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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Week ten version of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Report. I'm Steve White.

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Speaker 2: You as my guy, James Palmer. This is the Monday

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Speaker 2: edition JP. And we had some down to the wire

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Speaker 2: games on Sunday, Sir.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, we certainly did, Steve. I was on the

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Speaker 3: edge of my seat. If I don't gamble against NFL

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Speaker 3: league policy, but if you were a gambler on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what you went through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're feeling good, You're feel good, But I mean,

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Speaker 2: here's some other things that we have a huge show today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna be joined by the General John McClain.

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Speaker 1: He knows everything.

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Speaker 2: Houston, Texas, our own Bridget Condon, our own Bucky Brooks,

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Speaker 2: who called the Jags Niners blowout an ow Jeffrey Chadia

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Speaker 2: for his first read segment, but also James, the Vikings

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Speaker 2: and Texans keep winning.

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Speaker 1: The NFC and AFC North remain unsettled.

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Speaker 2: The Niners again made that emphatic statement, but how about

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Speaker 2: this one? The Raiders continued their addition by subtraction victory

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Speaker 2: Tour and last thing is JP before we really get

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Speaker 2: rolling right here. We know the International Series is finally over.

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Speaker 1: And overseas in.

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Speaker 2: Europe, it is all about football, the soccer style. Well,

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Speaker 2: this weekend, it was all about games being decided by

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Speaker 2: the actual foot.

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Speaker 1: This is when the Browns made this trade. This is

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Speaker 1: why he was brought here for Dustin Hopkins.

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Speaker 4: One time, my friend, one time.

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Speaker 5: This will be a forty yard field goal attempt for

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Speaker 5: the middle of the fields.

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Speaker 6: Three seconds left. Here's the snap. It's a good one.

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Speaker 6: The hold is good, the kick is on its way

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Speaker 6: and over end.

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Speaker 3: And it is good.

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Speaker 6: The Browns have won it.

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Speaker 1: They've come from behind.

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Speaker 2: Fred the Browns came from behind and winning that game

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Speaker 2: winning field goal, one of five game winning field goals

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Speaker 2: and JP that tease it up for our Monday segment,

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Speaker 2: bigger news. Okay, the Brown's last second win over the

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Speaker 3: Wow, Right, real quick, before I get going front of

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Speaker 3: the show, Roddy McLeod right there hugging Dustin Hopkins, who

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Speaker 3: had maybe the quote of the weekend saying, I felt

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Speaker 3: like an arsonist that put out my own fire by

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Speaker 3: kicking that game winning field goal, because remember he missed

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Speaker 3: an extra point last, This is.

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Speaker 6: A phenomenal quote.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I'm gonna say, the bigger news is

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Speaker 3: that the Browns took down the Ravens, because it has

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Speaker 3: a larger impact than the Texans beating the Bengals, which

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Speaker 3: we will get to. And was a brilliant win and

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Speaker 3: another great performance by C. J. Stroud because Steve, this

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Speaker 3: win had the Ravens really on the verge of distancing

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Speaker 3: themselves from the rest of the group in an unbelievably

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Speaker 3: packed AFC North. Now with the Browns winning that game,

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Speaker 3: they are in the thicke of things, them and the

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Speaker 3: Steelers both a half a game back of the Ravens.

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Speaker 6: What do we have coming up on Thursday?

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Speaker 4: Steve?

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Speaker 6: What's that game on Thursday night?

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Speaker 1: You, Mike? Could it be?

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Speaker 2: Uh the Steeler? Is that the Steelers at the Browns?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And then we also have the Ravens and the Bengals

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Speaker 3: going at it as well this upcoming weekend. So that's

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Speaker 3: why this win by the Browns really bunched up this

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Speaker 3: division once again. And I thought to me, the Ravens

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Speaker 3: have been out physically everybody, you know. They went and

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Speaker 3: laid a beat down on the Lions on the Seahawks,

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Speaker 3: and what did the Browns do in the second half.

