Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey Bam.
Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, we're popping off and dishing
Speaker 2: on the biggest pop culture stories of the week with
Speaker 2: Post producer and reporter Kirby Johnson, who you know from
Speaker 2: the Pod Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: It's Friday, August second.
Speaker 3: I'm Simone Voice.
Speaker 4: I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from
Speaker 4: Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to
Speaker 4: share women's stories, to laugh, to learn, and brighten your day.
Speaker 3: Danielle, Happy Friday.
Speaker 1: What a great week we've had on the show. It
Speaker 1: really was a great week.
Speaker 4: I loved our interview yesterday with Andrea Joyce. Me too.
Speaker 4: She loved her craft so much. I loved that about her.
Speaker 4: I think she's part of the Golden Girls too. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 2: Today we're popping off about a TikTok trend that will
Speaker 2: certainly raise or perhaps spread some eyebrows, plus a celebrity's
Speaker 2: unconventional path to mental clarity, and the ultimate hot take.
Speaker 2: It's cheat Day, y'all, a controversial think piece has us
Speaker 2: wondering if it's ever okay to cheat on your partner.
Speaker 4: But before we go all the way there, it's time
Speaker 4: to spotlight our favorite Moment of the Week brought to
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Speaker 2: Summer makes me think of road trips, and that's exactly
Speaker 2: what we want to spotlight this week, especially a road
Speaker 2: trip in the BMWIX I four.
Speaker 4: You're speaking my language, simone, because USA Today published this
Speaker 4: list of top roadside attractions in the country, and they
Speaker 4: are so kitchy and fun. There's one that really caught
Speaker 4: my eye right away, and it's the Bonnie and Clyde
Speaker 4: Ambush Museum in Gibbslan, Louisiana. Let me just give you
Speaker 4: a little context. It's in the former mac Hanfield's Cafe,
Speaker 4: which legend has it is where Bonnie and Clyde ate
Speaker 4: their final meal right before they you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So Bonnie a to BLT and Clyde ada fried Baloney sandwich.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a fried the Loney sandwich?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the BLT. But that location sounds really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love feeling like I'm steeped in history while I'm
Speaker 2: eating a BLT.
Speaker 4: I love that you said that, because this is what
Speaker 4: I think is really cool about it. The museum has
Speaker 4: all of these artifacts, like some of their personal items,
Speaker 4: even weapons, photographs like they have all the the newspaper clippings,
Speaker 4: like all the headlines from that moment, And I think
Speaker 4: it's really cool to see these artifacts up close. And
Speaker 4: then also, I have to be honest with you, since
Speaker 4: I'm in the car, I'm gonna drive to New Orleans
Speaker 4: for a little bigne at Cafe Dumont. And if you
Speaker 4: guys have heard of it, it's because it's the best
Speaker 4: beignet place of all time.
Speaker 2: You gotta eat them hot though yes you've been, of course, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you gotta eat them hot with all the powdered sugar
Speaker 2: on top. It's so delicious, delish. Great choices, Danielle. I
Speaker 2: saw both of those too. For my inspiration, I took
Speaker 2: a peek at Timeout's Best US road.
Speaker 1: Trip list Where we go Hell, my top choice.
Speaker 3: Is abundantly clear.
Speaker 2: I want to take a joy ride through the hairpin
Speaker 2: turns of the road to Hanna in Maui, Hawaii. So
Speaker 2: this ride through paradise connects Kahului to Hanna on the
Speaker 2: island of Maui. We're talking about epic ocean cliffs, waterfalls,
Speaker 2: fragrant tropical flowers. I mean, sign me up. What more
Speaker 2: could you want from a summer road trip? Plus a
Speaker 2: little dip in the ocean too, chef's kiss.
Speaker 4: So wait, you're saying I'm going to Gibbsland and you're
Speaker 4: going to Hawaii.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got time.
Speaker 1: Can we switch road trips?
Speaker 2: You're more than welcome to hop into my BMW and
Speaker 2: do the road to Hanna with me.
Speaker 1: Is this your first road trip or you do these?
Speaker 3: I've done a lot of road trips.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite road trips was road tripping from
Speaker 2: Florida to California the Southern route. So got to see
Speaker 2: a lot of tumbleweeds, some beautiful red rock formations. Yeah,
Speaker 2: very memorable.
Speaker 3: How about you?
Speaker 4: I have taken quite a few road trips too. I've
Speaker 4: taken some California to Utah. I've taken some down like
Speaker 4: the Eastern Coast. My most memorable one, though, I have
Speaker 4: to tell you, was with my best friend from high school, Martina,
Speaker 4: and junior year of high school, we begged her mom
Speaker 4: to let us borrow her BMW X three and we
Speaker 4: would road trip to every Midwestern college.
Speaker 1: We would go to Indiana to Michigan.
