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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Thursday, October thirtieth. It is

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Speaker 2: almost Halloween.

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Speaker 3: Everybody.

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Speaker 2: We have a stacked night of headlines and lots of

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Speaker 2: Halloween twists. I might add, I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: my true Crime mates Courtney Armstrong, Say hi, court Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 2: And of course body move in. Who is supposed to

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Speaker 2: be in a costume right now? Are you, ladies not

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Speaker 2: in costumes?

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Speaker 3: It's Devil's Night mission from Detroit. It's Devil's if you're

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Speaker 3: from them. If you're Detroit, you know it's Devil's Night.

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Speaker 3: Be good out there, you guys. It's mischief night everywhere else.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, nothing but trouble tonight. Oh why am I

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Speaker 2: the only dumb dumb wearing costume right now? I thought

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Speaker 2: that was the plan. I don't even like Halloween, and

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Speaker 2: somehow I'm the only one iman Oh.

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Speaker 4: Dah, there you go, there you go.

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Speaker 3: Ta.

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Speaker 2: I's like giving us a little Phantom of the Opera

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Speaker 2: mask right now, which is tray scary. So rest assured,

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Speaker 2: and I I'm the dope. Well listen, not to switch gears,

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Speaker 2: but we do. We do have some breaking headlines to discuss.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Prince Andrew no longer a prince. He's also

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Speaker 2: been evicted from his royal residence, so we will be

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Speaker 2: unpacking that a bit today but also throughout the week

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Speaker 2: as well. Diddy has officially been transferred to his low

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Speaker 2: security prison will he will spend the next months and

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Speaker 2: months fifty specifically unless he is pardoned and back in

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Speaker 2: the news. Big request for Trump to pardon him from

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Speaker 2: Ditty's legal team. Also later in the show, Riley Whitson

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Speaker 2: you remember her from Murder one oh one, also a

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Speaker 2: summer staffer here at KAT Studios. She's joining us to

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Speaker 2: give us a very scary and chilling tale that she's

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Speaker 2: been working on around the Twilight Murders, a little bit

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Speaker 2: based on the Twilight movies, which I don't know about

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Speaker 2: you guys, but I love it. And we also have

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Speaker 2: the host of this great podcast. If you haven't listened,

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Speaker 2: please do Black people don't do ghosts. That's the name

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Speaker 2: of it, and it's posted and also produced and created

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Speaker 2: by Cassilla Jones. She's joining us to tell us a

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Speaker 2: little bit about her own supernatural encounters, which seems a

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Speaker 2: little appropriate on the eve a little Goosebump Central. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: we have Taha, Sam and Adam with us as well.

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Speaker 2: We hope you've had a great Thursday. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: sharing some space with us, did I, just like.

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Speaker 3: Slur I did?

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Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing some space with us? Say that

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Speaker 2: six times faces Why I dare you, I dare you,

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Speaker 2: I dare you? And listen, we have some kind of

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Speaker 2: tragic updates as well, So shifting gears a little bit

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Speaker 2: in the this horrible case of you know, missing nine

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Speaker 2: year old Ashley Buzzard. You know we've all been Melanie Buzzard.

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Speaker 2: Her mother has been literally seen and this is breaking

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Speaker 2: being reported on Ashley Banfield Show that she's been taking

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Speaker 2: case we've been getting so much feedback about. Our hearts

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Speaker 3: So the authorities have expanded their search and the disappearance

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Speaker 3: Detectives today served additional warrants at the home for the

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Speaker 3: Officials say that Ashley was taken to an undisclosed location

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Speaker 3: but Ashley Buzzard filled with like an iPhone, like their phone.

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Speaker 2: I can't even handle the fact that a mother is

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Speaker 2: Of course, that's an obstruction of justice times a bajillion.

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Speaker 2: This is a very terrible thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a good update, right, But I mean

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Speaker 3: What sickening?

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Speaker 2: And maybe she's off visiting a friend, or maybe there

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Speaker 2: We have to keep our hope there, and we're not

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Speaker 2: looking to condemn mom. What we can condemn mom for

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Speaker 5: There's no information on this, We'll have to see it

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Speaker 3: Right, well, her family did say that she did suffer

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Speaker 2: A storage for facility either like hearing that there's a

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you, that is the nice message. A mat

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Speaker 2: with the Witches of Eastwick? Are we we love that?

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Speaker 3: Are we around a cauldron doing magic spells?

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Speaker 2: they're coming. The hoodies are coming. Big, big ticket operation

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Speaker 4: Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 5: This is True Crime tonight, and tonight we are going

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Speaker 5: to switch gears and we're going to go into all

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Speaker 3: So this story, it's a true story, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: She is the host of Black People Don't Do Ghosts.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. Oh we

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Speaker 2: here with Courtney Armstrong. Body move in And what is

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Speaker 3: Right, So just to feel this up, but it is

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Speaker 3: So I dare Okay, So I just got on my watch.

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Speaker 3: We were in the commercial right and you guys, I

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Speaker 5: Well we should break this. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 5: if it's aliens. Attack is a crime, but we should

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Speaker 4: There are some really crazy things going on.

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Speaker 2: So it's also it could be a positive thing, right,

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're happy alien. Maybe they're going to help us,

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Speaker 3: A little bit. But it's so scary.

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Speaker 2: So I've been yapping about this for a couple of

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Speaker 2: But it could be two things. One, there's two sides. One,

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Speaker 2: Is this just a scary tale to freak us all

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Speaker 7: Right, So I have too. I'm going to apologize in

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Speaker 7: the least.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 7: AnyWho, these two had devised a plan because Kim's mother

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Speaker 7: had allegedly been trying to keep them apart, allegedly allegedly,

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Speaker 7: allegedly according to Kim, who we know, we cannot trust,

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Speaker 7: he had been trying to keep the two apart.

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Speaker 8: And these two sit.

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Speaker 7: Down in a McDonald's, probably eating happy meals because they're

445
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Speaker 7: literally children, and devise a plan to kill Elizabeth Katie

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Speaker 7: or Kim and Katie's mother. So on the night of

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Speaker 7: April thirteenth, Lucas walks the thirty minutes to Kim and

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Speaker 7: Elizabeth and Katie's residence. He knocks on the door three times,

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Speaker 7: or knocks on I'm sorry, knocks on Kim's window three times,

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Speaker 7: which is the signal they had previously come up with

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Speaker 7: in the McDonald's dining room. And keep in mind they

452
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Speaker 7: had tried this twice before, but Katie Kim I'm sorry,

453
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Speaker 7: had actually fallen asleep. So you're knowing that you're going

454
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Speaker 7: to murder your mother and likely your sister, but you

455
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Speaker 7: just fall asleep.

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Speaker 2: Wait, so they had their edious attempts that were thwarted

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Speaker 2: by her inability to stay awake. That's how casual they like.

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Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, come on by, but she fell

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Speaker 2: asleep instead of murdering her mother and her sister.

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Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, you will see how truly callous. The depravity,

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Speaker 7: especially in Kim, is just mind blowing. So Lucas goes,

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Speaker 7: he knocks on the window, enters through Kim's bedroom window.

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Speaker 7: He goes to Elizabeth's bedroom first, and he stabs her

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Speaker 7: with an eight inch butcher's knife that he stole from

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Speaker 7: his aunt's house and then brutally smothers her. Then they

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Speaker 7: move to the younger sister, thirteen year old Katie's bedroom,

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Speaker 7: where they do the same thing to her. Absolutely tragic

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Speaker 7: and unfortunately this is not quick death for either of them.

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Speaker 7: In the after Kim's arrest, she was actually telling that

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Speaker 7: her mother reached out to her, and when she realized

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Speaker 7: it was her mother's hand and not Lucas's, she flinched

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Speaker 7: away because she didn't want her mother to touch her.

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Speaker 8: Like this girl is just.

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Speaker 7: Beyond, absolutely beyond sure. So after the two murders, they

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Speaker 7: get Sam's mattress. They take it downstairs they take a

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Speaker 7: bath together. Who knows what else they were doing. I

477
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Speaker 7: don't want to think about it. And then they turn

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Speaker 7: on the Twilight movies and rewatch the entire Twilight franchise

479
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Speaker 7: for the next thirty six hours, and they eat ice

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Speaker 7: cream and drink alcohol.

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Speaker 8: Now, this is one more chilling.

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Speaker 7: Fact of this case. The only bathroom in the house

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Speaker 7: was located upstairs, so they had to walk by Katie

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Speaker 7: and Elizabeth's bodies laying in their beds deceased for over

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Speaker 7: twenty four hours to use the bathroom. They abided in

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Speaker 7: this house together, probably imagining themselves as Bella and Edward,

487
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Speaker 7: probably romanticizing this entire thing, while Kim's mothers and younger

488
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Speaker 7: sister lay upstairs absolutely brutalized. So they go on this

489
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Speaker 7: three day just living in the house together, absolutely disgusting, romanticizing,

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Speaker 7: and you will see Kim was extremely proud of what

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Speaker 7: they'd done, with no remorse. So the two get arrested.

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Speaker 7: They're taken in for questioning. Lucas refuses to speak to

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Speaker 7: the police first, but Kim, on the other hand, was

494
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Speaker 7: extremely forthcoming. She had absolutely no remorse for what was done.

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Speaker 7: She did not try to deflect at all she said quote,

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Speaker 7: I did not feel anything for my mother. She deserved

497
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Speaker 7: it and I'm glad she's dead.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 7: I was not killing my sister out of anger and

500
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Speaker 7: I miss her, But I was excited about killing my

501
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Speaker 7: mother and I.

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Speaker 8: Was looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely crazy. And keep in mind these are fourteen year old.

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Speaker 7: As I'm reading this and researching this case, I had

506
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Speaker 7: to continue to remind myself these people are in eighth grade,

507
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Speaker 7: and I know that we all go through angsty teen phases.

508
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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm just now coming out of it myself.

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Speaker 8: Right, It's just a whole other level.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is insane, No, this is incredibly dark.

511
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at photos of them right now, like he

512
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Speaker 2: literally has like you know, fourteen year old preteen acne.

