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Speaker 3: And welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast, presented by Priesticks.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Samantha Pervidi.

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Speaker 1: How, how's dual sport life going for you?

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Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves. My grandmother in the nineties after my grandfather

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Speaker 3: to our favorite segment, playhold drop, where we put on

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Speaker 1: So why don't you hit me with the first list

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Speaker 2: All right, let's start with our quarterbacks for this week.

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Speaker 2: So we've got three quarterbacks. One of them I think

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Speaker 1: Did that magic burrito, whatever it did to aj Brown,

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Speaker 2: Let's let's be honest, all right, Yeah, let's let's hit

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Speaker 1: All these guys are so droppable right now?

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Speaker 2: will keep Jeery McNichols for a week and see what

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00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: it looks like and cut Denis Johnson. But you know,

433
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 2: put them into a blender and see what comes out.

434
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 2: All right, Receiver, we have a little bit more palatable

435
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 2: names here. So we've got Emmanuel Sanders, JA Kobe Myers,

436
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: and DeVante Smith. What do you think PhD for those three?

437
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 3: So Sanders is the locked in startup play or starter

438
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 3: for me. He had a kind of off game for sure,

439
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: and it was more like the cold Beasley game. But

440
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: this is a really good bounced back spot against Jacksonville.

441
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 3: I think that he is in a league of his

442
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 3: own compared to these two guys. So Myers is just

443
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 3: he's getting targets, he's not doing anything with them. He

444
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 3: like can't find the end zone to save his life.

445
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 3: It's a difficult matchup against Carolina who are allowing these

446
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: second fewest passing yards in the NFL. So and then

447
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: Devanta Smith, I want to believe in DeVonta Smith, Like,

448
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 3: I still have hope for him because I think that

449
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 3: he has so much more potential than Myers. I would say, like, yeah,

450
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 3: there are limiting factors, mostly being Jalen Hurts and the

451
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 3: Eagles offense. But I'm probably folding on to Smith and

452
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 3: I would drop Jacoby Myers. He's not interesting to me.

453
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 3: He's like a guy that you might get seven points

454
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 3: from every week, but like, I'd.

455
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: Rather at least have the other guys that have touched

456
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: down upside.

457
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it depends maybe a little bit on

458
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: your league format, if it's a full PPR, if it's

459
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 2: a deep league where you're actually having to start like

460
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 2: four receivers every week once you add in the flex positions.

461
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: Now Jacoby Myers is valuable because his sixty eight targets

462
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: for the season that's over, you know, eight and a

463
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: half a game. I think, so he's getting catches. He's

464
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 2: gonna put up like four catches forty or fifty yards

465
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: a week. That's a high floor. It fills a lineup

466
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: spot if you're in a deep league, if it's PPR,

467
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: you're getting eight nine points, that's not nothing. You know,

468
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: we just talked about Kenneth Gainewell and Jeremy mc nichols

469
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: for three minutes. So I'd much rather played Jakobe Myers

470
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: than those guys. But you know, it's literally a joke

471
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 2: at this point, like actually a joke that's Scott Hansen

472
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: makes every week NFL Red Zone about how Jacoby Myers

473
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: just can't get into the end zone and score a touchdown.

474
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 2: He's not a red zone threat, so yeah, you're not

475
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: losing a lot. Myers is the exact sort of guy

476
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 2: that I don't roster in leagues usually because I just

477
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: don't really need those kind of back end, high floor,

478
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: no ceiling guys. If it's a deeper league, that changes

479
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: a little bit. But yeah, I like him, but he's

480
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: not doing much, so I think Manny Sanders is the

481
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: play just because he's the most consistent guy right now.

482
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: He's getting like three or five catches a week fifty

483
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: to seventy yards Buffalo, So nice matchup. The Jaguars are

484
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: last in the NFL and passing dvo at defense, so

485
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: definitely that's the play for the week. DeVante Smith, We've

486
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: talked about him. I like him. He's not super playable

487
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 2: right now, but he's also got upside, So if I'm

488
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: gonna hang on to him rhager of Kobe Myers, I'd

489
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: hang on to the upside. So I'm with you on

490
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: this one. Same three at play Manny, I would keep

491
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 2: Davante and begrudgingly dropped to Kobe Myers, but I think

492
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: I'd probably try to find a way to keep him

493
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: around just in case.

494
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: Let us do our final set, all right.

495
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: Tight end, We've got CJ Ozama, how I learned this week.

496
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: That's how we say CJ Lozama, not Uzoma. He had

497
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: a whole video this week that came out like after

498
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 2: his big game a week ago. They did a whole

499
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: social media thing for him. So CJ. I apologize DJ Lizama.

500
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: At the Bengals Noah Fant and Dan Arnold one of

501
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: those hot new names from the Jaguars. What do you

502
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: think about Arnold? Is he in this mix for you?

503
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 3: This is so difficult because it's one a really bad matchup.

504
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 3: I know he's coming off of a monster game where

505
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: he had like a million targets.

506
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: This Jags offense is just so unpredictable.

507
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: Like we literally talked up Marvin Jones for like two

508
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: of the mail bag questions last week, and I was saying,

509
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: like he's consistent and blah blah blah, and then it's

510
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 3: like the Dan Arnold's game, of course it is, and

511
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 3: the Jamal Agnew game because of course it is. So

512
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: I just like, I don't really trust Arnold. I actually

513
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: like feel like he's a serviceable streamer if you need him.

514
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: But I'm actually fine with dropping him this week. In

515
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 3: a really really tough matchup, I would hang on to Fan.

516
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 3: I know he's like banged up, and I just think

517
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 3: that the upside is there in Newzama. I think he

518
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 3: did have an off week after I finally got on

519
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 3: the Zama train, picked him up in a lot of places,

520
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 3: and of course he was a dad last week.

