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Speaker 3: This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 3: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling

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Speaker 3: of our world, and what it means for you. I'm

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Speaker 3: Garrison Davis today. I'm joined by James Stout, Mia Wong

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Speaker 3: and Robert Evans. This episode recovering the week of October

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Speaker 4: That's right, baby, Brian, big deal day as yeah, October seventh,

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Speaker 2: California doesn't love a good glock.

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Speaker 2: Javin Newsom doesn't love a good glock. I mean, honestly

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, it's roughbying a sig. Guy out there these days.

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Speaker 5: selling armored box of shorts.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 5: You enjoyed a sig.

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Speaker 3: You've quickly put on my ceramic boxer.

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Speaker 2: So that I can carry a fucking H eighteen. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, stay hot by cool Zone dropping next week.

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Speaker 4: You can find them by tagging Robert on social media

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Speaker 4: at why Sophie.

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Speaker 2: Why We're finishing our twenty parts series. People have asked

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Speaker 2: for episodes on how to be a gun owner, and

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Speaker 2: so we're putting together a twenty part series on how

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Speaker 2: not to shoot your own penis off. So law enforcement

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Speaker 4: I just got a notification that Sophie had canceled ed,

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Speaker 4: which I think.

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Speaker 5: Is premire with still what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Let's start because there's a lot of news

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Speaker 3: this week by talking about, frankly, the most important news

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Speaker 3: story in the whole nation right now. On Thursday, October second,

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Speaker 3: right wing influencer Nick Sorder along with two other people.

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Speaker 3: Along with two of the people, were arrested by the

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Speaker 3: the Ice Building during a protest. Sorder was provoking reactions

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Speaker 5: Feathers rested by Big Bird.

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Speaker 3: According to court documents, the three people were arrested at

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Speaker 3: all charged with disorderly conduct, though sords charges have since

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Speaker 2: I'm glad people are finally waking up to the ANTIFA

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Speaker 5: For a long time.

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Speaker 3: Quote Antifa is a terrorist group and will not control

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Speaker 2: When has that happened.

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Speaker 3: Each time federal officers engage with Antifa, Portland Police liaisons

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Speaker 3: Great work, Portland, unquote. A day later, on October fourth,

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Speaker 3: a Trump appointed federal judge granted the state of Oregon

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Speaker 2: It's worth noting this judge, Judge Immergant, number one, not

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Speaker 2: Part of why Monica Lewinsky became so is she immigrant

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Speaker 2: this is not a leftist judge. This is not a

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Speaker 2: But thirty years ago you would have called a far

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Speaker 3: the judge concluded that the legal definition of rebellion requires quote. First,

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Speaker 3: and the new National Security Presidential memorandum to investigate dismantle

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Speaker 9: We're the federal government. We are not going to tolerate

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Speaker 9: And we are going after the Antifa rioters, thests, the

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Speaker 9: initiating an investigation into the.

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Speaker 5: Entire domestic terrorist network.

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Speaker 9: The President issued a National Security Presidential Memorandum in NSPN

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Speaker 9: making clear that it is the national security priority of

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Speaker 3: His use of the word insurrection, there is important. A

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Speaker 3: day later, President Trump also used the term insurrectionists to

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and that's the thing that we've gotten from him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's worth noting mellas doing. Miller is

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Speaker 3: I'm going to declare an ad break, and then we

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Speaker 3: we are back. DHS Secretary Christy Nome has made some

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Speaker 7: Our intelligence indicates that these people are organized, They're getting

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Speaker 7: It's been two thousand dollars to kidnap them, ten thousand

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Speaker 7: But make no mistake, this isn't just about protesting free

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Speaker 4: It's quite a specific claim, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: What she's doing there is conflating alleged cartel bounties on

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: On Tuesday, October seventh, Christinom arrived in Portland, Oregon, along

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Speaker 2: Finally someone took that chicken guy down to size.

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Speaker 10: Do you have a message to the protesters, especially the

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Speaker 7: Allowed to enforce the law in this country. Too bad

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Speaker 3: If you look at this protest, there's about what twenty

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't like, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Sure man, I.

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Speaker 7: Told them what we wanted. We wanted more security here

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Speaker 2: Again, almost no one's even there. I can't exaggerate the

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Speaker 3: And this information is all into tro document that blocked

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Speaker 3: Espureau have been working in coordination to manage the protests

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Speaker 3: other locations within the United States. We must now start

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Speaker 3: calling this what it is, Trump's invasion. It started with

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Speaker 3: federal agents, will soon include deploying federalized members of the

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Speaker 3: Illinois National Guard against our wishes, and it will now

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Speaker 3: involve sending in another state's military troops. There is no

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Speaker 3: reason a president should send military troops into a sovereign

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Speaker 3: state without their knowledge, consent, or cooperation.

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Speaker 5: Unquote.

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Speaker 3: The state of Illinois announced that they would be seeking

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Speaker 3: their own tro against Trump's military deployment. The Illinois Attorney

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Speaker 3: General said in a statement, quote, the American people, regardless

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Speaker 3: of where they reside, should not live under the threat

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Speaker 3: of occupation by the United States military, particularly for the

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Speaker 3: reason that their city or state leadership has fallen out

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Speaker 3: of a president's favor. And on Monday, Chicago Mayra Brandon

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Speaker 3: Johnson signed an executive order establishing city property and unwilling

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Speaker 3: private businesses as ice free zones and discuss the deployment

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Speaker 3: of troops from out of state by warning quote, the

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Speaker 3: right wing in this country wants a rematch of the

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Speaker 3: Civil War unquote.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and so we have a kind of breaking news update,

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Speaker 10: which is so this is being recorded on Wednesday, October eighth.