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Speaker 3: They were just wearing out the Baltimore Ravens. Specifically, see

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Speaker 3: from that Jerome Ford run where the entire team's pushing

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Speaker 3: to play like one of the best in football, and

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Speaker 3: we see Deshaun Watson play like he played in the

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Speaker 3: there Go fourteen of fourteen, played well with his legs

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Speaker 3: this Browns team fought. He fought through that ankle injury.

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Speaker 3: He played brilliantly in the second half the first time.

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Speaker 3: I think Browns fans can say, this is why we

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Speaker 3: if Deshaun Watson continues to play like that moving forward, because.

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Speaker 6: We know how good the defense is.

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Speaker 2: And this is why I'm with you on the Cleveland

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Speaker 2: victory being bigger, I mean standings aside. We have seen

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Speaker 2: the Browns defense step up when Deshaun Watson was hurt.

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Speaker 2: When PJ. Walker was their starting quarterback. We've seen other

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Speaker 2: while Deshaun Watson was playing like he finally felt comfortable

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Speaker 2: playing the game. That to me is dangerous because when

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Speaker 2: you watch a Shawn Watson, I mean, besides the fortune

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Speaker 2: coming to the line of scrimmage, forcing defenders in a

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Speaker 2: to Elijah Moore or something like that.

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Speaker 1: It seemed good.

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Speaker 2: It seemed good to him, and now I'm like, oh boy,

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Speaker 2: these Cleveland Browns could really be a terrifying act if

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Speaker 2: they can build some consistency with that type of ever quickly, JP,

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Speaker 2: we cannot understate how how big that win was by

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Speaker 6: Can real real quick.

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Speaker 3: I asked you what that game is on Thursday, because

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Speaker 3: I kind of slipped my mind and then butchered it.

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Speaker 3: Thursday is Bengals at Ravens, then Steelers at Brown's on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: So those are the two games. But anyway, that's beside

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Speaker 3: the point. That's why we're talking about this group being

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Speaker 3: bunched up. And you're right with the Houston Texans. This

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Speaker 3: is kind of gonna be on my soapbox here, Steve.

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Speaker 3: We always give great teams excuses when they lose, and

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Speaker 3: I think, obviously though a lot of that times that's earned.

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Speaker 6: Right the Chiefs and the opener.

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Speaker 3: They lose the Lions because they didn't have Chris Jones,

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Speaker 3: they didn't have Travis Kelce. Oh, the forty nine ers

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Speaker 6: Sometimes teams are without key.

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Speaker 3: Players and we just don't give them any sort of love,

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Speaker 3: like an excuse, maybe because they haven't earned it yet.

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Speaker 3: The Texans went in to Cincinnati without their leading running back,

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Speaker 3: and I think there is a great representation. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: about Stroud a lot more coming up with the General

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Speaker 3: John McLain, who knows this organization better than anybody. But

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Speaker 3: they do not panic in any situation, and that comes

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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, JP.

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Speaker 2: Now let's let's go back overseas. You know, we talked

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Speaker 2: But overseas we saw the New England Patriots lose again,

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Speaker 2: this time to the Indianapolis Colts and their head coach

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Speaker 3: Bill, what they.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just thought it was tough for a changeing.

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Speaker 2: You still feel like Belichick has you know, full faith

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Speaker 7: Of his team. I mean, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 7: I gotta play better, So I mean to make people

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Speaker 4: I don't know yourself.

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Speaker 7: Yeah I do. Yeah, I put a lot of work

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Speaker 7: But there's just things I got to get fixed and

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Speaker 2: For those of you who listened to the podcast, you

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Speaker 2: couldn't see Mac Jones's body language.

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Speaker 1: You could just.

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Speaker 2: Tell like, these guys don't have any belief left in

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Speaker 2: me at head coach Bill Belichick said on Monday after

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Speaker 2: arriving in Germany, he is not going to make a

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Speaker 2: or Bailey's happy on.

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Speaker 1: Their other end, JP another big story.

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Speaker 2: We had Josh Dobbs winning his second game with the Vikings,

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Speaker 2: So bigger news Josh Dobbs and the Vikings not only

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Speaker 6: I think the bigger news.

