back through

1435
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: the downs here. We got two more, but let's go

1436
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 2: to Andrew and Boston.

1437
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: Andrew, Hey, what's going on?

1438
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 3: Hey, just wondering if do you think there might be

1439
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 3: some possibility that Jack Jones, Jacy Jackson and even maybe

1440
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 3: Kishon Moody were involved in any kind of like a

1441
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 3: scuffle or anything in practice if that caused what I

1442
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 3: was going with them anyway.

1443
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks to Andrew. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I

1444
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't think so. I think it was

1445
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 2: reported that Jackson and Jones mister curfew. So wait, that's

1446
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't think there'd be anything on top of that, right,

1447
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm reading too much into that.

1448
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with the J C. Jack some situation

1449
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: and also with Jack Jones. I don't necessarily think that

1450
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: we need to like litigate the actual details of what

1451
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: happened or what it means for this team right this second,

1452
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: right because let's face it, this team right this right

1453
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: now is finishing out the string for this season. Yeah,

1454
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 1: And so what it means in terms of all that,

1455
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think matters. I think what matters is

1456
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: just philosophically. They need to get to a point where

1457
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: they're not relying on these guys, these unreliable players anymore.

1458
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: And I think that they're relying on guys like j C. Jackson.

1459
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: Obviously they traded back for him at a desperation at

1460
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: that position, and they're relying on guys like j C.

1461
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: They're lying on guys like Jack Jones because they don't

1462
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent on this roster, and those

1463
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: guys have talent, and so they're the ones that are

1464
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 1: getting these opportunities with the Patriots now. And I'm not

1465
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: saying that they have to go in like draft only

1466
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: boy scouts and I'm not saying that, but they need

1467
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: to get players that they can rely on. That's an

1468
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: important thing, like maybe as almost as important in some

1469
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: respects as talent. It's guys that buy in and guys

1470
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,560
Speaker 1: that want to be here, and guys that want to

1471
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 1: play hard every week. And I think that this team

1472
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: has fallen into a trap of you know, desperation needing talent.

1473
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's an exact same category as

1474
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: the two corners, but I mentioned it with Trent Brown

1475
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, like they are so and we

1476
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: say it before, they're so reliant on Trent Brown and

1477
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: Trent Brown is an unreliable guy at times. So they

1478
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: have to get out of this rut of having a

1479
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: lot of guys on the roster who are in that category.

1480
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: And I would say that it starts with the cornerback

1481
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: position just because of what's going on right now and

1482
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: those two guys being kind of the poster child of

1483
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: this whole thing. But like next season, they need to

1484
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: get into a position where j C. Jackson and Jack

1485
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: Jones are not projected starters for this team because they

1486
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: can't be relied upon and such a big well.

1487
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 2: So that's where this is interesting for me. Like j C. Jackson,

1488
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: there's no more money on his contract, they can cut

1489
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 2: him there out from the cap hits all of it.

1490
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 2: He won't be back next year. Jack Jones is an

1491
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 2: interesting because we know they like him, or at least

1492
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: before this, we know they liked him, and it was

1493
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: clear what they were setting up Christians Alison. Jack Jones

1494
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 2: is your boundary corners with Marcus Jones on the slot

1495
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: and Jonathan Jones kind of as your floater, and that's

1496
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 2: what they wanted the secondary to be. And we talked

1497
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 2: about this a lot last offseason. They did not have

1498
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 2: enough size at that position, enough true boundary corners, and

1499
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 2: it hurt them. And Jack Jones is a guy that

1500
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 2: plays on the boundary. If he's not coming back, now

1501
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 2: you add corner to the list of needs, and maybe

1502
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 2: it's a guy like Isaiah Bolden coming back next year

1503
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 2: and performing. He obviously had a good summer before he

1504
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 2: got hurt and got placed on IR. But if you're

1505
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 2: gonna tell me Jack Jones isn' gonna start next year,

1506
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Okay. Cornerback is now up there on

1507
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 2: the list of need for the Patriots, and that's it's

1508
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: the list, and that list is growing and there's they

1509
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 2: have a lot of cap space, but there's only so

1510
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: much you can do in one offseason.

1511
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you that it does complicate things

1512
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: if you add corner, because I've been of the school

1513
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: of thought that their high end assets, their cap space,

1514
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: their top fifty picks, like those should all be going

1515
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: all of it should be going to offense. In my mind,

1516
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: like you had your defense draft last year, Bill, right,

1517
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: Like you've got the chance to draft all your defensive

1518
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: missing pieces last year. Now, if it's Christian Gonzales, it's

1519
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,839
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones back and kind of the you know, inside

1520
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: outside travel with those Z receiver types, if those are

1521
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: your two lynch pins in that group, and really all

1522
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: you're looking for is that elusive third corner that we

1523
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: keep talking about that I feel like they haven't had

1524
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: and what since like Jason mccorney or something like that,

1525
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: they haven't really had that reliable, stable third corner that

1526
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: is I think something that you could probably find in

1527
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: the middle rounds, Like I don't think you necessarily need

1528
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: to address that with this with a top fifty pick,

1529
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: Like you'll probably get that in the third or fourth round.

1530
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: You know, maybe a guy like Marcus Jones comes back

1531
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: and he's your nickel and John Jones still plays that

1532
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: kind of inside outside role. Gonzalez is obviously your number

1533
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: one boundary corner, and that's how it gets put together.

1534
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: I just think that in general, did Jack Jones thing.

1535
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: It's it's to me, it's over with Jack Jones, Like,

1536
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: not only did we know that he had all these

1537
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: concerns coming in the draft, with all this stuff in

1538
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: college that went on with him that made him a

1539
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: later round picked and he probably should have been just

1540
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: on talent alone. Do we all remember how his rookie

1541
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: season ended with the Patriots, right like they suspended him

1542
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: and shut him down, And now we have this thing

1543
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: with the curfew, like it's time to just cut bait.

1544
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: With Jack Jones, It's just not gonna work.

1545
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 2: Here, all right, Let's get back to Dopson down. So

1546
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 2: first down was receivers for both of us. Give my

1547
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,520
Speaker 2: second down, I actually have four. My second down is tacklings.

1548
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 2: It's been a problem the last three weeks. They were

1549
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 2: a good tackling team at the beginning of the year,

1550
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 2: but especially this week as we look ahead to the

1551
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 2: Colts team that runs hard, has good ball carriers, they

1552
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 2: just they need to be better tacklers, playing and similar.

1553
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 2: And it's one thing when it's guys in the secondary.

1554
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 2: But when we have John Bentley missing tiger, I just

1555
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 2: say corners, and we have Juwan Bentley missing tackles, and

1556
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: we have Kyle Dugger missing tackles, we have Adrian Phillips.

1557
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,839
Speaker 2: Those are guys that are supposed to be sure tacklers

1558
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 2: and they weren't last week.

