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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Hour two on this speed Friday.
Speaker 2: Gang's all here, ready to go. King of Comedy, Fritzie,
Speaker 2: You got Marvin Paullie Seaton. Paulie is sporting an eye
Speaker 2: patch here, and uh is this a is this a new.
Speaker 3: Look for you? It's just a one day or a
Speaker 3: one day or little treatment last night. I was a procedure.
Speaker 3: I actually yes, it was not surgery.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: I had a little procedure last night.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: And the hotlights are a little.
Speaker 2: Okay, sporting the eye patch here becoming all right, very
Speaker 2: pirate of you, Yeah, like a plaid pirate. By the way,
Speaker 2: the Pirates fired their manager. His name is Derek Shelton.
Speaker 2: You might not be aware of his name, but I
Speaker 2: think he'd been there six years. I don't know what
Speaker 2: they expect. You know, you have a smaller market and
Speaker 2: you have an owner wants to turn a profit. Roster's
Speaker 2: not great. You got a couple of players who are
Speaker 2: going to be really good for somebody else. But if
Speaker 2: you look at what the Pirates, they had sixty one,
Speaker 2: sixty two, seventy six, seventy six wins and then now
Speaker 2: tracking towards a fifty one win season.
Speaker 4: They got a couple of players.
Speaker 2: You've got Paul's schemes on there, but I don't know
Speaker 2: what you expect. I'm trying to think the last time
Speaker 2: that they finished better than five hundred. When's the last
Speaker 2: time they made the playoffs. They don't even come close
Speaker 2: to finishing over five hundred. The Pirates have won eighty
Speaker 2: games in a season four times since nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 2: Only the Royals have compiled more losses in the twenty
Speaker 2: first century.
Speaker 6: Ow stell of a day, stan a day, stall of
Speaker 6: a day.
Speaker 4: Stella a day.
Speaker 7: This is the style of the day.
Speaker 2: I don't think ownership has signed a free agent to
Speaker 2: a multi year contract since December of twenty seventeen. You know,
Speaker 2: they can develop players, but it's not a destination for
Speaker 2: free agents, and you just don't have enough good players there.
Speaker 2: I can't say the team underperformed. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they're good enough to perform. And I don't know what
Speaker 2: he's supposed to do in a situation like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Paulie, Yeah, the Pirates have made the playoffs again
Speaker 3: three times since nineteen ninety two. Here's a thought, Paul Skiings. Now,
Speaker 3: I know he's good for publicity and attendance one out
Speaker 3: of every five games. What do you trade Paul Skiings
Speaker 3: early while he's max value and redo your whole farm,
Speaker 3: your whole farm club and have a chance to have
Speaker 3: a young base of talent to maybe score one of
Speaker 3: those Florida Marlins type runs. I can't think any other way.
Speaker 3: Their competitive.
Speaker 4: I don't know what's important to ownership there.
Speaker 2: Do you want to win? Do you want to spend money?
Speaker 2: Do you want to spend more money than you're comfortable
Speaker 2: spending it? You know, it's such a great baseball city,
Speaker 2: that ballpark's great views are great, and you go to
Speaker 2: downtown walk across the bridge. Uniforms, I mean they they
Speaker 2: they and I look, I grew up hating the Pirates
Speaker 2: because they were so great in the seventies. That could
Speaker 2: pretty much run down the starting lineup with Manny Sanghian
Speaker 2: and Al Oliver and Roberto Clementi and Willie Stargel, Bob
Speaker 2: Robertson and Gene Alley, Rennie Stennett, Bob Veal, John Candelaria
Speaker 2: Kent to Colvey, I mean they who is it Bob Moose?
Speaker 2: Was he another picture on that team. Dave Justy I
Speaker 2: think was the closer there. You know, they had great
Speaker 2: baseball players and it was a great baseball but you know,
Speaker 2: it's the haves and the have nots. You almost should
Speaker 2: separate and say, all right, if you're only going to
Speaker 2: spend this amount of money, then you're going to be
Speaker 2: playing in this league. You know, maybe you have relegation,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe there's a group that you have. These are
Speaker 2: the these are the teams that are in Triple A
Speaker 2: ish and then you have you know, maybe somebody is
Speaker 2: really good and they win and then they can move
Speaker 2: up and then somebody moves down.
Speaker 4: Maybe you have something like that.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what you expect out of some
Speaker 2: of these smaller markets, mid market teams. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if there's full disclosure on what what are you spending,
Speaker 2: how much you're making. That's what I always want to know.
Speaker 2: And I always said with certain organizations and the Cincinnati Bengals,
Speaker 2: there should be a minimum spend, like you must spend
Speaker 2: at least this. And they're owners, they're fine, they're fine
Speaker 2: owning a team. The value goes up, maybe you're not
Speaker 2: winning anything and you're getting a profit. But pirates have
Speaker 2: fired their manager. It's been a while since we've had
Speaker 2: somebody fired this soon. I think it was the Cincinnati
Speaker 2: Reds maybe who fired their manager, like eighteen or nineteen
Speaker 2: games in a few years ago.
Speaker 4: All right, you got the Timberwolves.
Speaker 2: They take Game two and the series now goes back
Speaker 2: to Golden State. The calves at the Pacers tonight, thunder
Speaker 2: at the Nuggets. Poll question for hour two is going
Speaker 2: to be what Seaton. By the way, good morning if
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Speaker 4: All right, Seaton, we.
