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Speaker 1: dan excited to be here with you all today because

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Speaker 1: we have an extra fun, very special episode of Happy

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Speaker 1: Hour coming up. I feel like this is the episode

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Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this that we have

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Speaker 1: started this season, and we've talked to a lot of

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Speaker 1: wonderful people, but it was time to bring the Queen's

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Speaker 1: Gabby and Rachel on, and so that is who we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking with today and I cannot be more excited.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I cannot wait. Just like all of

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Speaker 1: our listeners, I have also been asking our team when

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Speaker 1: we can get these two women on because I know

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Speaker 1: their schedules are absolutely crazy. They need a break from

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Speaker 1: bringing them on right away. We obviously usually do recaps,

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Speaker 1: women of the and here to give us all the

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, just have the ultimate girl chat. So Michelle,

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Speaker 1: let's just skip everything and bring on Gabby and Rachel

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Speaker 1: right now. Let's go Welcome to Bachelor Happy. We're Rachel

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Speaker 1: and Gabby. We are so excited to have you both.

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Speaker 1: We've been asking about you both for weeks. I know

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Speaker 1: that your schedules are crazy busy, so welcome. We're so excited.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time where we've had four official

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Speaker 1: take a photo of all of us. But how are

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Speaker 1: you both doing good? It's been crazy and you know,

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Speaker 1: are you feeling about everything? Because you know, going through

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Speaker 1: It's like I feel like watching it back is still

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Speaker 1: Like every single time you think about we've talked about this, Becca,

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Speaker 1: over again. Everyone, what do you say? Rachel having for

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Speaker 1: hadn't you You don't know your mannerisms and your tikes

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Speaker 1: until you like watch it back, like I had no

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Speaker 1: You got to find those moments when you're not miked up,

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Speaker 1: It would have been nice to have two batcherettes on

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Speaker 1: That's what I've been loving about watching you two together.

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Speaker 1: It's you can It's very apparent when you're together, so

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Speaker 1: my gosh. With the producers of those, I can just

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Speaker 1: Even if it's off, I don't know if they'll show it.

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Speaker 1: They kind of teased it and one trailer, but when

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Speaker 1: she so she was like, let's tell the guys that

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Speaker 1: see like if we're interested in the other one or

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, being so serious, like not interested at all?

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Speaker 1: You know it's like, honestly, that sounds like how I'm like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: men through the ringers as I should. So before Michelle

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Speaker 1: just not how I am. And I told her, I

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Speaker 1: that breaking point, Like you've gotten through night one, you've

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Speaker 1: already started. Um when was that moment for both of you?

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Speaker 1: Dah mine no hide nit own it? Um yeah? Which same,

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Speaker 1: like it came way sooner. And that's what everyone said

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Speaker 1: to They're like everyone has their breaking point because you

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Speaker 1: I think everybody does, and even you didn't always not

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Speaker 1: So for me, I'm like, this isn't as easy as

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Speaker 1: I thought. It's not like all these guys are like

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Speaker 1: I think having two bachelortes complicated things and how vocal

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Speaker 1: and you get frustrated because it's like, why am I

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Speaker 1: still feeling this familiar feeling, right? And then you cry

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Speaker 1: and then the whole world sees it, and then Bachelor

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Speaker 1: Nation is like, Oh, they're crying because they're not getting

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Speaker 1: enough attention. It's like, no, that's not the point. It's

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Speaker 1: really yeah, and there's so little time. The one second

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Speaker 1: you get to see me, you should be trying to

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Speaker 1: you know, we would be so excited, like for like

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Speaker 1: for someone to pull her and halftime, and for them

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Speaker 1: to not be stepping up. It's kind of like, I'm

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Speaker 1: putting in all this effort for you guys, So why

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Speaker 1: is no one even attempting to put an effort with us? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It's really hard And what I think of that? Right?