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Speaker 3: I gotta go with Mac Jones because that interception he

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Speaker 3: threw in the red zone, which was a surefire go

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Speaker 3: ahead touchdown to Mike Gseki in the end zone, he

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Speaker 3: underthrows it badly. It's brew that interception right there, Steve.

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Speaker 3: And this isn't just hyperbole, This isn't an exaggeration. It

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Speaker 3: It very well could have ended his career as the

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Speaker 3: the end of Bill Belichick in New England. And also

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Speaker 3: this was a game Robert Kraft wanted badly, was very

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Speaker 3: base they're looking to build in Germany and grow. This

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Speaker 3: interception really impacted so many different aspects of this organization.

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Speaker 3: And now when you look at then moving to Bailey

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Speaker 6: Mean, we could argue which interceptions worse.

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Speaker 3: I think Jason mccordy on the air had the best

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Speaker 6: He did in the middle of the field. Like Steve,

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Speaker 6: I don't know where they go from here.

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Speaker 3: It almost seems like the only card left in Bill

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Speaker 3: Belichick's pocket to kind of get this locker room going

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Speaker 3: would be a quarterback change, because they've thought about.

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Speaker 6: It, to my understanding for several weeks, haven't made it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's because nobody can outplay Mac

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Speaker 6: But you see what they do with Jack Jones, you

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Speaker 3: It has been one thing after another in this locker room,

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Speaker 3: and it is going to be fascinating to see what

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Speaker 3: happens at the end. So I think it's bigger news

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Speaker 2: I mean, if Patriots have a buy He's been benched

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Speaker 1: That was a disastrous interception.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, owner Robert Kraft in a pregame interview

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Speaker 1: But I'm not putting all this on Mac Jones.

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Speaker 2: You talk about this could be the you know, something

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Speaker 2: gets Bill Belichick help exacerbate his firing. Bill Belichick has

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Speaker 2: to take a huge share in that because they drafted

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Speaker 1: Next on the NFL Report, J.

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Speaker 5: One Packet's boom.

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Speaker 1: Here's the snap.

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Speaker 2: And it's good.

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Speaker 5: The Texans look off with a win Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: They take it.

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Speaker 5: Thirty to twenty seven. Nada Montola at the buzzers. The

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Speaker 1: That will never forget.

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Speaker 3: Who the soothing pipes of Mark VanderMeer on the call

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Speaker 3: for the Houston Texans, and we are joined by to me,

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Speaker 3: in the house, John, I'm gonna start this off with

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Speaker 3: To you who has been the most impressive and maybe

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Speaker 8: And they have a rookie quarterback coach, if you asked me,

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Speaker 8: love it first time in his career. And Demiko, I

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Speaker 8: wanted to say right off that they've won five games.

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Speaker 2: Well, John, I mean to that point, you have covered

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Speaker 2: the NFL. Why has Demiko Ryans, a player you covered

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Speaker 8: I met Demiko the day after he was first picking

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Speaker 8: thank goodness, that's who Nick wanted. So they give Dmiko

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Speaker 8: and Serio the resources to whatever they need. Financially, money

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Speaker 8: worked very very well together procuring free agents, and they

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Speaker 8: had a fabulous draft.

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Speaker 3: John, I want to touch on Nick Asario, the general

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Speaker 6: There was a moment where.

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Speaker 3: We were all kind of hearing reports and rumors that

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Speaker 6: Now, is this in your mind?

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Speaker 3: I know we're one year in, John, but like Demiko,

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Speaker 8: Well, there's too early to say that, James, because you

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Speaker 8: division titles and playoff games. And but Dimiko's off to

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Speaker 8: a better start than Kubiak was Kubiak's first year in

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Speaker 8: He's on the third, third year of a six year contract.

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Speaker 8: He's got a head coach that he can work great with,

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Speaker 8: And I'm glad you brought that up, because that's my column.

