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Speaker 1: On Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two, we find

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Speaker 1: a dependent Scottie Peterson guilty of the crime of murder

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Speaker 1: of Lazy d Days Peterson. The case of State versus

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson to me, feels like it just happened yesterday.

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Speaker 1: She just vanished and it turned into a media storm

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Speaker 1: within days. Please please please let her go, bring her back.

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Speaker 1: Guess what, Scotty, san Quen's your new home. There was

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Speaker 1: no biological evidence, with no frumenic evidence whatsoever that pointed

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Speaker 1: to the guilt of Scott Peterson. There's at least eleven

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Speaker 1: witnesses that saw Lacy that day. This is all all

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Speaker 1: Scott's at the fasana's computer, so he's innocent. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: last one, did you, lady? That day? There are so

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Speaker 1: many witness are walking in the neighborhood after I left,

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Speaker 1: the cops. Just Canner followed up on deeper earlier across

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Speaker 1: the street. If you take one look at her photo,

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Speaker 1: one look into those brown eyes, you'll never forget them.

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Speaker 1: I never ever have forgotten Lacy Peterson. I remember when

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Speaker 1: she first went missing, when this was a missing person's case.

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Speaker 1: I knew you in my gut. It was not a

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Speaker 1: missing person's case. I knew she was dead. I don't

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Speaker 1: all this time, her husband, Scott Peterson, sitting on the

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Speaker 1: California death Row, says he's innocent and gives us reasons

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Speaker 1: why I Nancy Grace, this is our stories. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. Well. I nearly passed out when

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Speaker 1: I heard Scott Peterson had reared his ugly head yet

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Speaker 1: again and was dredging up his wife's murder because I

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Speaker 1: remember when Sharon Roacha, Lacey's mom, took the stand. I

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Speaker 1: she described how Lacy was buried. Lacy was bow She's

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Speaker 1: She's buried that way right now. That is what I remember.

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Speaker 1: And now Scott Peterson is dragging everybody back through the mud.

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Speaker 1: With me from daily mail dot Com Sewn Walsh. Also

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Speaker 1: with me, renowned psychologist Dr Bethany Marshall joining us from

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Speaker 1: l A first to you, Sean, I was stunned last

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Speaker 1: him explaining why he didn't do it. What's your takeaway?

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Speaker 1: I think he's trying to create reasonable doubt. All these

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Speaker 1: now here's Scott Peterson saying I didn't do it. Well,

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Speaker 1: Now listen, this case has already gone up on some appeals,

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Speaker 1: the sociopath. They do not see but beyond themselves. They're egocentric,

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Speaker 1: They're involved in their own lives. He's had all this

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Speaker 1: days after Lacey went missing, he added two pornography channels

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Speaker 1: that talks about this incredible sort of narcissism. Dr Bethany,

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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, Dr Bethany, I get you know. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: Not only that, Dr Bethany and Sean Waltz from Daily

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Speaker 1: she was, she had just been gone. As Dr Bethany

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Speaker 1: I better be dead or there's gonna be a homicide.

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Speaker 1: Now you know he knew she was dead. Porn channel,

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Speaker 1: What is it with men? Why do they have to

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Speaker 1: What are you laughing at, Richard? You just swivel around

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Speaker 1: He clearly wasn't. The two porn channels, the realtor that,

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Speaker 1: Listen to this Scott Peterson from death Row. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: I know him very well. That was Scott Peterson's defense

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. There's another facet to it. Dr

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. I've been thinking about, you know, Scott Peterson.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people thought, not me, of course, you

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Speaker 1: What let's see, um looks great in a suit, walks

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Speaker 1: his mom worshiped him. Here's the deal. It's easy, Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 1: on anything you have to say. If all this were true,

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Speaker 1: in front of a jury. Why is that? Bethany? Well,

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Speaker 1: insight into this or not, he revisits it again and

426
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: again as he relives what went on. This is just

427
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: part one. I want to understand to be a multi

428
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: part series with A and E. And they have managed

429
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: to get these Gailhouse interviews that he has granted has

430
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: given to his sister. I just wonder what effect it's

431
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: going to have on an appeals court. Just remember this.

432
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: If one judge gets sucked into this, it could be over.

433
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson's case could take a u turn. True Love,

434
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: Oh how we all wanted? Why is that it's like

435
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: a drug? I don't want to get Dr Bethany Marshall

436
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: started on true love being some kind of an indo

437
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: more for something like that. I know where she's going

438
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: hold that thought. Dr Bethany Marshall first to Sean Wash

439
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: dl e Meil dot com. I want to talk to

440
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: you about the Casanovacan man scams women on dating apps,

441
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: collects over one million dollars. Why am I working? Why

442
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: am I working my fingers to the band? Why am

443
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: I trying to write books and do this and blah

444
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: blah blah When I could just go online and con

445
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: people out of all their money one million dollars? Why

446
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: can't you just give a job? Sewan Walsh? What happened?