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Speaker 10: It's possible this will again change by the time this

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Speaker 10: comes out. The most recent information we have is and

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Speaker 10: this is supported by CBS per a statement from US

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Speaker 10: Northern Command, which is part of the Defense Department's War Department.

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Speaker 10: But yes, they're sitting five hundred troops. I'm just going

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Speaker 10: to read the direct quote Illinois, approximately two hundred soldiers

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Speaker 10: from various units of the Texas National Guard and approximately

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Speaker 10: three hundred soldiers from various units of the Illinois National

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Speaker 10: Guard were activated into a Title ten status and have

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Speaker 10: arrived in the Greater Chicago area. The National Guard, remobilized

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Speaker 10: for an initial period of sixty days, will be under

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Speaker 10: the command and control of the Commander of US Northern Command.

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Speaker 10: So that's where we are right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is out of state guard deployed into Illinois.

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Speaker 3: They are in this borders of the state right now.

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Speaker 3: When Haiggs has tried to deployed California National Guard to Oregon,

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Speaker 3: it's unclear how many of them actually arrived in Oregon,

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Speaker 3: but we do have confirmation and photos of Texas Guard

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Speaker 3: in the borders of Illinois.

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Speaker 8: YEP.

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Speaker 3: This morning, Donald Trump truthed on truth Social that quote,

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Speaker 3: Chicago mayor should be in jail for failing to protect

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Speaker 3: ice officers. Governor Pritzker also unquote. Is that the President

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Speaker 3: of the United States calling for the jailing of a

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Speaker 3: mayor and governor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also more recently calling for the jailing of

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Speaker 2: everyone who burns American flags and an anim of a

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Speaker 2: year in prison. Again, the legality here is deeply unclear.

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Speaker 2: There's not a legal underpinning for that, other than he's

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Speaker 2: instructed the DOJ to start going after those folks.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, this is just words that he's saying.

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Speaker 3: But I think the words that he's saying are sometimes

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Speaker 3: not always, but sometimes important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So I want to turn from here to the

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Speaker 10: other occupation of Chicago, the one that has been doing

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Speaker 10: significant damage already in the city as we have been covering,

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Speaker 10: which is the ICE and Border Patrol deployment in Chicago.

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Speaker 10: There's been more escalations that we are going to spend

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Speaker 10: a small amount of time talking about. ICE has begun

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Speaker 10: detaining unhoused people. We have reports of eleven total people

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Speaker 10: they've detained so far. Most of them have been released.

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Speaker 10: But the most prominent, and this is something that Brandon

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Speaker 10: Johnson specifically mentioned in his speech, was for people who

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Speaker 10: were taken in Chicago neighborhood called Broadview, who were outside

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Speaker 10: a shelter. According to Chicago reader, we don't know where

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Speaker 10: they are Jesus as if when say they're just gone,

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Speaker 10: no one, no one has been able to trace them down.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: This and this seems to be part of a broader

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Speaker 10: trend of ICE agents taking action against people who I

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Speaker 10: mean appeared to be US citizens. We saw this a

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Speaker 10: couple like last week with and This is another thing

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Speaker 10: that Brandon Johnson specifically mentioned with him with ICE agents

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Speaker 10: just choking a black man out on the street. The

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Speaker 10: major story is that there has been a second shooting

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Speaker 10: by ICE in Chicago on What we know for sure

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Speaker 10: about this shooting is that on Saturday morning, an ICE

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Speaker 10: agent shot a woman named Merrimar Martinez, who appeared to

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Speaker 10: have been part of a group that was following ICE

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Speaker 10: vehicles around the city. Martinez was shot and drove herself

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Speaker 10: to a nearby auto repair shop, where medics and police

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Speaker 10: showed up. I'm going to read the Sun Times' account

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Speaker 10: from the shop managers who they spoke to of what

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Speaker 10: happened when she got to the body shop. Quote. The

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Speaker 10: shop manager spoke with a nine to one one operator

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Speaker 10: and said, send somebody quickly because this lady is bleeding profusely.

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Speaker 10: I mean it was instant puddles. Police and paramedic showed

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Speaker 10: up a few minutes later, he said. As paramedics place

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Speaker 10: a turnquit on Martinez's leg and arm, a bullet fell

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Speaker 10: out of her arm and onto the shop floor. The

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Speaker 10: manager said, Martinez thankfully does not seem to have been

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Speaker 10: really really severely injured. She is like she is insable

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Speaker 10: medical condition. NOWDHS put out a press release almost immediately

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Speaker 10: claiming that their agents who were quote ambushed by domestic

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Speaker 10: terrorists that rammed federal agents with their vehicles and that

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Speaker 10: quote Nortinez, woman they shot was quote aren't with a

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Speaker 10: semiongmatic weapon and has a history of docsing federal agents. Now,

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Speaker 10: it is worth noting that best practice when looking at

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Speaker 10: Department of Homeland Security statements, especially under the Trump administration,

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Speaker 10: is to simply assume that they are not telling the

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Speaker 10: truth until any details they have mentioned are corroborated. What

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Speaker 10: the exact situation was before the shooting is very unclear.

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Speaker 10: Both Department of Homeland Security and federal prosecutors have claimed

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Speaker 10: that a group of cars basically boxed in an ice vehicle,

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Speaker 10: and their repeated claims that they were ramming the ice

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Speaker 10: vehicle and then that's why the ICE agent opened fire.

