WEBVTT - Best NFL Week 3 Bets + Favorite Props (Ep. 11)

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the Betting Pros NFL Podcast, brought to you by bet MGM.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Dan Harris and you can find me

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter at Dan Harris eighty. We did a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>successful week last week, going four and oh with the

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<v Speaker 1>Bills laying one and a half against the Giants, the

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<v Speaker 1>Chargers Colts coming in under forty eight points, the Titans

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<v Speaker 1>and Colts coming in under forty three and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sony Michelle rushing for more than seventy five yards.

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<v Speaker 1>Our guest last week, Andrew Kelly, had more of a

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<v Speaker 1>mixed bag, hitting on his Cowboys minus five over the

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<v Speaker 1>Redskins and Cooper Cup over eighty yards receiving, but he

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<v Speaker 1>missed on the Titans minus three and the Chiefs Raiders

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<v Speaker 1>over fifty three and a half. Let's see if we

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<v Speaker 1>can follow it up with an even better week while

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<v Speaker 1>looking at to be honest, a pretty tough slate in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, with me today to break down some of

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<v Speaker 1>our best bets, a bet to avoid, and our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>player prop bet. Is Adam Burke, a sports betting writer

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<v Speaker 1>at bangbook dot com and host of Bang the Book Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find them on Twitter at Skating Tripods. Adam,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing well. Dan, How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing great, buddy. You are the first two time

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<v Speaker 1>guest on this podcast. How does that feel.

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<v Speaker 2>I am very honored, very very honored. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely, I did. I really enjoyed when you were

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<v Speaker 1>on the first time. Do you agree with me that

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<v Speaker 1>this late is really really ugly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you said that you want to talk about a

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<v Speaker 2>game to avoid, and if I could, I'd avoid the

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<v Speaker 2>entire NFL card. It's brutal this week, and the thing

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<v Speaker 2>of it is, even the teams that don't have substantial injuries,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they're very high variance types of games.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's gonna be a tough week in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I agree. Well, we are here to navigate

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<v Speaker 1>you through it, and real quick. Before we get into

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<v Speaker 1>the show, I do want to remind everyone about our

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<v Speaker 1>worries there, all right, Adam, As always, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get started with pick six, where we are both going

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<v Speaker 1>to give three of our favorite bets for this weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>either against the spread or on the over under. And

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<v Speaker 1>as always, I will note at the outset that we're

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<v Speaker 1>recording this shortly before kickoff of the Thursday night game,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're not going to be making any picks on

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<v Speaker 1>the Titans Jaguars game, even if we wanted to. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to see how I picked that game,

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<v Speaker 1>you can go to bettingpros dot com. That's going to

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<v Speaker 1>show you how I and basically every betting expert who

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<v Speaker 1>makes picks on the site made their picks for every game.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're also going to be using the bettingpros dot

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<v Speaker 1>com consensus odds in making our picks. Here. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>the aggregate odds that you'll find available in the market.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, buddy, start us off. What's your first pick?

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say, you said pick six. I thought we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna talk about Jameis Winston for a little while before

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<v Speaker 2>we got into these picks. But you know, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I mean, I think this is such

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<v Speaker 2>a challenging NFL card, so some of these may have

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit lower of a degree of confidence than

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<v Speaker 2>I would typically have in the NFL. But we'll start

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<v Speaker 2>with the Detroit Lions, and the consensus line out there

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<v Speaker 2>now over at betting pros is six and a half. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is one of those instances where the

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<v Speaker 2>Lions are coming in pretty healthy overall, nothing that stands

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<v Speaker 2>out too much. The Eagles have all kinds of issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Doug Peterson canceled practice on Wednesday. They just went ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and had a walk through. And what really worries me

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<v Speaker 2>about this game, and we see this sometimes in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>With these big numbers, you've got to get some margin.

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<v Speaker 2>And for the Eagles, the running game isn't doing anything,

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<v Speaker 2>and what half of their able bodied receivers are out

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<v Speaker 2>for this game, So I think it's really tough for

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<v Speaker 2>them to get margin. Tough for the wide receivers to

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<v Speaker 2>get separation and help Carson Wentz out, and also too

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<v Speaker 2>to get margin with a secondary as bad as the

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<v Speaker 2>Eagles secondary has been here so far this season. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Matt Stafford can move the football for the Lions.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Lions take this game really seriously. Philadelphia's

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<v Speaker 2>banged up, and they've got a short week and play

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay on Thursday night. A lot of check marks

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<v Speaker 2>in the Lions box for me. So I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>tough to take a Lions team out on the road,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think six and a half it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit too much in this game.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you completely. Actually, they're now one of

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<v Speaker 1>my picks, of course, because I don't want to double

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<v Speaker 1>up with you, but I agree I would take the

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<v Speaker 1>Lions here now. Yeah, I think I'm not sure exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what it was when it first opened or maybe before,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Sunday Night game. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>at seven and a half. It might have been at

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<v Speaker 1>eight when it first out of curiosity. How would you

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<v Speaker 1>have felt about the line if it was at seven

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<v Speaker 1>and a half, if let's say Deshaun Jackson and Alshon

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey were healthy for this game, because it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>both are gonna miss as of right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, look, I like the Lions. I like

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<v Speaker 2>the Lions to begin with. On the opener at seven

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<v Speaker 2>and a half or eight, it's you know, a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit disappointing. I know you and I are both in

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<v Speaker 2>the Super Contest. It's disappointing that the Lions are plus

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<v Speaker 2>six out there in that you can find six and

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<v Speaker 2>a half in the market, and that they were over

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<v Speaker 2>a touchdown early in the week. But I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia is supposed to be all about explosiveness. Five yards

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<v Speaker 2>per play in two games here so far. I had

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<v Speaker 2>the Eagles last week in the Super Contest and they

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<v Speaker 2>were a half yard from winning. They were fourth and

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<v Speaker 2>three stop from winning. But they were not the right

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<v Speaker 2>side in that game. They did not play well at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So this isn't just sour grapes and going against them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just something misfiring with that offense. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's Wentz shaking off the rust or if

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<v Speaker 2>it's all injury related, but I don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of confidence in the Eagles laying big numbers against you know,

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<v Speaker 2>anybody not named the Dolphins of the Jets right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, the Lions have been a lot better than

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<v Speaker 1>I expected. I mean, they could easily beat two and

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<v Speaker 1>zero if they had managed to hold on against the

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<v Speaker 1>Cardinals instead of taking the tie in Week one. Their

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<v Speaker 1>defense was played a little bit better than I expected.