1559
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, tackling is you know I had is just

1560
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: the entire secondary. But I think tackling is a fair

1561
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: way to put it, and that it was mostly those

1562
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: guys that were missing the tackles, right, So this is

1563
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 1: one of the worst secondary you know, the games for

1564
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: the secondary that I have seen the Patriots play since

1565
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: we started doing this out Like this was this was

1566
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: not professional. They were missing tackles, They're busting coverages left

1567
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: and right. They weren't overly competitive in coverage in this

1568
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: game in any way, shape or form, like whether they

1569
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: were busting the cover or they had their you know,

1570
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: they were tied together. They were just getting beat when

1571
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: they were tied together, so it didn't really make a

1572
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 1: difference one way or the other. You know, the big

1573
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: play to Pringle, like across the field throw that Sam

1574
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: Howell made, it's just a busted coverage they just don't

1575
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 1: have a flat defender in the zone, so there's just

1576
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: a wide open space for Pringle to just catch, like

1577
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: a ridiculous throw from Sam Howell that should never work

1578
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but it worked because there's just nobody

1579
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: over there on that side of the field. I don't remember,

1580
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, from just a fundamental standpoint, you know, knowing

1581
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: the coverage structure, you guys being in the right places,

1582
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: guys making tackles. I don't remember the Patriots defense in

1583
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 1: the back end ever looking this bad. This was a

1584
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: disaster game for all those guys. And I really don't

1585
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: think there are any sacred cows in that, Like, I

1586
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: don't think any of them played very well at all.

1587
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 1: And it was That's what I think one of the

1588
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: most frustrating things about this team and right now and

1589
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: about this record. If they they just were buttoned up

1590
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: with the details and the fundamentals and they didn't give

1591
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: up quarterback scrambles for twenty four yards on turning point.

1592
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to that.

1593
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they just made these types of plays, you know,

1594
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: they don't bust coverages, all that type of thing, like

1595
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: they'd be okay defensively, would they be this great defense, No,

1596
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: of course not, but they would be okay defensively, and

1597
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: they they just aren't doing those things, and that's why

1598
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: they're losing games like they this game. And I say

1599
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: at the beginning, like this game should have just been

1600
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: like one of those ho hum Patriots games that we've

1601
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: seen over the last couple of years where a who

1602
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: knows what Sam Howell type of quarterback comes in here

1603
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: and they just win the game twenty to seventeen because

1604
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: they're just but end up enough on the details that

1605
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: they get away with some mistakes. And that is just

1606
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: not this game at all. That's not how they play

1607
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: it at all, especially in the secondary.

1608
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of not being buttoned up on the details,

1609
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 2: my third down special teams it was bad.

1610
01:15:58,560 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: It was bad.

1611
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: So I'll say this. Chad Rowl and Bryce Berner were good.

1612
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 2: They were good in this game, bold beyond them. That

1613
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: was one of the worst special teams games I've seen

1614
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 2: the Patriots play. You had the the kickoff return off

1615
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 2: the off the jump, but late in the game, I

1616
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: to the mac Wilson penalty, and I know some people

1617
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 2: have looked at it and try to see it's the

1618
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 2: lineup off sides or not really in that situation, shouldn't

1619
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 2: even be close.

1620
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should not. It wasn't even a punk runch

1621
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: right like it sound like they are even trying to.

1622
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 2: Block it, right, don't give the ref the referees that

1623
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 2: window to call that that situation, all of it a

1624
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 2: bad penalty. And then Brendan's schooler with the whole as well,

1625
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 2: which was a little bit of a cell job. But again,

1626
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 2: don't put yourself in that situation. I cost Patriots significant

1627
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 2: field position. The mac Wilson penalty costs them timeouts, cost

1628
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 2: them time late in the game. Again, the details are

1629
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 2: just not there on special teams, which for a team

1630
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 2: that emphasizes special teams as much as they do and

1631
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 2: has some good special teams players. Again, I think the rookies,

1632
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 2: the Gigrin punter have been good this year. I know

1633
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 2: Ryland has some misses, but they're long, they're not chip

1634
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 2: shot kicks that he's missing. And Barringer shanked a couple

1635
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 2: of kicks early in the year, but he's been buttoned

1636
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 2: up since. I hope we get to seen hit the

1637
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 2: scoreboard this weekend in Germany. But the details aren't there.

1638
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 2: The whole thing with like, all right, well, Joe Judge

1639
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 2: is gonna go to special teams and get it back

1640
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 2: to what it was in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. We

1641
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 2: haven't seen that yet.

1642
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: No, No, And this I just think speaks to the

1643
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: bigger picture issues of this team of like if they're

1644
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: not buttoned up defensively and they don't just have this

1645
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: like sound defensive structure, and they're also making all these

1646
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: mistakes on special teams, like that's Bill Belichick, right, Like

1647
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: that's his bread and butter, right these two areas, And

1648
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: if the team isn't responding to the coaching in those

1649
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: two areas anymore, then that's a I don't know how

1650
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: you really look at it any other way in terms

1651
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: of all of the way that this has gone so

1652
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: far this season with Bill and the fact that those

1653
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: are the areas that are letting him down. Maybe the

1654
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: most outside of you know, obviously the passing game in

1655
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback like they had to have known coming into

1656
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: the season that their passing game wasn't gonna be this

1657
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: like top five dropback passing game, Like they weren't going

1658
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: to ever be Miami or Kansas City or one of

1659
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: these just great passing offenses, so they had to win

1660
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: in these other areas, and they're not even doing that

1661
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 1: right now, So that's really problematic. The special teams think

1662
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 1: they had opportunities at the end of this game to

1663
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: put the offense on some shorter fields and make it

1664
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: easier on the offense to you know, get that go

1665
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: ahead score or at least tie the game. And they'd

1666
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: started their last three drives inside their own ten yard line.

1667
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: And this offense is not going to drive ninety plus

1668
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: yards to win the game. It's just not. So you

1669
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: have to be able to win those field position things,

1670
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, the third down, third and two, right, they

1671
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 1: hit that little russing route over the middle of the

1672
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: off side and all that stuff like that. Those are

1673
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: the types of things that are just absolute killers for

1674
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: this team right now, because the field position, when you're

1675
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: trying to win on the margins, the field position is

1676
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: really important. Like that's how you're gonna win games is

1677
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: by doing those types of things, and they're not doing

1678
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 1: them right now.

1679
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 2: What's your third down?

1680
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: So I had the secondary, I had the two receivers

1681
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 1: Taekwon and Rager, and I had mac as down as well.

1682
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: In this game, We've already litigated Mac enough, but I

1683
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 1: just would say just to to button it up. You

1684
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: know the last thing. If I was Bill O'Brien, and

1685
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: I think that this has got to be what they're doing,

1686
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: Like you just got to come to him and just

1687
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: be like, look, slow down, right, like just relax a

1688
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: little bit. Like your protection has been a little bit better.