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Speaker 1: Or no? You have Well, so, Michelle, I think it

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Speaker 1: you have like that frat boy boys are being childish

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Speaker 1: there were times where and I had to keep this

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Speaker 1: and they're only seeing me maybe a quarter of the time, right,

427
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: and even when they do see me, it's all being

428
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: pulled in different directions with different people. Really, like you

429
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: just said, Rachel, like you don't get that much time

430
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: in general, And so I had to kind of revert to,

431
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: like how did I feel as a contestant, Like when

432
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: it was already seasoned and I was one of twenty

433
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: eight women, Like when he would come around me just

434
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 1: being a girl's girl, I'm like, I don't and I'm

435
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: not competitive in that way, Like I'm not the one

436
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: to be the first to go up to somebody and

437
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: like you know, pull him and be like this is

438
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: my territory type thing. Like I was closer with the girls,

439
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: so I kind of stood back. So in a way,

440
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: like I kind of understand at times that mentality of

441
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: like you don't like you're living with these men, you

442
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: don't want to rub them the wrong way. Like when

443
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: you have that alone time, you're going to make the

444
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: most of it. But like when there's seventy thousand people around,

445
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily feel comfortable being yeah, like the loudest,

446
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: boldest person in the room. But one Week two that

447
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: goes on our your patient one is magical. Week two

448
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: understand everyone's getting their Bachelor contestant legs underneath them right.

449
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: Week three, okay, like you're still being you know, flexible.

450
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: Week four you're like, what are we doing here? Like

451
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: you know what I feel? I feel like there's a

452
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: time and a place like for both And like you said, Michelle,

453
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: like we've all dated guys who didn't make us feel chosen,

454
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: and I think having the two bachelorettes really it was

455
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: a real experience, and I think it was so emotional

456
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: for a lot of the viewers because women have felt

457
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: like that it doesn't go away because you're on TV,

458
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: Like this is real dating and this is real responses

459
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: to real scenarios, and it's like, damn, I thought this

460
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: was my chance to escape, but it's not. But I'm

461
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: glad that they aired it in a way that they

462
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: did because it was so real and wrong, and that's

463
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: is why dating is so hard, Like our dating culture

464
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: is just not easy to navigate. Well. I think two men,

465
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: for the most part, historically are used to having women

466
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: more so pursue them, you know, like and especially a

467
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: lot of men who are good looking have this complex

468
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: where it's like I don't have to work super hard

469
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: because I know people will come to me. And maybe

470
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't know these men. So I can't say that

471
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: that was the case, but that could have something to

472
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: do with it. Again, and so you get these thirty hot,

473
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: hunky men into a room and there they don't know

474
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: what to do because they've never had to, you know,

475
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: work as hard for it. Yeah, and I have a

476
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: question mainly for Michelle, but you two also may have

477
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: experienced this, but maybe it was slightly different because there

478
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: was two of you. Is did you ever feel like,

479
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: because there's a thousand guys and you know, very minimal

480
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: women when you are the lead when you were the bachelorette,

481
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: did you feel like at times the guys made it

482
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: more so of a competition and like they really were

483
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: into you for you, but like the idea of you

484
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: and like the idea of being with the Bachette and

485
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: like winning, you know, and like competing against these men.

486
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: Did you feel like that, Oh, Rachel, you take this one,

487
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: you take this one first. I mean, I think that's

488
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: always the big thing going in. I mean, people are

489
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: always like do they actually like the lead or is

490
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: it because there is that competition aspect and it is

491
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: a show, And I don't know. I think for us,

492
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: me and Gabby individually, I felt more just like, I

493
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: don't know, when there was two of us, it was like, well,

494
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: do they really like me? Or is it because Gabby

495
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 1: doesn't like them? So now they're trying to like have

496
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: self preservation. So I feel it was a little bit

497
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: different for us, But I totally get what you mean

498
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: by that. Yeah. I think at the beginning of ours,

499
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: the competition was more like who is who isn't going

500
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 1: to get rejected by both or either and who is?