Speaker 4: To Wisconsin, to Ohio State and we were telling our
Speaker 4: parents that on the weekends like we were just you know,
Speaker 4: visiting colleges. Really, we were just hanging out with our
Speaker 4: friends who were like a year or two older than us.
Speaker 1: We were sleeping like three in a bed in their.
Speaker 4: Dorm room, going out every like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and
Speaker 4: then driving home on Sunday and being like, hmm, maybe
Speaker 4: we should go to college there.
Speaker 3: Oh that sounds like so much fun.
Speaker 1: I have the best memories from those road trips.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a few more road trip ideas that
Speaker 2: I want to run by you.
Speaker 4: Oh you ready, Yes, You're seemed better than mine, so
Speaker 4: I'm now very curious.
Speaker 3: It's not a competition. Okay, they're all winners.
Speaker 2: But for my first fantasy road trip idea, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: East Coast will take Roote six from Providence, Rhode Island,
Speaker 2: to Provincetown, Massachusetts, with pitstops in charming New England towns
Speaker 2: along the way. Can't forget Cape Cod. I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 4: Yes, me too, and I've always wanted to go to
Speaker 4: Rhode Island.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, so we're agreed on that.
Speaker 2: Yep, next one on the West Coast, I think we
Speaker 2: can consider Utah West Coast sort of. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 2: thinking Utah's Scenic Byway twelve. We'll drive through Red Rock Arches,
Speaker 2: scenic overlooks, views of the Henry Mountains, and then head
Speaker 2: on over to Bryce Canyon too. There's also this thing
Speaker 2: called the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument. And apparently there's
Speaker 2: this amazing coffee shop called Kiva Coffeehouse where you can
Speaker 2: have a cup of Joe with a view.
Speaker 4: Simone, you had me at coffee, right, yes, Okay.
Speaker 2: Finally, to round out our fantasy road trip list, we're
Speaker 2: heading up north go into the Sun Road in Montana's
Speaker 2: Glacier National Park. At an elevation over sixty five hundred feet.
Speaker 2: We'll be able to take in all the wildflower meadows
Speaker 2: and verdant valleys below Verdant Valleys going to the Sun Road,
Speaker 2: it just makes so much sense for the bright side.
Speaker 4: I just want everybody to know that Simona's a beautiful vocabulary.
Speaker 4: I don't always know the words she's using. Verdant is
Speaker 4: one of them. She recently taught me. It means greenery, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just like the way verdant valley sounds.
Speaker 4: Verdant valleys. Well, you sold me, I'm in. I also
Speaker 4: love Montana. If we're there, can we kind of drive
Speaker 4: to Big Sky and see God's Country and hike a
Speaker 4: little bit totally. I got my cowboy boots ready, Simon.
Speaker 4: I know we have like a daily show to do,
Speaker 4: but I'm thinking we should just hop in the car.
Speaker 3: Let's go. What are we doing here in this stuffy studio.
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Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's go is right, because it's time to pop off, y'all.
Speaker 2: And today we're joined by a true beauty guru, Kirby Johnson.
Speaker 2: She is our go to girl for skincare, for makeup trends,
Speaker 2: for celebrity content. I mean, you name it, she knows it.
Speaker 2: Kirby first started reporting for Pop Sugar back in twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: and her work has been seen in publications like The Cut,
Speaker 2: Glamour and The Hollywood Reporter and now The bright Side.
Speaker 4: She's interviewed some of the biggest names in Hollywood, Jennifer Aniston,
Speaker 4: Viola Davis, Ariana Grande, Mariah Carrie, and now she's the
Speaker 4: co host of the very popular Gloss Angeles podcast. I
Speaker 4: love listening, Kirby, Welcome to the bright Side.
Speaker 5: Thank you both. It is crazy too. I mean I
Speaker 5: know both of you, but hearing your voices in my
Speaker 5: headphones versus on my phone in the bathroom when I'm
Speaker 5: getting ready in the morning, it's pretty major.
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited to be here. You can't escape us,
Speaker 1: hik I really can't.
Speaker 3: I can't. Can I just.
Speaker 1: First say, Los Angeles. God, that's such a good name.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 5: It's such a good credit to my co host, Sarah Tan.
Speaker 5: We had a different name. It was originally reporting for
Speaker 5: Beauty because we're both beauty editors.
Speaker 3: Reporting for duty. Yeah, and then.
Speaker 5: We love a good play onwards it was taken. The
Speaker 5: domain name was taken, and we said, okay, we got
Speaker 5: to rethink, and then she just said, what about gloss Angelus.
Speaker 4: I actually think it was meant to be. It's so elevated,
Speaker 4: it's so great.
Speaker 1: We love it.
Speaker 2: I love a good name, like I just really appreciate
Speaker 2: like a good name.
Speaker 5: And we call our listeners glam Jelino's instead of Angelina.