1689
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: You know, you're not gonna your receivers. We know what

1690
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:53,799
Speaker 1: you're working with, but just trust the play, trust the protection,

1691
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: and just go out there and play cammer like you're

1692
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: you're all sped up and you're you're letting yourself unravel.

1693
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: Like just calm down, settle your feet down, settle your

1694
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: eyes down, and just play football. And I think that's

1695
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 1: what they have to get to with mag I wonder

1696
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: with him, how much do you think, you know, is

1697
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: he maybe thinking about all these other factors, Like he

1698
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: gets asked after the game, and I know, you know,

1699
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: people that like to get all hot and bothered about

1700
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: these types of things talked about it on some other

1701
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: shows and things like that about the response to my

1702
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: Giardi's question about the lack of open receivers that he

1703
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: has to throw to. And I don't whether he agrees

1704
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 1: with the criticism or not. I'm more concerned about him

1705
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: believing the criticism, right, him sitting there saying, well, I

1706
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: just how am I supposed to do that? And then

1707
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: and then it becomes like this impossible task just to

1708
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: make throws even when they're there. And if you're Mac,

1709
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: you have to remove yourself from the narratives and just

1710
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 1: focus on what you can control and what you can

1711
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 1: do at your position and then see where it goes

1712
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: from there.

1713
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 2: So I, did you just do three ups three downs?

1714
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 2: You've done? Yes, Okay, so I'll say on that because

1715
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: I have one more down and I want to get

1716
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 2: into the colts. But I think it was it was

1717
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 2: the open to the mailbag this week, right that you

1718
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 2: wrote about Mac jaw So, Evan, I couldn't have nailed,

1719
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 2: couldn't hit the nail on the head anymore about Mac

1720
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 2: Jones standing with the team where the faults lie for

1721
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 2: how he's played for the offenses played. I thought, and

1722
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: I know some screen grabs of it we're going around

1723
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 2: on Twitter, but I thought Evan did a fantastic job

1724
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 2: on that. And you know I'm serious because I'm complimenting Evan.

1725
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 2: You're out, so I would encourage people after the day

1726
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 2: in history, I would encourage people after the show to

1727
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 2: go check that out. And and he knows him being

1728
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 2: sincere because I texted him about it. I think he

1729
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 2: did a fantastic job of that. I didn't read the

1730
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 2: rest of the mailback. I'll be honest, I forget I

1731
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 2: was going to and something happened. But I was so

1732
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 2: blown away by what you wrote about mac Jones and

1733
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 2: how well I think you dissected situation. I have one

1734
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: more down in Evan. This is gonna be a first

1735
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 2: ups and downs. It actually includes the Patriots opponent from

1736
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: the game. It includes both teams, the entire two minute

1737
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 2: drill at the end of the first half. Both ways,

1738
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 2: this was one of the worst sequences of football I

1739
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: have ever seen. So let's pick it up with one

1740
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 2: forty six to go in the second quarter. Paid Dietrich

1741
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 2: wise gets a sack. Good job, third and twenty three

1742
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 2: for the Commanders. You're thinking, all right, like maybe if

1743
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 2: they pick up like twenty here they get in a

1744
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 2: field goal range, Patriot's gonna get the ball back for

1745
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 2: like a minute and a half to go a couple

1746
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 2: of timeouts Instead, Sam Halle breaks three tackles of Adrian Phillips,

1747
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 2: Jalen Mills and Jack Jones, and gets a twenty four

1748
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: yard scramble on third and twenty three. Evan, I looked

1749
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 2: it up earlier this week. Yeah, in the last The

1750
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 2: data only goes back on Pro Football Reference to nineteen

1751
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 2: ninety four third and twenty threes converted, not on penalty.

1752
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 2: It's only happened seven times. Well, I guess eight, and

1753
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 2: only three of them I think we are on the ground, sorry,

1754
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 2: converted on the ground. It's only happened a handful of times.

1755
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 2: Tim Tebow had one, Patrick Mahomes had one. Doesn't happen

1756
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 2: a lot. So that was a breakdown and you think,

1757
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 2: oh boy, all right, here we go, and then boom.

1758
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 2: Sam Howe comes back. Next third down, hits Byron Pringle. First,

1759
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 2: he hits him down to the five yard line. It's

1760
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 2: a good tackle by Miles bryan is the only good

1761
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 2: play in the sequence. It's a good throw by how

1762
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: the Pringle to get down there, and Miles Bryant makes

1763
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 2: a good tackle to keep Pringle in bounds. So the

1764
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: clock is now running. The Commanders have all three timeouts,

1765
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 2: but the clock is running. Forty two seconds to goal

1766
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 2: first and goal from the five. So you think, all right, boom,

1767
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: you hit him with the timeout. Now you got forty seconds,

1768
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 2: two timeouts, five yards to go. It's all on the table.

1769
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: You can run the ball, you can throw the ball,

1770
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 2: even if you take a sack. You have options. So

1771
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the timeout and Washington's not calling one. Okay,

1772
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 2: so you're gonna hurry up to the line, right and

1773
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 2: then that way. You have all three timeouts and you're

1774
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 2: probably gonna get the ball off with like a little

1775
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 2: under thirty seconds to go. But you have all three timeouts.

1776
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 2: What's fine, you can run all four downs. No, they're

1777
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: taking their sweet time getting up to the line in

1778
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 2: what is a close game at the half, in what

1779
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 2: is a fourteen to ten game. So I'm like, all right,

1780
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 2: I guess they don't want to give the ball back

1781
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 2: to the Patriots with too much time. I don't know

1782
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 2: what about this Patriots offense makes them feel that way,

1783
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 2: but sure they finally snaffed the ball. There's twenty three

1784
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 2: seconds left. They burned twenty seconds of a crucial two

1785
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 2: minute drill, lollygaging their way to the line. They finally

1786
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 2: get the ball off. No, I don't think anybody knows

1787
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 2: what the play is, so in the twenty seconds they

1788
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 2: didn't bother to call a play. Sam Hall rolls out

1789
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 2: just instantly boots out to his right. Nobody's open. I'm thinking,

1790
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: all right, he's gonna throw the ball away. I guess

1791
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 2: it's a de facto time out. More time ran off

1792
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 2: the clock than they needed to, but they still have

1793
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 2: all three timeouts and still probably be able to run

1794
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 2: all four plays. Instead, he throws the ball directly to

1795
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker, and you had a team at one point

1796
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 2: third and twenty three back up, all right, Patrio's gonna

1797
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 2: get a shot at two minute drill. Patriots blow the

1798
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 2: third down. Then it's like, all right, the Commanders are

1799
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: gonna have a chance for points here. Neither team ends

1800
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 2: up with points, nor should they have. That was just

1801
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 2: what a sequence of football that was.