513
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Speaker 2: They look like really beautiful all American young kids, right,

514
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Speaker 2: and this is shocking. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 7: And when you look at Elizabeth and Katie, the two

516
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Speaker 7: that were murdered, when you look at their pictures, I

517
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Speaker 7: don't know what it is, just their smiles and their eyes.

518
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Speaker 7: There's something they have the same eyes. You can tell

519
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Speaker 7: that they were just kind people in my opinion, and Kim,

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00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 7: she claimed after the murders that she did it because

521
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 7: there was a resentment that she'd felt towards her mother,

522
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Speaker 7: which stemmed from her favoritism towards her sister.

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Speaker 8: Katie and all of the family.

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Speaker 7: Totally disputed this and said this was incorrect. They just

525
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Speaker 7: said that Kim and her mother did not really get along.

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Speaker 7: And I think that that's the case of many people. Yes,

527
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Speaker 7: you and your parents may not.

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Speaker 8: Be as close as especially when you're fourtun no.

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Speaker 7: Reason exactly exactly now, I think that this is an

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Speaker 7: important note. In two thousand and eight, whenever Kim was

531
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Speaker 7: only six years old, there was an incident where Elizabeth

532
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Speaker 7: allegedly struck her in the face. And don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 7: there is never any circumstance where it is appropriate for

534
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Speaker 7: someone to strike a six year old. But it is

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Speaker 7: very interesting to note Elizabeth reported herself to social services.

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Speaker 3: Oh, she turned.

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Speaker 7: Herself in and she lost custody of the girls for

538
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Speaker 7: roughly six months.

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Speaker 8: Oh, they were returned to her care.

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Speaker 7: So there may have been some domestic issues. We are

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Speaker 7: not really sure. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 7: I mean just the gravity and the I don't the

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Speaker 7: lack of humanity.

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Speaker 8: It is just gut turning.

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Speaker 4: That's year old sister. And then because.

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Speaker 3: There was a favoritism between siblings, like the firstborn my mom,

547
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Speaker 3: I was the firstborn, and my mom always told me

548
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Speaker 3: because I always said, you like Eric more than me,

549
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Speaker 3: and my mom would always say, I love you. I

550
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Speaker 3: just made all my mistakes on you. That was the

551
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Speaker 3: first born, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I think that's accurate. By the way, that's so accurate.

553
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: But talk about being a wicked combo too. You know,

554
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Speaker 2: we've seen this in many cases before, and Riley, you know,

555
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Speaker 2: we've talked about this in the other cases. Sometimes it's

556
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: the combination of two people. In this case, it's you know,

557
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: Lucas and Kim. Maybe had they not met, you know,

558
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: maybe Kim would not have retaliated on her mom Elizabeth

559
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Speaker 2: or her sister Katie. Right, it seems like, yeah, maybe

560
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: they were the perfect storm and love. I mean with

561
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: the heck, now there's no love. They're separated for life.

562
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: There I assume both serving death sentences. Likes what happens

563
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Speaker 2: to them?

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Speaker 3: What happened.

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Speaker 7: They were both convicted of murder, and this is super interesting.

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Speaker 7: Individuals over the age of ten in Great Britain are

567
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Speaker 7: considered criminally responsible for their actions. So they were both

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Speaker 7: convicted of murder and given licenses with a minimum term

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Speaker 7: of twenty years, which was reduced to seventeen and a

570
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Speaker 7: half years later on appeal. But at the time they

571
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Speaker 7: are still serving their sentences. And back to what you said, Stephanie,

572
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Speaker 7: something very interesting. I'm glad you brought that up. Graham Green,

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Speaker 7: who was actually elizabeth partner at the time, but he

574
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Speaker 7: was away on work when the murders took place, he

575
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Speaker 7: said that Kim and Lucas reminded him of Myra. Hanley

576
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Speaker 7: and and Brady.

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Speaker 3: Had just talked about them last night.

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Speaker 7: Well, I know that body, body, I know you know

579
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Speaker 7: so much about these two, and this is I think

580
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Speaker 7: it reminds me so much. I would have to totally

581
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Speaker 7: agree with mister Green on that assertion.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, how great is Riley's wonderful Scott, Yeah, great,

583
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: Riley is, like she is such a Riley. We're just

584
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Speaker 2: so crazy for you. We miss you, We are so

585
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: crazy for you. Thanks for sharing that traumatically horrible tail

586
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: of you know, traumatized humans. I'm glad they're behind bars,

587
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: but it's complicated, you know, over the age of ten

588
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: in Britain, that's another unpack for a different day. You know,

589
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: what's what's the deal there? Do you get rehabilitated or

590
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: do we just throw away the key? Oh no, Oh,

591
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: now Taha is suddenly wearing some sort of a costume,

592
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Speaker 2: so don't try to do a last licks. Oh he's

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Speaker 2: wearing the Michael Myers mask right now. Wait, it is

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Speaker 2: a little scary. That is always scary, but it's not

595
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Speaker 2: gonna You told me to wear a costume and you

596
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Speaker 2: are wearing a collared shirt, so let the record show

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Speaker 2: that that did not happen. So no mask is getting

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Speaker 2: you out of this midway, but technically it's not helping,

599
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: so it's totally fine.

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Speaker 3: I just felt for it.

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00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: I fell for it, took the serious costumes. I went

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Speaker 2: out to the Max to get this can to go

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Speaker 2: get a costume today?

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Speaker 9: You bought that today.

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Speaker 3: I think I have costumes lying around. I don't have anything.

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Speaker 2: I don't even do well in a good day, let

607
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Speaker 2: alone anyway, So I didn't want to let you guys down.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if the costume is so hot too,

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Speaker 2: that i'm i'm i'm I'm zipping as we speak. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: God bless Riley. We're so happy happy, happy as she

611
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Speaker 2: was here again. We miss her and she is such

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Speaker 2: a rising superstar. And yes, thank you for mp in.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to have you join the Conversation live if

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Speaker 2: you want eight eight eight three one crime, or you

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Speaker 2: could always leave us a talk back. You do that

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Speaker 2: so so well. In fact, let's go to one. Now.

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Speaker 9: Girls, it's me Andy from Oakland.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, ya.

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Speaker 10: But I want to know if you guys have heard

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Speaker 10: about this Kira Cousin's case where she allegedly, I don't

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Speaker 10: know how alleged it is, but allegedly she faked a pregnancy,

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Speaker 10: then bought a realistic baby and took the realistic baby

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Speaker 10: to the dad's house and they thought that the baby

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Speaker 10: was cold. They basically didn't even realize it was a

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Speaker 10: damn fake baby. And yeah, now she's being charged with

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Speaker 10: donations and gifts from the Gender Risual party and it's insane.

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Speaker 10: So yeah, I want to know if you guys have

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Speaker 10: heard about it.

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Speaker 3: We were following that close.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I have such a fascination with people who

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Speaker 5: fake pregnancies because my thought is.

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Speaker 3: Where do you think it end?

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Speaker 4: Like there?

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Speaker 3: Do you think in this case a fake? Some point

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Speaker 3: this is going to go south right right, She had

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Speaker 3: a gender reveal party. She posted photos of this like

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Speaker 3: it's one of those real dolls, like the silicone kind of.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, I mean they almost have like a gel

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Speaker 2: like if you push their sin. It actually doesn't really

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Speaker 2: feel like a doll. It's actually sort of creepy, as

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Speaker 2: I say it, like you feel a little pudge in

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Speaker 2: like the little baby arm. So it does have a

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Speaker 2: realistic way about it. But yeah, people who are you know,

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Speaker 2: air quotes baby crazy, right. They want to have the

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Speaker 2: they want to have the attention the experience of everybody

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Speaker 2: they come across. You know, oh no, no, you sit

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Speaker 2: down because you're pregnant, or let's do a gender reveal.

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Speaker 2: But at some point the gig is up, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's unless unless I think there's this next crazy level.

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Speaker 3: I think there's some psychological problems here. I think she

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Speaker 3: wanted attention that she wasn't getting. Of course, I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, there's there's a lot and I think this

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Speaker 3: probably happens in most of these cases where these you know,

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Speaker 3: people are faking these pregnancies. But apparently has started to

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Speaker 3: un ravel because the baby never cried, right, Like, it

656
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Speaker 3: never opened its eyes. It never cried, it never moved,

657
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: it never so as.

658
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just so absurdly scary and weird. Yeah, I'm

659
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: not she told people it died, that the baby died,

660
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 2: and now everybody's mourning for the dead baby.

661
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: What It's crazy. But I think she's being charged now

662
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: with like fraud or something. This is in Scotland. It's

663
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: happening in Scotland, so gotcha. I'm not really like familiar

664
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 3: with brown law or whatever, but there's some sort of fraud.

665
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 5: I think it was the fraud because of the go

666
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 5: fund me that it was. Oh, that's right, premises, that's right,

667
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 5: quote chricking people out of money.

668
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: Right, it's a little bit Munchhausen's by proxy adjacent. Right,

669
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: So again, maybe if there was I'm not a therapist,

670
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: but I would imagine this is somewhere in there where

671
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 2: you're sort of creating a circumstance and by the way,

672
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: a very sad circumstance at some point as well. You know,

673
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: you can only imagine how difficult it must be to

674
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: lose a child. So now here you are faking it

675
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: for all of that affection and attention, but also the

676
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: glee and the happiness of having a baby. It's all

677
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: very heartbreaking at its core. You know, not somebody who's

678
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: feeling very settled in theirselves and in their lives would

679
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: do this. But there has to be some sort of

680
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: real accountability for that for sure.

681
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: Indy, thank you for the talkback. And by the way,

682
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: side note, I'm a little upset with you for not

683
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 3: talking to me about this before the talkback because I

684
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: am very interested in this case and we have never

685
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: talked about it.

686
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: There, So there, Indy, there, so there you have it.

687
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: We miss you, Indy, when we're so glad that you called. Yes,

688
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 2: we have another talkback.

689
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 11: Hi, True Crime tonight.

690
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 12: This is Erica from upstate New York.

