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Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey Bam.

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Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, we're popping off and dishing

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Speaker 2: on the biggest pop culture stories of the week with

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Speaker 2: Post producer and reporter Kirby Johnson, who you know from

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Speaker 2: the Pod Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, August second.

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Speaker 3: I'm Simone Voice.

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Speaker 4: I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from

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Speaker 4: Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to

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Speaker 4: share women's stories, to laugh, to learn, and brighten your day.

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Speaker 3: Danielle, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 1: What a great week we've had on the show. It

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Speaker 1: really was a great week.

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Speaker 4: I loved our interview yesterday with Andrea Joyce. Me too.

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Speaker 4: She loved her craft so much. I loved that about her.

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Speaker 4: I think she's part of the Golden Girls too. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 2: Today we're popping off about a TikTok trend that will

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Speaker 2: certainly raise or perhaps spread some eyebrows, plus a celebrity's

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Speaker 2: unconventional path to mental clarity, and the ultimate hot take.

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Speaker 2: It's cheat Day, y'all, a controversial think piece has us

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Speaker 2: wondering if it's ever okay to cheat on your partner.

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Speaker 4: But before we go all the way there, it's time

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Speaker 4: to spotlight our favorite Moment of the Week brought to

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Speaker 4: you by our friends at BMW who are making summer yours.

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Speaker 2: Summer makes me think of road trips, and that's exactly

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Speaker 2: what we want to spotlight this week, especially a road

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Speaker 2: trip in the BMWIX I four.

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Speaker 4: You're speaking my language, simone, because USA Today published this

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Speaker 4: list of top roadside attractions in the country, and they

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Speaker 4: are so kitchy and fun. There's one that really caught

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Speaker 4: my eye right away, and it's the Bonnie and Clyde

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Speaker 4: Ambush Museum in Gibbslan, Louisiana. Let me just give you

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Speaker 4: a little context. It's in the former mac Hanfield's Cafe,

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Speaker 4: which legend has it is where Bonnie and Clyde ate

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Speaker 4: their final meal right before they you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: So Bonnie a to BLT and Clyde ada fried Baloney sandwich.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever had a fried the Loney sandwich?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the BLT. But that location sounds really cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love feeling like I'm steeped in history while I'm

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Speaker 4: I love that you said that, because this is what

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Speaker 4: I think is really cool about it. The museum has

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Speaker 4: all of these artifacts, like some of their personal items,

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Speaker 4: even weapons, photographs like they have all the the newspaper clippings,

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Speaker 4: like all the headlines from that moment, And I think

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Speaker 4: it's really cool to see these artifacts up close. And

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Speaker 4: then also, I have to be honest with you, since

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Speaker 4: I'm in the car, I'm gonna drive to New Orleans

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Speaker 4: for a little bigne at Cafe Dumont. And if you

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Speaker 4: guys have heard of it, it's because it's the best

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Speaker 4: beignet place of all time.

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Speaker 2: You gotta eat them hot though yes you've been, of course, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you gotta eat them hot with all the powdered sugar

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Speaker 2: on top. It's so delicious, delish. Great choices, Danielle. I

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Speaker 2: saw both of those too. For my inspiration, I took

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Speaker 2: a peek at Timeout's Best US road.

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Speaker 1: Trip list Where we go Hell, my top choice.

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Speaker 3: Is abundantly clear.

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Speaker 2: I want to take a joy ride through the hairpin

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Speaker 2: turns of the road to Hanna in Maui, Hawaii. So

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Speaker 2: this ride through paradise connects Kahului to Hanna on the

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Speaker 2: island of Maui. We're talking about epic ocean cliffs, waterfalls,

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Speaker 2: fragrant tropical flowers. I mean, sign me up. What more

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Speaker 2: little dip in the ocean too, chef's kiss.

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Speaker 4: So wait, you're saying I'm going to Gibbsland and you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got time.

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Speaker 1: Can we switch road trips?

