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Speaker 1: Charlene A.

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Speaker 4: Carruthers she Her is a writer, filmmaker, and Black Studies

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Speaker 4: PhD student at Northwestern University. A practitioner of telling more

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Speaker 4: complete stories, her work interrogates historical conjunctures of black freedom making,

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Speaker 4: post emancipation and Decolonial Revolution, black governance, and black feminist

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Speaker 4: abolitionist geographies. She is the author of Unapologetic, a Black

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Speaker 4: queer and feminist mandate for Radical Movements. Now, Lady, there

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Speaker 4: is so much more that we could say about Charlene,

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Speaker 4: but we're just going to jump right on in. So Charlene,

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Speaker 4: welcome to cultivating her space.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: You're so welcome. We're excited to have you.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we are definitely excited for this conversation. And so

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Speaker 6: we're going to start with our quote of the day,

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Speaker 6: which Charlene will sound really familiar to you because we've

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Speaker 6: been doing our research and this quote comes from one

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Speaker 6: of your Instagram posts. Oh and it was part of

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Speaker 6: a much longer quote. But this quote says, may I

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Speaker 6: do what I came here to do. And I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: say that one more time for the people in the

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Speaker 6: back in case you didn't hear it. May I do

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Speaker 6: what I came here to do. Charlene, When you hear

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Speaker 6: your words being said back to you and you think

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Speaker 6: about all that you do.

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Speaker 4: What comes up for you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do what I came here to do. Well,

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Speaker 2: first of all, thanks for thank y'all for having me

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Speaker 2: on today and for pulling that particular quote. Now I'm

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Speaker 2: curious about the broader context for what else did I say?

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Speaker 2: Where I just come from? Because the way my brain works,

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Speaker 2: when I think about what I came here to do

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Speaker 2: at any given time, it's like, what thing am I

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Speaker 2: going to do that I came here to do at

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Speaker 2: in order to like actually fulfill that particular part of

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Speaker 2: my broader purpose? And you know what legacy is it?

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Speaker 2: A part of That's what I think of, because I

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Speaker 2: don't think anything that I do is just magically exists

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Speaker 2: because of me as an individual, of course, or it's

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Speaker 2: like me as an individual, I pick I portant role

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Speaker 2: that I do to be a part of a much

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Speaker 2: that work like abolitionists work, all of that work. I

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Speaker 4: Me, beautifully stated, And that gave me chills when you

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Speaker 4: read that down. What a powerful quote, like so on purpose, right, So, Charlene,

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Speaker 4: we're going to dive more into the work that you

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Speaker 4: do and what you came here to do. But can

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Speaker 4: you tell us about your origin story, like how did

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Speaker 4: you become the Charlene Corrothers that we know today?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I just turned thirty seven almost a

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Speaker 2: my great grandmothers, and the mothers of their mothers, and

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Speaker 2: to do with the fact that both of my grandmothers

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Speaker 2: migrated from Mississippi to Chicago. My origin story has everything

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Speaker 2: at the same time, my travel around the country and

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Speaker 2: my travel across the world really raised me in ways

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Speaker 2: solo traveling I did, for solo traveling i've done, or

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Speaker 2: And so I've always been an artist. Well, I've always

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Speaker 6: Wow. You know we ask that the origin story question

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Speaker 6: in all of our interviews, right, and it's always so

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Speaker 6: fascinating to hear everyone's responses. And I truly appreciate how

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Speaker 6: you in your origin store, you are acknowledging all of

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Speaker 6: I think about how you shared of all of the

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Speaker 6: many roles that you have, right, community organizer, artist, author, filmmaker, doctors,

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Speaker 2: I know, yeah for sure.

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Speaker 6: And so when you think of all of the various

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Speaker 2: Sure? So? In my work, be it as a community organizer,

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Speaker 2: it three four hundred years ago, or be it even

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Speaker 2: that and telling more complete stories and thinking about who.