Speaker 1: It's so cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing that I find super interesting about you, Kirby.
Speaker 1: We met tell me, well, we.
Speaker 4: Met on red carpets early on in both of our careers.
Speaker 4: We were interviewing people at the very ends of the
Speaker 4: lines of the red carpets, bagging for interviews.
Speaker 1: I know what that section of the carpet is like,
Speaker 1: very well.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's like where all the hooligans are, and we're like,
Speaker 5: we're all trying so hard, but we're also like nobody
Speaker 5: cares about us, so we can really get away With
Speaker 5: Tom Cruse, this is the only one who will He'll
Speaker 5: bypass everyone and just come over. And you're like, this
Speaker 5: was a gift, thank god, thank you.
Speaker 4: But we were doing entertainment, yeah, and then you saw
Speaker 4: something that was available that wasn't being covered in the
Speaker 4: way that you wanted to cover it, and that was beauty.
Speaker 4: And so you took your knowledge of entertainment and started
Speaker 4: this cross section of beauty reporting and you've really become
Speaker 4: the go to person on the Internet and for a
Speaker 4: lot of huge magazines.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm very fascinated with anything behind the scenes. I
Speaker 5: grew up in Texas, That's where my family is, and
Speaker 5: my goal, I think since second grade, was to move
Speaker 5: to Hollywood. Like you know when they have those little
Speaker 5: posters that you make that say where do you want
Speaker 5: to be?
Speaker 1: What do you want to do? It was literally me drawing.
Speaker 5: A picture of the Hollywood Hills with the Hollywood sign,
Speaker 5: Like I knew I wanted to be here, And I
Speaker 5: was always fascinated not just with the glitz and the
Speaker 5: glam of like a Julia Roberts or Cameron.
Speaker 1: Diaz, but I really wanted to know who was.
Speaker 5: Made making these people look like this, Like Cameron Diaz,
Speaker 5: like how did she get her hair, you know, up
Speaker 5: and gelled like that? And something about Mary like what
Speaker 5: was that?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't product was yeah, what was it?
Speaker 5: And then reading magazines like a Lore where they were
Speaker 5: really they weren't called glam squads at the time, but
Speaker 5: they were really highlighting the people like Hillary Duff's favorite
Speaker 5: I makeup pencil, according to her makeup artist is blah
Speaker 5: blah blah. So I really liked kind of sharing that
Speaker 5: information with my friends, reading it and then taking it
Speaker 5: to them kind of like a little roving reporter, and
Speaker 5: then you know, you come out to LA everybody wants
Speaker 5: to be for me. At least when I moved out
Speaker 5: in two thousand and nine, it was E News. I
Speaker 5: wanted to be on E News. I wanted to be
Speaker 5: Ryan and Juliana. I like in college, I was glued
Speaker 5: to E News. And then you learn very quickly, Oh,
Speaker 5: you can't just waltz in and be like, I want
Speaker 5: an audition. I want to get that job like I.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of people vuying for that job.
Speaker 5: Even people that were working as editors and writers on
Speaker 5: those sites were not able to get those on camera jobs.
Speaker 5: And so I really try to figure out, Okay, what's
Speaker 5: my edge? What makes me different? Everybody's reporting on entertainment,
Speaker 5: and I think the two things were beauty obviously, and
Speaker 5: then also reporting on things in a realistic way without
Speaker 5: degrading other people. I think that when you yuck somebody
Speaker 5: else's yum, it's just bad vibes, bad karma. I don't
Speaker 5: want that in my life. And also, you never know
Speaker 5: what somebody is going through. So I always try to
Speaker 5: come at it where I might be critical of something,
Speaker 5: but it's always constructive and it's never mean, It's never
Speaker 5: in a way that I think could put somebody down.
Speaker 2: It sounds like Los Angeles has kind of become like
Speaker 2: this group chat that you've opened up to the masses.
Speaker 2: You're saying that it started out just you reporting beauty
Speaker 2: information to your friends. What would you say is your
Speaker 2: philosophy when you cover these.
Speaker 5: Topics That beauty is subjective, So what's beautiful to me
Speaker 5: may not be beautiful to you. To you, it's very
Speaker 5: dependent on so many factors in your life. And that
Speaker 5: also there's beauty in everything. That might kind of sound
Speaker 5: contradictory in a way, but it's not. There's beauty and everything.
Speaker 5: So if something doesn't work for you, that's fine, it
Speaker 5: may work for other people. There's no need to shade anybody.
Speaker 5: There's no need to be hypercritical of something. I do
Speaker 5: think there are really dumb trends that come around, but
Speaker 5: they're dumb because they are only being done for likes
Speaker 5: and views and engagement.
Speaker 1: They don't actually teach anything.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, guys, we're not going to talk about any
Speaker 2: of them today. We're not going to talk about any
Speaker 2: dumb trends today.