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Speaker 2: You're more than welcome to hop into my BMW and

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Speaker 2: do the road to Hanna with me.

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Speaker 1: Is this your first road trip or you do these?

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Speaker 3: I've done a lot of road trips.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite road trips was road tripping from

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Speaker 2: Florida to California the Southern route. So got to see

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Speaker 3: How about you?

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Speaker 4: I have taken quite a few road trips too. I've

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Speaker 4: taken some California to Utah. I've taken some down like

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Speaker 4: to tell you, was with my best friend from high school, Martina,

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Speaker 4: and junior year of high school, we begged her mom

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Speaker 4: would road trip to every Midwestern college.

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Speaker 1: We would go to Indiana to Michigan.

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Speaker 4: To Wisconsin, to Ohio State and we were telling our

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Speaker 4: visiting colleges. Really, we were just hanging out with our

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Speaker 1: We were sleeping like three in a bed in their.

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Speaker 4: Dorm room, going out every like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and

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Speaker 4: then driving home on Sunday and being like, hmm, maybe

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Speaker 4: we should go to college there.

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Speaker 3: Oh that sounds like so much fun.

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Speaker 1: I have the best memories from those road trips.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have a few more road trip ideas that

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Speaker 2: I want to run by you.

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Speaker 4: Oh you ready, Yes, You're seemed better than mine, so

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Speaker 4: I'm now very curious.

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Speaker 3: It's not a competition. Okay, they're all winners.

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Speaker 2: But for my first fantasy road trip idea, I'm thinking

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Speaker 2: East Coast will take Roote six from Providence, Rhode Island,

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Speaker 2: to Provincetown, Massachusetts, with pitstops in charming New England towns

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Speaker 2: along the way. Can't forget Cape Cod. I've always wanted

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Speaker 4: Yes, me too, and I've always wanted to go to

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Speaker 4: Rhode Island.

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, so we're agreed on that.

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Speaker 2: Yep, next one on the West Coast, I think we

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Speaker 2: can consider Utah West Coast sort of. Yeah, so I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking Utah's Scenic Byway twelve. We'll drive through Red Rock Arches,

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Speaker 2: scenic overlooks, views of the Henry Mountains, and then head

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Speaker 2: on over to Bryce Canyon too. There's also this thing

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Speaker 2: called the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument. And apparently there's

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Speaker 2: this amazing coffee shop called Kiva Coffeehouse where you can

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Speaker 2: have a cup of Joe with a view.

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Speaker 4: Simone, you had me at coffee, right, yes, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Finally, to round out our fantasy road trip list, we're

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Speaker 2: heading up north go into the Sun Road in Montana's

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Speaker 2: Glacier National Park. At an elevation over sixty five hundred feet.

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Speaker 2: We'll be able to take in all the wildflower meadows

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Speaker 2: and verdant valleys below Verdant Valleys going to the Sun Road,

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Speaker 2: it just makes so much sense for the bright side.

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Speaker 4: I just want everybody to know that Simona's a beautiful vocabulary.

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Speaker 4: I don't always know the words she's using. Verdant is

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Speaker 4: one of them. She recently taught me. It means greenery, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just like the way verdant valley sounds.

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Speaker 4: Verdant valleys. Well, you sold me, I'm in. I also

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Speaker 4: love Montana. If we're there, can we kind of drive

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Speaker 4: to Big Sky and see God's Country and hike a

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Speaker 4: little bit totally. I got my cowboy boots ready, Simon.

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Speaker 4: I know we have like a daily show to do,

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Speaker 4: but I'm thinking we should just hop in the car.

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Speaker 3: Let's go. What are we doing here in this stuffy studio.

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Speaker 1: It's summer.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: There are many ways to spend your summer, but only

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Let's go is right, because it's time to pop off, y'all.

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Speaker 2: And today we're joined by a true beauty guru, Kirby Johnson.

