Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Nancy Glass. In the Burden of Guilt podcast,
Speaker 1: we shared the story of Tracy rikel Burns, who as
Speaker 1: a child was told she was responsible for the death
Speaker 1: of her four month old brother, Matthew. You heard the
Speaker 1: lengths she went to in order to get the truth
Speaker 1: and in the process, get justice from Matthew. If you remember,
Speaker 1: after several twists and turns in the courtroom, it was
Speaker 1: Tracy Roquel's father, Jan, who was ultimately found guilty of
Speaker 1: killing baby Matthew. And while you didn't get to hear
Speaker 1: from Jan on the podcast, you will be able to
Speaker 1: see him and hear from him in the Burden of
Speaker 1: Guilt docuseries on Paramount Plus, premiering on February fourth. Jan
Speaker 1: is currently serving time at a Florida prison, and when
Speaker 1: you see him, you will see how he's been affected
Speaker 1: by the ravages of time and time in prison. He
Speaker 1: did talk with me a handful of times and he
Speaker 1: answered my questions, but I can't say the answers he
Speaker 1: gave me were truthful. In fact, there's plenty of evidence
Speaker 1: that the answers were outright lies. Here's a part of
Speaker 1: the conversation you will see on Burden of kilt the docuseries,
Speaker 1: How do you think the baby died? What do you
Speaker 1: think happened to him?
Speaker 2: I don't really know how to answer that question because
Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't know that this was going
Speaker 2: to end up being the way it ended up being.
Speaker 2: I should have never ever let Tracy be blamed. That
Speaker 2: goes without saying. I can't change that. I can't fix it,
Speaker 2: I can't correct it. The only thing I can assure you,
Speaker 2: miss class, is I didn't harm that little boy. I've
Speaker 2: done the time for a crime I didn't do. That's
Speaker 2: all that minors.
Speaker 1: You sound very sympathetic, but Kathy and Tracy Raquel both
Speaker 1: have talked about how you beat them and how you
Speaker 1: hurt them.
Speaker 2: Okay, one, I never put a hand to Tracy. That's
Speaker 2: an outright life. I'll ignore you before I do that.
Speaker 2: You can't go anywhere in my history and find anything
Speaker 2: other than somebody's mouth saying I did something. There's probably
Speaker 2: twenty five other women out there that I are still
Speaker 2: alive that I dated all through that time. Ask any
Speaker 2: of those girls if I ever put my hands on them,
Speaker 2: and I never did.
Speaker 1: What happened to Tracy Raquel on the day that Matthew died.
Speaker 1: Did she fall down a cement's staircase or was she
Speaker 1: pushed down a cement's staircase?
Speaker 2: Where did this come from?
Speaker 1: Well, that day she was taken to the pediatrician because
Speaker 1: she was bleeding out of her ears and the story
Speaker 1: was that she fell down a concrete staircase.
Speaker 2: What that's I don't know whoever's been feeding you this
Speaker 2: bull crap? That's what this is at the bull crap.
Speaker 2: That's a story that somebody just made up. And it
Speaker 2: sounds like someone with demented mind making these this crap up.
Speaker 1: Well, Jim, there's documentation of it.
Speaker 2: But let's don't butt me none. Okay, let's don't butt
Speaker 2: me any I'm trying to explain something to you, and
Speaker 2: you're coming to me with this bull crap from the
Speaker 2: left field.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a documentation and there are a medical recreation.
Speaker 2: Showed me the documentation and showed me the medical records
Speaker 2: of work. That child was harmed in any shape form
Speaker 2: of fashion.
Speaker 1: What about Racy Riquel saying that you put out a
Speaker 1: cigarette on her?
Speaker 3: Listen, Tracy came up with some of the uh all
Speaker 3: gone his stories of it. That part about me putting
Speaker 3: her Kathy in her closet, pouring a beer on her.
Speaker 3: You should have somebody should have asked her, well, where's
Speaker 3: the where's the burn?
Speaker 1: Bark Well, she was a small child. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a chance it healed.
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm not a sadistic person. I'm not a sick person. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've made some mistakes in my life, but one of
Speaker 3: them is I've never murdered anyone. I've never raped anyone,
Speaker 3: and I've never harmed a woman. And I damn sure
Speaker 3: I ain't never heard of little folks. You can ask
Speaker 3: me why I didn't do this and why I didn't
Speaker 3: do that, and help. I don't know why I didn't
Speaker 3: do some of the things that I didn't do, but
Speaker 3: I didn't do them. But that don't mean I heard
Speaker 3: that little boy. Anybody to please I did can kiss
Speaker 3: my backside.
Speaker 1: You can see and hear more of jan in the
Speaker 1: complete three part docu series on Paramount Plus beginning February fourth,