Speaker 8: Got up there right now. Whose career do you want?
Speaker 8: Spike Lee, Bob Costas, Mark Messier. Okay, let's guess the results.
Speaker 8: Guess the results, Spike Lee, Bob Costas, Mark Messia.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, as Todd likes to do, I'm
Speaker 2: going to say, Tod, do you say he is Bob
Speaker 2: costas Spike Lee, Mark Messier?
Speaker 4: That's your order? Yeah, why do you think Bob Costas? First?
Speaker 2: I think people can look at that and go, that's
Speaker 2: a good job. You know, he's got to cover all
Speaker 2: these events. You get to wear suit and tie your
Speaker 2: hair's combs. Yeah, it seems easy. Yeah, longevity. So I'd say,
Speaker 2: I'd say Bob Costas. Bob Costas is forty seven percent
Speaker 2: of the vote right now. Okay, that's a shockingly high
Speaker 2: number to me.
Speaker 8: Okay, Mark Messier is in second, but very close him,
Speaker 8: Him and Spike Lee are basically tied at second. Okay,
Speaker 8: but Costas running away with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think people look at that and go
Speaker 2: I would want to do that job, or I could
Speaker 2: do that job. And he's been everywhere on everything. And
Speaker 2: he'll be on the show coming up in about fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes from he will, Yes, he will, he will, Yes,
Speaker 2: he will. By the way, if you miss Spike Lee,
Speaker 2: he was great first hour. He had a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Ready to go.
Speaker 2: Saturday Afternoon Nicks Celtics Chris and Syracuse.
Speaker 4: Hi, Chris, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9: Hey?
Speaker 10: Thanks Dan?
Speaker 9: Hey, a couple of comments off your Spike Lee interview.
Speaker 9: I thought it was a great question on second best
Speaker 9: sequel on the movies of all time besides behind Godfather
Speaker 9: too and I got to go Rocky to and you know,
Speaker 9: I always wondered why in Jungle fever. Why Spike went
Speaker 9: with Leslie Snipes over his guy Denzel, Well.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there was some kind of scheduling
Speaker 2: issue with Denzel.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's picked Denzel for what five movies, including the latest
Speaker 2: one coming out this August.
Speaker 4: Yes, Paul, I.
Speaker 3: Have a couple more high end sequels. Terminator two, Judgment
Speaker 3: Day is as good or better than the first, right there. Aliens,
Speaker 3: the sequel to Alien. Remember Sigourney, we were in that
Speaker 3: big thing beating up the bad guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty great too. Those are pretty high end sequel.
Speaker 4: Not a sequel. Guy mostly bad. Yeah, I don't and
Speaker 4: I get it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Hollywood lacks creativity and they don't want to take chances,
Speaker 2: and they're like, all right, that made this kind of money,
Speaker 2: let's do it again.
Speaker 4: Come up with a different script. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I don't know if it counts as a sequel because
Speaker 8: it's kind of the next in the story. Empire Strikes Back.
Speaker 8: Star Wars is a pretty great one. Okay, that's a
Speaker 8: really good one. But I don't know if it's Those
Speaker 8: are kind of it's a story that you tell, you know,
Speaker 8: so I have to see the first one. I guess
Speaker 8: to appreciate the second one.
Speaker 4: You haven't seen either Star Wars movie. No, it's definitely
Speaker 4: too late to do that.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 2: It is, it is, it is, It doesn't it's not
Speaker 2: going to hit. It doesn't hold up. No, okay, no, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 12: For John Fever dens at what was considered, but Spike
Speaker 12: went with Wesley Snipes and Spike Lee asked Martin Scorsese
Speaker 12: to be in the film, but he declined, and Marissa
Speaker 12: Tome turned down the role of Angie Tucci, the female lead,
Speaker 12: because of her scheduling conflicts with a little movie called
Speaker 12: My Cousin Vinnie could call.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5: You know, the Bourne movies never trailed off. They have
Speaker 5: some consistency.
Speaker 3: I can't remember all the names of them, the Bourne
Speaker 3: identity afterwards, but they stayed pretty steady for all those sequents.
Speaker 4: It was a great movie. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: The Bummer is the Jeremy Renner one, and Jeremy Renner
Speaker 2: is a great actor, but he's not born He's not
Speaker 2: Jason Bourne.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they should have had it be like somebody else,
Speaker 8: but also part of tread Stone.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, once again, that movie's on any of
Speaker 2: the movie Boorne identity movies and I'm watching I don't
Speaker 2: care where it is. Be right at the end, right
Speaker 2: at the beginning, right in the middle, doesn't matter. Always great.
Speaker 2: Let me see Lucas in Texas. I Luke, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind today?
Speaker 4: Hey Dan, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 7: You know, as you've already mentioned in your Spike Lee interview,
Speaker 7: we have a new pope, an American pope, and I've
Speaker 7: got a couple of quick things for you. A question
Speaker 7: and an observation. First, my question somewhat rhetorical, but how
Speaker 7: long until Fritzy inappropriately reaches out to the Vatican to
Speaker 7: talk about something related to Villanova's sports. That's my first
Speaker 7: one and my second one. This is more of an observation.