Speaker 5: But I think that you know, beauty can seem very
Speaker 5: superficial and there's a lot more to it. It's you know,
Speaker 5: the whole the skin deep, you know, saying that everybody
Speaker 5: loves to say. It's like it is really more than
Speaker 5: skin deep. So I that's kind of where I come
Speaker 5: from when it comes to beauty, that there's beauty and everything. Well,
Speaker 5: you just launched a new project called powder Room.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm so excited.
Speaker 4: The latest episode launched with Rare Beauty founders Selina Gomez.
Speaker 1: Yes, what way to launch? Kirby?
Speaker 5: I just I shot my shot basically did you chat
Speaker 5: with her about?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 5: The whole premise of powder Room is, you know, when
Speaker 5: you go into a women's bathroom. I was kind of
Speaker 5: laughing about this because I'm like, when was the last
Speaker 5: time I was in a club. But when you go
Speaker 5: to the club and you're having fun with your girls,
Speaker 5: you go to the bathroom and everyone's kind of congregating,
Speaker 5: they're doing their makeup, or maybe somebody's like emotional about
Speaker 5: how somebody's treating her, and you're offering advice.
Speaker 1: It's like a.
Speaker 5: Community aspect where you can go, you know, really superficial
Speaker 5: level or like really deep with someone and make somebody
Speaker 5: feel good. That's what I wanted the powder room to be.
Speaker 5: But I wanted to be like slightly elevated, not like
Speaker 5: I didn't want to call it like the women's bathroom,
Speaker 5: girls girls room. There's plenty of girls rooms, so I
Speaker 5: was like, the powder room. Men can come in the
Speaker 5: powder room if they want to, Like, I want to
Speaker 5: open this up to everybody. But she just happened to
Speaker 5: be launching a powder so it kind of worked out perfectly.
Speaker 5: And I asked her team and they said yes, and
Speaker 5: then I went in and I remember I was shaking.
Speaker 5: I was so nervous. I've interviewed her before, so this
Speaker 5: is you know, you know how it gets y'all like
Speaker 5: you You're like, they're here, they're in the floor. I
Speaker 5: want to do a great job, and you want them
Speaker 5: to be happy. That's where I come from. I don't
Speaker 5: want them to be like, this girl's weird.
Speaker 1: What are these questions?
Speaker 3: God?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't want to answer this.
Speaker 5: I want them to feel comfortable, and I want them,
Speaker 5: like not to like me, but I want them to
Speaker 5: enjoy the experience. Selena was great. She was absolutely lovely.
Speaker 5: She was totally down and we just we talked about.
Speaker 5: It was a five minute interview, which you're you know,
Speaker 5: you guys, know, what can you really get out of
Speaker 5: five minutes?
Speaker 1: But she gave me some really good more souls, which
Speaker 1: I was really really excited about. Yeah, that's super cool.
Speaker 3: All right, y'all. It is the end of the week.
Speaker 2: It is time to pop off on some of the
Speaker 2: biggest moments in pop culture from the week.
Speaker 3: Kirby, what's on your mind this week?
Speaker 5: Okay, there's major, major beauty news this week. May am
Speaker 5: I to not share beauty news. If I said the
Speaker 5: name Blake Brown Beauty, does that ring any bells for you?
Speaker 5: It probably will for you too, because you're in it.
Speaker 5: But no, it does because I saw your video. Oh okay, Okay,
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna be quiet.
Speaker 2: Okay, Blake Brown, the name Blake Brown, I don't know it.
Speaker 2: I don't know the name Blake Brown.
Speaker 5: Okay, So what if I told you that was Blake
Speaker 5: Lively's new haircare brand that is launching next week nationwide
Speaker 5: in Target stores.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Eight products, shampoos, a styling product, a moose hair masks.
Speaker 1: No conditioner, interesting nosier? No conditioner? Why is that for
Speaker 1: curly girls?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: The ethos of this brand, essentially is that you don't
Speaker 5: use conditioner, you use the Leven masks that they offer
Speaker 5: to repair the hair.
Speaker 4: This is a trend, though I've heard this. Actually, a
Speaker 4: girl just told me she has curly hair. I'm trying
Speaker 4: to work out my curls and she said, no conditioner,
Speaker 4: just use this mask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how's a curly girl. I don't know about this
Speaker 2: no conditioner thing. I'm I'm optical because we need if
Speaker 2: you have natural hair, like you need conditioner, you need moisture.
Speaker 5: So they're saying that these Levin masks that they're providing,
Speaker 5: these giant vats of them, that's what you should use.
Speaker 5: So pick a mask that's meant to repair the hair
Speaker 5: versus just a typical conditioner, which we are kind of,
Speaker 5: to Danielle's point, seeing a little bit more of, especially
Speaker 5: with the rise of K eighteen being like a repairative
Speaker 5: mask that you just leave in and get.
