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Speaker 3: Right now, Let's start because there's a lot of news
Speaker 3: this week by talking about, frankly, the most important news
Speaker 3: story in the whole nation right now. On Thursday, October second,
Speaker 3: right wing influencer Nick Sorder along with two other people.
Speaker 2: It's stupid. Oh, it's really stupid.
Speaker 3: Along with two of the people, were arrested by the
Speaker 3: Portland Police Bureau in connection with a fight outside of
Speaker 3: the Ice Building during a protest. Sorder was provoking reactions
Speaker 3: from protesters when he was then chased down the street
Speaker 3: by a woman in a bird cost bird costume quote
Speaker 3: swinging a large stick covered with.
Speaker 5: Feathers rested by Big Bird.
Speaker 3: According to court documents, the three people were arrested at
Speaker 3: all charged with disorderly conduct, though sords charges have since
Speaker 3: been dropped. Sordiers arrest ignited a right wing firestorm the
Speaker 3: likes of which I have not seen since Early Kirk
Speaker 3: was assassinated.
Speaker 2: I'm glad people are finally waking up to the ANTIFA
Speaker 2: police department that rules Portland with an iron fist.
Speaker 5: For a long time.
Speaker 3: Tim Poole posted on x the Everything app. I'm calling
Speaker 3: on the Trump administration to launch a legal challenge against
Speaker 3: Oregon following the arrest of Nick Sorter and if necessary,
Speaker 3: deployed National Guard Organs failed to uphold federal and state
Speaker 3: law and we should not tolerate it.
Speaker 2: Oh and like Yeah, there was like a fight and
Speaker 2: they detained people, and then the DA didn't press charges
Speaker 2: against Sorter, and it's it's just it couldn't be more
Speaker 2: of a nothing burger as an actual story.
Speaker 6: Nothing than burger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but oh boy, but not according to the AG's office,
Speaker 3: who quickly responded on it to Tim Poole's request, and
Speaker 3: by Friday morning, the White House, the Attorney General, and
Speaker 3: the Justice Department announced a quote unquote full investigation into
Speaker 3: the arrest and the conduct of the Portland Police Bureau. Finally,
Speaker 3: conservative influencer Benny Johnson, who's been embedded with ICE this
Speaker 3: past week, posted on x Everything app quote important news.
Speaker 3: I spoke with DHS Secretary Christinome. She's been briefed on
Speaker 3: the attack and arrest of journalists and Nick Sorder. Secretary
Speaker 3: Nome tells me DHS will surge ICE resources in Portland.
Speaker 3: Quote Antifa is a terrorist group and will not control
Speaker 3: our streets unquote. Thank you, Secretary Nome. Benny Johnson later
Speaker 3: shared video captioned breaking. DHS Secretary Christinome has announced that
Speaker 3: the Department of War will deploy to Portland and Chicago
Speaker 3: within twenty four hours to crush left wing violence unquote.
Speaker 3: And here is the video with Christinome talking about the
Speaker 3: quote unquote Antifa affiliated anti ICE protests.
Speaker 7: Well, you've got a presence in Portland as that is
Speaker 7: Antifa affiliated, and so that is a situation where you
Speaker 7: have known professionals targeted violence that want to tear down
Speaker 7: America and while will apparently attack anyone, even journalists, they're
Speaker 7: just trying to report the truth of what's happening.
Speaker 4: On the streets.
Speaker 7: So we're not just going to be rolling out of
Speaker 7: Chicago here, but we're sending in the Department of War
Speaker 7: at the request that I made to Secretary Headset, they're
Speaker 7: going to be rolling in here within the next twenty
Speaker 7: four hours. They'll be coming to Chicago to I put
Speaker 7: a request in today for them to come to Chicago,
Speaker 7: and we're going to not only have our officers that
Speaker 7: are out there with HSI and space, but we're also
Speaker 7: going to have backup from our military, because everybody deserves that.
Speaker 7: And so what we saw happened to that journalist last
Speaker 7: night will not happen again.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, Benny Johnson showing a very professional journalism there
Speaker 4: by just saying wow a lot.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty wild scene. Having like troops walk behind
Speaker 3: Christy nome as this podcast or Grills Grills are on
Speaker 3: sending the military to cities in front of a back cat.
Speaker 3: The reactions from the right after Nick Sorterer's arrest we're
Speaker 3: pretty wild, with journalists going on Fox News claiming that
Speaker 3: the Portland Police are affiliated with Antifa, and popular right
Speaker 3: wing influencers on X like amuse saying, quote, the Portland
Speaker 3: Police are now colluding with Antifa to prosecute federal officers
Speaker 3: protecting the ICE facility.
Speaker 2: When has that happened.
Speaker 3: Each time federal officers engage with Antifa, Portland Police liaisons
Speaker 3: clutch statements and videos from Antifa to facilitate state criminal
Speaker 3: charges against DHS. So somehow, in the year of Our
Speaker 3: Lord twenty twenty five, the Portland Police Bureau is now Antifa,
Speaker 3: which is a truly miraculous state of affairs. After his
Speaker 3: release Friday morning, next Order posted on X quote, You've
Speaker 3: proved what we've all been saying for years. You're corrupt
Speaker 3: and controlled by violent Antifa thugs who terrorize the streets.
Speaker 3: Referring to the Portland Police. I have been in direct
Speaker 3: contact with top officials at DHS. What's coming in Portland
Speaker 3: is unprecedented thanks to Portland police exposing themselves by arresting journalists.
Speaker 3: Great work, Portland, unquote. A day later, on October fourth,
Speaker 3: a Trump appointed federal judge granted the state of Oregon
Speaker 3: and the City of Portland a temporary restraining order blocking
Speaker 3: trumpenheag'sas federalization and deployment of two hundred organ National Guard
Speaker 3: against the wishes of Oregon Governor Tina Kotec. The judge
Speaker 3: found that existing local and federal law enforcement were sufficient
Speaker 3: to police protests, that the Trump admin had mischaracterized the
Speaker 3: reality of the current protests outside of the ice facility,
Speaker 3: and that violence against ICE in other parts of the
Speaker 3: country is not sufficient justification for a local military deployment.
Speaker 2: It's worth noting this judge, Judge Immergant, number one, not
Speaker 2: a woke judge, was literally, if you go back and
Speaker 2: you watch the Monica Lewinsky hearings or the I mean,
Speaker 2: this is the Clinton sex scandal hearings, but this is
Speaker 2: the part of it in which Lewinsky was being grilled.
Speaker 2: Immigrant was the female lawyer that they brought out to
Speaker 2: be incredibly cruel to Monica Lewinsky Because it wouldn't look
Speaker 2: as often putting and wound up.
Speaker 8: She wound up.
Speaker 2: Part of why Monica Lewinsky became so is she immigrant
Speaker 2: looked fucking nuts and immigrant is the person who is
Speaker 2: looking at it, who is going through all of the
Speaker 2: claims made by the administration and going there's literally not
Speaker 2: only is there no justification for the deployment of troops
Speaker 2: in Portland, but everyone calling the shots at FPS and
Speaker 2: Ice is like, everything's under control, we have no need
Speaker 2: for additional people. Yeah, there's no real danger here. Like,
Speaker 2: this is not a leftist judge. This is not a
Speaker 2: judge with a political act to grind. This is a judge.
Speaker 2: But thirty years ago you would have called a far
Speaker 2: right extremist.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I will quote a little bit from her ruling here.
Speaker 6: Quote.
Speaker 3: To accept the defendant's arguments, that's the federal's government would
Speaker 3: be to render meaningless the extraordinary requirements of ten USC
Speaker 3: one two four six by allowing the presidents to federalize
Speaker 3: one states National Guard based on the events in a
Speaker 3: different state or mere speculation about future events. In other words,
Speaker 3: violence elsewhere cannot support troop deployments here, and concern about
Speaker 3: hypothetical future conduct does not demonstrate a present inability to
Speaker 3: execute the laws using non military federal law enforcement quote.
