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Speaker 1: forgot to appropriately celebrate the month of November. And as

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Speaker 1: any of you longtime listeners know, when it's November, we

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Speaker 1: celebrate that most wonderful time to kill deer. And with

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Speaker 1: themed tune, Big White Tails. So before we get into

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Speaker 1: our main episode, our main topic of conversation, I want

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Speaker 2: Enjoy.

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Speaker 3: It's that time of the year again. I'm back, Marcus Kenyan.

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Speaker 3: How are you your son of a gadwall? You look terrible.

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Speaker 3: I'm just kidding a remma. I'm sorry, I'm late.

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Speaker 4: I crashed my recumbent bicycle into the side of a

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Speaker 4: quiz nose and I know what you're thinking. I am

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Speaker 4: as sober as a newborn blue crab. I swear to you,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the gut health.

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Speaker 2: You gotta do it as you get older.

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Speaker 4: And also I'm wearing this ankle bracelet that makes a

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Speaker 4: beep beep sound. If I have a drop of the

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Speaker 4: stuff also alerts the authorities, who in turn alert my

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Speaker 4: parole officer. So there'll be none of that in the

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Speaker 2: Let's get go.

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Speaker 5: Oh you're queueing it up already.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I thought we'd learned a lesson this year, but

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 6: I love those dagy bi big white tape, those beachy

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Speaker 6: bi big wide tails. I love those be achie b

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Speaker 6: get eight chats eat tales. I love those be atchie

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Speaker 4: Big white tails, big white tails.

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Speaker 1: Big white tails are great.

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Speaker 4: Oh, what fun it is to sit in the freezing

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Speaker 4: cold tree all day? Big white tails, big white tail,

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Speaker 4: big white tails are great. Hold, what fun it is

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Speaker 4: to sit in the freezing cold tree all day? Dashing

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Speaker 4: into the tree. Big folks are on the wave? What

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Speaker 4: fun he is to sit and wait for my gosh

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Speaker 4: dan dere all day?

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Speaker 1: Oh big, I'm sorry? What is this?

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Speaker 4: Pisocado strings? Who do you think I am? Enya?

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Speaker 1: Get this out here. I don't want to hear it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Big.

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Speaker 3: White tails, big white tails, big white tails are great,

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Speaker 3: hold fun.

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Speaker 4: It is to sit in the freezing cold tree all day.

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Speaker 4: I hope sand dreams are high the rut. He's finally here,

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Speaker 4: Mark said, it's the most wonderful time. I'm to kill

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Speaker 4: o whitetail deer bingch points and pettings where you'll find

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Speaker 4: me hang it twenty feet in a tree grunt tubes

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Speaker 4: my bowel inspector Camos really can't be belah, he haught

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Speaker 4: two ago. I thought that this was fun, but now

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Speaker 1: From my stand.

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Speaker 4: That son of a but decided to come out.

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Speaker 6: Of those meegy be white takes those e bagy bee

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Speaker 7: I love those beagy big dup yall eight shot ge etails.

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Speaker 7: I love those big white tails all day.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why this is happening, I swear to God, Oh, officer,

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Speaker 4: what seems to be the problem here? Oh this, I

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Speaker 4: You don't need to smell that. That's just Kombuchai. Okay, yes,

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Speaker 4: you've got me. It's ever clear and pacific. Kuli Caprice Son.

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Speaker 4: I am so so sorry. I don't know why my

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Speaker 4: life has brought me here. Mark Marcus, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 5: the White Tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 5: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light,

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Speaker 5: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. This week on

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Speaker 1: the show, Tony and I break down our recent success

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by First Light and Camo for Conservation. If you are

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Speaker 1: November twenty three, twenty twenty three, and you might be tired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting blackball. No guests left, it's just me, Tony.

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Speaker 2: Me too, man. I go from I set my boat

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Speaker 2: But November for me, are you are you at a

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Speaker 1: And I know intellectually, like there are possible reasons for this,

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Speaker 1: Or what if he's alive then that ruins my chance

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This is this is me speaking. The thoughts have been

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I saw that video. I don't I

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Speaker 2: see that, Dear Dan from that that that video was

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope so, because my my strategy now has

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Speaker 1: So I've I've left it untouched for almost ten days

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Speaker 1: Year, when November twenty two or twenty five or twenty

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Speaker 1: But it's just it's just been weighing on me, like

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Speaker 2: And I can't I can't get past it. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that could happen there, that

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Speaker 2: I think he'll be back. I sure hope you're right, man.

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Speaker 1: That would That would make me feel a whole lot

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Speaker 1: And I just haven't been able to do that like

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Speaker 2: Man. So yeah, Well, the worst that's the worst negative encounter,

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Speaker 1: So true, and it doesn't get sad enough. And I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I missed a spike this year, Like I mean, it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't help, Like, I've got a couple buddies

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Speaker 1: Do you want to talk Wisconsin?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Sure? Yeah. I mean, honestly, the the best hunt

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Speaker 2: a good chance this evening the wind was going to switch.

434
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 2: Whatever we sit. Nothing perfect, you know, like November sixth seventh, whatever,

435
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: like frosty, beautiful, no dear, nothing moving. So we moved midday,

436
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 2: walked over there, set up in this box blind on

437
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: this on this private ground that's just in this kind

438
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: of corner that's just good. Like they cut through there

439
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: coming from the neighbors and they kind of go around

440
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: a swamp through this little corner and I'm like, man,

441
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: if they come through here and we have this decoy out.

442
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: They're going to come in, you know, like they especially

443
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: a little guy. Right, So we sit till like, you know,

444
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: ten minutes after sunset, right, like you got like a

445
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 2: little bit of time left. Maybe it was maybe it

446
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 2: was a little earlier than that, but it was like

447
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: we were staring down the barrel of an all day blank, right.

448
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: We had twenty minutes left, half hour whatever. And I

449
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: heard a stick snap back in the swamp, and I

450
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: was like, that's a deer. He might be going to

451
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 2: the neighbors or he might be coming here. And I'm like,

452
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: but we got to get ready because this is going

453
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: to be our chance if he shows. And I look

454
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: and this little six pointer comes walking out of the

455
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: swamp and he comes out and he looks at that

456
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 2: decoy and he's about, I don't know, forty five yards away,

457
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: and it was so cool because his body language just

458
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: shifted like he was just like a little scrapper on

459
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: the hunt. And then he saw that loan though, and

460
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: he like kind of puffed up, stuck his chest out

461
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: a little bit, and he walked to this scrape and

462
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: scraped it and he got on his hind legs and

463
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: he raked his antlers and he like it was like

464
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: such a palpable difference in his body language. And he

465
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: finished that up and he just walked in and he

466
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: couldn't take it and ran right up to the decoy,

467
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: you know, stuck his nose right on the butt, sniff

468
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: it and she laced him at you know, fourteen yards

469
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: and he ran off and tipped over, and it was like,

470
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: it was so awesome, Like you don't you know, I don't.

471
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: I don't use decoy as hardly ever, And you know,

472
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 2: I've had very I've killed a few deer with him,

473
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: but I've had like, you know, at least way more

474
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: negative interactions than positive. And to have it just position

475
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 2: one like that and it just him play the game

476
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: and put on a show man. It was so freaking cool.

477
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: And she was just geeked.

478
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 1: So what was the decoy set up? Like, how do

479
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 1: you run a decoy in that situation? How'd you position it?

480
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: All that stuff?

481
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 2: Well, so you know they're gonna approach if it's a

482
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: if it's a buck decoy, they're coming in head on right,

483
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: because they're not gonna they're gonna keep track of those antlers.

484
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 2: If it's a doe decoy. They're interested in the other end,

485
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: And so I set him up fourteen yards away, you know,

486
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: so that deer, if he if he plays the game,

487
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 2: he's gonna come in and he's gonna be quartered away,

488
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 2: focused on that decoy. And that we were on a

489
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: corner of a field that was supposed to be planted

490
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: this year and the farmer never planted it, so it's

491
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: basically bare dirt, worthless to the deer. But I knew,

492
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: like the eye lines, like the site lines are really good.

493
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: So I'm like, if if a deer pokes his head

494
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 2: out and sees this in this field, he's going to

495
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: see that decoy. And so I'm like, you know, if

496
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: they cross through or you see a cruiser or whatever,

497
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: there's a good chance that they're just gonna lay eyes

498
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: on it and come and a really good chance they're

499
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: going to pop out of that corner where they kind

500
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: of pinch around that swamp. And so it was like

501
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: it was like scripted. Man. I mean, the way he

502
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: came out as soon as I saw him look at

503
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,239
Speaker 2: that decoy and his body language changed, I'm like, this

504
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: deer is gonna die, Like he's going to come you

505
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: could tell, and it was just so fun, you know.

506
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, everybody breaks about their kids

507
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: and they're so biased toward their kids. But she's eleven,

508
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: and she did all day out there, and she smoked him,

509
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: and I was like, that is badass, man, that is

510
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: cool man, that's great. That's that's as good as you

511
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: can get. Yeah, especially you know, especially when you're in

512
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: a situation where I you know, I told her going

513
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: over there, I'm like, we might see a couple deer

514
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: this weekend, like we might. But in that situation, if

515
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: you you know it's the rut, and if you that

516
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: and I know we own Dave smith whatever, like take

517
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: this for what it's worth. That freaking decoy looks so good,

518
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 2: Like when you when you look at that in a

519
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: field and you're like, man, especially a little scrapper sees it,

520
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 2: they're not going to turn that down during the rut.

521
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: So I have never used a decoy in Michigan before

522
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: until this year. I got one of those Dave smith

523
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: buck decoys and so I was like, oh, let's try it,

524
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: just see what happens. And this was when I'm hunting

525
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: this new property. After you know, I'd hunted the Wide

526
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: nine for a while after him disappearing, and then I

527
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: finally said, Okay, I'm gonna back out until he returns.

528
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: So I'm on this new spot where there's lower expectations,

529
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: lower risk. And my worry with the decoy Michigan was

530
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: always like, you put that thing out there, and deer

531
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: are gonna be blowing at it and freaking out.

532
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: You're gonna mess up your hunt.