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Speaker 2: She is our go to girl for skincare, for makeup trends,

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Speaker 2: for celebrity content. I mean, you name it, she knows it.

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Speaker 2: Kirby first started reporting for Pop Sugar back in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 2: and her work has been seen in publications like The Cut,

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Speaker 2: Glamour and The Hollywood Reporter and now The bright Side.

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Speaker 4: She's interviewed some of the biggest names in Hollywood, Jennifer Aniston,

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Speaker 4: Viola Davis, Ariana Grande, Mariah Carrie, and now she's the

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Speaker 4: co host of the very popular Gloss Angeles podcast. I

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Speaker 4: love listening, Kirby, Welcome to the bright Side.

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Speaker 5: Thank you both. It is crazy too. I mean I

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Speaker 5: know both of you, but hearing your voices in my

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Speaker 5: getting ready in the morning, it's pretty major.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really excited to be here. You can't escape us,

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Speaker 1: hik I really can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't. Can I just.

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Speaker 1: First say, Los Angeles. God, that's such a good name.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: It's such a good credit to my co host, Sarah Tan.

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Speaker 5: We had a different name. It was originally reporting for

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Speaker 5: Beauty because we're both beauty editors.

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Speaker 3: Reporting for duty. Yeah, and then.

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Speaker 5: We love a good play onwards it was taken. The

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Speaker 5: domain name was taken, and we said, okay, we got

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Speaker 5: to rethink, and then she just said, what about gloss Angelus.

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Speaker 4: I actually think it was meant to be. It's so elevated,

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Speaker 4: it's so great.

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Speaker 1: We love it.

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Speaker 2: I love a good name, like I just really appreciate

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Speaker 5: And we call our listeners glam Jelino's instead of Angelina.

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Speaker 1: It's so cute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing that I find super interesting about you, Kirby.

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Speaker 1: We met tell me, well, we.

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Speaker 4: Met on red carpets early on in both of our careers.

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Speaker 4: We were interviewing people at the very ends of the

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Speaker 1: I know what that section of the carpet is like,

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's like where all the hooligans are, and we're like,

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Speaker 5: we're all trying so hard, but we're also like nobody

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Speaker 5: cares about us, so we can really get away With

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Speaker 5: Tom Cruse, this is the only one who will He'll

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Speaker 5: bypass everyone and just come over. And you're like, this

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Speaker 5: was a gift, thank god, thank you.

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Speaker 4: But we were doing entertainment, yeah, and then you saw

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Speaker 4: something that was available that wasn't being covered in the

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Speaker 4: way that you wanted to cover it, and that was beauty.

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Speaker 4: And so you took your knowledge of entertainment and started

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Speaker 4: this cross section of beauty reporting and you've really become

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Speaker 4: the go to person on the Internet and for a

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm very fascinated with anything behind the scenes. I

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Speaker 5: grew up in Texas, That's where my family is, and

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Speaker 5: my goal, I think since second grade, was to move

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Speaker 5: to Hollywood. Like you know when they have those little

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Speaker 5: posters that you make that say where do you want

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Speaker 1: What do you want to do? It was literally me drawing.

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Speaker 5: A picture of the Hollywood Hills with the Hollywood sign,

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Speaker 5: Like I knew I wanted to be here, And I

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Speaker 5: was always fascinated not just with the glitz and the

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Speaker 5: Made making these people look like this, Like Cameron Diaz,

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Speaker 5: like how did she get her hair, you know, up

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Speaker 5: and gelled like that? And something about Mary like what

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 1: Like I couldn't product was yeah, what was it?

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Speaker 5: And then reading magazines like a Lore where they were

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Speaker 5: Okay, there's major, major beauty news this week. May am

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Speaker 5: Eight products, shampoos, a styling product, a moose hair masks.