1802
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: It was. It was something yeah, I was. You know,

1803
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 1: we sit in the press box, you know where I sit.

1804
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: But I'll explain, like me and Fred and Paul and Duce,

1805
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: we all sit together at home games, which is always fun,

1806
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 1: and all of us are just like, oh my good,

1807
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: Like what a just bad football?

1808
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 2: Just burn the tape, and again it's both teams. It's

1809
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 2: the Patriots had a gaff and you're like, wow, this

1810
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,719
Speaker 2: could be like a game defining gaff. And the commanders

1811
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 2: came out and said, hang on a second here, you

1812
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 2: think you're gonna have the biggest gaff of this two

1813
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 2: minute drill? Watch this hold our beer. Yes, you blow

1814
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,560
Speaker 2: a tackle, You blow a tackle to not call the

1815
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 2: time out there? And then if Sam Hall throw the

1816
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 2: ball directly to Kyle Duggar, is just what you're doing,

1817
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 2: you know, just in general, not to like pile on

1818
01:25:59,360 --> 01:25:59,839
Speaker 2: the commanders.

1819
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: It's not, you know, a commander's show, but in general,

1820
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: I think that that's such a good point of just

1821
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: I really have to wonder if that situation for Sam

1822
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: Howell doesn't feel so rushed, right if he throws that

1823
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: pick right, like, because you're just at that point as

1824
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: a quarterback, like you're just thinking, like I'm running out

1825
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: of time in the half. I gotta like we gotta

1826
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 1: make something like you just get frastled, right, like it

1827
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: just it just snowballs on you from there and then

1828
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: you make a bad decision like that was really the

1829
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 1: only bad decision he made the entire day was that

1830
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: throw And so it just it just goes to show

1831
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 1: how young quarterbacks and that's another young quarterback is seting

1832
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: your guy that's really making his first couple of starts

1833
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: in the league. Like, it just goes to show how

1834
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 1: helpful it can be to just settle guys down and

1835
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: just give them time to breathe with over the course

1836
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 1: of a drive, over the course of a game. But yeah,

1837
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 1: you nailed it there when the uh that ending was

1838
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: was horrible. It was terrible.

1839
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 2: Go back and watch it if you want to laugh. Ye,

1840
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,560
Speaker 2: and it was both. Is just I don't know that

1841
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 2: there's anything I always say, like, what we learn from this?

1842
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 2: What can we learn from that? Your point about the

1843
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 2: young quarterback is good, but I don't know there's anything to.

1844
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: Learn from it.

1845
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny. I just wanted to bring

1846
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 2: it up. I enjoyed it.

1847
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 3: All.

1848
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 2: Right, let's go to Todd North Carolina and then we'll

1849
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 2: get to the Colts. Todd, how we do it today?

1850
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, I like the insights, but I just feel

1851
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 5: right now that this entire team is broken from the

1852
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 5: top down. Belichick looks like he doesn't want to be there,

1853
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 5: and he doesn't understand what's going on and why it's

1854
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 5: not working. You take a look at the coaches and

1855
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 5: they're just you know, they're looking and they're trying to

1856
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 5: console each other. It just seems like nothing wants to work.

1857
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 5: And I don't know what big solution is because it's

1858
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 5: just they're not on the same page. They're making mistakes everywhere.

1859
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 1: All right, thanks to call Todd.

1860
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 2: I'll say this, I don't think there's an issue with

1861
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick's want to. I really don't hearing him after

1862
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 2: talk after that Commander's game that was he's not a

1863
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 2: guy that he did not have the mood of a

1864
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 2: guy that was, all right, we lost another game, whatever,

1865
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 2: what it is, what it is, This is what the

1866
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 2: season is. No, he's legitimately bothered by the way this

1867
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 2: team is playing, and whether or not he's the guy

1868
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 2: to turn it around is another question. But I don't

1869
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 2: think he's quitting. I'll say that. I don't think he

1870
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 2: has come close to quitting. I think he still very

1871
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 2: much cares. I think these losses still very much bothered him.

1872
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that one hundred percent.

1873
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't think quitting is in Bill Belichick's team. No, No,

1874
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 2: and the whole thing about like tank. He's not gonna tank.

1875
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 2: He is not go it's not happening. He's not gonna

1876
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 2: purposely start losing games. He's not gonna stop caring about

1877
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 2: winning and losing games, and nor should he, by the way,

1878
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: to say, let me say that if you you should tanking,

1879
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 2: I've said the story. Tanking happens at the general manager

1880
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 2: level and above. But because Bill is both, you default

1881
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 2: to the coach level. He's a real competitor. He's out

1882
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 2: there to win. He's not wasting time. He's not wasting

1883
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 2: his time, he's not wasting anybody else's time. He's out

1884
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 2: there to win. And I give him credit for that.

1885
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: I honestly, my bigger concern with the coaching and with

1886
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: Bill is not necessarily about him quitting. I don't have

1887
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: any that's not even in my rational right. You know,

1888
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: that's not even on my brain. But I know, and

1889
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: we know Alex from covering the team, like how hard

1890
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: these coaches coach these players, Like they have long hours,

1891
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:26,839
Speaker 1: they have long meetings, Their corrections can be really brutally

1892
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 1: honest sometimes like when they get in there. And that's

1893
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 1: why I always feel somewhat comfortable like criticizing players and

1894
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: criticizing the team, because I know that what they're hearing,

1895
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 1: the critiques and the corrections that they're getting from the

1896
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 1: coaching staff are ten times worse than what we're saying. Yeah,

1897
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 1: I promise you that they And when I say ten

1898
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: times worse, I mean the volume of it is because

1899
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: they know all the little details of how they're screwing up.

1900
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: Not right.

1901
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 2: How many times do we say, you know, we don't

1902
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 2: know what the call is, so we can't definitively say

1903
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 2: they know what the call is?

1904
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: Right? Oh, right? Like this a coaching staff that goes

1905
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: about it and says like, we this is a six

1906
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: yard route and you ran it at five and a

1907
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 1: half yards, and we need you to run it.

1908
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 2: At six right, right?