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Speaker 6: That's the DHS's claims.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, this is the DHS's claims, and these are

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Speaker 10: the claims that are made in court documents. I want

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Speaker 10: to read from the Sun Times also Martinez's lawyer's description

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Speaker 10: of what's going on, because it is significantly different from

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Speaker 10: the government's account and Also, it's also worth mentioning that

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Speaker 10: there's already been some deviation between the court documents and

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Speaker 10: the DHS statement. For example, the court the DHS statement

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Speaker 10: mentions a semi automatic weapon, and there's just simply no

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Speaker 10: mention of that in like in any of the sort

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Speaker 10: of charging documents. The deadly weapon that she's being accused

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Speaker 10: of doing an assault with, which is what she's been

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Speaker 10: charged with, is the car. Yeah, so here's here's from

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Speaker 10: the Sun Times. So Parenti, who is her attorney. Parenti

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Speaker 10: also offered to play an agent's body cam video that

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Speaker 10: shows the shooting, noting prosecutors did not show the video

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Speaker 10: that he claims disputes the government's version of the shooting.

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Speaker 10: Parenti said the video shows an agent turning a federal

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Speaker 10: vehicle left into Martinez's vehicle, after which the agent says, quote,

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Speaker 10: do something, bitch. The agent then exits the vehicle and

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Speaker 10: shoots Martinez. The t Ernie said Martinez had quote seven

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Speaker 10: holes in her from the shooting, and that agents were

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Speaker 10: in such a hurry to take her into custody at

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Speaker 10: the hospital that they had to return later when Martinez

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Speaker 10: began bleeding from her wounds.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so this is a significantly different portrayal of the shooting.

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Speaker 10: We do not have access to this bodycam footage yet

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Speaker 10: it has not been released to the public. There is

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Speaker 10: a video that we do have that does not show

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Speaker 10: the shooting, that shows some of the stuff leading up

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Speaker 10: to the shooting, from that sort of audio repair shop

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Speaker 10: that she went to. It is still very unclear what

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Speaker 10: exactly happened here other than the fact that I shot

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Speaker 10: this woman. That's the only thing that we one percent know.

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Speaker 3: She does have a concealed carry license and had a

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Speaker 3: handgun in the car with her. Yeah, the lawyers have

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Speaker 3: claimed she never brandished the weapon and it was in

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Speaker 3: the passenger seat.

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Speaker 2: And there's no evidence that she did brandage the one.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no.

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Speaker 3: Nor is Ice even claiming that like Ice. Ice isn't

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Speaker 3: even claiming that she brandished weapon. Ice isn't claiming that

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Speaker 3: she fired a weapon.

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Speaker 2: Now, the Ice specific claim is that when she was

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Speaker 2: arrested later, she had the weapon on her, which could

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Speaker 2: refer to the vehicle or whatever.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Well, and I will say so. The initial Department of

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Speaker 10: Homeland Security press statement said that she was armed with

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Speaker 10: correct Semiana had weapon. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 10: took that to mean, you know, because DHS was implying

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Speaker 10: stuff by saying that she was armed with even though

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Speaker 10: she was not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're inhabiting the ambiguity of the right.

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Speaker 5: Like yeah, right.

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Speaker 3: They also said that they fired defensively, which makes you

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Speaker 3: infer that this person may have fired at Ice. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: even though DTS has never actually claimed that. They are

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Speaker 3: trying to selectively use words to make people infer things

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Speaker 3: that they're not even actually explicitly claiming.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And we're going to have to get more details

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Speaker 10: and we're going to have to wait to see exactly

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Speaker 10: what happened. But what the evidence supports right now is

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Speaker 10: that ICE shot someone who was doing rapid response work

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Speaker 10: and it is frankly a miracle that she wasn't severely

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Speaker 10: injured or killed. And this is again the second time

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Speaker 10: they have done this since ICE's deployment in the city.

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Speaker 10: The first time they did just straight up kill a man.

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Speaker 10: So we'll be following the story as as it develops,

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Speaker 10: and we'll be following the continued actions of ICE in

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Speaker 10: Chicago and other places. Yeah, and we will continue to

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Speaker 10: talk about stuff after these ads.

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Speaker 5: All right, and we are back.

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Speaker 4: MEA was talking about rapid responders there, and I want

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Speaker 4: to talk a little bit about one of the tools

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Speaker 4: that they were using, which was called People over Papers.

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Speaker 5: There are many of these apps that have sprung up.

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Speaker 4: The January of this year rate since we saw much

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Speaker 4: more visible immigration enforcement on the streets. Padlet, which was

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Speaker 4: the I guess bulletin board type service that was People

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Speaker 4: over Papers relied on, has removed People over Papers rights

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Speaker 4: say it violated their terms of service. The removal comes

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Speaker 4: just a few days after a Laura Luma tweet which

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Speaker 4: tag the CEO claimed that People over Papers was violating

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Speaker 4: the terms of service by quote harassment, stalking, privacy violations,

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Speaker 4: inciting violence, and other unlawful activity. Luma there is noting

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Speaker 4: things in the terms of service she perceives people to

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Speaker 4: be doing with People over Papers, right y. This has

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Speaker 4: happened after another of these apps, ice Block, was removed

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Speaker 4: from app stores last week, also involved some Luma posting. Notably,

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Speaker 4: Tricia McLachlin, the DHS Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, has

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Speaker 4: claimed and this is in contravention of what's widely held

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Speaker 4: to be caught precedent the Lord. She has claimed that

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Speaker 4: videotaping ice agents is doxing them, and separately, Christie nom

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Speaker 4: has claimed that doxing is an act of violence. We

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Speaker 4: can join the two dots there. Videotaping ice agents is

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Speaker 4: an act of violence to what's being suggested here. We

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Speaker 4: can see the consequences of this argument in the deportation

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Speaker 4: of Atlanta Area report on Mario. Mario was held for

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Speaker 4: more than one hundred days in detention. He was arrested

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Speaker 4: a No King's Day protest if you can remember, back

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Speaker 4: back when people were doing those things, but the charges

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Speaker 4: against him were dropped. However, since then the government has

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Speaker 4: argued that his filming of law enforcement constitutes a threat

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Speaker 4: to public safety. Mara has now been deported back to

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Speaker 4: El Salvador. He's an Atlanta Area reporter and like I

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Speaker 4: guess two editorialize, it would be really nice to see

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Speaker 4: a fraction of the advocacy we saw for Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 4: as someone who's actually doing reporting right, not just trying

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Speaker 4: to be funny.