501
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: So then that their egos trying to save themselves from

502
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: the rejection. Because there's two of us, they could go

503
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: to the other one and like vice versa. But then

504
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: I think it also later when we both had our

505
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: own journeys, I think it alleviated the competition and that

506
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: they had a choice, like they didn't just feel like

507
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: they were had to pursue because there's two of us,

508
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: So like I didn't I in my head, that's what

509
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: happened is once we went on our two different journeys,

510
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: like we both felt chosen us and like my guys

511
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: and my guys to me and then Rachel in the

512
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: same like parallel scenario, because they did have a choice.

513
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: You know, we had a good grasp of who the

514
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: other one was into, like right off the bat when

515
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: like Limo entrances and enough, Jordan's be such a nice guy,

516
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: but not necessarily what I would go for. So I

517
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: was definitely full on like Rachel, like this is your man,

518
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, you explore. I'm like it was never even

519
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: a question of like, oh, Gabby, did you like my girl?

520
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: But we kind of there was a lot of unspoken

521
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: like we just knew that about each other. Okay, if Nate,

522
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: like if something would have went wrong on that date,

523
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: like I there's no way Nate could have come back

524
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: to the house to date met. It was kind of

525
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: just like once you went on that one on one,

526
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: you were kind of spoken for it. Yeah, well, I'm

527
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: so glad that you both said that because that was

528
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: actually something that Michelle and I had talked about a

529
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, because I was kind of shocked

530
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: at the Jordan just full and went home, and I

531
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: was like, there had to have been a conversation that

532
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: we just didn't see. So I'm so glad you cleared

533
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: the air because and I'm sure as the weeks and

534
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: the dates went on, it definitely probably got much easier.

535
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: But just that first one, I was like, this is tricky,

536
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: Like I wonder how they're going to navigate this so

537
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: early on, but so it makes sense. Could you imagine

538
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: potentially like as a male part whatever ego getting double rejected,

539
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Like how do you even do? Nobody? Someone said no home,

540
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: so I'm coming back for like you know what I mean,

541
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: even just like the circumstances, like just there's no way. Yeah,

542
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: and unless he I mean, because he was very vocal

543
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: since night one that he was there for Rachel. So

544
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: maybe had he not been all in and said that,

545
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: it would have been different, but he was very spoken,

546
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: well outspoken about where he was kind of you know,

547
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: leaning towards But um, so a question for you too,

548
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: obviously you both have such a great friendship. Have your

549
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: families been able to meet, and like, have they been

550
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: able to bond over this crazy journey too? Yeah? Yeah,

551
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: my dad and Gabby's aunt actually work for the same company,

552
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: so they instant instant message the companies probably like slack. Yeah, yeah,

553
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: that's adorable. I love that. And they play vacations together. Yeah,

554
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: we didn't know about it. Oh my gosh, that's so fun. Well,

555
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: and one thing that we always say is, you know,

556
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: everyone's journey ends up different coming from a season. Some

557
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: people don't end up with anyone, some end up engaged

558
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: for a little bit, or like you know, it all

559
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: looks different. But I would say anyone that wants to

560
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: go on a season do it because it's so while

561
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: with the friendships you make, and not only between you two,

562
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: but now like this has bonded your families and so

563
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: like you just said, like these experiences that you can

564
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: take together outside of the show are so much more

565
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: meaningful than some that you probably made, you know, in

566
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: the two months that you were filming. It's so special. Totally, Yeah,

567
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: it really is. I love that. I think one of

568
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: my favorite things about you two is just because even

569
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: with so you talk about like that first night, right

570
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: We're sure you have your side kick you to speak

571
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: with somebody when you go through this position as like

572
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: a solo bachelorette, You're standing out there by yourself that

573
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: night one and like nobody's talking to you, so the

574
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: cameras are on you, but you kind of like have

575
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: conversations to yourself where its crickets, but like to see

576
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: if you guys just kind of go back and forth

577
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: with each other and actually just be able to relax

578
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: to some extent and have fun and actually enjoyed the

579
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: experience even though you're nervous and laugh and everything. And