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<v Speaker 1>The offense, you know, it's given Matt Stafford a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of different weapons. Carrie on Johnson has looked, you know fine,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe hasn't taken the leap yet that maybe we all expected,

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<v Speaker 1>although we did have that long touchdown last week. So

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<v Speaker 1>in the end, this is for me. I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on your side for sure. It's as much about

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<v Speaker 1>the Lions as it is about the Eagles here, so

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. Even on the road. I do

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<v Speaker 1>like the Lions plus six and a half, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with you on that one. My first pick, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>with an over under here, and it's under forty four

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<v Speaker 1>on the Bengals at the Bills. Now, I also lean

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit towards the Bengals here to cover the

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<v Speaker 1>six point spread, but that's not going to be one

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<v Speaker 1>of my picks. The Bills' first two games have total

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three and forty two against the Giants and the Jets,

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<v Speaker 1>and they put up twenty eight points last week against

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<v Speaker 1>the Giants, but I don't expect them to do that here. First,

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<v Speaker 1>the Giants defense, as I said last week, is really

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<v Speaker 1>just abysmal. They might not quite be at the Dolphins level,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're really not that far off. And I fully

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<v Speaker 1>admit that whatever the Bengals did on defense last week

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<v Speaker 1>against the forty nine ers was not actual defense. They

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<v Speaker 1>had one of the worst tackling performances I've ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>in watching NFL games, But that does not really strike

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<v Speaker 1>me necessarily as this sustainable phenomenon. They really didn't look

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<v Speaker 1>like that against Seattle in Week one. Now you add

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<v Speaker 1>to that the fact that Devin Singletary is almost certainly

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<v Speaker 1>out for this game. And I love Frank More, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's safe to say that the Bengals aren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to be giving up, you know, close to two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty rushing yards. I like Josh Allen, but

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<v Speaker 1>still have the accuracy concerns. I don't hate Cincinnati's cornerbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a little concerned. You know, there are some

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<v Speaker 1>things when I was digging deep into this game, sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like Carl Lawson may miss this game, which takes away,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, since he's pass rush. But really, in the end,

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<v Speaker 1>what I think is this is probably gonna wind up

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<v Speaker 1>being a close and relatively low scoring game. I like

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<v Speaker 1>the Bills defense as a general manner, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>look the Bengals have issues on offense. Of course, they

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<v Speaker 1>still haven't recovered from Jonah Williams injury. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if Cordy Glenn is going to be back from the concussion.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't expect them to have a giant offensive performance either,

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<v Speaker 1>especially against the Bills defense. And again, Buffalo, for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to school there, and it's not rocket science.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tough place to play, even when you're not

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<v Speaker 1>in the winter. You've got the Bills, the Sabers and

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<v Speaker 1>Duff Swings, and that's pretty much all you've got in

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<v Speaker 1>that city. The fans are going to be raucous. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's going to be tough for Cincinnati to generate

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<v Speaker 1>much on offense. I don't think Buffalo has the offense

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<v Speaker 1>to carry that over under really by themselves. So I

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<v Speaker 1>see a close game here. If I were to pick

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<v Speaker 1>the spread, I'd probably go with the Bengals. But more

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<v Speaker 1>than the spread, I like the under here at forty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's scary. I kind of like the side a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit too. But I'm on the same wavelength with

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<v Speaker 2>you with regards to the under. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at what happened last week, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got to see this first hand with Kyle

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<v Speaker 2>Shanahan when he was the offensive cordator in Cleveland. He

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<v Speaker 2>took a collection of bums and made a decent offense

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<v Speaker 2>out of the wide receivers. The guy's just a brilliant

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<v Speaker 2>play designer, a very good play caller. Brian Daboles not

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<v Speaker 2>that guy, you know. Last week the forty nine ers

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<v Speaker 2>got a bunch of yards on screens, got some yards

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<v Speaker 2>on mistackles. I would expect Cincinnati to play a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit better, you know, in the back seven, play a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit better with their safeties here in this one,

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't have to worry about getting beat over

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<v Speaker 2>the top by Josh Allen the way that you do

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<v Speaker 2>with Jimmy Garoppolo or some of the other guys that

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<v Speaker 2>are out there. So I agree with you. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati can, you know, button batting down the hatches a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit here. And like you said about the Bills,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean also too for the Bills. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>they're up in the second half of this game. And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe this is part of the reason why I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the Bengals a little bit. Buffalo at three

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<v Speaker 2>and oh against New England at three and oh at

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<v Speaker 2>New Era Field next week. There's gonna be a look

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<v Speaker 2>ahead factor in the second half and in particular in

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth quarter. If the Bills have this game in hand.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. It's not like this is a three

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<v Speaker 1>point spread. I mean that's six points. It opened I

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<v Speaker 1>think closer to four when it first hit four or

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<v Speaker 1>four and a half. That might be a different story.

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<v Speaker 1>Although you know, I'm not going to be surprised if

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals come away here with a win. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to predict that necessarily, but six points that's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big margin right there. And if you think you

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<v Speaker 1>know that basically for the reasons that you said, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly don't see the Bills running away with this

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<v Speaker 1>game at all. And I certainly could see them basically

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<v Speaker 1>looking at what happened last week win Cincinnati and thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, we're gonna be able to take care

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<v Speaker 1>business at home. We've got the Pats coming up, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we can make a stand there and looking past them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I agree with that, and really, for me, just

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<v Speaker 1>last week, you know, I agree Shanahan and he had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of brilliant plays, but really the tackling was

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<v Speaker 1>so abysmal, and they're not that bad. That was just

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<v Speaker 1>a crazy sort of it struck me as a one

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<v Speaker 1>off because they really were not that bad against Seattle.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do expect a close game here. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we both kind of are on the same wavelength, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go with the under. So who's your second

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<v Speaker 1>pick here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and one other quick point. You know, Buffalo great defense,

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<v Speaker 2>great pass defense. You know, we know the Bengals are

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<v Speaker 2>probably gonna throw a lot, but also you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>seemed like reading some of the reports that were out there,

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Taylor really wanted to get Joe Mixon more involved

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<v Speaker 2>this week. I think that's kind of part of the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that he's looking to do when we all know

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a lot of hatred against running the football

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<v Speaker 2>in the NFL these days, not throwing the ball, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna move the ball in short or chunks. So that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of plays into Buffalo's hands a little bit, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with regards to the under here in this one, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as far as my next pick goes, Boy, this

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<v Speaker 2>one's ugly, but you know what, I gotta look at

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<v Speaker 2>the Raiders. I mean, they're plus nine and a half

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<v Speaker 2>out there now on the consensus odds again eight and

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<v Speaker 2>a half in the Super Contest, So not losing any

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<v Speaker 2>key value or anything like that. Still would like to

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<v Speaker 2>get the best line possible, But this was one that

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<v Speaker 2>I isolated pretty quickly because you know, again you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the NFL, you talk about trying to get margin.