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Speaker 2: Who's a part of the dominant narrative, even the dominant

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Speaker 2: more complete solutions to the challenges what some people consider dilemmas,

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Speaker 2: Across the world, we can get to more complete, more

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Speaker 2: complete solutions. And so that's that's the that's what ties

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Speaker 4: Again beautifully stated, you're a writer, so I feel like

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Speaker 4: I'm going to probably say that after every answer you share,

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Speaker 4: so just get ready for that. But no, it really was,

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Speaker 4: I mean very powerful. And when you think about the

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Speaker 4: it requires a great amount of deliberate and intentional energy. Right,

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Speaker 4: And so what are some of the self care practices

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Speaker 2: So for me, how I take care of myself and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, amazing, amazing, amazing. All right, Charlie. That concludes the

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Speaker 4: There are all the good but thank you for sharing

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Speaker 4: Yes, so at this point, we're going to hope back

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Speaker 6: Good, glad you enjoyed it. And so diving back into

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Speaker 6: the interview, what advice would you give a person, regardless

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Speaker 6: of their age or ability status, looking to begin their

436
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Speaker 6: journey in activism. The first piece of advice I would

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Speaker 6: give anyone who is like.

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Speaker 2: It usually is a die people rarely take their time

439
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: getting into the work, is to be curious before reaching conclusions.

440
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: Ask questions. Ask questions not out of a space of

441
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: like agitation necessarily, but out of like a deep place

442
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: of curiosity because you want to know more. And then

443
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: also figure out how you can be of service as

444
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: opposed to how movement, especially at the beginning, can be

445
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: of service to you, Like, how can you be of service?

446
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 2: How can you contribute to work that began before you

447
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: got there, absolutely began before you got there? And then

448
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: I think also like humility is really really important and

449
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: oftentimes hard for people to grasp onto And I don't

450
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: mean like it should be practice humility without discernment or

451
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: humility without curiosity, but humility with compassion for yourself and

452
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Speaker 2: other people. And then to build on the curiosity that

453
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier is also a commitment to studying. Like

454
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Speaker 2: to study. Study can happen from watching films. It can

455
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Speaker 2: happen from being inn ap plitical education, study group, It

456
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Speaker 2: can happen from reading articles or books. I am almost

457
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: certain that reading is required no matter how you read,

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Speaker 2: no matter how you read, if you have the ability

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Speaker 2: to act us any sort of written form or audiobook,

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Speaker 2: even any sort of way to process literature written works,

461
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Speaker 2: however that is, it is necessary to take in literary

462
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Speaker 2: sources of information as a part of your study. And

463
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Speaker 2: so if audiobooks are your jam, do audiobooks. If reading

464
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: articles are your jam, start there. If you got a

465
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Speaker 2: book ahead of you and you need to read this

466
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Speaker 2: book over a year, do that, take your time, do

467
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Speaker 2: it with the group, whatever that is. I think that

468
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Speaker 2: reading is essential.

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you pointed that out, and I really

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Speaker 4: appreciate the fact that you shared. I want to say

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Speaker 4: modern ways of studying because I feel like when we

472
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Speaker 4: were younger, we used to be in the library. You

473
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: remember opening those big books and library you could smell

474
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 4: the smell the library, sit on the books, and now

475
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: it's like everything is just Google, right. So I love

476
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 4: that you provided those other aspects there for folks. There

477
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 4: seem to be competing priorities in the black community. What

478
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: are the things that we can focus on in our

479
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Speaker 4: communities that can make a big impact on the collective.

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Speaker 2: I think they're always competing priorities in any given community.

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00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: For Black folks, I believe one of our highest priorities

482
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: should be about how we're educating ourselves and everyone within

483
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: our communities in ways that reinforce love for ourselves and

484
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: each other. Collectivity over individualism, collectivity over capitalism, collectivity over patriarchy,

485
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Speaker 2: like compassion and dignity over patriarchy and all the patriarchy's

486
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: tentacles of transphobia and homophobia, all those things, misogyny, all

487
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Speaker 2: of those things that come from that. How are we

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Speaker 2: actually practicing love with each other and for one another

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Speaker 2: in ways that allows us to maintain our individual and

490
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Speaker 2: collective dignity and that requires like accountability that is not

491
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: reliant on punishment, because that's what so many institutions around

492
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: us teach us and reiterate or reinforce for us, and

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Speaker 2: I think there's always going to be competing priorities. And

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Speaker 2: just because we are black doesn't mean we're going to

495
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Speaker 2: have the same values or doesn't mean that, you know,

496
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: we are going to be anti capitalists, or we're going

497
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: to be anti parcural punishment, none of that. Just because

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Speaker 2: you're black. All of it is a choice. It is

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Speaker 2: all a choice. When the Kumbe River Collective talked about

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00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: identity politics, they were talking about politics that were informed

501
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: by their specific identities as being black, lesbian, socialist women like.

