1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: R and B Money. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: We are. 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Than take valotized. We are the authority on tall thing 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: R and B. 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 3: My name is Tank Valentine. 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: This is the R and B Money Podcast. 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: Why are you doing? 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, I under saying the authority on all 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: things R and B. You're about to be acted. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 3: Let's seehere this is going. 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: We got some of that, yes in the bills. You know, 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: when it gets elegant, it's very you know when it 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: gets sexy and saxony, you know what it gets. 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: Brown Claire is here, so pro woman in the building. 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: You're the set. I'm saying, real singing. 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, real black woman, real writing. Yeah, huh yeah. 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to label before you long or no 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: intro because I want to talk to teacher about because 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: I want to talk to I want to talk to him. 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 4: Ship. 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to turn it on even Thursday quick. 22 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: I just think I just think that you're just dope. 23 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: I think that you're just awesome, and I think that 24 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: you're it's I don't even think you even have to 25 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: do anything. I think you just have a presence about 26 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: you and a disposition that it's. 27 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: Just like. 28 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what it's supposed And it's like when 29 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: those comparisons happened from the tiny desk, it was like, oh. 30 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 4: Do you see that? 31 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: What? 32 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 4: I don't see it? 33 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: You don't see it, not at all. 34 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. 35 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: They used to tell my mother she looks like Claire 36 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 4: hu It was like, what. 37 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: If Claire Huxtable could say Claire, probably can't you think 38 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: about it? Probably Claire is probably in the choir. 39 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, she has songs out. 40 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: You know what fair comparison? Listen it was, it was 41 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: it's a. 42 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: Thing, but we all have someone that people think. 43 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: But again it goes back to that energy. 44 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: Yes, that's the thing. It matches. 45 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: It's all that you're doing right now, Claire. 46 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: But we're not about just Claire Hexley. 47 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: Let you talk about Shah. Yeah. 48 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: First of all, you know, I'm I'm sure they didn't 49 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: whooped a couple of girls from them too, But. 50 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: Don't do that. 51 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't tell somebody something about themself. I know, 52 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: I know what you don't do. Let's go back to 53 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: the beginning. Can we go back to the beginning, of course, 54 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: can we like get into where where where all this starts? 55 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: Fatigra Moses? Who who points this out? Who tells you 56 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: or affirms you if you have a gift. 57 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 5: You know, my mama did. My mama used to and 58 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 5: I wasn't even thinking about singing. My mother used to 59 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 5: tell me these songs I should sing when I make 60 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 5: my album, you should cover this song. Or she would say, 61 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 5: you know, make sure you don't get all those cavities 62 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 5: in your mouth, because it is so disgusting when those 63 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 5: ladies be on camera and they's singing and opening mouth 64 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 5: and all that black stuff is in them mouth. I 65 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 5: wasn't thinking about any of this stuff. 66 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 4: I wanted to rap. I wanted to be a rapper. 67 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 5: But I think a lot of the greatest songwriters they 68 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 5: have that, especially of our era, have that thing in 69 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 5: them where you kind of like can just come off 70 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 5: the top of you here. So I wanted to rap, 71 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 5: and when I first started doing music, I wanted to 72 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 5: do it more aggressively than what actually came out. 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 4: But shout out to Paul PAULI he just smoothed it out. 74 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 5: He smoothed it all out for me and made it 75 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 5: a little bit more sensual and less raw as I 76 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 5: actually was at that time. 77 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: So who does where's your discovery moment? Where? Because I mean, 78 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: I'm obviously singing in church. 79 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 4: No, I missed all of that. My mother's sing gospel. 80 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I was like too shy, you know, in 81 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 5: a Southern Baptist church. 82 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 4: If you not. 83 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 5: Belting out and like really getting busy still, I don't 84 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 5: even think you can sing, you know. And my voice 85 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 5: was a little too sweet. I just kept it to myself, 86 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 5: sing in a shower. 87 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 6: You know. 88 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 5: But then I met a guy by the name of 89 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 5: Paul Pauli who produced my first album, majority of it 90 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 5: with me, and he was a producer for my children's father, Razkaz, 91 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 5: and he he introduced us and we just kind of 92 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 5: crafted this sound. I came in with crutches. He was like, 93 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 5: where is she going? She has crutches, she got a 94 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 5: broken leg. 95 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: What are we gonna do with this? 96 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 4: I came to the studio and crutches. 97 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: How did you. 98 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: I had? 99 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 5: I used to do wardrobe styling. So we were on 100 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 5: a set up a video and I was going down 101 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 5: the hill, just you know, going down the hill, and 102 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 5: all of a sudden, the momentum started building and I'm 103 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 5: going and I'm going, I'm going, and I jumped over 104 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 5: a boulder and my female bone just. 105 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 4: Breaks you jump over because I mean, yeah, it was 106 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: taking me. 107 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 5: You're young, you just got jump. 108 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 4: I'm gonna politely just jump it. 109 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 5: And so this is this is where my knee is, 110 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 5: and this is what my my leg is doing. 111 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 4: And so it was all broken. 112 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 5: And after that, I couldn't do wardrobe style anymore because 113 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 5: that wasn't my thing anyway. So it's like it's time 114 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 5: for me to figure out this music thing. And I 115 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 5: asked my children father to introduce me to producers. One 116 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 5: was a guy by the name of Khalil Khalil that 117 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 5: produces here in Los Angeles. I can't think of his 118 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 5: last name, and really dope and Paul Pauli. And Paul 119 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 5: Pauli lived in Glendale, I lived in Pasadena. Great little 120 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 5: you know. Yeah, So we just started cooking and that's 121 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 5: what happened. 122 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: And is it the music that that creates the discovery 123 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: on the next level or are you performing somewhere? 124 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: Are you starting to You had done no shows, nothing, 125 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: You just like, you know what, I. 126 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: Want to do it? 127 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 4: I want to do it. I was like I always 128 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 4: liked as. 129 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: A rapper as a singer at this point. 130 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 4: Initially it was like I used to do. 131 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 5: Like talent shows, rapping. My mother would take me to 132 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 5: the clubs and all these different stuff. 133 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: You know, this is New Orleans, this was. 134 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 5: I was in LA by the time I became an artist. 135 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 5: I moved to Los Angeles area about fourteen, originally from 136 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 5: New Orleans, Louisian an area called Kenna right outside of 137 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 5: I hear. 138 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: So many things. 139 00:06:59,240 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 4: What you hear? 140 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the thing. 141 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 4: I was from New York. 142 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: I was just about to say, you got some New 143 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: York on you. 144 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, because once I got here it started shaving up. 145 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 5: But I'm living back in New Orleans again, so scrabably 146 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 5: coming back out of me more. But yeah, like when 147 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 5: I first got here, I started, you know, just kind 148 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 5: of like dibbling and dabbling. But I didn't do my 149 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 5: first show until I already had an album. I was 150 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 5: signed to TVT Records. 