533
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: So I would never use that in a place where

534
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: I was really after a deer, but on this other property,

535
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: yeah whatever. So I just kind of wanted to see

536
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: how it worked. And I did not have a single

537
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: deer spook from it, and everything came in to check

538
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: it out, little bucks does, and the doughs did not

539
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: wig out like the worry, you know, it was always

540
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: like a doe is gonna get spooky and wiggy on

541
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: it and start blowing and stuff, and I didn't have

542
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: that happen. In fact, I had a hot dough what

543
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: I think was a hot dough. Well, a doll that

544
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: could have been approaching it came over and just hung

545
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: out by the buck and she just stood around it

546
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: and would then start feeding next to it. And then

547
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: I had another buck come in and you know, try

548
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: to get that dough from the buck with my decoy.

549
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: So it was very cool to see that. So I

550
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: mean TBD on killing one on one hopefully someday, but uh,

551
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: it was fun to experience that. At least. A question

552
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: for you related to decoying. Back to what I just said,

553
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: the risk of using a decoy is that it can

554
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: spook some deer, at least other decoys. I've used a

555
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: different decoy in the past and have had that happen

556
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: in Ohio and Iowa. But do you think that in

557
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: a low deer density kind of place like where you

558
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: were at, decoying is actually more effective because you've got

559
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: a lower risk of deer spooking, and it's maybe a

560
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: higher opportunity. Like if a deer sees another deer in

561
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: a low deer density area, they're even more keyed in

562
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: to go check them out.

563
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's just it's just a rarity thing, right,

564
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: you know, Like I was thinking about this, you know,

565
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to be writing some on this topic.

566
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: But like people were so conditioned to think you got

567
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: to have like if you get your hands on some land,

568
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: you've got to have these dreamy food plots and you

569
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: got to do like follow like a kind of a

570
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: certain pattern. But it's like, I don't know, if you're

571
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: in a place with tons of good food already, you know,

572
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: betting cover might be way more important, or you know,

573
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: water might be way more important. Or if you're up

574
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: in the big woods, you know you have betting cover everywhere.

575
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: So like what's rare? Right, like the food is. And

576
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this with this dough decoy, I'm like,

577
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: there's so few deer here that if you're a buck

578
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: and you're on the if you're cruising and you don't

579
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: have a dough with you, which is very likely, there's

580
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: no way you're going to pass that up. Yeah, you know,

581
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: and the buck that I killed, we can talk about

582
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: this later, but the one that I killed in Wisconsin,

583
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: this is the same scenario. So I went from never

584
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: taking a decoy into the field the killing back to

585
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: back deer on a decoy in similar situations.

586
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is something that does not get

587
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: talked about a lot. Makes a lot of sense. If

588
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: you're in a low deer density area, you might want

589
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: to have a decoy out like all the time, yep. Well,

590
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: because you framed it perfectly. It's the rare thing. We

591
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: always think about that, what's the rare thing from like

592
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: a habitat perspective, But in some places it's just another animal.

593
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: You provide that and boom, they're locked in and come

594
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: and check it out.

595
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: Yep. And I mean I think you could kind of

596
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: apply this to calling and sense, Like I think there's

597
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: a lot going on there, you know, like if you

598
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: were if you were hunting there and you wanted to rattle,

599
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: I mean sure, maybe you would call in a buck,

600
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 2: but it's like, I don't know, I just don't see it,

601
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: Like the density is so low, Like yeah, you could,

602
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: you could rattle in a deer, but it just doesn't

603
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: seem like it would be nearly as effective or you know,

604
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: calling it just it doesn't feel the same way, like

605
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I guess it would kind of

606
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: be like, you know, fishing in a pond with like

607
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: three deer or I mean three fish. You know, like

608
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: you'd be like I would, I would switch my tactics

609
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: on how I would do that versus just you know,

610
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: like throwing top waters all over because I know there's

611
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: tons of smallies here now I'm in a place that

612
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: has nothing to work with, like I'm going to switch

613
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: things up, you know, And I think I think it's

614
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: like a really good teacher to hunt places with different densities,

615
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: Like I think it forces you. I mean, that's part

616
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: of the reason why the public land thing is such

617
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: a great educator. Like even if you're in a really

618
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: good state, you know, you if you go hunt public land,

619
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: you've you've often disadvantaged yourself in a way where you

620
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: have to level up a little bit to have success

621
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: that you might not have to do on private land.

622
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: It just forces you to think, like, how do I

623
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: get through this the right way to have that encounter?

624
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? Interesting, So I guess now you've teed it up.

625
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: Tell us about the buck you killed with the decoy.

626
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: So I you know how it is when we when

627
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: we do this, we have cameraman with us most of

628
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: the time, and if we don't, like I've had an

629
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: eleven year old with me the rest of the season,

630
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: so I haven't had like a hunt where I'm like,

631
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go sit in a tree by

632
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: myself and hunt. And I kind of saved my Wisconsin

633
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: tag for this reason. I was like I just want

634
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: to have something for myself to go do, and I

635
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: kind of want to do a late rut thing anyway,

636
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: because I was just I keep thinking it's going to

637
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: be like a good chance to kill a big one.

638
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: So anyway, I went over I guess maybe like on

639
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: the eleventh or twelfth or something, and I had five

640
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: or six days to hunt. And my plan was, you know,

641
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: like get in deep, you know, hunt these swamps, get

642
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: into these some of these places where I know there's

643
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: some big deer. And I knew it was going to

644
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: be like a mostly mostly I was gonna blank. But

645
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like I have a chance. And

646
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: I had one spot I was saving. And this is

647
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: another thing that we should probably do a whole podcast on.

648
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: But I find myself, I know you do this too,

649
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: Like there's a place I want to hunt, Like there's

650
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: a location where I'm like, that's where I want to

651
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: be now, But the wind isn't going to be right

652
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: for two days, So what's my next best option? To

653
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: leave that alone and just be smart about it. And

654
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: I was doing that on this this spot that I

655
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: really wanted to hunt, this kind of travel right along

656
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: this swamp and I'm like, I can't go in there

657
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: until the wind gets right, and I've got to wait

658
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: like two and a half days. So I'm working other

659
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 2: stuff and blanking, and I finally saw a dough nobody

660
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 2: on her tail. I saw her twice like she was

661
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: like all by herself, and I hunted the wind was

662
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: It was like the third day I was over there.

663
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: I've seen, you know, one deer so far in three days.

664
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: And I sat this stand, had some neighbors come in

665
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: with their four wheelers and stuff, and so it was

666
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: like early in the morning, and I'm like, well, I

667
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: was gonna go saddle up on this swamp edge where

668
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: I really wanted to hunt. Anyway, like I was going

669
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: to do that midday when the wind switched. I didn't

670
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: want to do it in the dark, and so I

671
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: drove back to the cab and I switched my stuff out,

672
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: grab my saddle and get ready to go do that.

673
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: And as I'm driving back, I saw this buck. You

674
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: know how like when you see deer run, they have

675
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: different kinds of ways of running, right, Like some of

676
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 2: them are just kind of trotting along. Sometimes they bound.

677
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 2: But when you see that like greyhound just like down digging.

678
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: You know, it happens a lot if you like heart

679
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: shoot them or you hit them in a heart and

680
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: a bone, like they just dig.

681
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: Well.

682
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: I looked up and I was like, holy shit, there's

683
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 2: a German shepherd or something like streaking across the road.

684
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: But it was a doe and she was just booking

685
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: and this buck came in behind her and they ran

686
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: in to my buddy's place where I was staying. And

687
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: it was like nine in the morning, and I'm like,

688
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: I haven't seen an ounce of running activity yet, and

689
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, they just ran in there. They weren't anywhere

690
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: near where I was going to go set up, but

691
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe I should go do that setup

692
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: I did with my daughter just for two hours, just

693
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: maybe there's maybe that dough is hot, maybe they'll come

694
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: streaking through like something, you know. Kind of just like

695
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: fell into my lap and made me rethink my plan

696
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I still have time to go do

697
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: the thing I want to do, but maybe I should

698
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: give this just like a little bit of time.

699
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: I had all my close to where you.

700
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: Saw them, I probably set up maybe like five six

701
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 2: hundred yards away, but where they ran across that field

702
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: and went back into the swamp. But I just thought

703
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: that kind of activity is like pretty rare for me

704
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: to see up there. So I'm like, there might be

705
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: something good, you know. And so I had all my

706
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: stuff with me, the decoy and everything. I'm like, I'm

707
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: gonna go do this set up again. So like a moron,

708
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 2: I'm walking across this field with a decoy at nine

709
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: in the morning and go put it out, climb up

710
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: in there. And I was like, this is so dumb,

711
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: Like I'm I know where I want to be, Like

712
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: I want to go hunt like a real hunter and

713
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: not do this, Like this didn't feel right to me.

714
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: But I'm sitting there and I'm like, you just you

715
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: just don't know, right, And I'm like at this point,

716
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just want a deer to come by

717
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: so I can shoot it. Like I'm like, i just

718
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: want that part of the hunt. And like ten minutes

719
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: after I sat down, I looked and here comes this

720
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: buck trotting and I'm like, oh shit, there's one right there,

721
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: and he comes through. I don't I don't think so

722
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not exactly sure. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't. Uh,

723
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: but you know, in one of those box lines you have,

724
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: like those tall windows on the side like to bohon

725
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 2: out of. So I've got the decoy out sixteen yards

726
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: quartered away, same kind of deal, and this buck's coming

727
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: through at like thirty five, and he's like not looking

728
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: at the decoy at all. He's just trotting. And so

729
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know because I've ranged it a million

730
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: times because I sat there with my daughter forever, and

731
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: so I'm like, holy crap, like is he gonna stop?

732
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: And I'm like trying to murp him, and he just

733
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 2: runs right on through and stops like where I can't

734
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: shoot him. And so I'm like looking at him, like

735
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: I can't believe this worked. And there's a buck right here,

736
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: and now I'm not going to get to shoot him,

737
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: like he just he's going to ignore this decoy. And

738
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, dude, that book. It was like his

739
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: brain was running in slow motion because he was like,

740
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go run over here and go check for

741
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: doz on like this neighboring property. But you could see

742
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: it like kind of grind to a halt, and he stopped, dude,

743
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: he stopped, yeah, facing yeah, He's like, oh my god,

744
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 2: another deer. I can't believe this, like, can't be right.