Speaker 4: The only masks that I've used that's worked for me,
Speaker 4: and I've tried all of the.
Speaker 3: Same K eighteen.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's very overpriced and it is so good.
Speaker 5: It is so good and it actually works, yeah, better
Speaker 5: than anything else out there.
Speaker 3: I love a new beauty discovery.
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of hair, there is this I don't even
Speaker 4: I can't even say it. There is this new trend
Speaker 4: on TikTok called the octopus eyebrow. It has more than
Speaker 4: twelve million views, a million likes. It's everywhere. It's one
Speaker 4: of those dumb trends that you were talking about. It
Speaker 4: get you spelled out.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. I don't like saying dumb. I
Speaker 1: don't know why.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand, do you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 5: it feels very It feels like worse than a curse
Speaker 5: words to me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, nothing's dumb. I think this is dumb.
Speaker 1: Tell the listeners what the octopus eyebrow is.
Speaker 3: We'll let them judge. Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Okay, So people are doing this.
Speaker 5: You split your eyebrow hairs down the middle with a
Speaker 5: very thick wax or palmade maybe from Anastasia Beverly Hills,
Speaker 5: and you curl your brow hairs look like little octopus
Speaker 5: legs up and down.
Speaker 1: That's the part, the up and down. So some of
Speaker 1: them are going down, some of them are going up.
Speaker 5: It is truly, uh, you know, the fear of holes
Speaker 5: like that is the fear that this gives me incites
Speaker 5: in me. It doesn't look natural because you're literally parting
Speaker 5: your hair your brow hairs in a way that's just
Speaker 5: truly the most unnatural. Well.
Speaker 4: Refinery twenty nine kind of posted it as this avant
Speaker 4: garde model editorial.
Speaker 5: Look, I'm sorry, nobody except literally a model in a
Speaker 5: magazine for a photo, is doing this to look good.
Speaker 1: I'm just putting it out there.
Speaker 5: The only reason this is happening is because it will
Speaker 5: get you views on TikTok.
Speaker 3: Someone should demonstrate.
Speaker 1: I think someone should demonstrate it to be.
Speaker 5: I don't have the products you have beautiful fluffy brows.
Speaker 1: I have a meeting.
Speaker 2: I can't have a bad information because I was promised
Speaker 2: that someone was going to demonstrate this trend today.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 5: I I considered it, but I did not have the
Speaker 5: right product than your I was told, hey, if you
Speaker 5: have this stuff, can you bring it? And I was
Speaker 5: like yeah. Then I looked in my stash. I did
Speaker 5: not have any of the things.
Speaker 3: So I don't I don't blame you.
Speaker 2: I was not really into having Calamari browse today, so.
Speaker 1: I actually like that name better. Yeah me too, It's better.
Speaker 2: We've got to take a quick break, but we'll be
Speaker 2: right back. Don't go anywhere. We're back to popping off
Speaker 2: with Kirby Johnson.
Speaker 4: Okay, how important is mental clarity do you guys? Very
Speaker 4: like sale of one to ten ten.
Speaker 5: I don't think I'm I'm mentally clear ever, but it
Speaker 5: is important.
Speaker 4: It's really high. Okay, how about you, Simon? Yeah, very
Speaker 4: important one through ten ten. Wow, so both of you
Speaker 4: are ten. So you're saying you're willing to do absolutely
Speaker 4: anything for mental clarity.
Speaker 2: Oh, you asked me how much.
Speaker 1: I prioritize it. I do prioritize it, but there are limits.
Speaker 3: Oh of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to see if you would go this far?
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: R and B singer Maya from.
Speaker 3: It's the Iconic Anthem from Mulanderge.
Speaker 4: The Iconic R and B singer Maya just last week
Speaker 4: revealed that she's been quote celibate for seven years.
Speaker 3: Good for her.
Speaker 4: She said it during her appearance on the Way Up
Speaker 4: with Angela Yee, saying that the practice of celibacy has
Speaker 4: brought her more mental clarity and shifted her mindset, and
Speaker 4: she talked about how she felt like there was always
Speaker 4: this rush to be in a relationship, to have a man,
Speaker 4: to have babies. There's a lot of pressure for women
Speaker 4: in particular. I definitely feel that do you feel it, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: right now? Feeling it me too. So it let her
Speaker 4: take a step back and refocus. And here's the thing
Speaker 4: that's interesting to me. She's not alone Lenny Kravitz, Julia Fox,
Speaker 4: all celebrities that have come out recently calling it this
Speaker 4: spiritual thing. The one thing I will say about this
Speaker 4: is that I'm confused between celibacy and abstinence because I
Speaker 4: think celibacy has a religious connotation. So I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if it's abstinence or celibacy. But either way, they're not
Speaker 4: having sex. Okay, that's because perhaps it's my Texas roots.