Speaker 3: On the Trump Admin's argument that the presidents authorized to
Speaker 3: federalize state National Guard in the case of rebellion or invasion,
Speaker 3: the judge concluded that the legal definition of rebellion requires quote. First,
Speaker 3: a rebellion must not only be violent, but also armed. Second,
Speaker 3: a rebellion must be organized. Third, a rebellion must be
Speaker 3: open and avowed. Fourth, rebellion must be against the government
Speaker 3: as a whole, often with the aim of overthrowing the government,
Speaker 3: rather than in opposition to a single law or issue. Here,
Speaker 3: the protests in Portland were not a rebellion and did
Speaker 3: not pose a danger of rebellion, especially in the days
Speaker 3: leading up to the federalization. The judge found that the
Speaker 3: president's federalization of the organ National Guard without proper statutory
Speaker 3: authority under ten USC. One two four h six, exceeded
Speaker 3: the president's constitutional authority, undermined organs sovereignty, and violated the
Speaker 3: Tenth Amendment by infringing on organ's constitutional power to control
Speaker 3: its own national guard, writing that the Trump admin Quote
Speaker 3: interfered with the constitutional balance of power between the federal
Speaker 3: and state governments.
Speaker 6: Unquote Yeah.
Speaker 4: Is that the one where she she said their argument
Speaker 4: was untethered from the facts. Yeah, Yeah, I think that
Speaker 4: was a pretty good, uh good summary of what's going
Speaker 4: on here.
Speaker 3: Later that day, Stephen Miller went on News Nation to
Speaker 3: talk about the quote unquote insurrectionists interesting word in Portland
Speaker 3: and the new National Security Presidential memorandum to investigate dismantle
Speaker 3: so called left wing terrorist networks.
Speaker 9: We're the federal government. We are not going to tolerate
Speaker 9: a lawless insurrection. We're not going to tolerate domestic terrorism.
Speaker 9: And we are going after the Antifa rioters, thests, the
Speaker 9: violent assaulters, and we are not only going after them,
Speaker 9: we are going after their network. We are going after
Speaker 9: their funders. Every time we make an arrest, we are
Speaker 9: initiating an investigation into the.
Speaker 5: Entire domestic terrorist network.
Speaker 9: The President issued a National Security Presidential Memorandum in NSPN
Speaker 9: making clear that it is the national security priority of
Speaker 9: United States law enforcement to dismantle, disrupt, defeat, and destroy
Speaker 9: these domestic terror networks. And that is exactly what is
Speaker 9: taking place. It is what we are doing, it is
Speaker 9: what will happen.
Speaker 3: His use of the word insurrection, there is important. A
Speaker 3: day later, President Trump also used the term insurrectionists to
Speaker 3: describe protests in Portland and complained about the federal judge
Speaker 3: who blocked the deployment of National Guard, saying, quote, Portland
Speaker 3: is burning to the ground. You have agitators, insurrectionists. All
Speaker 3: you gotta do is look at the television. It's burning
Speaker 3: to the ground. The governor, the mayor, the politicians are
Speaker 3: petrified for their lives. That judge ought to be a shamed.
Speaker 2: And again, nothing's been burnt down. Nothing was burnt down
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. Most of the big nights that I
Speaker 2: slately have been maybe two hundred people. You know, you've
Speaker 2: had some more on a few occasions, but like it's
Speaker 2: usually a lot less. It's probably just unnecessary for me
Speaker 2: to correct all this, but I guess I can't fight
Speaker 2: the urge to be like, none of this is accurate
Speaker 2: to what's happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the simulation is more important than the reality.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Miller's done this before, right, Like he kind of likes
Speaker 4: to use these words that exist in legislation and sort
Speaker 4: of in point to the direction he wants things to go.
Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, like he did this by calling anti
Speaker 4: for an enterprise. We sort as to an extent with
Speaker 4: Title forty two and his reference to migrants to the
Speaker 4: public health threat. This is kind of a trademark move
Speaker 4: for him.
Speaker 3: Almost now, hours after the federal judge blocked the federalization
Speaker 3: of Oregon National Guard, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth ordered
Speaker 3: three hundred California National Guard to be deployed to Portland.
Speaker 3: In the next day, he Texas Governor Greg Abbott authorized
Speaker 3: four hundred Texas National Guard to be sent to Orgon
Speaker 3: and Illinois in coordination with the Department of War. On
Speaker 3: Sunday night, the federal judge that previously blocked the organ
Speaker 3: National Guard federalization made another ruling blocking the deployment of
Speaker 3: troops from California and Texas, finding that it was quote,
Speaker 3: in direct contravention of her earlier tro This secondary toro
Speaker 3: halted any federalization relocation or deployment of any Guard members
Speaker 3: to organ from any state. The Trump administration has appealed
Speaker 3: these rulings and oral arguments will be heard on Thursday,
Speaker 3: October ninth in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Stephen
Speaker 3: Miller called this ruling quote one of the most egregious
Speaker 3: and thunderous violations of constitutional order we have ever seen,
Speaker 3: and is yet the latest example of unceasing efforts to
Speaker 3: nullify the twenty twenty fourth election by FIAT unquote. By Monday,
Speaker 3: Miller told reporters, without going to specifics, that the present
Speaker 3: quote has a very broad range and set of authorities
Speaker 3: when it comes to deploying federal assets.
Speaker 6: Quote.
Speaker 3: That same day, Monday, Trump discussed the possibility of invoking
Speaker 3: the Insurrection Act in a White House press conference.
Speaker 10: The Insurrection Act, Sir, what the Insurrection Act? Under what
Speaker 10: conditions or terms would you?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 11: I do it if it was necessary. So far it
Speaker 11: hasn't been necessary. But we have an Insurrection Act for
Speaker 11: a reason. If I had to enacted, I'd do that.
Speaker 11: If people were being killed and courts were holding us up,
Speaker 11: or governors or mayors were holding us up, Sure I
Speaker 11: do that. I mean, I want to make sure that
Speaker 11: people aren't killed. We have to make sure that our
Speaker 11: cities are safe. And it's turning out, and we started
Speaker 11: with DC it's been so successful. You look at what's
Speaker 11: happened with Portland over the years. It's a burning hell hall.
Speaker 11: And then you have a judge that lost a way
Speaker 11: that tries to protec and that like there's no problem. Actually,
Speaker 11: she's not even saying that there's a huge problem. Important.
Speaker 11: I'll tell you what the problem is.
Speaker 5: Crime.
Speaker 11: Okay, crime. There's a huge problem in Chicago. It's called crime.
Speaker 11: And we want to put out the crime, and they
Speaker 11: want to inflame the crime.
Speaker 10: Oo booy.
Speaker 3: Sure, that's the clearest statement we've gotten from the President
Speaker 3: on the conditions in which he would invoke the Insurrection Act.
Speaker 3: I think specifically pointing towards governors, mayors, or courts that
Speaker 3: prevent ice from completing immigration actions in those cities and counties.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and that's the thing that we've gotten from him.
Speaker 10: That's the most specific indication of things that are happening
Speaker 10: right now that could cause him to do it. We
Speaker 10: still don't have a direct I'm going to do it,
Speaker 10: but I think it's pretty clear from this that he
Speaker 10: wants to these people in the circles I'm talking about,
Speaker 10: wanting to do it for a long time, and I
Speaker 10: think this is in some ways the closest we've gotten
Speaker 10: to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why you have tole like Miller and
Speaker 3: Trump himself using the word insurrection when describing what's happening
Speaker 3: to establish a pretext to actually follow through on that
Speaker 3: and declare the Insurrection Act when it suits them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's worth noting mellas doing. Miller is
Speaker 4: often the originator of many of these kind of legal theories.
Speaker 4: This one has made its way to Trump.
Speaker 3: I'm going to declare an ad break, and then we
Speaker 3: will return to finish our reporting on war ravaged Portland. Okay,
Speaker 3: we are back. DHS Secretary Christy Nome has made some
Speaker 3: pretty fantastic claims about the nature of these protests and
Speaker 3: the threats facing ICE agents, both in Chicago and Portland,
Speaker 3: and I'm just gonna play her clip from Fox News
Speaker 3: here talking about the threats to ICE.