502
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Speaker 2: That's what they were thinking about. It was the set

503
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: of values that were connected to their personal experiences and

504
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: choices to take up a certain set of politics. And

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00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: so for me, it's like, okay, we black, what's the

506
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: next question, What do you believe in? And how do

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Speaker 2: your actions reflect the thing that you say that you

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Speaker 2: believe in. That's how I like to think about, and

509
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: then we can go from there to discern whether or

510
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: not we are actually on the same page. Because we

511
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Speaker 2: may not be.

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Speaker 6: That is so true, That is so true, and that

513
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Speaker 6: we because we are not a monolith, there is room

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Speaker 6: for us to have different priorities with the same goal.

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Speaker 6: Of liberation for black folks, and so we're gonna shift

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Speaker 6: gears a little bit. So you recently made your filmmaking

517
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Speaker 6: debut with the film short The Funnel. Can you tell

518
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Speaker 6: our audience more about it and what inspired you to

519
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 6: set the film in the nineteen forties?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So The Funnel is a short film that follows

521
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: a young black woman who was a poet living on

522
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: the South Side of Chicago and during the in the

523
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: midst of the foreclosure prices that black people were disproportionately

524
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: hit by and to around two thousand and eight. And

525
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: then she has this deeply spiritual experience in which she

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00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: connects with one of our ancestors who is also navigating

527
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Speaker 2: a housing crisis in the nineteen forties. So, I guess

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Speaker 2: I don't want to give the whole thing away, but

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Speaker 2: it was inspired by Sadilla Hartman's book Wayward Lives Beautiful Experiments,

530
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Speaker 2: where she looks at the intimate lives of these rebellious

531
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Speaker 2: anarchist young Black women in the early twentieth century, and

532
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Speaker 2: so I decided that I wanted to bring the story

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Speaker 2: to Chicago and the Funnel. The title itself comes from

534
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Speaker 2: a Richer write quote where He talks about the kitchenette

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Speaker 2: building as the funnel through which our polarized lives are lived,

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Speaker 2: and Sadia Hartman writes extensively about the hallway and how

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Speaker 2: black people live their intimate lives in these hallways and

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Speaker 2: these tenement buildings. And so this film, our film takes

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Speaker 2: place in a kitchen, largely in a kitchenette building as well,

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Speaker 2: where we look at the internet lives of black people. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm I guess I should start there. People can check

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Speaker 2: us out on the Funnel film dot com and they

543
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: can also follow us on Instagram at the Funnel Film.

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00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: We're the Funnel Film on Everything, and we're screening at

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Speaker 2: a number of film festivals across the country right now.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so make sure you all go out and support Charlene.

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Speaker 4: We have one last question for you, Charlene, and we

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Speaker 4: want to talk a bit about queer rights and access

549
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 4: to affordable housing. We know that those are still issues

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00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 4: today that impact Black Americans. Two questions here, what parallels

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Speaker 4: do you see between the issues now and then or

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Speaker 4: back then? And then what suggestions do you have for

553
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Speaker 4: those who want to help out their queer family who

554
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 4: might be facing housing instability at this time?

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Speaker 2: So in the Funnel, a number of the characters are

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Speaker 2: black and queer and trends who live in this kitchen

557
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: net building, and we don't actually state it in the

558
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: film because it's like not like if this is not

559
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: a teaching film where we say this person is this

560
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: and this person is that, Like, no, that's actually not necessary.

561
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: It's like, these are black folks. They have various experiences

562
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Speaker 2: in being black and living in these in these settings.

563
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: And so for people, first of all, don't put your queer,

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Speaker 2: trans child or family member out the house of their

565
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 2: queer their trands. That's number one. Don't put them out,

566
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 2: and don't be okay if one of your family members

567
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: put somebody out, don't do that. It's not okay. Trans

568
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: people are not your enemy. They're not your enemy. Queer

569
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 2: people are not your enemy. Queer and trans people, trans

570
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: people can be queer, all of that. They're not your

571
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: enemy's That's that's the first. Like start at home, and

572
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: then in your community where where what kinds of housing exists?