1909
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 1: Like that, that's the type of stuff that you hear

1910
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 1: about how they coach players. So we know that this

1911
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Speaker 1: is a coaching staff that has a lot of smart

1912
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Speaker 1: football minds on it and that makes those tough corrections

1913
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Speaker 1: and isn't afraid to say the tough things in the room,

1914
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: and the players aren't responding to it anymore. Like the

1915
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Speaker 1: players are not getting any better, They're not clean there,

1916
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 1: they're poor fundamentally, like they're not it's not working. It's

1917
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Speaker 1: the message is not being received. And if the message

1918
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Speaker 1: isn't being received anymore, then I don't that's a big

1919
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Speaker 1: problem that needs to be addressed because it's not you know,

1920
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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's not going in there and saying like, you know,

1921
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Speaker 1: bust the coverage, draw go off sides, draw a hold

1922
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Speaker 1: on you know, like that. He's not saying those types

1923
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Speaker 1: of things. We know that. So the mistakes are being

1924
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Speaker 1: made because it's not gonna through. The message is not

1925
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Speaker 1: resonating with the players. I mean, we talked about special

1926
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: teams earlier, Alex they got punished in the offseason for

1927
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: having too many special teams eight, right, they spend too

1928
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 1: much time on special teams. Yet they are thirtieth in

1929
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Speaker 1: the league in dboa on special teams. They're one of

1930
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Speaker 1: the worst special teams units in the National Football League,

1931
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Speaker 1: despite having three dedicated special teams coaches and five dedicated

1932
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Speaker 1: special teams players. Yeah. Yeah, that that's code. Like the

1933
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Speaker 1: message isn't getting crossed anymore, period.

1934
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Speaker 2: All right, Uh, we'll take Patty and Aguam's call real quick,

1935
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Speaker 2: and then we'll get to the Colts. And I do

1936
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Speaker 2: want to get to the draft news too, So you're

1937
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 2: gonna have to make it quick here, Patty, what's up.

1938
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Speaker 5: I'll make it quick.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, So I have.

1940
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Speaker 3: I have just my head the other day.

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Speaker 5: How would you guys feel if draft that we're in doubt?

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Speaker 5: It's a great down. I know it's not popular. Possibly

1943
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 5: pick up and Michael Pennock. That's no leg I'll take

1944
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Speaker 5: it off there.

1945
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Speaker 2: So the old pair that Roman Dunesay and Michael Pennix,

1946
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 2: the old pair, the uh pair, the quarterback with the

1947
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 2: college receiver thing. I don't know that you're gonna be

1948
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Speaker 2: able to do that. You're gonna probably need two top

1949
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 2: twenty picks to do that, and you trade back. There's

1950
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Speaker 2: no team. The only team that has two first round

1951
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 2: picks is the Bears, and they're both gonna be top five.

1952
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Speaker 2: So I just don't know if that situation presents itself.

1953
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it. I just think

1954
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Speaker 2: that that's asking a bit too much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that would be great, right right. I

1956
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Speaker 1: think that when they drafted Mac obviously it's kind of

1957
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Speaker 1: a similar situation. I have. My dream has always been

1958
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Speaker 1: to try to pair him with Devonte Smith. And that's

1959
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 1: it's impossible, right, and it just wasn't gonna happen, and

1960
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Speaker 1: that draft for similar reasons, so that that would work

1961
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Speaker 1: out perfectly if if you could do, you know, go

1962
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Speaker 1: about doing that. But I I just I don't really know,

1963
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Speaker 1: you know. I I think that if you're gonna address

1964
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Speaker 1: back end receiver in the same draft or the same offseason,

1965
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: excuse me, you're gonna have to pay the receiver in

1966
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Speaker 1: veteran free agency. Like that's you're gonna have to go

1967
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: out in the veteran market and get the receiver that way.

1968
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Speaker 2: All right, Let's move on to this Patriots Colts matchup.

1969
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Speaker 2: And as I see here at talking about a NFL

1970
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Speaker 2: networks the rivalry evan real quick, your favorite Patriots Colts

1971
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 2: rivalry moment. Oh wait, you're asking a tribute question. Let's

1972
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 2: see if you can get this. Which Patriots running back

1973
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 2: ran for career high two hundred one yards in one

1974
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 2: game versus the Colts in twenty fourteen?

1975
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 1: You me, yeah, you don't think I can get that one.

1976
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 2: Come up A Stephen Ridley, b Jonas Grace Grace Ce,

1977
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 2: Shane Vereen, d James White.

1978
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: Jonas Gray.

1979
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 2: I can't believe it was only two hundred one yards.

1980
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 2: He felt like five hundred.

1981
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: It felt like a little bit more.

1982
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Speaker 2: That's up there for my favorite Patriots Colts moans, what's

1983
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 2: your favorite Patriots Colt moment?

1984
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a playoff game, so interesting that caveat

1985
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 1: William McGinnis goal line stop.

1986
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's a good one.

1987
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,560
Speaker 1: That one's still my favorite. Like there's no way that

1988
01:33:57,680 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: you would have thought that they were winning that game,

1989
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 1: Like it looked so crystal clear, like that game was

1990
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 1: over right, Yeah, that was That was my favorite moment.

1991
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:09,600
Speaker 1: I did the ty Law three interception game in the playoffs.

1992
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: So on the same way ty Law's interceptions and then

1993
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 2: you know, in the snow and everything that was like

1994
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 2: peek Patriots early time to see that was everything you

1995
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 2: wanted from those games in the snow in the playoffs,

1996
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 2: big name players making plays, Peyton Manning crying that one

1997
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 2: was awesome. The Willie McGinnis goal line stands a great play,

1998
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 2: Jonas Gray. And then also let's not forget the fake

1999
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 2: punt that never was Oh yeah right, that's got to

2000
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 2: be up there as well. But different game. Now, Patriots

2001
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 2: and Colts playing for the third time, in three years

2002
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 2: Colts won two years ago. That kind of kicked off

2003
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 2: that backslide for the Patriots at the end of the

2004
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one season. Last year, Colts came in the

2005
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 2: game after firing your offensive coordinator. They run a backup

2006
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 2: quarterback Sam Ellinger. Patriots pants them. So Rubbert match, neutral site,

2007
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 2: fun game. Let's start with quarterback Evin start quarterback Gardner

2008
01:34:59,160 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 2: Minshew is.

2009
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2010
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,599
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson obviously out for the year. I was looking

2011
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 2: forward to this game mainly because I wanted to watch

2012
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. That's not gonna happen. Now, here's something interesting

2013
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 2: about Gardner Minshew. In Gardner Minshew's career, he's thrown for

2014
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 2: over three hundred yards eight times, including ones this year.

2015
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Speaker 2: How many of those games is he won? Ever?

2016
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Speaker 1: Oh, I would assume like one or two. It's all

2017
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: garbage time zero, right, yeah, zero, he's garbage time Minshew

2018
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 1: Like that's that's his bread and butter right there.

2019
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Speaker 2: First and foremost responsibility for the Patriots this week stopped

2020
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 2: the run. It was what killed him two years ago

2021
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 2: in Indy in that game at the end of the

2022
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one season. I believe Jonathan Taylor didn't play

2023
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, right, so we know Taylor can get them.

2024
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 1: We talked about Jonathan Taylor didn't play in the game

2025
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah right, that's what I'm saying.

2026
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the game in Indy, he did he Oh, he

2027
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 2: very much didn't play.

2028
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a beast.

2029
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 2: So this is a guy that had trouble with He's

2030
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 2: a guy that knows how to break tackles. We talked

2031
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 2: about the tackling shoes earlier. You gotta hit Jonathan Taylor early.