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Speaker 2: He's not as big as Jimmy Kimmel. There's never as

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Speaker 2: any followers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but he's also been sent to El Salvador,

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Speaker 4: whereas Jimmy Kimmel.

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Speaker 3: Was sent back to his mansion in Hollywood.

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Speaker 5: Eggs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, for like less than a week. So I'm

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Speaker 4: going to link in the show notes both to an

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Speaker 4: avacy campaign and the freem of the Press Foundation piece

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Speaker 4: about Mario, and you guys can check that out if

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Speaker 4: you'd like to.

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Speaker 5: Second character for this week is Tom Hohman.

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Speaker 4: You guys will remember Tom Horman Bordizar, a guy who famously,

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Speaker 4: well relatively recently, has become famous for scenically accepting a

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Speaker 4: bag with fifty thousand dollars of cash in it in

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Speaker 4: an FBI sting operation. Let's play this clip of Pam Bondy,

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Speaker 4: who is answering questions in front of Congress here about

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Speaker 4: what happened to the literal bag of cash?

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Speaker 8: What became of the fifty thousand dollars in cash that

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Speaker 8: the FBI paid to mister Homan in a paper bag?

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Speaker 3: Evidently, oh my god, Tom and Jerry asked shit.

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Speaker 4: She's looking through her notes right now. She's selected the

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Speaker 4: page Senator.

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Speaker 13: As Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche recently stated the investigation

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Speaker 13: of mister Homan was subjected to a full review by

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Speaker 13: the FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors. They found no credible

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Speaker 13: evidence of any wrongdoing.

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Speaker 8: And that was not my question. My question was what

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Speaker 8: became of the fifty thousand dollars in cash that the

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Speaker 8: FBI delivered evidently in a paper bag to mister Homan.

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Speaker 13: Senator, I look at your facts.

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Speaker 8: Are you saying that they did not deliver fifty thousand

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Speaker 8: dollars in cash to mister home snitor?

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Speaker 13: As recently stated, the investigation and mister Homan was subjected.

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Speaker 5: To a full re question by FBI.

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Speaker 13: Agents, that's by Department of Justice prosecutors. They found no

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Speaker 13: evidence of wrongdoing.

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Speaker 8: That's a different question. What became of the fifty thousand dollars?

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Speaker 8: Did the FBI get it back?

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Speaker 13: Mister white House? Excuse me, Senator white House. You're welcome

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Speaker 13: to talk to.

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Speaker 8: The FBI the report to you. Can't you answer this question?

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Speaker 6: First of all, this guy's name is mister white House.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Na, Senator white House, Charrison. That surely is a

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Speaker 4: little confuser, maybe against some emails for the wrong person.

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Speaker 4: Sheldon white House apparentes.

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Speaker 2: Theoretically, if he got a job for the administration, his

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Speaker 2: email will be white House at white House dot gov.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's happen given the

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Speaker 4: line of questioning that he pursued here. But yeah, you

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Speaker 4: can hear Retchie. She seems to be unwilling to answer

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Speaker 4: where the paper bag of cash money, yeah, has gone.

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Speaker 4: Incredible stuff, beca it's easier to lose that than you'd

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Speaker 4: think you. One would assume that the FBI would have

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Speaker 4: some kind of tracking capability when giving someone fifty thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars in a paper bag, But here we are.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a no country for all mint kind of situation.

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Speaker 2: Whoever found it was smart enough to dumb transponder first.

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Speaker 2: We will probably never know if they're smart. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, building on that, what Pro Publicer is now reporting

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Speaker 4: is that Homan went into business with a Pennsylvania consultant

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Speaker 4: named Child Soul, and that Soul has been offering consoles

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Speaker 4: on how to obtain contracts a Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 4: So Homan consulted for Soul's firm during the Biden administration,

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Speaker 4: and during that same period, So became the chair of

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Speaker 4: Homan's Border nine one one foundation. According to their reporting,

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Speaker 4: Pro Publica has called into question the extent to which

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Speaker 4: Homan has actually recused himself from contracts, saying that he

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Speaker 4: participated in meetings with executives about government contracting plans. So

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Speaker 4: normally a government official would be bound to steer clear

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Speaker 4: of their former business associates for at least a year

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Speaker 4: when they enter office. Right, I can't consult for Garrison Inc.

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Speaker 4: And then become procurement for DHS and immediately buy one

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Speaker 4: thousand of whatever Garrison Inc.

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Speaker 5: Is selling?

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Speaker 6: You can?

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Speaker 4: You can tag Garrison on a blue sky where they

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Speaker 4: will read what you think they're selling.

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Speaker 3: If this will result in me getting fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: in a paper bag, then you know, maybe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in this instance, I would be the one getting

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Speaker 4: the fifty thousand dollars from Garrison Inc. In return for

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Speaker 4: buying whatever it is that you are selling orbs.

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Speaker 6: Maybe yeah, that's not a great deal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I did.

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Speaker 11: Well.

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Speaker 4: Seems like it was a great deal in this instance

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Speaker 4: for a Tom Holman.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: Their reporting suggests that Horman went from a relatively modest

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Speaker 4: income in twenty seventeen to being a multimillionaire by the

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Speaker 4: time he filed his twenty twenty five disclosed your documents.