691
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 13: You guys were talking about Halloween movies that traumatized you,

692
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 13: and mine is Signs with Mel Gibson and Woquin Phoenix Boddy.

693
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 13: You would not like it because there is a moment

694
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 13: when Walking Season and Alien on the TV and if

695
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 13: you were watching that movie and did not jump and

696
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 13: scream in that moment, you basically were not breathing.

697
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 14: But love you guys.

698
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: Happy Halloween.

699
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: We love you too, by the way. But Signs is

700
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: that the one with like the corn Maize. Yes, I've

701
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: seen it. And here's scary for me.

702
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: This is where I get this is where I have

703
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: to tap out. It's so scary. It's probably right.

704
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: Now though, according to NASA, the four people that were

705
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: in NASA right.

706
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: Now I listen. I Alien movies scare me so badly,

707
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: but I also love watching them. Okay, I like to

708
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: be scared for some reason. I don't know why, but

709
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: I like it, so I kind of watch it with

710
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: like my hands, you know, covering my eyes with a

711
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: little slit. I've seen that movie like six times. That's

712
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: how much I like that movie. It is terrifying. That

713
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: movie is so.

714
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 9: Scary she's talking about.

715
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 3: I don't remember that scene in particular, but I do remember.

716
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: I'm really bad at remembering details about movies, like I

717
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 3: don't know why, but I can like Breakfast Club. I've

718
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: seen Breakfast Club one hundred times, and I cannot tell

719
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: you a single detail about that movie. By the way,

720
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: it still holds up. I just rewatched it.

721
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 5: I love that's well, thank you for that talk back,

722
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 5: and now I want to see it because oh it's

723
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 5: not the not the alien part of the Joaquin Phoenix part.

724
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 4: It's really good.

725
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: It's pretty scary. I love m Night Shamalan. He's one

726
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: of my favorites, and he did that. I see one

727
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 3: that he's done. It's fantastic.

728
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: I love I don't like any of the movies he's done.

729
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 2: They're too scary.

730
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 4: Really, I love his work.

731
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: He's an extraordinary director that is not a stain. But

732
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: like I have had to leave a few, I don't.

733
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: I actually get so. I get too scared, which is

734
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: ironic that we make through crime all days, very garful.

735
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: I'm more of a justice person, right, I don't like

736
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: I get shared that much.

737
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 5: Is Ron Howard's daughter, Yeah, Bryce, was she in that movie?

738
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 3: I want to say that maybe she.

739
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 15: Is is because there was a time she was doing

740
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 15: a lot of his films in particular like she did Yeah.

741
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 2: Which is why she is like a slightly scary actress

742
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: to me, even though she was so good in The Help.

743
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: Oh how great was that movie?

744
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 9: We have another talkbo since.

745
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 11: This is Mila from Scottsdale, Arizona and talking about people

746
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 11: being in the attic or the basement flowers in the

747
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 11: attic that movie, the mom moved home, the kids went

748
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 11: up to the attic and she fed them poison because

749
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 11: they didn't live up the family's standard.

750
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: Mm hm this I mean I remember this book, do

751
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 3: you guys when we were little? I think we're all

752
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: around the same age I was in. I remember sitting

753
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: in the bunk bed. I was in sixth grade and

754
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: I was reading this book obsessively. We had just moved

755
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: to California from Detroit. I had no friends. I spent

756
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 3: the entire summer reading VC Andrews books and came back.

757
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 3: I can't believe my mom let me read these books.

758
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: So your mom allowed you to have the inside of

759
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: the crime Scene books, That's true.

760
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 3: I could buy it and my mom did too.

761
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: I guess we all had this similar summer where that's

762
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: where we read and apparently didn't go outside and we're supernoes.

763
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: Which is great.

764
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, remember they held all that like they had

765
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: that like platinum blonde hair brother and they were in

766
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: the attic was again yes, ever heard of incestret hit

767
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: and they only had each other and then got real

768
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: fired in the attic.

769
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: I got very, very weird.

770
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 4: But that was a great book, and all of VC Andrews.

771
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: I just I love that one of the movies were

772
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: all that good, right, Like there was a million kickoff

773
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: movies that I was sort of excited about. I can't

774
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: remember any of them offhand, but it's a great point,

775
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: great talk back, because yes, I guess that is the

776
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: equivalent of having people in your walls, would be storing

777
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: your kids.

778
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: In the attic. I can't believe you knew about this

779
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: when I mean, this froggying thing is so scary to me,

780
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: and you knew about it.

781
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: Oh scary, yikes.

782
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: I know, I know. This is true crime tonight on iHeartRadio.

783
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: We're talking true crime all the time. I'm body and

784
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: I'm here with Steph and Courtney and we're here on

785
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: Mischief Night. Or if you live in Detroit, it's Devil's Night. Yeah, Oh,

786
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: we used to go toilet. This is a night when

787
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: people go toilet papering. And when we were little in Detroit,

788
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: Devil's Night is a big thing, okay, And we were little,

789
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 3: so we would just go outside of bang pots and

790
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: pans together and that the whole neighborhood was in on

791
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: it too, the whole I mean, everyone was doing it

792
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 3: like toilet papering. It was just a really fun fun time.

793
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: I missed that I missed. But if you want to

794
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: weigh in, if you have a fun traditional Halloween. Give

795
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: us a call eighty eight thirty one crime. We want

796
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: to hear it. Let's go to a talk.

797
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 16: Hi, ladies, Sarah from Michigan, and I just wanted to

798
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 16: commend you guys for shouting out Officers Farley in the

799
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 16: Sonia Massy case. Because the convicted officer, I don't even care.

800
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 4: To know his name.

801
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 16: He doesn't matter in this. He is shedding a bad

802
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 16: light on Caps and Officer Farley is doing the right

803
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 16: thing and he was told the truth and that's so

804
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 16: important to be brave, like you said, so I'm glad

805
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 16: we can all remember his name instead.

806
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, not an easy spot, you know, if you're if

807
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: you're in law enforcement again, I haven't been, but you know,

808
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: we watch the movies. We know people in love, people

809
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: that work daily in law enforcement. You know, you don't

810
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: turn on your partner. You guys spend so much time together.

811
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, that took a level of courage and bravery.

812
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: That's really to be commended. And that is not an

813
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: easy spot to be in.

814
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that took a lot of bravery. I mean you

815
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: would think, like telling the truth, you don't have to

816
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 3: be brave to tell the truth. But this guy has

817
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: to walk into sometimes you do and some other police officers,

818
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: and I think it was very brave of him to be,

819
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: you know, telling the truth.

820
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: I just think it's important and we do such a mentality. Yeah,

821
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: we saw that in the Carritade case. You know, we

822
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: talk a lot about the Boston you know, the Canton

823
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: Police Department and sort of, you know, one bad person

824
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: could really spoil it for everybody because you're sort of

825
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: there's you know, chain of command and you know who's

826
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: been there longer, and and and and.

827
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: To break that takes a really a.

828
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: Really strong person strength of character, the strength of character,

829
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: which I think is more often the case than not.

830
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: And I'm glad we're at least celebrating that lack for sure.

831
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: Do we have another talk Sarah, who left that last

832
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: talkback loft to follow up talk back that I think

833
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: you guys might like to hear here.

834
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: Okay, love it.

835
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 16: I'm true crime and chilling all by myself with my

836
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 16: glass of wine, and it is too easy to leave

837
00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 16: talk back.

838
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 2: I need to.

839
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 16: Stop with the wine and I need to stop sending talkbacks.

840
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: But I'm watching true Cray Oh come in.

841
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I remember, like drink. I don't drink,

842
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: but I used to, and I would, you know, drink,

843
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 3: and I would call people and text people, and I'd

844
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: make up in the morning and be like, oh my god,

845
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: we need to give you a breathalyzer for your phone, Sarah.

846
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: That way, in my head, I don't.

847
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: I want to cleanse right now.

848
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: So I haven't been either. I will say.

849
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: Though, in my head, we are all around the same

850
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 2: kitchen table having a glass of proverbial wine and toasting

851
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 2: each other and having giggles to the cows come home.

852
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: But it is easy to leave a talkback, Sarah, and

853
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: we're so glad that you were able to do it

854
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 3: with your glass of wine.

855
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: If you could do it with a glass of wine,

856
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: you could do it without it. So Sarah, keep them

857
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: coming and have a glass for us as well.

858
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: I like a Brenet I like. I like it too,

859
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 3: and I like prosecco. I like tequila. I can't just

860
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: I get too I get too tired the next day,

861
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: like and I wake up with like a headache. I

862
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, I ate an ashtray, and it's

863
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: you know, like I just sometimes feeling that's feeling.

864
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, in my head, if I were to close

865
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: my eyes, my happy place is in the middle of

866
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: a dance floor?

867
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 3: Is it really in a nightclub?

868
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: I was somewhere, and I mean, and this goes decade,

869
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: It's been a really long time since that's been the case.

870
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: But if I had to close my eyes and cent

871
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: her up, that's actually where I find myself.

872
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 5: See, I'm in an old dan bar in my happy

873
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Speaker 5: place club and I was, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: A good dive bar with some mozzarella sticks. I'm good

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Speaker 3: to go.

876
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 2: That's like I'll have a mazzarella stick on the dance floor.

877
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like, you know, like some music. Here's the thing.

878
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 3: I don't like to yell and scream and when I'm

879
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: trying to talk to somebody, So give me some like

880
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: tone down music.

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00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 5: I like in a bar that ends with like sweet

882
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 5: Caroline everything.

883
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: I like it. That's where they're irish at all of us,

884
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: where it comes in a very big way. I like

885
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: both of those scenarios very much. So I don't disinvite

886
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: me to your happy place. But when many times I

887
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: have been in a pickle and I've just like centered

888
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: and like imagined being in the middle of a dance did.

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00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 3: You guys imagine the worst.

890
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 9: Let's do it.

891
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 5: Let's do it. I'm gallus, I'm a really good wing woman.

892
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 5: I am I am too actually okay, by the way,

893
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 5: and you'll love the scene here and it's fun and

894
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 5: people are lovely and it is like everybody's sort of

895
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 5: up for it's really nice.