2032
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 2: You can't let him build a head of team. So

2033
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 2: to go back to ups and downs, Evan, my two

2034
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 2: ups from the defense. Remember I said they're only two

2035
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 2: guys that played world defensively to Vaughan Godshaw Christian Barmore.

2036
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 2: Massive game for those two this week. Massive game. Those

2037
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 2: two need to show up.

2038
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's a big game for the run.

2039
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:19,560
Speaker 5: You know.

2040
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 1: Look, I think what's weird about the Colts is that

2041
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 1: from my perspective, Anthony Richardson, it looks so much better

2042
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: with Anthony Richardson, like it just aesthetically, you know, the

2043
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: eye test, but if you look at it statistically, their

2044
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 1: offense has basically been the same with Caardner Minshew in

2045
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 1: terms of production.

2046
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 2: Carter Minshew's not bad. This isn't like your normal backup

2047
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 2: quarterback Gardner Minshew, for the static gave you at the beginning,

2048
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 2: It's not a bad He's probably somewhere between like the

2049
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 2: thirtieth and fortieth best quarterback in the league. He's a serviceable,

2050
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 2: plug and play guy.

2051
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 1: He's a four A player, right, Yeah, like he's he's

2052
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 1: not He's a high end backup. Yeah, he's probably one

2053
01:36:58,080 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 1: of the best backup quarterbacks in the league. I would

2054
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 1: say so.

2055
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but with this isn't some helpless like second year

2056
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 2: you know court seeing NFL defense for the first time quarterback.

2057
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,680
Speaker 2: This is a guy who's been around and he's won

2058
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 2: some games.

2059
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And there are like I said, you know,

2060
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: from an EPA perspective, their offense literally produces the exact

2061
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: same EPA with with Gardner Mitschew as it does with

2062
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, Like literally the exact same number. So you

2063
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 1: look at this group, I've been really impressed, you know,

2064
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:31,639
Speaker 1: with with Tikan obviously, I think he can coach offense.

2065
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 1: Now I don't know enough about him as like a

2066
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: CEO of a football team, right, I don't know if

2067
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: he's the leader of men and does all the other

2068
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 1: things that take a head coach to do. But in

2069
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 1: terms of scheming offense, they are running the Eagles offense

2070
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts, and the idea was just to have

2071
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson beat their Jalen Hurts. It hasn't necessarily worked

2072
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 1: out that way just because of Richardson's injury. But they're

2073
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: still doing a lot of the same things with Minshew

2074
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: that they were would have done with Richardson. A lot

2075
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 1: of RPOs on early downs, option runs, like, there's still

2076
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 1: a lot of that in this offense. I mean, Mitschew

2077
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago against Cleveland had like a

2078
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 1: seventeen yard touchdown run on one of the Eagles patented

2079
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, run run pass options right where there's like

2080
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback run element, there's a handoff element, and then

2081
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 1: there's a pass hot element. So it's all those things

2082
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 1: is one. So I think that this is a difficult

2083
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 1: scheme to play without a ton of familiarity with the team, right,

2084
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: Like if you're an NFC team, it can be I

2085
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: think this can be a little bit like what's going

2086
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,879
Speaker 1: on here at times Now, the Patriots played the Eagles

2087
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: earlier on in the year, so I guess they have

2088
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 1: that advantage of they've kind of already faced this offense

2089
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,720
Speaker 1: once before. But of course, as we've all, you know,

2090
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,600
Speaker 1: talked about at nausea and I had Judean, he had

2091
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez, he had much different personnel back then. So

2092
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't look at this offense is one that you

2093
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: have to worry about being overwhelmingly more talented. It's kind

2094
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 1: of similar to the last week honestly, where I talked

2095
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,839
Speaker 1: up you know, er the enemy and that the offense

2096
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:00,639
Speaker 1: and ended up you know, throwing for over three hundred

2097
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 1: yards on the Patriots. It's a well coached offense. They

2098
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: put a lot of challenging things at you schematically offensively,

2099
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 1: and if you're not ready to play this game, then

2100
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 1: garter Mitch you can move the ball like I don't

2101
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 1: think that he's a complete, you know, terrible quarterback where

2102
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: they could do all these things right ex as and

2103
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: O's wise, but it just doesn't work out because Mitschew stinks.

2104
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 2: All right, talk to me about Michael Pittman. You said,

2105
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 2: you like if you saw from him, Yeah, yeah, you know, I.

2106
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: Think This is a I'm glad you brought this up

2107
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: because one of the little sneaky things that I'm going

2108
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: to be doing in this game is actually watching somebody

2109
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 1: else on the other team, which, to be honest, I

2110
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't really do that that often. Aw

2111
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 1: It's like it's not something that I really do very much.

2112
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: But Michael Pittman's a free agent going into next offseason.

2113
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier that if you're indeed you have a

2114
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: young stud potential quarterback here with Anthony Richardson, based off

2115
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,759
Speaker 1: of how he played when he was healthy, you probably

2116
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 1: want to keep Pittman around, like that's probably a guy

2117
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 1: that you're going to lock up long term. But I

2118
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 1: think it should be said that Pittman has basically been

2119
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: a thousand yard receiver playing with Carson Wentz and Matt

2120
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: Ryan as his quarterbacks and then this year a rookie

2121
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 1: and Gardner Minshew, So he hasn't really played with a

2122
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:15,560
Speaker 1: ton of It's not like he's out there playing with

2123
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and he's catching one hundred balls a year.

2124
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 1: He's a really good route runner for his size. You know,

2125
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 1: he's got that big frame, so he can't win down

2126
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 1: the field above the rim. But he also has that

2127
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 1: ability to break off routes at the intermediate level, you know,

2128
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 1: digs out things like that to keep a defender honest.

2129
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:35,719
Speaker 1: So I'm impressed with this film as like a true

2130
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 1: prototypical X receiver And if the Patriots want to look

2131
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:43,560
Speaker 1: at that spot, which they should be in the offseason

2132
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 1: and looking to upgrade Devonte Parker, I think that's exactly

2133
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:50,759
Speaker 1: what Michael Pittman is is a younger, better DeVante Parker.

2134
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 2: Well, he was the guy I remember too, Like they

2135
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 2: met with him going into the draft, right, they liked

2136
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 2: him going into the draft.