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Speaker 8: People are talking about Dimiko in the conversation for Coaching

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, General, there you go. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: Now, we're really going to go into your knowledge of

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Speaker 2: They eventually clearly came back around to him, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure they're grateful that they did. Was there really any

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Speaker 2: trepidation about drafting the Ohio State quarterback, who, like you said,

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Speaker 8: And he could be in the MVP conversation too. But

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Speaker 8: Demiko played a big Roland and he wanted Stroud. The

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Speaker 8: But uh, I think it was Young and then Stroud.

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Speaker 3: Everybody in the NFL has their eye on CJ. Stroud

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Speaker 3: But I'm curious if we could rewind and there was

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd like to say, oh I predicted it, James sure,

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Speaker 8: I mean right, Cassio didn't know it to Miko Ryans,

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Speaker 8: but nobody could imagine what he's done and what he

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Speaker 8: He's also very Oh he's unflappable. He's very mobile. I

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Speaker 8: But nobody could have imagined what he's done.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we're talking about the offensive rookie and CJ.

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Speaker 1: I mean he had a really strong game.

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Speaker 2: He didn't play this week, but Henry to Oteo has

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Speaker 2: He's nailed it. Actually, jot down to take up for

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Speaker 8: If you were still riding you'd have a lot of

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Speaker 8: troubles spelling Toatoa. I have to double check it.

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Speaker 1: Every apostrophy.

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Speaker 4: In front of you.

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Speaker 8: Right, he's played inside, he's played outside. The Texans have

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Speaker 8: great run player. The biggest surprise on this team. They

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Speaker 8: I'm sure they're better this week, but it's amazing the

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Speaker 6: John.

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Speaker 3: I miss my days working next to you in Houston.

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Speaker 8: I've covered the NFL here for forty seven years. I've

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Speaker 2: All right, I gotta ask you this it's somewhat Texans related,

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Speaker 1: We know your pro Fooball Hall of Fame selector.

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Speaker 2: Andre Johnson, a great Texans wide receiver, has been locked

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Speaker 8: I've presented Andre in each of his first two years,

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Speaker 8: all about. And I don't know what we'll do on

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Speaker 8: this one. Could be another year where they cancel each

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Speaker 8: other out, but uh, I think Andre has a legitimate

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Speaker 8: chance every year, as do Reggie, Wayne and Tore.

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Speaker 1: Oh, hey, JP, can you believe?

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Speaker 2: Can you believe the General doesn't think he has more

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Speaker 2: clout than Bill Pollian and Tony Dongee in that select This.

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Speaker 6: Humility has always been his best quality.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Hey, hey John, we love you brother. We can't thank

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Speaker 2: you for taking some time and we hope.

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Speaker 1: To have you back on a little bit later on

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Speaker 1: this season.

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Speaker 8: Stephen James, it's my pleasure as always, I've known you

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Speaker 8: guys forever. Keep up the great work.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you are coming up next on the NFL Report

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Speaker 2: Fire Back. There's me and James MVP candidate Brock Purty

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Speaker 2: and yes, Nick Bosa and that d line finally got

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Speaker 2: it together. We'll have plenty conversation on that and more

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Speaker 2: on the NFL Report.

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Speaker 4: On the end.

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Speaker 5: Around here comes Deebo Samuel blockers in front. Williams is

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Speaker 5: one of them and Deebo Samuel's in touchdown San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the NFL Report with James Palmer Steve

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Speaker 3: Whitch and it was an absolute beat down by the

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Speaker 3: San Francisco forty nine ers thirty four to three over

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Speaker 3: the Jacksonville Jaguars and Steve our guest now Bucky Brooks,

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Speaker 3: who like, you know, there's like a gold star, like

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Speaker 3: a north star. You have, Steve to all our podcast

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Speaker 3: listeners out there, it's moved the Sticks podcast with Bucky

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Speaker 3: Brooks and Daniel Cheremiam and that's what we're shooting for

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Speaker 3: every day. Buck.

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Speaker 6: We're never gonna get there, but you know we can

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Speaker 6: strive for it.

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Speaker 2: Hold on now, Bucky, let him know, Let him know

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Speaker 2: about the original podcast.