896
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: I would love it. I would love that more than anything.

897
00:45:51,640 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 5: Actually really good and has some ribs. Well listen, keep

898
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Speaker 5: it here. Coming up at the top of the hour,

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Speaker 5: Casia Jones. She's the host of Black People Don't Do Ghosts,

900
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Speaker 5: and she will be joining us to talk about the

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Speaker 5: Black Witch Trials, the little education here, and share some

902
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 5: other terrifying encounters with the supernatural. Don't forget You should

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Speaker 2: bring on the cocktails. Party with us. Pull up a

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Speaker 2: the podcast Black People Don't Do Ghosts, And of course

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Speaker 2: Casia Jones is with us, who's going to share her

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Speaker 2: own personal supernatural encounter. And you know she has this

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Speaker 2: great way of saying sears right, so see dash ers

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Speaker 2: is kind of how I see it, right.

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Speaker 3: So we're so happy to have you here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us on the eve of Halloween

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Speaker 2: and for sharing your tale.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 8: Yay, thank you so much. I'm so happy to be

938
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Speaker 8: here with all of you.

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Speaker 2: Right back at you. So tell us everything. Where should

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Speaker 2: we begin?

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Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, so well. Yeah, I am just like

942
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 8: a weirdo kid that grew up on horror. We were

943
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 8: very much a family that went to church every single Sunday,

944
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 8: went to Bible study, sing in the choir, played the piano.

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Speaker 8: But my mom and I were obsessed with horror. So

946
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Speaker 8: even in like the third grade, when we were going

947
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 8: to get like tapes from the video store, my brother

948
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Speaker 8: and sister and my dad would get like Hulk Hogan movies.

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Speaker 8: They would get WWE Wrestling, and my mom would get

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Speaker 8: like hell Raiser, Pumpkinhead Pet Cemetery. And I was in

951
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Speaker 8: like third grade at private school watching this with my

952
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Speaker 8: mom and going to school and telling stories. Yeah, she

953
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 8: got called into the office once or twice, but I

954
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 8: was just a weird o kid that wasn't scared by it.

955
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 8: I was incredibly intrigued by it and just became obsessed

956
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Speaker 8: with it, and it has carried me into my adulthood.

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Speaker 5: That's amazing, amazing and also a very good company. We're

958
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Speaker 5: all talking about watching all these scary things that grossly

959
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 5: inappropriate ages and all of us did. But I have

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Speaker 5: to ask, how what inspired you to create Black people

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00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 5: Don't Do Ghosts? And sort of what's your biggest hope

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Speaker 5: that people take away from it?

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Speaker 8: Well, what inspired me to create Black people Don't Do

964
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Speaker 8: Ghosts is I'm an actor and writer like everybody in

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Speaker 8: LA and because I'm so obsessed with horror and the paranormal,

966
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 8: you don't get many black people in that genre. Even

967
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Speaker 8: when you watch like true paranormal series, which there are

968
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Speaker 8: five million of them. Even the guests that they're interviewing

969
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Speaker 8: are always like these like super sweet white people that

970
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Speaker 8: live in like Wisconsin a farm and like their horse

971
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Speaker 8: was haunted and it's like, yeah, it's where. Yeah, I'm like,

972
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Speaker 8: we are here, we.

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Speaker 17: Love it just as much.

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Speaker 8: But I feel like we're so underrepresented in that area,

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Speaker 8: and you know, we're always like the you know, the

976
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Speaker 8: running joke is like black people don't do ghosts. We're

977
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Speaker 8: the first ones to die in every single horror film

978
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Speaker 8: if we're in it, right, and or we're running away

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Speaker 8: from stuff, right. The joke, the running joke is like

980
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Speaker 8: that me and my especially my neighbor upstairs who is

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Speaker 8: she's white, and something will happen outside, and she'll text

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Speaker 8: me and she's like, I'm going out there.

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Speaker 2: Of course we're going out there the movie just for clarity, right,

984
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Speaker 2: you know. Baby, She's always like.

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Speaker 3: I want to go out in the in the in

986
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Speaker 3: the woods and check it out. You guys wait here immediately.

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Speaker 8: And I'm like, girl, you know, black people don't do ghosts,

988
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 8: and then saying that to her over and over. And

989
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 8: we were hiking, We hike Griffith all the time. We

990
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 8: were hiking, and I was like, what do you think

991
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Speaker 8: do you think I should do like a podcast about

992
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 8: how like I'm just this weird black girl in paranormal

993
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 8: because there's so many of us, but you never hear

994
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 8: from us. And what if I put like a spin

995
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 8: on it kind of add some jokes and some comedy

996
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 8: in with it. It's a way for me to like

997
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 8: write because everything is like shut down, and it's a

998
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 8: way for me to represent us in the genre in

999
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 8: a different sort of way.

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Speaker 17: So that's what inspired it.

1001
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: I love it, love it, I s love it. So

1002
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Speaker 3: tell us about these Black Witch Trials of sixteen twenty

1003
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Speaker 3: because I've never heard of this.

1004
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 8: Before, girl, you and me both because like, yeah, never

1005
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 8: heard of it. We're not taught this in school. What

1006
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 8: are we taught in school?

1007
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 4: The same trials?

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00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 17: Right, and that's it.

1009
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Speaker 3: Right.

1010
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 8: So Salem happened about seventy ish years after the Black

1011
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 8: witch trial that happened in Cartagenia, which I'm probably pronouncing

1012
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 8: wrong for all my people, I'm so far okay. So

1013
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Speaker 8: there were five black there were more than five, because

1014
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Speaker 8: that was a huge port also for.

1015
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Speaker 17: The slave trade. Right, that's how we have Acro Caribbean people.

1016
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Speaker 3: Right modern day Columbia.

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Speaker 8: Right, Right, So that was a huge port. There were

1018
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 8: an insane amount of slaves in that port. There were

1019
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Speaker 8: also trials that happened after that because there was a

1020
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Speaker 8: community of like free slaves women who were black and

1021
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 8: who were also on trial as well, which also happened

1022
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Speaker 8: before the Salem witch trials. But I was trying to

1023
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Speaker 8: come up with a way of showing what happened to

1024
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Speaker 8: black women who were deemed witches because it's completely rooted

1025
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Speaker 8: in racism, right, we know that the same lan which

1026
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 8: trials were rooted in patriarchy, and but they were not

1027
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Speaker 8: put on trial because they were white women. And yes,

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Speaker 8: there were a few black women that were in there,

1029
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 8: but they were in play black women who were just

1030
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Speaker 8: like homegirls with those white women that just you know.

1031
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 17: Happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

1032
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Speaker 8: So there were five African slaves. There were four females

1033
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 8: and one man. Now the man got to quit it, Okay,

1034
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 8: the man was like, hey, yo, didn't do it, not

1035
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Speaker 8: confessing to anything.

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00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 17: They let him go.

1037
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Speaker 8: Very surprising, right, because not only was he still a

1038
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 8: black person, but they were also like, well, you're a dude,

1039
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 8: so we're going to believe you.

1040
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 2: Right, you transferred to a low security prison nearby.

1041
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 4: And caught on video. Yeah, yeah, fair.

1042
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 8: Right, So he was still protected even though he was

1043
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 8: a black dude. So yes, he initially got caught up

1044
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 8: with them. So I will try to pronounce their names again,

1045
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 8: sorry my amazing Latino community. But cos Mae Negro was

1046
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 8: the black man. Leonor g Omar, Polonia and Maria Linda

1047
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 8: were the four black women.

1048
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 17: So they were slaves.

1049
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 8: And there was a pastor preach called Father Sandival. So

1050
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 8: he wrote all these works in which he described like

1051
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 8: all the African people were doing these horrible rituals. The

1052
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 8: rituals were singing, dancing, speaking their language. Right, those were

1053
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 8: the horrible rituals.

1054
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 17: Because what did y'all do? Y'all wait and.

1055
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 8: Got these people from their country, kind at them, enslaved them.

1056
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they're doing their traditions.

1057
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 8: The traditions exactly. So this guy is like, listen, I'm

1058
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 8: a pastor, I'm a preacher. I of course I'm telling

1059
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 8: you the truth. You know, I have seen these things.

1060
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 8: So he stated that he saw them eating human flesh

1061
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 8: and that the women would perform sexual acts with a devil.

1062
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 8: Oh boy, oh, I mean my question is right right,

1063
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 8: Like that's well, what have you been doing, Like where

1064
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 8: have you been hanging out? Because why how did you

1065
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 8: witness these acts that were supposedly being done with this devil?

1066
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 3: Exactly?

1067
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: This is pre bodycam and instagram, right, this is like

1068
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: straight up had to be there to know exactly.

1069
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 5: Right, this is true crime. Tonight, we're on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney.

1070
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 5: I'm here with Stephanie and Body and Taha and Adam

1071
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 5: and Sam in the control room and we are so

1072
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 5: lucky because tonight Cassia Jones has joined us and she

1073
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 5: is the host of Black People Don't Do Ghosts, an amazing,

1074
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 5: amazing podcast, and Cassia is filling us in on the

1075
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 5: up until now unknown to me, Black Witch Trials of

1076
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Speaker 5: sixteen twenty. So if you have any questions for Cassia,

1077
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 5: give us a call eight at eight three one crime.

1078
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 4: So Casilla. What happens then?

1079
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 8: So the four women are accused of participating in all

1080
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 8: these demonic acts, right.

1081
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 17: So they're like, okay, what are we.

1082
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 5: Going to do?

1083
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 8: We need to break these women down because we're letting

1084
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 8: Homeboy go. Homeboy's like, I wasn't a part of it,

1085
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 8: it's just them. I'm out of here. And they're like, yo,

1086
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 8: do a fine, go, we're going to let you go.

1087
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 8: So the four women are on their own, and they're like, okay,

1088
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Speaker 8: how are we going to get out of this? Not

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00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 8: only are we slaves, let's start there. We've been kidnapped, right,

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00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 8: We've been taken. We've been told that we can't speak

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00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 8: our language, we can't communicate with one another because how

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00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 8: do we know what language we're even supposed to be

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00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 8: speaking here? We are not from this place, right, We

1094
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 8: got thrown here and now we've just got to figure

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00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 8: stuff out on our own. So they start pressuring them.