151 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: So hold on, hot, how do you skip these steps? 152 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,119 Speaker 1: How do you get straight from demo to deal to show? 153 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: I don't know. I just was honest at the time. 154 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 4: I was just so honest. 155 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 5: I just was doing what I could, you know what 156 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 5: I mean, Like it was just pouring out of me. 157 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 5: And believe it, my first show, if I was to 158 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 5: show y'all video. I had so much energy how you 159 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 5: was talking about genuine jumping out there, That's how it was. 160 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 5: My energy was so on tin and I had to 161 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 5: like hone my energy in and learn how to really 162 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 5: perform because I was just hella excited. 163 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 4: But you know, we smoothed it out. 164 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: And what was so in your mind? Like if in 165 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: your mind at that time when you were like, this 166 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: is the artist I want to be right, what did 167 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: that feel like like if it's if it's comparing to 168 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 1: anyone or never thought. 169 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 5: About it, never thought about it. All I wanted to 170 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 5: be was tjer. I wouldn't even put weave in my 171 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 5: hair in the beginning because we had hair. You know, 172 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 5: I'm from the South. We pride ourselves for having hair 173 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 5: and all these things. So I didn't even put weave in. 174 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 5: Then I tore my hair up and have to start. 175 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 5: But yeah, like I we just were very natural girls. 176 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 5: I didn't want to do anything that wasn't the One 177 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 5: thing I knew in my mind is I wanted to 178 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 5: be relatable. You know, we come from an era of 179 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: like big stars. I didn't really want that vibe. I 180 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 5: wanted to be touchable. I wanted to be somebody that 181 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 5: was extremely relatable. So I that's all I had in mind. 182 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 5: And when I made an album, I wanted. 183 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 4: To feel like Aliah's Rockaboat. That's what I wanted. 184 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: Album itself to feel like that record. Yes, that's a 185 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 2: great start. 186 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: Gray Star. 187 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted it to be something that and cause 188 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 5: I love eighties R and B was just always so 189 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 5: sensual and like, you know, grown, and that's what I 190 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 5: wanted my my album to be on. But as far 191 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 5: as what kind of artists I wanted, I didn't know 192 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 5: how I wanted to dress anything. I just wanted to 193 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 5: be myself and I hone that over time, and that's 194 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 5: why I'm glad that that big thing that happens for 195 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 5: people didn't happen for me right away because I probably 196 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 5: wasn't ready because I didn't even know what I wanted 197 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 5: to present to you because I was just being myself. 198 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 5: I didn't want to become anything. I just wanted to 199 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 5: be myself. And as I grew as a person as 200 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 5: an artist, I became more clear on what that was, 201 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 5: what that was. 202 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: So you were signed to T TVT in the beginning, Yes, 203 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: that's like the label they had, like Little John right. 204 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 4: Yes, little John ying Yan twins people and me and 205 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 4: I used to roll with them too. 206 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: Of course, because that's how that goes. Though people don't 207 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: know that. 208 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 5: Like right too, you know what I mean. I'm I'm 209 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 5: I can be around men drinking and smoking and I 210 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 5: can play those games. 211 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 4: I can play those games and walk out with my heels. 212 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, tell me, I see it. I see It's 213 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: okay your first album. As you're going through these motions, 214 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: what are some of the things that you're discovering that 215 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: you know early on and just from your experience, like 216 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: the things that hit you immediately that you were like, oh, 217 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I got to figure this out. 218 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 4: Here's the thing. 219 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 5: I was blessed to have Neo in studio every day 220 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 5: as I'm recording these songs, and I think that he 221 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,479 Speaker 5: is one of the greatest. 222 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 4: Of our time. 223 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: You said Neo Neo. 224 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 5: I called him chaffer at the time, but he became 225 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 5: near absolutely, and he is one of the greatest vocal 226 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 5: producers of our time. And I was blessed to have 227 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 5: that when I knew nothing about this. All I knew 228 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 5: about was singing my lead lines, and I put a 229 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 5: little you know, three part harmony here and there. 230 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 4: And he taught me how to paint. 231 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 5: He literally taught me how to paint with my vocal 232 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 5: and I think that was the first thing I realized, 233 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 5: I have to tighten up here. This is where I 234 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 5: have to learn to really make complete records. That's the 235 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 5: first thing I thought of. My writing came natural. It's 236 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 5: more so like it would just pour out of me. 237 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 5: I have never taken a pin in written anything down, 238 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 5: because I don't think that's how it goes for me. 239 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 5: I just kind of stand in the mirror and look 240 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 5: at myself and start singing to myself, you know, and 241 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 5: it starts to pour out whatever's going on. It starts 242 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 5: to pour out. I just sing it over and over again. 243 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 5: But I would find when I go to the studio, 244 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 5: I would get stuck when. 245 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 4: It was time to paint the vocals. 246 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 5: And that was the first thing I realized, I have 247 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 5: to get very strong at that. And I've gotten much 248 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 5: better over that time, you know. 249 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so he worked on the whole first. 250 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 251 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 5: The only song that he didn't vocal produce and arrange 252 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 5: vocally arranged was Caught Up. That was the first song 253 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 5: I ever wrote in my life. Ever recorded, ever did 254 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 5: ever and that one was he but then we got 255 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 5: to the next one. I was just getting stuck. So 256 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 5: they called him because we want the same production company. 257 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 5: I think it was called Bridge Kid. We were both 258 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 5: stigned to the same production company and we would cook 259 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 5: every day, me Pauli and Neo. 260 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's really great because I remember early Neo Yeah, yeah, 261 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: me too, least work with Vig Tang. Yeah. And he 262 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: was like, I'm telling you, this kid is dope. Man, 263 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: Like you got to go. And I went over there 264 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: and they started playing songs. I looked at this little 265 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: nigga said, I said, I wanted yeah, yeah, he had 266 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: a smash for me. That that Uh, this is the 267 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: first time that I had heard that a writer wanted 268 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: in advance. 269 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, gold Neil. 270 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, get a nigga 271 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,599 Speaker 1: the money. Well, my label was I was like, no, 272 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: we don't pay no writers. I'm like this, listen to 273 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: the song. 274 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 4: The song, and let's say this too. 275 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 5: A lot of these tracks without the song, it's just 276 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 5: and then you put that personality, you put that that 277 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 5: you put the record on the record, Yes. 278 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: And why you're not gonna pay that person. Why would 279 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 4: you not pay. 280 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: Because traditionally the advance was always allotted to the. 281 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 5: Producer, So why wouldn't the producer? I got bills to pay. Baby, 282 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 5: My kid's tuition is to you can't throw me something. 283 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: Because in our genre of me, not even just our 284 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: genre of music, but our sector of music and black music, 285 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: it became where we just had more beat makers more 286 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: than even producers, because a producer could have been either 287 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 2: side of that in the beginning, right, and then they 288 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: share the wealth as they see fit if they didn't 289 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: pin the record or they didn't do the beat. But 290 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 2: then when you said that a beat maker was the producer, 291 00:13:59,600 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: it just. 292 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: Side you know what I'm saying. And they were like, oh, ship, 293 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 3: that's that. 294 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: That's they. 295 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: They said, I'm just I'm the producer because I've been doing. 