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Speaker 4: When you assume federal office that you have to file

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Speaker 4: these disclosure documents, disclose your assets. I guess the famous

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Speaker 4: one is Jimmy Carter's peanut farm. But it seems that

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Speaker 4: during that time his personal network increased significantly. Right, he

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Speaker 4: did a lot of consulting. He became like a talking

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Speaker 4: head on Fox News in the Biden administration. It's difficult

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Speaker 4: to summarize the intricacies of history. I encourage you to

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Speaker 4: read it. For instance, of the third person called Mark Hall,

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Speaker 4: who appears to be doing some work on behalf of Homan,

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Speaker 4: but also retaining relationship with Soul's clients, it looks a

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Speaker 4: lot like what's happening is that the people who Homan

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Speaker 4: had been doing consulting with and now trying to make

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Speaker 4: money saying that they have act special access to DHF

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Speaker 4: based off that consulting. This kind of builds on some

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Speaker 4: of the stuff that we'd already seen and spoken about

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Speaker 4: last week. Right finally, on the immigration beat, I want

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Speaker 4: to talk about a case where the petitioner's attorney has

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Speaker 4: stated that the petitioner I'm not going to name the person,

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's necessary, was taken to hospital by

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Speaker 4: CBP after they severely injured his leg on a raid

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Speaker 4: in a car wash in Carson, California. He was booked

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Speaker 4: into the hospital under a pseudonym and kept there under

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Speaker 4: armed guard from August to twenty seventh until October fourth.

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Speaker 10: Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this person, they weren't coming up in the

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Speaker 4: detainee locator, right. They hadn't apparently been allocated in a number,

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Speaker 4: which is what you would normally used to look someone

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Speaker 4: up on the ICE detainee locator. And I guess the

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Speaker 4: argument there was that they weren't booked in until they

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Speaker 4: left the hospital. So this person basically disappeared for more

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Speaker 4: than a month. Yeah, the judges granted that petitioner an

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Speaker 4: attentive restraining order in that instance, right, But I think

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Speaker 4: this I have been receiving a lot of mess about

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Speaker 4: a Chicago older person who was detained by ICE at

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Speaker 4: a hospital, and I have seen a number of reports

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Speaker 4: that suggest that that's because Ice were detaining people in

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Speaker 4: the hospital. To my knowledge, the only person they detained

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Speaker 4: in the hospital was the older person. They were not

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Speaker 4: detaining patients at the hospital. They were there because they

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Speaker 4: had bought somebody to the hospital in order for that

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Speaker 4: person to be a patient. Because that person was in

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Speaker 4: their detention in their care and needed medical assistance. I

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Speaker 4: have seen outlets I don't should I name them, like

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Speaker 4: Democracy Now got this wrong and so that they were

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Speaker 4: arresting people. So like Democracy Now is one example, right,

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Speaker 4: I have seen outlets reporting this as ICE were in

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Speaker 4: the hospital detaining people. Nothing I have seen leads me

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Speaker 4: to believe that, and lots of things I have seen

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Speaker 4: leave me not to believe that. It doesn't mean it's

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Speaker 4: great for the people who are bought into hospital by ICE,

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Speaker 4: and sure it fucking sucks. I'm sure it has a

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Speaker 4: chilling effect on other people going to hospital to know

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Speaker 4: that they are there.

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Speaker 5: But so does.

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Speaker 4: Reporting that suggests that you can be picked up in

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Speaker 4: hospital if you're an impatient or if you're in the

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Speaker 4: emergency room. That stops people accessing medical care, that actively

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Speaker 4: puts people in danger. We need to be really, really

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Speaker 4: fucking careful when sharing this shit. That includes people who

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Speaker 4: are journalists or claiming to be journalists.

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Speaker 2: People are so upset, rightly so with what ICE is

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Speaker 2: doing that there can be this attitude and I've encountered

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Speaker 2: before of like, well, by undercautioning people, that's the biggest risk,

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Speaker 2: And it's like not when we're talking about whether or

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Speaker 2: not people go to the hospital for life saving care.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's just not like these are not equivalent risks.

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Speaker 2: More people are going to be in a position where

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Speaker 2: they would be scared off from going to the hospital

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Speaker 2: and not in any danger from ice going to it,

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Speaker 2: than might possibly be in danger going to the hospital. Like,

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Speaker 2: you're just endangering people by trying to get them to

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Speaker 2: believe it is not safe for them to go receive

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Speaker 2: life saving emergency medical care at this stage. Now, is

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Speaker 2: it possible that's going to change? Good? God, I'm certainly

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Speaker 2: not going to say no, right, I'm certainly not going

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Speaker 2: to say no one hundred percent, but that's not where

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Speaker 2: we are right now. Just overcautioning people is not a

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Speaker 2: net good in this instance. Yeah, absolutely, times it is,

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Speaker 2: but not here because again, if people don't go to

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Speaker 2: the hospital on time, they die.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm aware of cases where people with genuinely

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Speaker 4: life threatening medical emergencies have been had to be persuaded

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Speaker 4: to go to the hospital by people right because they

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Speaker 4: had seen this. Because these rooms don't just spread via

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Speaker 4: social media built by WhatsApp groups and things, and it

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Speaker 4: can be very scary for people.

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Speaker 2: Well, and people largely construct their beliefs on reality by

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Speaker 2: like what the weight of the people that they know

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Speaker 2: directly or follow are saying is true. And when you

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Speaker 2: see fifty people, some of them you kind of know,

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Speaker 2: some of them you've at least followed to an extent online,

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Speaker 2: all say this is unsafe. Then there's a tendency to

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Speaker 2: get really angry when people are like, well, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: maybe it doesn't actually.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I mean, like I care about the safety

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Speaker 4: of migrantes in this country. I think anyone who looked

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Speaker 4: at a totality of my work would believe that, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. That means I want them

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Speaker 4: to go to hospital when they're fucking sick. And that

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Speaker 4: means that people who are saying things that are not true.