447
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, this is extraordinary. Um, We've got a man

448
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: here who, from twenties sixteen truly proved that love is blind.

449
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: He told women that he met on Match, Plenty of

450
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: Fish and Tinder that he was a licensed stockbroker, and

451
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: he convinced them to invest thousands of dollars in fraudulent schemes.

452
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: And because these women had all fallen desperately in love

453
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: with him, they got out there, checked books and wrote

454
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: him checks, and he collected over a million dollars from them.

455
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: This guy, Dale and Pierce of Arizona reportedly scamming multiple

456
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: women out of over one million dollars on dating apps

457
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: reported to be Bethany quote very charming, romantic. He convinced

458
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: women he was a wealthy businessman who could assist in

459
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: paying off their debts. And like Shaun Walts just told us,

460
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: tender plenty of fish match. He used to love the ladies.

461
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: So what, how does it happen? How did you get

462
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: so sucked in? What did he just sit on the

463
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: internet and the phone all day and night, every day

464
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: and night, all day and night, Nancy. I mean, he

465
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: was quite the con artist. I would have to believe

466
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: that almost all of these women were vulnerable in some way.

467
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: One woman had just gotten out of a relationship. They

468
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: were all desperate for love. I think a lot of

469
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: I see these women in my practice, A lot of

470
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: them feel that they cannot go out in the world

471
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: and date um. I had this happen to a patient

472
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: of mine who was morbidly obese, single mom desperately wanted

473
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: a father figure for her child. When online got got

474
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: taken in by somebody. Within minutes, she had fallen for

475
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: this guy. Within three or four days, she had written

476
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: out a check for ten thousand dollars. She I saw

477
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: her twice a week from one session to the next

478
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: she had already lost ten thousand dollars to somebody who

479
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: was conning her online and already felt in love with him.

480
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: It's a powerful poll, Nancy. Not only is he a

481
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: con artist, but you were. You were joking about the brain,

482
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, the reptilian or the Olympic system is so

483
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: gets so activated when we fall in love. It's Helen Fisher,

484
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: a cultural anthropologist, likened it to being on cocaine. That's

485
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: what the experience of falling in love is like. And

486
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: this guy didn't have to do anything, Nancy. All he

487
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: had to do was just sit behind his computer and

488
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: click away and he reeled them in. You know, Dr Bethany,

489
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: the last time I saw you, it was in l

490
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: A and I of course was in a studio away

491
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: from you, and we stepped out at the end of

492
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: the program and I saw you in the hall and

493
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: I went, what is happening? You looked more beautiful. Let

494
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: me just say, um, you kind of glowed. Your waist

495
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: was about Let me just go with three. Um. You

496
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: look like you've been bodybuilding. Your skin was perfect, your

497
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: hair was different, and you had on new clothes. I'm like, Oh,

498
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: what's going on? Bethany? Take your own medicine. You told

499
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: me you were in love. I was in love. I

500
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: had just gotten married, and yes, it had a transformative power.

501
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: So you can see what a strong pull this is

502
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: for all of us. But when you look at the

503
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: neurobiological aspect, when we fall in love, it's as if

504
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: our brains go offline. Okay, everything is in the service

505
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: of being connected to that other person. So when you

506
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: think about what happened to these women, it's like they

507
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: lost they lost their their capacity to think. But I

508
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: have to think also that these women. I do not

509
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: want to blame the victim. This guy was a huge

510
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: con artist, but these women unconsciously set themselves up by

511
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: hiding behind their own computers too. Because if you really

512
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: want to meet somebody, go out and meet them in person,

513
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: do not meet them online. Get to know them, get

514
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: to know their their people, get to know their friends,

515
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: get to know their families, get to know them in

516
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: their social context. Whenever a guy isolates you, um via

517
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: a computer, via technology, taking away on a vacation, not

518
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: letting you meet the people in his life, it's really

519
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: spells the beginning of disaster. Where social features and we

520
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: need to meet in social environments. Listen to this, Shawn Walsh.

521
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: One victim forked over. It actually hurts my mouth to

522
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: say this. Two hundred and forty thousand dollars, including part

523
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: of her four oh one k. Another woman took out

524
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollar loan to give to Pierce as

525
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: an investment. Two hundred and forty thousand dollars. Guys, that's

526
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: a quarter of a million dollars. That's a life savings.