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00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 8: So the position was very much like, okay, let's do

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00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 8: everything we can to torture them and break them down

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00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 8: to get them to confess, still happens to this day.

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00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 8: Just think of like the Central Park five, right, they

1100
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 8: were all taken, get basically tortured mentally and emotionally and confess.

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00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 17: To something that they didn't do.

1102
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 8: Thinking that this was going to help them.

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00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,479
Speaker 2: So it happens more than we thinking that the way

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00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: that actually happened, more than we think, more.

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00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 17: Than you think.

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00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 8: And it happens, I will say, it doesn't just happen. Yes,

1107
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 8: doesn't happen to black people in extraordinary numbers. Yes, but

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00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 8: you could turn on line and you can see so many,

1109
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 8: you know, white kids and white men who have confessed

1110
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 8: to crimes they never did as well.

1111
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: So true.

1112
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 8: So the first one to confess and break down is Leonora.

1113
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 8: Leonora's like, okay, listen, yes, me and my girls. You

1114
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 8: know we were up in there. We were hanging out

1115
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 8: with this black devil and we were just like doing stuff.

1116
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 8: But she's like, hold on, I'm not the leader. The

1117
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 8: person who brought me into it was Geomar, which I'm

1118
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 8: probably pronouncing correctly, and Marie Linde. She's like, listen, those

1119
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 8: two are who you really wants, right, She's like, listen,

1120
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 8: we were girls, but also I got to protect myself, right,

1121
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 8: like do whatever you're do the worst to them and

1122
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 8: and let me try and save myself, because what are

1123
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 8: you going to do. She tells them that they initiated

1124
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 8: her into it and that she was terrified, and basically

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 8: the girl just didn't want to die alone because they're

1126
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 8: all like, we're all going to die, So I got

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00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 8: to take I'm gonna take my girls with me because

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00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 8: death is better than whatever it is that we're going

1129
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 8: through here.

1130
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: A little, but what they are going through.

1131
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 8: The exactly death would be better. I mean, think about

1132
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 8: you know, you've been taken on this shift, you're in place,

1133
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 8: what what what?

1134
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 17: What else?

1135
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 3: I don't even know? Right, Yeah, you're right, death is

1136
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: is likely.

1137
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 17: Death is better. Death is better.

1138
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 8: And so hysteria, much like in The Sane Witch Child,

1139
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 8: rises quickly, right, but it's rising within the community very fast.

1140
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 8: And they're like, listen, we.

1141
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 17: Got to get these girls.

1142
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 8: Not only are they black and not only are they plays,

1143
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 8: but they're witches and they're hanging out with.

1144
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 17: The Devil in the woods.

1145
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 8: So they're cue and they had to appear before the

1146
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 8: Holy office in Cartagenia, and Geomar is like, you know, wait,

1147
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 8: hold on, I got somebody else's name, but I can

1148
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 8: drop right now. And then that's when she drops Polonio

1149
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 8: polonia excuse me. And that's how Cosmo Negro gets in it.

1150
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 8: Oh and he's like, hold on, I don't even hang

1151
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 8: out with them like that.

1152
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 3: I don't even know them, right, lose my number?

1153
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know these cats, right yeah?

1154
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 3: No, no, well I.

1155
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 8: Don't know girls like I don't hang out with them

1156
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 8: like that, Like we're not chilling. So they're all taken, right,

1157
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 8: they're kidnapped, they're enslaved, they're in Saane, they don't speak

1158
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 8: perfect Spanish. They're just learning, you know, whatever they could

1159
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 8: learn at the time, which keep in mind, people are

1160
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 8: telling them the things that they should be saying and doing,

1161
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 8: so they don't even know if they're learning the exactly

1162
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 8: they're just repeating because how would they know, right. Yeah,

1163
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 8: So they're all accused and the things that they're also

1164
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 8: one of the things that really got to me is

1165
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 8: that they were accused of flying to secret meetings with

1166
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 8: the devil.

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01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so.

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01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 8: You're telling me these women who were enslaved instead of

1169
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 8: flying out over there and flying away forever, decided to

1170
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 8: just fly around the woods with the devil, hangout.

1171
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 17: And then come back and be slaved.

1172
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: Sounds yeah, that sounds about right right wild.

1173
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 17: Impossible.

1174
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 8: So that's what they were being accused of, and that

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01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 8: it just got worse and worse. So GMR confesses that

1176
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 8: she was baptized as a Christian. But they're like, okay, fine,

1177
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 8: start saying some prayers and she's like, I don't know

1178
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 8: any prayers. And she's like, I hang out in the

1179
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 8: mind because I'm a slave and I didn't learn prayers.

1180
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 8: That was her excuse. So they start trying to come

1181
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 8: up with different stories and outdo each other on their stories, right,

1182
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 8: because they're all trying to save themselves at this point,

1183
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 8: or just say, hey, we're.

1184
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 17: All going to die anyways. We don't want to be.

1185
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 8: Slaves, we don't want to be here, so let's just

1186
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 8: tell the most fantastical things. Confess to everything, because these

1187
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 8: men are not going to let us go. So Leonor

1188
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 8: is under pressure from the Spanish inquisition. She confesses first GMR, next,

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01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 8: then Maria Linda and Polonia. Now Polonia had been tortured,

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01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 8: so her confess.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, I'm gonna pause you right there because

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Speaker 5: music's coming in. But listen, stick around because after the

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Speaker 5: commercial break, Cassia is going to finish what is happening

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01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 5: with these Black Witch Trials of sixteen twenty. We have that,

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Speaker 5: and we have more paranormal stories coming up later. True

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Speaker 5: Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: my pre Halloween true crime mates Courtney Armstrong, who has

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Speaker 2: just had her hands live in the air big time,

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01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: and of course our body move in and listen.

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Speaker 3: We've been talking about.

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Speaker 2: Some scary things like the Black Witch Trials from yesteryear.

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01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 2: We have Casia Jones here with us. She hosts and

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01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: created the podcasts People Don't Do Ghosts, which is probably

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01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: slightly accurate because well, we know that I would be

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Speaker 2: the first to die in whatever said ghost movie is.

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 2: We already know that that's not even the movie, that's

1209
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: like the opening credits, but just that you know, these

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01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 2: stories that you share are harrowing, and also then we'll

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Speaker 2: get to your personal one as well. So we were

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Speaker 2: knee deep in these free Salem witch trials. This is

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Speaker 2: seventy years prior, so going back in time, edge of

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Speaker 2: our seat, Sorry that we had to cut you off

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Speaker 2: with the commercial, but we are back and ready to

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Speaker 2: hear more.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. So towards the end, right, they all describe all

1218
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 8: these things that they've been doing, like they've been fucking

1219
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 8: blood from the navel of children. They say that the

1220
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 8: devil told them. Then one of them, Leonora's like no, no, no,

1221
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 8: hold up, no, remember the devil told us don't harm children,

1222
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 8: but actually harmed Christians. And then the Spaniards wanted to

1223
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 8: portray these black witches and their leader, which is the

1224
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 8: Black Devil as you know, children murdering, you know, Christian

1225
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 8: sacrificing cannibals, and none of that was going over going

1226
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 8: on in that country until they got there, right, Like,

1227
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 8: nobody's murdering anybody, nobody was hurting anybody. It was these

1228
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 8: black slaves, black witches, who made all this happen. And

1229
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 8: so the Spaniards got them to confess, you know. So,

1230
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 8: but before the which trial ends, they're like, okay, we're

1231
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 8: actually not going to kill you, because keep in mind

1232
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 8: these are also their slaves. They are helping them right,

1233
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 8: they are property. So they're like, well, listen, we went

1234
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 8: through all this because we need people to fear you.

1235
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 8: We need you to be the fear that we all see.

1236
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 8: We need your skin to be feared. We need your

1237
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 8: hair to be feared. We need your voice to be feared,

1238
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 8: because your songs are feared. We need you're dancing to

1239
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 8: be feared. We need any rituals that you've been doing

1240
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 8: from Africa that you brought here. We need everything about

1241
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 8: you to be the booby Nan talk about yeah, talk

1242
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 8: about evil, and that's exactly what they did. And they

1243
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 8: don't kill them, right, So they make them confess to

1244
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 8: all these things, and they're like, all right, you can

1245
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 8: confess and we will not kill you, but you have

1246
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 8: to say that you all did this on your own,

1247
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 8: that this actually is the black Devil didn't make you

1248
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,959
Speaker 8: do it. You decided to do all this on your own. Well,

1249
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 8: then here comes patriarchy again, right, because they let Cosmo

1250
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 8: Negro go and they're like, you know what, yo, there

1251
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 8: is a black devil, but hey, he's not he's not

1252
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 8: the actual root of this. That man gets to go

1253
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 8: get get off too, right.

1254
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 3: Right, it was all.

1255
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 8: It was all the black women.

1256
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 17: It was just them. So Maria Linda comply and she says, you.

1257
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 8: Know, I adored the demon and I am the witch.

1258
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 17: Polonia complies, and.

1259
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 8: It was said that she said that she did this

1260
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 8: of her own free will. And all four of the

1261
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 8: enslaved black wishes, which is, they petitioned for pardon and mercy.

1262
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 8: The court agrees to use mercy, and the women were

1263
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 8: sentenced to wear basically like a scarlet letter, right, like

1264
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 8: a pentitular garb forever. And so just think of it

1265
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 8: like the scarlet letter. And it was a robe of

1266
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 8: clothing that lets the world know that they practiced in

1267
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 8: religious hearsay. So they had to be enslaved, right, they

1268
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 8: had to be feared, and then they had to wear

1269
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 8: this robe. So not only is it like okay, we

1270
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 8: hate your song, we d your voice, we ate your skin,

1271
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 8: and we hit your dance at your hair. Let's make

1272
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 8: it even worse, and let's put this robond so everybody

1273
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 8: knows that this is what you did forever.

1274
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 3: Wow.