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Speaker 4: Okay, how important is mental clarity do you guys? Very

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Speaker 4: right now? Feeling it me too. So it let her

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Speaker 4: take a step back and refocus. And here's the thing

442
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Speaker 4: that's interesting to me. She's not alone Lenny Kravitz, Julia Fox,

443
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Speaker 4: all celebrities that have come out recently calling it this

444
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Speaker 4: spiritual thing. The one thing I will say about this

445
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Speaker 4: is that I'm confused between celibacy and abstinence because I

446
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Speaker 4: think celibacy has a religious connotation. So I'm not sure

447
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Speaker 4: if it's abstinence or celibacy. But either way, they're not

448
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Speaker 4: having sex. Okay, that's because perhaps it's my Texas roots.

449
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 4: But abstinence has a religious connotation for me. Yes, interesting

450
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Speaker 4: because it was you are abstinate until marriage.

451
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Speaker 1: That was what I was taught growing up. Interesting.

452
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Speaker 2: I always think of abstinence as the period before you

453
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Speaker 2: have sex yep. And then celibacy is when you after

454
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Speaker 2: take a conscious pause.

455
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Speaker 5: Maybe it's both, maybe they're both kind of religious in

456
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Speaker 5: a way. But although celibacy so many, so many women

457
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 5: are choosing themselves versus having sex and being in a

458
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Speaker 5: relationship or not being in relationship and having sex, you

459
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Speaker 5: know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Men, women.

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Speaker 5: I think it's it's something that we're seeing a lot

462
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Speaker 5: more of and people are being a lot more vocal

463
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Speaker 5: about it instead of being like, oh, the last time I,

464
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 5: you know, have gotten late or whatever was. It's like

465
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Speaker 5: a very active approach to your sex life.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to be very honest here. Okay, I

467
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 4: feel less mental clarity. If I am celibate.

468
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Speaker 1: It is not for me, So you need you have

469
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Speaker 1: a need for speed.

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Speaker 4: I just feel like a better version of myself not celibate, Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 5: I do think I mean, Simon, I'm curious your thoughts

472
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Speaker 5: about this. Do you think that, like, how what percentage

473
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Speaker 5: of people do you think are actively celibate right now

474
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Speaker 5: in the world? My god, do you think that there

475
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Speaker 5: is a large majority of people that are conscientiously thinking

476
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Speaker 5: to themselves, I'm purposefully not having sex. Because what Maya

477
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Speaker 5: was saying is that chat GPT Kirby.

478
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Speaker 1: Oh please do please.

479
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Speaker 5: I don't have a computer, so you have to do it.

480
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Speaker 5: I would love to know, Okay.

481
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Speaker 4: According to a twenty twenty one General Social Survey, I don't.

482
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Speaker 1: Know how Actually that is.

483
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Speaker 4: But more than a quarter of Americans over eighteen haven't

484
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Speaker 4: had sex in the past year.

485
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Speaker 5: But is that a concerted effort, So it's a thirty

486
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Speaker 5: year high.

487
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Speaker 4: It's a trend. It's called a sex recession, which we're

488
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Speaker 4: definitely in.

489
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Speaker 1: You're totally in one. And it's being driven by younger generations.

490
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Speaker 3: Too, jen Z.

491
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Speaker 5: But you're saying that they are actively not having sex

492
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Speaker 5: on purpose, ye, not like they just have not found

493
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Speaker 5: a partner.

494
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Speaker 1: Men and women are different.

495
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Speaker 4: Men, it's not it's not their choice, and women it

496
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Speaker 4: is the choice.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that makes sense to me. Yeah, that makes sense

498
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Speaker 5: to me. Interesting, Yeah, fascinating. I like Maya's mindset and

499
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Speaker 5: that her purpose for celibacy is that she's not putting

500
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Speaker 5: any time constraints on herself to get married, to have children,

501
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Speaker 5: to be in a relationship. She's not depending on another

502
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Speaker 5: person for love, safety and needs that she may need

503
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Speaker 5: to have met. Yes, and I think that's a good thing.