2137
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I liked him a little bit going

2138
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 1: into the draft too. What my concern was with him

2139
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: in terms of fitting him into the system because he

2140
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 1: is his downfield opportunities are going to come on jump balls, right, Like,

2141
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a lot of his verticals are going

2142
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:14,680
Speaker 1: to be throw it up to him and see if

2143
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 1: he can make a play on the ball. And we

2144
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: know how that skill set hasn't necessarily worked here in

2145
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 1: New England. But he can run routes like he can

2146
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 1: break down and run routes and great separation at the

2147
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 1: top of the route maybe a little bit better than

2148
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 1: I thought coming in based off of what he's put

2149
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 1: on tape with the Colts. So intriguing player. If he hits,

2150
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, free agency, that's somebody that maybe T Higgins doesn't,

2151
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: or maybe T Higgins is a thirty million dollar guy

2152
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:40,640
Speaker 1: in free agency and they end up going or the

2153
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 1: rout of somebody more a little bit more affordable. Then

2154
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 1: I think that's sort of T Higgins. And then number

2155
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 1: two in that class to me right now is Michael Pittman.

2156
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 2: All Right, we're we're kind of rolling through this because

2157
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 2: we've got to be off by eleven fifty because uh,

2158
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 2: Patriots on fielder's coming up next, and we got to

2159
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 2: let them set up for that. You know, I feel

2160
01:41:57,880 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 2: like when we talk about the Patriots offense in this

2161
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 2: game with same thing every week, right, what is the

2162
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 2: roota shouldn't what does the rotation look like? A wide

2163
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 2: receivers Kashawn Boody playing, How much is Samira Douglas play?

2164
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 2: How are they lining it up on the offensive line?

2165
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,799
Speaker 2: How are things gonna go there? Can Mac look comfortable

2166
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 2: in the pocket? Is it just the status quo again

2167
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 2: for the offensive week? Or is there anything that changes

2168
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:18,759
Speaker 2: with this matchup.

2169
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And really the other thing is, well, you remember

2170
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:24,600
Speaker 1: the game last year, and that was probably one of

2171
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 1: the worst offensive games of football I've ever watched. Between

2172
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 1: these two games teams, and last year, DeForest Buckner just

2173
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 1: completely ruined the game for the Patriots and Cole Strange

2174
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 1: got benched because of DeForest Buckner. So, like you said,

2175
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 1: this is a big litmus test game for this offense.

2176
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 1: It's a similar defense, same defensive coordinator. They changed head coaches,

2177
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 1: but they kept Gus Bradley as a defensive coordinator, and

2178
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley runs a Seattle three defense. He's like one

2179
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 1: of the he's a dying breed. He's like one of

2180
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 1: the last guys that's holding out on changing his philosophy.

2181
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: They play more zone coverage than any defense in the NFL.

2182
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:02,679
Speaker 1: They play more Cover three than any defense in the NFL.

2183
01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 1: They are a Seattle three defense. Still. Now a lot

2184
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 1: of teams that have branches from that tree have been

2185
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 1: become more like quarters based, you know, like Fangio type

2186
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,640
Speaker 1: of defenses because of you know, you can't teams just

2187
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 1: have figured out how to take down the cover free stuff.

2188
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:21,599
Speaker 1: Like it's just with all these offenses that can throw

2189
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 1: the ball down the field and all these passing attacks,

2190
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:26,600
Speaker 1: it becomes problematic to play that much single high so

2191
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 1: team teams have morphed the system. No, not Gus Bradley.

2192
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:34,640
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley's just still doing his thing, but they do

2193
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:36,719
Speaker 1: it at a pretty decent level. Like they're like middle

2194
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 1: of the pack in DVOA. But I do think that

2195
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 1: this is a team because they play so much zone coverage.

2196
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some open receivers down the field in

2197
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 1: this game. Like we always talk about that man coverage,

2198
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:51,599
Speaker 1: it's about the receivers getting open zone coverage. You can

2199
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:54,679
Speaker 1: beat zone coverage just with good scheme. So if O'Brien

2200
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: can scheme some guys open against this team, which I

2201
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 1: think they will be able to, then it becomes on

2202
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:03,560
Speaker 1: the detection to Forrest Buckner and can they hang you know,

2203
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 1: can they hold off that front four? You know, Buckner

2204
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 1: is a good player. I think Quitty pay is a

2205
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 1: good pass rusher. They have some guys that Apu can

2206
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:13,600
Speaker 1: that can rush the passer. Uh So let's see what

2207
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: it looks like upfront, and let's see if you know,

2208
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:17,599
Speaker 1: Cole Strange can keep himself from getting benched again against

2209
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 1: the Forrest Buckner.

2210
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 2: All right, so that's it. Evan will have his game preview.

2211
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 2: I think your previous already up right on Patriots dot com.

2212
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:25,640
Speaker 2: My game preview will be up tomorrow morning ninety at

2213
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 2: five the sports ub dot com because there is one

2214
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 2: more story I want to talk about and I you know,

2215
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 2: people always are asking us to talk about the draft.

2216
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,240
Speaker 2: Did we lose Evan there? Now he's back? Okay? People

2217
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 2: always you know, we talk about the draft a lot,

2218
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 2: and and specifically we're big on the the All Star Games.

2219
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 2: Obviously we went to the Shrine Bowl last year. We've

2220
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 2: covered the Senior Bowl extensively as well. There's other games,

2221
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 2: the Legacy Bowl, the Hula Bowl.

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01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 1: Like as you're talking about this, I I can't say

2223
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:53,600
Speaker 1: with one hundred percent certainty, but Mobile might be in

2224
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 1: our future, Alex, So we might be back. And it's

2225
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 1: looking good. It's soaking good for Mobile.

2226
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 2: And we may seem more than what we would typically see.

2227
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:05,320
Speaker 2: Because Adam Schefter reported this yesterday, college juniors who declare

2228
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:08,960
Speaker 2: for the draft are now eligible to play in all

2229
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 2: of these games. So in the past it was very specific,

2230
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:15,600
Speaker 2: very few circumstances in which non seniors could play in

2231
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 2: these games. Yeah, that's gone now, and I think what

2232
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 2: the league's trying to do is encourage some of the

2233
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 2: top prospects to not stay in college, which is an

2234
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,640
Speaker 2: easier decision now with the NIL and things like that.

2235
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 2: I have mixed feelings about this, even because on one hand,

2236
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 2: I think there are guys that come out as juniors.

2237
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:37,120
Speaker 2: And by the way, there's sixty nine juniors that entered

2238
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 2: the draft last year out of four hundred something players,

2239
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 2: so you're not talking about that many players relatively speaking.