521
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of weird things happened in that game.

522
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: The Jets won a game, So anytime that happens, I

523
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: think it's just a weird game. I still think he

524
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 3: is a major part of this offense remains touchdown dependent,

525
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 3: but so are most tight ends. So and I think

526
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 3: Cleveland's defense is exploitable. So I would probably say play Uzama,

527
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 3: hold on to Fant and I'm okay with dropping Arnold.

528
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw an article a day or two ago,

529
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: and I fell for the clickbait headline. I can't believe

530
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: I fell for the clickbait, but there was something like,

531
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 2: here is a tight end that you can pick up

532
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: in your fantasy league and just play for the rest

533
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: of the season. I was like, I don't think there's

534
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: any people like that available. Who is that? And it

535
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: was Dan Arnold? And yeah, I don't think so Dan Arnold.

536
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: So I looked into it. You know, he's doing stuff.

537
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: The last three games, a snapdown is up all out.

538
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: He's at sixty two percent on one of them, seventy

539
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: plus on the other two. He's had twenty three targets

540
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: the last three games, fourteen catches one hundred and fifty

541
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: nine yards. It's not nothing. It's also not everything or

542
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: many things. It's a thing. It's a thing that's happening.

543
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: Good for Dan Arnold. You know, Trevor Lawrence is gonna

544
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: throw the ball, he's gonna spray around and get some guys.

545
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: So he's a guy that's thrown to his tight end.

546
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: A lot like that was at Clems. When you watch him,

547
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: a lot of tight end action, a lot of short passes.

548
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: So I don't hate Dan Arnold. These three guys, to

549
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: me are just like they're they're they're the same thing.

550
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: They're they're all three. Maybe you hope you get forty

551
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: yards in a touchdown, maybe you get one catch for

552
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: ten yards. We're about at the point of the season

553
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: where I would especially be looking at tight end, you know,

554
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: like one of those little grids with tight end matchups

555
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: and who are the teams? You know, some teams just

556
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: don't cover tight ends very well, and you have to

557
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: be careful early in the season because like, oh, you're

558
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: terrible against ted ends. No, you played Travis Kelce, so

559
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: that was why your numbers are bad against ted ends.

560
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: But eight weeks in, like those charts actually are pretty

561
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: helpful at this point. So to me, these guys are

562
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: all there. Nobody here is somebody that I'm like begging

563
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: to keep on roster. Fant Douzama, Arnold. It's all just

564
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: look at the matchup, find the best matchup there and

565
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: play it. So yeah, I don't think that. You know,

566
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: we talked last week to the Zama and maybe he's

567
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: so high on him and get a trade. Nobody's trading

568
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: for Isama. Let's let's be real, like you're not getting

569
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: much for him, like a borderline ted m starter. So

570
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just streaming these guys. I'm not

571
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: hanging on to them. If I need a roster spot,

572
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna play whoever looks good in the matchup.

573
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

574
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: Just looking quickly, it looks like may have the best

575
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: matchup down down the line of the three. So take

576
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: that as you will, Arnold, I'm just saying, yeah. I mean,

577
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: it's just to me, it's the inconsistency of the offense

578
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: spool where urban Meyer's brain is at any given time,

579
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: and then it's the matchup for me. So that's why

580
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: I am okay with probably throwing him back on the

581
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: waiver wire, and he'll probably be there next week.

582
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: So he's just a guy that I'm okay with, like

583
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: parting with and whatever.

584
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: I agree that I feel like has the athleticism and upside.

585
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the quarterback or necessarily coaching or whatever,

586
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: but he does have at least more upside I think

587
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: than the other guys.

588
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think, to me, these names once once you

589
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: get outside of the top like five or six tight ends.

590
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: To me, tight end is just defense. Like I'm one streaming,

591
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: like if if I have one of the top names

592
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: like tight end, for me is either set it and

593
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: forget it, like that's the goal. Get somebody in my

594
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: lineup so I never have to think about it. And

595
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: I know they're still going to have an off game

596
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: every now and then, but just play it and move on.

597
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: Or if it's not, then I'm going to complete other

598
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: end of the spectrum like I do with defense and

599
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: just get rid of it every week, find the right matchup,

600
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: pick a guy, and hope that you get lucky with it.

601
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: So I think that's where all three of these guys

602
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: fall for me, is just get the matchup if you

603
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: can otherwise move on with things.

604
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: Cool, Well, let us move on to some questions.

605
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: I know we are a little bit long winded, so

606
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: we'll kind of keep the question answers a little shorter

607
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: than usual.

608
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have a lot of questions about Derrick

609
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: Henry too, so I think that we will be getting

610
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: some similar discussions here. So start out from William does Hi, Samantha.

611
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: So I just lost Derrick Henry, didn't we all? Derrick

612
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Henry seems to be gone and not coming back anytime soon.

613
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: So here's where William's at He's got aj Dillon and

614
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: Javonte Williams, which he knows is not going to cut it.

615
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of good receivers Justin Jefferson, Ceedee Lamb, Deebo, Samuel,

616
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: Great Start, Michael Pittman, Devontae Smith, Jameson Crowder. So he's

617
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: wondering what really he should do here. He's got offers

618
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 2: for guys like Zach Moss or James counter coming in.

619
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: He's being offered those guys for one of Jefferson, Lamb

620
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: or Samuel, but feels like he's reading more for them.

621
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, Yes, So where does Will go with this team?

622
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: What does he do to solve the running back issue?

623
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: Well, you obviously need to make a trade.

624
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: Well, but I I mean, don't let it desperation smell

625
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: from you know, from ten miles away, Like you cannot

626
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: sell Jefferson, Lamb or Samuel, who are all wide receiver

627
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: ones rest of season for a guy like Moss or Connor.