1275
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 8: So they're sentenced to jail, right, they're sentenced to jail,

1276
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 8: but Leon gets one year because remember she sold out

1277
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 8: everybody else. She's like, hey, these are the hobbies, but

1278
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 8: I don't know like that. So she sells them out.

1279
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 17: She gets a year.

1280
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 8: The other ones get jailed, but then they are sentenced

1281
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 8: to perpetual jail in the inquisition prison. But I mean

1282
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 8: they're already in jail, they're already, Yeah.

1283
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 3: They're already slaves. Like, oh my gosh, these women trial,

1284
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 3: what ending is it?

1285
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 8: They're like the perpetual perpetual in the road that they

1286
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 8: have to wear.

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01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, right, like a million degrees.

1288
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a million degrees, okay, And you know they

1289
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 8: still made them work in the jail, chilling all day

1290
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 8: in these No they're not.

1291
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not relaxing.

1292
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 8: Spots right right, And so witchcraft was the primary charge

1293
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 8: against them and against mostly women are actually in that

1294
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 8: jurisdiction and surrounding cities, and it would what it does

1295
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 8: is just that's how the cultural practices of Africans became

1296
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 8: seeing you know, they're they're singing, the dancing. I'm gonna

1297
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 8: say our our singing, our dancing, our just ceremony. Right,

1298
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 8: they were deemed as inherently demonic in nature. So it's like,

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Speaker 8: how do you make everybody hate somebody even if you're

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Speaker 8: not religious. You tell somebody they're with the devil.

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Speaker 3: And I wonder how long that story was told generation

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Speaker 3: to generation to generation of Colombians after that, and if

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Speaker 3: they were like, oh, though, remember those black women they're

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Speaker 3: evil you know what I mean? Like, I wonder how

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Speaker 3: long that perpetuated? So interesting and what it's.

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Speaker 8: Been sun into, right, because now it's very much like, oh,

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Speaker 8: black people feel exactly a people that you know the

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Speaker 8: right where we're angry, where you know we've pacticedo.

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Speaker 4: That's the big.

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Speaker 17: One, right right?

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Speaker 3: Wow, this is this is really fascinating. This is true

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Speaker 3: Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 3: I'm here with Stephanie. This is Body Courtney, and we

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Speaker 3: have a wonderful special guest. This is Cassia Jones. She's

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Speaker 3: the creator and producer of Black People Don't Do Ghosts.

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Speaker 3: It's a podcast exploring real paranormal encounters and the cultural

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Speaker 3: side of the supernatural in the black community. Now, Casilla,

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Speaker 3: let's talk about you. Now, I understand you're a seer.

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Speaker 3: What is that like? And it runs in your family

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Speaker 3: through your grandmother who you call nanny? Is that right?

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Speaker 3: How does that ability manifest?

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Speaker 17: What does it mean, Well, it's all.

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Speaker 8: It could be very subjective because some people who feel

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Speaker 8: that they are fears of see spirits, they see people

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Speaker 8: or as they see you know, they some people feel

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Speaker 8: that they are pike. You can they can see the future.

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Speaker 8: For me, my nanny, which is grandma, we say nanny

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Speaker 8: for grandmother. On my mom's side, my nanny could see spirits.

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Speaker 8: She could talk to spirits, and so could her mother,

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Speaker 8: my great grandmother, my great nanny, which I never met.

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Speaker 17: She passed away.

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Speaker 8: My mom could too, but she was terrified of it,

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Speaker 8: and so she didn't even allow me to talk to

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Speaker 8: her about it.

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Speaker 17: I had to call nanny and talk to Nanny about.

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Speaker 8: It because my mom felt like if you even talked

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01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 8: to her, she might see something and she didn't want

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Speaker 8: to go there.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, she was scared.

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Speaker 4: The first thing.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I'm so interested.

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Speaker 3: Stephanie's all in.

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01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: I want to be a seer.

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Speaker 4: She does.

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01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't have any seeing ability, but I

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01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 2: like the idea of it, and.

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01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 3: I believe I would be too scared. I'm not scared.

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01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 3: I'm scared to ask a question.

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 2: That's something I'm not scared about anything.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So I by the way, I was so excited

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 5: when I had seen that you were coming on the

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Speaker 5: show and the title of your podcast black people don't

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Speaker 5: do ghosts.

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Speaker 4: So I did, as Stephanie knows, about.

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Speaker 2: A million, maybe a million, three thousand, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Literally years of a show called My ghost Story. And

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 5: I was laughing to myself, Oh my god, I love

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Speaker 5: that show.

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Speaker 2: Recordy did every episode, every episode eighty thousand, five hundred

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Speaker 2: million episodes before I met her, and so we met.

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Speaker 8: Actually, there's no black people on this show.

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Speaker 4: Well that's okay, So this is where I'm leaning.

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Speaker 3: I was laughing to my just this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was laughing when you said, it's all these

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01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 5: white people and on their farms, and I'm thinking, like

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Speaker 5: in the Eda Bay, how many snowy farm scenes with

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01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 5: these white people from Kansas And there were so much

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Speaker 5: no black people on our show. That a guy I

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Speaker 5: worked with, Mike O. Dare, who's fabulous. Yeah, he went

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Speaker 5: on to create a show called Ghosts in the Hood,

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Speaker 5: which was the opp yeah, to rectify. But anyway, I

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Speaker 5: just I love, I love that you are doing this

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Speaker 5: because you are so right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting and it's even in your hyme. There's

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Speaker 3: not a lot of black women in your crime. It's

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Speaker 3: not apathetic.

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Speaker 2: There's also you know, listen, there's a lot of white

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01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: male killers.

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Speaker 3: For whatever that's worth. For whatever that's worth, we're going

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01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 3: to go in like.

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01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 2: Status instead, you know, like stats. That's not a great one.

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Speaker 2: That is not a great Yeah. By the way, a

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01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 2: thousand years ago, I used to work in dating shows,

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 2: in dating shows, like blind dating type shows, and it

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01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 2: was always the white girl that was like, and by

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01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: the way, I speak for myself, this would be me

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Speaker 2: on that dating show. Really, yeah, that sounds great, like

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01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 2: the Last Man Standing in Dumb Police. But it was

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Speaker 2: always it was always the black girl that was like,

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Speaker 2: I call bullshit right away, I call BS right now,

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01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 2: this is BS. I can call it instead. And it

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01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 2: was laugh out loud because like it was always just

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01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 2: something about this doesn't feel right, if it was a

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01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 2: ruse or like some sort of like a gag, and

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01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 2: it was the greatest reaction. So you know, I don't

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01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: know what that says, but saying it out loud.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm dying.

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01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 5: I taha mentioned but didn't give any details.

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Speaker 4: What happened in college.

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Speaker 5: There was an experience something an object moved am I

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01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 5: getting any details right.

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Speaker 17: Yes, yes, So.

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Speaker 8: To anyone if you have somebody in your life who

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Speaker 8: was a negative, you know negative. In this instance, it

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01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 8: was a very horrible boyfriend that I had that was

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01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 8: abusive in college, and everything in my life started just

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 8: going downhill. As soon as that guy entered my life,

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01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 8: I was like failing every class. I was barely eating,

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01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 8: like it was just not me. Everything was just bad.

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Speaker 8: It's like very bad. And anyways, so lock story short,

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Speaker 8: my mom used to give us these gag Christmas gifts

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Speaker 8: in our stockings, even when we were adults, and she

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Speaker 8: would put little kid toys in there. And that was

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01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 8: the time around where like the movie The Bugs Life

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01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 8: was out and all those cool animated films that come

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 8: out that were supposed to be for kids, but we were.

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Speaker 17: Totally into them.

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01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 8: And she bought me a bunch of those little Bugs

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01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 8: Life figurine and one figurine every single day for like

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Speaker 8: a week when I would come back to my apartment.

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Speaker 8: My apartment, we all had locks on our doors. So

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Speaker 8: I shared an apartment on campus, not a dorm room

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Speaker 8: and apartment, so it was a three bedroom apartment and

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Speaker 8: all of us would lock our doors whenever we left

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Speaker 8: because I mean, I don't know you, right. Whenever I

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01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 8: would come back after I was when I was dating

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01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 8: this like psychopath, one of my figurines would always be

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Speaker 8: knocked down. Keep in mind this was a like Calse Domingaz.

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Speaker 8: They were building the stadium that they have now, so

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Speaker 8: there was like field mice everywhere, and so I'm just thinking,

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Speaker 8: oh gross, I'd probably have a mouth in here. And

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Speaker 8: no one night, I was very just like again, didn't

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Speaker 8: go to class, crying, just horrible, trying to think of

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Speaker 8: how I can get away from this person. And all

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Speaker 8: of a sudden, I just started. The room got even

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Speaker 8: darker than it already was. I sleep in complete darkness.

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Speaker 17: Like black.

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Speaker 8: I don't have a light on anywhere, okay, so it

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01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 8: was so dark in my room, nothing was on. And

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01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 8: then all of a sudden, the room got hot, and

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01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 8: I mean my hot, like a sauna, and I started

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01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 8: dripping sweat down my skin, and I knew something was

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01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 8: in the room. So I got very quiet, and I

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Speaker 8: looked from underneath the cover because I was so that

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01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 8: did actually put a little bit of fear into me.

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Speaker 8: So I did put the cover just a little bit

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01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 8: over my eyes because I wanted to see what was there,

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01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 8: but I was also kind of terrified. Anyways, I see it.

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Speaker 8: It's this huge figure. It's almost to the ceiling of

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Speaker 8: my room, and it has a huge, a long case

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Speaker 8: with a big collar.

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01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 2: I gotta god, the collar is so scary.

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01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 3: And the big figure wait, yeah.

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Speaker 7: This is.

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01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 8: And the figure is facing all those little figuring and

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01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 8: picking them up and letting them fall back down.

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Speaker 11: Oh.

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01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 8: And I did like a little whimper, and it turns

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01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 8: its head just, you know, to the side to look

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01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 8: at me to see if I'm looking.

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01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 17: And I knew I couldn't let it.