Speaker 7: Our intelligence indicates that these people are organized, They're getting
Speaker 7: more and more people on their team as far as
Speaker 7: attacking officers, and they're making plans to ambush them and
Speaker 7: to kill them. We have specific officers and agents that
Speaker 7: have bounties that have been put out on their heads.
Speaker 7: It's been two thousand dollars to kidnap them, ten thousand
Speaker 7: dollars to kill them. They've released their pictures, they've sent
Speaker 7: them between their networks, and it's an extremely dangerous situation
Speaker 7: and unprecedented. So we've put protective detail around those individuals,
Speaker 7: change some of our operations to keep our officers safe.
Speaker 7: But make no mistake, this isn't just about protesting free
Speaker 7: speech or that they don't like that people out here
Speaker 7: are upholding the law of our country. They're actually going
Speaker 7: out there and saying, kill these people, and we'll give
Speaker 7: you this much money to do it.
Speaker 4: It's quite a specific claim, isn't it.
Speaker 3: What she's doing there is conflating alleged cartel bounties on
Speaker 3: ICE agents with protests happening out the site of ICE facilities,
Speaker 3: making it sound like the protesters are putting ten thousand
Speaker 3: dollars kill bounties on ICE officers.
Speaker 2: Man, let me tell you, nobody who's out at ICE
Speaker 2: right now has collectively ten grand to put towards a bounty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what are we doing here?
Speaker 3: On Tuesday, October seventh, Christinom arrived in Portland, Oregon, along
Speaker 3: with her conservative podcaster sidekick Benny Johnson, who has been
Speaker 3: live streaming ICE operations in Chicago with NOME. Benny posted
Speaker 3: on x everything app breaking DH Secretary Christinomes stares down
Speaker 3: army of Antifa and a guy in a chicken suit
Speaker 3: from the rooftop of the ice facility here in Portland.
Speaker 2: Finally someone took that chicken guy down to size.
Speaker 3: I want to play the video that I think one
Speaker 3: of us should like set this stage for what we're seeing.
Speaker 5: Sector.
Speaker 10: Do you have a message to the protesters, especially the
Speaker 10: man in the chicken outfit?
Speaker 12: Man on the chicken out but I just see him,
Speaker 12: no goodness, you could do better. Our goal is that
Speaker 12: people would peacefully protest, but that we would still be.
Speaker 7: Allowed to enforce the law in this country. Too bad
Speaker 7: the uneducated and niliform.
Speaker 3: If you look at this protest, there's about what twenty
Speaker 3: people on the street corner adjacent to the ice facility,
Speaker 3: nearly as many journalists and photographers as there are protesters.
Speaker 3: And this is what Bennie Johnson is describing as an
Speaker 3: army of Antifa, is these twenty people holding signs across
Speaker 3: from like a police line on the edge of the
Speaker 3: ice facility. At a later point, Benny zooms into another
Speaker 3: street corner which similarly has about a dozen people over
Speaker 3: a one block away from the ice facility. This is
Speaker 3: the army of Antifa that Bennie Johnson is referring to
Speaker 3: as he, along with Nick Sorder stand with on the
Speaker 3: roof of the ice facility surveying the area, which is
Speaker 3: just a fantastical sequence of events. We time traveled and
Speaker 3: told me that five years ago that Christy Nome and
Speaker 3: Betty Johnson are going to be on the roof of
Speaker 3: the ice facility calling a man in a chicken outfit
Speaker 3: an army of Antifa. I guess I could believe you,
Speaker 3: but it would still I guess it would still be
Speaker 3: upsetting it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't like, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: like argue with you. I'd be like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: that sounds like a natural extension of where things are
Speaker 2: at this point in time.
Speaker 3: On Tuesday night, Nome went on Fox News to talk
Speaker 3: about a meeting she had with local law enforcement and
Speaker 3: the mayor where she threatened to send four times as
Speaker 3: many federal forces into Portland, Oregon.
Speaker 2: Sure man, I.
Speaker 7: Told them what we wanted. We wanted more security here
Speaker 7: at the building, a bigger buffer zone to keep our
Speaker 7: officers safe. We wanted to have their streets opened up
Speaker 7: again and not let the anarchists run this city anymore.
Speaker 7: That we would ask them to continue to back us
Speaker 7: up like we've been asked looking for, instead of what
Speaker 7: they've been doing the last several months, which is just
Speaker 7: leaving our officers hang out to dry. The chief asked
Speaker 7: if I wanted to meet with the mayor, and I
Speaker 7: said absolutely, came back and just met with a mayor,
Speaker 7: and I'm so extremely disappointed he's continuing to play politics.
Speaker 7: Did not commit to any of those promises and said
Speaker 7: that he'd give me an answer by tomorrow, and I'm
Speaker 7: hopeful that he will. What I told him is that
Speaker 7: if he did not follow through on some of these
Speaker 7: security measures for our officers, we were going to cover
Speaker 7: him up with more federal resources, and that we were
Speaker 7: going to send four times the amount of federal officers
Speaker 7: here so that the people of Portland could have some safety.
Speaker 2: Again, almost no one's even there. I can't exaggerate the
Speaker 2: degree to which this is not a major factor in
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of people's day to day because number one,
Speaker 2: where the ice facility is, is cordoned off from the
Speaker 2: rest of the city like.
Speaker 6: Pretty isolated chunk.
Speaker 2: It's isolated, you might say. And number two, just like
Speaker 2: most people that I know who were out in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty don't really have a clear idea of what they
Speaker 2: should be doing right now or what the most useful
Speaker 2: thing to do is right now, and have spent a
Speaker 2: lot of time in front of federal riot lines and
Speaker 2: aren't right now, And like it's this complete disconnect between
Speaker 2: what's actually going on in the city and like what's
Speaker 2: what's being reported, which doesn't matter really, like it doesn't
Speaker 2: impact anything. That everything they're saying is a lie, yeah,
Speaker 2: because their people believe it. It's just kind of frustrating now.
Speaker 3: And this information is all into tro document that blocked
Speaker 3: the deployment of National Guard quote. Plaintiffs provided all of
Speaker 3: the PPB call logs in the month of September, which
Speaker 3: showed that Portland Place Bureau worked in close coordination with
Speaker 3: Federal Protective Service supervisors and regularly checked the status of
Speaker 3: the ice facility as detailed above. They also showed that
Speaker 3: protest activity in September generally did not involve violence against
Speaker 3: federal property or personnel.
Speaker 6: Unquote.
Speaker 3: Espureau have been working in coordination to manage the protests
Speaker 3: outside the ICE building. They've not abandoned ice officers. That's
Speaker 3: not actually what's happening. A federal judge is deemed that
Speaker 3: local law enforcement are more than sufficient to handle the
Speaker 3: protests outside of the ICE facility. The Trump government just
Speaker 3: really wants to send the military into cities, as they've
Speaker 3: already done with DC, as they were wanting to do
Speaker 3: with Memphis, Chicago, Portland eventually like New Orleans. This is
Speaker 3: just something that they really want to do. On Tuesday,
Speaker 3: October seventh, Texas National Guard arrived in Illinois and are
Speaker 3: currently stationed at an Army reserve center in a suburb
Speaker 3: south of Chicago. Sunday night, Governor Pritzker made a statement reading, quote,
Speaker 3: this evening, President Trump is ordering four hundred members of
Speaker 3: the Texas National Guard for deployments to Illinois, Oregon, and
Speaker 3: other locations within the United States. We must now start
Speaker 3: calling this what it is, Trump's invasion. It started with
Speaker 3: federal agents, will soon include deploying federalized members of the
Speaker 3: Illinois National Guard against our wishes, and it will now
Speaker 3: involve sending in another state's military troops. There is no
Speaker 3: reason a president should send military troops into a sovereign
Speaker 3: state without their knowledge, consent, or cooperation.