0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota's gonna run the football, and if they run it

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<v Speaker 2>down Oakland's rout and run for two hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five two hundred and fifty yards, then sure I could

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<v Speaker 2>see a path to them covering this number. But one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that's really impressed me about Oakland so far this year.

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<v Speaker 2>They played very well in the first half against Denver,

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<v Speaker 2>and they played very well in the first quarter against

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas City before Patrick Mahomes just took over the game.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's gonna happen. I mean, Mahomes is gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>that to much better teams than Oakland. But Oakland tried

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<v Speaker 2>to change up a lot on defense last week. There

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<v Speaker 2>were a lot of miscommunications, guys kind of running free

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<v Speaker 2>on slant routes. Mahomes made some throws over the top

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<v Speaker 2>where he got some long touchdown passes. Oakland's gonna play

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<v Speaker 2>a simplified base defense here this week. Paul Gunther familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with Mike Zimmer from their time together in Cincinnati. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>have an idea of what the Vikings want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>They're gonna sell out against the run. They'll make Kirk

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<v Speaker 2>Cousins beat them. And I really haven't seen much from

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk Cousins that would suggest that he was gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>out there and cover almost a double digit numbers. So

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<v Speaker 2>for Oakland, look, they don't play a home game again

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<v Speaker 2>until November third, And this is an angle I've looked

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<v Speaker 2>at before in the NBA, in the NHL, the first

0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.840
<v Speaker 2>game of a road trip, you get a team's best effort.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to set the road trip off on the

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<v Speaker 2>right foot. They're as fresh as they're going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I could get a really good effort from Oakland here

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<v Speaker 2>this week. I'm not so sure about Minnesota coming off

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<v Speaker 2>of last week's loss, and in a divisional sandwich with Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>On deck, that's you make a lot of really interesting points.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the thing about the Raiders defense last

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<v Speaker 1>week is that it wasn't just that they played well

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<v Speaker 1>in the first quarter and then Mahomes put up twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight points in the second quarter. Whi's true, but he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't put up anything other than that. It was legitimately

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<v Speaker 1>one quarter. For three quarters, they generally held the Chiefs

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<v Speaker 1>in check. Now I know, of course, it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different. The Chiefs were ahead, so it's not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. But they have been much better, in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, than what I expected. Now, this line, originally

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<v Speaker 1>I think was close. It might have opened at seven

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<v Speaker 1>and a half, and at that point I felt a

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<v Speaker 1>little more comfortable with the Vikings. I don't think I

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<v Speaker 1>feel comfortable either way on this game. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>have not. Part of me really expects this, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that. I'll mention them later in the player prop.

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<v Speaker 1>I expect it to be a little bit more of

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<v Speaker 1>a get right game for the Vikings. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>they have just looked a little bit out of sorts.

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<v Speaker 1>He had the first game where they won, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk Cousins through ten passes. Then last week against the

0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Packers they got way behind. You know, the passing game

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<v Speaker 1>has obviously not been working. Cousins hasn't looked good really

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<v Speaker 1>since he's been with the Vikings, but certainly not yet

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<v Speaker 1>so I do see a scenario where they try to

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<v Speaker 1>essentially open it up a little bit and put on

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<v Speaker 1>more points rather than lean on the run, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're going to do generally throughout the season. But

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<v Speaker 1>at nine and a half, that's a big number. But

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I don't know, it was a little scary

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of take it. Nine and a half makes

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<v Speaker 1>me lean towards the Raiders, But for me, I was

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<v Speaker 1>a little worried about picking them.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's completely understandable. I mean, you know, the Raider

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<v Speaker 2>is not exactly a team that's gained a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>of trust over the last few years. The thing of

0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.920
<v Speaker 2>it for me is they're going to be prepared. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think what we've seen so far from John Gruden.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, obviously he doesn't get along with Mike Mayock,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, he's kind of put his own stamp

0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.400
<v Speaker 2>on the personnel for this team. But they're usually prepared

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<v Speaker 2>as long as they're not in a spot where they're

0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna quit or something like that. The team is ready

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<v Speaker 2>to go. Now if they get out talented, and that's

0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.160
<v Speaker 2>very possible here against Minnesota, that's one thing. But I

0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.560
<v Speaker 2>think that they're going to be ready to go here,

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<v Speaker 2>and to me, I think when you're a big underdog

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<v Speaker 2>and underdog of this magnitude, that's half the battle to

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<v Speaker 2>be focused, to be engaged, to be ready to go

0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.200
<v Speaker 2>out there and give a good performance. So Minnesota certainly

0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:34.880
<v Speaker 2>can run it up and they can salt the game

0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:36.880
<v Speaker 2>away with the running game if they want to. But

0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I think Oakland's gonna be in a decent spot here.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, like I said, I mean, you've got some

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<v Speaker 2>injuries here. Once again, injuries in play with every game,

0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.120
<v Speaker 2>some injuries in the back seven for Minnesota. Anthony bar

0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.680
<v Speaker 2>did in practice on Thursday. They've got some other guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Mackenzie Alexander is not gonna play, so maybe Oakland could

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<v Speaker 2>take advantage of that through the air, and especially in

0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.360
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the field with how they've been using

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<v Speaker 2>the tight end so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, you make a lot of go points.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not something that I'm running away from. And if

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<v Speaker 1>I was forced to pick one side, I would go

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<v Speaker 1>with the Raiders. But for now, it's really because the

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<v Speaker 1>spread has gotten much higher than I expected. Again, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what you mentioned in the Super contest. It

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<v Speaker 1>might be eight I think, but at nine and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something that's a little too dicey for me to

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<v Speaker 1>even think about relying on the Vikings, even though I

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<v Speaker 1>could see a scenario where they really run it up

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<v Speaker 1>switching gears to my second pick. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be too happy with it, because you

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<v Speaker 1>are a Cleveland fan, if I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Correctly, right, yes, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, I am taking the Rams laying three

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<v Speaker 1>in Cleveland. Now this is a really, really, really public play,

0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.920
<v Speaker 1>which makes me nervous because really you always I never

0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.560
<v Speaker 1>want to be on that side. And it's something like

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five percent of the bets and the money is

0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:54.400
<v Speaker 1>coming in on the Rams. I really am surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>this is where the numbers came. Now, I'm a Jets fan.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched Monday Night pretty closely. If anything, I downgraded

0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.000
<v Speaker 1>them after that game. I mean, the offense, for whatever reason,

0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.960
<v Speaker 1>looks really really stagnant. The late eighty nine yard slant

0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.440
<v Speaker 1>to Beckham makes the offensive totals look better than they were,

0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.400
<v Speaker 1>but they had very little going on offensively for most

0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.080
<v Speaker 1>of that game. And that is against the Jets team

0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.160
<v Speaker 1>that was missing both Quinn Williams and CJ. Mosley and

0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.680
<v Speaker 1>has really nothing in their secondary other than Jamal Adams.