628
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: They are both serviceable RB twos.

629
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: I think they will finish top twenty four at their positions.

630
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: Connor has been getting a ton of goal line work.

631
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: Moss is at least more consistent than Devin Singletary, So

632
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: there's that, but I think you're selling way, way, way

633
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: low on those receivers.

634
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: So especially I hate it.

635
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: I would probably say, like, the guy that you may

636
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: want to put on the block is Michael Pittman. I

637
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: really like him rest of season, but that said, you

638
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: may be able to kind of like sell a little

639
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: high on him right now just since he's looked so

640
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 3: phenomenal now he might actually be that phenomenal rest of season.

641
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: But I just don't know what you would get for

642
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: DeVonta Smith or Javison Crowder, Like I don't think you're

643
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: getting a startable running back in exchange for one of

644
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: those guys. And then I definitely don't think you should

645
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: be trading Justin Jefferson or Ceedee Lamb unless you're getting

646
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: a RB one in exchange. And then Deo Samuel you

647
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: probably can't deal right now because he's banged up. So

648
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: there's kind of a number of things, even Justin Jefferson,

649
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: like you're selling low in him after one stinky game.

650
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: So I think that you just need to send out

651
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: some better trade offers and reject those because I would

652
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: cry on your behalf if you took Zack Moss in

653
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: exchange for Justin Jefferson.

654
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we made a lot of Jefferson and Moss comparisons

655
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years. But that's Randy Moss

656
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: that we're doing comparison to and not Zach. So yeah,

657
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: not the right trade for me. I actually would go, well,

658
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: here's the main thing you need to be well, you

659
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: need to be proactive and make trade offers like getting

660
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: a Zach Moss that did nothing to your season, Like

661
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: that didn't move the needle. You know, the names that

662
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: he currently has, it's not really going to improve a

663
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: whole lot. So he's tore. Whoever you're trading Pittman for

664
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: I think is going to be a little better, but

665
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: not enough to me. If if you're trying to make

666
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 2: a big move to save the season with Henry out,

667
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: and I think that that's fair, I think I'd rather

668
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: do a big move, so I would be looking. I'd

669
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: be proactive. I would say, Okay, what running backs do

670
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: I want a start at the top of the list.

671
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: I want Austin Eckler, great, So does everybody start with

672
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: that and offer your best receiver here I lost Henry,

673
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: here's my best receivers. I'll give you any one of

674
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: them for Echeler. Are you interested? He probably says no,

675
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: But you never know if you don't ask. That's what

676
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 2: we're learning on this one too. So I would start

677
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: high on those running backs and work my way down,

678
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: not start on the bottom, and see if you can

679
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: get something better. So yeah, I think I don't mind

680
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: trading one of these stars here and using the depth

681
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: to your advantage. I would rather do that, I think,

682
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: than trade the depth for something that's not going to

683
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: move the needle too much for me.

684
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I mean I like that approach too

685
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: as well. I think if you're going to maybe shop

686
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: some one, maybe CD Lamb might be the good guy

687
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: to shop, just because I don't know if people are

688
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: going to overreact to one bad game from Justin Jefferson

689
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: and maybe you're not getting full value for him is

690
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: the only thing, so maybe shop him and then, like

691
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: I said, with Samuel, that might be a little harder

692
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 3: to shop him, but he's been phenomenal this season, so

693
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: hopefully that is not a serious injury and you can

694
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: get by with Jefferson, Samuel and Pittman as your three receivers.

695
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: And I would be super stoked if that was my

696
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: receiving core.

697
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, definitely, yeah, explore those avenues at all.

698
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: Here's another little trade trick that I like to do too.

699
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: Don't be afraid to offer a couple of deals, like

700
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: get cde Lamb or Justin Jefferson out there, even if

701
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: it's a deal that you know they're probably gonna reject,

702
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: like a deal, you know, Austin Eckler for one of

703
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: those guys, They're not going to take that deal. Get

704
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: those offers out there, because what if Justin Jefferson has

705
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: a huge game this week, every person who had a

706
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: chance to get him and didn't and click the no

707
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: button gonna have a little like buyer's remorse or non

708
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: buyer's remorse of like, oh man, did I just have

709
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: an offer for that guy? Like I love to just

710
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: get offers out there, like here's the guy you could

711
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: have had you said no, look at the big game

712
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: that he had. Because sometimes those people come back the

713
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: next week and are willing to talk on a deal

714
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: that they might not have otherwise. So that's just a

715
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: little thing I like to do, kind of you know,

716
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: put a little blood in the water a little bit.

717
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: See if people come running back. Sometimes, All right, let's

718
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 2: go to a han. I'm not sure if I'm saying

719
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: that right, but there is it time to give up

720
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: on Antonio Gibson. He's clearly talented, but only get thirty

721
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: three percent of the snaps in Week eight despite being

722
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: off the injury report for the first time since Week three.

723
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: So what do you think on Gibson? Are you out

724
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: on him this year?

725
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: Depends on what you mean by give up on I

726
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: am not dropping him. I think he would be snatched

727
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: up in a second. He is a rest of season

728
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: RB two I think, which obviously that's not something that

729
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 3: you're having about if you drafted him as an RB one.

730
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: But that said, like, there's not a lot of RB

731
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 3: two caliber dudes rest of season just floating around on

732
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: your waiver wires. So I'm benching him, probably like against

733
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: Tampa off the buy or even against Carolina. I if

734
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: you have better options, I understand benching him.

735
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: But then he has a cakewalk schedule.

736
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: After that, it's Seattle, Las Vegas, Dallas, Philly, Dallas again,

737
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: and then Philly again and then the Giant if you

738
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 3: happen to play until Week eighteen.