527
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: That's more than a life savings. I mean most people,

528
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: most of America, and believe me, I've been there. I

529
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: have so been there are one paycheck from eviction, one

530
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: paycheck away from eviction. I remember Seawan in law school.

531
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: I would have to drive through the bank teller the

532
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: drive through and ask what my balance was. I was

533
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: so broke before I would write a check. Know, we

534
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: can get on the internet and look and I would

535
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: go to uh see it was del Taco would have

536
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: to white no three tacos for nine cents on Tuesday night.

537
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: I would try to get through from Tuesday to Tuesday

538
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: so I could go eat for ninety nine cents. I

539
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: was literally looking through the bottom of the car and

540
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: the car seat to try to find money to get

541
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: the three tacos. I would actually write a check for

542
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: ninety I actually wrote a check, would write a check

543
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: for the Delta. I mean the dollar store was my

544
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: best friend when I was in college. Was was have

545
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: you been to Dollar Tree? I mean, I don't want

546
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: to make an ad for anything but Dollar Tree. If

547
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: you are not shopping at Dollar Tree, Shawn Walsh and

548
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, you are wasting a lot of money. Okay.

549
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: I ripped my husband and me on the other night.

550
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: He dared to come home with some toothpaste. I said,

551
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: did you go to Dollar Tary? He's like no, I'm

552
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: like okay, So anyway, I said, that's three dollars and fifty,

553
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: said David, what are you thinking? Man? Okay? Now where

554
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: were we go? Back to? You? Shan watch the two U.

555
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: I know it's tragic, and I mean part of it

556
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: for one k, which should be saved for your retirement.

557
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean he was pretending to be this wealthy businessman.

558
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: He got access to their life savings, and he was

559
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: using the money at casinos, nightclubs, and strip clubs. I

560
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: mean it is hard. Wait, I didn't know the strip

561
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: club part. Wait, he was taking their money and going

562
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: to strip clubs. Did I just hear that exactly? Exactly

563
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: strip clubs? And so once again, how much jail time

564
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: can this guy get? What's the maximum he could possibly get?

565
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean, the judge has got to think about his

566
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: or her daughter, their sister, their mom. I mean, these

567
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: ladies say they were had a horrible spot in their life, vulnerable,

568
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: just got to divorce one of them. Uh, and he

569
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: quote wowed them. Pierce had the ability to take advantage

570
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: of women because he was a smooth talker. You know,

571
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: he reminds me a little bit of Scott Peterson the fertilizer,

572
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: a salesman. Where I come from, we call it something different.

573
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: But okay, that's another cannon worm. So what was his line, Sean,

574
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Bethany to analyze this. What was his

575
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: line to the lady? Oh, he would stage phone calls

576
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: where he was doing deals and he looked impressive and

577
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: he'd have them MANU, wait, wait, what do you mean

578
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: by that? He'll slow down? Listen, You're like drinking from

579
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: a fire, Hidra. I can't take it in that fast.

580
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: What do you mean he was stage calls or he

581
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: was quote doing deals. I gotta hear he. One victim

582
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: said he'd be on the telephone doing deals, and she

583
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: was impressed by that. And another victim said she'd go

584
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: to his very well decked out home and his closet

585
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: was organized, the shoes and the suits all color coordinated.

586
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: There was no need to question it because he looked

587
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: like he had it all. But nancy an organized closet.

588
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: I remember, okay, pause, I remember this one guy I

589
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: went out with. I saw in his closet and all

590
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: the shoes were lined up like little ants, and they

591
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: had those shoe things stuck in them to keep them

592
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: in the right shape. Yeah, those those big wooden things

593
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: that people see end a wooden fake foot in every shoe.

594
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: And it was color what do you say, divided by

595
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: colors and slaves. I turned myself around. Of course I

596
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: ate because he had prepared his great meal okay, like

597
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: the anal chef, and of course ate that homemade salad dressing.

598
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,479
Speaker 1: I still remember it. I mean he had a little

599
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: um what the clear raps surround wrap over the bowls

600
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: of seth. So naturally, then I said, okay, you know,

601
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to work. I got my framework right,

602
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: out of there because I knew oil and water don't

603
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: mix people, so I can can you just hear this,

604
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany what Sean is describing by hell In the background,

605
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: one of the victims says, he had shoes of every color,

606
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: and did you see the picture of him and the article,

607
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: He's wearing this orange track suit. At first I thought

608
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: it was a it was an orange jumpsuit, like he'd

609
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: already been incarcerated. Then I realized it was a solid

610
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: orange track suit, orange sweat pop, orange sweatpant. He looked

611
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: like an orange. So this guy had a thing for

612
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: looking at him right now, Bethani, Look, I blame you,