580
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: the men are awesome. But I know that one of

581
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: my favorite parts about being a bachelor where it was

582
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: the clothes and like the things that you got to

583
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: wear and people for people who don't know when you

584
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: go into this role, you literally with Carrie Fetman, wonderful

585
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: guy brings you in like these However many days and

586
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: there's just a room full of racks and racks of

587
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: clothes with everything the Carrie Fetman Special. Exactly how was that? Like,

588
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: explain explain how you felt just having those days where

589
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: it's like a huge shopping spree with designer clothes. You

590
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: feel like a princess. You try on everything and you

591
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: legitimately go, go, go until you drop. It's amazing. It

592
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: really felt surreal the first time I walked in there,

593
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: and it was just like the best experience ever. Like

594
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: I think Gabby and I could stay in there for

595
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: hours and just like, did you do did you do

596
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: fittings together? Oh? No, we did it, and in the beginning,

597
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: because it's just too much for the whole season, and

598
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, for both of us, we couldn't even get

599
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: a fitting in. I think we each had like two

600
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: for the season before we started traveling, and then did

601
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: fittings also on the road, so Carry had his hands

602
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: full with both of us. He was He's always a

603
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: busy man, but yeah, he definitely, I mean double the

604
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: trouble this season. We got to go back to I

605
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: think it was week two when you know, the night

606
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: that some of the guys pulled you Rachel aside to

607
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: tell you what Chris had been talking about and how he,

608
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, was going to approach fantasy suites and basically

609
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: having this ultimatum without speaking about it first with you both.

610
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: It seemed like you both were very much on the

611
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: same page the second you heard that you brought it

612
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: to Gabby's attention. You were like, Uh, this guy is

613
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: not for us. We're gonna basically send him, kick him

614
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: to the curb, send him home, you know. And so

615
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: you it seemed like you both went into that conversation

616
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: already knowing, already having your mind made up. But how

617
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: did you both approach that wasn't that unspoken agreement where

618
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: you're like, yep, this is what we gotta do. Yeah.

619
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think when I first heard it, obviously

620
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: it was shocked because it's only a couple days in

621
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: and that's already a conversation. Like I just feel like

622
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: we both couldn't fathom that that was even happening, let

623
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: alone his um what he was saying, that he would

624
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: leave and everything on top of that. But I remember

625
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: telling Gabby like, let's just hear him out. Let's hear

626
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: what he has to say. And I think Gabby it

627
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: was you during the conversation. She was like, we're going

628
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: to walk you out, and I was like one hundred

629
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: percent totally behind her. It is kind of just like

630
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: an unspoken thing. I feel like, yeah, like why would

631
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: we want that guy around? Like, you know, I just

632
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of was there, no brainer. I thought, what did

633
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: you think? What did you think? When he came back? Though,

634
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: we were like production, somebody get back here, somebody please

635
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: keep this recording of Gabby's face right now. That was

636
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: gold in last night's episode two, Rachel. I think it

637
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: was right after you sent Hayden home at the Roast,

638
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: like right before the roads ceremony, when you were walking

639
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: through I want to call it a hotel, but the ship,

640
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: which we should talk about. As you're walking through the ship.

641
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you just like went out another hallway,

642
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: but there's like all these security people like trying to

643
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: get out of the shot that you're walking around, and

644
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, this girl just seemed some time alone. I

645
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: literally don't remember. All I know is I was just

646
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: like trying to book it back so I could just

647
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: lay down, yeah, and anyone, because I was just like,

648
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't do this. I just the Hayden thing.