739
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: But we're not going to talk about those people, so

740
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: stay the course. I don't think.

741
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you obviously get trade him at his absolute

742
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: ned dear, so you might as well ride it out.

743
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: I think he is absolutely still worth a spot on

744
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: your bench. Yes, he was off the injury report, but

745
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 3: I don't know how much that really means because obviously

746
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: he's not one hundred percent.

747
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: I think it's.

748
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 3: Something that could heal over the season, and the schedule

749
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: is good and the talent is good. So I'm not

750
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: dropping him for like a guy like Jeremy McNichols or

751
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 3: something like that.

752
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I agree with what you said. I think

753
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: even though Gibson is off the injury report, it seems

754
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: relatively clear that you know, all the stuff that he's

755
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: got going on with his leg and everything seems like

756
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: it's still bothering him and limiting the snaps, even if

757
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily going to cost him, you know, actual

758
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: game time or game to game time. So yeah, I

759
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: think you just have to write it out and play him.

760
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: I can't imagine the spot where he's droppable. He's too

761
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: valuable for that. I also don't know that I would

762
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 2: be targeting him in trades. As a BILO guy either.

763
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: Even with the schedule, I think you're just kind of

764
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: stuck writing it out at this point with him, all right,

765
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: from Tommy. Tommy wants to know do I trade Lockett

766
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: Tyler Lockett for Elijah Mitchell. He's another one who needs

767
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: to replace Derrick Henry here, so he's got cop, Judy

768
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: and Pittman as his receivers besides Lockett. What do you

769
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: think about your guy, Mike, Kyle Shanahan Elijah Mitchell.

770
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: I actually like this trade for a number of reasons.

771
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: Your needs obviously, but first, your receivers are really solid,

772
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 3: and I think you can do without Locket. Mitchell is

773
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: a stud and should be a high end Are we

774
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 3: two rest of season? In my opinion, even when Jeff

775
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: Wilson gets back, I think we have seen seen Kyle

776
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: Shanahan pull shanahanigans in the past, but we've also seen

777
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 3: him commit to guys like Raheem Moster and give them

778
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: a lot of carries. And I think this is a

779
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 3: team that will be running a lot anyway. They like

780
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 3: to run, they like to utilize O their running backs,

781
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: So Jeff Wilson will be sprinkled in if he ever

782
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: gets back lock It. On the other hand, to me,

783
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: is a cell high which me maybe counterinto. I mean,

784
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: obviously he had a really good game last week with

785
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 3: Gino Smith.

786
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: Weird, and it.

787
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 3: May be counterintuitive because Russ is coming back and you're like, wait,

788
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 3: hold on, I literally held on to lock It through

789
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: the Geno Smith period and you're telling me to sell

790
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: him now when Russ is coming back. I just think

791
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: he's like a boomer Bus type guy, no matter who

792
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: the quarterback is.

793
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: And it's weird.

794
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 3: It's not like a he's not like a DeShawn Jackson

795
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: guy where he's like, oh, he might get the one

796
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: like seventy yard catch and a touchdown type thing. It

797
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: just like happens to be that it is a Tyler

798
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: Lockett game or isn't a Tyler Lockett game. He might

799
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: get ten targets and he might get one, and that

800
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: is concerning for me. So I think he's a fine

801
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: wide receiver to rest of season. But since you really

802
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: need a running back if you lost Derrick Henry, I

803
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: think this trade makes sense.

804
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

805
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: I like Elijah Mitchell. He's a nice trade target if

806
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: you're if you're looking for a guy, he's the sort

807
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: of guy. You know, every year we get down to

808
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: that last like six weeks and there's a few names

809
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: where it's the top ten running backs over that stretcher,

810
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: You're like, wait, who this guy who wasn't even drafted

811
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: in my league? Elijah Mitchell looks like that sort of

812
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 2: player to me, Like he could be a guy that booms.

813
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: Here's my question, So I like, I like targeting him.

814
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: So Tommy has Cooper cop obviously not going to trade him.

815
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: But between Lockett, Judy, and Pittman, let's say that the

816
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: Elijah Mitchell guy has said, I just need a receiver.

817
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: Which receiver? Just give me one of your receivers for Mitchell.

818
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,479
Speaker 2: Is Lockett the one of those guys that you would

819
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: trade or would you rather trade one of the others

820
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: if you could.

821
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: I might trade Judy only because of my concerns about

822
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: the Denver offense. Pittman, I'm I've been very high on

823
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: and Locket at least I think has a little higher upside. Judy,

824
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm not sure is one hundred percent from the ankle thing.

825
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't have a fantastic return from from injury,

826
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 3: so I guess it would have to be it would

827
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: be Judy for me if I had to drop one

828
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: of them. But that said, I mean, I'm happy with

829
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: Judy as one of my receivers. I think he's like

830
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: high end wide receiver three rest of season.

831
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on that. That's my only

832
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: hesitation on this deal is I'm a little higher I

833
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: think than you and Tyler Lockett. I would rather hang

834
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: on him if I could. You don't get to make

835
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: choices when you lose Derek Henry and have to make

836
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 2: a deal. If you do have the choice, I agree.

837
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: I think I would probably rather have Lockett I think,

838
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: than Judy. And even then Pittman, I can like him.

839
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: With Wilson looking like he should be back now, so

840
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: he's not a must hold. If you have to trade

841
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: him to get Elijah Mitchell, then you've got to deal.

842
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: You know, you got to take some chances sometimes. But yeah,

843
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: I think Judy would rather trade if it's an option.

844
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: So it's you know, Elijah is a good, good target

845
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: for him. All right, let's go to Jason. Jason asks,

846
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: is there any real reason to keep holding Chris Carson?