504
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Speaker 5: I just got out of a very long term relationship and.

505
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Speaker 1: How long eight years?

506
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Speaker 5: Damn very long. I would consider it a marriage in

507
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Speaker 5: a way. But the last thing on my mind right

508
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 5: now is trying to find another person totally. But then

509
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 5: also in the back of my head, there is this

510
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 5: thing that Maya was talking about, like, Okay, I'm getting

511
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Speaker 5: older if I want to get married and have children,

512
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Speaker 5: like and I never used to have that, you know,

513
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Speaker 5: ticking clock scenario in my head ever, not.

514
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Speaker 1: Even from your Texas parents. No, it's amazing.

515
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 5: My Texas parents were amazing and that they never pushed

516
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Speaker 5: any of that on me.

517
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Speaker 1: Wow.

518
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Speaker 5: And I did go to school in Texas and everybody

519
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Speaker 5: got married right after college, so I never having that.

520
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Speaker 1: I feel very blessed.

521
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Speaker 5: But now I'm kind of like, Okay, I gotta maybe

522
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Speaker 5: figure this out soon. But I like that Maya is like, no,

523
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Speaker 5: by being celibate, I don't even have that's not even

524
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Speaker 5: a factor. If it happens, great, but I'm not actively

525
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Speaker 5: I'm promising myself I'm going to stay this way until

526
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Speaker 5: I'm personally ready to commit.

527
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Speaker 3: This is the definition of agency.

528
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Speaker 2: So I I really celebrate this, and I also celebrate

529
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Speaker 2: the idea of younger, more impressionable people growing up in

530
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Speaker 2: today's world having an example like this just as an

531
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Speaker 2: option to say, like, I don't need to be out

532
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: there having sex with a lot of people. I don't

533
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Speaker 2: know if I don't want to, because look look at

534
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: you know, Lenny Kravitz and Maya. I actually think that

535
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 2: that's really healthy, and I think it aligns with what

536
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: we've been talking about, this fact that like younger generations

537
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: are less interested in having these like casual hookups, and

538
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: also totally gen Z viewers want to see less sex

539
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: on screen too, which is interesting in such a big

540
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Speaker 2: contrast from the environment that I grew up in in

541
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Speaker 2: the nineties and two thousands.

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Speaker 1: So I actually totally disagree.

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Speaker 4: I feel that I love I agree with you in

544
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Speaker 4: the agency department. I think that's beautiful. Seven years is

545
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 4: a long time to me. That signals like something deeper

546
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 4: is going on, because relationships, regardless of what they are,

547
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 4: are like at the core of what it means to

548
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Speaker 4: be a human being. And I think the sex recession

549
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Speaker 4: actually speaks to something deeper and worse going on in

550
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Speaker 4: our society. I think, like young kids don't know how

551
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: to relate to one another, and they don't realize how

552
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Speaker 4: important real intimacy is, not just like you know, going

553
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 4: out and having sex with whoever, but intimacy.

554
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Speaker 1: Is really important.

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Speaker 4: And I really there's this great story it was in

556
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Speaker 4: the New York Times years ago of this woman who

557
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 4: got divorced and moved to India, went to an astrom

558
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Speaker 4: lived there, ended up living there for twenty years and

559
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 4: did a ton of work on herself, and at.

560
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Speaker 1: The end of her time, she went to.

561
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Speaker 4: Like the Master, the bood, I don't know, like what

562
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 4: the phrase is, the Guru and said it's time for

563
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Speaker 4: me to leave. And he said, well, why I've been

564
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 4: waiting for you to come here and tell me that,

565
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Speaker 4: And she said, because I've done all I can.

566
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Speaker 1: Do on my own.

567
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Speaker 4: In order to evolve to the next level, I need

568
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Speaker 4: a mirror. And romantic relationships provide that mirror for you,

569
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Speaker 4: like they stretch you in a way that nothing else can.