Speaker 5: Unquote.
Speaker 3: The state of Illinois announced that they would be seeking
Speaker 3: their own tro against Trump's military deployment. The Illinois Attorney
Speaker 3: General said in a statement, quote, the American people, regardless
Speaker 3: of where they reside, should not live under the threat
Speaker 3: of occupation by the United States military, particularly for the
Speaker 3: reason that their city or state leadership has fallen out
Speaker 3: of a president's favor. And on Monday, Chicago Mayra Brandon
Speaker 3: Johnson signed an executive order establishing city property and unwilling
Speaker 3: private businesses as ice free zones and discuss the deployment
Speaker 3: of troops from out of state by warning quote, the
Speaker 3: right wing in this country wants a rematch of the
Speaker 3: Civil War unquote.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and so we have a kind of breaking news update,
Speaker 10: which is so this is being recorded on Wednesday, October eighth.
Speaker 10: It's possible this will again change by the time this
Speaker 10: comes out. The most recent information we have is and
Speaker 10: this is supported by CBS per a statement from US
Speaker 10: Northern Command, which is part of the Defense Department's War Department.
Speaker 10: But yes, they're sitting five hundred troops. I'm just going
Speaker 10: to read the direct quote Illinois, approximately two hundred soldiers
Speaker 10: from various units of the Texas National Guard and approximately
Speaker 10: three hundred soldiers from various units of the Illinois National
Speaker 10: Guard were activated into a Title ten status and have
Speaker 10: arrived in the Greater Chicago area. The National Guard, remobilized
Speaker 10: for an initial period of sixty days, will be under
Speaker 10: the command and control of the Commander of US Northern Command.
Speaker 10: So that's where we are right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is out of state guard deployed into Illinois.
Speaker 3: They are in this borders of the state right now.
Speaker 3: When Haiggs has tried to deployed California National Guard to Oregon,
Speaker 3: it's unclear how many of them actually arrived in Oregon,
Speaker 3: but we do have confirmation and photos of Texas Guard
Speaker 3: in the borders of Illinois.
Speaker 8: YEP.
Speaker 3: This morning, Donald Trump truthed on truth Social that quote,
Speaker 3: Chicago mayor should be in jail for failing to protect
Speaker 3: ice officers. Governor Pritzker also unquote. Is that the President
Speaker 3: of the United States calling for the jailing of a
Speaker 3: mayor and governor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also more recently calling for the jailing of
Speaker 2: everyone who burns American flags and an anim of a
Speaker 2: year in prison. Again, the legality here is deeply unclear.
Speaker 2: There's not a legal underpinning for that, other than he's
Speaker 2: instructed the DOJ to start going after those folks.
Speaker 6: But yeah, this is just words that he's saying.
Speaker 3: But I think the words that he's saying are sometimes
Speaker 3: not always, but sometimes important.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So I want to turn from here to the
Speaker 10: other occupation of Chicago, the one that has been doing
Speaker 10: significant damage already in the city as we have been covering,
Speaker 10: which is the ICE and Border Patrol deployment in Chicago.
Speaker 10: There's been more escalations that we are going to spend
Speaker 10: a small amount of time talking about. ICE has begun
Speaker 10: detaining unhoused people. We have reports of eleven total people
Speaker 10: they've detained so far. Most of them have been released.
Speaker 10: But the most prominent, and this is something that Brandon
Speaker 10: Johnson specifically mentioned in his speech, was for people who
Speaker 10: were taken in Chicago neighborhood called Broadview, who were outside
Speaker 10: a shelter. According to Chicago reader, we don't know where
Speaker 10: they are Jesus as if when say they're just gone,
Speaker 10: no one, no one has been able to trace them down.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 10: This and this seems to be part of a broader
Speaker 10: trend of ICE agents taking action against people who I
Speaker 10: mean appeared to be US citizens. We saw this a
Speaker 10: couple like last week with and This is another thing
Speaker 10: that Brandon Johnson specifically mentioned with him with ICE agents
Speaker 10: just choking a black man out on the street. The
Speaker 10: major story is that there has been a second shooting
Speaker 10: by ICE in Chicago on What we know for sure
Speaker 10: about this shooting is that on Saturday morning, an ICE
Speaker 10: agent shot a woman named Merrimar Martinez, who appeared to
Speaker 10: have been part of a group that was following ICE
Speaker 10: vehicles around the city. Martinez was shot and drove herself
Speaker 10: to a nearby auto repair shop, where medics and police
Speaker 10: showed up. I'm going to read the Sun Times' account
Speaker 10: from the shop managers who they spoke to of what
Speaker 10: happened when she got to the body shop. Quote. The
Speaker 10: shop manager spoke with a nine to one one operator
Speaker 10: and said, send somebody quickly because this lady is bleeding profusely.
Speaker 10: I mean it was instant puddles. Police and paramedic showed
Speaker 10: up a few minutes later, he said. As paramedics place
Speaker 10: a turnquit on Martinez's leg and arm, a bullet fell
Speaker 10: out of her arm and onto the shop floor. The
Speaker 10: manager said, Martinez thankfully does not seem to have been
Speaker 10: really really severely injured. She is like she is insable
Speaker 10: medical condition. NOWDHS put out a press release almost immediately
Speaker 10: claiming that their agents who were quote ambushed by domestic
Speaker 10: terrorists that rammed federal agents with their vehicles and that
Speaker 10: quote Nortinez, woman they shot was quote aren't with a
Speaker 10: semiongmatic weapon and has a history of docsing federal agents. Now,
Speaker 10: it is worth noting that best practice when looking at
Speaker 10: Department of Homeland Security statements, especially under the Trump administration,
Speaker 10: is to simply assume that they are not telling the
Speaker 10: truth until any details they have mentioned are corroborated. What
Speaker 10: the exact situation was before the shooting is very unclear.
Speaker 10: Both Department of Homeland Security and federal prosecutors have claimed
Speaker 10: that a group of cars basically boxed in an ice vehicle,
Speaker 10: and their repeated claims that they were ramming the ice
Speaker 10: vehicle and then that's why the ICE agent opened fire.
Speaker 6: That's the DHS's claims.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, this is the DHS's claims, and these are
Speaker 10: the claims that are made in court documents. I want
Speaker 10: to read from the Sun Times also Martinez's lawyer's description
Speaker 10: of what's going on, because it is significantly different from
Speaker 10: the government's account and Also, it's also worth mentioning that
Speaker 10: there's already been some deviation between the court documents and
Speaker 10: the DHS statement. For example, the court the DHS statement
Speaker 10: mentions a semi automatic weapon, and there's just simply no
Speaker 10: mention of that in like in any of the sort
Speaker 10: of charging documents. The deadly weapon that she's being accused
Speaker 10: of doing an assault with, which is what she's been
Speaker 10: charged with, is the car. Yeah, so here's here's from
Speaker 10: the Sun Times. So Parenti, who is her attorney. Parenti
Speaker 10: also offered to play an agent's body cam video that
Speaker 10: shows the shooting, noting prosecutors did not show the video
Speaker 10: that he claims disputes the government's version of the shooting.
Speaker 10: Parenti said the video shows an agent turning a federal
Speaker 10: vehicle left into Martinez's vehicle, after which the agent says, quote,
Speaker 10: do something, bitch. The agent then exits the vehicle and
Speaker 10: shoots Martinez. The t Ernie said Martinez had quote seven
Speaker 10: holes in her from the shooting, and that agents were
Speaker 10: in such a hurry to take her into custody at
Speaker 10: the hospital that they had to return later when Martinez
Speaker 10: began bleeding from her wounds.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so this is a significantly different portrayal of the shooting.
Speaker 10: We do not have access to this bodycam footage yet
Speaker 10: it has not been released to the public. There is
Speaker 10: a video that we do have that does not show
Speaker 10: the shooting, that shows some of the stuff leading up
Speaker 10: to the shooting, from that sort of audio repair shop
Speaker 10: that she went to. It is still very unclear what
Speaker 10: exactly happened here other than the fact that I shot
Speaker 10: this woman. That's the only thing that we one percent know.