847
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: A lot of Seahawks questions today. Would Jeff Wilson be

848
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 2: a better ir stash, and he's a second question. Let's

849
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: start with that. So what do you think hold on

850
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: to Chris Carson or would you rather have Jeff Wilson.

851
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: I think I'd rather have Chris Carson. I know, so

852
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: at first the outlook was very pessimistic. There was like

853
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: a chance that he could miss the rest of the season,

854
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: but now they're saying that he could return sooner. I

855
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 3: think he is I mean, he's not the sexiest name

856
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 3: for fantasy, but he's offering some if both of them

857
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: being healthy, he offers me much more upside than Jeff

858
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: Wilson does, especially with the way Elijah Mitchell and playing.

859
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 3: So I think that Carson is at least a better

860
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: bench jesh, because like these IR stashes, you don't want

861
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: to be stashing like a guy who, one he's healthy,

862
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: is maybe an RB three like you want to be

863
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 3: stashing a guy that at least has a little more

864
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: upside than that. So that's where I would go. I

865
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: would probably go Carson and over Jeff Wilson in the

866
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: IR slot.

867
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, I agree, there's there. To me,

868
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of upside to Jeff Wilson. Like

869
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 2: what you said, like there's there's nothing much to hang

870
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: on to. If he comes back and is healthy and

871
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: gets some touches for a few games, now you pick

872
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: him up, but there's really not a lot to hold

873
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: on to there. So you're right, Chris Carson is not

874
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: a sexy name, but neither is Ryan. We get a

875
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: lot of messages from him each time we do this,

876
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: so I would hang on to Chris Carson. Hope that

877
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: Seattle bounces back a little bit here Part two of

878
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: Jason's questions other than Hunter Renfro, are any other Raiders

879
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: receivers worth rostering in a ten team PPR league? What

880
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 2: do you think?

881
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean?

882
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: Brian Edwards definitely comes to mind. He is a guy

883
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: that before the buy had a touchdown, and I think

884
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: he's a sexy name in the in the fantasy community,

885
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: everyone wants it to be Brian Edwards season, and he

886
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: could have the opportunity now that there are a lot

887
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: of targets freed up here. So I think in a

888
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 3: ten team league that's tough because that is extremely shallow.

889
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: There's a good chance that he's just like floating around.

890
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: He's just a guy.

891
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: But if there's going to be someone, obviously at Edwards,

892
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: and I would consider it if you if you just

893
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: have the space. I don't know what your bench situation

894
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: looks like. But he is also an upside play. I

895
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: think just with the.

896
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: Raiders offense have being very pass heavy and Derek Carr

897
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 3: playing really well, so I'm going to go with Brian Edwards.

898
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Edwards is the guy. He's probably a

899
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: spot start sort of guy. Like I don't know that

900
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: I would stash him and keep him around. I don't

901
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: hate it, but he's a guy that's going to kind

902
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 2: of sit on the edge of my roster or off

903
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: of labors. But I don't mind picking him up if

904
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: you got to get matchup for the week or if

905
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: you you know, need a buy week billunder that sort

906
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: of thing. I think he's probably the other guy to

907
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: keep an eye on.

908
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, should we move on to our prize picks.

909
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: Let's do it all right?

910
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: So next up here is our early entry segment where

911
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: we dive into the price pick that's built some entries.

912
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Speaker 3: Since I we I mean Brandon, Brandon is going to

913
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Speaker 3: identify some markets he likes. You guys are going to

914
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: build your own prize pick entries and all of us

915
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: have a little fun and make the money. But anyway,

916
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Speaker 3: we are going to look at some Thursday night place

917
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: for week nine on Prize Picks.

918
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Speaker 1: Hit us with what you like, Brandon.

919
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: All Right, Thursday night we got the Jets, Mike White's

920
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 2: New York Football Jets. Let's go so hilariously Mike White

921
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: has if you throw a number of attempts, Mike White

922
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: is like the MVP of the NFL right now, Like

923
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: if you're looking at quarterback metrics. I looked at the

924
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: chart of his like PPA and completion percentual recomplication, like

925
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: all the Nerds numbers. If you put all the NERD

926
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Speaker 2: numbers together, Mike White is like off the edge of

927
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: the chart, like you can barely even fit his dot

928
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: on there. And then you're like you come back a

929
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: little ways and zoom out, and you're like, oh, okay,

930
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: there's Tom Brady, and there's Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes and

931
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: then all the rest of the guys and then Mike

932
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: White just out there by himself. So yeah, let's let's

933
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: just say that that probably was a one game thing.

934
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: We're very happy for you, Mike White. We had a

935
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: lot of fun. I posted a lot of Survivor Gifts

936
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: on Sunday enjoining Mike White. He was the name of

937
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: a contestant a few years ago. Yes, the same guy

938
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: that was the White Lotus director. So my take on

939
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 2: this game is that we're probably not getting that Mike

940
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: White again. We're probably not getting that Jets team again.

941
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: So I'm going heavy on a running back for each

942
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 2: team in this game. So I'll start with the Jets.

943
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: We're talking about Mike White. He last week, despite the efficiency,

944
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: his average depth of target was only three point five yards.

945
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: This is a check down machine, and credit words to

946
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson wasn't doing that. But what we've seen right

947
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: away is that those running backs are catching a ton

948
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: of passes for the Jets right away, and I think

949
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: the game script is going to favor that happening again.