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Speaker 10: The original podcast, James probably like the research little Cover

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Speaker 10: two podcast, Steve White, Bucky Brooks bringing it to you

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Speaker 10: live and direct in your ear, like, yeah, the originators.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I shouldn't even be out here. I

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Speaker 3: feel like you I should just reunite and do a

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Speaker 3: segment yourselves, just time sake.

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Speaker 2: And we had to play for in the air before

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Speaker 2: this place knew how to put out a podcast. Now

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Speaker 2: we rock and roll the buck. Let's get rocking and

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Speaker 2: rolling here. You called the Jags game. We had their

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Speaker 2: tight end Evan Ingram on the show not too long ago,

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Speaker 2: and he said, hey, we can play physical football. We're

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Speaker 2: just not a finesse football team. Was what happened Sunday

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Speaker 2: against the Niners. A reality check with that.

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Speaker 10: I don't know if it was a reality check in

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Speaker 10: terms of the physicality and toughness because they've had other

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Speaker 10: games where they had to kind of step it up.

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Speaker 4: They played at Pittsburgh still is right before the bye week.

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Speaker 10: That's a game that always will test the physical toughness

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Speaker 10: of your team, because they're one of the standard bearers

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Speaker 10: when it comes to toughness.

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Speaker 4: And grit and those things.

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Speaker 10: What it was was a reality check in terms of

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Speaker 10: the difference between playing middleweights and heavyweights. The San Francisco

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Speaker 10: forty nine Ers have been a title contender for the

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Speaker 10: last few years, understanding their playing style and how physical

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Speaker 10: they play, but also the talent that they have on

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Speaker 10: both sides of the ball. And what you saw was

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Speaker 10: a little bit of a talent disparity between the San

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Speaker 10: Francisco forty nine ers and the Jaguars. You look at

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Speaker 10: that defensive line adding Chase Young. People don't even talk

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Speaker 10: about the addition of Randy Gregory. But they were able

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Speaker 10: to do some different things, and they hadn't displayed five

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Speaker 10: man front with all those guys kind of standing up

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Speaker 10: and moving around, and it made a tremendous difference with

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Speaker 10: Nick Bosa Chase Young being able to kind of move

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Speaker 10: around and really create and exploit some one on one matchups.

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Speaker 10: And then offensively, Man, you talk about being able to

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Speaker 10: play positionless football, when you have a Christian McCaffrey, a

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Speaker 10: Deebo Samuel, a George Kittle, a cal you check and

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Speaker 10: all those guys lined up in various spots on the perimeter.

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Speaker 4: Made for a very challenging game.

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Speaker 10: And then the Jaguars just didn't play well enough to

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Speaker 10: be able to take that game into the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 4: So a disappointing performance.

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Speaker 10: Even though we could talk about how well the Niners played,

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Speaker 10: the Jaguars certainly didn't bring their eight game to this matchup.

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Speaker 3: Bucky, I saw you on the sideline of that Jaguar

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Speaker 3: Steelers game two weeks ago before their bye, so I'm

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Speaker 3: kind of curious. We both witnessed that game, and we

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Speaker 3: witnessed how they've played the games leading into this one.

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Speaker 3: They have a bye, and then obviously the Niners had

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Speaker 3: to buy as well. It almost seemed like the buye

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Speaker 3: was beneficial for San Francisco get healthy right, regroup after

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Speaker 3: three straight losses, and maybe looking at it, from Jacksonville's perspective,

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Speaker 3: it was like, man, I don't think we want to

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Speaker 3: buy right now?

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Speaker 6: After that win over the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah no.

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Speaker 10: And talking to Doug Peterson after the game, he was

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Speaker 10: kind of perplexed by the way the team performed. He

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Speaker 10: thought the practices leading up to the game where great

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Speaker 10: expected the team to play really.

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Speaker 4: Well and they didn't.

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Speaker 10: The one thing that he talked about was maybe the

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Speaker 10: lack of urgency. When you have a young team and

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Speaker 10: stepping up and playing in these big games, their urgency

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Speaker 10: is needed right away. And for the Niners, there was

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Speaker 10: a lot of conversation about the defense, about the defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 10: about Rock Purdy. This was a very motivated team that

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Speaker 10: had two weeks to kind of stew in all of

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Speaker 10: that muck. They came out motivated and played it like

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Speaker 10: a playoff game. The Jaguars did not match their intensity,

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Speaker 10: which is why you saw such a lopside of score buck.