Speaker 3: She does have a concealed carry license and had a
Speaker 3: handgun in the car with her. Yeah, the lawyers have
Speaker 3: claimed she never brandished the weapon and it was in
Speaker 3: the passenger seat.
Speaker 2: And there's no evidence that she did brandage the one.
Speaker 6: No, no, no.
Speaker 3: Nor is Ice even claiming that like Ice. Ice isn't
Speaker 3: even claiming that she brandished weapon. Ice isn't claiming that
Speaker 3: she fired a weapon.
Speaker 2: Now, the Ice specific claim is that when she was
Speaker 2: arrested later, she had the weapon on her, which could
Speaker 2: refer to the vehicle or whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Well, and I will say so. The initial Department of
Speaker 10: Homeland Security press statement said that she was armed with
Speaker 10: correct Semiana had weapon. I think a lot of people
Speaker 10: took that to mean, you know, because DHS was implying
Speaker 10: stuff by saying that she was armed with even though
Speaker 10: she was not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're inhabiting the ambiguity of the right.
Speaker 5: Like yeah, right.
Speaker 3: They also said that they fired defensively, which makes you
Speaker 3: infer that this person may have fired at Ice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: even though DTS has never actually claimed that. They are
Speaker 3: trying to selectively use words to make people infer things
Speaker 3: that they're not even actually explicitly claiming.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And we're going to have to get more details
Speaker 10: and we're going to have to wait to see exactly
Speaker 10: what happened. But what the evidence supports right now is
Speaker 10: that ICE shot someone who was doing rapid response work
Speaker 10: and it is frankly a miracle that she wasn't severely
Speaker 10: injured or killed. And this is again the second time
Speaker 10: they have done this since ICE's deployment in the city.
Speaker 10: The first time they did just straight up kill a man.
Speaker 10: So we'll be following the story as as it develops,
Speaker 10: and we'll be following the continued actions of ICE in
Speaker 10: Chicago and other places. Yeah, and we will continue to
Speaker 10: talk about stuff after these ads.
Speaker 5: All right, and we are back.
Speaker 4: MEA was talking about rapid responders there, and I want
Speaker 4: to talk a little bit about one of the tools
Speaker 4: that they were using, which was called People over Papers.
Speaker 5: There are many of these apps that have sprung up.
Speaker 4: The January of this year rate since we saw much
Speaker 4: more visible immigration enforcement on the streets. Padlet, which was
Speaker 4: the I guess bulletin board type service that was People
Speaker 4: over Papers relied on, has removed People over Papers rights
Speaker 4: say it violated their terms of service. The removal comes
Speaker 4: just a few days after a Laura Luma tweet which
Speaker 4: tag the CEO claimed that People over Papers was violating
Speaker 4: the terms of service by quote harassment, stalking, privacy violations,
Speaker 4: inciting violence, and other unlawful activity. Luma there is noting
Speaker 4: things in the terms of service she perceives people to
Speaker 4: be doing with People over Papers, right y. This has
Speaker 4: happened after another of these apps, ice Block, was removed
Speaker 4: from app stores last week, also involved some Luma posting. Notably,
Speaker 4: Tricia McLachlin, the DHS Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, has
Speaker 4: claimed and this is in contravention of what's widely held
Speaker 4: to be caught precedent the Lord. She has claimed that
Speaker 4: videotaping ice agents is doxing them, and separately, Christie nom
Speaker 4: has claimed that doxing is an act of violence. We
Speaker 4: can join the two dots there. Videotaping ice agents is
Speaker 4: an act of violence to what's being suggested here. We
Speaker 4: can see the consequences of this argument in the deportation
Speaker 4: of Atlanta Area report on Mario. Mario was held for
Speaker 4: more than one hundred days in detention. He was arrested
Speaker 4: a No King's Day protest if you can remember, back
Speaker 4: back when people were doing those things, but the charges
Speaker 4: against him were dropped. However, since then the government has
Speaker 4: argued that his filming of law enforcement constitutes a threat
Speaker 4: to public safety. Mara has now been deported back to
Speaker 4: El Salvador. He's an Atlanta Area reporter and like I
Speaker 4: guess two editorialize, it would be really nice to see
Speaker 4: a fraction of the advocacy we saw for Jimmy Kimmel
Speaker 4: as someone who's actually doing reporting right, not just trying
Speaker 4: to be funny.
Speaker 2: He's not as big as Jimmy Kimmel. There's never as
Speaker 2: any followers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but he's also been sent to El Salvador,
Speaker 4: whereas Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 3: Was sent back to his mansion in Hollywood.
Speaker 5: Eggs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, for like less than a week. So I'm
Speaker 4: going to link in the show notes both to an
Speaker 4: avacy campaign and the freem of the Press Foundation piece
Speaker 4: about Mario, and you guys can check that out if
Speaker 4: you'd like to.
Speaker 5: Second character for this week is Tom Hohman.
Speaker 4: You guys will remember Tom Horman Bordizar, a guy who famously,
Speaker 4: well relatively recently, has become famous for scenically accepting a
Speaker 4: bag with fifty thousand dollars of cash in it in
Speaker 4: an FBI sting operation. Let's play this clip of Pam Bondy,
Speaker 4: who is answering questions in front of Congress here about
Speaker 4: what happened to the literal bag of cash?
Speaker 8: What became of the fifty thousand dollars in cash that
Speaker 8: the FBI paid to mister Homan in a paper bag?
Speaker 3: Evidently, oh my god, Tom and Jerry asked shit.
Speaker 4: She's looking through her notes right now. She's selected the
Speaker 4: page Senator.
Speaker 13: As Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche recently stated the investigation
Speaker 13: of mister Homan was subjected to a full review by
Speaker 13: the FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors. They found no credible
Speaker 13: evidence of any wrongdoing.
Speaker 8: And that was not my question. My question was what
Speaker 8: became of the fifty thousand dollars in cash that the
Speaker 8: FBI delivered evidently in a paper bag to mister Homan.
Speaker 13: Senator, I look at your facts.
Speaker 8: Are you saying that they did not deliver fifty thousand
Speaker 8: dollars in cash to mister home snitor?
Speaker 13: As recently stated, the investigation and mister Homan was subjected.
Speaker 5: To a full re question by FBI.
Speaker 13: Agents, that's by Department of Justice prosecutors. They found no
Speaker 13: evidence of wrongdoing.
Speaker 8: That's a different question. What became of the fifty thousand dollars?
Speaker 8: Did the FBI get it back?
Speaker 13: Mister white House? Excuse me, Senator white House. You're welcome
Speaker 13: to talk to.
Speaker 8: The FBI the report to you. Can't you answer this question?
Speaker 6: First of all, this guy's name is mister white House.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Na, Senator white House, Charrison. That surely is a
Speaker 4: little confuser, maybe against some emails for the wrong person.
Speaker 4: Sheldon white House apparentes.
Speaker 2: Theoretically, if he got a job for the administration, his
Speaker 2: email will be white House at white House dot gov.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's happen given the
Speaker 4: line of questioning that he pursued here. But yeah, you
Speaker 4: can hear Retchie. She seems to be unwilling to answer
Speaker 4: where the paper bag of cash money, yeah, has gone.
Speaker 4: Incredible stuff, beca it's easier to lose that than you'd
Speaker 4: think you. One would assume that the FBI would have
Speaker 4: some kind of tracking capability when giving someone fifty thousand
Speaker 4: dollars in a paper bag, But here we are.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a no country for all mint kind of situation.
Speaker 2: Whoever found it was smart enough to dumb transponder first.