950
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: The Jets are double the underdogs here. I think that

951
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: they're not going to overcome that this week. They're probably

952
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: going to be behind a lot in this game. So

953
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: that's the script I'm playing here. And I want a

954
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: lot of Michael Carter in my lineup this week. So

955
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: Michael Carter has had some big games last week. We

956
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: get ninety catches for ninety five yards. A week before that,

957
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: he had eat catches for sixty seven yards twenty three

958
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: targets those two weeks. Again, he's getting these targets. He's

959
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, Mike White is getting him the ball in

960
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: these short, you know, passes and then letting Carter do

961
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 2: things from there. He's making him look good. So why

962
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: would you stop doing that? So I am playing Michael

963
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: Carter three different ways this time Michael Carter the third. Yeah,

964
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: that seems like the thing. Let's do that. So I'm

965
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: taking Michael Carter over four and a half receptions again,

966
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: nine catches last week, eighth week before so last week

967
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: Carter and Hi Johnson had twenty targets between them, So

968
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: I like the over four and a half catches. I'm

969
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: also thinking harder to go over thirty five and a

970
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: half receiving yards. You get all those catches, you're gonna

971
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: get some yards, maybe break one. You could do that

972
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: pretty easily. And I'm taking Michael Carter over twelve fantasy points.

973
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: He had thirty two Fantasy points last week. The weeks

974
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: before that he had eighteen, fifteen and ten if you

975
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: round him average to nineteen over the last four weeks.

976
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: So I like Carter. I like him catching a lot

977
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: of a lot of those short, little, non sexy Mike

978
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: White passes this week, So I'm doing all three of those.

979
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: On the other side of the ball, I am taking

980
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: some Jonathan Taylor. Taylor is playing very well if you

981
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: look at the numbers, So I expect the Colts to

982
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: win here. I know that that could be a problem

983
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: because we often expect the Colts to win and they

984
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: often don't. The Jets ranked deadly in EPA on rushing

985
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: defense over the last four games. That's behind the charges.

986
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: That's not good. So their rushing defense is not getting

987
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: the job done. If you look at Colts games, Jonson

988
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: Taylor's three biggest games have come in the three Colts wins.

989
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: So I expect that to look like this game. The

990
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: Jets are going to have a lot of dumpoffs and passing.

991
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: The Colts are going to be running the ball and

992
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: just being like Mike White's not going to beat us.

993
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: Our defense will get the job done. Let's just had

994
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: the ball off and run the clock. So I like

995
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor over eighty and a half rushing yards. He's

996
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: at one hundred and three hundred and seven and forty

997
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: five in the three wins, and I'm thinking Taylor score

998
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: a touchdown. Honestly, I can't believe that we can just

999
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: do that over half of a touchdown. He scored in

1000
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 2: five streat games and he has six touchdowns on that span,

1001
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,479
Speaker 2: so he's the most likely any time touchdowns score here.

1002
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: I definitely love adding that in there. So two Taylor overs,

1003
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: three Carter overs, all in on two running backs. I

1004
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: like stacking these together because they're not independent. If one

1005
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: of them hits, the others are more likely to hit.

1006
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: So if we play all five, if we hit them all,

1007
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: we make our money times ten. So twenty dollars on

1008
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: those five. Hit them all, you win two hundred dollars.

1009
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: Miss one, we still double up. I think this is

1010
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: our week. We're going to win some money this week.

1011
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 3: I feel so good about this week. You want to

1012
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: just recap really quick, though, Everyone.

1013
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: Kiss Jonathan Taylor's over on his rushing yards over on

1014
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns, Michael Carter over on his receptions and receiving

1015
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 2: yards over on his fantasy points.

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00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: Awesome.

1017
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Speaker 3: Well, just as a reminder, guys, you can obviously mix

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Speaker 1: All right, let us just keep a moving here on

1029
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: our mail back episode.

1030
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: All right, we've got a few more questions here, a

1031
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 2: couple more. Derek Henry's too, So back to Derrick Henry

1032
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: from Less. Should I drop Derrick Henry now or should

1033
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: I hold on to him? Obviously that's a question that

1034
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: people have probably in every league across the country. So

1035
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 2: what are you doing with Derrick Henry?

1036
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got.

1037
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 3: Asked this a million times on TikTok Live last night,

1038
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 3: and uh, I mean I would use an IR spot

1039
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: on him in the unlikely event that he makes it

1040
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 3: back in time for the Fantasy playoffs.

1041
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: Eight weeks, which is the I think estimate.

1042
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: And even that that's a short turnaround that puts him

1043
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 3: right at week seventeen, So we're seeing a bench spot

1044
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 3: on him, though carries a lot of assumptions. It assumes

1045
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: you are making it all the way to the Fantasy Finals.

1046
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: It also assumes that that the Titans are competitive enough

1047
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: that they are vying for a playoff spot and are

1048
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 3: willing to risk re injuring Henry that quick of like

1049
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 3: the turnaround, like if this season gets away from them,

1050
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 3: which you could, like the Colts could just run away

1051
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: from with this. I don't necessarily think they will, but

1052
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 3: this season could get away from them.

1053
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: They may not want to put him out there if

1054
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: it's already a lost cause.

1055
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 3: And then it also assumes that Derrick Henry is back

1056
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 3: to full strength come week seventeen or week eighteen, if

1057
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 3: you are playing into week eighteen on a short timeline.

1058
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: So that is a lot of assumptions obviously. First of all,

1059
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: in Dynasty Keeper, yes you obviously have to keep him,

1060
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: But for normal redraft, I would probably keep an eye

1061
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: r spot if I think I'm like a really good contender,

1062
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: but I'm not always toke a bench spot.

1063
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you have to keep him if you

1064
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: have a spot if you have IR that's what the

1065
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: IR spot is for. But I have very little hope

1066
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: here for Derrick Henry the rest of the season. I

1067
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: just don't think he's going to play again. You know,

1068
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: we talked about Derrick Henry on on this podcast couple

1069
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: of weeks ago. So do we allow victory laps on here?