570
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Speaker 4: And I feel like we shouldn't be poop pooing that.

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00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.

572
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Speaker 5: I I agree with you on a lot of points.

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Speaker 5: I do think there is an intimacy issue in twenty

574
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Speaker 5: twenty four, for sure, and there's there's a lot of

575
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 5: reasons for that, you know, lack of interpersonal skills, right,

576
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 5: the pandemic anxiety.

577
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Speaker 1: There are so many elements to that.

578
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Speaker 5: And I also love that story about the woman because

579
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 5: I think about that a lot. Where I used to

580
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Speaker 5: be like, I'm fine, I'm misindependent, I'm good. I don't

581
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 5: need a man. I don't even in my relationship. I

582
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 5: was like, I'm so independent, I don't need you to

583
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 5: do anything for me. And then slowly but surely you realize, no,

584
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 5: you want the mirror. You want somebody to be there

585
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 5: for you, to be a safe place for you that

586
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 5: you where you can break down or you can you know,

587
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 5: celebrate your wins and feel.

588
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Good about it. So I see both sides.

589
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Speaker 5: But someone, I really loved what you said about agency

590
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Speaker 5: because growing up, who did we have Britney Spears telling

591
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 5: people she was waiting until she was gonna get married

592
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 5: and yeah, and then you know, we know how those go.

593
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 5: So I actually like this where it's like I'm a

594
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Speaker 5: grown adult and I'm making this active decision and that's

595
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 5: okay for people to look up to, versus trying to

596
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 5: put upon impressionable teenagers like what they should or shouldn't

597
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 5: be doing.

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00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we're going to take a hard left

599
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: turn here from celibacy to cheating okay, tanks, okay, okay.

600
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: So we came across this article in the cut with

601
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: the headline this is a. This is a bomb drop

602
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: right here. Is cheating okay if you end up with

603
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Speaker 2: the love of your life?

604
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love Okay, Okay.

605
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: Let's hear the details.

606
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: So this article says there is one exception to cheating,

607
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: and that's if and only if it leads you to

608
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: finding the love of your life. And the writer comes

609
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: with case studies. She's got the receipts. She points to

610
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson. Wait, what whom he fell

611
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: for on the set of a movie while he was

612
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: still married to his college sweetheart?

613
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: Not America's Tom.

614
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 4: Okay, I actually did there so many hit and Angelina

615
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: more allegedly Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith.

616
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: Allegedly Alicia Keys and Swiss beats Ma Shonda. Yes, also

617
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: just to take a trip over the pond for a moment.

618
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: Prince Charles and Queen Camilla marriage was a culmination of,

619
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: obviously this decades long love affair between the two.

620
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

621
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Speaker 2: So this is the big question of the day that

622
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Speaker 2: we were going to end on. Lady Wow, is it

623
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: okay to cheat if you find the love of your life?

624
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: Kirby we the f.

625
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 5: Actually the Prince Charles and Camilla comparison are example. I

626
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 5: was telling my mom, because my mom is a diehard

627
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 5: Royals fan, she's like Camilla.

628
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: Like. Growing up, Camilla was not it. She was not

629
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: the girl. She was the side chick. Yes, Okay.

630
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 5: Then as I've gotten older and have you know, educated

631
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 5: myself on the Royal family and all of that shananery,

632
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 5: I realized they should have been together from the jump.

633
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 5: Prince Charles and Camilla should have been together from the jump.

634
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 5: It is so unfortunate that Diana got dragged into that mess.

635
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 5: And that is not her fault. That is Prince Charles's fault.

636
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 5: That is the family's fault. But he's still kicking it

637
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 5: with Camilla. And I think about this all the time.

638
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 5: And granted, if I had been cheated on, maybe I

639
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 5: would think differently about this. I would probably the emotions

640
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 5: of being cheated on would probably take over versus what

641
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 5: I'm about to say. But if they do, I think

642
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 5: about I'm not even kidding you, I think about this

643
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 5: at least once a week. If you end up with

644
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Speaker 5: the person you're supposed to actually be with, then you.