649
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: That's a whole Oh oh wait, can we get into

650
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: the Hayden thing? So okay, this is something that I

651
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: always question with every contestant on every season. We saw

652
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: it last year in Paradise, we're seeing it now. So

653
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: when you confronted Hayden about what meet Ball told you

654
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: he was saying. He basically denied everything, right like, he

655
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: was like, I never said that, that wasn't me, that

656
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: wasn't my attentions. You then sent him home. But for

657
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: us viewers, we're seeing these little sprinklings of what he

658
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: was saying about you girls and what you know, kind

659
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: of comparing you to his x's and we don't even

660
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: need to go into all the dirty details. But he's

661
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: denying everything. But it's all on footage. So did you

662
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: at any point like call that out and say like

663
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: it's all going to air at some point? I mean,

664
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: I don't even think at this point, I didn't even

665
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: know to like a couple of days ago that it

666
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: was caught on footage. But Hayda was already on such

667
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: thin ice. Especially now me looking back and seeing how

668
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: the conversation actually went, the fact that he even got

669
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt is just like, I feel

670
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: so horrible that that even happened, Like he should have

671
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: been done right then and there. But then to add

672
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: on all the things that he also said, it's just

673
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: like actually horrific that someone would even talk like that

674
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: to Gabby about us in general. I've watch it well.

675
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: And that was another thing too for you, Gabby is

676
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: he was saying, He's like, I was just reiterating what

677
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: Gabby had said, and she shouldn't say these things if

678
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: she doesn't feel it or want somebody else to bring

679
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: it up. And I was like, I just like his

680
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: thought process of like reiterating anything somebody would say. It's

681
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: like whether it's negative for somebody he was potentially trying

682
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: to date just is not okay. Yeah, so, and I

683
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: don't think I ever called myself ugh around the edges,

684
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: maybe in like a joking form, but it was also

685
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: like that is definitely what hit But even the way

686
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: the conversation moved is at first he was like, you know,

687
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: reflecting on my values, like you don't have values, like

688
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: you don't even know me, and because of my value

689
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: and because you're rough around the edges, I am not

690
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: interested in you. It's like that. That was the big

691
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: takeaway from Jacob Peydon versus A Tyler, because it all

692
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: happened right, you know, one after another. But Tyler was

693
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: still respectful. He was like, you know, I have a

694
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: better connection with Rachel, which obviously there's going to be

695
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: guys you know that are here for one or the other.

696
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: And he was so nice about it, and I was

697
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: supportive and I'm like, yeah, you should tell her if

698
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: you haven't already, because at that point I knew Rachel

699
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: was like really into Tyler. But then the way the

700
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: other guys did it was like, this isn't coming from

701
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: like a genuine place. You're trying to knock me down

702
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: because something about me is making you feel insecure, and

703
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: that's what the audience saw too. But even now both

704
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: of them have apologized, and it's like, it's kind of

705
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: upsetting that you need like a public response to make

706
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: you understand what you did wrong, because in the moment

707
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: when Becca you're saying like, oh, did you tell Hayden,

708
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: like we're going to see it watch back. I had

709
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 1: that conversation with Jacob because he wasn't sorry in the moment,

710
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: like when he went home at that Row ceremony, we

711
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: thought and he was like, you disrespected me and I

712
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: would do it again and again, and I was like okay,

713
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: and he was like, I didn't say those things that

714
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: you're smoking comment. I called him out and he's like,

715
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: I never said that, and then he told me to

716
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: play Yeah, he told me. He was like no, I'm

717
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: like that, We're gonna play him back? Is a mental

718
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: is about to be heated? Michelle, Like, Michelle and I

719
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: have to be at this mental all because I can't wait. Well, okay,

720
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: so obviously, because Gabby, you just said this. Since last

721
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: week the men came out, you know when that was

722
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: all first airing in the first moments, and they apologized.