1070
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: Do I get the victory lap for telling people to

1071
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: trade Derrick Henry a couple of weeks ago. I don't

1072
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: know I gets the victory.

1073
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: Lap injuries, but yes, it was appretient of you to

1074
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: tell people to trade him.

1075
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do not celebrate injuries, but I do think

1076
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: I honestly, I would still be trying to trade Derrick

1077
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: Henry if I had him, Like I would rather trade

1078
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: for any if you're giving anything positive for him, anything

1079
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: like literally anything, I like your kicker. Can I have

1080
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: your kicker? Here's Derrick Henry. You use your spot on him,

1081
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: you stash him. I just don't think that I'm going

1082
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: to get anything out of him, like even like even

1083
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: in the best case scenario, it's Week sixteen, You're in

1084
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: your fantasy semi finals, Derrick Henry is back, But we

1085
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: have no idea what he's doing. You're really just putting

1086
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: him right back into your lineup. I just I don't know.

1087
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: I don't see it. So I'm not going to get

1088
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: rid of him. That's what the spots are there for.

1089
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: If it's an actual roster spot, and I have to

1090
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: choose either Henry or other people who might actually help

1091
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: my boy. I'm really trying to trade him and clear

1092
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: up that roster spot because I just I don't know

1093
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: if it's coming back. I agree Dynasty Keeper like you

1094
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 2: got to keep him around for that, but I don't

1095
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: have high hopes for him fair enough.

1096
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: I know it will hurt to we have to move

1097
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: on from.

1098
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: Him, but that's rough. We haven't talked about Adrian Peterson,

1099
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: so I want to know. I'm a Vikings fan, so

1100
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: I think we know my thoughts on Adrian and Peterson.

1101
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: What do you think what Adrian and Peterson like? How valuable?

1102
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've talked a lot about him and your

1103
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 2: waiver articles and everything this week. Where are you out

1104
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: in Peterson For people who are listening, how high should

1105
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: they be on him?

1106
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a guy, He's a warm body that

1107
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 3: you can put in your lineup. I think that I

1108
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 3: am valuing him as a RB three in that territory,

1109
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 3: so he's not our super exciting start. There's going to

1110
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 3: be volume, I think, but how much volume. Not sure

1111
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 3: the Titans could really pivot in terms of like passing

1112
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 3: volume more. And then I think he will get some

1113
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: goal line carries like he's he's the king of like

1114
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: the you know, one touchdown sorry, one yard touchdown guy.

1115
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: So I could definitely see that. I think he is

1116
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: valuable and I.

1117
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 3: Think if you needed a running back, you should have

1118
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 3: gone out and gotten him this this this week.

1119
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't expect I'm not I.

1120
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: Don't have super super high expectations, So I think RB

1121
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 3: three is like it's a fair range for him.

1122
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: I think I'm a little higher than Neil, but it's

1123
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: hard to say. Just Peterson literally is one of my

1124
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: favorite players ever as a Vikings fan. But I do

1125
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: think that if he has legs still, and he's proven

1126
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 2: that he has over the last years, he comes back

1127
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: and can run a little bit. He is a similar

1128
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: ish style like he does seem more like for like

1129
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: than a lot of players that could have gotten for

1130
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: for Derek to fill in for Derrick Henry. He is

1131
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 2: the sort of guy that you know. The Titans, let's

1132
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: be honest, they like to just hand it off to

1133
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry on some inefficient first half carries to kind

1134
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: of batter the defense and wear them down and then

1135
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: be able to plow later in the game. That's kind

1136
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: of what this stage of career Peterson is. So I

1137
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: don't hate it. I think, to me, he's an RB two.

1138
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: I would I would be very happy if I picked

1139
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: up Peterson this week. He's not gonna win my league

1140
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: for me, but I would feel until proven otherwise, I

1141
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: would feel like he's probably gonna get me fifteen twenty

1142
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: touches a week. He's gonna get some of those touchdowns.

1143
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: We know the Titans emphasize the run game and there

1144
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: aren't a lot of other options there. So I don't

1145
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: hate it. I'm gonna pretty much put him in my

1146
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: lineup and keep him there until we see production and

1147
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 2: show otherwise. But you know, he's not the old Adrian Peterson.

1148
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: He's certainly not going to do Derrick Henry things.

1149
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I think you're letting your Vikings bias show as possible.

1150
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 2: It's happened before. All Right, we got another ir question

1151
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: from let's go terps on Calvin or Ridley. So they

1152
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 2: have Calvin Ridley for this season and next, do they

1153
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: have to keep him on IR and hope that he returns.

1154
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously we have no idea what he is dealing

1155
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 3: with or the stent that we wish him well and

1156
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: hope he gets the need of the help that he needs.

1157
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 3: This is a little more nebulous than Kylvin Ridley going

1158
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 3: out with an ACL injury, because at least we know

1159
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: that's a year turnaround or like something like that. We

1160
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: really don't know, but for keeper reasons, of course you

1161
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 3: need to hang on to him. He has sky high

1162
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 3: potential and he could be back next season.

1163
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: I know.

1164
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 3: It's just it's a crappy answer that like, we don't know,

1165
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 3: but we don't and yet it's kind of an uncharted

1166
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 3: territory type thing where we don't like have there is

1167
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 3: no playbook on how to deal with players who are

1168
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: stepping away from the game. But there's a good chance

1169
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: that he could come back, and I think that is

1170
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: worth keeping him in an IR spot.

1171
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: All right. A couple more Donnie Vie another Derick Henry

1172
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: question here, what do we think about Ryan Tannehill's value

1173
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: With Henry going down, do I think value goes up

1174
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: for Tannehill.

1175
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: We talked about this briefly in PhD. I think it's difficult.

1176
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: It's yes, but not by as much as I think

1177
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 3: some people are going to make it out to be.