Speaker 7: It was really a cool moment to see Poco Leo
Speaker 7: walk out yesterday as the cheers of the audience. What
Speaker 7: was a little unexpected, And Marvin, you'll appreciate this is
Speaker 7: that if you play it back, you can actually hear
Speaker 7: a small crowd of Americans waving flags and singing Roughrider
Speaker 7: anthem by DMX. So I think we all know what
Speaker 7: our song is on the international stage now whenever we
Speaker 7: get a big win.
Speaker 10: So let's go boys.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a big deal American pope, Chicago based
Speaker 2: and White Sox fan, Jordans fan. I think there were
Speaker 2: memes that were out there with the Jordan logo, the
Speaker 2: jump man on his robe. Fritzie did come up with
Speaker 2: a Pope Leo the fourteenth song, ty do you want
Speaker 2: to explain this?
Speaker 13: I was just thinking about, you know, the pope and
Speaker 13: the guy Electoris, think of song parodies and things like that,
Speaker 13: and I'm like, you know what, there was Duran Durant's Rio.
Speaker 12: Back in I think nineteen eighty two. I know that
Speaker 12: was forty three years ago.
Speaker 13: I don't want to skew too old. And I singing
Speaker 13: a couple of lines in my head while I was
Speaker 13: like brushing my teeth, and I thought I had a
Speaker 13: little something that I can kind of put together with
Speaker 13: Pope Leo off of Rio, big hit song by Duran Durant.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I'm ready, let's go. Let's see what you got.
Speaker 1: His name is.
Speaker 6: Leo and he wears the paper crown.
Speaker 14: He's bringing peace and love all through a Roman town
Speaker 14: and when he prays with us, we're filled with so
Speaker 14: much hope on Leo Leo.
Speaker 4: Yes, we have a brand pope.
Speaker 1: He's from Chicago.
Speaker 4: Put him in the owner's box.
Speaker 6: He'll bless the copies, Bud. He really loves the sucks.
Speaker 15: You know.
Speaker 6: The Pope won't quit until his work is done. He
Speaker 6: may be the fourteenth, but to us he's number one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, respectful, I think I know the answer, but I'm
Speaker 2: still gonna ask it for the audience. Have you reached
Speaker 2: out to the Vatican to have Pope Leo join it?
Speaker 13: It's funny that that was mentioned, because late last night,
Speaker 13: before he went to bed, I said, I wonder how
Speaker 13: many steps it would take to actually get the Pope
Speaker 13: on the show, and would he be willing to come
Speaker 13: on and to a zoom. He's a Chicago guy and
Speaker 13: sports fan, and I'm still looking into it. I don't
Speaker 13: have any direct contact yet, but there's a press secretary
Speaker 13: for the president here and there's got to be a
Speaker 13: way to get a message his way. It may take
Speaker 13: many many steps, but we're certainly going to give it
Speaker 13: a shot. Why not?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 12: How great would that be?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 4: All right? Jonah in Colorado?
Speaker 10: Hey, Jonah, Day's longtime, first time I had five, ten.
Speaker 15: One sixty. I wanted to talk about yesterday you and
Speaker 15: the boys. We're talking about some of the greatest songs
Speaker 15: are associated with college football teams. And I wanted to say,
Speaker 15: y'all miss Dixiel and Delight at Alabama.
Speaker 2: Well they Alabama's got a couple of them.
Speaker 15: Yeah, but the one we're really known for, the one
Speaker 15: you see the you know, cool high videos of.
Speaker 16: That's stick SiO and Delight right after the start of.
Speaker 15: The fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, not familiar with that, but thank you, Jonah.
Speaker 4: It shows how known they are for it.
Speaker 2: I guess, Wow, wow, Chemo in Virginia beach, Hi, keem on,
Speaker 2: welcome back.
Speaker 10: Hey Danny, Oh gosh, I can't control my phone, and
Speaker 10: thanks for calling. And to grass funny, I mean, because
Speaker 10: you want Spike you know, that was just that's just
Speaker 10: classic good Danny Patrick stuff. And then and I can't
Speaker 10: believe the pole question was so perfect, but I'm I'm
Speaker 10: confused about your answer. Spike is a man all the accolades.
Speaker 10: And then we all want to be Moose, right, we
Speaker 10: got to be Moose. So that leads us to who
Speaker 10: is the last Danny? When you agreet just you give
Speaker 10: him hello, loser.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Kima.
Speaker 2: Now that's what he calls me when I didn't win
Speaker 2: the Sports Emmy. Hello loser.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know what's it?
Speaker 17: Give us a of it? Dan Quizybot and Emma and
Speaker 17: uh it's Friday?
Speaker 4: Sorry? Wow? Did I mention what we're having for meat Friday?
Speaker 4: A classic combo? Yeah? I would never put these two together.
Speaker 2: Classic combo, A jumbo crab cake, sandwich, smoke, Turkey clubs,
Speaker 2: Surf and Turf and Coleslaw classic.
Speaker 4: Who is it better than we do?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: Okay, which are you more excited about?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say the smoke Turkey Club? Me too, Me too?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Todd, what about you? I'm going Turkey Club Yeah.
Speaker 2: Paul crab Cake Yeah, Marmon crab Cakes Okay.
Speaker 4: I'm not possible hot take not a big crabcake guy,
Speaker 4: crab Tree. I was talking about you, crab Tree.