745
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: He's facing into the swamp and I'm thinking, I can't

746
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: believe that this is gonna I'm not going to kill

747
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: this deer. And he looks for like twenty seconds into

748
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: the swamp, spins a one eighty and runs right up

749
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: to my decoy and I shoot him just like it

750
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: was and he and I don't know, it was wild,

751
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't. I could not believe it. And he

752
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: ran off and I could see the blood coming out

753
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: of his side. It was one of those wonderful blood

754
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: trails where you're like, I know there's going to be

755
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: a dead deer here, but I get to do the

756
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: blood trail part, you know what I mean? Yeah, And

757
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: so it was. It was wild. So I did basically

758
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: the exact same setup twice with that decoy, and the

759
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: two deer that saw it came right in. Just that's

760
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: amazing wild. So and I mean, he's he's a weird

761
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: deer too. I'll send you a picture. But when I

762
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: saw him coming, I was like, man, that's a big

763
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: deer with a runty rack, Like you know how when

764
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: you're like in Texas and they're hard to judge, Like

765
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: body to rack is just weird. This one's like it

766
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 2: looked like a horse coming in with this little eight

767
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: point rack and it's just it's just weird. Like I'm like,

768
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: you know, like we always joke about like a call buck.

769
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think I just killed like the ultimate

770
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: call buck because this guy's his head gear sucks and

771
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: I don't you know, but it was it was wild.

772
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: It was cool.

773
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: Big was the big I mean, is he big? Body?

774
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: Up close?

775
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: Is he what you saw?

776
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: It was? Yeah? Nice? I mean it just you know,

777
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: and we see that up there sometimes, especially like you know,

778
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: after a bad winner, it feels like they put a

779
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: lot of resources into their body and not a lot

780
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: of resources into their rack up there. Sometimes, I mean

781
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: it catches up when you get like an old one.

782
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: They're big, like they're you know, like you get one

783
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: fifty one sixty deer up there legitimately, but they're the

784
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: deer that like made it through and they have you know,

785
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: access to the best stuff. Yeah. So but I don't know,

786
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: I was pretty I was pretty freaking happy anyway. Yeah

787
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: that's awesome, man.

788
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: So, uh, your tactic with the decoy worked very well

789
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: with a dough decoy. Would you say, now, like, if

790
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: you had a buck, would you always still use that

791
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: dough during the rut or would you go and use

792
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: the buck decoy at some point too?

793
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: Like I would make that decision. I don't think i'd

794
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: use a buck decoy up there. I mean there's there's

795
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 2: certain situations, especially like a Halloween type haunt or maybe

796
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: the first couple of days of November. I would use

797
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: a buck decoy. You know, it just depends, but that

798
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: that dough decoy, man, I think I think we've been

799
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: really conditioned to use buck decoys. And that's because we're

800
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: watching stuff that's created by people who are focused on

801
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: really big deer. Like if you're gonna if you're hunting,

802
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: you know, a specific one sixty in the corner of

803
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: this field or whatever, like you want to challenge that deer, right,

804
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: And like we said earlier, if there's you know, if

805
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: you're in a high deer density place, he might have

806
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: does everywhere, like that's not that special to him. But

807
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people who aren't, like

808
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 2: I don't you know, if you're like I just want

809
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: a decent buck, I don't need a one to fifty

810
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: or whatever, or you're like, I just want to put

811
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: a buck in front of me that will give me

812
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: a good shot. I think that dough decoy is like

813
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: way underutilized.

814
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a really interesting point, and something like

815
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: you said does not get talked about very much.

816
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm gonna talk about it. I'm a believer

817
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: now body.

818
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: So other than using the dough decoy, and here follow

819
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: up questions that would you use this tactic only in

820
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: November or do you think in a low deer density

821
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: place where you're not too terribly picky about the deer

822
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: year after? Could you use dough decoy in a cut

823
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: cornfield in December on a late season hunt to just

824
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: get that like schooling fish effect?

825
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: Yep, maybe, I mean I used to use a Montana

826
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: decoy has made a couple of feeding deer decoys. They

827
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: had a meal deer one first and it was just

828
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: a silhouette of a deer with its head down, and

829
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: then they made a white tail one. I used to

830
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: use that in September, October, November and December because I

831
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: would have deer come out. You know, you take that

832
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 2: early season, you know, soybean field hunt those deer come out,

833
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: you know, in seven different spots. They might make their

834
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: way there. They might not. But when I would put

835
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: that out, even the dose they'd come out, they get

836
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: they'd get a little wiggy. They'd almost always come right

837
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: over to it. And so this one and and if

838
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: you're calling, you know, if you if this, this is

839
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: obviously a heads up decoy. This uh, Dave Smith. You

840
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: know the head's up, it's looking you know, if you

841
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: if you could put one that was a head down

842
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: so you couldn't really see the head, but you could

843
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: see like it was a little body calling to deer

844
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: all season long. Would be amazing with that because they

845
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't you know, a buck would look over there. You

846
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: could and you know, dose could look over there. You

847
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: could bleed Adam. Bucks could look over there. You could

848
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: grunt at them whatever. They don't really there, they don't.

849
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: They just know there's a deer there that's making noise.

850
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: And so I think there's applications for this in a

851
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: lot of ways. That would be really cool.

852
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I want to experiment some more with these.

853
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: It's very interesting these different ways you can go about it.

854
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: Is there is there any other takeaway from these two

855
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: rut hunts, tony or any other lessons you learned or

856
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: that we can take from them.

857
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: Man, I know we say this all the time, but

858
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: there's there's two things I noticed with my hunt and

859
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: with seeing other people. And this is not just this

860
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: is not just in the Wisconsin thing. This was down

861
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma. This was actually in North Dakota. There's a

862
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: there's this is gonna make me sound horrible, but there's

863
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: an element of laziness to a lot of people's hunting

864
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 2: that cost them. And so when I when I killed

865
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: this buck in Wisconsin, I went out just to shoot

866
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: photos and drive around. I had to go pull some

867
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: stands and blinds and stuff. So I was just in

868
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: and out of the woods in different spots, driving around.

869
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: And the amount of trucks I see pulled like all

870
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: the way through the field parked on the edge of

871
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: the woods. It's like, man, you could have walked two

872
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: hundred yards and not done that. Like you put a

873
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: totally different impact on there. And that's like that's super common, right,

874
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: Like you hear that story a lot. You hear it

875
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: during gun season a lot. Like riding the four wheeler

876
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: out to the tree stand. Like, man, you are advertising

877
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: your presence in a way. Like think how often there's

878
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: a there's a truck parked right there on the edge

879
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: of that field. Almost never? Yeah, and when when there is,

880
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: there's always a person one hundred yards away in that

881
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: ladder stand, you know, like that that kind of stuff.

882
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: How you get in there, where you park, that doesn't change, man,

883
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 2: Like it's it's like universal across the white tail space

884
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: that if you're kind of taking the easy way out,

885
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: you're you're probably costing yourself some encounters, I think, you know.

886
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: And it's and it's often the difference between you know,

887
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: fifteen minute walk in a ten minute walk or a

888
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: fifteen minute walk and a five minute walk, you know,

889
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: because this is white tails and we're not going that far.

890
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: But it so that and just time, like you know,

891
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: I had two sits in a row between North Dakota

892
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: and my daughter's Dear that were all day sits where

893
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: the first deear that came in at the end, which

894
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: is right at the end, is the deer that we killed.

895
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: And you know how it is like sometimes you kill

896
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: that noon buck, sometimes it's one o'clock. Sometimes you just

897
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: see something that clues you into what you should do

898
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: you know at eleven o'clock in the morning, and I

899
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: just think I'm getting to the point now where I'm like,

900
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: I just think most hunters don't put in as much

901
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: time as they should. Like if you if you're sitting there,

902
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: and you're like, I could go out at three o'clock

903
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: or two o'clock or one o'clock, or I could go

904
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: out right now, go out right now, as long as

905
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: the wind's right and the situation works, because it's just

906
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: like it's just time in there, and it's it's like,

907
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: you know how it feels when you walk out, especially

908
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: if you're sitting in the woods, you walk out for

909
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 2: an afternoon sit it feels like it takes a while

910
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: to calm down, like the woods has to get back

911
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: to like the normal rhythm. You know. It's like it's

912
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: the same thing when you're you know, if you sit

913
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: an elk wall or a water hole out west in September,

914
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: when the frogs start chirping again and things start settling, now,

915
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, now something could come in. But when

916
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: you walk in there, it goes quiet, and like there's

917
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: just things like that. And I just think that the

918
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: more time you give it the more time. And I

919
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: know that, like people want to hear something way cooler

920
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: than that, But I just think it's like you have

921
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 2: to put in the hours.

922
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is not always rainbows and butterflies when

923
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: you're sitting out there for ten twelve hours or whatever

924
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: it is for day after day after day. But to

925
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: your point, sometimes that's what takes well.

926
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: And you know the thing sometimes to keep interested in that,

927
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: you know, if you can do that midday switch or

928
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna sit this pinch point today and

929
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit that field corner tomorrow or whatever, like

930
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: giving yourself a different view because you know, we see

931
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: this a lot, especially we saw this when we were

932
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: filming one week in November the two years we did it. Man,

933
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: you can be on a property and be in a

934
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: dead zone, just dead, and you can move five hundred

935
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: yards away to a different valley or something and it

936
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: is on. And so sometimes you know, sometimes you think

937
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: you got a volume hunt that pinch point, make it

938
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: happen there. But if you if you're not wired for that,

939
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: like okay, go sit a different stand, but put in

940
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: your time there, like you know, make a qualified decision,

941
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: but make sure that you're giving yourself a chance to

942
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 2: like see this through, like what you need to see

943
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: it through. Yeah.

944
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that changes. Scenery can make a huge difference, just

945
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: as morale and focus and all that. That's that's so true.