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Speaker 2: Is there housing for folks who have been houseless or

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Speaker 2: folks who have been homeless looking for a place to live,

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00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: and is it inclusive of all people regardless of their background. Like,

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Speaker 2: if there are things that are going to be created,

577
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: if you want to create, if you want to create

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00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: some sort of housing justice project, is it really for

579
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: all black folks or just for some people? Is it

580
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 2: even for people who are disable physically disable, who need

581
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: to get in and out like all of those things are.

582
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: Don't say it is if it's not, And don't say

583
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna build housing for black people if you don't

584
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: actually need all sorts of black folks, Just say who

585
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: leave out a whole swath of black folks? Because if

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00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: you know that, especially a number of black people who

587
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 2: do not have homes are young people who are clearing trends,

588
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: they don't have a place to live. And so how

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00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: is your housing, like the project that you're building out

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Speaker 2: your housing initiatives, how is it helping to meet that

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00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: need for folks? You know? And then what is it

592
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: just all? And then also who's already doing that work?

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Speaker 2: There are people who have been doing that work, support

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Speaker 2: their work, flank their work, and ask them questions about

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Speaker 2: how to do it as opposed to trying to just

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00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: figure it out on your own. Excuse me, I think

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00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 2: that's I think that's really important and in the question

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00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: of them, and now, unfortunately, so many things are the same.

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00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: In the nineteen forties, most black people when they moved

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00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: to Chicago, they could only live in a kitchen net building. Now,

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00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: of course, we have more options of places to live

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00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: in Chicago. Now there are places in other parts of

603
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: this country where you have to work a certain amount

604
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Speaker 2: of hour, You have to work well over forty hours

605
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Speaker 2: a week in order to even afford a one bedroom apartment.

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Speaker 2: And that is absolutely disproportionately impacting black folks. And so

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Speaker 2: it's not enough to buy up the block. It's not

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Speaker 2: enough to buy up the block. What is the housing

609
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: policy in your state, what's the hot housing policy in

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Speaker 2: your city, what is our federal housing policy? All those things.

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Speaker 2: Individuals are not going to solve the problem on their own.

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00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: Of course, millionaires, a billionaire should be taxed up. They

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00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: should absolutely be tax tax, tax, tax tax, that's one part.

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00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: But your individual homie buying up the block. Sure it

615
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: can help folks, but that is not the solution. Actually,

616
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: our government owes us a lot more than we receive.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you better say that all

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00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 6: of it, because I think it's something that needs to

619
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Speaker 6: be heard, and Charlene, I think you know. I just

620
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Speaker 6: want to thank you for all of the work that

621
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Speaker 6: you do through all of the various avenues in which

622
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 6: you are putting things out there for folks to see

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Speaker 6: and hear.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 6: And so for folks who haven't figured out who you

626
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 6: are yet, let's let the people know where they can

627
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 6: find you on social media, what other projects you have

628
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 6: in the works, where they can get your books so

629
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Speaker 6: that they can start their reading. So let's let the

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Speaker 6: people know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, my website is Charlene Caruthers dot com. I'm

632
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Speaker 2: on Instagram, same name, Charlene Carruthers. I'm also on Twitter,

633
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: not very much these days, but Charlolene's cac I'm on there.

634
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: I pop in and out for sure, usually to live

635
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: tweet marrit at First Sight or something like that, but

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00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: I'll retweet other things and then I also you. Of course,

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Speaker 2: you can purchase Unapologetic at any independent bookstore or anywhere

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00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: frankly online. It's available in heart back paperback. It's a

639
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: hardcover pick. I don't know all these I told y'all

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00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: later it gets but you can get a hard cover

641
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: or you can get a paperback. You also get in

642
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: audio as well, and I'm actually reading it, so folks,

643
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: if you want the audio version, you can do that.

644
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: And then I actually just wrap. I directed another short

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Speaker 2: film produced by Full Spectrum Features here in Chicago title

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Speaker 2: l'a salida and it's about anti blackness in the non

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Speaker 2: black Liatin Next community. It's a narrative film, so it's

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Speaker 2: about it's actually following. It takes place in the midst

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Speaker 2: of the protests after George Floyd was killed in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: So I just directed that film. It was the story

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Speaker 2: was developed by David Rojas, community storyteller, and I directed

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Speaker 2: the film, so it should be out later this year.

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Speaker 2: And then you know the funnel and we're screening at

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Speaker 4: That is so amazing. Congratulations, and I'm just want to

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Speaker 4: and again, Charlene, thank you so much. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Of course, thank you for having me. Thank you.

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