Speaker 2: We will probably never know if they're smart. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, building on that, what Pro Publicer is now reporting
Speaker 4: is that Homan went into business with a Pennsylvania consultant
Speaker 4: named Child Soul, and that Soul has been offering consoles
Speaker 4: on how to obtain contracts a Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 4: So Homan consulted for Soul's firm during the Biden administration,
Speaker 4: and during that same period, So became the chair of
Speaker 4: Homan's Border nine one one foundation. According to their reporting,
Speaker 4: Pro Publica has called into question the extent to which
Speaker 4: Homan has actually recused himself from contracts, saying that he
Speaker 4: participated in meetings with executives about government contracting plans. So
Speaker 4: normally a government official would be bound to steer clear
Speaker 4: of their former business associates for at least a year
Speaker 4: when they enter office. Right, I can't consult for Garrison Inc.
Speaker 4: And then become procurement for DHS and immediately buy one
Speaker 4: thousand of whatever Garrison Inc.
Speaker 5: Is selling?
Speaker 6: You can?
Speaker 4: You can tag Garrison on a blue sky where they
Speaker 4: will read what you think they're selling.
Speaker 3: If this will result in me getting fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: in a paper bag, then you know, maybe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in this instance, I would be the one getting
Speaker 4: the fifty thousand dollars from Garrison Inc. In return for
Speaker 4: buying whatever it is that you are selling orbs.
Speaker 6: Maybe yeah, that's not a great deal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I did.
Speaker 11: Well.
Speaker 4: Seems like it was a great deal in this instance
Speaker 4: for a Tom Holman.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: Their reporting suggests that Horman went from a relatively modest
Speaker 4: income in twenty seventeen to being a multimillionaire by the
Speaker 4: time he filed his twenty twenty five disclosed your documents.
Speaker 4: When you assume federal office that you have to file
Speaker 4: these disclosure documents, disclose your assets. I guess the famous
Speaker 4: one is Jimmy Carter's peanut farm. But it seems that
Speaker 4: during that time his personal network increased significantly. Right, he
Speaker 4: did a lot of consulting. He became like a talking
Speaker 4: head on Fox News in the Biden administration. It's difficult
Speaker 4: to summarize the intricacies of history. I encourage you to
Speaker 4: read it. For instance, of the third person called Mark Hall,
Speaker 4: who appears to be doing some work on behalf of Homan,
Speaker 4: but also retaining relationship with Soul's clients, it looks a
Speaker 4: lot like what's happening is that the people who Homan
Speaker 4: had been doing consulting with and now trying to make
Speaker 4: money saying that they have act special access to DHF
Speaker 4: based off that consulting. This kind of builds on some
Speaker 4: of the stuff that we'd already seen and spoken about
Speaker 4: last week. Right finally, on the immigration beat, I want
Speaker 4: to talk about a case where the petitioner's attorney has
Speaker 4: stated that the petitioner I'm not going to name the person,
Speaker 4: I don't think it's necessary, was taken to hospital by
Speaker 4: CBP after they severely injured his leg on a raid
Speaker 4: in a car wash in Carson, California. He was booked
Speaker 4: into the hospital under a pseudonym and kept there under
Speaker 4: armed guard from August to twenty seventh until October fourth.
Speaker 10: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this person, they weren't coming up in the
Speaker 4: detainee locator, right. They hadn't apparently been allocated in a number,
Speaker 4: which is what you would normally used to look someone
Speaker 4: up on the ICE detainee locator. And I guess the
Speaker 4: argument there was that they weren't booked in until they
Speaker 4: left the hospital. So this person basically disappeared for more
Speaker 4: than a month. Yeah, the judges granted that petitioner an
Speaker 4: attentive restraining order in that instance, right, But I think
Speaker 4: this I have been receiving a lot of mess about
Speaker 4: a Chicago older person who was detained by ICE at
Speaker 4: a hospital, and I have seen a number of reports
Speaker 4: that suggest that that's because Ice were detaining people in
Speaker 4: the hospital. To my knowledge, the only person they detained
Speaker 4: in the hospital was the older person. They were not
Speaker 4: detaining patients at the hospital. They were there because they
Speaker 4: had bought somebody to the hospital in order for that
Speaker 4: person to be a patient. Because that person was in
Speaker 4: their detention in their care and needed medical assistance. I
Speaker 4: have seen outlets I don't should I name them, like
Speaker 4: Democracy Now got this wrong and so that they were
Speaker 4: arresting people. So like Democracy Now is one example, right,
Speaker 4: I have seen outlets reporting this as ICE were in
Speaker 4: the hospital detaining people. Nothing I have seen leads me
Speaker 4: to believe that, and lots of things I have seen
Speaker 4: leave me not to believe that. It doesn't mean it's
Speaker 4: great for the people who are bought into hospital by ICE,
Speaker 4: and sure it fucking sucks. I'm sure it has a
Speaker 4: chilling effect on other people going to hospital to know
Speaker 4: that they are there.
Speaker 5: But so does.
Speaker 4: Reporting that suggests that you can be picked up in
Speaker 4: hospital if you're an impatient or if you're in the
Speaker 4: emergency room. That stops people accessing medical care, that actively
Speaker 4: puts people in danger. We need to be really, really
Speaker 4: fucking careful when sharing this shit. That includes people who
Speaker 4: are journalists or claiming to be journalists.
Speaker 2: People are so upset, rightly so with what ICE is
Speaker 2: doing that there can be this attitude and I've encountered
Speaker 2: before of like, well, by undercautioning people, that's the biggest risk,
Speaker 2: And it's like not when we're talking about whether or
Speaker 2: not people go to the hospital for life saving care.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's just not like these are not equivalent risks.
Speaker 2: More people are going to be in a position where
Speaker 2: they would be scared off from going to the hospital
Speaker 2: and not in any danger from ice going to it,
Speaker 2: than might possibly be in danger going to the hospital. Like,
Speaker 2: you're just endangering people by trying to get them to
Speaker 2: believe it is not safe for them to go receive
Speaker 2: life saving emergency medical care at this stage. Now, is
Speaker 2: it possible that's going to change? Good? God, I'm certainly
Speaker 2: not going to say no, right, I'm certainly not going
Speaker 2: to say no one hundred percent, but that's not where
Speaker 2: we are right now. Just overcautioning people is not a
Speaker 2: net good in this instance. Yeah, absolutely, times it is,
Speaker 2: but not here because again, if people don't go to
Speaker 2: the hospital on time, they die.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm aware of cases where people with genuinely
Speaker 4: life threatening medical emergencies have been had to be persuaded
Speaker 4: to go to the hospital by people right because they
Speaker 4: had seen this. Because these rooms don't just spread via
Speaker 4: social media built by WhatsApp groups and things, and it
Speaker 4: can be very scary for people.
Speaker 2: Well, and people largely construct their beliefs on reality by
Speaker 2: like what the weight of the people that they know
Speaker 2: directly or follow are saying is true. And when you
Speaker 2: see fifty people, some of them you kind of know,
Speaker 2: some of them you've at least followed to an extent online,
Speaker 2: all say this is unsafe. Then there's a tendency to
Speaker 2: get really angry when people are like, well, I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe it doesn't actually.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I mean, like I care about the safety
Speaker 4: of migrantes in this country. I think anyone who looked
Speaker 4: at a totality of my work would believe that, right, Like,
Speaker 4: it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. That means I want them
Speaker 4: to go to hospital when they're fucking sick. And that
Speaker 4: means that people who are saying things that are not true.
Speaker 4: I understand why, right it lines up with the other
Speaker 4: things that we know to be true. ICE is doing
Speaker 4: terrible shit. Shit is terrible, but it is still an
Speaker 4: area where we need to exercise extreme caution when reporting
Speaker 4: on things until we know that it is true that
Speaker 4: I so are coming in to hospital and taking people
Speaker 4: out of the beds, which again not a thing that
Speaker 4: I think is happening. Let's pivot a little bit to
Speaker 4: public lands and think that I think about a lot
Speaker 4: that we don't always report on here, but that I
Speaker 4: think is very important. I want to talk about the
Speaker 4: Roadless Rule today. So September saw the end of the
Speaker 4: comment period. It was a very short comment period on
Speaker 4: the Trump administration's proposal to rescind the Roadless Rule. The
Speaker 4: Roadless Rule, if you're not familiar, protects over fifty d
Speaker 4: eight point eight million acres of national forest land from roadbuilding, logging,
Speaker 4: and other industrial activity. According to the Center for Western Priorities,
Speaker 4: ninety nine percent of the comments submitted, of which there
Speaker 4: were more than one hundred and eighty thousand, were opposed
Speaker 4: to rescinding the rule. Right, the reads rule has previously
Speaker 4: had broad bipartisan support.