296 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: Cool. The first person I ever heard of like kind 297 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: of taking that energy back was Missy Elliot. 298 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely, yep, Absolutely, she. 299 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: Was a person where it was like she's like, I'm 300 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: taking this from Okay, you brought it the beat, which 301 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: which takes us from A to maybe G but from 302 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: g on that's me, that's right, And without g on, 303 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: that's sitting on the CD. I'm the producer and this 304 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: is my fee. And so, like going back to Neil 305 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: early in his like this is before he's neo. I'm like, 306 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: pay this kid. I don't know he's getting ready be neo, 307 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: but I know this right here what he's doing and 308 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: special and we need to figure that out. And you 309 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: know it wasn't figured out. We didn't figure it out. 310 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: He didn't he didn't sign with us, I didn't get 311 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: the record. Next thing, you know, so Sick is out 312 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: and I told you. 313 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 5: No, next thing, you know, what's the Mario record? 314 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: You should yea and just went so disrespectful. I feel so. 315 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: It happens. 316 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: I saw one day. I was like this, I got 317 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: one one, Neil. I've known you for so long. One 318 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: please sure God damn. 319 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: Next day, when we see the nigga and you produce, we. 320 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: Jumping on eat you seed you to start it? You 321 00:15:54,560 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: just did you? Did you? Did you know that you 322 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: were you? You were in a space style wise that 323 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: was very unique when you were when you started creating 324 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: with me and all these guys, and you started hearing 325 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: the product, like once you started listening to the body 326 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: of work and listening to your voice and how you 327 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: how you? Uh? 328 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 5: I didn't think I could sing very well. You don't 329 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 5: have to remember I came from Southern Baptist church, you 330 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 5: know what I mean. The girls in there sound like. 331 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: Franklin. 332 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. 333 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 5: So I didn't think I could sing very well, and 334 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 5: it took a while for me to like it. It 335 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 5: took a while for me. I think once people started 336 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 5: liking I gave myself great. 337 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: I was about to say, what was the yeah, what 338 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: was that moment or in terms of, like, you know, 339 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: the validating moment in a sense to where you you 340 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: you you finally accept Yeah. I think it. 341 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 5: I think when people and this crazy thing is I 342 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 5: don't need people to validate. That's not my personality. But 343 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 5: I think at the time, I just it was new. 344 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: I was extremely new. 345 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 5: Like most people had a lot of things that they 346 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 5: did before they started. I was extremely new, so I 347 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 5: was kind of insecure in the sense of like, I 348 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 5: don't know what I'm doing. 349 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 4: I would always tell them I don't know what I'm doing. 350 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 5: But even in me not knowing I was doing, I 351 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 5: was gonna stand on what I like and what I 352 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 5: didn't like, you know. And I think that by the 353 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 5: time I started going out on the road. That's I 354 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 5: think for any artist, that's the validation when you realize 355 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 5: you got something because you start seeing the energy that 356 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 5: it brings out of people. And I think that's when 357 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 5: it happened. It took me getting on the road and 358 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 5: seeing people sing my songs. 359 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: Did you did you immediately have good reactions. 360 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 5: On the road, Well, immediately, there was no one there first. 361 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: You know. 362 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 5: It was the first tour I went on was a 363 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 5: Seagums Gen tour and it was myself, Tweet and Sel, 364 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 5: which is a really great show, but they weren't there 365 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 5: for me to like about somewhere around Houston and it 366 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 5: was like two people and they were rocking. This is 367 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 5: why now to this day, I still turn around and 368 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 5: play with my band like we jam out together, because 369 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 5: I start off with nobody there, so we get into 370 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 5: each other, two people. Then it started going and going 371 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 5: and going, and it eventually happened, but it started with 372 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 5: nobody and we were just rehearsing them and listen. 373 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: And it's a real thing because as a as a 374 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: new artist, you have to decide how you're going to 375 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: approach that moment if you really want. 376 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 5: This, because if you're doing it just to see them 377 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 5: do that and nobody's up there. Are you just gonna 378 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 5: be like up there just bullshitting you know, because nobody's 379 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 5: up there. 380 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 4: No, you're gonna go. 381 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 5: You're gonna still give that energy because you're enjoyed it 382 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 5: with your band at this point and from that day 383 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 5: till now. 384 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 4: I love when people out there enjoy it. 385 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 5: You know, it's a totally different thing now everybody's enjoying it, 386 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 5: but we're enjoying it. 387 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 4: There it is, we connected, we locked it. 388 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. I've had many a show where I can't tell 389 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: you what we call the shows trick, I'll tell you 390 00:18:52,119 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: all five uh many a show where fine, okay, let's 391 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: eat because I had never imagined that I would be there. 392 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: Like when I started singing backgrounds for Genuine, I thought 393 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: in the LEADU, I said, oh d I'm doing this 394 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: forever Genuine I was like, no, no, you gotta go 395 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: do your thing. I said, no, I don't. 396 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 4: This feels good. 397 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: I can see, yeah, this is great. I see backgrounds 398 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: with you. You take your shirt up, then I take 399 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: my shirt off, and then like this is this is great? 400 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: So why would I want to leave? You know what 401 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying I thought having fun carrying Genuine's bag, remember 402 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: the time of my life. And he's like, nah, bro, 403 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: it's gonna be you like you gotta do your thing. 404 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: And when they pulled me off the road with Genuine, 405 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: I almost cried as a grown man, you're taking mind 406 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: you you're killing me right now. 407 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: And because as you left, you go to a new 408 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 2: space where's no crowd. 409 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: It's no round because Genuine was introducing me. So when 410 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: I sang, there was motion. It's like that's Genes got girl. 411 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: To this day, he still sings background. 412 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: Don't matters going to start singing. I sing backs, give 413 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: me my park, my mixtop, playing with me. But when 414 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: I started singing those those two of those three, those 415 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: four people like again I come from that Baptist church. 416 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: You better sing. And sometimes when you're singing during devotion, 417 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: the people ain't came in the church yet. People are 418 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: still drinking, trickling in. But the spirit gotta be there 419 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: when they get when they when they the spirit better 420 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: be there. You ain't ushering in no spirit. They move you, 421 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: they move you along. You won't get devotion. No more 422 00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: emotion was a big deal. 423 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 4: The devotion there you go and. 424 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: So liked that experience of singing in front of those 425 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: ten those twenty people. Like that's what made me yeah, 426 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh no, i'ma I'm gonna I'm gonna 427 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: kill y'all so crazy, y'all gonna go get twenty more people, 428 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: promise you. And I remember the day when I walked 429 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: into a building and I said, I got to do tonight. 