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Speaker 2: If you only have about ninety seconds left here where

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Speaker 2: you're tight With Steve Wilkes, a defensive coordinator with the

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers, they made a big deal about him

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Speaker 2: coming from the booths to the sideline, and he has

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Speaker 2: kind of been on the crosshairs right here.

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Speaker 1: What did he do?

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Speaker 2: You talked about the five man defensive front. That is

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Speaker 2: not something that the Niners do very often. What did

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Speaker 2: you notice from your conversations with him or whatever, how

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Speaker 2: he handled prepping his team for this game.

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Speaker 10: Well, look, man, he's a guy that doesn't mind confrontation,

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Speaker 10: doesn't mind being challenged. And everyone around the bay was

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Speaker 10: challenging him because he's stepping into the shoes vacated by

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Speaker 10: Dimiko Ryans and then Robert Salad before, so the scheme

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Speaker 10: is different. What he did do is you could tell

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Speaker 10: it was an emphasis that this team was going to

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Speaker 10: be physical. He changed the picture in terms of the

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Speaker 10: looks a little bit. They were very creative and what

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Speaker 10: they did more importantly, he was down on the sidelines.

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Speaker 10: The communication was face to face. It wasn't over the phone.

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Speaker 10: It wasn't him in the press box calling down to

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Speaker 10: the players. He was able to get the answers to

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Speaker 10: the test right away. And so maybe that move that

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Speaker 10: was suggested about Kyle Shanahan, maybe it worked out better

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Speaker 10: because the players have had Demico Ryans and Robsola on

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Speaker 10: the sidelines. Maybe they were more comfortable having the decoordinator

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Speaker 10: right on the sideline, so they could get whatever issues

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Speaker 10: that take place in between the lines, get.

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Speaker 4: Those addressed right away.

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Speaker 10: And maybe that eye contact is a little different than

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Speaker 10: talking on the phone.

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Speaker 3: So Buck, real quick, we're talking about a defense that

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Speaker 3: turned the corner again as we saw him strong early

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Speaker 3: and then a little bit of a lull and now

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Speaker 3: kind of the performance they had this past Sunday and

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Speaker 3: then obviously all the weapons back for rock party. Where

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Speaker 3: did the Niners stack up for you real quick in

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Speaker 3: terms of the upper echelon group that's in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: At the top Oh, they won the top three.

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Speaker 10: I mean right now, I'll put Philadelphi, Kansas City in

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Speaker 10: San Francisco up there. Detroit is right nipping on their heels,

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Speaker 10: but the San Francisco Niners are there, and we all know. Look,

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Speaker 10: the showdown is coming between the Eagles and the Niners.

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Speaker 4: They won't admit it, but it's been an arms race

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Speaker 4: for both teams to add weapons, to add firepower to this.

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Speaker 10: The Chase Young thing, though, may take the Niners over

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Speaker 10: the top because in talking to Chase Young after the game,

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Speaker 10: he just talked about walking into an organization winning organization

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Speaker 10: all stuff that they have heard about him prior to

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Speaker 10: his arrival in San Francisco. I didn't see that sad

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Speaker 10: I got it, played hard, I so I got it

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Speaker 10: had some dominant flashes. If he plays like the defensive

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Speaker 10: rookie of the year that played a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: Man, lookout, because the Niners can get it done.

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Speaker 10: And I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay around

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Speaker 10: because that situation with him and Nick Bosa being able

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Speaker 10: to have those accountability partners is something about that they

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Speaker 10: might bring out the best in his game.

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Speaker 4: I don't think this might be the run of the summer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Bucket, like you said, the environment can make

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Speaker 2: all the difference in the world.

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Speaker 1: Hey, brother, we appreciate you. We're taking some time to sleep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get some rest now, and we've got you have

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Speaker 2: that playing from Jacksonville to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, man, appreciate it.