Speaker 4: But abstinence has a religious connotation for me. Yes, interesting
Speaker 4: because it was you are abstinate until marriage.
Speaker 1: That was what I was taught growing up. Interesting.
Speaker 2: I always think of abstinence as the period before you
Speaker 2: have sex yep. And then celibacy is when you after
Speaker 2: take a conscious pause.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's both, maybe they're both kind of religious in
Speaker 5: a way. But although celibacy so many, so many women
Speaker 5: are choosing themselves versus having sex and being in a
Speaker 5: relationship or not being in relationship and having sex, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Men, women.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's something that we're seeing a lot
Speaker 5: more of and people are being a lot more vocal
Speaker 5: about it instead of being like, oh, the last time I,
Speaker 5: you know, have gotten late or whatever was. It's like
Speaker 5: a very active approach to your sex life.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to be very honest here. Okay, I
Speaker 4: feel less mental clarity. If I am celibate.
Speaker 1: It is not for me, So you need you have
Speaker 1: a need for speed.
Speaker 4: I just feel like a better version of myself not celibate, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 5: I do think I mean, Simon, I'm curious your thoughts
Speaker 5: about this. Do you think that, like, how what percentage
Speaker 5: of people do you think are actively celibate right now
Speaker 5: in the world? My god, do you think that there
Speaker 5: is a large majority of people that are conscientiously thinking
Speaker 5: to themselves, I'm purposefully not having sex. Because what Maya
Speaker 5: was saying is that chat GPT Kirby.
Speaker 1: Oh please do please.
Speaker 5: I don't have a computer, so you have to do it.
Speaker 5: I would love to know, Okay.
Speaker 4: According to a twenty twenty one General Social Survey, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know how Actually that is.
Speaker 4: But more than a quarter of Americans over eighteen haven't
Speaker 4: had sex in the past year.
Speaker 5: But is that a concerted effort, So it's a thirty
Speaker 5: year high.
Speaker 4: It's a trend. It's called a sex recession, which we're
Speaker 4: definitely in.
Speaker 1: You're totally in one. And it's being driven by younger generations.
Speaker 3: Too, jen Z.
Speaker 5: But you're saying that they are actively not having sex
Speaker 5: on purpose, ye, not like they just have not found
Speaker 5: a partner.
Speaker 1: Men and women are different.
Speaker 4: Men, it's not it's not their choice, and women it
Speaker 4: is the choice.
Speaker 5: Okay, that makes sense to me. Yeah, that makes sense
Speaker 5: to me. Interesting, Yeah, fascinating. I like Maya's mindset and
Speaker 5: that her purpose for celibacy is that she's not putting
Speaker 5: any time constraints on herself to get married, to have children,
Speaker 5: to be in a relationship. She's not depending on another
Speaker 5: person for love, safety and needs that she may need
Speaker 5: to have met. Yes, and I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 5: I just got out of a very long term relationship and.
Speaker 1: How long eight years?
Speaker 5: Damn very long. I would consider it a marriage in
Speaker 5: a way. But the last thing on my mind right
Speaker 5: now is trying to find another person totally. But then
Speaker 5: also in the back of my head, there is this
Speaker 5: thing that Maya was talking about, like, Okay, I'm getting
Speaker 5: older if I want to get married and have children,
Speaker 5: like and I never used to have that, you know,
Speaker 5: ticking clock scenario in my head ever, not.
Speaker 1: Even from your Texas parents. No, it's amazing.
Speaker 5: My Texas parents were amazing and that they never pushed
Speaker 5: any of that on me.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And I did go to school in Texas and everybody
Speaker 5: got married right after college, so I never having that.
Speaker 1: I feel very blessed.
Speaker 5: But now I'm kind of like, Okay, I gotta maybe
Speaker 5: figure this out soon. But I like that Maya is like, no,
Speaker 5: by being celibate, I don't even have that's not even
Speaker 5: a factor. If it happens, great, but I'm not actively
Speaker 5: I'm promising myself I'm going to stay this way until
Speaker 5: I'm personally ready to commit.
Speaker 3: This is the definition of agency.
Speaker 2: So I I really celebrate this, and I also celebrate
Speaker 2: the idea of younger, more impressionable people growing up in
Speaker 2: today's world having an example like this just as an
Speaker 2: option to say, like, I don't need to be out
Speaker 2: there having sex with a lot of people. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I don't want to, because look look at
Speaker 2: you know, Lenny Kravitz and Maya. I actually think that
Speaker 2: that's really healthy, and I think it aligns with what
Speaker 2: we've been talking about, this fact that like younger generations
Speaker 2: are less interested in having these like casual hookups, and
Speaker 2: also totally gen Z viewers want to see less sex
Speaker 2: on screen too, which is interesting in such a big
Speaker 2: contrast from the environment that I grew up in in
Speaker 2: the nineties and two thousands.