Speaker 18: Let's talk about.
Speaker 4: Classic this talking about you, Cramtree.
Speaker 2: All right, let me come on, let's go clean up
Speaker 2: our app And it was wait a wee as we're
Speaker 2: gonna take a break.
Speaker 4: We're back after this.
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Speaker 11: I'm good, Dan, and rest assured I will not make
Speaker 11: a penny off whatever the ninety second Street why accruise
Speaker 11: from this appearance. Okay, they do great stuff there. Not
Speaker 11: to belabor it. You could actually see someone in conversation
Speaker 11: with Larry David or Paul Simon, that kind of thing.
Speaker 11: And now I guess they've dipped down in rank. They
Speaker 11: didn't have anybody else for Mother's Day night, so it's
Speaker 11: made this time.
Speaker 4: Pirates have fired their manager. Yeah, and I'm wondering.
Speaker 2: Could you do a two tiered system and maybe have
Speaker 2: and it's the haves and the have nots. Could you
Speaker 2: do relegation maybe where you know, bottom half team, maybe
Speaker 2: they move up? Or what I mean, what are you
Speaker 2: supposed to do in Pittsburgh, once great baseball town?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 11: The only thing that brings to mind that would be comparable.
Speaker 11: Remember I'm old enough to remember you were a younger child,
Speaker 11: if you were here at all. But in nineteen sixty
Speaker 11: seven or whatever it was, when the NA expanded, you
Speaker 11: had the original six and all the expansion teams went
Speaker 11: into one division six and six and that actually sparked
Speaker 11: a hockey craze in Saint Louis because the Blues were
Speaker 11: the worst of that second I'm sorry, the best of
Speaker 11: that second division. And they went to the Stanley Cup
Speaker 11: finals twice and acquitted themselves well even though they lost.
Speaker 11: So that's the only comparable thing I can think of.
Speaker 11: But here, I think is the real answer. If you're
Speaker 11: the Pittsburgh Pirates and if you're a long suffering fan,
Speaker 11: and then you're right. They have a great baseball history,
Speaker 11: they have one of the best ballparks in the major leagues,
Speaker 11: and they flounder constantly. Think about this though, Dan there
Speaker 11: are ten teams in the two central divisions in the
Speaker 11: major leagues. Only one of them is in the top
Speaker 11: half of payrolls. That's the Cubs at tenth. Next is
Speaker 11: the Tigers at seven teams. Half of the six playoff
Speaker 11: teams last year in the American League came from the
Speaker 11: al Central, the Tigers, the Royals, and the Guardians and
Speaker 11: the Twins, who have now had the trap door open
Speaker 11: on them. But the Twins were barely outside that group.
Speaker 11: They were alive in the last week other than the Cubs.
Speaker 11: In theory, who is going to greatly outspend the Pirates
Speaker 11: in the National League Central. One of the things that
Speaker 11: mitigates the admittedly large payroll gaps in the major leagues
Speaker 11: is the third wild card. You know, whether you like
Speaker 11: it or not, you can say, hey, if we can
Speaker 11: win eighty five eighty six games, we got a chance
Speaker 11: to get into the postseason. And the history shows even
Speaker 11: the Dodgers they lost to the Padres two three years ago,
Speaker 11: they lost to the Diamondbacks, and they were down two
Speaker 11: to one to the Padres last year before they rallied
Speaker 11: to win the division Series. It's not a guarantee that
Speaker 11: the best teams and the highest payroll teams make it
Speaker 11: through to the World Series if you can just get
Speaker 11: into that tournament. So I don't want to be harsh,
Speaker 11: but what's the Pirate's excuse. They play a huge percentage
Speaker 11: of their games within the National League with other teams
Speaker 11: that aren't running away from them payroll wise, and you've
Speaker 11: got a second and third wild card. You don't have
Speaker 11: an excuse to get this bad this consistently for this long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know what you know, Derek Shelton
Speaker 2: was supposed to do. You know, yeah, you do have
Speaker 2: a couple of players, and we tend to look at
Speaker 2: these teams. Some of these teams, we go, point, who's
Speaker 2: he going to be with his next contract? You know,
Speaker 2: Paul Skins is not going to retire at Pittsburgh Pirate,
Speaker 2: which now is not it's a shame, but you know,
Speaker 2: that's just modern day baseball here.
Speaker 11: Yeah it is.
Speaker 15: You know.
Speaker 11: On the other hand, if Derek Shelton was lucky enough
Speaker 11: to have management like the Colorado Rockies have. And this
Speaker 11: is not a knock on Bud Black at all. Bud
Speaker 11: Black is a very respected baseball guy as a pitching
Speaker 11: coach and as a manager and he had the Rockies
Speaker 11: in the playoffs several years ago. But they start out
Speaker 11: with no chance. They leave spring training with no chance.
Speaker 11: But they don't have the benefit, if you want to
Speaker 11: call it that, of being in a weaker division. They're
Speaker 11: in a division where the other four teams vary from
Speaker 11: good to very very good, and they're playing a huge
Speaker 11: number of their games in that division and they're like
Speaker 11: one hundred and eighty games out. Even though it's only
Speaker 11: one two game season.