645
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: Weren't supposed to be with that first person anyways.

646
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 5: And that and that person wasn't supposed to be with you.

647
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Speaker 4: Wait, so I want to I just want to make

648
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Speaker 4: sure I understand. Please, both of you feel like it's

649
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 4: not okay if you don't end up with the person,

650
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 4: but it's all okay if you do end up with

651
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 4: that person.

652
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: Yes, And unfortunately there's no way to know if it

653
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: is the right person, so there's going to be some

654
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: collateral damage.

655
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Speaker 3: I think it's important.

656
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: To say I do not condone cheating, and I also

657
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: think that in some cases it can lead you to

658
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: being with the person that you were meant to be with.

659
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 5: That's nuance, and that's what we love to see here.

660
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 5: That's what we do here on the right side base

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Speaker 5: its nuance.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree.

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Speaker 5: I also think there's a difference between being a serial

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Speaker 5: cheater with randoms and not being able to be loyal

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Speaker 5: to your partner when you go out at night, you know,

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Speaker 5: with your friends, versus meeting someone and falling deeply in

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Speaker 5: love with them and realizing this is actually the person

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Speaker 5: I'm supposed to be with.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So my take on it is that Esther Perel says

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Speaker 4: that cheating is the only thing that is universally practiced

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Speaker 4: and universally condemned, and I agree with her. I also

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Speaker 4: think this is actually part of feminism that we haven't

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Speaker 4: totally discussed and uncovered yet in our society because it's

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Speaker 4: so taboo.

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Speaker 1: No one wants to talk.

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Speaker 4: About cheating, okay, because nobody wants like the lights on them, right,

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Speaker 4: Nobody wants to be thought of as a cheater cheating.

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Speaker 4: In many ways, the accusation always goes to the woman.

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Speaker 4: Even I said die chick earlier. That's a terrible term.

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Speaker 4: There's no term for a side man, right. I don't

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Speaker 4: like the idea of cheating. I've been cheated on. When

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Speaker 4: I was twenty four, I cheated on my boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: It's part of life. I think. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: do it. I don't want to be in a marriage

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Speaker 1: where I do it.

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Speaker 4: I've made that decision, But you can't control other people

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Speaker 4: teach their own. Yeah, Kirby, Okay, before you leave us today,

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Speaker 4: I feel like we'd be remiss not to ask you

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Speaker 4: because you're just such a wealth of knowledge. What's a

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Speaker 4: beauty tip that your mama touched you all the way

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Speaker 4: from Texas that you want to share with us?

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Speaker 5: Oh my, oh, so my mom was a cosmatologist growing up,

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Speaker 5: So I had a lot of beauty tips. But one

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Speaker 5: thing I it's not necessarily tip, but she would always

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Speaker 5: pick me up when I was little, put me, stand

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Speaker 5: me on the counter, and make me look in the mirror,

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Speaker 5: and she would say, who is that pretty girl? And

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Speaker 5: I know, now, you're not supposed to, like tell kids

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Speaker 5: that they're pretty or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You're supposed to be like you're so intelligent or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You're neutrally and physically attractive.

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Speaker 4: Ye.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think that lately I've actually been looking

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Speaker 5: in the mirror, PA like, girl, you look good, Like

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Speaker 5: you are doing good.

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Speaker 1: You're doing the right things.

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Speaker 5: You are surrounding yourself with the right people. You are

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Speaker 5: doing some things right. And maybe something's wrong, but it's

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Speaker 5: going to be okay. So I think that's probably the

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Speaker 5: best thing that she ever did for me, is as

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Speaker 5: telling myself to telling me it's okay to.

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Speaker 1: Talk to yourself. Who's that pretty girl in the mirror?