430 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: Sold out? Yeah? How many? How many people here? Like 431 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: eight and fifty? What? Oooh it's your you? What what? Yeah? 432 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god? And they were screaming. I was genuine, 433 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: And you know, it's like Jay said, it's like those 434 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: are the moments that make you make a real decision 435 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: about how much of this you really want. 436 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 5: But see, I think it's also according what you're doing 437 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 5: it for, right, I was really doing it for me. 438 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 5: I like this. 439 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: I love it, you know what I'm saying. 440 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 5: I like this, so I want y'all to like it. 441 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 5: But it's only a couple of y'all here. I'm gonna 442 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 5: give it all I got to you. But whoever comes 443 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 5: to my show just know I love you dearly. But 444 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 5: I'm up here enjoying myself, you know, And I pray 445 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 5: that that spills into you like the energy transfer, you know, 446 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 5: but I'm not paying enjoying myself. 447 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 4: I'm gona talk how I want to talk. 448 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 5: I'm act you are now in my living room, you 449 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 5: know what i mean, Even if I'm at somebody else's house. 450 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm opening up for somebody. We're still in 451 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 5: the room they gave me to stay in. 452 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 453 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 5: It's like, I'm gonna give myself and if you like it, 454 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 5: I'm glad you like it. But I'm not as much 455 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 5: trying to win you over as much as I'm just 456 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 5: giving myself to you. 457 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 4: And how you. 458 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 5: Take that, you take that, because I can only give 459 00:22:51,440 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 5: you me, not back. 460 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: To the validation things. But when you feel that connection 461 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: of your lyrics and the people. 462 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 5: And you're like, oh yeah, yeah, that's that's really feels good. 463 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 4: That feels really good. 464 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 5: Because I'm a very honest writer. I'm not poetic on purpose, 465 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 5: you know what i mean. I just write what I 466 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 5: feel at the time. And when I'm saying things like 467 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 5: everybody's worried about tomorrow when they see tomorrow, I'm just 468 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,239 Speaker 5: trying to get mine off today and everybody's looking at 469 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 5: me like yes, yes, singing these words like they came 470 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 5: from their own brain. That's a really awesome feeling, because 471 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 5: you don't feel crazy when people are like relating to 472 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 5: you like that. 473 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 3: You feel like we are a little crazy. 474 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 5: We are insane, we are delusional, and we are insane. 475 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 4: We are freaking insane. But I'm not by myself, you know. 476 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, yo, all these things I've 477 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 5: been fitling, Yeah, all these things I've been feeling. 478 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 4: They feel it too. 479 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 5: Men, women, gay, straight, you know, you name it. People 480 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 5: are relating and that have always related to my my lyrics. 481 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 5: I really appreciate that because I was a weird o 482 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 5: child that always felt like nobody else understood. 483 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: What was the first song that did that for you? 484 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 5: The first song that did that for me was in 485 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 5: Baltimore on the same the first tour I went on 486 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 5: the Seagums Gen tour. 487 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 4: Baltimore, sing every word for word. 488 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 5: They started with no more tears, just kind of like 489 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 5: some singing some of it. But of course by the 490 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 5: time you got to be your girl, they're just singing 491 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 5: it out, singing it out, you know, And I just dropped. 492 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 4: The fucking bike. I just dropped the mic and. 493 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 5: Just was standing there like I had to like get 494 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 5: myself together to start back singing with them because I 495 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 5: was blown away. 496 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 4: I was blown away. 497 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 5: I could not believe that those people, we had done 498 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 5: a whole tour, nobody, you know, people starting to get 499 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 5: into me knowing, you know, but now we're here in 500 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 5: Baltimore and they're going up for me. 501 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 4: It was crazy. 502 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 3: Did you have. 503 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: A hit record as a writer first? Did that record 504 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 2: come out first? Did Dipplo come out? Because I mean 505 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: for people, I mean, we know, but y'all, I don't know. 506 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 3: She wrote Christina? Did that come out before? 507 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 4: I'm trying to think. 508 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 5: I think that we were almost simultaneous, simultaneous. I think 509 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 5: I think it was around the same time. Yeah, I 510 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 5: think maybe my album came. 511 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 3: Out about it dropped out. 512 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 5: Let me just tell you I was I was, Oh 513 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 5: she was first. Yeah, I think I think Diplo was first. 514 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 5: But either way, I'll never forget. I used to sing 515 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 5: it like it's mine. 516 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: Oh you put in your show too, And no. 517 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 4: They didn't do it back then. Back then, nobody did that. 518 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 5: Back then, you weren't really singing the songs you wrote 519 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 5: for other people. 520 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: Tank, it. 521 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 4: Wasn't happening but. 522 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 2: Used to do that with Babyface because about such a thing. 523 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: And I'm saying I wish I would have been doing 524 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: that back then. Y'all heard that, y'all heard this. 525 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 5: That's all me every radio station because you know I 526 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 5: was underground. So I want you to know, like what 527 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 5: I do works when it has some support, you know 528 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 5: what I mean? 529 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: Wow, do you I've had this moment before? And I 530 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: want to know if you've had this moment as a 531 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: as a singer and a songwriter where you write this song, 532 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: whatever song this is for you. You write this song 533 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: and you tell this story, you tell this truth, and 534 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: you get it off and you send it out into 535 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: the universe and one day you're singing this song where 536 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: they're singing this song back to you and you finally 537 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: you realize what this song means. 538 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 5: Yes, for sure, what song is that? I think that 539 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 5: would probably be No More Tears, That's it. And I'm 540 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 5: really stuck in my first album right now because I've 541 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 5: been touring this thing right now and that's like really 542 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 5: where my head is, and I think that's the one, 543 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 5: that's the one, And this is when those experiences happen 544 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 5: in the very beginning, you know, like, like I said, 545 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 5: I was just speaking honestly when I was writing these records, 546 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 5: and I'm seeing. 547 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 4: This chick crying, singing no. 548 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 5: More tears, which is kind of an oxymoron, but she's crying. 549 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 5: She's like so intensely crying, like these were her last tears. 550 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 5: She was gonna cry. And I was like, Oh, that's 551 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 5: what I was on. That's what I was on, Like 552 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 5: I'm really not about to be around here sad. 553 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: No. 554 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 5: I'm gonna get all this out and I'm not gonna 555 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 5: be sad no more. And I think that's the first 556 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 5: time I really saw the reflection, like the mirror of 557 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 5: what I really was on when what's writing that record? 558 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was singing maybe I deserve one 559 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: day mmm, and I didn't. I got lost, like to 560 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: the point to where the song and I started tearing up. 561 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I'm getting ready to break. 562 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, And they're singing there, singing 563 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: it back, and I'm realizing what this song is sang 564 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: from a perspective that I hadn't really looked at before. 