Speaker 4: They got six wins so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering about the timing of show, Hey,
Speaker 2: Otani coming back to pitch and if if you're the Dodgers,
Speaker 2: you don't want to push this, And if you're Otani,
Speaker 2: I know that that's your identity, but still, I mean
Speaker 2: there's a real risk here. If I'm the Dodgers, I
Speaker 2: don't want to lose you as a hitter, and having
Speaker 2: you as a pitcher, I may not need you as
Speaker 2: much as a pitcher. But I don't know if Otani's
Speaker 2: locked in and says, hey, but this is who I am.
Speaker 2: I'm the two way player and I want to continue
Speaker 2: to do this.
Speaker 11: I think there is an element to that, and it's
Speaker 11: part of what leads him to sign with whatever team
Speaker 11: he signs with. Obviously, the Dodgers had the greater financial
Speaker 11: wherewith all of them able to structure the deal that worked.
Speaker 11: But part of it is I want to do both,
Speaker 11: so I don't think they can deny him that. But
Speaker 11: they do have this luxury, whatever it is. The Dodgers
Speaker 11: are a great organization, but they have injuries to their
Speaker 11: pitching staff every year. Every team does, but they have
Speaker 11: them out of all proportion. They'll start out with ten guys,
Speaker 11: all of whom could be in at least some team's rotation.
Speaker 11: Now four of them are healthy, and even when we
Speaker 11: get to October, we're throwing bullpen games in the playoffs.
Speaker 11: So I don't know what they're doing with their medical
Speaker 11: staff or their training staff, but at least they have this.
Speaker 11: They're so good even in that division that they can
Speaker 11: slow walk a lot of guys. Clayton Kershell through like
Speaker 11: six to seven perfect endings the other night in the
Speaker 11: minor leagues. They're slow walking him back, and who knows,
Speaker 11: he may be a reliever for them rather than a starter.
Speaker 11: And maybe the answer for Otani is, we don't want
Speaker 11: you to go out there looking to throw six innings,
Speaker 11: which is the modern complete game. Maybe we use you
Speaker 11: out of the bullpen, and that's the way to do it.
Speaker 11: But they have the luxury of knowing they're going to
Speaker 11: be in October, be playing in October, and just trying
Speaker 11: to pull it all together by then. They don't have
Speaker 11: to pull it all together by the All Star break.
Speaker 2: Talking to Hall of Fame broadcaster Bob Costas, who haven't
Speaker 2: you interviewed or who have you interviewed?
Speaker 4: You'd like maybe another sit down with well, you know, the.
Speaker 11: Holy grail has always been Sandy Kofax in sports. Sandy
Speaker 11: was always very very gracious to me. I asked him
Speaker 11: a couple of times. This goes back more than twenty years,
Speaker 11: and he never had someone else make the call. He
Speaker 11: always called me back personally and he said, if I
Speaker 11: ever do it, I'll do it with you. And after
Speaker 11: a while I began to realize I'm at the front
Speaker 11: of a line that never moves. Thanks that, I thought, Sandy.
Speaker 11: But he did do one thing with us, and I
Speaker 11: thought he might for this specific reason. All Star Game
Speaker 11: in Cincinnati a decade ago, and they named them Mount
Speaker 11: Rushmore of Living baseball players, and it was Willie Hank
Speaker 11: joh Bench and Kofax, And I said, Sandy, if it's
Speaker 11: just the four of you and you're talking amongst yourselves.
Speaker 4: Will you do it?
Speaker 11: And he did and he was great in that sit
Speaker 11: down anecdotal joking with the guys. You could see they
Speaker 11: were energized, and all I had to do was just
Speaker 11: toss it out there and then sit back and let
Speaker 11: them talk among themselves. So I think Kofax would be
Speaker 11: one of the guys in sports. You know Jack Nicholson
Speaker 11: who's in the winter of his years now and seldom
Speaker 11: appears in public. But Jack Nicholson fascinating guy, enormous star
Speaker 11: for thirty forty years. He always said, I don't do
Speaker 11: television interviews. I'm a movie star. Leave your house, you
Speaker 11: go into a darken theater, you pay your money, the
Speaker 11: phone doesn't ring, and you sit there and watch me
Speaker 11: on a big screen. Why do I want to be
Speaker 11: sitting with Johnny Carson while you're looking through your toes
Speaker 11: as you're lying in bed. But I'm not going to
Speaker 11: do that. It diminishes the mystique. So the only time
Speaker 11: you saw him on television regularly was sitting courtside at
Speaker 11: a Laker game. So it brings me to this nineteen
Speaker 11: ninety two NBA Finals Portland against the Bulls and Nicholson
Speaker 11: is shooting in HAFA on site in Chicago. So he's
Speaker 11: Jack Nicholson. He can get good seats. They weren't at
Speaker 11: half court. They were on the base line underneath one
Speaker 11: of the baskets, and Dick Eversol and Terry o'deola were
Speaker 11: the producers. They spot him there and I'm not calling
Speaker 11: the games, Marvis calling the games. I'm upstairs at the
Speaker 11: old Chicago Stadium to do the pregame and the halftime.
Speaker 11: So they say, Bob, do you know Jack Nicholson, Well,
Speaker 11: i've met him, I don't know him not. Well, go
Speaker 11: down and ask him if he'll come on at halftime.
Speaker 11: I'm like, this is the greatest fools errand.
Speaker 4: Of all time.