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Speaker 4: I understand why, right it lines up with the other

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Speaker 4: things that we know to be true. ICE is doing

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Speaker 4: terrible shit. Shit is terrible, but it is still an

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Speaker 4: area where we need to exercise extreme caution when reporting

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Speaker 4: on things until we know that it is true that

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Speaker 4: I so are coming in to hospital and taking people

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Speaker 4: out of the beds, which again not a thing that

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Speaker 4: I think is happening. Let's pivot a little bit to

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Speaker 4: public lands and think that I think about a lot

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Speaker 4: that we don't always report on here, but that I

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Speaker 4: think is very important. I want to talk about the

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Speaker 4: Roadless Rule today. So September saw the end of the

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Speaker 4: comment period. It was a very short comment period on

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Speaker 4: the Trump administration's proposal to rescind the Roadless Rule. The

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Speaker 4: Roadless Rule, if you're not familiar, protects over fifty d

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Speaker 4: eight point eight million acres of national forest land from roadbuilding, logging,

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Speaker 4: and other industrial activity. According to the Center for Western Priorities,

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Speaker 4: ninety nine percent of the comments submitted, of which there

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Speaker 4: were more than one hundred and eighty thousand, were opposed

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Speaker 4: to rescinding the rule. Right, the reads rule has previously

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Speaker 4: had broad bipartisan support.

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Speaker 5: It was not a particularly controversial thing.

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Speaker 4: Agriculture Sexuary Brook Rollins announced a proposal early in the summer,

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Speaker 4: saying it would increase logging and decrease wildfire risk. Research

880
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 4: suggests that the opposite is true. Cutting roads into forests

881
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 4: provides more ignission opportunities. Right By allowing people to go

882
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 4: into those forests, you allow those people to do things

883
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: which lead to fires happening. Right, their cars overheat they

884
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 4: smoke cigarettes, they fucking shoot steel targets in the middle

885
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 4: of the summer.

886
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean, we just had a guy brought in for

887
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: the Palisade fires and he was like a twenty nine

888
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: year old uber driver who was having clearly a bad

889
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: mental health day, called in after he set a fire,

890
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: but kind of made weird denials about it and then

891
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: like flood to Florida and it kind of just looks

892
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: like he was listening to a song where there were

893
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: people lighting fires and decided to light a fire and

894
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: it got way out of control, way too quickly. Yeah,

895
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: and it wasn't even the same night, Like it took

896
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: like a week because like they put out the initial fire,

897
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: but it kept burning through thick underbrush which eventually got

898
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: real hot. That's my understanding based on the articles that

899
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: I've read. But like, yeah, it's it's I mean, in

900
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: that case, it's just a guy who's not super well.

901
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 11: Yeah.

902
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 5: Sure.

903
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 4: And like the other thing that cutting grows will do

904
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 4: is it will change the foliage. Right, You'll cut down

905
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 4: the big trees and you'll have smaller shrubs and that

906
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 4: those are easier to burn the big trees.

907
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 8: Right.

908
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 4: The wilderness society has some data on this. I think

909
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 4: they found that forestwich roads were four times more likely

910
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 4: to have fires. I will link to that Wilderness Society data.

911
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: And the road rule was passed under the Clinton admin

912
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 4: and it's being rescinded as part of a March executive

913
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 4: which sought to increase US timber production. I want to

914
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 4: note that there will not be guys with chainsaws rolling

915
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 4: into your favorite national forest like next week or next month,

916
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 4: right Like building these roads would have to be financed

917
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 4: by the United States Forest Service, which is of course

918
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 4: currently well. If you go on the forest website, forest

919
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 4: Service website will tell you that radical left Democrats have

920
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 4: shut down the federal government right now in a pop

921
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 4: up but we did it, guys. Yeah, so the Forest

922
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 4: Service finally coming out against the work left. But yeah,

923
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 4: the Forest Service would have to finance these and it's

924
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 4: currently understaffed because of the voluntree and DOGE based layoffs.

925
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 4: It's not particularly well funded. I don't see the Forest

926
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 4: Service going in for a lot of road construction, but

927
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: it might be wrong. Right Trump Kelly seems to see

928
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: not importing timber as a major issue. I'm not quite

929
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 4: sure why. Like I guess this was an issue in

930
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: Britain when they had to respond to the Spanish Armada

931
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 4: cut down a lot of trees back then. Not familiar

932
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 4: with very similar Yeah, yeah, national security issue.

933
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 5: I think we can agree right to Spanish.

934
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just excited that now I can finally

935
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 3: drive my ATV through these you know, environmentally protected area

936
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: damn right garrison without getting harassed by the park ser.

937
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 5: Yeah woke left.

938
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be the drunkest guy on an ATV and

939
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: Joshua tree, I'm gonna drive straight for the biggest tree

940
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: I can find. Anything over a thousand years old is

941
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: fair game for my bumper.

942
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 5: Baby's hit close to home if I I'm sorry, James.

943
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: James is seething right now, James Jessu is going to

944
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: fucking cut me.

945
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: If I see anyone stealing or destroying a Joshua tree,

946
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 4: I will.

947
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: I would never harm a Joshua tree. I would never

948
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: harm a Joshua tree. There's one kind of tree I

949
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 2: will harm, in discriminately, into tree of paradise. But that's

950
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: good for the environment. But those trees kill them wherever

951
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 2: you find them.

952
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 4: I think the only Joshua tree it's okay to hate

953
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 4: is the album by you two.

954
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's also burn every copy of the album Joshua

955
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: Tree that yeah, I'm okay with destroy raise it from

956
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: the inn for those within ATV.