0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Mayfield's already been sacked eight times, and the Browns now

0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.840
<v Speaker 1>have lost David Djoku. I get it, he was not

0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.840
<v Speaker 1>particularly involved, but he is another weapon that teams at

0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.360
<v Speaker 1>least needed to account for him. As for the other

0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.120
<v Speaker 1>side of the balls, for their defense, look, Miles Garrett

0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.800
<v Speaker 1>is a beast, but the Jets were playing their second

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<v Speaker 1>and then third string quarterbacks and they have an absolutely

0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.520
<v Speaker 1>terrible offensive line. I know the Rams offensive line is

0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.720
<v Speaker 1>not what it was last year, and they've already got

0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.440
<v Speaker 1>some backups in already. They may be missing Austin Blythe

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<v Speaker 1>in this game, so it's possible. But I'm not overly

0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.160
<v Speaker 1>excited about the Browns defense just because they had a

0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.960
<v Speaker 1>good performance against the Jets. Now, as for the ram

0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.040
<v Speaker 1>I get it, they have not looked like world beaders.

0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.720
<v Speaker 1>It's been a long time since Jared Goff really showed

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<v Speaker 1>what he can do. I think it might be ten

0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.280
<v Speaker 1>straight games that he's been or maybe once in the

0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.440
<v Speaker 1>last ten games where he's been over three hundred yards

0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.200
<v Speaker 1>and that's it. And they barely snuck by a Carolina

0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.199
<v Speaker 1>team with a Cam Newton struggling, and they barely, not barely,

0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.280
<v Speaker 1>but they were close with the Saints and of course

0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.520
<v Speaker 1>got lucky with the fact that that touchdown was not counted,

0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.320
<v Speaker 1>and then they went by, you know, a Teddy Bridgewater

0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.440
<v Speaker 1>led team. So I just in the end, I think

0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.800
<v Speaker 1>they are a better team here. I like a lot

0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.840
<v Speaker 1>of the Browns pieces on defense. I like Denzel Ward,

0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and I like Greedy Williams. But you know, Golf has

0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.680
<v Speaker 1>four weapons on any given play that he can easily

0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.960
<v Speaker 1>go through. They still have a strong defense with Aaron Donald,

0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.560
<v Speaker 1>who it sounds like the back injury is not a

0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.760
<v Speaker 1>big deal. They still have the strong corners with Talib

0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and Peters. And again, Cleveland's coming off a short week

0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.000
<v Speaker 1>here in a game where Baker Mayfield was still taking

0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.600
<v Speaker 1>hits at the very end of a blowout game. I

0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.960
<v Speaker 1>know we've got the whole West Coast team traveling east,

0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.760
<v Speaker 1>but I just do not see it right now with

0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the Browns. I don't know how they're going to long term,

0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.040
<v Speaker 1>but right now I am not at all confident in

0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.280
<v Speaker 1>them giving the Rams here laying three in Cleveland.

0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Cleveland fan, but you know what I mean, you

0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.639
<v Speaker 2>have no fandom when it comes to your money. So

0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm on the same side here with you as the Rams.

0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, you know, as you mentioned, Baker Mayfield

0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.680
<v Speaker 2>just hasn't looked very good and he's had some time

0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.040
<v Speaker 2>to throw, you know, I mean the pocket has collapsed

0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.640
<v Speaker 2>a few times, but he's also been holding the ball

0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.239
<v Speaker 2>way too long underthrowing guys. I mean, Odell made two

0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.119
<v Speaker 2>big plays in that game against the Jets, and that

0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.159
<v Speaker 2>was a pretty big majority of their offense. So I

0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.359
<v Speaker 2>agree with you about the Browns offense, But what I

0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.720
<v Speaker 2>want to focus on, since you covered most of it,

0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.639
<v Speaker 2>is the defense. You know. Yeah, you've got Miles Garrett,

0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.879
<v Speaker 2>You've got Olivia Olivia Vernon on the other side, but

0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.119
<v Speaker 2>in this game, you're not gonna have Christian Kirksey for

0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.640
<v Speaker 2>the Browns. And to me, I know you said before

0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:48.800
<v Speaker 2>we started recording here that you're a Jets fan. You know,

0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.160
<v Speaker 2>seej Moseley being out last week really hurt that defense. Yeah,

0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.080
<v Speaker 2>I think Christian Kirksey being out for the Browns really

0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.280
<v Speaker 2>hurts their defense as well. They're young in the secondary

0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.359
<v Speaker 2>with Greedy Williams and Denzel war and then now it

0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.320
<v Speaker 2>was like probably Mack Wilson on then Taki Taki, the

0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.560
<v Speaker 2>kid out of what is it Utah? You know, I

0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.720
<v Speaker 2>think those guys are gonna be playing with Joe Schobert

0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.359
<v Speaker 2>and Showbert's a great run stopper, he's not a good

0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.560
<v Speaker 2>pass coverage linebacker. Sean McVay is going to be able

0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.920
<v Speaker 2>to attack that second level of the Browns defense here,

0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.240
<v Speaker 2>and he's gonna be able to do it with quick throws.

0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.040
<v Speaker 2>He's got the receivers to do it. And what is

0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.880
<v Speaker 2>the best defense against a good pass rush to get

0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the ball out quickly. I think Sean McVay has got

0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.679
<v Speaker 2>a great game plan coming up this week. The Browns

0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.439
<v Speaker 2>defense is gonna miss Kurtsey badly. And also, if this

0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.760
<v Speaker 2>becomes any kind of shootout, and I don't think it

0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.639
<v Speaker 2>will spoiler alert, but Cleveland can't score with the Rams.