565 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: I just I don't know why I had that experience, 566 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: but I was just like, this song means something so different, 567 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: and it's those people in the audiences. Is the dude 568 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: singing it to his girl maybe yeah, and it's the 569 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: girl like you? And I'm like, I'm watching it, you know, 570 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: as it sounds destructive, I'm watching it repair. Huh. You 571 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying. Because having a moment, they're finally 572 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: they're finally having a real moment of accountability. And through 573 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 1: that accountability or through that truth, people can make better decisions. 574 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: Like I feel like women, as long as they know 575 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: the truth, they can navigate anyone. 576 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 5: If you give them the truth, then they got all 577 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 5: the pieces to really work with. 578 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: A woman can navigate. Okay, cool, So that's okay, cool. 579 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,239 Speaker 1: Just let me be able to walk in there with 580 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 1: my head up. 581 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm not walking in after you tell me 582 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 4: I'm going in another direction. 583 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 5: But you gave me information for me to be able 584 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 5: to make that decision. 585 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 4: That's I'm appreciative and I love you forever. 586 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 7: Goodbye. Let me have the car. 587 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: Oh no, you got first. I'm teaching. I am right. 588 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: Oh look, yeah, I'm teaching mostly I don't I don't 589 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: even know what the fuess you got going on? Oh yeah, 590 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: the truth to set me free. I'm out, you. 591 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 3: Know what I'm I'm tired of you already. 592 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: I was gone somewhere. Where do you feel? How did 593 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: you feel from a success standpoint with your first album? 594 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: How did you feel? 595 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 5: I didn't feel any success. I'm under I'm an underground artist. 596 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 5: I'm slowly, twenty years later, people starting to know me more, 597 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I came from doing wardrobe 598 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 5: for big labels, big budgets, all these things. I went 599 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 5: to a record label called TVT, which was Indy, and 600 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 5: we were thugging it, you know. And also, let's be clear, 601 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 5: the Indy is so celebrated now. It's oh my god, 602 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 5: that Indian. You know, it's India's Indie, Indian doing this Indy. 603 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 5: We were not celebrated, right. 604 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 3: I'm from the Bay Area, so you know, everything independent. 605 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's different. 606 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: But I'm saying our mindset is already where you are 607 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 2: with it. But like you said, it's so celebrated now. 608 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 2: But we were independent because you didn't have any like from. 609 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 5: The Bay and it was no industry in Oakland, yeah, 610 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 5: you know, and you would have to come to La 611 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 5: to become Everybody had to go to these big cities 612 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 5: to come. 613 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 4: It was not like it is now. We all know that. 614 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 5: But so when you're indy and you're not, these platforms 615 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 5: aren't really. 616 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 4: Checking for you. 617 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 5: These I remember, I'm not going to say his name, 618 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 5: that's my baby. But were real cute, cool, and he 619 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 5: was like, you know, she's too skinny to put up. 620 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 5: You know the smooth magazine used to have with the 621 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 5: girls and stuff like that, She's too skinny. Every time 622 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 5: I see my swing my ass in front of like, 623 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 5: I'm too skinny. 624 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 4: Huh, I'm too skinny. You said, I'm too skinny her. 625 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 4: We have a laugh. 626 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 5: But these are the things. 627 00:31:59,280 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: You got that big. 628 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 4: So it wasn't easy. 629 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 5: So when you talk about success, it's like. 630 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't pay attention. I just didn't really think. 631 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: About you at least. 632 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 4: I mean I was getting money as a writer. 633 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: Did you feel like I wasn't. 634 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,239 Speaker 4: Even thinking about it? If I was seeing or not, 635 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 4: I was Can. 636 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 5: I keep it g with you? I was working hard 637 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 5: to take care of my kids. I couldn't worry about 638 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 5: all of that. I just had to get what I 639 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 5: was getting and be grateful for it and keep I 640 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 5: have twin sons, twin sons. 641 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 3: Oh really, Oh my god, Oh fabulous. So they're part 642 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 3: of it. 643 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 5: Before you go on, I have to tell everybody, very 644 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 5: amazing part of a group called Coast Contra that's really 645 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 5: really dope doing very true hip hop music. 646 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 4: And yeah, that's my babies. 647 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 3: So Chefferless is oh okay, okay, and. 648 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: That's been my homie before she had a restaurant. Okay, 649 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: so when she opened a restaurant, you know, I'm going 650 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: through there and I just keep saying these these these 651 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: these young fellas, and I'm like, at first, yeah, I'm 652 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 2: hold on. 653 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 3: And I have twin brothers. 654 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: I have brothers that are twins, so but my brothers 655 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: are fraternal twins. But it's always you know, it's a 656 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: thing when you see twins, especially when you see identical twins. 657 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 3: Right, And they was. 658 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: Just the nicest guys. Literally, you did an amazing job. 659 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 4: Thank you very much. 660 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: The nice when I say the nicest dudes, bro, just 661 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, cause you go to restaurants and it be 662 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: bush it sometimes and even when it because I used 663 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: to go a lot too, so you know, I would 664 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 2: see them all the time. And they never said anything 665 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: about music, right, And obviously I'm a music guy and 666 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: chef knows that and the whole thing. So one day 667 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: she was like, you know who their parents are, right, 668 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: And I was like, we've never they've never said anything. 669 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: And she's like, y'all come here, you know, she. 670 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 4: Do her thing, my sanitary sister. 671 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: And they came and they and they were like, yeah, 672 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: you know, but our dad is is uh Is Razskaz 673 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: and our mom is teacher Moses. 674 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, as the R and B guy, and 675 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 8: they were like, yeah, you know, we're trying to put 676 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 8: together our music and we're doing this, that and the other. 677 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: And I just watched the progression and of them just 678 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 2: killing everything when they do their freestyles. And those guys 679 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 2: are so talented in the group as a whole. Yes, 680 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: it's super super talented. And listen, the generations is going 681 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 2: for you because that that is that's. 682 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 3: Special what they do. 683 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that. You know, when they first started, 684 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 5: I didn't know that they wrap. I knew nothing about it. 685 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 5: And a friend of theirs was coming up. We lived 686 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 5: in Miami at the time, and a friend was coming 687 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 5: over and he would come by and he be like, 688 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 5: it's most as you have to hit him rap And 689 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 5: they'd be like, no, no, mom, we don't rap. 690 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 4: We don't. 691 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 5: And I don't know why they thought I didn't want 692 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 5: them to do this. I don't know why they thought that. 693 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 5: But when they I finally did, they finally get get 694 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 5: around to saying it. Just listen, just be good, just 695 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 5: be good at it. And that's what they told me. 696 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 5: We didn't want to tell you before we thought we 697 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 5: were good enough because we knew you would tell us 698 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 5: that we were horrible if. 699 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 3: We were, and I would, Yeah, yeah, you have to. 700 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 5: I expect excellence from my children. I told them ever 701 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 5: since they were younger, you're great, and it said they 702 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 5: had to figure out what they were great at, because 703 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 5: I'm like, you gotta you're great. 704 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 4: It's in you. 705 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 5: You just got to figure out what it is. Yeah, 706 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 5: and they figured out this was what it was. But 707 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 5: I was not gonna be I see these people that 708 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 5: do music and do it. 709 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 4: Really well, and then they have. 710 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 3: Kids, what are you doing, friggy business? 