613
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: Shawn Walsh from daily mail dot com, because I'm looking

614
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: at daily mail dot com right now and you're look,

615
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: it's your picture. Look at his shoes. They're perfect, they

616
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: do not they're white, the socks are white. They do

617
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: not have a single scuff nothing on had We're a

618
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: million dollars he got from his victims to be able

619
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: to buy those perfect shoes and the bad clothing in

620
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: their closet and kept the good clothing in his closet. Yeah, exactly,

621
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: he was something of the suits. I'd love to see

622
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: inside his home. You think you can get pictures of

623
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: that shown, because I would like to see his lovely,

624
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: perfectly appointed home. Um listen to this. On a serious note,

625
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: nearly fifty million Americans have tried dating apps, and the

626
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: popularity continues to grow, and therefore the chances of you

627
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: getting scammed continues to grow. The other night, Bethany I

628
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: saw John David is addicted to Minecraft, and he always goes, Mom,

629
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm building a house for you to live in with me,

630
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: and I'm making secret doors and safe rooms and trap escape.

631
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that's a little freaky. I wonder where

632
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: he got that from. But I mean, how can I

633
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: argue with him about he's building a house for me.

634
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: But there's a way that other people can talk to

635
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: you on Minecraft. I don't know exactly what that is,

636
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: but I always say, John David, that's not a little boy.

637
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: That's a sixty year old, fat guy in a T

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Speaker 1: shirt somewhere acting like he's a nine year old. Do

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Speaker 1: you really want to talk to him? He gets off,

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Speaker 1: freaked out and throws down the iPad. But it happens

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Speaker 1: you are lulled into a sense of thinking, you know

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Speaker 1: this person because you talked to them so many times

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Speaker 1: a day online, and I guess you think, wow, he's

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Speaker 1: online with me, How could he be with anybody else? Well?

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Speaker 1: It even how how do you get sucked into it? Well,

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Speaker 1: it happen. Get on a date. You know, even on

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Speaker 1: a date, you feel that that this person is special

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Speaker 1: above all others. They could be your soul mate. We

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Speaker 1: lose all reason that that part of the Olympic system

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Speaker 1: gets activated. So even more online it's going to get activated.

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Speaker 1: I won't say what people live sing out there. Limit

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Speaker 1: your interactions on the internet, keep it to five minutes,

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Speaker 1: ten minutes. If somebody is not willing to spend time

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Speaker 1: with you out in the real world, they don't really

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Speaker 1: want a relationship with you. They just want something from you.

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Speaker 1: They do not want to be with you. Somebody who

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Speaker 1: wants to love you, wants to see you. One person

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Speaker 1: wants to spend time across from the table, wants to

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Speaker 1: make an you know, wants to have dinner with you,

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Speaker 1: wants to make an investment with you and you. They're

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Speaker 1: not going to ask for something from you, like money.

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Speaker 1: And you know the stories I hear in my practice, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: it's always um Look Um, I got a traffic ticket

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Speaker 1: and I can't pay it. But I have a million

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Speaker 1: dollars in Europe. I just can't get access to it.

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Speaker 1: That that's sort of the storyline always. I have millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars somewhere else, but um, it's tied up in

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Speaker 1: a trust. It's um, I'm about to inherit it. Um

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Speaker 1: My my company is going through a merger and acquisition.

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Speaker 1: I can't get access to it right now, so you

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Speaker 1: can please give me sort of a bridge loan. It's

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Speaker 1: always a bridge loan. That's what I can. Bridge loan.

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Speaker 1: A bridge loan. Yeah, oh, you know what, you know what.

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Speaker 1: And there's a whole another can of worms. Um about

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Speaker 1: long distance relationships when you don't know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: But this guy, Sean Walts says that he's a successful entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: The reality is In two thousand thirteen, he was released

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Speaker 1: from prison after a thirteen year sentence for theft, trafficking

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Speaker 1: and getting activity federal probation for a banking basil. Totally fancy.

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Speaker 1: The takeaway here is Google, Google, Google. Google. If you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be dating someone online, google them, look into them.

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Speaker 1: Do it? Google Google Like look, I mean this was

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Speaker 1: a career criminal and these poor ladies were taking advantage

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Speaker 1: of Next time ladies. If you're listening, man, if you're listening,

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Speaker 1: give me someone online and it sounds too good to

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Speaker 1: be true. Guess what it is. It is Odd Walsh,

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Speaker 1: Daily Mail dot Com. Dr Bethany Marshall, renowned psychologists joining

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Speaker 1: me from l A. Guys, you're awesome. Nancy Graces Crime

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Speaker 1: Story signing off, goodbye friend,