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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of at

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Speaker 1: Starting Point. Guard for the Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Bucks is Gamy trand Lillard.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Cool they did it, man, Man, you know I own

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Speaker 4: the text thread. We were talking about this Damian Lillard

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Speaker 4: trade and I said, I'm getting a Bucks jersey because

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Speaker 4: I just want to feel the excitement that Bucks fans.

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Speaker 5: Have right now.

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Speaker 6: That's I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: This was the Sharry's fun outcome, especially like we had

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Speaker 1: the heat in mind for them for a long time.

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Speaker 5: Celtics could have gotten involved, which is.

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Speaker 1: Right, So that like that this is why this is

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Speaker 1: such a load off, is that the team that I

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Speaker 1: don't like did not get Damian Lillard. Yeah, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Sun's got stronger. Who are a team I will

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Speaker 1: be rooting for this year. I always root for the

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Speaker 1: best players in the league, and Giannis now has like

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Speaker 1: a much more exciting team. Yeah, it's it's tough. They

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Speaker 1: lost a really good guard in Drew Holliday, but.

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Speaker 6: We shall see.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we're like the camera.

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Speaker 4: They won't do it because the chemistry. It's like, well

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Speaker 4: maybe Dame, I don't know, you might do it for

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Speaker 4: Damian Lillard.

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Speaker 1: Or he is a generational Uh just baller. I will

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Speaker 1: say this is yet more confirmation. I was having this

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Speaker 1: thought last night. I was watching a thirty for thirty

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Speaker 1: documentary from the year twenty thirteen about the No Mas,

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Speaker 1: The Roberto Doran Sugar Ray Leonard documentary.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'll see that one.

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Speaker 1: It's interviewing all these sports writers from the time and

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Speaker 1: like to like still today, and they're like, he's a coward,

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Speaker 1: what a lot, Like nobody can figure out why he quit.

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Speaker 6: In the middle, And I was just like, man, sports writers.

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Speaker 1: Really are the lowest form of humanity in a lot

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Speaker 1: of cases.

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Speaker 6: They're just like these like old white.

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Speaker 1: Guys are here being like Roberto Duran disgraced himself as

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Speaker 1: a man and disgusting. He ran away with them and

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Speaker 1: still to this day just like talking why like he

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Speaker 1: came back from that and like went on to like

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Speaker 1: win multiple titles, and they were still like he still

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Speaker 1: has to answer for this. But again with the Damian

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Speaker 1: Lillard trade, sports writers know nothing. They they nobody was

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Speaker 1: saying the Bucks. They were all he like, they threw

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Speaker 1: out every name in the NBA except the Bucks. So

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Speaker 1: y'all blew it. You're bad at your job. Your job

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Speaker 1: basically might as well not exist Smith. Yeah, just come

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Speaker 1: on mat boost these where we have a decidedly anti journalisms.

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Speaker 5: But we don't slag them off like we do on

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Speaker 5: this show.

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Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, Yeah, No, we have to go to one.

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Speaker 5: We have mine to go where you where are we

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Speaker 5: on that one? Dipshit?

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Speaker 1: We should just go line by line through their columns

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Speaker 1: everything they got wrong.

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Speaker 4: Like that Bucks writer who said three major reasons why

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Speaker 4: the Bucks would.

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Speaker 6: Never trade Damian. He threw them off their son.

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Speaker 1: All right, that is the biggest news obviously happening right now,

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Speaker 1: that Damian Lillard was traded. But like for those who

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Speaker 1: aren't NBA fans, Damian Lillard is probably the coolest person

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Speaker 1: in the NBA, like him and Jimmy Butler, Like he

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be traded to the Heat, and they

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Speaker 1: were like that team would be too cool with Damian

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Speaker 1: Lillard and Jimmy Butler on it, And therefore they sent

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Speaker 1: him to the team of the best player in the league.