2240
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 2: But these are going to be elite prospects. These are

2241
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 2: not Day three fringe draft pick guys. You come out

2242
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 2: as a junior, you're probably a pretty good player. You're

2243
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 2: probably going in the top two hundred. On one hand,

2244
01:45:56,720 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 2: we're now going to get to see these guys in

2245
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 2: that competitive format, which is value. But when it comes

2246
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:03,679
Speaker 2: to evaluating prospects, and I like that. On the other hand,

2247
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 2: that's now more players that are available. So does it

2248
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 2: push some of those fringe draft guys? Tomoro Douglas a

2249
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:14,840
Speaker 2: perfect example, does to Mario Douglas get the invite if

2250
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 2: there were you know, seventy something juniors between the Senior

2251
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,599
Speaker 2: Bowl and Shrine Bowl that were available. Does it push

2252
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 2: some smaller school guys, a guy like Marte Mapu? Does

2253
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 2: it push them out of the pictures? So again I'm

2254
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 2: torn on it. Ultimately, I would like to see more

2255
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 2: of those fringe guys, more of the seniors that are

2256
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:37,280
Speaker 2: you know I got Yeah, a guy like a guy

2257
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 2: like brock Perty is a great example. He wasn't an

2258
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,679
Speaker 2: elite prospect, but he ended up making the cut because

2259
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 2: there weren't that many quarterbacks in that draft. He goes

2260
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 2: to the Shrine Bowl, it was a big deal. Yeah,

2261
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 2: So I'm mixed on it. I think it's definitely gonna

2262
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 2: be good for certain players, and it might be good

2263
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 2: for the draft. I just think it gets rid of

2264
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,640
Speaker 2: some of those fun, more underdog stories that I know

2265
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 2: you're not as interested as the draft that I love

2266
01:46:59,280 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 2: in the draft.

2267
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: No, I'm actually with you on this, believe it or not,

2268
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 1: because of some of the guys that you just mentioned,

2269
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 1: like a Pop Douglas. Yeah, and I'm interested. You know,

2270
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 1: I'll probably reach out and then when I get back

2271
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:14,560
Speaker 1: to Galco about this, like how do you how do

2272
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: you keep the Pop Douglasses of the world safe, right,

2273
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 1: how do you like, how are those guys still involved

2274
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 1: in the game, Because to me, in our experience last

2275
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 1: year at the Shrine Bowl is so great because we

2276
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:28,800
Speaker 1: how do I phrase it. I don't want to say

2277
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:30,680
Speaker 1: we found Pop Douglas because that's not the right way

2278
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 1: to say it, but you know what I'm trying.

2279
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 2: So if you go on if you go on NFL

2280
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 2: mock Draft database dot com and it tracks it's a

2281
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 2: website that basically tracks the stock of all the players

2282
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:43,600
Speaker 2: in the draft. Pop Douglas's stock spikes the week that

2283
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,200
Speaker 2: we were at the Shrine Bowl. And there were not

2284
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:47,599
Speaker 2: that many media members covering the Shrine Bowl the way

2285
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 2: we were covering it, just say it. It was all

2286
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 2: about right, we we didn't discover him as a prospect,

2287
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 2: like GMS knew about him, right, We were the first

2288
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 2: media people talking about Pop Douglas.

2289
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Pop Douglas like those types of guys to

2290
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 1: meet the Shrine Bowl. And I'm fingers crossed, but I

2291
01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 1: think I'm safe in saying that we're probably gonna be

2292
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:06,599
Speaker 1: able to go to the Senior Bowl this year.

2293
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2294
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 1: With the Senior Bowl, Like, that's what it is for me.

2295
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 1: I know who Drake may is right, like, I know

2296
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:16,640
Speaker 1: who the top prospects in the draft art who are

2297
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 1: the guys that on day two, day three?

2298
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 2: Right that?

2299
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:21,680
Speaker 1: I like that. I want to you know, see more

2300
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 1: of that. I want to watch, you know, study their film,

2301
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:24,680
Speaker 1: like who are you?

2302
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 2: The draft is great?

2303
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's just you know, like it's it. Day

2304
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 1: three matters too, right, like punchers and kickers. Uh So

2305
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:35,600
Speaker 1: at some point you have to let those guys have

2306
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 1: their moment and like now, like you said, if the

2307
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 1: roster is being filled up with uh you know, those

2308
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:44,440
Speaker 1: top guys, Yeah, it's probably better for like the marketability

2309
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 1: of the game, and it's probably better for some of

2310
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 1: those players. But at the same time, I do worry

2311
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 1: about you know, another perfect example to so not to

2312
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 1: just keep using Pop Douglas, Pooka and Nikua. Yeah, like

2313
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 1: Kua went down to Mobile and had an unbelievable scene

2314
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 1: in your Bowl week and now here we are with

2315
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:05,759
Speaker 1: Puka Nakua in Los Angeles. So those are the types

2316
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,640
Speaker 1: of guys that you worry about, you know, slipping through

2317
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 1: the cracks now even more.

2318
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 2: But I think they're giving Kyle Duggar coming from D

2319
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 2: two and getting the experience, and.

2320
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:17,599
Speaker 1: He call strange for that matter too.

2321
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:20,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Dugger was projected to be a top fifty pick,

2322
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 2: but you didn't know. You didn't see him against that

2323
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 2: level of competition until you got to the Senior Bowl.

2324
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 2: I'll give you two reasons for optimism, though, I think

2325
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 2: that we'll be okay. One, you are seeing more of

2326
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 2: the top top prospects, like you mentioned Drake May, those

2327
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 2: first round, top fifteen locks. More of those guys are

2328
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,719
Speaker 2: now opting out of the games altogether, right and saying

2329
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:42,640
Speaker 2: if I go, I'm only gonna hurt my stock, or

2330
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 2: I could get hurt. I'm staying home, So that opens

2331
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 2: up some spots. Also, the NFL allowing it doesn't mean

2332
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. Jim Naggy could sit there and say, no,

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Speaker 2: it's the Senior Bowl, not running juniors. What are you

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Speaker 2: talking about?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Eric Galaco could say, no, this is what this game

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Speaker 2: is about. I want to make sure that I have

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Speaker 2: enough small school prospects, so we'll see how the games

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Speaker 2: themselves handle it. But the NFL's opening the door, and

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Speaker 2: I thought that was really quick. And then they're they're

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Speaker 2: gonna run me off the stage here. Yeah, I'm staying

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Speaker 2: on the stage, but they're gonna kick us off the air.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The one thing that I think is also interesting

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Speaker 1: that I saw was that this could potentially open the

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Speaker 1: door for more of these all star games.

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Speaker 2: So like, okay, so there's that too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Bowl become

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Speaker 1: just like real all Star games where we're just talking

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Speaker 1: about like really good prospects, then maybe there's a chance

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Speaker 1: that we could have like different you know, four or

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Speaker 1: five six of these you know in the future, which

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Speaker 1: for people like God so like, would be awesome.

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Speaker 2: You know, make a Junior Bowl, make an Underclassman Bowl.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: I was I wondered for so I always wonder how

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Speaker 2: they get the underclassman fault. I thought it would be

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Speaker 2: just making another bowl, not this. But anyway, right, we

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Speaker 2: got to wrap it up. I could see Faith, who's

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Speaker 2: been producing for us. It's like standing at the board

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Speaker 2: ready to go take us off the air. So we'll

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Speaker 2: be back next week's same time, same place, back on video, Evan.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back from Germany. But in the meantime, Patriots

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