Speaker 11: Don't you know that Johnny Carson just left the Tonight
Speaker 11: Show and he wouldn't go on the last book with
Speaker 11: Johnny Carson When people were lined up around the block
Speaker 11: to make one more appear, go down, you owe it
Speaker 11: to us, Go okay? Fine, So I slept myself down
Speaker 11: and I wait for the four minute time out and
Speaker 11: I walk up behind him Dan, I swear I tap
Speaker 11: him on his right shoulder and he turns around like this,
Speaker 11: and the first glimpse of him is like the first
Speaker 11: time you see him in the shining face. Then he
Speaker 11: softens a little bit and he goes, I wish I
Speaker 11: could to a decent of a thing. He goes, Oh, hi, Bob, Jack,
Speaker 11: just play along. Here they're watching. I'm supposed to ask
Speaker 11: you if you'll come home with us, And I swear
Speaker 11: this is what he said. Verbata makes up. I'm editing one.
Speaker 4: Word, bomby Bobby.
Speaker 11: You're a nice kid and you do good work. How
Speaker 11: can I put this no.
Speaker 4: F.
Speaker 11: Jack, I'll take that as a no during the rest
Speaker 11: of the game. Now, I got a whole ass.
Speaker 10: In time.
Speaker 4: At least he was very respectful.
Speaker 2: Yes, I told my audience to keep an eye on
Speaker 2: this because I think there's something there. When President Trump
Speaker 2: got together with Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred and this Pete
Speaker 2: Rose situation, it feels like this is something that Donald
Speaker 2: Trump wants to happen to at least get Pete on
Speaker 2: the ballot. And I think there's other things at play
Speaker 2: that the commissioner may want or need from the President
Speaker 2: as well. I think Pete's going to get on the
Speaker 2: ballot at some point. It feels like, what do you think.
Speaker 11: Two things here? First, of the ballot part, in theory,
Speaker 11: they'd have to put him directly into a Veterans committee
Speaker 11: unless they change their rule, okay, because anyone who is
Speaker 11: more than fifteen years removed from having played can't be
Speaker 11: on the ballot. And of course if you were on
Speaker 11: the ballot for ten years, then you wait a little
Speaker 11: while and they throw you into a veterans committee. Now,
Speaker 11: if they're going to take Pete off the restricted list
Speaker 11: or whatever it is, the ineligible list, then in theory
Speaker 11: they could also say, wait a minute, he was never
Speaker 11: on the writer's ballot. Let's have the writers vote on
Speaker 11: it rather than sixteen people in a veterans committee situation.
Speaker 11: By the way, if you're going to take Pete off
Speaker 11: on that basis, which consider taking shoeless Joe Jackson off
Speaker 11: on that basis He was briefly on the writer's ballot
Speaker 11: and didn't make it. But you could put him up
Speaker 11: for consideration too. But those are signs to your point.
Speaker 11: I don't know the specifics. I haven't talked with Commissioner
Speaker 11: Manfred about it. But you know, baseball has an anti
Speaker 11: trust exemption. The Trump administration seems quite willing to interpret
Speaker 11: things their own way so or to pursue certain legal
Speaker 11: actions that others would not. So the anti trust exemption
Speaker 11: is important to baseball. It protected them greatly before they
Speaker 11: finally Marvin Miller and company finally broke through and got
Speaker 11: rid of the reserve clause. But it still has some
Speaker 11: value to them. And then who knows. And I'm only
Speaker 11: speculating here. I'm not saying it's true. But obviously there
Speaker 11: are a great many foreign players in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 11: Does Trump's immigration policy perhaps in some way affect their
Speaker 11: com and goings. I'm not saying it does, but these
Speaker 11: are all things that perhaps Manford and Trump would would
Speaker 11: be discussing.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's how I see it. I think it's going
Speaker 2: to happen. At least, you know, Pete posthumously is going
Speaker 2: to be on a ballot, whether it's the veterans or
Speaker 2: you know, they decide to put him on the regular bound.
Speaker 4: At the writer's bound. Good to talk to you again,
Speaker 4: have fun this weekend. Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 2: It's Bob Costas ninety second Street, y in New York, City.
Speaker 2: That'll be seven Eastern coming up this Sunday as Bob
Speaker 2: looks back on his forty plus years in the business.
Speaker 2: Online in person tickets available at ninety two and why
Speaker 2: dot org. When we come back. What's going on with
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick's girlfriend at North Carolina? We have some news
Speaker 2: about that coming up.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern, six am Pacific
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2: Could be some changes at North Carolina with Bill Belichick
Speaker 2: and his girlfriend. We'll have that story for you coming
Speaker 2: up here momentarily. Craig and Wisconsin. Hi Craig, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind today?
Speaker 15: Dan?
Speaker 16: Could you beat Bob Costas in an arm wrestling matchup?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Given the health of my shoulder, maybe not, but I
Speaker 2: mean I would certainly try and give it my all.
Speaker 10: I was just.
Speaker 16: Curious, say, I have an idea on how we can
Speaker 16: take care of Draymond Green. I think he's an awful
Speaker 16: basketball player.
Speaker 2: No, he's a really good basketball player. He just has
Speaker 2: control issues.
Speaker 16: Well, I did a Google search for Timitt Washington and
Speaker 16: Kirmit Washington is seventy three years old, and I was
Speaker 16: thinking possibly fun office Silks, that Minnesota Timberwolves could sign
Speaker 16: him on for one game.