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01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,879
Speaker 8: Know that I see it, and tears were just falling,

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01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 8: and I was terrified. But my nanny told me a

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01:16:55,640 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 8: prayer to pray when an evil and tea is near you,

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01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 8: and I just was saying it in my head and

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Speaker 8: just barely whispering it over and over and over, and

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Speaker 8: I just closed my eyes.

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Speaker 17: And that was that.

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Speaker 3: What's the prayer? I mean, what's the Can you give

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Speaker 3: the fastest prayer ever?

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Speaker 8: I use this prayer every single night everything night.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I want the prayer.

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01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 3: I'm scared. I lost my way. I don't know where

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01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 3: I'm at. I don't know what I'm supposed to say. Now,

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Speaker 3: I do, I do, but I have to, like, I

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01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 3: have to say thank you to her. I don't even

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Speaker 3: know what to say. I'm so scared. Yeah, I'm so great.

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01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 3: Can you please text us the prayer and I'll say

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01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 3: it up.

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01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 4: We're going to text the prayer. I will can't come back.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 2: When I was thought see her, I didn't know it

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01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 2: was like demonically scary. I like I was thinking, like,

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01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 2: I haven't crossed over to the afterlife quite yet.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and listen, anyone who wants to hear, and everyone

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01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 5: should be hearing.

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Speaker 4: Black people don't do ghosts.

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Speaker 5: Streaming on Spotify, Apple Music, everywhere you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Casilla Jones, we really hope you're going to be.

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Speaker 5: Back because this was awesome and a little bit terrifying.

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Speaker 4: And stick around.

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Speaker 5: We have more sugarun tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker and I'm

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Speaker 2: here with Courtney Armstrong and body move in and we're.

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Speaker 3: All a little scared.

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Speaker 2: So Halloween is upon us, and by the way, we

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Speaker 2: are wishing you a great one. Tomorrow, so please double down,

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01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,839
Speaker 2: have some fun, please be safe. But all these scary

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Speaker 2: stories are getting the best of me. I don't know

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01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: that I'm on board, so big huge things. Of course,

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Speaker 2: to Cassia Jones for telling us for scary tales. Have

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01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 2: either of you had a ghost experience personally?

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01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 3: No?

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01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 2: No, no, I have not either me.

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Speaker 4: But I believe.

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01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 2: I totally imagine that that's accurate and true. And I

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01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 2: have several people that I love deeply that have had experiences,

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Speaker 2: so I have no reason not to believe. But I

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Speaker 2: personally have not had that experience, although I wish I would.

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01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 2: Would you right now? Not tonight?

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Speaker 3: Not whatever?

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Speaker 10: You're weird?

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01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 2: Detroit Knight is what is it called again? Devils tomorrow?

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01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,520
Speaker 5: But I do have to say I never have personally,

1516
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 5: But on that show which talking about my ghost story,

1517
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 5: all of them have video or audio quote evidence, and

1518
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:40,520
Speaker 5: it was it was compelling, And this would be even people.

1519
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 4: Not like I'm out to be a ghost ghost hunter.

1520
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 5: It's like I thought I had squirrels in my yard,

1521
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 5: so I set up this camera and w.

1522
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 4: Tf is that?

1523
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 5: So people who had like incredibly believable this was absolutely

1524
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 5: their truth.

1525
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 4: But anyway, interesting, maybe big world out there there truth too.

1526
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 2: That's a key difference, right, whether it is true or

1527
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 2: is their truth. I guess that is forever the line.

1528
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 2: I haven't personally had an experience, but I am a believer.

1529
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm a non seer believer in seers.

1530
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 9: Yeah that I believe it. I would.

1531
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 15: I would believe what she told me and the details

1532
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 15: that she went into, but yeah, I don't. Luckily, when

1533
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 15: she mentioned this, I'm like, thank God I don't see

1534
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 15: these things, because I don't think I could have sat

1535
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 15: in that bed quietly if I see some sort of

1536
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 15: weird demon things.

1537
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:43,839
Speaker 3: No way I would. I would Stephanie scream.

1538
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 2: That any intention you have to read to immediately reach

1539
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 2: for your cell phone and goal nine one one because

1540
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 2: that that scream is not going nowhere. You're left for

1541
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: dead baby under that cover in a very real way,

1542
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: and even having the fortitude to know to look away,

1543
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,719
Speaker 2: I'd be like, let's look I to eye and suddenly

1544
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 2: your soul is stolen.

1545
01:20:58,840 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 9: Ouch.

1546
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know that I believe in all of it,

1547
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 2: but I do believe. I mean, I believe her story obviously,

1548
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:07,839
Speaker 2: but it's so scary.

1549
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 3: Let's go to a chalk.

1550
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 12: Hi I'm a life from Pennsylvania again, so sorry about

1551
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 12: the earlier call of my two year old, but in

1552
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 12: honor of Halloween, I'm calling with my own ghost story

1553
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 12: since we're sharing scary stories this week. Sam and Adam,

1554
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 12: I'm sorry this will hi be wrong. I'll try to

1555
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 12: keep it short.

1556
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 17: You'll have to edit, I'm sure.

1557
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 12: But I grew up in Cashtown, which is a tiny

1558
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 12: little town outside of Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. My childhood home was

1559
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,879
Speaker 12: a Civil warhouse and it was about a mile from

1560
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,560
Speaker 12: the Cashtown Inn, which is where generally and the Confederates

1561
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 12: had their home base leading up to before they marched

1562
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 12: into Gettysburg for the war. So we had a lot

1563
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 12: of supernatural experiences growing up. We would have lights turn

1564
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 12: on and off on their own. One in particular, we

1565
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 12: had a ghost in the attic and he would make

1566
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 12: his appearance whenever my dad would travel for work. So

1567
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 12: my parents were connected to the room with the attic door,

1568
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,480
Speaker 12: and my mom would be in bed and hear bootsteps

1569
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 12: coming down the attic and this light in the room

1570
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 12: the attic door opened into a turn on. So there's

1571
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 12: one particular time it just kept going on all night.

1572
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 12: She'd get up, turn it off. Well, a while later,

1573
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 12: I'd come back on, get up, turn it off, et cetera.

1574
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 12: So after probably four or five times of this, she

1575
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 12: finally got tired of it and said, would you please

1576
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 12: turn that light off? The light turned itself off and

1577
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 12: she heard bootsteps going back up the attic. So when

1578
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 12: I was off in college, my little brother took over

1579
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 12: what we called the haunted room. But when you're in

1580
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 12: a family of six kids and there are not six bedrooms,

1581
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 12: you take whatever room you can get to have your

1582
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 12: own room. So he had an exercise bike in his

1583
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 12: room and he woke up one night and the pedals

1584
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 12: were just going all by themselves. Flash forward a few years.

1585
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 12: My boyfriend at the time husband now, came to my parents'

1586
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 12: house with me for the first time. For believe it

1587
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 12: was Thanksgiving our Christmas, and we're telling him all these

1588
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 12: ghost stories, all the stuff that happened over the year,

1589
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 12: and he was skeptical, like, I don't know. I'm not

1590
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 12: saying I don't believe you, but I'm just not so

1591
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 12: sure about this. Out of nowhere, a mason jar flew

1592
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,839
Speaker 12: off the top of a cover. It was not sitting

1593
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 12: on the edge, No one was up around walking. There's

1594
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 12: no reason that Mason Jar should have fallen, flew off

1595
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 12: the cover, smashed the floor where he was sitting. We

1596
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 12: all looked at each other and he goes, Okay, I

1597
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 12: think I'd believe you.

1598
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 17: Now.

1599
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 12: We have friendly ghosts. Nothing really bad ever happened, just

1600
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 12: kind of cool experiences that we had in this old

1601
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 12: Civil War house growing up Chaugh. There is my Halloween

1602
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 12: ghost story for everyone.

1603
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 2: Mom high five on the story, and that was like

1604
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 2: a really good one story.

1605
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 3: She said it was a friendly ghost. He's throwing mason

1606
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 3: jars around. I don't know, Joy.

1607
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 2: He was trying to communicate because he had a non

1608
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: believer around the table, and he's like not going to

1609
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 2: stand for that. He needed to, you know, shout from

1610
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 2: the rooftops. You think that was a Mason Jar ghost

1611
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 2: could possibly be bad?

1612
01:23:59,280 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 3: I would have.

1613
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 2: I think most ghosts, if not all ghosts, are probably

1614
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 2: just happy and want to be in some sort of connection.

1615
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 3: I want to go home. I was raised Catholic, and

1616
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 3: the way that we kind of my mom would tell

1617
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 3: us is that ghosts were in purgatory, so they're in

1618
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 3: between you know, the living in the heaven, right, Yeah,

1619
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 3: and they're angry. Why are they angry?

1620
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 2: Maybe they wanted to.

1621
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 9: Go They want to go to They're not.

1622
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 3: Resting yet, that's all. They're not that fired yet.

1623
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 5: That's very that's very purgatory, which is also how I

1624
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 5: grew up. But yeah, it is, you know. The my

1625
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 5: husband so he and they will. Both of his parents

1626
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 5: are doctors, like ones in psychology and the other is physics.

1627
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 5: They're very serious folks. And they had a ghost and

1628
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 5: they have no reason to like put on a show.

1629
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 5: They're like, oh, yeah, the ghosts that lived there in Baltimore,

1630
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 5: this old house and it was in their living room only,

1631
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 5: and the ghost liked boys and not men. So wait,

1632
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 5: my husband Wade when he was little and nothing, but

1633
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:13,799
Speaker 5: then it was dark, ominous, terrible feeling and weird stuff

1634
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 5: even when he grew into a man, and always my

1635
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 5: father in law.

1636
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 3: And they did not move, No way. I didn't know this.

1637
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 2: So they stayed and lived in a house had an

1638
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 2: angry ghost in it.

1639
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 4: Yeah I didn't.

1640
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 11: I don't know.

1641
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 9: If I would, that's where I would.

1642
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 2: You would lose me if it was a helpful ghost

1643
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 2: that maybe like tended to my launch and made my

1644
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 2: bed like saran wrap in the re freezer.