946
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard going back to a place where you

947
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: blank a whole bunch. Oh yeah, yeah, it is.

948
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that you did not blank in the end, Tony.

949
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm glad it came together. You put in the time,

950
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: and you and your daughter came out on top.

951
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: That's very good. Victorious, Yeah, victorious cocky, and I love

952
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: that they both are. That's awesome.

953
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: I guess I should share my story and we can

954
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: break that down. And this one's quick because it was

955
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: a pretty quick hunt. We talked just after I shot

956
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: the Y nine. The whole thing happened that we just discussed.

957
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: A day and a half later, I had left for Nebraska,

958
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: fourteen hour drive thinking the whole time about you know,

959
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: what just happened to Michigan and what we just talked about.

960
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: So my head spinning, my wheels turning, thinking over and

961
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: over and over again about what happened with the Y nine.

962
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: But I kept on telling me. I said, hey, you

963
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: gotta just set this aside because you're gonna you're going

964
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: on your dream hunt for the year, Like this is

965
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: your hunt that was just for you.

966
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: Like several of my other trips.

967
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: This year have been like mentoring or helping other people

968
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: and like doing these different things. There wasn't a hunt

969
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: that was just like go to a place where there

970
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: should be a lot of big deer and do the

971
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: fun thing. Like this was the hunt where I was

972
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: gonna go hunt this property that I've hunted in the

973
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: past that I was getting to know pretty well. I

974
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, last year, in like two days, I saw

975
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: seven mature bucks and I shot that really nice seven

976
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: point in the first night. So I said, going into

977
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: this Hunt'm like, okay, Mark, let's take your time this time.

978
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: Let's be picky. I bet you could kill like a big,

979
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: big deer out here if you just gave it time.

980
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: It's the rut in the river bottoms of Nebraska, where

981
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, anything's possible. So I was thinking, like, this

982
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: is gonna be the dream hunt. I'm bringing my decoy

983
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: in the evenings. I'm gonna put the decoy out in

984
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: these open, grassy planes and gonna rattle and call and like,

985
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: do all the stuff that actually might work in a

986
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: place like this.

987
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: I was so excited.

988
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: So that was what I kept telling myself. Every time

989
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: I'd start bumming about the Wide nine, I'd say, hey,

990
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: shake it off, You're about to have this fun hunt

991
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: like pure on an undultered fun Big bucks are gonna

992
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: do big buck things. There's not gonna be anyone out

993
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: there to mess it up for because this is private

994
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: land that I have permission to hunt now. And you know,

995
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: it's several miles of river bottom and so there's it's

996
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: just grass all around it, and then there's this river

997
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: that runs through the middle, and along that river there's

998
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: cover and the white tails hang out down by that

999
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: and they cruise up and down. I mean, as we've

1000
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: talked about the past, you couldn't ask for a better

1001
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: rut situation because you've got a built in funnel all

1002
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: along that river, and you also have visibility, so I

1003
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: can call, I can decoy, I can do all that

1004
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: stuff that works particularly well during the rut too. So

1005
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: I had a game plan going in to go back

1006
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: to the zone that i'd hunted the last two years.

1007
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: So the I had permission two years ago, I guess

1008
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: was two seasons ago and I hunted just two evenings

1009
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: at the end of a public land hunt. But on

1010
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: those two evenings I got to know a little spot.

1011
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: And then I came back last year and scouted the

1012
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: first night, hunted the next day, same zone, got to

1013
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 1: know it better, killed this buck, scouted around some more,

1014
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: put up cameras and stuff. So I'd learned some more

1015
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: that second year, and now coming back for year three,

1016
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: I had like a real game plan. You know, I knew, okay,

1017
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: this is one of the main betting areas. This is

1018
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: one of the main betting areas. This is where I

1019
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: think I can set up for a morning on day one.

1020
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: And I, you know, thought through all this on the

1021
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: drive out there, and you know, I'm thinking, you know,

1022
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: definitely holding out for like a five year old type buck,

1023
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: a big, big deer. You know, I don't know what

1024
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: that means, but like a deer that would be like

1025
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, I told myself, I'm gonna pass

1026
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: some deer, like I'm gonna pass mature bucks that are

1027
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: not giants, because this is like my only chance to

1028
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: do that every other hunt. You know, I can't I

1029
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: couldn't possibly pass up on a mature buck. But this

1030
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: might be the kind of place I could actually be picky.

1031
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: So I get there chatting with the landowner.

1032
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: Great guy.

1033
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm very, very very appreciative of him letting me hunt here,

1034
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: and you know, he was gonna let me camp out

1035
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: there on his property. So he went out and he

1036
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: showed me an area he was okay with the ca

1037
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: so I was all excited about that, And just before

1038
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: he heads out to leave, he's like, oh, and by

1039
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: the way, there's two other guys hunting. They're hunting the

1040
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: whole east side. So just as long as you don't

1041
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: cross this line, you can hunt the stuff on the

1042
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: west side. And my heart just dropped to my toes.

1043
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know what I said,

1044
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: but I think I just said what I just said

1045
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: over and over again, because all of the cover, all

1046
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: of the habitat, all of the stuff that I had

1047
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: hunted in the past, was all to the east side.

1048
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: Like that was my entire game plan, was hunting the

1049
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: east side, and basically two thirds of the property were

1050
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: now off limits to me because these other guys had

1051
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: got there first and had claimed it, and so all

1052
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: I had was the other third to the west, which

1053
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: had like very very few trees. There was cover, but

1054
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: it's just like this buckbrush kind of stuff is what

1055
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: they call it. It's just like shoulder high brush that's

1056
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: just right along the river. There's no trees, is set up,

1057
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: and I'm talking like there might be twenty yards of

1058
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: it along the river, and then otherwise it's grass and

1059
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: then there's a couple of pockets where it goes like

1060
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: on an inside bend, and maybe there's like fifty sixty

1061
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: yards of it, but I mean we're talking slim pickens.

1062
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: And I'm standing there thinking what am I going to do?

1063
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, just what am I gonna do? Like all

1064
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: of my hopes and dreams went out the window, and

1065
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm thinking, like, whoa, I won't

1066
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: have a hard time killing any deer now.

1067
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 2: So he leaves and I.

1068
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: Just like I am sitting there like my whirl falling down

1069
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: around me and my poor camera guy. I just had

1070
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: met him like half hour earlier, we just met for

1071
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: the first time, and the land on our leaves and

1072
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: I look at him like, hey, dude, this is probably

1073
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: not gonna be the first impression I'm gonna try really

1074
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: hard to stay positive. But you are seeing me in

1075
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: full blown crisis mode right now because I just came

1076
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: off this really bad day in Michigan and now my

1077
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: entire plan for this week's hunt has just gone down

1078
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: in flames. So we're gonna have to do some real

1079
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: crisis management over the next half hour or half the head.

1080
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: Hold on a second mark. So the two guys that

1081
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: were hunting out there, didn't you say they're from Michigan? Yes?

1082
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 2: Did they know that you were? That was your spot?

1083
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's not my spot, to be fair, right.

1084
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is were they aware that you were

1085
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: hunting there? Or was this just a coincidence?

1086
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: So I believe they knew I was hunting there because

1087
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: we met them last year and they had hunted a

1088
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 1: different area last year, and and then and then this year.

1089
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not trying to throw these guys under

1090
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: the bus.

1091
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: They have every right to be there, and I'm glad

1092
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: they got to hunt it and they had a great hunt.

1093
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: Did they kill a way am I?

1094
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1095
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: Did they kill big killed a real nice one?

1096
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? One one of them killed a big one.

1097
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: So you know, I wouldn't be ashamed if somebody got

1098
00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 2: out there ahead of those guys next year, huh.

1099
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 1: I have no ill will towards them, and I appreciate

1100
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: that they had a good hunt.

1101
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 2: I'm glad they had a good hunt.

1102
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: But selfishly I did feel like, oh no, this is

1103
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: this is a bummer. So all that said to what

1104
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: I think is valuable to other people listening, I had

1105
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: that happen. I had like that flood of like oh

1106
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: shit kind of feelings, and then I, as quickly as

1107
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: I could force myself to say, Okay, stop feeling bad

1108
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: for yourself, stop freaking out, Like we have to reassess, like,

1109
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: here's the cards we have, here's the cards.

1110
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 2: We've been dealt.

1111
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: The only thing we can do is like think through

1112
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: what is the situation now? Can't change past, can't control

1113
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: who else is here. All we can do is like

1114
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: analyze the situation we have and make the very best

1115
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: of it and understand, like what are the positives here?

1116
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: Like what do we have working for us? And what

1117
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: I still had working for me was that nobody had

1118
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: been hunting this section. So while there's not as much cover,

1119
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: and while I didn't know much about it, it still was,

1120
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, relatively unpressued. So that's going for me number two.

1121
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: It's still the rut that's going for me number three.

1122
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: This is still river bottom stuff. So even though the

1123
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: area that had a lot of good trees and a

1124
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: lot of good cover and next to an amazing ranch

1125
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: with tons of deer and stuff like, even though that

1126
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: was like three miles away, I still am along a

1127
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: river that still acts as a funnel and there's still deer.

1128
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: They're going to cruise up and down this that the

1129
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: deer do cover some ground, So I had to believe.

1130
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,959
Speaker 1: I just told myself, like, hey, there are still things

1131
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: going here that can.

1132
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: Work for you.

1133
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: It's still possible. You still have to follow like the

1134
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: basic principles of hunting the rock, Like, still do the

1135
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: thing you're gonna do. Instead of having like ten different options,

1136
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: you might have two now, Like I might just have

1137
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: like one spoty canon on the north side of the

1138
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: river and one spoty canon on the south side, and

1139
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: you're just gonna hunt the heck out of it and

1140
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: hunt as smart as you can and see what happens.

1141
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: That was the mindset shift I tried to have. And

1142
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: that first night, instead of going I was originally going

1143
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: to go and hang a stand for the morning and

1144
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: then hunt a different spot that first night over in

1145
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: the zone. I knew, but when this all happened, I decide, Okay,

1146
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: change of plans. Instead of doing that, I'm just gonna

1147
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: go get up on a hill with my spotting scope

1148
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: and glass this area and just learn it. So I

1149
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: brought my bow just in case something crazy happened, but

1150
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna need to learn.