957
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wouldn't mind if that became extinct. Why not?

958
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

959
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 4: May you want to talk about tariffs. We're talking about timber,

960
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: and of course there has been recently a tariff on

961
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 4: Canadian lumber woke trees coming in from our neighbors to

962
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 4: the north. So sorry, that's why we need to destroy

963
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 4: our national forests.

964
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Canada kinda is destroying theirs and they still

965
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 2: have trees the export.

966
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.

967
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 4: I guess one thing I haven't said about public land

968
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: that you should always say when you're talking about public

969
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 4: land is that it's all native land actually, and the

970
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 4: framing of public land is a place for white folks

971
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: to recreate. It's not the correct framing. It's not how

972
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 4: we win this fight.

973
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 2: And no, and you should also if you care about

974
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: not just the damage that fires do, but conservation in general,

975
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: and you ever eat the opportunity to go through like

976
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: up here in the Pacific Northwest, you can go through

977
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 2: chunks of the forest that are managed by the state,

978
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: and that are managed by the Bureau of Land Management,

979
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: and then you can go through chunks of forests that

980
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: are managed by the indigenous communities, and the way in

981
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: which forests are managed is very different. Yeah, in a

982
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: way that one is the right way to do it,

983
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 2: and the other two arts yeah.

984
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

985
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 4: This is land that was all stolen from its indigenous

986
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 4: stewards by means of genocide, and we should give it back.

987
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 2: And it's not just a matter of that's the the

988
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: right thing to say, but also that is the right

989
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: way to preserve those lands.

990
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, the people who've been in stewardship of those lands

991
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 4: so much longly than America has been a country.

992
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 2: Anyway. Watch the I think nineteen ninety one movie Clearcut,

993
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: which is set in Canada. But a fucking banger, real

994
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: good movie.

995
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 5: Check it out.

996
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 4: I don't know if those two things are compatible. What

997
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 4: Canada and a banga. Yeah, it's good.

998
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a it's about an indigenous activist and

999
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 2: a white lawyer.

1000
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 3: Who you don't like cronin what's wrong with.

1001
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 5: He's fighting this movies.

1002
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: It's it's really good. It's about this like liberal white

1003
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: lawyer who's fighting like a logging company and this indigenous

1004
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: activist who takes him and kidnaps the head of the

1005
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: logging company and takes them into the forest. And that's

1006
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: all I'll tell you about the movie. It is a

1007
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: fucking banger.

1008
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: I don't go on this podcast make fun of your

1009
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: own country, Garrison Davis.

1010
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: You will all by the way, like Clearcut, watch that

1011
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 2: fucking movie it Yeah, tariff talk, Yeah.

1012
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 5: What movie tariff? Look at that for fucking segue. Yeah,

1013
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 5: rocking jazz, rocking jazz pot sorry lock.

1014
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 4: Rocking jazz, rocking jazz bo.

1015
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 5: Okay.

1016
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 10: In Lightning Round, we have huge we have two pivot

1017
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 10: points here. We're gonna go for the timber pivot instead

1018
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 10: of the movie pivot. Okay, So Lightning Round. Trump is

1019
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 10: imposing a ten percent tariff on softwood lumber, a twenty

1020
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 10: five percent tariff on upholstered furniture, and twenty five percent

1021
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 10: tariff on kitchen cabinets in vanities.

1022
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 6: Ikea is the thing.

1023
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 4: Ikea is Tyas Shay's long industry is collapsing in Canada

1024
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 4: as we speak.

1025
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, so this is this is going to be in

1026
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 10: effect October fourteenth. Get him now, and then also these

1027
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 10: tariffs are scheduled to increase at the beginning of next year.

1028
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 10: The upholstered furniture tariffs are increasing to thirty percent, and

1029
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 10: the kitchen cabinet and vanity tariffs are increasing to fifty

1030
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 10: percent at the beginning of next year.

1031
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the idea that there's a vanity tariff is

1032
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 4: very funny to me, like a now, but just like

1033
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 4: as a concept.

1034
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, people, these are nominally lumber industry tariffs. I think

1035
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 10: there's some kind of housing development brain inside of Trump's

1036
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 10: head rattling around as to why there's suddenly tariffs on

1037
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 10: vanities and upultered furniture. Who knows, baffling. The Canadian government

1038
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 10: has been attempting to lift the tariffs. It has not worked.

1039
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 10: Snociations once again failed today, which is October eighth. Okay,

1040
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 10: bouncing from that to something that's also very important, Blashet

1041
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 10: Waite and I feeling more important. So one of the

1042
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 10: issues with the current government shutdown is the threat to

1043
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 10: the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, infants and Children,

1044
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 10: which is normally called WIC. The RECU funding is extraordinarily

1045
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 10: important because it feeds several million people. And okay, this

1046
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 10: story is very very weird because we haven't gotten any

1047
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 10: direct thing about how this would work outside of the

1048
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 10: Press secretary saying it. But the Press Secretary is saying

1049
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 10: that Trump is going to fund this program with the

1050
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 10: money from one of the tariff programs. Now, it is

1051
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 10: worth noting that this is just very unconstitutional, exceptionally unconstitutional.

1052
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 10: Is a violation of the part of the operation of

1053
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 10: powers where they say that Congress is the thing that

1054
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 10: the levy's tax doesn't decide where the money goes. But

1055
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 10: it's also it's not clear if this is even happening

1056
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 10: or how it could even remotely happen, but it is

1057
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 10: being reported. The WIC has been a program that Trump

1058
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 10: has been using to push his narrative about the government

1059
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 10: shut down.