1645
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 3: I totally so. I don't like men either, so it's welcoming.

1646
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 2: You know, I grew up in Lake ron Kankama, and

1647
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,879
Speaker 2: you know there's a The lure of Lake ron Konkoma,

1648
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 2: Long Island is that there's a lake and that Princess

1649
01:25:54,640 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 2: ron Konkoma. She she died and every year she basically

1650
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 2: takes another young boy, and a young boy drowns in

1651
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 2: the lake. This is the folklord that we kind of

1652
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 2: grew up with. But there is a pretty steady track

1653
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 2: of info to support that.

1654
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 4: Lakes are so scary in general.

1655
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 5: I actually I love them, but they are They're so

1656
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 5: glassy and always waiting for hand to come out of it.

1657
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, Jason, that's.

1658
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 3: Why you're scared of it. Because of that, Jason, the

1659
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 3: water and at the lake Crystal Lake Camp scary.

1660
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 9: So scary.

1661
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 15: How far were you from Amityville? Did you ever see

1662
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 15: the Amityville Horror?

1663
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 7: Oh?

1664
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we used to be there in Amityville. It was

1665
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 2: a little bit further. It's like thirty five minutes away

1666
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 2: from where I grew up. But yeah, we would drive

1667
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 2: by to see the weird windows that look like the

1668
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 2: eyes of the house. And by the way, that was

1669
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 2: based on a true story of Mayhem and even Mary's

1670
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 2: graves that I.

1671
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 3: Was tell that FOD guys about. Apparently Mary like slaughtered

1672
01:26:59,360 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 3: her family.

1673
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 2: My brother actually texted me this today, my brother Rich

1674
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 2: because they used to go party at Mary's grave. He

1675
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 2: actually stole the grave, don't tell Yeah, like everybody did.

1676
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: It was like a long island like Ronkonkoma thing. Carrie

1677
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 2: apparently assassinated her family and with a butcher knife, and

1678
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 2: then she lures over the area and anybody who goes

1679
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 2: to her grave, they're like, all of a sudden, they

1680
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 2: see blinking lights like almost a car lights, but there's

1681
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 2: no car there, and that means Mary's coming for you.

1682
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 9: No, okay, this is not a good episode.

1683
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: For Yeah, can I go up my way in best?

1684
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 9: Okay?

1685
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 14: All right, anything, Hi guys, this is Ava. I wanted

1686
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 14: to also share my favorite scary movie, and well, this

1687
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 14: one isn't my favorite, but it's definitely the scariest movie

1688
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 14: I've ever seen. It's called Her Hereditary Arioster and I

1689
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 14: saw it when I was a senior in high school.

1690
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 14: I was seventeen, and even at that age, I was.

1691
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 12: So scared that when I got home from.

1692
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 14: The theater at night, I had to sleep in bed

1693
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 14: with my mom.

1694
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 17: Because I was scared below in my bed.

1695
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 14: So highly recommend if you want that feeling.

1696
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 3: That's so sweet though she had to get in bed

1697
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 3: with mom and seven would that?

1698
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 2: Would?

1699
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 3: I get it too? That movie is very weary.

1700
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 15: I'm trying to remember the details of that one. I

1701
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 15: saw it so long and don't ask me. I just

1702
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 15: told you I don't remember because I remember, like Sam

1703
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 15: and Adam both know this one pretty well. But Tony

1704
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 15: Collette was in it.

1705
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds horrible, is I remember the music. I

1706
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 3: didn't like the music. It was like too loud or something.

1707
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 3: But it was scared.

1708
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 2: Okay, Like, have you guys watched Blair Witch anytime recently?

1709
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 2: That one still holds them to a little at the end.

1710
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: That was like a petrifying tale. Also, Mber reading that while.

1711
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 9: With the footage and it's so funny.

1712
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 15: I thought about yesterday when you were talking about our

1713
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 15: True Crime and Chill Pick, because there it's all body

1714
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 15: cam footage and I was like, Oh, that's the other

1715
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 15: film that kind of was all done there, which yeah.

1716
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 2: Which was actually pretty sohead of its time.

1717
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 3: We should remind people about true Griman Chif. Yeah, I

1718
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 3: wasn't here that night.

1719
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,719
Speaker 2: I had that tall because we're going to do arrowing

1720
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 2: this doc Yeah, we're going to do.

1721
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 3: A Perfect Neighbor on Netflix. And it's all it's like

1722
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 3: an hour and a half. It's not very long.

1723
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 2: I've seen it.

1724
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 3: I've seen it last Weekend Indian and I watch it

1725
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 3: and it's all bodycam footage and it tells the tale

1726
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 3: of kind of like a Karen neighbor who is like

1727
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 3: upset by the kids, you know, playing around her house,

1728
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 3: and she just keeps calling the cops over and over

1729
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 3: and over again. And so the whole documentary is told

1730
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 3: through this bodycam footage, and it's very well done. But

1731
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 3: I'm telling you how sad it is and infuriating it

1732
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 3: is because because it's all body cam footage, it's not

1733
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 3: some abstract like idea of what happened, right, You're actually

1734
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 3: seeing like raw emotion and and a horrific tragedy played

1735
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: out like right before your eyes. And then I'm not

1736
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 3: going to tell you, but then at the end you

1737
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 3: just get so mad and it just rows you up

1738
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 3: a little bit. It's infuriating. I'm not going to eat

1739
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 3: a little bit infuriating and it's really good and I

1740
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 3: can't wait to discuss the details with everybody. And if

1741
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 3: you have seen it, give us a call eight at

1742
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 3: eight thirty one crime When we do our trym when

1743
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 3: are what day are we going to do it Toahan?

1744
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 3: You know the dates? I'm like lost in the sauce

1745
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 3: in my head with the dates.

1746
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 2: We're going to do this.

1747
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 15: No, no, no, but we're going to do it on

1748
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 15: Wednesday of next week, so we'll whack.

1749
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 3: Get your thoughts together, write down your notes as you're

1750
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 3: watching the documentary, leave us a talk back and give

1751
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 3: us a call whatever you want to do. I really

1752
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 3: want to hear what you guys have to say about

1753
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 3: this documentary because it is harrowing and it is crime really.

1754
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 9: One yeah, definitely crime related. And I saw it.

1755
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 15: I watched it last night and I told body a

1756
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 15: little bit, but I'm not gonna give anything away, but

1757
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 15: it was so heavy and so emotional I had to stop.

1758
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 15: It's rare that I have to like stop them, like

1759
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 15: I can't watch this, I need to stop for a minute.

1760
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 9: And then of course I went down the.

1761
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 15: Road of looking at Frogger videos or equally it's scary,

1762
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 15: but I went back to it, but it's really it's

1763
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 15: a it's excellent, but it's really hard to watch some

1764
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 15: of it, So just be.

1765
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 3: Prepared surprising how well the story is pulled through this

1766
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 3: bodycam footage because you really understand what's going on as

1767
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 3: you're watching it. There's no narrator, there's no like ten

1768
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 3: years ago, you know, I was on Facebook and you know, I'm.

1769
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 4: So excited to watch this, Courtney.

1770
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 3: It's so it's so interesting. And I know you you

1771
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 3: and you like body cam footage, don't you, Courtney love it?

1772
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1773
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're really going to enjoy this. I can't

1774
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 3: wait to hear what you have to say about it.

1775
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's going to be on Wednesday for our

1776
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 3: true Crimin Chill segment, A Perfect Neighbor on Netflix. Please

1777
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 3: watch it.

1778
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 9: It's very good.

1779
01:31:56,360 --> 01:32:00,799
Speaker 15: Yeah, okay, perfect, Yeah, between Halloween and Trickishry with everyone

1780
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 15: tomorrow and then.

1781
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 3: If you want to be scared tonight, watch the Frogging.

1782
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 5: Watch go look about No look frogging.

1783
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 3: Your atticts and your walls.

1784
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:14,759
Speaker 15: And I seriously hadn't seen I didn't realize how popular

1785
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 15: it was and how many cases there are, but there's.

1786
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 2: So many cases, more than you would ever imagine when.

1787
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 15: You see how they're living. Like I literally did like

1788
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 15: a check around my home. I started looking. I'm like, okay,

1789
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,639
Speaker 15: can someone go there? Can they look here? It's it's

1790
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 15: really freaky and scary but.

1791
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 5: Interesting for my dogs today, Like you know, dogs look

1792
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 5: at things or perk their ears and I'm like, what's

1793
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 5: up rover like is now?

1794
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 4: I think there's someone in that in my walls that

1795
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 4: they're reacting to.

1796
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 9: Oh god, I don't know what's worse having someone living in.

1797
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 15: My walls, like the Frogger situation or what Casia was

1798
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 15: telling us, wake up to see like a demon with

1799
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 15: a French coat with yeah there was one Oh yeah,

1800
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 15: what would you pick the human because I can at

1801
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 15: least call the police and they can get it out.

1802
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 9: The spirit things, Yeah, out of our troll.

1803
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,799
Speaker 3: It there was one frogor you have like night visions

1804
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 3: like green like you know, I'm terrifying. And this arm

1805
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 3: came out of a kitchen cabinet and yes, and it

1806
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 3: was a girl, was a woman and she like hopped

1807
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 3: out of this kitchen cabinet on the drounter you did, I.

1808
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 15: Saw that and then she goes in the refrigerator and

1809
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 15: gets something out.

1810
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 3: Crazy.

1811
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 2: It's so scary you have to talk about, like a

1812
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 2: crock pot or something. We're going to start to hot

1813
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 2: cooking segments starting next week. Courtney's very good at them.

1814
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 2: I need some come her food in Sandy. All I

1815
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 2: want to do is eat my low fat cottage cheese

1816
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: and rice cakes. My mouth hurts from eating so many

1817
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 2: of those this week. But listen, we're going to be

1818
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 2: back on Sunday. First of all, have a great Halloween,

1819
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 2: go home, but please be safe. And then on Sunday,

1820
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan talking all things forensics with us.

1821
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 3: This is true crime tonight. We love you, Be safe

1822
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 3: and happy Halloween. Bye bro,