1151
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: I gotta get eyes on.

1152
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: This and just see if there's deer, see how deer

1153
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: using it, See what's happening. So that's why I do

1154
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: in day one. I think this goes back to a

1155
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: major theme that we talked about after our September hunts,

1156
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: which was a theme that gets talked about a lot,

1157
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: which is just the value of learning stuff like scouting,

1158
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: whether it be through observation or on the ground. Like

1159
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: one hunt that's well informed by scouting is worth four

1160
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: blind hunts. You know. I think you and I have

1161
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: both seen that be true time and time again. So

1162
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: I knew in this case, like I'm going to sacrifice

1163
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: the night's hunt to get a really good idea of

1164
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: what's happening in this new spot. So I sat there

1165
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: on the hill my glassed, and what I saw was

1166
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: at first mostly discouraging. There was like nothing moving on

1167
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: the proper da could hunt. But I could see to

1168
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: a neighbor's property, and I did see some deer coming

1169
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: out there and feeding out on a pivot field. They

1170
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: head over there. The neighbor has a crop field. There's

1171
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: no food on the proper deck can hunt. So I

1172
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: saw a lot of deer leaving the river bottom on

1173
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: their side of the line and going.

1174
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: To the food on their side of the line.

1175
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: And then I saw one group of five doughs come

1176
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: out right on the line and head up towards that food.

1177
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, all right, there's not a lot living

1178
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: on my stuff right now or moving through, but there is.

1179
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: Food next door.

1180
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: So deer got to be cruising through my stuff to

1181
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: get to that food eventually and check or check that food,

1182
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, for does and all that. So I'm sitting

1183
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: here processing and I'm thinking, all right, there's a gotta

1184
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: be along the river, of course, Now can I find

1185
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: a tree I can get up? And I spent a

1186
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: bunch of that night glassing trees, just trying to find

1187
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: a tree that would set up to get a stand

1188
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: or a saddline, and literally tony the entire night, I

1189
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: could not find one tree that I could get a

1190
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: saddle up into where I could like confidently say from

1191
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: this view, like, oh yeah, that's a tree that would

1192
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: get me up. It was almost all like the little low,

1193
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: scrubby junk trees that like are ten foot tall and

1194
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: a thousand branches of that kind of thing. There was

1195
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: a few cottonwoods like way down by the river, but

1196
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: they're like, the way this area works is like a shelf,

1197
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: and so like the shelf right by the river, the

1198
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: shelf drops down like ten to fifteen feet and then

1199
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: there's like another layer there, and there were a couple

1200
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: of cottonwoods down the bottom layer, so I could see

1201
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,959
Speaker 1: the tops of them. I just couldn't tell like how

1202
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: much there was to work with and if I'd be

1203
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: able to get in it, because the thing is like

1204
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: if I'm going and setting up, I can't be down

1205
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: there and doing a bunch of limb trimming. So not

1206
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: only do I need to find a tree that has

1207
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: a trunk I can get up into high enough, but

1208
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: it also can't have a million branches because I can't,

1209
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, do major trimming renovations on a tree right

1210
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: in the area while I'm hunting that day, right, so

1211
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: trying to find a tree, never find a tree. So

1212
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: as the evening progresses, I'm starting to think, Okay, is

1213
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: there somewhere I could hunt on the ground tomorrow, Like

1214
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: maybe I could bring my saddle stuff with me, sit

1215
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: in the ground for the first hour or two, and

1216
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: while I'm down there on the ground, maybe I can

1217
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: get a better look at these cottonwoods from up close,

1218
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: and maybe I can find one I can get up into.

1219
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: And as I'm thinking through that, it's last light, I'm

1220
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: still glassing. I spot a single deer come off of

1221
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: my property on the other side of the river, about

1222
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: six hundred yards away, maybe something like that. Five hundred

1223
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 1: six hundred yards away. I spot a big body deer

1224
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: come out of this brush right along the river and

1225
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: kind of go up this grassy hill and cross over

1226
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: to the neighbors. And I can see it is a

1227
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: decent sized buck. It's a solid buck. I can't really

1228
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: see well enough to tell you if it's a big big,

1229
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: but it's like a decent buck. And that gave me

1230
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: a little hope. I'm like, Okay, there's a buck doing

1231
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: the thing that you would hope they'd be doing.

1232
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: That positive.

1233
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: But again on that side, there's no trees, there's no nothing.

1234
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: So I decide the next morning, I'm gonna go do

1235
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: the thing where I bring in my sticks in my saddle,

1236
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go sit on the ground. I'm gonna

1237
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: tuck myself up into a ceed or tree down by

1238
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: the river right where that shelf breaks. So I'm gonna

1239
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: sit on the top of that shelf looking down to

1240
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: that lower bit, and there's a couple like erosion ditches,

1241
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: like cuts, they go down to the river. And what

1242
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: I had seen the previous year in the other area

1243
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: is that sometimes these deer would leave the river and

1244
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: take an erosion dish like can imagine, like like a

1245
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: t junction, right, and the river bottom is the top

1246
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: of the tee. But then every once in a while

1247
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: there's this ditch or gully that goes into it at

1248
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: a ninety degree angle, and if ever they were gonna

1249
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: leave the river, they would take that out. So there

1250
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: was a couple of those that kind of angled out

1251
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: from the river up towards the crop fields on the neighbors.

1252
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 1: So I thought, hey, there's a chance that a deer

1253
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: might you know, come into the funnel through that too.

1254
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: So I got where those two met, tucked myself into

1255
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: a seater tree. The next morning, sat there on the ground,

1256
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: hoping that some people come cruising through again, thinking, you know,

1257
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: from a rough perspective, out there, hunt the funnel, which

1258
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: is the river corridor, and then be close to those

1259
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: bends in the river where there's a little bit of

1260
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: that brushy stuff where you'd hope some does would bed.

1261
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: And nothing did that. I sat there most of the morning,

1262
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: had no deer moved through it all. But late morning

1263
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: I spotted deer on the other side of the river

1264
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: again and pull up my bios and it's a tank.

1265
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: It's a big buck, and he's over on the other side,

1266
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: on the neighbor side of the line. And then a

1267
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: second buck comes out and the two of them stand

1268
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: there for a while, and the big guy starts making

1269
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: a scrape, and I tried to snort weeze, and I

1270
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: tried to grunt see if I could get this deer's

1271
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, curiosity peak to see if maybe he'd come across.

1272
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: Never did, but they were out there doing the thing,

1273
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: just kind of milling around, and then finally five doughs

1274
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: came out of this little brushy stuff he was standing by,

1275
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: and they run down cross the property line onto my

1276
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: side of the line, and go down to that same

1277
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: little patch of buck brush that the buck came out

1278
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: of the night prior. They drop in there, and then

1279
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: that big buck runs down and follows them into the

1280
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: same stuff. So I'm excited to have seen like a

1281
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: really nice buck. And he's on my side of the line,

1282
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: and he disappeared into this cover, and I washed him

1283
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: go into this brush, and then I saw him pop

1284
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: out on the other side and then disappear right back

1285
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: into it, and then nothing. And I keep on watching

1286
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: further down the river trying to see if he pops

1287
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: out of it again. I do not see him pop

1288
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: out the other side.

1289
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,959
Speaker 2: But don't think of a patch of brush as that mark.

1290
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: So if you were to imagine, you know, a snaking

1291
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: river right that's making all these spends on those inside

1292
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: curves where it goes in, that cover might be fifty

1293
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: to eighty yards wide right at the biggest portion, and

1294
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: then where the river comes back up it gets tight again.

1295
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: It might be there might be no brush, or there

1296
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: might be five or ten yards of brush, that kind

1297
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: of thing. But that basic trend continues, you know, for

1298
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: a long ways down the river. So if you were

1299
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: to add up all that brush, you know, it'd be

1300
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: it'd be quite a bit. But like the pocket he

1301
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: went to was like, you know, an acre maybe two acres,

1302
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: and then and then you know, then it's just like

1303
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: a couple of little scrubby trees. And then there might

1304
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: be another half acre of brush, and then a couple

1305
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: of scrubby trees, and then there's an acre or two

1306
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: on another bend. Like I think, it's that kind of thing,

1307
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, and it doesn't look like much, but when

1308
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: you're standing in it, it is, you know, tall enough

1309
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: that a deer could be moving through there and you

1310
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: would never be able to see him. So to the deer,

1311
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: it feels like, you know, great cover. So I saw

1312
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: him going there, I couldn't see him go out the

1313
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: other side. But at the same time, I knew like

1314
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: he certainly could just keep on going on that edge

1315
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: and I would probably never see him. About an hour

1316
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: or two later, maybe around noon, I'm still glassing over that.

1317
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: I keep on glassing that whole area, watching, watching, watching

1318
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: around noon, I see a little tiny scrubby tree in

1319
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: there start shaking doing that thing right, and I'm thinking, ooh,

1320
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: like that looks like there's a buck work in that tree.

1321
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: So it gives me another little glimmer of like hmm,

1322
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: because my big thing I was debating was is that

1323
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: buck in there and gonna hunker down with those dos

1324
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: or is he cruising two miles down the river and

1325
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: he's gone?

1326
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 2: And you know, on.

1327
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: November third or whatever this day was. You know, in

1328
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm thinking, man, it was a very high

1329
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: likelihood that buck kept on cruising and just kept on

1330
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: going and he's not going to be anywhere near here,

1331
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: but you never know.

1332
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 2: And during the rut.

1333
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what your thought is on this, but

1334
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times, if I see a buck do

1335
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: something once, you can't draw too many conclusions off of

1336
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: like a one time thing, because there can be random movements,

1337
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: there can be you know, things happen outside of the

1338
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: ordinary during the rut. But if you see something happen twice,

1339
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: I would say it goes from like a one off

1340
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: to a trend. And I didn't necessarily think that I

1341
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: had this buck patterned by any kind of me, like

1342
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: I did not go into this thinking like, oh, he's

1343
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: gonna do the same thing tonight. But I said, I

1344
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: saw buck come out of this buck brush here last night,

1345
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: and I saw buck go into that buck brush this morning,

1346
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: and I've seen nothing else. This is something like, this

1347
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: is the absolute best thing I have to work off of.