1060
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think forty percent of children are on WICK

1061
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 4: right now. Like, this is an extremely important program. It's

1062
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 4: one of those things where like again, there was complete

1063
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 4: biparties and support apart aside from complete lunatics until very

1064
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 4: like you would never have heard like a fuck Wick statement.

1065
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 4: It's done a lot of good for a lot of

1066
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 4: people who need a lot of help. I did see

1067
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: a statement from the Wick Council that basically asserted that like, look,

1068
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 4: we'd be excited if you would keep us keep Wick funded,

1069
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 4: but using tariff money, it's not a sustainable or like

1070
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 4: reliable approach to do this. Just just fund it by

1071
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 4: playing for government program to the youthul way.

1072
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1073
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 10: So, the other major tariff news that we have is basically,

1074
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 10: for the last couple of weeks, Trump has been threatening

1075
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 10: to impose one percent tariffs on pharmaceuticals. This was originally

1076
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 10: supposed to go into effect in October first, and then

1077
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 10: Trump started cutting a bunch of deals with drug manufacturers

1078
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 10: to exchange sort of lower price agreements. And also, and

1079
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 10: this is the major significant element, as we've seen with

1080
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 10: the whole bunch of companies that have made deals with

1081
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 10: Trump pledges of large scale investments in US manufacturing and production.

1082
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 10: These tariffs have sort of been staved off, and the

1083
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 10: administration is now saying that they won't do it because

1084
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 10: they don't need to because they have resear gavings for

1085
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 10: drug companies. Pfizer was the first major company to sign

1086
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 10: a deal. This has been part of an initiative called

1087
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 10: Trump RX, which is supposedly coming in twenty twenty six.

1088
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 4: Man.

1089
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, and the plan is to have to reck to

1090
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 10: consumer drug sales by forcing these companies to give the

1091
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 10: US Most Favored Nation status, which like basically the thrust

1092
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 10: of this is giving specifically this trump are X thing,

1093
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 10: the prices that these drug companies charged to undeveloped countries. However,

1094
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 10: and this is extremely important to not being reported very much.

1095
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 10: Trump ore Rex. Assuming this comes program comes into being,

1096
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 10: you can't use insurance on it is only you can

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Speaker 10: only buy drugs off there. You would only be able

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Speaker 10: to buy drugs off there without insurance. So it probably

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Speaker 10: doesn't lower your drug costs at all if you have

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Speaker 10: really any kind of.

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Speaker 4: Insurance, certainly lowers that cost your insurance company has to pay,

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Speaker 4: right like, if you're insured.

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Speaker 5: Badly, Yeah, right, you know.

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Speaker 10: And so the actual good that this could even potentially do,

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Speaker 10: I think is very very limited. Yeah, but that's sort

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Speaker 10: of what's going on. This is the part of the initiative.

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Speaker 10: If you see people talking about how he's lowering drug prices,

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Speaker 10: it's specifically for this weird trump are X thing, which

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Speaker 10: again you can't use insurance to use. So there's been

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Speaker 10: a few other tariffs that he's talked about, and I

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Speaker 10: kind of want to set a spectrum of how real

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Speaker 10: a tariff is because there's a whole bunch of different

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Speaker 10: kinds of teriffs that Trump announces and then nothing happens one. So,

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Speaker 10: for example, you can have a kind of tariff where

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Speaker 10: he announces on social media, but there's no date. Right,

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Speaker 10: So one hundred percent tariff on four and made movies.

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Speaker 10: This is the second time he's talked about it. There's

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Speaker 10: never been a date attached to it. It seems to

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Speaker 10: be something that he tweets about and then forgets about.

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Speaker 10: It never happens. On the more real end, there are

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Speaker 10: tariffs like the one that is currently being proposed as

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Speaker 10: twenty five percent tariff on heavy trucks that's supposed to

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Speaker 10: go into effect in November first, but there is no

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Speaker 10: executive order, so that one we can't treat as real

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Speaker 10: as for example, the lumber tariffs, which have an executive order,

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Speaker 10: although also again you have to wait for these to

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Speaker 10: actually go into effect, which which would be category sort

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Speaker 10: of three and four. Are is there an executive order

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Speaker 10: and has the date of these executive order doing the

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Speaker 10: thing passed? So we have a couple of floating tariffs.

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Speaker 10: From there, we have those twenty five percent tariffs on

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Speaker 10: heavy trucks, which are supposed to go into efect November first,

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Speaker 10: assuming it's an executive order. We have this film.

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Speaker 3: Tariff, which is the was the scariest tariff by far

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Speaker 3: one tariffs on foreign made films.

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Speaker 5: What are they tariffing that have to.

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Speaker 2: Hoist the black flag again?

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Speaker 5: My friends don't know has any idea what that meants?

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Speaker 5: We have no absolutely not. We have no clue how

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Speaker 5: this is no detasfled. Okay, he just said film Okay, sick. Good.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad that everyone's equally clear on that.

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Speaker 2: Get back to torrenting Babel.

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Speaker 10: I think I think the final thing we should talk

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Speaker 10: about is so on November fifth, the Supreme Court is

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Speaker 10: going to start hearing the case against a bunch of

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Speaker 10: the tariffs that Trump has been doing. We've talked about

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Speaker 10: this before. The Trump administration has also stated that even

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Speaker 10: if these terriffs are found on constitutional, they are going

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Speaker 10: to continue to apply tariffs themselves using other laws.

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Speaker 5: That's good.

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Speaker 10: Even if they lose the Supreme Court case, that doesn't

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Speaker 10: mean that all the terriffs are suddenly just not going

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Speaker 10: to happen anymore. He will probably try to reimpose a

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Speaker 10: whole bunch of them under different terror authority and we'll

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Speaker 10: go through this whole process again. But yeah, this is

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Speaker 10: this has been, this has been terriff.

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