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Speaker 1: Uh and also the most lovable superstar in the league,

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Speaker 1: Gianni Sante Tokupo. So exciting times, I guess. In like

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Speaker 1: one a to that news is that Donald Trump was

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Speaker 1: found liable for fraud.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: New York judge has said he's liable for two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars civil case brought by the state,

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Speaker 1: alleging that he engaged in a long time bait and

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Speaker 1: switch scheme to misrepresent his assets for tax purposes, while

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Speaker 1: also inflating their value in order to obtain favorable loan terms.

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Speaker 1: So he would in one set of papers be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: then like at the same time, to avoid paying taxes,

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Speaker 1: would say it is a different size and worth a different.

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Speaker 6: Amount of money. Yeah, at the same time, like.

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Speaker 5: Just at the same damn time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just openly lying, openly making up wealth. Like the

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Speaker 1: judges like, no, he just like made up his fortune.

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Speaker 4: There was there was one where like he completely overvalued

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Speaker 4: his fucking Trump Tower like apartment that.

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Speaker 5: He lives in.

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Speaker 6: He did not even say the right size, yeah.

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Speaker 4: By like in ridiculous orders of magnitude, to the point

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Speaker 4: where the judge was like, there's no way I can

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Speaker 4: believe this is anything but fraud concerning you come from

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Speaker 4: real estate, so how could you fucking blow it like that?

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Speaker 6: Like, no, this is it's supposed to be your thing.

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Speaker 1: Man like the case as like he doesn't seem to

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Speaker 1: like his legal strategy just seems to be like, be

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Speaker 1: annoying as fuck as for as long as possible until

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Speaker 1: people are too annoyed to keep going. But that generally

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Speaker 1: doesn't work when you're being sued by the state. And

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Speaker 1: this judge was basically like he previously found some of

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Speaker 1: Trump's legal team's arguments so stupid he literally thought it

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Speaker 1: was a joke, such as the argument that the case

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Speaker 1: should be dismissed because hey, no one was harmed by

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Speaker 1: Trump's fraud.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, how did anybody get hurt? Hey, we're good here, right.

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Speaker 5: That's not how that goes.

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Speaker 4: But that's why it's wild too, Like the fucking judge

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Speaker 4: sanctioned the fucking lawyers because you're like, dude, this is

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Speaker 4: like I told you about these fucking spurious arguments, and

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Speaker 4: you still kept coming back with it, like I have

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Speaker 4: no choice but to.

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Speaker 1: They tried the no harm, no foul line of argument,

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Speaker 1: like come on, are you bleeding like that that a

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Speaker 1: bully is after he like punches you on the shoulder,

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Speaker 1: What are you bleeding?

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Speaker 6: And then not only did.

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Speaker 1: They try that once, and then they're like oh right right,

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Speaker 1: this is the court of law and not a playground.

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Speaker 1: They tried it once, the judge was like, stop it, no,

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Speaker 1: that is I thought that was a joke when you

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Speaker 1: brought it up, And then they did it so often

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Speaker 1: that the judge likened the defense to the time loop

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Speaker 1: in the film Groundhog Day. That is a direct quote.

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Speaker 5: So that just shows you the fucking caliber of law

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Speaker 5: like lawyer that he can get.

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Speaker 4: Now, like you, you can't even get like the janky

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Speaker 4: ones anymore, who have some semblance of like a career.

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Speaker 5: Now it's people who are in there being.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm honestly at his appeal, I would be surprised if,

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Speaker 4: as one of his lawyers at the appeal just didn't say, like, well,

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Speaker 4: that's just like.

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Speaker 6: Your opinion opinion, man, so throw the case out, no

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Speaker 6: further answers, answers your owner exactly.

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Speaker 5: But it's just it's a fucking summary judgment.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it wasn't even.

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Speaker 5: That's fucking again.

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Speaker 4: When when it's like that, it seemed like, bro, I

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Speaker 4: don't even a jury doesn't mean to fucking hear this.

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Speaker 5: That's how fucking out of control this whole shit is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think, what is it to Tuesday is

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Speaker 4: when the trial will happen, and that's when we will

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Speaker 4: begin to see what the fate is of all the

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Speaker 4: companies and things like that and all that. But again

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Speaker 4: it's going to get dragged on because there's going to

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Speaker 4: be appeals and shit like that.