723
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: But now fast forward to a week later, we still

724
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: have seen Hayden, unfortunately on our screen, still saw him

725
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: say terrible things about both of you, even though he

726
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: sent out this apology last week, Like, where do you

727
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: stand in terms of his apology now? Because I feel

728
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: like if I was you, I would just wash it

729
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: down the drain and be like this is all BS

730
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: to try and fix a public image. He's not. I

731
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: don't feel like he actually means it apologize on social

732
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: media for one, Like I wouldn't even see these if

733
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: people weren't like sending them to me, and you weren't

734
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: even sorry in the moment, Like you don't actually know

735
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: what you're apologizing for because they're still defending their actions

736
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: days later after it happened, which we have both Hayden

737
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: and Jacob defending themselves saying they're especially not sorry, and

738
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: then now months later it's like exchange, except that all

739
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: vat Nation is like coming for you, but you can

740
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: have you been reached out to or no, no, not

741
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: a thing. Like That's my issue is when people apologize

742
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: to the public, but you don't apologize to the person

743
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: that you hurt. Yeah, like I cannot, I cannot, shall

744
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: I the la put the puzzle pieces together? But like yeah,

745
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: but seriously, like, that's my issue with this. And it

746
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's a TV show, does not matter

747
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: if it is Instagram, social media, whatever it is. If

748
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: you are going to apologize to the public, you're apologizing

749
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: and solely for the public. You're apologizing for your reputation.

750
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: You don't apologize to the person. If you're truly sorry,

751
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: do it to the person. I just don't understand these

752
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: men sometimes exactly. I really hope Michelle and I will

753
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: be able to be with you both around the mental

754
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: all time, not only because it's going to be so

755
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: damn entertaining, but I could spend more time with both

756
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: of you drinking wine, shooting the ship, catching up talking

757
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: about everything. So I truly hope that we can all

758
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: get together in person soon, but unfortunately at the time

759
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: has come where we have one more thing before we

760
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: have to let you both go because I know how

761
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: busy you are, and that is our game. So basically

762
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: this game, it's very straightforward. It's called Gabby or Rachel.

763
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: So we're going to ask you a series of questions

764
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: and you'll just answer with who you think fits it best. Okay,

765
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: So Michelle, would you like to take it away? Who

766
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: takes longer to get ready? Three two one Rachel? Okay, okay, okay?

767
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: Who is more forgetful? Three two one me Rachel? Gabby?

768
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: Who is better at making toasts? Three two? Or Rachel?

769
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: Who is the better cook? Three two? Who takes more selfies?

770
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: Three two one m I was gonna say you who

771
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: tells better jokes? Three two? Of course it's a little

772
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: less reserved, no filter? Who is more likely to trip

773
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: walking up the stairs? Three two one don't? Okay? Where

774
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: should last year on the Bloopers, have did either of

775
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: y'all trip this season? No? No wow? The second night

776
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: or first? It was the first night I chupped over

777
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: my dress, giving Mario the first impression. Rose that's talent

778
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: though if it only happened once and again, Okay, she

779
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: was falling for him? Yeah, who is messier? Three two? Okay,

780
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: I feel like this we're messy in different ways totally. Yeah,

781
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: Like is Rachel like messy like messy room? And then Gabby,

782
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: you feel like you're messy like social media like mess

783
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: like what comes out of your mouth or messy house?

784
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: Probably that definitely. Like Rachel's just such a hopeless romantic

785
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: So I feel like she's like just I can't I

786
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: don't want to give anything, I don't want to speak. No,

787
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: it's not a bad thing. It's like it's no, it's

788
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: really fun to like keep up with or like every day.

789
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: I think we're both like taging in our minds like

790
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: every day like okay, okay, yeah, but you do me.

791
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: You guys kind of remind me and I actually love

792
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: this is like if I had a partner on her,

793
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: like if we had a couple on you. Guys know

794
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: each other so well that I feel like you're at

795
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: that level. But it's just because we're such close friends

796
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: and I'm putting myself in this category were though I

797
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: don't know if you, but I love this It's like

798
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the newly met game, except the

799
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: not newly met you know, yes, who is the bigger

800
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: baby when they're sick? Three? Two one jah? Any there

801
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: were you ever sick? Not this season? Yeah last season?

802
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: I really all right, Okay, before we get into our

803
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: roses and thorns, I want you both to give us

804
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: a word or phrase that sums up your entire journeys.

805
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: M Um, I don't know. Yeah, it's crazy crazy to bad.

806
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: So it's it's crazy double the trouble. Yeah, yeah, emotional.