0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.080
<v Speaker 2>They just can't do it at this point in time,

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<v Speaker 2>with how disjointed that offense looks. So I'm on the

0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.840
<v Speaker 2>same side as you here. I like the Rams as

0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:50.800
<v Speaker 2>much as it pains me to say that. I will

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<v Speaker 2>say if it goes back up to three and a half,

0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.480
<v Speaker 2>which is certainly a possibility here, all the threes out

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<v Speaker 2>there with extra juice, I'd like it less, you know,

0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.119
<v Speaker 2>just because crazy things can't happen in these primetime games.

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<v Speaker 2>But the best way I can put it is this,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a big boy game for Cleveland, for a

0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.080
<v Speaker 2>team that has not been in big boy games for

0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.000
<v Speaker 2>a very long time. The spotlight is on the Rams,

0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.679
<v Speaker 2>who know they haven't played well. This almost feels like

0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.040
<v Speaker 2>the get right game that you referenced for Minnesota, but

0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:16.760
<v Speaker 2>for the Rams.

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, yeah, I something about Cleveland just does

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<v Speaker 1>not look right right now. Whatever it is, they are

0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.199
<v Speaker 1>not in sync. They did not look good against the

0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Titans in the first game. They I don't care what

0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the final score was. They did not look good against

0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.120
<v Speaker 1>the Jets. That should have been you know, an easy

0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.719
<v Speaker 1>easy at least on offense. They really should have been

0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.680
<v Speaker 1>able to put up points much, you know, more easily

0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.880
<v Speaker 1>than they did. The Jets defense again without Moseley, without

0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Quinn Williams, they just they did not have anything that

0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.159
<v Speaker 1>should have been able to stop them. And Mayfield just

0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the wrong. You nailed it with him holding the ball

0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.320
<v Speaker 1>way too long. I just feel like, in the end,

0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.440
<v Speaker 1>it worries me that the public is so on this

0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.359
<v Speaker 1>and it feels to me like you know, I would

0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.480
<v Speaker 1>think that the it would be moving a little higher

0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.600
<v Speaker 1>at this point the spread, but in the end, it's

0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.040
<v Speaker 1>staying three. For now, I'm gonna take it at three.

0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.560
<v Speaker 1>And I feel kind of comfortable with that, even though

0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.800
<v Speaker 1>it's something about it, especially because the public's all in

0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:10.960
<v Speaker 1>on it feels a little off. So I'm gonna stick

0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:12.880
<v Speaker 1>with them at three. Who's your third pick here?

0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this one, This line kind of got away from

0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.359
<v Speaker 2>me a little bit here today since I mentioned the

0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.600
<v Speaker 2>three plays, but I'll stick with it here for continuity purposes.

0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Talking more about this Rams in Cleveland game. I mean, look,

0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I like the under in this game. You know, I

0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.040
<v Speaker 2>think you've got two defensive lines that can get after

0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the quarterback. And as much as I think McVeigh plans

0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.199
<v Speaker 2>for you know, quick out slants, hot routes, all that

0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing to slow down Miles Garrett and Vernon,

0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean they're still gonna get there. You know, Miles

0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Garrett is a freak of nature. He's gonna get there

0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.200
<v Speaker 2>no matter what you try to do, no matter what

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of help you put over there, He's gonna find

0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.320
<v Speaker 2>a way to disrupt Jared Goff And we all know

0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>about the Jared Goff home road splits. He's not good

0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.760
<v Speaker 2>on the road, and maybe that's one of the reasons

0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:55.840
<v Speaker 2>you and I do have a little bit of hesitation

0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:58.960
<v Speaker 2>about the Rams minus three, But man, I don't see

0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.320
<v Speaker 2>it from Baker. I just don't. And I know the

0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Rams last year weren't a very good defense. But Wade

0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Phillips is going to confuse this kid. He's gonna give

0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.920
<v Speaker 2>him a lot of different coverages to look at. Maybe

0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.280
<v Speaker 2>OBJ and Jarvis get free, but they're missing in Djoku.

0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Chubb doesn't seem to have that same burst early on

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:18.919
<v Speaker 2>in the year that he had last season. The offensive

0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.919
<v Speaker 2>line has been not good at run blocking, and you know,

0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.119
<v Speaker 2>they've done as good as they can pass blocking, but

0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Baker's kind of screwed the pooch on that. I don't

0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.600
<v Speaker 2>see the Browns doing a whole lot offensively in this game,

0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.400
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know how much the Rams will do either,

0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.840
<v Speaker 2>enough to cover the number, I think, but still I

0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:36.720
<v Speaker 2>like the under here in this one. I believe it's

0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.240
<v Speaker 2>forty seven and a half forty eight now, but there

0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:40.960
<v Speaker 2>were some fifties earlier on in the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even at forty seven and a half, which is

0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.119
<v Speaker 1>where the consensus line is. I'm with you. I again,

0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:49.040
<v Speaker 1>it's it's really just whatever is going on. I mean,

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:50.359
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they put up I think it was

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty three points in the end against the Jets again

0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 1>a really late slant against an exhausted Jets defense that

0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, Odell took that the house. They were settling

0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:01.680
<v Speaker 1>for field goal. They just were not moving the ball

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.199
<v Speaker 1>particularly well. The offense seems disjointed, and the Rams, I mean,

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.879
<v Speaker 1>they're no longer this really crazy high powered offense, at

0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 1>least they haven't been for a while. They've still got

0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 1>tons of weapons, but on the road, I don't really

0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.960
<v Speaker 1>expect them to drop a thirty spot necessarily or anything

0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 1>like that. So I am entirely with you on that one.

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.040
<v Speaker 1>I do like the under at forty seven and a

0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 1>half for my third pick. I don't know if we're

0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:26.240
<v Speaker 1>going to be an agreement here, buddy, because I feel

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:28.919
<v Speaker 1>a little nervous about it. But I just in the end,

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.160
<v Speaker 1>when I keep breaking it down, I keep coming back

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 1>to it, and that's actually the Saints getting four in Seattle.

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 1>So the public, I'm going against the public, which always

0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.000
<v Speaker 1>makes me feel a little bit better. I think in

0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the end, I just don't think Seattle is all that good.

0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 1>They've won their two games by a combined three points,

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 1>which includes a home win against a poor and banged

0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:54.200
<v Speaker 1>up Bengals team. They barely squeak by Mason Rudolph. And look,

0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:56.359
<v Speaker 1>we know what their offense is at this point. You know,

0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.280
<v Speaker 1>they have Wilson, they have a couple of playmakers, but

0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 1>it's still Brian Schottneimer running the offense. They still want

0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.400
<v Speaker 1>to lean on this conservative run. First game. I think

0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.080
<v Speaker 1>they will be extra conservative right now, trying to win

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.679
<v Speaker 1>the game with their defense. And their defense is solid,

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 1>right They've still got Bobby Wagner, They've got kJ Wright,

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 1>they obviously traded for Jadeveon Clowney. They should get Ziggy

0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 1>ansa back, which is going to make me a little worrisome.