711 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 5: Sit them down and have to talk. I didn't do 712 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 5: all of this for you to take us all the 713 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 5: way back there. Don't make me look crazy, and my 714 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 5: kids don't, thank god, thank god. 715 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: Put in too much work. 716 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, now cents. 717 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: Yes, my two cents been my two cents in a minute. 718 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 3: And it's funny because they were probably didn't. 719 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 5: But you know, that's how it was as a wardrobe stylist. 720 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 4: No one knew I was saying. Do you know when 721 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 4: my music. 722 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 5: Came out, everybody, producers, people that would be around. I 723 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 5: would be in so many spaces, and I was very quiet, 724 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 5: probably didn't smoked out, and just in the corner, high 725 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 5: as hell, you know what I mean. And I never 726 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 5: talked to anyone. But by the time it started going, 727 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 5: people just came up to me frustrated and disgusted with me, 728 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 5: like you did this all this time, and you told 729 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 5: no one I was there doing this. I was just 730 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 5: there doing this. I'm doing what I came here to do. 731 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 5: If anybody asked, I would have told them. 732 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: It's just I mean, because you know, from adding adding 733 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: mom to it, like, people don't understand how difficult that 734 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: in itself is, because you know, men and women are 735 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: completely we operate completely different in that space. Man men detached. 736 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: As soon as they leave a house man out may 737 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: throw a phone call the two D, but he out 738 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: in the field, he working. I gotta do what I 739 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: gotta do. A woman is calling back to the house 740 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: pulling out of the driveway. Yeah, and to be able 741 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: to to mentally make sure this is in the space 742 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: it needs to be, but also be of service to 743 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 1: the people who are coming to see you, people who 744 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: want to interview you, people who are spending money on you. 745 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: Any but like, great. 746 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 4: Job, thank you, And to do it as a single parent. 747 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 4: Let's make that clear. 748 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: Great job, thank you. 749 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 3: How old were they when you first went out on 750 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 3: the road. 751 00:37:54,920 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 6: And like seven something like that, but they were good, 752 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 6: Like we would have these conversations about how like listen, 753 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,399 Speaker 6: weird team. 754 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 5: Okay, don't be the weakest link because if you mess up, 755 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 5: that messes up for me. If I messes up, that 756 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 5: message up for you. We have to all be strong 757 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 5: in It's like I raised them to understand we're doing 758 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 5: this together. It was very much so what you see 759 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 5: is what you get. Ain't nobody, no fairies dropping off, 760 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 5: no money here. You know, I'm out here hustings. How 761 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 5: I get it out the damn clad. 762 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 3: I was conversation with my daughter. 763 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 5: Yes, I kept a gem from like five years old. 764 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 4: They knew. 765 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 5: So these conversations made, you know, made it different and 766 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 5: I remember once we were on the road, my son 767 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 5: started going to roll with me. After they got older 768 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 5: and started doing music, I would take them to the 769 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 5: UK and stuff like that. 770 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 4: They were performed before. 771 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 5: Me and the band asked them when your mother was gone. 772 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,439 Speaker 5: We knew y'all would have parties. You know, y'all would 773 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 5: have parties at the house. And they were like no, 774 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 5: and they're like, nah, y'all had parties. No, they were 775 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 5: why didn't you have parties? Because we didn't want to 776 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 5: make it any harder for her. 777 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 4: That's real teammates, Jim saying what I'm saying. 778 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 3: You about to cry. 779 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 4: It's getting really motion. 780 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 5: That's man, that's real teammates, right and til this Sunen, 781 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 5: that's my I mean to this day, my sons are 782 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 5: my best friends, best best friends. We did it together, 783 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 5: like and that's why you know, even now with their stuff, 784 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 5: they'll call me and I'll tell them my opinion out 785 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 5: in myself. You know. 786 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 4: We just teammates teams. 787 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: That is so cool. 788 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is you. 789 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: I want to do that, Tomates. Don't make it hard over. 790 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: I'm quite and I'm like, turn that thing up. 791 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 5: No, listen, I'm into the parties too. But don't do 792 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 5: anything that I'm going to have to rush home. 793 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely because I'm gonna kill you. 794 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's really why you're not doing because you 795 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 5: know you're gonna die. 796 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: What could happen? I'm all about that everything you said. 797 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: I love it. My wife is more like that. I 798 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: was like, I mean, the whole wall ain't burnt. 799 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 5: It's just has to be balanced though two of you guys, 800 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 5: it's just did you die? 801 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: But you know what, my trauma is different because I 802 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: was like everything for me coming out of that Baptist house, 803 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: in that church and that grandmother, great grandmother, great grandfather, 804 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: mom and dad, everybody being there like Auntie Betty and 805 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: own nit because I said, so, yeah, you know what 806 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying, and so. 807 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 4: I get to and I never said it. I would always. 808 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: Explain yeah and I and you know, like I grew up, 809 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: asked my father Jack, can I go outside? And having 810 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: to sit there, well, he smoked his cigarette. 811 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 3: Still that's are you still waiting to answer right now? 812 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: Still waiting to go outside? Wide? 813 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 3: That's why you like outside. 814 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: I would have to literally wait at the door sill 815 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: for like ten to fifteen minutes and then just walk 816 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: away and then later on he come walking out. You 817 00:41:52,880 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: all your friends go out by yourself. All I have 818 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 1: to say was that trauma that kind of forced me 819 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,959 Speaker 1: in a hard way in the other direction to number one, 820 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: not my kids to be able to I think we're 821 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 1: kind of teammates because I let them communicate. 822 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 4: That's important. 823 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: I let them say it how they feel it, and 824 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: then we can we can make the corrections, we can 825 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,240 Speaker 1: make the alterations on how that should be communicated and 826 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: and get into the wise of the feelings that they're having. 827 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: Because I know I felt some things as a kid 828 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: growing up. You know what I'm saying that I would 829 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: love to have shared with my parents, but I didn't 830 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: totally know how to articulate it. These new kids, sheesh, 831 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: they're talking and articulating my nine year old his daughter. 832 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 5: It's also because they feel safer to do it. When 833 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 5: you come from the era of like, yeah, do what 834 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 5: I say, shut up and do us, it's a safer 835 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 5: space to be. 836 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 1: I love that teammates. Shout out to my teammates, you 837 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, get them rapping or something. Get 838 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: you were Grammy nominated songwriter. 839 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't even remember what song that's crazy, right, 840 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 5: because I'm trying to think because it happened a couple 841 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 5: of times. She does know to me, and what song 842 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 5: was Grammy nominated? 843 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: You said that because it happened a couple of times. 844 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 5: I remember about below them damn checks. So I was 845 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 5: like homeless, me and my kids didn't have anywhere to stay. 846 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 5: We were like kind of just going from political posts. 847 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 5: I just went out on that tour something about and 848 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 5: I didn't have no money, and we were going to 849 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,720 Speaker 5: do this and I wasn't going to sell my publishing. 