807
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go good. Yeah. Oh wait, I do have

808
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: one more question. I'm sorry, but I need to ask

809
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: this because obviously there's been so many opinions about having

810
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: two bad cherettes. How would you feel or would you

811
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: like to see two bad shor leads in one season?

812
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: About this? Um? Now that like we're starting to get

813
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: this question again. I think Rachel and I have such

814
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: a good friendship and so much respect for each other

815
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: that we were able to navigate it like pretty well

816
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: and not the seamless, but at least with respect to

817
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: where nobody really got their feelings there or felt betrayed

818
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: by the other one. I don't think men would like

819
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: average typical men if you could find two mature enough

820
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: to be in the role, Like maybe, but I think

821
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: there would be more competition and like less communication and

822
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: less respect. So I don't know. I feel like they

823
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: would have to be as close as me and Gab

824
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: we are to make it work, you have to like

825
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: really love and respect that person, because for both of

826
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: us it wasn't even just about like our individual happiness.

827
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: We were always thinking about the others as well. So

828
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: you would have to find two male leads who really

829
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: cared enough to want both, or two maids that didn't

830
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: care enough to make it a messy season. I was

831
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: gonna say, like, it doesn't necessarily necessarily have to be successful,

832
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: but like the females, the women were done being the

833
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: guinea pigs, you know, back to back seasons whatever it was.

834
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: With two one two women together, y'all are making it work.

835
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: Let's get two men in there and see if they

836
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: have emotional intelligence to figure they would go out. Yeah, Okay,

837
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: now for real, we actually have to let you go,

838
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: but not before you share your rose and Thorne. So, Michelle,

839
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: do you want to start it off to make it easy? Okay?

840
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: So for Rosen Thorne, you are going to tell us

841
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: up until episode four what has been your rose and

842
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: what has been your thorn? And so I will go

843
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: first with my rose has honestly been watching YouTube and

844
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: your friendship unravel and just every just having Bachelor Nation

845
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: to be able to watch that. And you're so different,

846
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: but you're also connecting such a special way that I

847
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: could not imagine two other people that are better to

848
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: handle this the first time around, because y'all are doing phenomenal.

849
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: It's just it's it truly is amazing, and you're doing

850
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of wonderful things. My thorn

851
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: um would probably have to be just continuing to see

852
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: um men and not like not have emotional intelligence as

853
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: they're working through this, a like rough around the edges

854
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: and you know, smoking hot, Yeah, smoking hot? Who said

855
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: smoke show? Someone said smoke show on one season before?

856
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: Wasn't then an issue with Tasia? Yeah? We don't need

857
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: to talk about god exactly? Why were she dealing with this?

858
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah? I get it, Um,

859
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: take it away. I'll go next my Oh gosh, Well,

860
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: I don't want to copy you, but I would say

861
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: that's probably my rose too, but I'm gonna go with

862
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: something a little different as I'm gonna say it's Scrampa

863
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: John because I just love Crampa John. So, my god,

864
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: he that physical therapy or else he could come on

865
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: this Gosh dam Gabby, don't come back on the podcast.

866
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: It's going to be there, Gabby, did you have any idea?

867
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: I found out the day before. I know, I'm like,

868
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: my Grandpa's here. It's honestly a whole story in itself,

869
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: but for another time, he is the gift that keeps

870
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: on giving, and I hope we have not unwrapped all

871
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: of Grandpa John in this season yet. I want to

872
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: see more of him. He's going to be my rose

873
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: and then my thorn. Yeah, just what Michelle said, I

874
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: think just well, actually I'll play off of that point

875
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: and add to it and just say, like, the men

876
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: have just said some stupid shit this season. They've handled

877
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: things terribly, and I think just the fact that they've

878
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: tried to give public apologies even though you know, even

879
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: after those apologies were tweeted or posted, they still have

880
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: said terrible things. It just seems a very half ass

881
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: and fake. And so that's going to be my thorn.

