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Speaker 1: Hello, Gorgeous. It's La La Kent. Welcome to Untraditionally, La La. Hello, Gorgeous,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Untraditionally, La La. I am back not so

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Speaker 1: better than ever. Hi Amber, Hi Loala. This is so

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Speaker 1: exciting because we finally get to talk about the project

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Speaker 1: we've been working on.

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Speaker 2: Finally.

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Speaker 1: Yay. You guys know that I had Amber on the

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Speaker 1: first episode of Untraditionally Lala, and we had been going

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Speaker 1: back and forth about doing something in some capacity together

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Speaker 1: for I want to say, like four years. Yeah, probably right,

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Speaker 1: it's been a minute, and finally it was the right

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Speaker 1: time and our new podcast, An Unlikely Affair, is officially happening.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited about this.

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Speaker 2: I know so might.

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Speaker 1: What made you feel like it was like the right

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Speaker 1: time for us to do something like this?

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Speaker 2: You know, I think what we said on the previous

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Speaker 2: podcast is that we were both like it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like a marriage, like one wants to leave and one

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Speaker 2: wants it to stay, and one the other one wants

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Speaker 2: to leave it. So and I think you and I

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Speaker 2: were just in different parts and healing parts of our life.

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Speaker 2: And for me, I mean, I'll just speak on for myself.

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Speaker 2: Is like now I could finally talk from a place

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Speaker 2: of healing not hurt, because you know, obviously, everything that

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Speaker 2: I've been through in my life with you, with my family,

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Speaker 2: it's sometimes it can really stir up a lot of

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Speaker 2: emotions and that those emotions are shame, anger. And it

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that like I don't get there, because there

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Speaker 2: are definitely days and you know this because I call

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Speaker 2: now is the time that like we could go out

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Speaker 2: and help other women who've experienced or are going through

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Speaker 2: something very similar like you and I have.

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Speaker 1: I fully agree with that. And there are so many

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Speaker 1: moments where I feel like I'm over something, whether it

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Speaker 1: has to do with friendships, certain relationships that I've been

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Speaker 1: in my past, where you do come from a place

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Speaker 1: of anger and shame and if you start looping. And

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Speaker 1: I'm so proud of the progress that I've made in

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Speaker 1: so many of those moments where it's like, wow, I

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Speaker 1: can sit here and I can think about every detail

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Speaker 1: of my past and not feel any of those things.

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Speaker 1: And I'm excited for us to talk about the light

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Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel, because when you're in

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Speaker 1: it I know so many people who are like, this

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Speaker 1: is my life forever and how am I ever going

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Speaker 1: to recover from this sort of anger and shame? Especially

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Speaker 1: with the holidays coming up, it's like a very isolating time.

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Speaker 1: If you have to co parent, that is a fucking nightmare.

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Speaker 1: By the way, are you in it or are what's

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Speaker 1: the deal with that? I'm figuring it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm figuring it out. I'm like a big mush

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Speaker 2: fall during the holidays And what do you mean? The

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Speaker 2: holidays are just really special for.

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Speaker 1: Me, Like I get depressed. I do.

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Speaker 2: I do get depressed, and I think I get more depressed,

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Speaker 2: like the day after Christmas. And I've always been this week,

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Speaker 2: especially as a kid, because it was like my family

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Speaker 2: would have a halftime and so I gave my kids

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Speaker 2: that with you know who, and it was beautiful. But

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Speaker 2: now it's like now when you have to split that

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Speaker 2: the holidays just never feel the same after you get divorced.

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Speaker 1: Ever ever, you know, I with the person we have

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Speaker 1: in common, I just remember every single moment, whether it

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Speaker 2: Like, get through the Christmas present as fast as possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've never experienced a holiday in a relationship

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Speaker 1: with a child, you know, Ocean's always been split for everything, which.

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Speaker 2: Is good because she'll know the difference. Yeah, she'll or

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Speaker 2: she won't know the difference. She won't know the different difference.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the difference, yeah, because I have nothing.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was around your kids on you know, Christmas,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a whole nother yeah, ball game, but he

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Speaker 1: But I love that, Like, oh, Ocean is now looking

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Speaker 2: I know, but you know what you just have to

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Speaker 2: I think the most important thing that you should do

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Speaker 2: had all the all of the resources and books that

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Speaker 2: I understand how that could be really hard, Like you

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Speaker 2: you'll be fine. You know, we'll see you whenever you

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Speaker 2: tell me how, like that must feel really hard or

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Speaker 2: that must make you sad? Does that make you sad?