1348
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: I need to be over there where these deer moved

1349
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: through there, because there's for some reason they prefer that

1350
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: side of the river, and uh, they don't like to

1351
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: side I'm on right now, So I need to figure

1352
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: out a way to get to that side. Two problems

1353
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: with that, though. One problem was that you can't cross

1354
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: the river. It's too deep to get across the river,

1355
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: and the only way to get across the river is

1356
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: to go several miles down the river to a bridge,

1357
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: get over the river on the bridge, and then you

1358
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 1: have several miles to get back to this area where

1359
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: the deer were. Now we could deal with that, but

1360
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: we had a north wind, and this is the north

1361
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: side of the river that we want to hunt, and

1362
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: so if I were to cross the river and try

1363
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: to walk down, I would be blowing my wind into

1364
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,959
Speaker 1: all that brush. For these deer bedded, so I can't

1365
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: do that. So the game plan I have is I

1366
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: end up walking back to camp, get to the truck,

1367
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: drive the truck down a couple miles to.

1368
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: This bridge, cross the bridge.

1369
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: And then get off of the or get out of

1370
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: the truck, and then I was able to do a

1371
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: really big half moon walk so that instead of walking

1372
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: right along the you know, if I walk right along

1373
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: the river, I would spook the deer. But if I

1374
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: went like way way way north into the hills, I

1375
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: could get several of these big, big hills in between

1376
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: me and the river and hopefully not have my wind,

1377
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, be able to get down to them. So

1378
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: it's a long way away of saying I took a

1379
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,439
Speaker 1: very long walk to get way way way up winto them,

1380
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: get past them. And only once I was way past them,

1381
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: I circle back down to the river on their backside,

1382
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: and did that that afternoon, got set up over on

1383
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: that side. The issue with this spot again, there's no trees,

1384
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: so I can't hang a saddle sid I can't get

1385
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: up in the trees stand. So I was thinking about

1386
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: all this when I was sitting on the ground, thinking

1387
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: about how I was gonna pull it off. I was

1388
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: gonna have to just figure out a way to hide

1389
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: in that buck brush right by the river, so that

1390
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: with that north wind blowing, I'd be tight to the water,

1391
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: so my wind would blow straight into the water behind me,

1392
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: and hopefully that buck or some other buck doing a

1393
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: similar thing would come cruising through that buck brush step

1394
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: out of it, and then hopefully I could get a shot.

1395
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: I had to figure out a way to stay hidden

1396
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: in there. And the other thing I didn't like about

1397
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: it was it was gonna be uphill, so I was

1398
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to shoot uphill because down the river is

1399
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: the lowest point and then the hill rises from there,

1400
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: so I was gonna be lower than the deer and

1401
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: trying to figure out a way to hide myself in

1402
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: this grass and brush. So long story short, we sneak

1403
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: our way over there. The wind dies down, so it's

1404
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: like very very very quiet trying to creep in there.

1405
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm like a little part of my soul is dying

1406
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: with every step because of how crunchy everything is. Plus

1407
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 1: have a camera guy, so there's two crunches for every step,

1408
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: and we just went really slow, painstaking as much as

1409
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: we could. I actually was very frustrated because there was

1410
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: cattle in there, and there weren't supposed to be cattle

1411
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: in there, but there were. So that was like just

1412
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: kind of like bumming me out because cattle sometimes don't

1413
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: always mix well with deer. But it helped me in

1414
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: this case because I actually spooked some cattle as I

1415
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: was trying to walk in there, and I was trying

1416
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: to be really quiet, but when those cattle spooked, I thought, Okay, well,

1417
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: I'm just going to take advantage of that. I'm going

1418
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: to be a running cattle. So we just started scooting.

1419
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: As soon as those cattle started running, I started like

1420
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: half jogging to like pretend like mix my noise in

1421
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: with theirs. So I get down to the river. Then

1422
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: I spend like twenty minutes just standing there, thinking through, Okay,

1423
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: where's gonna be the best possible place to sit my

1424
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: butt down and hide? And I'm weighing, Okay, I have

1425
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: to be able to stay hidden, and I need the

1426
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: cameraman to be able to stay hidden. I need to

1427
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: also be within forty yards of where I think this

1428
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: deer is gonna pop out of this brush, and then

1429
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: there's all this tall grass, and how do I stay hidden,

1430
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: Like I want to use the grass to stay hidden,

1431
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: but then I need to be able to shoot, and

1432
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,879
Speaker 1: I need to be able to range, and this tall,

1433
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: wispy grass, as you know, is a nightmare to try

1434
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: to get a range on anything through. And it was

1435
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: gonna make getting a clear shot really hard because not

1436
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: only am I trying to use grass, but the deer's

1437
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: gonna be uphill with me, so I'm not going to

1438
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 1: have the downward advantage advantage. I'm going to be shooting

1439
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: up and so that grass is going to be even

1440
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: more challenging. So again, my cameraman must have thought I

1441
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: was nuts because I took so long to Like I

1442
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: would go to one spot and I was like, uh, yeah,

1443
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: this is good for cover, but I just don't think

1444
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: I'll be able to get a shot if he comes

1445
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: Like if he comes this way, if he comes this way, no,

1446
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna work. So I'd move five yards over

1447
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: and I'd sit here, and I'd think about, well, I

1448
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: could I hide here, where's my camera got go? And YadA, YadA, YadA.

1449
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: It took forever to do this, but I just I

1450
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: didn't like the situation. I was worried about shots. I

1451
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: was worried about us getting pegged, and I just if

1452
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: I had to be on the ground like this, I

1453
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: had to pick like the very best possible place to

1454
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: pull it off, and finally found a place that I

1455
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: thought balance those criteria. I thought I could stay hidden

1456
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: behind this tall grass, and then I had a patch

1457
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: of that buck brush right on my tail, and the

1458
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: camera guy could hide behind the buck brush and film

1459
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: around the side of it. And I had a little

1460
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: bit of a lane where there had been like a

1461
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: trail from cattle or deer or something, so you could

1462
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: shoot through this trail, or I could get up on

1463
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: my knees and kind of possibly lean around and shoot

1464
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 1: around it to where it opened up just a little bit.

1465
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: So I thought I had the best possible scenario and

1466
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: settle in, thinking to myself, like, what an idiot, You're

1467
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna sit here, You're gonna see nothing. You've got a

1468
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: thousand little cactus things stuck in your stuck in your hand,

1469
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: and YadA, YadA, YadA, like what a disaster this is

1470
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: turning out to be. And then I hear some crunching

1471
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: to my side, and I hear like a twig snap,

1472
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: and another twig snap, and like, holy crap, there might

1473
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: be a deer coming. I like get my camera guys

1474
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 1: and say, hey, focus this deer. I hear another twig snap,

1475
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: and the holy crap, there's actually a buck's gonna come

1476
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: popping out of here, cruising early afternoon because it wasn't

1477
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: like primetime yet so anything like at this time here,

1478
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's got to be a buck, and so

1479
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: I like.

1480
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: Grab my bow. I'm getting ready, and then.

1481
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,440
Speaker 1: Freaking cattle. So I'm like, ah no, I've gotten.

1482
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: All jacked up. It's just the cows again.

1483
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: So then I settled back in and sitting there waiting,

1484
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: and maybe another hour passes, and then the same thing happens.

1485
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: I get jacked up because I hear some twig snapping

1486
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,719
Speaker 1: and then you hear a move. It's the cow again.

1487
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: So this whole thing has got like up down uptown.

1488
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: We get to the last hour daylight and I hear

1489
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: a crunch, crunch over there in the branches. Again, I'm thinking,

1490
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: just a cow. I'm not going to get all jack

1491
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: eduff about it. But I'm still like on my knees

1492
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: and I'm still gonna glass.

1493
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna watch.

1494
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: So I'm looking off to my right side where this

1495
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: noise is and knowing is probably a cow. But I

1496
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: still I knew, like, one of these times it's not

1497
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: going to be a cow, so you better assume everyone's

1498
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: a deer because one of the times it won't be.

1499
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: So I'm looking over there where the sound is, where

1500
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: you know it's either a deer or a cow.

1501
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 2: And then I.

1502
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: Glanced off to my left, just by luck, I glanced

1503
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: to my left where there had been no sound. This

1504
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: is just out in the open grass, and there's the

1505
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: buck from that morning, standing broadside. He silently had materialized

1506
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: out there while I was watching for the noise in

1507
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: the brush. He's standing out there perfectly perfect. I'm like,

1508
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: holy crap, buck's right there. Holy shit. Grab my bow

1509
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: and he starts walking. He's like on a mission, like

1510
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: he's just he's cruising, moving through the quickly doing his thing.

1511
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to range and figure out what range

1512
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: she was at. And I try to pre range a

1513
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff earlier because I knew, like this is

1514
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough scenario, so I try to pre

1515
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: arrange a bunch of things. But again, like everything is

1516
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: ranging through grass, so I'm trying to like figure out, Okay,

1517
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: this little part on the hill is thirty and like

1518
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 1: if you're over there, he's forty. But long story short,

1519
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm able to get my bow get clicked on, can't

1520
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: get a range on him, gets him at thirty shoot

1521
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: and it sails right underneath his belly.

1522
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 2: And so I kind.

1523
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: Of in that moment and like collapsing down out of

1524
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: like dismay, thinking like how did you just muff another shot?

1525
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: And as I'm like dropping down in dismay, I noticed

1526
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,839
Speaker 1: that he like stopped, he'd bound it off but stopped,

1527
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: and so I crouched I'm crouched down. I see that

1528
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: he stops and he's looking back. He maybe only bounced

1529
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: off like ten yards, stops, turns and looks, and he

1530
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: starts doing the head swivel. He starts doing the head

1531
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: bob and then just stands there and stairs for a

1532
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: while and stairs for a while. And as I realized

1533
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: that he's not running off, I'm thinking like, hey, maybe there,

1534
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: maybe I have another shot here. So I reached back

1535
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: and grabbed my quiver, and I'm hiding. I'm behind this

1536
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: great grass. So I picked a spot thankfully that actually

1537
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: did hide me very well, because I'm able to get

1538
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: an arrow out of my quiver, I'm able to knock

1539
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: another arrow, I'm able to get clipped back on, and

1540
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to melt into the ground as best

1541
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 1: as I possibly can. And that buck starts walking towards me.