882
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: So far so, Rachel, you take it away next. My

883
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: Rose obviously is just having Gabby there. Truly, even watching

884
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: it back, I just could not imagine doing any of

885
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: it without her, and the Thorn will probably watching like

886
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: everything that they said to her her like going through

887
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: her own struggles. For me watching it, I'm just like

888
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: falling my eyes out watching Gabby struggle. But just I

889
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: would say all of episode three and just how hard

890
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: that was for both of us. That was definitely the

891
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: hardest part. I feel like one of the hardest parts

892
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: in the journey was all those projections and those men. Yeah,

893
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: all right, Gabby, you're up. Similar. I'm going to give

894
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: a specific for my Rose. My favorite is in episode

895
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: four when Rachel and I get to gree convene after

896
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: our dates in Paris, Like we had been begging for

897
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: a double day and they were like, okay, we'll try,

898
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: we'll try, and then it finally happened. Is like literally

899
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: so fun. I actually felt like I was back in

900
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: high school just to be able to see Rachel's so

901
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: happy and like to be able to I think we

902
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: were both really feeling it in that moment, so to

903
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: be able to see each other and like be happy

904
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: for one another. And then my thorn was all of

905
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: episode three. Yeah, m episode three hard week, Yeah, like

906
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: just bass that you both were so much fun having

907
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: on today. Thank you. Like I said, I know that

908
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: you're both so incredibly busy and you've been doing press

909
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: like crazy, so I hope that you can find some

910
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: time in these sex a few weeks to just relax

911
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: and chill before mental all and the finales and the

912
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: ending of your seasons. Michelle and I have no idea

913
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: what happens, but we can't wait to keep watching you

914
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: both and supporting you from afar, and we're always here

915
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: if you need anything, advice, questions, wine, girl, chat, shit talking,

916
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: whatever you need. Please let us know we are here

917
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: and we'll get you that Bachelor at Bible. Yeah, please

918
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: do it never too late. I might have to rewrite it, yeah,

919
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: pre publish it in twenty two to khosties. Thankfully a

920
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: pictures of all of the pages, so I know exactly

921
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: what it was word for word. That we might just

922
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: have to republish it a little bit. But thank you

923
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: both so much. By Guy Oh, Michelle, I loved this

924
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: little bachelor up baloo so that was such a fun episode.

925
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: I love them, like, they just make me smile and

926
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: it's just so much fun watching them. They're just so genuine,

927
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: they're so different, and uh, I really hope this works out. Yeah,

928
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: you know. And what I love too is like they're

929
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: they're roses were for each other, and like that just

930
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: goes to show how how special and like crazy unique

931
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: this journey is for anyone, but the fact that like

932
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: they found love and friendship with each other is so special. Um.

933
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I really can't wait to have them on again.

934
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll have them on around the finale time,

935
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: maybe with partners. I don't even need partners there, because

936
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: I'd love having those two together. So see, I mean,

937
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: it's a mind field to navigate, like this is really

938
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: hard to navigate, but they're doing such a good job

939
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: with it, so they really are, and especially that they

940
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: have each other to lean on. So a huge thank

941
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: you to Rachel and Gabby for joining us today. Of course,

942
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: thank you Michelle for being here. I love doing this

943
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: with you and it wouldn't be the same without you.

944
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: And even bigger things to all of our Happy Hour listeners.

945
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: Don't forget everyone that you can catch all new episodes

946
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: of the Bachelor and every Monday on ABC or Hulu,

947
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: and make sure to hit us up on social. You

948
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: can follow us at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and

949
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,160
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950
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,960
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951
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952
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,080
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953
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: an Apple podcast or the Wondering App. Thank you everyone,

954
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: and I wish I could have them on next week,

955
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: don't you? Every week times in a row. Can you

956
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: imagine we're just start Bachelor Happy were with four bachelorettes

957
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: every episode? Oh god, that would challenge. This is already hard.

958
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: But thank you a Bachelor Nation. Then, thank you listeners.

959
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: We will see you next week. Good Bye,