Speaker 5: It was not a particularly controversial thing.
Speaker 4: Agriculture Sexuary Brook Rollins announced a proposal early in the summer,
Speaker 4: saying it would increase logging and decrease wildfire risk. Research
Speaker 4: suggests that the opposite is true. Cutting roads into forests
Speaker 4: provides more ignission opportunities. Right By allowing people to go
Speaker 4: into those forests, you allow those people to do things
Speaker 4: which lead to fires happening. Right, their cars overheat they
Speaker 4: smoke cigarettes, they fucking shoot steel targets in the middle
Speaker 4: of the summer.
Speaker 2: I mean, we just had a guy brought in for
Speaker 2: the Palisade fires and he was like a twenty nine
Speaker 2: year old uber driver who was having clearly a bad
Speaker 2: mental health day, called in after he set a fire,
Speaker 2: but kind of made weird denials about it and then
Speaker 2: like flood to Florida and it kind of just looks
Speaker 2: like he was listening to a song where there were
Speaker 2: people lighting fires and decided to light a fire and
Speaker 2: it got way out of control, way too quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't even the same night, Like it took
Speaker 2: like a week because like they put out the initial fire,
Speaker 2: but it kept burning through thick underbrush which eventually got
Speaker 2: real hot. That's my understanding based on the articles that
Speaker 2: I've read. But like, yeah, it's it's I mean, in
Speaker 2: that case, it's just a guy who's not super well.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 4: And like the other thing that cutting grows will do
Speaker 4: is it will change the foliage. Right, You'll cut down
Speaker 4: the big trees and you'll have smaller shrubs and that
Speaker 4: those are easier to burn the big trees.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: The wilderness society has some data on this. I think
Speaker 4: they found that forestwich roads were four times more likely
Speaker 4: to have fires. I will link to that Wilderness Society data.
Speaker 4: And the road rule was passed under the Clinton admin
Speaker 4: and it's being rescinded as part of a March executive
Speaker 4: which sought to increase US timber production. I want to
Speaker 4: note that there will not be guys with chainsaws rolling
Speaker 4: into your favorite national forest like next week or next month,
Speaker 4: right Like building these roads would have to be financed
Speaker 4: by the United States Forest Service, which is of course
Speaker 4: currently well. If you go on the forest website, forest
Speaker 4: Service website will tell you that radical left Democrats have
Speaker 4: shut down the federal government right now in a pop
Speaker 4: up but we did it, guys. Yeah, so the Forest
Speaker 4: Service finally coming out against the work left. But yeah,
Speaker 4: the Forest Service would have to finance these and it's
Speaker 4: currently understaffed because of the voluntree and DOGE based layoffs.
Speaker 4: It's not particularly well funded. I don't see the Forest
Speaker 4: Service going in for a lot of road construction, but
Speaker 4: it might be wrong. Right Trump Kelly seems to see
Speaker 4: not importing timber as a major issue. I'm not quite
Speaker 4: sure why. Like I guess this was an issue in
Speaker 4: Britain when they had to respond to the Spanish Armada
Speaker 4: cut down a lot of trees back then. Not familiar
Speaker 4: with very similar Yeah, yeah, national security issue.
Speaker 5: I think we can agree right to Spanish.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just excited that now I can finally
Speaker 3: drive my ATV through these you know, environmentally protected area
Speaker 3: damn right garrison without getting harassed by the park ser.
Speaker 5: Yeah woke left.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be the drunkest guy on an ATV and
Speaker 2: Joshua tree, I'm gonna drive straight for the biggest tree
Speaker 2: I can find. Anything over a thousand years old is
Speaker 2: fair game for my bumper.
Speaker 5: Baby's hit close to home if I I'm sorry, James.
Speaker 2: James is seething right now, James Jessu is going to
Speaker 2: fucking cut me.
Speaker 4: If I see anyone stealing or destroying a Joshua tree,
Speaker 4: I will.
Speaker 2: I would never harm a Joshua tree. I would never
Speaker 2: harm a Joshua tree. There's one kind of tree I
Speaker 2: will harm, in discriminately, into tree of paradise. But that's
Speaker 2: good for the environment. But those trees kill them wherever
Speaker 2: you find them.
Speaker 4: I think the only Joshua tree it's okay to hate
Speaker 4: is the album by you two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's also burn every copy of the album Joshua
Speaker 2: Tree that yeah, I'm okay with destroy raise it from
Speaker 2: the inn for those within ATV.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wouldn't mind if that became extinct. Why not?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: May you want to talk about tariffs. We're talking about timber,
Speaker 4: and of course there has been recently a tariff on
Speaker 4: Canadian lumber woke trees coming in from our neighbors to
Speaker 4: the north. So sorry, that's why we need to destroy
Speaker 4: our national forests.
Speaker 2: I mean, Canada kinda is destroying theirs and they still
Speaker 2: have trees the export.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: I guess one thing I haven't said about public land
Speaker 4: that you should always say when you're talking about public
Speaker 4: land is that it's all native land actually, and the
Speaker 4: framing of public land is a place for white folks
Speaker 4: to recreate. It's not the correct framing. It's not how
Speaker 4: we win this fight.
Speaker 2: And no, and you should also if you care about
Speaker 2: not just the damage that fires do, but conservation in general,
Speaker 2: and you ever eat the opportunity to go through like
Speaker 2: up here in the Pacific Northwest, you can go through
Speaker 2: chunks of the forest that are managed by the state,
Speaker 2: and that are managed by the Bureau of Land Management,
Speaker 2: and then you can go through chunks of forests that
Speaker 2: are managed by the indigenous communities, and the way in
Speaker 2: which forests are managed is very different. Yeah, in a
Speaker 2: way that one is the right way to do it,
Speaker 2: and the other two arts yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: This is land that was all stolen from its indigenous
Speaker 4: stewards by means of genocide, and we should give it back.
Speaker 2: And it's not just a matter of that's the the
Speaker 2: right thing to say, but also that is the right
Speaker 2: way to preserve those lands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the people who've been in stewardship of those lands
Speaker 4: so much longly than America has been a country.
Speaker 2: Anyway. Watch the I think nineteen ninety one movie Clearcut,
Speaker 2: which is set in Canada. But a fucking banger, real
Speaker 2: good movie.
Speaker 5: Check it out.
Speaker 4: I don't know if those two things are compatible. What
Speaker 4: Canada and a banga. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a it's about an indigenous activist and
Speaker 2: a white lawyer.
Speaker 3: Who you don't like cronin what's wrong with.
Speaker 5: He's fighting this movies.
Speaker 2: It's it's really good. It's about this like liberal white
Speaker 2: lawyer who's fighting like a logging company and this indigenous
Speaker 2: activist who takes him and kidnaps the head of the
Speaker 2: logging company and takes them into the forest. And that's
Speaker 2: all I'll tell you about the movie. It is a
Speaker 2: fucking banger.
Speaker 3: I don't go on this podcast make fun of your
Speaker 3: own country, Garrison Davis.
Speaker 2: You will all by the way, like Clearcut, watch that
Speaker 2: fucking movie it Yeah, tariff talk, Yeah.
Speaker 5: What movie tariff? Look at that for fucking segue. Yeah,
Speaker 5: rocking jazz, rocking jazz pot sorry lock.
Speaker 4: Rocking jazz, rocking jazz bo.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 10: In Lightning Round, we have huge we have two pivot
Speaker 10: points here. We're gonna go for the timber pivot instead
Speaker 10: of the movie pivot. Okay, So Lightning Round. Trump is
Speaker 10: imposing a ten percent tariff on softwood lumber, a twenty
Speaker 10: five percent tariff on upholstered furniture, and twenty five percent
Speaker 10: tariff on kitchen cabinets in vanities.