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.439
<v Speaker 1>But the thing about it is the Seahawks basically have

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 1>done no surprises through their first two games. On defense,

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 1>They're just running a base defense throughout there, leaving their

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>linebackers out there. They want to be able to stop

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the run, and they have so far, but they're not

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 1>really stopping the pass. I mean, we saw Andy Dalton

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:37.360
<v Speaker 1>throw for over four hundred yards in the first game.

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Mason Rudolph moved the ball well, and they're struggling against

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:43.080
<v Speaker 1>defending pass catching running backs, which is exactly what Alvin

0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Kamara does. They're averaging nearly seven yards per target. That's

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.720
<v Speaker 1>going to be a problem. And really, above all, for me,

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:51.720
<v Speaker 1>the Seahawks are basically saying, this is our defense. This

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.479
<v Speaker 1>gives us the best chance to win. We're leaving our

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:55.800
<v Speaker 1>linebackers out there. This is what we're going to be doing.

0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 1>And if you give Sean Payton a week to prepare

0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:00.920
<v Speaker 1>for that, even with Teddy Bridgewater, even with Taysom Hill

0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 1>or whatever he's gonna do, I feel like they're gonna

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 1>find ways to exploit that. Now, I'm not crazy bullish

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:09.480
<v Speaker 1>on the Saints. Generally speaking, they're probably gonna be without

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Trey Kuan Smith. They've got problems on their offensive line,

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 1>but I think Sean Payton is gonna figure out a

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:17.040
<v Speaker 1>way to attack them. Even with Teddy Bridgewater, who is

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>a competent quarterback, the Saints overall have a strong defense.

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be a close game. I see

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.040
<v Speaker 1>it as more like a three point game one way

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>or another. So for me, I'm gonna take the four points,

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:29.159
<v Speaker 1>but I'll be interested to hear whether or not you agree.

0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a tough one for me. I know

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:32.919
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna talk about games who would avoid, and this

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:34.919
<v Speaker 2>was one of them that was in consideration for me.

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what Teddy Bridgewater is gonna look like here,

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 2>And again, what happens a lot of times the NFL

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.160
<v Speaker 2>is such a you know, it's all about immediate reaction.

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:46.200
<v Speaker 2>It's all about, you know, overreaction when it comes to

0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 2>things from a betting standpoint, Yeah, Bridgewater looked terrible last week.

0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.560
<v Speaker 2>But also, I mean, you're all franchised future Hall of

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Fame quarterback went out guy who really hasn't been hurt

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 2>very much over the course of his career. You're not

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 2>really expecting that over the course of the game if

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 2>you're Bridgewater. But I feel better if he came in

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.159
<v Speaker 2>and played well. Yeah. Absolutely, But now you've get a

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 2>week full of practice. And not only that, New Orleans

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 2>stayed on the West coast. You know, they didn't come

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 2>back home and then go back out there. They stayed

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:16.639
<v Speaker 2>on the West Coast, away from the local media, away

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>from their families. So they've been one hundred and ten

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 2>percent focused on this game and focused on putting Bridgewater

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 2>in a position to succeed. Now whether or not he

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.640
<v Speaker 2>can do that, I don't really know. You know, that's

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 2>something that we're gonna have to wait until the game

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.200
<v Speaker 2>to figure out. But I agree with you. You know, by

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 2>and large, I mean Seattle not a team I had

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 2>very high hopes for. Was against them last week with

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Pittsburgh in the Super Contest, and of course Big Ben

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 2>goes out. Russ was much better last week than I expected.

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 2>They kind of put it in his hands a little

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 2>bit more than usual. If they have to do that

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 2>again this week, I don't know if lightning can strike twice.

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 2>So if I had to play it, I agree with

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 2>your position on the Saints. I just don't feel like

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I have to play it this week.

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.680
<v Speaker 1>No, I understand, as we talked about, it's a rough slate.

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.639
<v Speaker 1>It is a really, really rough slate, and I'm not

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 1>jumping for joy over this game. I feel much more

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>confident in the Rams pick. But for this one, again,

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 1>it's just something where I think it's a whole different story.

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>And you basically pointed this out. If you have Bridgewater

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:13.640
<v Speaker 1>come in in the middle of a game where he's

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.160
<v Speaker 1>not preparing to start, they haven't game planned around him.

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>His strengths, surprise surprise, are different than what Drew breeses are,

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>So I think with a week to prepare, I think

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna be able to devise a game plan that's

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to do it. So in the end, look,

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I think the Seahawks, regardless of ending else, I think

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna look at this as probably something where they're

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:35.439
<v Speaker 1>not gonna try to be explosive. It's not gonna be

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>like last week against the Steelers with Wilson really doing.

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:40.360
<v Speaker 1>I think they're gonna play just sort of a strong game,

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>lean on their defense a little bit, and I think

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>in the end it's gonna be a close game within

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the four points either way. But I agree with you,

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm not overly confident in it, but it is one

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>of the ones that I feel strongest about this week,

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.480
<v Speaker 1>which should tell you something about this week. As we said,

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 1>all right, let's just quickly recap before we move on.

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.440
<v Speaker 1>You've got the Lions plus six and a half over

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the Eagles, the Raiders plus nine and a half over

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the Vikings, and under forty seven and a half on

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the Browns against the Rams. I also like the Browns

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>against the Rams, but I like the Rams laying three

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>in that game. I also like the Saints getting four

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 1>from the Seahawks and under forty four on the Bengals

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>at the Bills. So we'll review those next week and

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 1>hopefully we'll we'll have some good picks here. Now, before

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<v Speaker 1>called It's a trap where we list the game that

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 1>we are both avoiding. Now, do you mind if I

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 1>go first on this one? Just because I don't want

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>you stealing it? This is like the one game that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really desperate to avoid.

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 2>You cool with that, absolutely go ahead?

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 1>All right for me? It is you're right, I can

0:29:58.120 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>do what I want. Why I'm even ask for permission?

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>It's the Bucks and the Giants. I believe the line

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 1>is Bucks laying six and a half. Now. I like

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the Bucks actually as a team. I think their defense

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>is stronger than most people realize, and I would have

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>liked them probably at minus six and a half against

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Eli Manning, and realistically, I think their odds probably improve

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. With Daniel Jones, as Rufus Peabody and

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I talked about on Monday, but there's just too much

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>of an unknown factor here for me to really want

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>to get involved with it. Jones looked great in the preseason,

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know how much of that, if any,

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>will be on display during the regular season. And with

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>someone like Teddy Bridgewater who we just talked about, and

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 1>a coach like Sean Payton, I feel much more comfortable

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>as to what I'm going to be able to expect

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>when I see them in action with this one, though

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm personally staying away. I don't know how you feel

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>about it.