1178
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 3: I think, of course, the team is going to have

1179
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 3: to de leverage themselves somewhat from the run game, because

1180
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 3: obviously there's a monumental downgrade from Derrick Henry to Adrian

1181
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 3: Peterson and Jeremy McNichols, and they won't have the security

1182
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 3: blanket of just always being able to give it to him.

1183
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: But I do have concerns about the way the Titans

1184
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 3: have looked the season.

1185
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: Now, Yes, to your point, they.

1186
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: Have looked better over the last few weeks, but I

1187
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: just don't know how much they could lean in on

1188
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: this passing game. Like I don't think this means Tannehill

1189
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: is going to go for three hundred yards with three

1190
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 3: touchdowns every game, just given the way that he has

1191
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 3: played and the offensive line has struggled, So that's not

1192
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 3: all his fault, but all of this kind of spells

1193
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 3: for I think it helps, but not nearly as much

1194
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 3: as I think people are making it out to be.

1195
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 3: I don't think this is going to be this super

1196
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 3: super pass heavy team now. I think this is great

1197
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 3: news for a J. Brown and Julio Jones if he

1198
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 3: can ever get healthy. But yeah, we talked about it.

1199
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: Raybell is going to lean on a committee and I

1200
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 3: could see this turning into some kind of like ravenesque

1201
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: situation where there's just like a bunch of guys and

1202
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 3: they combine for a number of touches while none of

1203
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 3: them are actually attractive for fantasy.

1204
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: So I think Tannehills puts himself.

1205
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: Like back into that fringe quarterback one conversation, which before

1206
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 3: this he was probably like a little bit outside it

1207
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: in the right matchups.

1208
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: So I'm I think he's good. And I think if

1209
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: you see someone, though, like in your league, really like that,

1210
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: you think may overreact to this. This is something that

1211
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: I think you could kind of like go against.

1212
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: And uh, I just do think that there are people

1213
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: that see this and they they'll be like, oh, this

1214
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 3: plus this equals this, and it's actually like a little

1215
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: more nuanced because I don't think they're just gonna all

1216
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 3: of a sudden become this really pass happy team.

1217
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, like that. I think what you're saying

1218
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: is if you are the Ryan Tannehill owner and someone

1219
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 2: comes to you on a trade being like, oh man,

1220
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: like they think that they're pulling one over on you

1221
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: because they're going to grab Ryan Tannehill and he's about

1222
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 2: to explode. Yeah, he's not about to explode. I think

1223
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: you're right. Like AJ Brown and Julio Jones, they're the

1224
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: winners here, and we talked about, you know, a couple

1225
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, keeping Julio in case Derrick Henry was down,

1226
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: Like there's there's a volume potential for the receivers. I

1227
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: think Tannehill will be fine. We talked about him. I

1228
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: think he'll be a fringe QB one. Maybe he moves

1229
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 2: up a little bit, like half of a tier basically.

1230
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you have If you have him and

1231
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: someone's trying to sneak him off of you, I would

1232
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: sell high, Like before he actually plays without Derrick Henry

1233
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: is when you sell high on Ryan Tannehill because it's

1234
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: not like they're going to come out and suddenly like

1235
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: go five wide and be passing it fifty times a game.

1236
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: That's just not what they're going to do. So you know,

1237
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: it's a little better, but I wouldn't get too excited

1238
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: about it, all right. Last one is from Quentin. Quentin says, hey,

1239
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: I need your help. I had Derrick Henry in my lineup,

1240
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: but well I can't count on him for a few weeks. Oh, Quentin.

1241
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: It's a few weeks until Christmas and New Year, so

1242
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: this is the same few weeks we're talking out here.

1243
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: So here's what Quinn has is zag Moss a viable

1244
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: RB two at least for week nine. He's got Aaron

1245
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: Jones and DeAndre Swift as top two guys. He has

1246
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: McNichols on his bench. So he used to put Henry

1247
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: and Jones at running back and Swift at flex. He's

1248
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: now thinking Jones and Swift are running back and then

1249
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 2: his other options are Moss, McNichols or Adam Thielen or

1250
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle. So who do we think should be his

1251
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: long term flex? Thanks in advance for our advice, Quentum.

1252
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: I'll probably go through this like. There are a lot

1253
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: of layers at this a lot.

1254
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 3: Yes, I do think Moss can be a viable low

1255
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,959
Speaker 3: ceiling RB two rest of season. Like he's a guy

1256
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 3: that's getting volume but not necessarily reaching his potential because

1257
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 3: Josh Allen is that team's best running back. He is

1258
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 3: a good play this week against Jacksonville, so I would

1259
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 3: definitely put him in that RB two high end RB

1260
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 3: two conversation for Week nine. You're obviously gonna be without Swift,

1261
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 3: so I would say you're running backs are going to

1262
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 3: be Jones and Moss, and then I would definitely use

1263
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 3: Adam Feelin your flex.

1264
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: That's like a slam dunk for me.

1265
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 3: So week ten onwards, I'm going to say, go Swift

1266
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 3: and Jones as your backs, and then Feeling in your flex.

1267
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 3: I would consider Feeling a better play than both Moss

1268
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: and McNichols, and Waddle is a better play than McNichols too,

1269
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, definitely Adam Feeling as your long term flex play.

1270
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: That'll do it for this very long mail bag episode.

1271
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,520
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1272
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,320
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1273
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,680
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1274
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 3: to help you dominate your fantasy leagues. I'll move you

1275
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: back next Tuesday with another round of twenty one questions

1276
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 3: and next Thursday with another mail Bag episode, so don't forget.

1277
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,080
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1278
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,479
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1279
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:52,520
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1280
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,240
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1281
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,160
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1282
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,080
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1283
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