850 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 5: That wasn't my thing. So we're going to do this, 851 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 5: admitted administration two point fifty. It was gonna give me 852 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 5: to do twelve percent, okay, And they told me they 853 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 5: give it back to you and you go somewhere else. 854 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 4: Okay. Cool. 855 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 5: So I still own it, and my lawyer it was 856 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 5: like December, you know, everything closes down, and she's like, 857 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 5: but there's some jargon in the in the contract that's 858 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 5: just not right. And I'm gonna get back to it 859 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 5: in the new year, what cause I'm homeless. 860 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,279 Speaker 3: I need to way, I'm gonna get back to it. 861 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 4: We'll get back around to the new year. 862 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: But God talk about. 863 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 5: It must have been like my kids, somewhere around like 864 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 5: the second or the fourth. My son's birthday is on 865 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 5: January fourth. I got a check for like three hundred 866 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 5: and something thousand dollars home more more my see what 867 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 5: I'm saying. Wow, that's what I remember about dipping it 868 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 5: pick it up slowly. Yeah, it was like, you know, 869 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 5: that's when I that's to what I remember. That is 870 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 5: the moment that I said, oh, you will never own me. 871 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,959 Speaker 5: I'm gonna own all of me every time. If I fail, 872 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 5: I'm anna fail owning me. If I win, I'm gonna 873 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 5: win owing me. Because that changed everything, I just do 874 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 5: want to say thank. 875 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 4: You to the people that have held me down for 876 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 4: all these years. 877 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 5: Like I said, I've been underground, but it's been consistently 878 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 5: growing the entire time, and I'm grateful for that. 879 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 4: And yeah, just thank you. I'm grateful. What's your playing 880 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 4: over there? 881 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: Brother? 882 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 5: I got songs? Why does that sound like sometimes it 883 00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 5: snows in April a little bit? 884 00:45:59,280 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 4: The beginning of it. 885 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. 886 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,360 Speaker 5: Press press no time, the neighborhood. 887 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 3: On the way though he had a principle. 888 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 2: I love Prince, you know, I'm talking about like in 889 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,840 Speaker 2: real life, like you knew Prince you. 890 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 4: I didn't know him, but I met him. 891 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 892 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 5: I feel like Prince met you too many times. 893 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, teacher, the people are concerned about some information that 894 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: they need from you. All the singing and all the 895 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,399 Speaker 1: touring and all the shows you've done, there's been some 896 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: musical influences they would like, they would like to know 897 00:46:50,320 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: who inspired we do all of this. And it's segment 898 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: cold far You're top fa. 899 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,760 Speaker 3: Mm hmm t far. 900 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 9: Your top pat I beasings, come on all and me songs. 901 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: We've got to move then though, you call there all 902 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 1: you you more you you Yes, right, you're. 903 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 3: Tap f. 904 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 905 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 5: Okay, So you want to know my top five R 906 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,800 Speaker 5: and B singers singers, I would start with Anita Baker. 907 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 5: Anita Baker because I think she gave birth to a 908 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 5: whole generation of singers. I think that uh, Donnie Hathaway 909 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 5: has one of the greatest tones I've ever heard in 910 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 5: my life. Jasmine Sullivan is the greatest singer of her generation. Uh, 911 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 5: let's see singers. 912 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 913 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 5: Let me see who else tank mm hm. I'm not 914 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 5: just saying that because you're here, not for real. I've 915 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 5: heard you sing live. Yeah, I'm not playing with you, bro, 916 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:19,960 Speaker 5: I've heard you sing live. Really, I've heard you sing live, 917 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 5: and I've heard you pull it out of your spirit 918 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 5: on them at the moment. I'm always amazed by that. 919 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 5: I can't do that like that. I gotta go with 920 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 5: her civilian figure it out. Would my last person be? 921 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:40,759 Speaker 5: And I mean this as a singer because I think 922 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 5: just because you can do all the acrobats doesn't mean anything. 923 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,879 Speaker 4: Can you sing the song? Can you just sing the song? 924 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: I feel man, you're talking about feeling something. 925 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,879 Speaker 5: And if you've seen her live, you know it goes 926 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 5: just like the record. 927 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 3: You know, I never seen that. 928 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,239 Speaker 1: I said it. I need to see. It's just different. Yes, 929 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:05,800 Speaker 1: it's different. 930 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 2: I'm gonna find out if I can go find her 931 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 2: in one of them castles that she lives in the castle. 932 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,400 Speaker 2: I don't know that, but I think I know that. 933 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: Castle for sure. I want to hear it saying. 934 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like her on stage is everything her music is, 935 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,880 Speaker 5: you know it is it is. 936 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 4: It's so good. She is probably one of my really 937 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 4: top artist period. 938 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: Of all time. I would I love that she don't 939 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 1: have to move, she. 940 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,960 Speaker 5: Just and there's no other of her. 941 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 4: No, there's no more. I don't think that ever be okay. 942 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 1: Top five R and B songs. 943 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 4: Adore You by Prince Greatest Sex R Kelly. 944 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 5: What a song you can close your eyes and see everything? 945 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 4: He sang. 946 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: I was so angry I heard that song. 947 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:06,879 Speaker 4: How did you get to anger? 948 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: Because in my mind I was always competing against him, 949 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,360 Speaker 1: even though I wasn't at that space yet, and I 950 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 1: was like, he's still so much better. 951 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 4: Let's see what else do I have? Stronger in pride? 952 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite songs. 953 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: Is it? 954 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 4: Beauty? 955 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: True? 956 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 4: Hill? 957 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,319 Speaker 1: Real? You mean absolutely? That song angered me too. 958 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 4: That was a good one though. 959 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 1: Signed. That's when I was signing the Cliff and Jerry 960 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,839 Speaker 1: and it just got off tour with him and they 961 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: dropped that song, and I think it was Jerry, look me, 962 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 1: you ain't make sure like this. I can. That's how 963 00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:01,560 Speaker 1: you motivated. Ain't making sure like that? Get your ship together? 964 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 5: Beautiful songs. To this day, I listen to it and 965 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,720 Speaker 5: it just makes me feel so good as a woman, 966 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 5: Like you know, I I love that there are male 967 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,400 Speaker 5: artists out here singing for women, but that's like one 968 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,399 Speaker 5: of those key songs. It's like, if you as a woman, 969 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 5: if you just want to feel good, you put that 970 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 5: record on. I don't know, I think that might have 971 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 5: been three or four. Crush Jeanne hmmm, yeah, I love them. 972 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 5: By the way, I was a third member of that group. 973 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,800 Speaker 5: We all have a group that we were shout out to, 974 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 5: the Baylor Project because jean from Jean Nay is with 975 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,799 Speaker 5: her husband. They're still getting nominated for Grammys and yeah, 976 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 5: doing their thing. And then my last one, I think 977 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 5: we're at five now, would be Marvin Gaye's when Did 978 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 5: You Stop Loving Me? Because you know what, no structure, 979 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,840 Speaker 5: just a really good song until you don't get to 980 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 5: the hook of it all until the end. 981 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000 Speaker 4: He just see he just tells his whole story. 982 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 5: Like visit you here, my dear, my dear, and that 983 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 5: that's the one, that's the one. And I was in 984 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 5: heavy heartbreak when I listened to that. He was just 985 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 5: like talking about her calling the cops on. It was 986 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,839 Speaker 5: just he ran the whole thing down. It's really really good. Yeah, 987 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:18,960 Speaker 5: so that would be my top five. 988 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:19,719 Speaker 1: Dear. 989 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:27,440 Speaker 9: Wow, I ain't saying no next, I ain't saying no names. 