1542
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: So he has no idea what had happened. He never

1543
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, saw me, He never heard me. He just

1544
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: heard like a weird sound and that was it. So

1545
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: in his mind he's thinking, like, maybe there's a dough

1546
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: down there, maybe there's you know, what's going on down there.

1547
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 1: So he starts coming towards me, you know, just very inquisitively, slowly,

1548
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: takes a few steps, stops, looks around, takes another step,

1549
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: stops and looks around, and just starts closing the distance.

1550
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I shot for thirty. Later I

1551
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: ranged it, he was more like forty. So he's now

1552
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: the win from he's at forty when I shot, he

1553
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: bounded it off to fifty. And then he starts closing

1554
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: from fifty to forty, from forty to thirty, from thirty

1555
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: to twenty, coming head on at like twenty yards. And

1556
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking, okay, you cannot do anything obviously, when

1557
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: he's coming at you like this, you need to wait

1558
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: until he hopefully breaks off and starts to head back

1559
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: off where he wanted to go. And I think he

1560
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: will eventually do that if you just don't get spotted.

1561
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: So just wait.

1562
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 2: The big thing was like.

1563
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: Be patient, be patient, be patiently, don't be tempted to

1564
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: try to pull off a crazy shot in the moment.

1565
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: You have to let this deer go off.

1566
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: And so, thank goodness, somehow, by a miracle, he got

1567
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: to within maybe I don't know, fifteen yards, never could

1568
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: figure out what we were, and then turn and started

1569
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: quartering away, very slightly, heading back in the direction he

1570
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: wanted to go. And as soon as he got to

1571
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,600
Speaker 1: where he was slightly cornering away so that I was

1572
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: not fully in his frame of view, drew back, raised

1573
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: up him right behind the shoulder, and because of the

1574
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: angle that was at, because I was weighed downhill of him,

1575
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: I went through that front lung and top and like

1576
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: clipped the back of his spine and it dropped him

1577
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: right in his tracks and he died within ten seconds,

1578
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: right in front of me at twenty yards. It was nuts.

1579
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 1: It was very very intense, and I just like when

1580
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: you when you watch the footage of me after that,

1581
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: I when I turn and look back at the camera,

1582
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,799
Speaker 1: my face is just like aw, it was just pure shocked,

1583
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:33,759
Speaker 1: Like did all that just happen?

1584
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 2: I mean just crazy, crazy situation.

1585
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 6: Man.

1586
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, what uto up and down? What an up and

1587
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 2: down hunt? Huh yeah?

1588
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about it every time we have

1589
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: one of these chats, right, But it is, and you

1590
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: mentioned this last time, like, it's not only a roller

1591
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: coaster day to day, it's a roller coaster hour to

1592
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: hour during the months, or minute a minute in this I.

1593
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 2: Mean, it just is. I mean that's but that's such

1594
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 2: a I mean, I want to hear what you think

1595
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 2: the lesson was. But when I hear that, the patience

1596
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 2: to not rush that follow up shot after you've already

1597
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 2: screwed up one is the difference maker. Like when I

1598
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 2: hear that, I'm like, that's the difference between putting your

1599
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 2: tag on that deer and not, because it is so

1600
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,480
Speaker 2: hard to not push it and try to redeem yourself

1601
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 2: when he's doing that. But that's the right move, is

1602
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 2: just to let it play out till he gives he's

1603
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: when he's that close, he's probably going to give you

1604
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 2: your chance.

1605
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I think you're right. I think

1606
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: the patient it comes down to to a lot of

1607
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: like the little things that in the moment maybe seem insignificant,

1608
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: but they can you know, once every twenty times they

1609
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: matter a lot. So you know in that case, like

1610
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,440
Speaker 1: having you know, making sure that my quiver was accessible,

1611
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to shoot my quiver on, so

1612
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: I always take my quiver off. But you actually, like

1613
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: three years ago, did a little video for Wired to

1614
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: Hunt about this about the importance of like are you

1615
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: ready for a follow up shot at all times? And

1616
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: you know that's something I thought about a lot. But

1617
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: for some reason after we did that video together, I

1618
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: just always think about that every time I get set

1619
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 1: up in a new place, like double checking, like okay,

1620
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: if you have to have a follow up shot, are

1621
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: you sure that your quivers accessible? Are you sure you're

1622
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 1: at a good angle that you could reach it and

1623
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: do it? And so like I thought about that that night,

1624
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 1: I made sure, like Okay, where am I going to

1625
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: position my quiver? So if I need to carefully and

1626
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: hid and pop out another arrow, I can, So you know,

1627
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: of my last two thousand hunts. That's never mattered once,

1628
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 1: but this time it did matter. It made all the difference.

1629
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: Or another thing. I took so long to pick the

1630
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: right spot to hide on the ground, and I literally

1631
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: apologized to my cameraman. I told them, like, hey, I'm sorry.

1632
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: I know this is taking so long and you must

1633
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: think I'm nuts, but trust me, this is this might

1634
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: be important. I took so long trying to make make sure,

1635
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,799
Speaker 1: like like looking at it like a ten yard square,

1636
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: but what's the best one yard square in this ten

1637
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: yard square that might possibly give me the balance of

1638
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: cover and a.

1639
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 2: Shot and all that.

1640
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: And if I hadn't been in that perfect spot, I

1641
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: do not believe I would have killed that deer because

1642
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: he would have pegged us or I wouldn't have been

1643
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: able to get that follow up shot. So I think

1644
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: that stuff mattered a lot. So again, like the little

1645
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: details and trying to think through Like I said this

1646
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: to him that night, I said, I can't remember why

1647
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: I said this, but I think that one of the

1648
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: very most important things that white tail hunters do, like

1649
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 1: good white tail hunters, to be a good white tail

1650
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: hunter is almost all about predicting possible futures and accounting

1651
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,759
Speaker 1: for them. So it's all about, well, what if this happens,

1652
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: what will I do? And what if this happens, what

1653
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: will I do? And this is what I think might happen,

1654
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 1: So because of that, I will prepare it in this way,

1655
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: in this way, in this way. So like that whole night,

1656
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: like as we're trying to pick the right spot, I

1657
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: was then thinking through, Okay, if a deer's up in

1658
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: this spot, here's what I need to do. Here's what

1659
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 1: you need to do. If a deer pops out in

1660
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: this spot. Here's how we're going to react. If I

1661
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: need to make a move, if I need to reposition,

1662
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: like I practice, how will I reposition in this situation?

1663
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 1: And like there are all these little things that I

1664
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: try to do that most of the time don't matter,

1665
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, in this case, it did,

1666
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: And so I just think those little bits of anticipation

1667
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: and preparation, the more of those you can stack up,

1668
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: the better, because, as we've talked about, so many things

1669
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: are outside of our control, so many things can go wrong,

1670
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: so many things can be surprised when the deer does this,

1671
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: the deer does that. If the more of those possible contingencies,

1672
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: you are prepared for the better And this was one

1673
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: of the best examples of that for me.

1674
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 2: And it like to further that point when you're telling

1675
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 2: the story about how okay, well this is where I

1676
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 2: need to be. Now I need to just like I

1677
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 2: need to run through this and figure out where where

1678
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 2: here is like the acts on the ax on the ax,

1679
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: like where do I really need to be? If you

1680
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 2: don't have the confidence to saddle up, to get into whatever,

1681
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 2: to get on the ground and do a natural blind,

1682
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna find spots you absolutely should hunt and you're

1683
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 2: not gonna hunt them right, And that's I mean that

1684
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 2: buck that I killed in North Dakota we did. I

1685
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: did the same thing. I apologized to my cameraman too,

1686
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 2: because I looked at every tree, every angle, like can

1687
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,719
Speaker 2: I get a stand? Can we saddle? Can we stand

1688
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: on a limb with our saddle? Like what? And then finally,

1689
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 2: just like the best scenario here is to tuck in

1690
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 2: on the ground and pick the best spot and cross

1691
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 2: your fingers that they follow the script. But if you

1692
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 2: if you're going to force it or you're just like

1693
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 2: not that confident in a bunch of different styles of ambush.

1694
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 2: You're gonna let some of those opportunities slip through, and

1695
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 2: the only way to learn is to do them. I mean,

1696
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 2: that's that's why it's so beneficial to go on hunts

1697
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 2: like you're talking about, where you put yourself in a

1698
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: situation where you don't have like that tree cleaned up.

1699
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 2: That's you've been planning on hunting since March, you know,

1700
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 2: like when you when you have to show up and

1701
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,839
Speaker 2: the deer like we're here, now do your job. That stuff.

1702
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 2: It's it's different and it's important for your development. I think, oh, yeah,

1703
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 2: so so much.

1704
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: And it you know, that's that's a hunt I probably

1705
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't have tried ten years ago like I would have been.

1706
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: I would not have been confident enough that you know,

1707
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 1: I could pull it off. I would have been like, ah,

1708
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: well there's no trees over there, or jeez, I don't know,

1709
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna be super risky trying to get up there

1710
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:22,560
Speaker 1: and not get winded and.

1711
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 2: YadA, YadA, YadA or whatever.