Speaker 6: Ikea is the thing.
Speaker 4: Ikea is Tyas Shay's long industry is collapsing in Canada
Speaker 4: as we speak.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so this is this is going to be in
Speaker 10: effect October fourteenth. Get him now, and then also these
Speaker 10: tariffs are scheduled to increase at the beginning of next year.
Speaker 10: The upholstered furniture tariffs are increasing to thirty percent, and
Speaker 10: the kitchen cabinet and vanity tariffs are increasing to fifty
Speaker 10: percent at the beginning of next year.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the idea that there's a vanity tariff is
Speaker 4: very funny to me, like a now, but just like
Speaker 4: as a concept.
Speaker 10: Yeah, people, these are nominally lumber industry tariffs. I think
Speaker 10: there's some kind of housing development brain inside of Trump's
Speaker 10: head rattling around as to why there's suddenly tariffs on
Speaker 10: vanities and upultered furniture. Who knows, baffling. The Canadian government
Speaker 10: has been attempting to lift the tariffs. It has not worked.
Speaker 10: Snociations once again failed today, which is October eighth. Okay,
Speaker 10: bouncing from that to something that's also very important, Blashet
Speaker 10: Waite and I feeling more important. So one of the
Speaker 10: issues with the current government shutdown is the threat to
Speaker 10: the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, infants and Children,
Speaker 10: which is normally called WIC. The RECU funding is extraordinarily
Speaker 10: important because it feeds several million people. And okay, this
Speaker 10: story is very very weird because we haven't gotten any
Speaker 10: direct thing about how this would work outside of the
Speaker 10: Press secretary saying it. But the Press Secretary is saying
Speaker 10: that Trump is going to fund this program with the
Speaker 10: money from one of the tariff programs. Now, it is
Speaker 10: worth noting that this is just very unconstitutional, exceptionally unconstitutional.
Speaker 10: Is a violation of the part of the operation of
Speaker 10: powers where they say that Congress is the thing that
Speaker 10: the levy's tax doesn't decide where the money goes. But
Speaker 10: it's also it's not clear if this is even happening
Speaker 10: or how it could even remotely happen, but it is
Speaker 10: being reported. The WIC has been a program that Trump
Speaker 10: has been using to push his narrative about the government
Speaker 10: shut down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think forty percent of children are on WICK
Speaker 4: right now. Like, this is an extremely important program. It's
Speaker 4: one of those things where like again, there was complete
Speaker 4: biparties and support apart aside from complete lunatics until very
Speaker 4: like you would never have heard like a fuck Wick statement.
Speaker 4: It's done a lot of good for a lot of
Speaker 4: people who need a lot of help. I did see
Speaker 4: a statement from the Wick Council that basically asserted that like, look,
Speaker 4: we'd be excited if you would keep us keep Wick funded,
Speaker 4: but using tariff money, it's not a sustainable or like
Speaker 4: reliable approach to do this. Just just fund it by
Speaker 4: playing for government program to the youthul way.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So, the other major tariff news that we have is basically,
Speaker 10: for the last couple of weeks, Trump has been threatening
Speaker 10: to impose one percent tariffs on pharmaceuticals. This was originally
Speaker 10: supposed to go into effect in October first, and then
Speaker 10: Trump started cutting a bunch of deals with drug manufacturers
Speaker 10: to exchange sort of lower price agreements. And also, and
Speaker 10: this is the major significant element, as we've seen with
Speaker 10: the whole bunch of companies that have made deals with
Speaker 10: Trump pledges of large scale investments in US manufacturing and production.
Speaker 10: These tariffs have sort of been staved off, and the
Speaker 10: administration is now saying that they won't do it because
Speaker 10: they don't need to because they have resear gavings for
Speaker 10: drug companies. Pfizer was the first major company to sign
Speaker 10: a deal. This has been part of an initiative called
Speaker 10: Trump RX, which is supposedly coming in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and the plan is to have to reck to
Speaker 10: consumer drug sales by forcing these companies to give the
Speaker 10: US Most Favored Nation status, which like basically the thrust
Speaker 10: of this is giving specifically this trump are X thing,
Speaker 10: the prices that these drug companies charged to undeveloped countries. However,
Speaker 10: and this is extremely important to not being reported very much.
Speaker 10: Trump ore Rex. Assuming this comes program comes into being,
Speaker 10: you can't use insurance on it is only you can
Speaker 10: only buy drugs off there. You would only be able
Speaker 10: to buy drugs off there without insurance. So it probably
Speaker 10: doesn't lower your drug costs at all if you have
Speaker 10: really any kind of.
Speaker 4: Insurance, certainly lowers that cost your insurance company has to pay,
Speaker 4: right like, if you're insured.
Speaker 5: Badly, Yeah, right, you know.
Speaker 10: And so the actual good that this could even potentially do,
Speaker 10: I think is very very limited. Yeah, but that's sort
Speaker 10: of what's going on. This is the part of the initiative.
Speaker 10: If you see people talking about how he's lowering drug prices,
Speaker 10: it's specifically for this weird trump are X thing, which
Speaker 10: again you can't use insurance to use. So there's been
Speaker 10: a few other tariffs that he's talked about, and I
Speaker 10: kind of want to set a spectrum of how real
Speaker 10: a tariff is because there's a whole bunch of different
Speaker 10: kinds of teriffs that Trump announces and then nothing happens one. So,
Speaker 10: for example, you can have a kind of tariff where
Speaker 10: he announces on social media, but there's no date. Right,
Speaker 10: So one hundred percent tariff on four and made movies.
Speaker 10: This is the second time he's talked about it. There's
Speaker 10: never been a date attached to it. It seems to
Speaker 10: be something that he tweets about and then forgets about.
Speaker 10: It never happens. On the more real end, there are
Speaker 10: tariffs like the one that is currently being proposed as
Speaker 10: twenty five percent tariff on heavy trucks that's supposed to
Speaker 10: go into effect in November first, but there is no
Speaker 10: executive order, so that one we can't treat as real
Speaker 10: as for example, the lumber tariffs, which have an executive order,
Speaker 10: although also again you have to wait for these to
Speaker 10: actually go into effect, which which would be category sort
Speaker 10: of three and four. Are is there an executive order
Speaker 10: and has the date of these executive order doing the
Speaker 10: thing passed? So we have a couple of floating tariffs.
Speaker 10: From there, we have those twenty five percent tariffs on
Speaker 10: heavy trucks, which are supposed to go into efect November first,
Speaker 10: assuming it's an executive order. We have this film.
Speaker 3: Tariff, which is the was the scariest tariff by far
Speaker 3: one tariffs on foreign made films.
Speaker 5: What are they tariffing that have to.
Speaker 2: Hoist the black flag again?
Speaker 5: My friends don't know has any idea what that meants?
Speaker 5: We have no absolutely not. We have no clue how
Speaker 5: this is no detasfled. Okay, he just said film Okay, sick. Good.
Speaker 4: I'm glad that everyone's equally clear on that.
Speaker 2: Get back to torrenting Babel.
Speaker 10: I think I think the final thing we should talk
Speaker 10: about is so on November fifth, the Supreme Court is
Speaker 10: going to start hearing the case against a bunch of
Speaker 10: the tariffs that Trump has been doing. We've talked about
Speaker 10: this before. The Trump administration has also stated that even
Speaker 10: if these terriffs are found on constitutional, they are going
Speaker 10: to continue to apply tariffs themselves using other laws.
Speaker 5: That's good.
Speaker 10: Even if they lose the Supreme Court case, that doesn't
Speaker 10: mean that all the terriffs are suddenly just not going
Speaker 10: to happen anymore. He will probably try to reimpose a
Speaker 10: whole bunch of them under different terror authority and we'll
Speaker 10: go through this whole process again. But yeah, this is
Speaker 10: this has been, this has been terriff.
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