Speaker 4: All right, thank you.
Speaker 2: Craig Kerman, Washington punched Rudy Tom Johnovich, So I guess
Speaker 2: that's what Craig is getting to.
Speaker 4: Not funny. David in Ohio, Hi David, what's on your
Speaker 4: mind today?
Speaker 16: Hey Dan?
Speaker 21: You guys her talking about the pope, and I think
Speaker 21: it's time for Gary Doones to town for his sins,
Speaker 21: go to confessional because we've had four popes since the
Speaker 21: last Cowboys super bull degree.
Speaker 4: All right, thank you to.
Speaker 2: He's Pablo Torri, ESPN commentator, contributor to Around the Horn PTI, PTI,
Speaker 2: and Pablo Tory finds out podcast Metal Arc Media, and
Speaker 2: apparently he found out a little more than we realized
Speaker 2: about what's going on with Bill Belichick and his girlfriend
Speaker 2: at North Carolina. Pablo, good to see you. What did
Speaker 2: you find out? What did Pablo toy find out? San
Speaker 2: Good to be with you. Really good to see you
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: I on my show.
Speaker 18: For those not initiated, I take stupid things, sometimes extraordinarily seriously,
Speaker 18: and so I spent months of my life in the
Speaker 18: Jordan Hudson rabbit hole. I talked to eleven people who
Speaker 18: dealt directly with.
Speaker 4: Her, and a couple of things.
Speaker 18: Number one is that there was an enormous meeting at
Speaker 18: the University of North Carolina where the athletics department had
Speaker 18: to have a meeting with the football people and say
Speaker 18: that Jordan Hudson cannot be the face of our program anymore.
Speaker 18: She cannot be on the field, she cannot be around
Speaker 18: the building. She has taken too much when it comes
Speaker 18: to the airspace around how people think of the coach,
Speaker 18: the greatest coach in football history, arguably who when they
Speaker 18: hired him to be the highest paid coach in the history, Well,
Speaker 18: forget about any present day North Carolina stats. Just the
Speaker 18: highest paid public employee in the state of North Carolina
Speaker 18: right now. It was the opposite, right, They had no
Speaker 18: idea this was coming. Everybody is now actively worried, including
Speaker 18: I can also report members of Bill Belichick's own family
Speaker 18: that a thing that takes decades to build reputation premise
Speaker 18: on leadership and discretion and privacy and discipline and every
Speaker 18: other term, that now feels like it's the opposite of
Speaker 18: what his reputation is now in this news cycle, they
Speaker 18: feel like that's being destroyed. And it's because he gave power,
Speaker 18: the power to run his new media empire now that
Speaker 18: he has been freed from the NFL for the first
Speaker 18: time in decades. He gave that to a woman whose
Speaker 18: age has actually been misreported a lot, I also learned,
Speaker 18: but we can now say is actually today twenty four
Speaker 18: years old.
Speaker 4: Which bills reaction, any public reaction to this.
Speaker 18: It's hard to discern because she is the person who
Speaker 18: is on the emails, on the texts, is often ghostwriting,
Speaker 18: so his reaction will be mediated, I believe with her.
Speaker 18: I will point out that in New York City, where
Speaker 18: I live, on Wednesday, there was a talk that Bill
Speaker 18: gave to promote his book, The book that was disastrously
Speaker 18: you could argue non promoted at the CBS Sunday Morning Fiasco.
Speaker 4: He gave a talk and Jordan wasn't there.
Speaker 18: There might be something like a deliberate, if not not
Speaker 18: to borrow the terms of like another Hollywood separation, not
Speaker 18: quite a conscious uncoupling, but certainly a public difference in
Speaker 18: how they are presenting her omnipresence. And yeah, what I
Speaker 18: can tell you is that family members of Bill see
Speaker 18: this as something that is they have been investigating her
Speaker 18: too for a very long time.
Speaker 2: If the CBS interview doesn't play out like it did,
Speaker 2: do you think there's any change within North Carolina with
Speaker 2: her role with Bill.
Speaker 18: The fascinating thing about Belichick is that he has this
Speaker 18: inner circle people who have insulated him as best they
Speaker 18: can from all of these concerns, right, And so I'm
Speaker 18: gonna say, spoiler alert answer to your question is no.
Speaker 18: And the reason is because he is a football creature
Speaker 18: with a bunch of frankly yes men around him, Matt Patricia,
Speaker 18: Josh McDaniels. That's how they were described to me, not
Speaker 18: my editorial judgment. And the CBS thing sept Seeped has
Speaker 18: some septic but also seeping vibes to it.
Speaker 4: It got inside of his.
Speaker 18: Bubble, right that book the tabloid avalanche happening because she
Speaker 18: did something that and you know this, Dan, a SAVVYPR
Speaker 18: person doesn't do actually, which is forget that she's on tape,
Speaker 18: on camera, on Mike interjecting. And I'm told also that yes,
Speaker 18: the reports are true, that there's thirty more minutes of
Speaker 18: her interrupting, taking control of an interview that was supposed
Speaker 18: to be frankly a puff piece, an extraordinarily positive thing
Speaker 18: about this book about his leadership style, which could then
Speaker 18: be transferred to non football people.
Speaker 4: That was the premise of it.