1712
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: But I think to your point, putting yourself out there

1713
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: hunting new places, being willing to take risks and try

1714
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: new things, and then learning from them when they don't

1715
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 1: work out you know. All of that over many years

1716
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,720
Speaker 1: of trying this over and over and over again has

1717
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: given me the confidence to a to take the risk

1718
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: and b to believe in it enough to pay attention

1719
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: to the details, because the flip side could have been

1720
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: like I could have been willing to take the risk,

1721
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: but then have gotten there and been like, man, this

1722
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: is such a stupid idea. I'm just gonna sit somewhere

1723
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: and see what happens. But I tried really hard to

1724
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: really believe in it and really believe enough to check

1725
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:06,480
Speaker 1: all of those things, to dot all those eyes, and

1726
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: and hey, nine times out of ten you do all

1727
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: that stuff and it doesn't work out still, right, like

1728
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: I got I happened to get lucky that on this

1729
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: tenth time out of ten, this one time out of ten,

1730
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: the buck actually followed the script and I got the

1731
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: opportunity and got the opportunity for the follow up. So

1732
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: there's a lot of luck and good fortune that went

1733
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: into this, of course, But you don't get to take

1734
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: advantage of that luck and good fortune if you don't

1735
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: do all those other little things that put you in

1736
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: a position to take advantage of it. For sure, for sure, Man,

1737
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: that was That was the takeaway for me from that hunt.

1738
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: It was the you know, the little detail steck enough.

1739
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 1: It was shaking off the bad news and like believing

1740
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: in the thing, like okay, hey, like everything I thought

1741
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: I was going to do, like Plan ABC and D

1742
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 1: are gone. And I remember telling my camera guys like, man,

1743
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: bad news is I don't really have a plan B,

1744
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: Like I don't have a Plan C or D, Like

1745
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: I really was all in on this zone and I

1746
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 1: had a bunch of abcde options over in that zone.

1747
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 2: But now I'm in a.

1748
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: Totally different place miles away where I had no thoughts

1749
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: of trying to be over here. So I don't know

1750
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: what to do, but I'm gonna have to figure it

1751
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: out quick. And after that initial hour, I was like, ugh,

1752
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, it just got back down to okay, now

1753
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: what now what? And that helped in a big in

1754
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: a big way. And then finally, I think the last

1755
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: thing to think about here is you hear a lot

1756
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: about how you can't pattern deer during the rut and

1757
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: everything's random during the rut or whatever it is, YadA YadA, YadA, Right,

1758
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: And it might be true that a buck, a single

1759
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: specific buck, may not do the same thing every night,

1760
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: like he might do in September, right, But I think

1761
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: in this case, like I saw a trend, and I

1762
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: couldn't guarantee. I couldn't. I didn't know for sure if

1763
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: it was the same buck from the night before and

1764
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: that morning, and I didn't know if the same buck

1765
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: from that morning would do the same thing that night.

1766
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: But I noticed a trend and that was enough of

1767
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 1: a pattern, quote unquote pattern for me to say like, hey,

1768
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 1: I might be stupid, but I'm not that stupid, Like

1769
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 1: you gotta be over there. And and so I made

1770
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: And it was inconvenient to have to figure out a

1771
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: way to go over there and do a big hike,

1772
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: and knowing I was gonna have to hunt the ground

1773
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 1: and again, and knowing that there was the.

1774
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 2: Risk of the wind and all these things.

1775
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 1: And I had moments where I thought, well, maybe you

1776
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: should just, you know, do something different, but but every

1777
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 1: time I went back like, no, you gotta be over there.

1778
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: You have to. You saw this thing. It's you got

1779
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: to listen with the deer telling you. We say this

1780
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 1: a lot like when the deer tell you something, you

1781
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 1: have to listen, even if it's not the convenient thing,

1782
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: even if it's not the thing that lines up with

1783
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: your original plan. And that was that was this case.

1784
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: Yes it was the rut. Yes, I wasn't counting on

1785
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 1: that exact deer do the exact same thing, but hey,

1786
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: you know what he did and he's dead now. So

1787
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: that was a big lesson and reminder for me during

1788
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: the rut that when you see something like that, you've

1789
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 1: got to jump on it pretty quickly. If you know,

1790
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: there might be something like a random buck chasing a dough, right,

1791
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: and that happens in one place, and that happens someplace else,

1792
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 1: and okay, like in that situation, yeah, that's random if

1793
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: it's a completely wild, random thing like that. But when

1794
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: you see like a cruising buck do something and then

1795
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: a cruising buck do the same thing again, they're telling

1796
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: you something about that area, like they're cruising through there

1797
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 1: for a reason. You got to listen to that.

1798
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 2: You gotta move on that. That's that's such an important

1799
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 2: distinction to make. A chase is just different. But cruising

1800
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 2: is reliable. And what one buck does to cruise, he's

1801
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 2: doing because there's advantages to it, and it's point A

1802
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 2: to B and he's got the wind in the right

1803
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 2: situation and he knows where he's going and other bucks

1804
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 2: know that so valuable to see.

1805
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was my hunt, man, That's awesome, dude.

1806
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wild.

1807
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: It was unexpected many ways, but I appreciate it if

1808
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 1: they ended well. And uh yeah, I wrapped up things

1809
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: and hopped in the truck and drove home and right

1810
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: away got back after the Wide nine. I was hoping,

1811
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, thinking he'd be back, and so hunted another

1812
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: three days for him, like I told you, and got

1813
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 1: in all there around his core area again, like thinking,

1814
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: just be around this major area that he spent most

1815
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 1: of his life and be in the dough betting areas

1816
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: and be on the edge of that stuff, and if

1817
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: he's there, he'll show. And he did not, So now

1818
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm waiting, and went hunted a new farm

1819
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: because I eventually decided I was gonna wait to hunt

1820
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: the Wide nine until he shows back up. So I

1821
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 1: went hunted a different spot where I was after a buck.

1822
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: There's a pretty nice deer over there, kind of a

1823
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: funky titan tall deer. And the only interesting encounter I

1824
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 1: had with him, I think, is the one that I

1825
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: told you about. In the beginning where I saw him

1826
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: runnerunerneath another other hunter and then another hunter came in

1827
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff.

1828
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: So that's kind of where I'm in.

1829
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 1: That's the only other deer in Michigan that I would shoot.

1830
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: So I'm just kind of in a holding pattern a

1831
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: little bit waiting for of the Y nine to show

1832
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 1: back up or to you know, try to get a

1833
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: crack at this other deer and a little bit of

1834
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 1: a lost puppy feeling at the moment.

1835
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 2: But I got to try to practice what I preach and.

1836
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: Keep on keeping on and and uh, you know.

1837
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 2: See what You've been a running cow and a lost

1838
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 2: puppy in the same podcast, Buddy.

1839
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's hunting season, Tony. Anything's possible. So really quick,

1840
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: we got to wrap this up. But I want to

1841
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: take like just a couple of minutes here for you

1842
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: to give me a quick rundown of your thoughts for

1843
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 1: gun season hunting. I think you did a Foundations episode

1844
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: about this this week that we should we should tease

1845
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 1: for people, but give us like a real quick cliff notes.

1846
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: If folks have a gun season opening or that just

1847
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: opened and now they're dealing with the ramifications of that.

1848
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: What's a few things people should be thinking about because

1849
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: that's happened in a bunch of states right now.

1850
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: Man, I think the number one secret to being a

1851
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 2: better gun hunter is not hunting like most gun hunters like,

1852
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 2: get in the cover, get off the easy views. You know,

1853
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 2: think if you think about your gun hunting setups from

1854
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 2: a bow hunter's perspective, as far as the wind and

1855
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 2: why they should be there, and you forget that you

1856
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 2: have a gun that you can shoot three hundred yards

1857
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 2: with and you want to be able to see three

1858
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 2: hundred yards in every direction. When you start thinking about

1859
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 2: what does the deer need? Right now? When half a

1860
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 2: million people go into the woods, it's always going to

1861
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 2: be in the cover, unless unless you just have a

1862
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 2: banging spot. But if you know, if you're primarily hunting,

1863
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 2: your crossing your fingers, do something different. Get in where

1864
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 2: it's tighter, where your shots are, you know, forty fifty

1865
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 2: sixty yards whatever, not this not just reach out and

1866
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 2: touch them on the power line and go hunt where

1867
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 2: those deer are going to go, you know, like that

1868
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 2: that field edge stuff, the open clearcut stuff's great maybe

1869
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 2: opening day, but after that they're pretty clued into what's

1870
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 2: going on, and it's time to get into the into

1871
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 2: the thick stuff. I think. I think that's like the

1872
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 2: the hardest thing for gun hunters to do, but probably

1873
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 2: the most important by the time you're on day two

1874
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:04,679
Speaker 2: of the season.

1875
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty tough to have a three hundred yard

1876
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: range but only be able to shoot thirty yards. But

1877
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: to your point, probably the better option if you are

1878
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 1: in a couple days into the season and after a

1879
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: deer that's not completely brainded. Yep, all right, man, I

1880
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,640
Speaker 1: think that's a good place to leave things. Do you

1881
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: remember the name of that podcast that you did that's

1882
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: all about gun season?

1883
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:34,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. It dropped the fourteenth week. Yeah, yeah,

1884
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 2: I don't remember what the title was.

1885
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: Something about like being your best orange clad self or something.

1886
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,759
Speaker 2: How to be yourself? Yeah, I can't remember.

1887
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you want some more advice for being

1888
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: more effective hunter during gun season, go listen to Tony's

1889
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: episode from last week on Foundations and Well that Tony

1890
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: appreciates you joining me man, sharing your story. Congrats and

1891
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: the buck, congrats to your daughter, and and I hope

1892
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: that in another couple of weeks we will both have

1893
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 1: another buck or two down to do another one of these.

1894
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep on keeping on and maybe maybe you'll

1895
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 1: have a couple of pheasants down and I'll have a

1896
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 1: buck down.

1897
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have both, buddy, I'm gonna I'm gonna have

1898
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 2: some roosters down, and I'm gonna see what I can

1899
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 2: do about killing a public land muzzle or buck here

1900
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 2: in just a little bit too, so we'll have some

1901
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 2: more to talk about here in a couple of weeks.

1902
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 1: All right, sounds good man, And to all of you listening,

1903
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: appreciate you tuning in. Best of luck out there as

1904
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 1: we round out on November, as you maybe are kicking

1905
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,879
Speaker 1: off gun season or late season.

1906
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 2: Which is quickly approaching here. We'll be talking about that soon.

1907
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: All of it is great and good and fun and

1908
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 1: write for opportunity. So thanks for being here, thanks for

1909
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 1: being a part of this community, and stay wired to hunt.