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Speaker 1: Totally? You know, Ocean's really good at pinpointing her emotions and.

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Speaker 2: If she's anything like London.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes she is. Do you think that like when

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Speaker 1: you see Ocean? I know she's only four and a half.

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Speaker 1: Do you see similarities in our kids? Oh yeah, oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see a huge similarity between London and Ocean.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and what are those similarities?

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Speaker 2: Super talkative, like very verbal, like just says it how

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Speaker 2: just like, oh my god, I cannot point. My fucking

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Speaker 2: I see the biggest now with Riley and Ocean, I haven't.

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Speaker 2: Like I see Riley's taking on such a mommy roll

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Speaker 1: But I think Ocean looks like you really, Yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: like they both maybe they maybe they are, maybe they

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Speaker 2: Maybe you know it's funny you posted something on I

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Speaker 1: Really, okay, can I tell you you are not the

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Speaker 1: Really No, It's something that I posted recently, yere I

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Speaker 2: Had to like stop it and go, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: Wow. I could be making this up in my head,

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Speaker 1: but I do feel like Ocean is starting to look

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Speaker 1: that he's participated in the making of Ocean, but I

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Speaker 2: I think her personality is more like you.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, I'm going toes with I lied to you.

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Speaker 1: She's very much like me. However, she's a lot like him,

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Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck, leave me the fuck alone,

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Speaker 2: My god, relentless, relentless.

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Speaker 1: It's exhausting. I will look at her. We were in

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Speaker 1: toes with you today. Make mommy's life easy today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: mommy's life is gonna be easy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Are we gonna have a good day or bad day? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: She's like, I know, mom, but I just wanted to know.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I've said it five fucking times no,

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Speaker 1: and then you want to know what happens. I give

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Speaker 1: a battle. I just the beach. I know, I am.

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Speaker 1: Did you have fun in Hawaii at the best time? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 2: Your ass looked a really good in some of those photos.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I was like, damn, okay, a lot

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Speaker 1: of you do nothing popping it the right way? Are

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Speaker 1: you joking what? Everyone's like, Oh my god, you're bounce back.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, yes, but at the same time, angles, yes,

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Speaker 1: angles and lighting, lighting, editing, you know, yeah, but you

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Speaker 1: you've seen my naked body before. Yeah, I'm a naked lady.

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Speaker 2: Naked body a lot, front, back, inside, all of it.

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Speaker 2: But we don't need to go there. That was like

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Speaker 2: six seven years ago.

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Speaker 1: Oh Amber, why would you do that?

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Speaker 2: I just I couldn't you open the door.

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Speaker 1: You opened the door literally, Yeah on the phone? What

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Speaker 1: are you talking? Oh my god, I want to throw up.

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Speaker 1: No one knows this story.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, well, then let's save it for later. Then,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I feel like this is a good

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Speaker 2: New Year's story.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is a good first episode of

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Speaker 1: an unlikely affair story. Yeah, how do you feel like

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Speaker 1: I know each other, is going to react.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not doing this for anyone but us and

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Speaker 2: women out in the world and mothers out in the world.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: It's this is this is our thing. I agree with that,

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Speaker 2: and I don't need permission anymore in my life. I'm

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Speaker 2: arrived at a very different phase, and you know, a

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Speaker 2: lot has to do with just time and healing and

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Speaker 2: forgiveness and sobriety and removing and you know what, I'm

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Speaker 2: fucking I don't give a fuck.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I love that you just said that,

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Speaker 1: because there were many moments that you and I would

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Speaker 1: place of fear. Yeah, because I was.

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Speaker 2: I was, I had the hands around my you, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: in a big way, and I just I can't. I'm

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Speaker 2: not living my life anymore. Like you know, I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm just at a different phase of my life. Like

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Speaker 2: I said before, It's like I'm talking from a place

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Speaker 2: of healing and compassion and experience and what you and

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Speaker 2: I went through. And still I'm still in the shit.

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Speaker 2: You know, I have an almost sixteen year old and

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Speaker 2: a twelve year old. I'm in a really tough spot

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Speaker 2: when it comes to co parenting teenage daughters.

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Speaker 1: Right, It's hard. Yeah, No, I can't. I can't imagine.

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Speaker 2: Good, you know what, Thank you. I'm gonna call Lisa

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Speaker 1: You don't have to twist my arm. It was beautiful Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Stursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

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Speaker 2: If I fully believe that that is true, Like, like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that, and I love you and I'm

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Speaker 1: next week, and remember an unlikely affair with Lalakhent and

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Speaker 1: Amber Childers is coming your way. Love y'all. Bye,