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Speaker 1: Who is that pretty girl in the mirror? I love that. Kirby,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for popping off with us. I

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Speaker 1: adore you both. Thank you so much. This is so funny.

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Speaker 4: Kirby Johnson is a producer, reporter and co host of

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Speaker 4: the beloved Beauty podcast Los Angeles. Follow her on social

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Speaker 4: at Kirby Johnson to check out her latest project, The

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Speaker 4: powder Room. We have to take a quick break. Stick

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Speaker 4: with us. Welcome back, Simone. We're kicking off something new today.

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Speaker 4: It's called What's in Your Cart? Sponsored by Walmart. So

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Speaker 4: each Friday, we're shouting out either a favorite product that

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Speaker 4: is a staple of ours or something new that we'd

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Speaker 4: love to try.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Danielle, you're on a desert island. You're stranded. You

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Speaker 2: can only take one makeup product with you. What's it

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Speaker 2: going to be?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm about to say.

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Speaker 4: My favorite mascara of all time is well documented on

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Speaker 4: this show. It is the Lareel Paris Waterproof mascara in black.

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Speaker 1: This is a.

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Speaker 2: Tried and true makeup girly class. I've probably been using

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Speaker 2: it for like fifteen years and I never stray. I

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Speaker 2: never cheat on her because Lareel Paris Waterproof mescaren black

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Speaker 2: is my girl. Because I hate when mascara gets all

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Speaker 2: clumpy and my eyes stick together. This is not that

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Speaker 2: you're gonna get that clean finish every single time. And

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Speaker 2: with the weather being extremely hot this summer, one hundred

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Speaker 2: plus degrees outside. I am not here for a smudging

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Speaker 2: or running down my face moment, right. I need it

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Speaker 2: to last until we're done with the podcast every single day,

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Speaker 2: you know, like I don't need to look down at

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Speaker 2: myself at five pm and say where did my eyelashes go?

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Speaker 1: But I also want that voluminous lash.

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Speaker 4: And you know what's funny, Simone, Unlike you, I have cheated,

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Speaker 4: I've strayed, I've tried all the designer mascara's, and I

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Speaker 4: always come back to this, loriel One. So that's it

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Speaker 4: for today's show, thanks to our partners at Walmart.

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Speaker 1: On Monday, Golden Globe.

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Speaker 4: Winning actress and singer Kayala Settle is gearing up for

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Speaker 4: the release of Wicked, and she's stopping by to discuss

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Speaker 4: what success means to her now. The bright Side is

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Speaker 4: a production of Hello, Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts, and is

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Speaker 4: executive produced by Reese Witherspoon.

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Speaker 2: Production by Arcana Audio. Courtney Gilbert is our associate producer.

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Speaker 2: Jessica Wank is our producer. Our senior producers are Janis Yamoka,

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Speaker 2: Itzsi Kintania and Amy Padula.

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Speaker 1: Our engineer is PJ. Shahamat.

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Speaker 4: Arcana's executive producers are Francis Harlowe and Abby Ruzika. Arcana's

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Speaker 4: head of production is Matt Schultz.

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Speaker 2: Natalie Tulup and Maureen Polo are the executive producers for

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Speaker 2: Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 4: Julia Weaver is the supervising producer, and Ali Perry is

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Speaker 4: the executive producer. For iHeart Podcasts, Tim Palazzola is our showrunner.

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Speaker 4: This week's episodes were recorded by Graham Gibson, Carl Catel,

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Speaker 4: Jessica Crinchitch, and Bahied Fraser.

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Speaker 3: Our theme song is by Anna Stump and Hamilton.

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Speaker 4: Lighthauser special thanks to Connell Burn and Will Pearson. Listen

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Speaker 4: and follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 4: or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: I'm Simone Voice.

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Speaker 2: You can find me at simone Voice on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 4: I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 1: That's r O b A. Y See you Monday. Keep

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Speaker 1: looking on the bright side, y'all.