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually you know, I mentioned both of us being

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 2>in the Super Contest and it's really hard because, as

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 2>you and I said, this is kind of like having

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 2>bye weeks where you just kind of have to cross

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>games off the list. I actually like the Giants in

0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>this one, so this is one that I do kind

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 2>of have a little bit of an opinion on. I

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 2>think their defense is better than they've played. I think

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Kellen Moore in that offense with Dak Prescott, they're gonna

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>blitz a lot of teams here this year like they

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 2>did to the Giants. And then also, I mean, yeah,

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 2>you lost to Buffalo, but you know, Buffalo is a

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 2>pretty good team. I think I don't think people are

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 2>giving Buffalo enough credit market wide for what they've been

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>able to do here in the first two games. So

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>I actually like the Giants a little bit. And maybe

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 2>it's more of a fade of that Bucks offense and

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Jamis Winston in particular, because I do agree with you

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Bruce arians is doing work with that defense, and I

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 2>think that's what we kind of all expected.

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, look, Todd Bowles, whatever he's doing over there,

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>is really working with him. I mean, look, you might

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 1>be right about the Giants defense. I mean they allowed

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight points, you know, to the Bills. They just

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't see them. They don't have a pass rush. Really,

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't like their secondary outside of you know, Jenoris Jenkins.

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>It just it strikes me as something where I don't

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>really know whether or not they're going to be able

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to keep it close. And for me, it's just I

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>don't really know what to look at with Jones. I know,

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I think you know a lot of sharp beetters are

0:31:58.080 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>more in on them. I don't know. Also, how you

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>if you changed your view on it with then with

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Eli Manning, did you like the game before Jones took over.

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 2>No, I wouldn't have looked at it with you. I

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 2>think Jones can make throws that Eli can't at this

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 2>stage of his career, and you know, maybe help that

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 2>defense out a little bit. I mean that's part of

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 2>it too, is you know, if you've got a bad

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 2>offense or a very inefficient offense at that it exposes

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.479
<v Speaker 2>a bad defense in a hurry, especially in the NFL.

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:24.959
<v Speaker 2>So I think Jones can make some of those throws,

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 2>and also too, depending on the game plan they come

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 2>up with. Saquon Barkley is the best player on the field,

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 2>and I know Mike Evans is out there for Tampa Bay. Well,

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Barkley is the best player on the field. He's gonna

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 2>get more touches now with the Daniel Jones era, So

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that helps the Giants too.

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it should be interesting. I think for me,

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't ever read on Jones. I have

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 1>no idea what he's going to look like here in

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>his first game. I know he looked great in the preseason,

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's just something where something like this, when you

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>have these unknown in these variables, I like to stay away.

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>I will note though, that I am going to have

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:56.080
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0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.840
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0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>touchdown pass if you didn't have the boost of odds,

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>are currently at minus three thirty five, which makes sense

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>you assume that he's probably going to throw at least

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>one touchdown pass. But with the boosted odds that points

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.760
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0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 1>The odds that he's gonna throw at least one touchdown

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.400
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0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 2>My pick to avoid here, I'm gonna go one spot

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 2>down by rotation number, and that's four seventy nine, four

0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 2>eighty Carolina and Arizona. I mean, look, there's a very

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 2>good chance that Carolina is better this week without Cam Newton,

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>just because of how Cam Newton looked dealing with that

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 2>foot injury last week. But I don't know that for sure.

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you get from Kyle Allen in

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 2>this game, and also too for Arizona. Look, I know

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>they hung with Baltimore last last week and a lot

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 2>of credit for that, but once again, you know they've

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.719
<v Speaker 2>played really the equivalent of one good quarter in that

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>game on offense, and that's just not going to do

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>it more often than not. I know they got that

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.480
<v Speaker 2>tie with the Lions in Week one. I don't know

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 2>where Kyler Murray's at here. I'd like to think that

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe Cliff Kingsbury improves this team as we go along,

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 2>but also i'd like to think they he'd be smart

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 2>enough not to kick field goals inside the five. But

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 2>since he keeps doing that, and since I've been ranting

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 2>about coaching all year long on my podcast, I don't

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 2>know where this game ends up going. So this is

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 2>a definite stay away for me.

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm glad you brought that up because Arizona

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:33.240
<v Speaker 1>against Baltimore and the field goals last week was really,

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:37.399
<v Speaker 1>really maddening. I mean, I don't get it. I kind

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>of assume that they're going to learn their lesson from that.

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.879
<v Speaker 1>But it is interesting because the point spread I think

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>swung roughly five points. I think the Panthers were laying

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:49.320
<v Speaker 1>two and a half before the Newton injury. If I

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 1>had that correct and now they're getting two and a

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:55.280
<v Speaker 1>half for the same reason, then I'm avoiding the Bucks Giants.

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I agree. If you were out of curiosity, if you

0:34:58.080 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 1>were forced to choose a side here, which way would

0:34:59.719 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you go?

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 2>If I was forced to take aside, I mean, I'd

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.760
<v Speaker 2>have to go with Arizona, because you know, Carolina's defense

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 2>was so good a couple of years ago. Some of

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 2>those guys are aging, some of those guys have moved on.

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Of course, Steve Wilkes was you know, defensive coordinator there

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 2>for a year moved on. I would have to look

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 2>Arizona here, just because I think there's maybe some more

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 2>creativity to them that maybe Riverboat Ron can't really you know,

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 2>account for in the lead up to this game. Whereas

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 2>for Carolina, it's gonna be a lot of Christian McCaffrey,

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 2>and if you stop him, then you probably stop Carolina's offense.

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is why it's a good game to avoid,

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>because if I'm forced to two's, I'm probably taking the

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Panthers just because in the end, Newton was so terrible

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 1>last week against the Bucks. I had no faith in

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 1>him whatsoever. So if you're basically looking at the spread

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 1>to me, I get, of course, you know you're taking

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a replacement quarterback, so you know, theoretically it's a downgrade,

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and it probably isn't probably should be in the spread.

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 1>But if you're looking at the Panthers laying two and

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a half and now they're getting two and a half,

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to me, if anything, this might be an upgrade for

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 1>them on offense. So I think the point about it,

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 1>and that's really the reason I ask, because I kind

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>of assume that if you're forced to two sides. Most

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 1>people are probably gonna go with the Cardinals, right because

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>they've at least shown something and it's more of a certainty.