Speaker 18: Ironically, that's what opened the floodgates, man, And at that
Speaker 18: point it became how do we deal with this? And
Speaker 18: at that point lots of people realized, now is our
Speaker 18: moment to say what we've been seeing behind the scenes,
Speaker 18: which is one of the crazier sagas.
Speaker 15: Man.
Speaker 18: I haven't even got into some of the other stuff here.
Speaker 18: If I can just give you one brief anecdote just
Speaker 18: to help illustrate the point here. There was a commercial
Speaker 18: that Belichick was filming, a seven figure commercial, not the
Speaker 18: super Bowl commercial, by the way, which we reported also
Speaker 18: Jordan Hudson insinuated herself into by representing herself as his
Speaker 18: agent to Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, a thing that
Speaker 18: afflic and Damon still talk about to this day. By
Speaker 18: the way, that she was in that commercial, that she
Speaker 18: got paid that they negotiated with her for belichick separate commercial,
Speaker 18: earlier commercial for one of the podcasts he was doing
Speaker 18: seven figure shoots scripted. She shows up, She's not a
Speaker 18: person in the public view, no CBS interview. Yet none
Speaker 18: of this stuff has happened. She shows up and she
Speaker 18: again wants to be in the commercial, and she's talking
Speaker 18: about how this would be a hard launch. That's the
Speaker 18: relationship term. I've been given a hard launch of their
Speaker 18: relationship public announcement, and she says, hold on, I have
Speaker 18: an idea. She leaves, some time passes, the shoot actually ends,
Speaker 18: the real shoot. She comes back and she's wearing a
Speaker 18: yellow polka dot bikini and a sun hat, and she
Speaker 18: wants to film a scene where she is by the
Speaker 18: pool with Bill trying to get his attention. All this
Speaker 18: again very on the nose, the meta and the real.
Speaker 18: But that happens, and everybody there is like, what do
Speaker 18: we do with this? Like this is Bill Belichick is
Speaker 18: not betraying any emotional change. She's just going along with
Speaker 18: all of this because that's him. They're realizing, and they
Speaker 18: decide we need to do the thing where we tell
Speaker 18: her we're shooting a scene. They grab a camera guy
Speaker 18: and they proceed to shoot something that I am told
Speaker 18: they're not even sure the camera was on. They point
Speaker 18: a camera, they have her do something and they say, good, yep,
Speaker 18: got it good, and that's just what it's been like.
Speaker 18: That was at the beginning of her taking control of
Speaker 18: the media empire. Everything from there is sort of flowing
Speaker 18: kind of logically once you hear about that.
Speaker 2: And I said this after the CBS interview, if Bill
Speaker 2: has any hopes of getting back into the NFL, this
Speaker 2: really hurts you because you're giving control to Bill. But
Speaker 2: are you giving control to Bill? And and I would
Speaker 2: there's no way an NFL team is gonna go, you know.
Speaker 2: I think Bill he now's the time to bring him in.
Speaker 2: But in the final thirty seconds, what do you think
Speaker 2: is next in this story?
Speaker 18: I think you're gonna see people push back on the
Speaker 18: reporting out of North Carolina that I've said, which is
Speaker 18: that there was a power struggle in which the adults
Speaker 18: had to intervene. I think there will be disagreement about that.
Speaker 18: And I think that what is happening to my phone
Speaker 18: will continue to happen, which is that it will continue
Speaker 18: to melt. I signed up for this, I get it.
Speaker 18: Aggregation interviews like this are all great. I hope people
Speaker 18: listen to the episode. But I can tell you that
Speaker 18: everybody who's dealt with Jordan Hudson and one person said, quote,
Speaker 18: she is the worst person I've ever dealt with on Earth,
Speaker 18: and I have dealt with actual sociopaths. I'm not saying
Speaker 18: that that is everybody. I'm just saying this story Dan
Speaker 18: is extreme, and there's a lot, including injectable erectile dysfunction
Speaker 18: drugs as just a brief tease for what else we
Speaker 18: had to find out.
Speaker 4: Nice, he's there, great to talk to you. Thank you, Pablo,
Speaker 4: as I always dream, and as I always dream.
Speaker 2: Of course, Pablo Tory. Pablo Tory finds Out podcast courtesy
Speaker 2: of Metal Lark Media. Oh my goodness, there's a lot
Speaker 2: going on, A lot going on. I don't even know
Speaker 2: where to start with it.
Speaker 5: It's now.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised. I had somebody who did work with
Speaker 2: them on a potential commercial or promotional shoot and it
Speaker 2: didn't work out. But they they had problems because they
Speaker 2: were losing creative control. I'm going to dance around this
Speaker 2: a little bit, but I was given a heads up,
Speaker 2: and in fact I even told the Dans. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many months ago that was, but that was
Speaker 2: a while ago where I was giving a heads up,
Speaker 2: if you want to do something with Bill, everything goes
Speaker 2: through her, and she's got creative control. Man, all right,
Speaker 2: two hours in the books. I did not expect that
Speaker 2: story today, that's for sure. But we'll talk to Mark Messier.
Speaker 2: More phone calls coming up. It's a meat Friday. Fritzi's here,
Speaker 2: Seaton's here, Marvin Paulie yours truly two hours in the books.
Speaker 2: We're going to try to do it one more hour.
Speaker 2: Who's with me, Let's go let's go on here, we're here.