Speaker 1: So I actually totally disagree.
Speaker 4: I feel that I love I agree with you in
Speaker 4: the agency department. I think that's beautiful. Seven years is
Speaker 4: a long time to me. That signals like something deeper
Speaker 4: is going on, because relationships, regardless of what they are,
Speaker 4: are like at the core of what it means to
Speaker 4: be a human being. And I think the sex recession
Speaker 4: actually speaks to something deeper and worse going on in
Speaker 4: our society. I think, like young kids don't know how
Speaker 4: to relate to one another, and they don't realize how
Speaker 4: important real intimacy is, not just like you know, going
Speaker 4: out and having sex with whoever, but intimacy.
Speaker 1: Is really important.
Speaker 4: And I really there's this great story it was in
Speaker 4: the New York Times years ago of this woman who
Speaker 4: got divorced and moved to India, went to an astrom
Speaker 4: lived there, ended up living there for twenty years and
Speaker 4: did a ton of work on herself, and at.
Speaker 1: The end of her time, she went to.
Speaker 4: Like the Master, the bood, I don't know, like what
Speaker 4: the phrase is, the Guru and said it's time for
Speaker 4: me to leave. And he said, well, why I've been
Speaker 4: waiting for you to come here and tell me that,
Speaker 4: And she said, because I've done all I can.
Speaker 1: Do on my own.
Speaker 4: In order to evolve to the next level, I need
Speaker 4: a mirror. And romantic relationships provide that mirror for you,
Speaker 4: like they stretch you in a way that nothing else can.
Speaker 4: And I feel like we shouldn't be poop pooing that.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: I I agree with you on a lot of points.
Speaker 5: I do think there is an intimacy issue in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four, for sure, and there's there's a lot of
Speaker 5: reasons for that, you know, lack of interpersonal skills, right,
Speaker 5: the pandemic anxiety.
Speaker 1: There are so many elements to that.
Speaker 5: And I also love that story about the woman because
Speaker 5: I think about that a lot. Where I used to
Speaker 5: be like, I'm fine, I'm misindependent, I'm good. I don't
Speaker 5: need a man. I don't even in my relationship. I
Speaker 5: was like, I'm so independent, I don't need you to
Speaker 5: do anything for me. And then slowly but surely you realize, no,
Speaker 5: you want the mirror. You want somebody to be there
Speaker 5: for you, to be a safe place for you that
Speaker 5: you where you can break down or you can you know,
Speaker 5: celebrate your wins and feel.
Speaker 1: Good about it. So I see both sides.
Speaker 5: But someone, I really loved what you said about agency
Speaker 5: because growing up, who did we have Britney Spears telling
Speaker 5: people she was waiting until she was gonna get married
Speaker 5: and yeah, and then you know, we know how those go.
Speaker 5: So I actually like this where it's like I'm a
Speaker 5: grown adult and I'm making this active decision and that's
Speaker 5: okay for people to look up to, versus trying to
Speaker 5: put upon impressionable teenagers like what they should or shouldn't
Speaker 5: be doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we're going to take a hard left
Speaker 2: turn here from celibacy to cheating okay, tanks, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So we came across this article in the cut with
Speaker 2: the headline this is a. This is a bomb drop
Speaker 2: right here. Is cheating okay if you end up with
Speaker 2: the love of your life?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3: Let's hear the details.
Speaker 2: So this article says there is one exception to cheating,
Speaker 2: and that's if and only if it leads you to
Speaker 2: finding the love of your life. And the writer comes
Speaker 2: with case studies. She's got the receipts. She points to
Speaker 2: Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson. Wait, what whom he fell
Speaker 2: for on the set of a movie while he was
Speaker 2: still married to his college sweetheart?
Speaker 3: Not America's Tom.
Speaker 4: Okay, I actually did there so many hit and Angelina
Speaker 4: more allegedly Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith.
Speaker 2: Allegedly Alicia Keys and Swiss beats Ma Shonda. Yes, also
Speaker 2: just to take a trip over the pond for a moment.
Speaker 2: Prince Charles and Queen Camilla marriage was a culmination of,
Speaker 2: obviously this decades long love affair between the two.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this is the big question of the day that
Speaker 2: we were going to end on. Lady Wow, is it
Speaker 2: okay to cheat if you find the love of your life?
Speaker 3: Kirby we the f.
Speaker 5: Actually the Prince Charles and Camilla comparison are example. I
Speaker 5: was telling my mom, because my mom is a diehard
Speaker 5: Royals fan, she's like Camilla.
Speaker 1: Like. Growing up, Camilla was not it. She was not
Speaker 1: the girl. She was the side chick. Yes, Okay.
Speaker 5: Then as I've gotten older and have you know, educated
Speaker 5: myself on the Royal family and all of that shananery,
Speaker 5: I realized they should have been together from the jump.