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 1>And I would take the Panthers if I was forced

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to choose, which I'm not and I'm not going to

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:21.839
<v Speaker 1>And I think that that pretty much highlights why it's

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.680
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<v Speaker 2>No, it's all good man, not a problem. You know

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 2>something I'm kind of looking at here, and this is

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 2>a game that I've kind of waffled back and forth on.

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 2>But Houston and the Chargers is a really interesting game

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:41.879
<v Speaker 2>in that four to twenty five window. Really all three

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 2>of those games interesting for different reasons, but we don't

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.360
<v Speaker 2>have all the injury considerations in this one. Kind of

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what the game flow may look

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:52.840
<v Speaker 2>like for this game, because you've got a Chargers secondary

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 2>now they're what on their third safety with Derwin James out,

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.319
<v Speaker 2>and then last week their replacement gets hurt. I kind

0:37:58.320 --> 0:37:59.800
<v Speaker 2>of feel like, if you're the Chargers, you want to

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 2>keep the ball away from Deshaun Watson as much as

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.359
<v Speaker 2>you possibly can here in this game. So I think

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Austin Eckler and Justin Jackson are both very busy, but

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I think Eckler is just a better fit here to

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 2>run against that Houston defense, get outside the tackles, make

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 2>JJ Watt go sideline to sideline, make Merciless run around

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 2>as well. I think that that I'm kind of looking

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 2>at Austin Eckler. I think that this player prop is

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:24.440
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0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 2>to fifteen range on number of carries that he gets.

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 2>I guess could be a pretty heavy workload for him

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 2>here in this game. I just think he's a little

0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:34.279
<v Speaker 2>bit better of a fit against the Texans than Justin

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 2>Jackson is, and mayhawk a couple of those carries as

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 2>a result.

0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, Eckler, you had the fumble late in

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>the game on the goal line when he stretched it unnecessarily,

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.240
<v Speaker 1>But he's the guy, I mean, and even though Jackson's

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>running well, Eckler is certainly the quote unquote Bell cow Back.

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean he's seeding some touches, of course, but they

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0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the run and try to control that game. I mean,

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's that game strikes me as a pretty

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>close game. I think it's the spread is Chargers laying three.

0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 1>I expect it to be tight because of that. I

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 1>expect also the Chargers to lean on the run a

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 1>little bit, even heavier than they usually do. And so

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 1>I definitely like that, especially considering without Hunter Henry. I mean,

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Mike Williams is there, but he's banged up. You know,

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 1>he played through it last week. But they don't have

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 1>that many passing options going on right now. So I

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 1>think leaning on the run in what is sure to

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 1>be a close game is a really good pick. I'm

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.400
<v Speaker 1>going to take Adam Thielen to go over one hundred

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>receiving yards and that's at minus one thirteen. Now, the

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 1>fact that the vig is so bad at even over

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 1>one hundred yards is kind of annoying, but there's a

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.800
<v Speaker 1>reason for it. I mean, it's been a bad start

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 1>for the Vikings passing game. We talked about it when

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>you were breaking down the Raiders Vikings game. But DeLand

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>had seventy five yards last week against the tough Packers defense,

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 1>even when Kirk Cousin looked pretty terrible. And as I said,

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>for the reasons I said before, it feels like a

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:54.840
<v Speaker 1>get right game to me for the Vikings, and especially

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>with their pass offense, because their rushing ability has been great.

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Cook has been amazed. He's doing great in the zone

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 1>blocking scheme that Kubiak has kind of let go there.

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:07.040
<v Speaker 1>And the Raiders' pass defense it's not great. The defense

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 1>as a hole has played better than I expected, but

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.400
<v Speaker 1>they don't really have a strong pass rush. They don't

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.279
<v Speaker 1>have great cornerbacks. But in particular, thelan's going to be

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 1>in the slot. He's probably gonna be guarded by Lamarcush

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Joiner and he has not done well in coverage there.

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:21.799
<v Speaker 1>I think the Vikings know that that is probably the

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 1>best way to exploit the Raiders to the extent they're

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>going to take advantage of it through the air. Now

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I like Digs too. I think he's going to have

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:29.839
<v Speaker 1>probably a pretty good game. But for me, I feel

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>like this is a game where the Vikings when they

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>do go through the air, they lean on THELAN pretty

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 1>heavily given his matchup in the slot. So even at

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 1>minus one thirteen, personally, I will take THELAN to top

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>one hundred yards.

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 2>And that is my worry about that game. You know,

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I think that John Gruden and Paul

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Gunthro are going to have the game plan of let's

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 2>stop the run. Let's make Kirk Cousins beat us. If

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Kirk Cousins is gonna beat him, it's probably gonna be

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 2>with THELAN. I know, Diggs is kind of the home

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 2>run hitter, had that touchdown taken off the board last week,

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 2>scored a touchdown, took his helmet off like a moron,

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 2>feeling probably is the guy here this week. So that

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 2>is my worry about, you know, Oakland covering the number.

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.800
<v Speaker 2>But you know, hey, I mean again, it's one of

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.359
<v Speaker 2>those things where he's got to he's in a time

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.919
<v Speaker 2>share with Digs. Basically, if who gets those looks, who

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 2>gets those targets? So hey, if he breaks a couple

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 2>of big ones, gets over that century mark, then he's

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 2>definitely in good shape. And unfortunately for me with Oakland,

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Oakland may be in bad shape.

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 1>If that's the case, well, I honestly think that he

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 1>can get past one hundred yards pretty easily, even if

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not a blowout, because I think when they go

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in the end, I like both of them. I think

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.279
<v Speaker 1>that they will establish it. But in the end, I

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:36.319
<v Speaker 1>do think that when they go to the air here,

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Feeling's just got the better matchup in the slot, and

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's really going to be where their

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:43.439
<v Speaker 1>bread is buttered. So I think when they go there

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:45.480
<v Speaker 1>they can get it. And I don't necessarily think that's

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 1>incompatible with the vikings not covering the nine and a

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 1>half points spread. I just think when they do go

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:53.200
<v Speaker 1>to the pass, that's really where they're going to go.

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:54.879
<v Speaker 1>But again, I like both, and I do think it's

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a get right game for the

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 1>passing game. Well that's gonna do it, my friend. Thanks

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 1>again for joining me again for ever two time guests,

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 1>so you'll always have that honor. Remind everybody where they

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:05.279
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0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:07.799
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