990 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,440 Speaker 9: I ain't saying no names. Saying no names. 991 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:31,120 Speaker 2: You was. 992 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:39,160 Speaker 1: What you did, don't say? She said. 993 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 3: So we had a very very important part of the show. 994 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: Pivotal, very very pivotal. 995 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,960 Speaker 2: He would say, segment of the show called I ain't 996 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,320 Speaker 2: saying no name? Okay, will you tell us a story? 997 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:00,719 Speaker 1: They or fucked up? 998 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,799 Speaker 3: Are funny and fucked up? 999 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 4: Okay. 1000 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,359 Speaker 3: The only rude to the game is you can't say 1001 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:06,799 Speaker 3: no name. 1002 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,359 Speaker 4: Okay. I got a few of those. 1003 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,600 Speaker 5: So when I first started out, was going on tour, 1004 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,080 Speaker 5: and I told you I had never really done a show. 1005 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,840 Speaker 5: So going on tour, and let's be clear, my sisters, 1006 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 5: my management, we've been like this for the whole time. 1007 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 5: We both with New Booty. We knew nothing going on. 1008 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:36,719 Speaker 5: So the label gives us money to put together a 1009 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,320 Speaker 5: band and everything. There were certain people that were pretty 1010 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,680 Speaker 5: you know, well known for doing it at the time, 1011 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,000 Speaker 5: putting together bands, mds, you know all this stuff. 1012 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:47,400 Speaker 4: There's this guy. 1013 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,280 Speaker 5: That we gave the money too to put it all together. 1014 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,439 Speaker 5: I ain't gonna say his name, but this nigga took 1015 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:04,040 Speaker 5: my money and just left it, just took the money. 1016 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,480 Speaker 5: We had rehearsal. He just did not show up. One 1017 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 5: person in the band that he put together came. I'll 1018 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,840 Speaker 5: say his name, mister Wild Jones, who's an amazing arranger, 1019 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,640 Speaker 5: producer and MD. 1020 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 4: He came and he. 1021 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,239 Speaker 5: He kind of like helped me put a real but 1022 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 5: I had to go get some more money, yeah, because 1023 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 5: they took the money. 1024 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:28,879 Speaker 1: Right. 1025 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,720 Speaker 5: So then he goes and gets people. It's my first 1026 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,719 Speaker 5: time going out on the road. He goes and get people, 1027 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,880 Speaker 5: pull together a really great band. But the day, but 1028 00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 5: maybe two days before it was time to go out 1029 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,840 Speaker 5: on the road, the guy that we didn't rehearse with 1030 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,600 Speaker 5: all this time. And keep in mind, I don't know 1031 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 5: how to just pull thing together things together like I 1032 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,680 Speaker 5: can now, you know, I'm. 1033 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,440 Speaker 4: Just new booty, right. 1034 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,600 Speaker 5: And so the guy goes to jail, one of the 1035 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 5: guys the band. Yeah, he goes to jo but we 1036 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,400 Speaker 5: gotta leave tomorrow or the next year or something like that. 1037 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,239 Speaker 5: I can't really find somebody else to replace him. So 1038 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,879 Speaker 5: I go bail him out because that's what I thought 1039 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 5: I would have I was supposed to do. Now I 1040 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,399 Speaker 5: wouldn't do that, but back then, that's what I thought 1041 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,600 Speaker 5: I was supposed to do. So cool, So I got 1042 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,839 Speaker 5: him out. Now we go and we do the first 1043 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,920 Speaker 5: show we're doing a song produced by Rafael Sadik in 1044 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,680 Speaker 5: which he is playing bass. What kind of bass does 1045 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 5: Rafael play, you guys, regular bass? He doesn't play key bass. 1046 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:37,399 Speaker 1: It's time. 1047 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,839 Speaker 4: There's like this boo bas thing. I turn around. 1048 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,680 Speaker 5: It's my first time, maybe my fourth time ever being 1049 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,200 Speaker 5: on stage, first show of the tour. I'm in front 1050 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,480 Speaker 5: of these killers, right. I turn around and this nigga 1051 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 5: is then forgot his bass and he's only playing key base. 1052 00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 5: I want to throw the whole experience away. 1053 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,759 Speaker 4: I have my money. So he got fired never and 1054 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 4: he's my friend. He knows who he is. He's my friend, 1055 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:08,359 Speaker 4: still my friend to this day. 1056 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,239 Speaker 5: But this was my This was the beginning of me 1057 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,719 Speaker 5: having experience of like going out here on the road 1058 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:20,760 Speaker 5: and having to deal with band members and and music directors. 1059 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,920 Speaker 5: And I was green and I was a mark and 1060 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,600 Speaker 5: they got me and y'all know who you are. And 1061 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 5: when one of them, one that took my money, see 1062 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 5: me act like. 1063 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,200 Speaker 3: Oh, you never got that money back, never got the 1064 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:34,800 Speaker 3: money back. 1065 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:36,280 Speaker 7: Yes. 1066 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,760 Speaker 5: I saw him at the homing house one time, because. 1067 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 4: He'd be with them. 1068 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 5: So I see him at the house and he goes, 1069 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 5: he goes like he's talking to me like everything normal, 1070 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,440 Speaker 5: and I'm like, okay, cool. As soon as they let 1071 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,640 Speaker 5: you know that nigga stole my money, right, like that 1072 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,960 Speaker 5: nigga stole my money, and like it's like, do you 1073 00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 5: did you do this so much that you forgot everybody 1074 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:08,120 Speaker 5: you stole? Probably I want my money back, Yeah, I 1075 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 5: want all of it with interest. 1076 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 4: Yes, stole my mom. I mean, it was just ridiculous. 1077 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,479 Speaker 5: My start out was just like this is pure hell. 1078 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,400 Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta know you want it, because I 1079 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:20,480 Speaker 4: was like, this ain't fun. 1080 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,080 Speaker 3: It's not cool, it's not funny. Mean over here, over here, 1081 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,840 Speaker 3: it's not fun, and people are mean. 1082 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:27,840 Speaker 4: People are mean. 1083 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,480 Speaker 5: But you know what great experiences that taught you. You know, 1084 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 5: how to be a shark with the sharks, you know. 1085 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:36,520 Speaker 4: They got me. 1086 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,080 Speaker 1: Well. First of all, thank you, thank you for coming. 1087 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,320 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having this was so much fun. 1088 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:44,800 Speaker 4: You are not. 1089 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,240 Speaker 3: Like so I ain't coming on there. 1090 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 5: You are. 1091 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:57,840 Speaker 4: I feel like you' the crazy one. You to calm. 1092 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,760 Speaker 1: It's perfect and we switch sometimes, yeah, but it ain't 1093 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:04,880 Speaker 1: good if we switch. 1094 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,240 Speaker 3: If he crazy, craziest, fun my craziest, My crazy. 1095 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:10,680 Speaker 4: Is dangerous, somebody might get killed. 1096 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not trying to nobody. 1097 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 3: That's why I try to say okay, good good, good good. 1098 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:24,240 Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, it's about if we're both crazy. 1099 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:32,760 Speaker 1: Oh man, God bless a child. But you I love 1100 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 1: everything about you. Like I said in the beginning, you're 1101 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,280 Speaker 1: you're super dope. Your energy is is very much needed, 1102 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,840 Speaker 1: almost required in a sense, you know what I mean. 1103 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,680 Speaker 1: Those stories and those things that you've been through, and 1104 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,800 Speaker 1: in the amount of time that you've put into this 1105 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: and and the way you're still standing in it, like 1106 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,120 Speaker 1: people need to hear that. People need to see that 1107 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,880 Speaker 1: period and that's going that that's going to continue to 1108 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,520 Speaker 1: inspire generation. 1109 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 3: So we're happy that we can help people see it. 1110 01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 5: Yes, thank you, thank you, and thank you all for 1111 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:06,760 Speaker 5: what y'all doing. 1112 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:13,680 Speaker 1: We appreciate you anytime, the safe We're here for you. 1113 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Whatever you need. You're going to nowhere, new music, yes, 1114 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:18,960 Speaker 1: new album. 1115 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,160 Speaker 3: Yes, all that. 1116 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 4: I'm gonna come school on between. 1117 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:30,120 Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, maybe saying a little bit. 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