Speaker 5: Prince Charles and Camilla should have been together from the jump.
Speaker 5: It is so unfortunate that Diana got dragged into that mess.
Speaker 5: And that is not her fault. That is Prince Charles's fault.
Speaker 5: That is the family's fault. But he's still kicking it
Speaker 5: with Camilla. And I think about this all the time.
Speaker 5: And granted, if I had been cheated on, maybe I
Speaker 5: would think differently about this. I would probably the emotions
Speaker 5: of being cheated on would probably take over versus what
Speaker 5: I'm about to say. But if they do, I think
Speaker 5: about I'm not even kidding you, I think about this
Speaker 5: at least once a week. If you end up with
Speaker 5: the person you're supposed to actually be with, then you.
Speaker 1: Weren't supposed to be with that first person anyways.
Speaker 5: And that and that person wasn't supposed to be with you.
Speaker 4: Wait, so I want to I just want to make
Speaker 4: sure I understand. Please, both of you feel like it's
Speaker 4: not okay if you don't end up with the person,
Speaker 4: but it's all okay if you do end up with
Speaker 4: that person.
Speaker 2: Yes, And unfortunately there's no way to know if it
Speaker 2: is the right person, so there's going to be some
Speaker 2: collateral damage.
Speaker 3: I think it's important.
Speaker 2: To say I do not condone cheating, and I also
Speaker 2: think that in some cases it can lead you to
Speaker 2: being with the person that you were meant to be with.
Speaker 5: That's nuance, and that's what we love to see here.
Speaker 5: That's what we do here on the right side base
Speaker 5: its nuance.
Speaker 1: I totally agree.
Speaker 5: I also think there's a difference between being a serial
Speaker 5: cheater with randoms and not being able to be loyal
Speaker 5: to your partner when you go out at night, you know,
Speaker 5: with your friends, versus meeting someone and falling deeply in
Speaker 5: love with them and realizing this is actually the person
Speaker 5: I'm supposed to be with.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So my take on it is that Esther Perel says
Speaker 4: that cheating is the only thing that is universally practiced
Speaker 4: and universally condemned, and I agree with her. I also
Speaker 4: think this is actually part of feminism that we haven't
Speaker 4: totally discussed and uncovered yet in our society because it's
Speaker 4: so taboo.
Speaker 1: No one wants to talk.
Speaker 4: About cheating, okay, because nobody wants like the lights on them, right,
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to be thought of as a cheater cheating.
Speaker 4: In many ways, the accusation always goes to the woman.
Speaker 4: Even I said die chick earlier. That's a terrible term.
Speaker 4: There's no term for a side man, right. I don't
Speaker 4: like the idea of cheating. I've been cheated on. When
Speaker 4: I was twenty four, I cheated on my boyfriend.
Speaker 1: It's part of life. I think. I don't want to
Speaker 1: do it. I don't want to be in a marriage
Speaker 1: where I do it.
Speaker 4: I've made that decision, But you can't control other people
Speaker 4: teach their own. Yeah, Kirby, Okay, before you leave us today,
Speaker 4: I feel like we'd be remiss not to ask you
Speaker 4: because you're just such a wealth of knowledge. What's a
Speaker 4: beauty tip that your mama touched you all the way
Speaker 4: from Texas that you want to share with us?
Speaker 5: Oh my, oh, so my mom was a cosmatologist growing up,
Speaker 5: So I had a lot of beauty tips. But one
Speaker 5: thing I it's not necessarily tip, but she would always
Speaker 5: pick me up when I was little, put me, stand
Speaker 5: me on the counter, and make me look in the mirror,
Speaker 5: and she would say, who is that pretty girl? And
Speaker 5: I know, now, you're not supposed to, like tell kids
Speaker 5: that they're pretty or whatever.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be like you're so intelligent or whatever.
Speaker 1: You're neutrally and physically attractive.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think that lately I've actually been looking
Speaker 5: in the mirror, PA like, girl, you look good, Like
Speaker 5: you are doing good.
Speaker 1: You're doing the right things.
Speaker 5: You are surrounding yourself with the right people. You are
Speaker 5: doing some things right. And maybe something's wrong, but it's
Speaker 5: going to be okay. So I think that's probably the
Speaker 5: best thing that she ever did for me, is as
Speaker 5: telling myself to telling me it's okay to.
Speaker 1: Talk to yourself. Who's that pretty girl in the mirror?
Speaker 1: Who is that pretty girl in the mirror? I love that. Kirby,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for popping off with us. I
Speaker 1: adore you both. Thank you so much. This is so funny.
Speaker 4: Kirby Johnson is a producer, reporter and co host of
Speaker 4: the beloved Beauty podcast Los Angeles. Follow her on social
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm about to say.
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Speaker 4: And you know what's funny, Simone, Unlike you, I have cheated,
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