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Speaker 5: But he cannot practice any kind of business or his

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Speaker 5: sons in the state of New York right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, according to the ruling which allows the civil trial

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Speaker 1: to begin next week, Like he said, uh, but this

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Speaker 1: ruling says that he led to banks and insures by

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the wild shit here. Like when you

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Speaker 1: read the history of like how he built his business,

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Speaker 1: it is both like mind boggling that he got away

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Speaker 1: with it. But also when you look at like go

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Speaker 1: the shit that was going down in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eight on Wall Street, Like this is so much of

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Speaker 1: the economy is people just making up money, just making

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Speaker 1: making it up being.

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Speaker 6: Like no, that that club that I bought for you know,

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Speaker 6: tens of millions of.

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Speaker 1: Dollars it's actually worth two billion dollars now, Like that's

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Speaker 1: what he was doing with mar A Lago, like, and

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Speaker 1: that that's the one that they're focusing on because I

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Speaker 1: guess they're like differences of opinion of like how much

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Speaker 1: you could value mar A Lago at because the judge

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Speaker 1: is valuing it as not a private property but as

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Speaker 1: a you know, institution, like a business, which is what

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Speaker 1: it is. And people are like, no, you could sell

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Speaker 1: that for much more than that, but I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like it seems to be beside the point. Like that's

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Speaker 4: Right and again, like his whole thing was that he

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Speaker 4: more of a footnote in the whole the like all

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Speaker 4: the legal documents, is that he said it didn't matt like,

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Speaker 4: he didn't fraudulently inflate it because he could still sell

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Speaker 4: them to Saudi buyers at any price he chooses. That

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Speaker 4: is why, yo, come on, Like let's dive in on

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Speaker 4: that a little bit, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Like this is I.

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Speaker 3: Can name my price.

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Speaker 6: They owe me one, they owe me big time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, if you know I was the president

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Speaker 1: and I might be the president again, I'm cheating super

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Speaker 1: hard at that. So uh yeah, like yeah, it's just

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Speaker 5: So it's influence pedaling, not real estate documen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the shit is just baked in. The corruption is

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Speaker 1: baked in. He's not really trying to hide it. No,

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Speaker 1: And this is this like really shouldn't be a surprise,

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Speaker 1: Like if you were reading about like where he was

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Speaker 1: as a businessman heading into the twenty sixteen election, he

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Speaker 1: So like any arguments that like oh this this is

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Speaker 1: now everybody wants to find fault with him because he's

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Speaker 1: the political threat. It's like, no, he's.

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Speaker 5: Been he's been a roadster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been fraudulent from day one, and like he

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Speaker 1: couldn't do business in the US without committing fraud.

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Speaker 5: It is wildli like the mar al Lago thing.

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Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know, man, it could be worth

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Speaker 4: nothing and ten times that simultaneously, which was really interesting

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Speaker 4: how the judge was like, so it's both at the

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Speaker 4: same time, sir, and then.

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Speaker 1: The other three times his ruling which is two billion times.

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Speaker 5: Yes, sorry, excuse me, eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Million one hundred times eighteen million, uh is two billion

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Speaker 1: dollars almost one point yeah billion.

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Speaker 4: And he then like, which is twenty two was Then

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Speaker 4: he's like, well, it's about it's about the potential for

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Speaker 4: real estate development, but like the deed prevents that fucking

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Speaker 4: property from ever being.

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Speaker 5: Used that way. So it's just all fucking horseshit.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to get them to value mar A Lago

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Speaker 5: And that's what we call boy Matt.

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Speaker 1: this Wednesday, September twenty seventh. We are back tomorrow with

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Speaker 1: a whole lest episode of the show. Until then, be

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Speaker 1: kind to each other, be kind to yourselves, get the vaccine,

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Speaker 1: don't do nothing about white supremacy, and we will talk

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