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Speaker 11: Buck Every week is different and you don't know what

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Speaker 11: it's gonna take to win the game. We did what

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Speaker 11: we had to do to win the game. That's what

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Speaker 11: good teams do. No matter what, Man, I get it,

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Speaker 11: do not do not ever feel bad or this or

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Speaker 11: that about a win. Man, They're too hard to come by. Yes,

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Speaker 11: you earn that win. No matter what you say, you

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Speaker 11: earned that win and we will accept it.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: That was Lion, said coach Dan Campbell in the locker

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Speaker 2: room after his team knocked off the Chargers forty one

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Speaker 2: thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: Jeames.

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Speaker 2: We're now joined by Bridget Condon who was at so

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Speaker 2: FI stating with me and watched all of the fireworks,

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Speaker 2: and Bridget, let's talk a little bit about the Lions

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Speaker 2: and the fact that on that final drive they were at.

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Speaker 1: Fourth and two in field goal.

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Speaker 2: Range and Dan Canpdell said, and Campbell said, we're going

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Speaker 2: for it instead of kicking the field goal with about

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Speaker 2: a minute and a half left.

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Speaker 1: What about that strategy? Because they had been nailing it

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Speaker 1: on fourth down all game?

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Speaker 12: How awesome would it be to play for a guy

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Speaker 12: that has that much confidence in you to say to Cowbridge, yeah, we.

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Speaker 13: Could kick the field goal.

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Speaker 12: And I think the analytics would have told you to

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Speaker 12: kick the field goal, but they don't want to give

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Speaker 12: Justin Herbert back the ball. Right, he wasn't the reason

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Speaker 12: that they lost. This offense was playing exceptional. I love

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Speaker 12: that he decided to go for it on fourth and two.

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Speaker 12: Steve I remember very vividly in the press conference for

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Speaker 12: the press room yesterday during the game, there was a

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Speaker 12: play where the Lions had a fourth and five call.

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Speaker 13: Do you remember it, and that yeah, ran it.

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Speaker 12: And then the Chargers had a third and one and

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Speaker 12: they were throwing it and you made a comment about that.

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Speaker 9: To me, that.

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Speaker 13: Speaks to where these two teams are.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 12: This Lions team is continuing to build like this. They

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Speaker 12: believe in their players, the coaches believe in them. They

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Speaker 12: want to give them that energy. That fourth and two call,

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Speaker 12: they're running the ball on fourth and five.

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Speaker 13: They don't really care what this Chargers team is going

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Speaker 13: to do. They believe in their offense. Whereas the Chargers

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Speaker 13: it's the complete opposite side.

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Speaker 12: It seems like they're kind of trending down and not

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Speaker 12: feeling that confidence.

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Speaker 13: You put up thirty eight points and you still lose

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Speaker 13: a game.

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Speaker 3: You know, I look at this, and I look at

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Speaker 3: what has happened in Detroit, guys, and it kind of

667
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Speaker 3: seems like when you have a lot of success in

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Speaker 3: this league, a lot of times it happens when your

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Speaker 3: entire team takes on the identity of the head coach.

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Speaker 6: And that is exactly what's happening with the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 3: You're seeing it in a different fashion with Tamiko Ryans

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Speaker 3: and the Texans and a team that just doesn't panic

673
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Speaker 3: no matter what the situation is. That's Tamiko Ryan's style

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Speaker 3: to never get too high or too low, just be

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Speaker 3: kind of panic elusive in a sense. You look at

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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlins group and what they've been able to do

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Speaker 3: in terms of evolving into what he is in terms

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Speaker 3: of these ugly wins. This is what's happening with Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 3: I go back to what you just said, Bridget. I

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Speaker 3: think it was against the Vikings this season to go right.

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Speaker 3: They kicked the field goal in that instance, and they

682
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Speaker 3: missed it, and it eate at Dan Campbell at nauseum

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Speaker 3: for a length period time. So I do love the

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Speaker 3: aggressive going forward on fourth down five times, and if

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Speaker 3: you're gonna do it, you might as well keep doing it, Bridget.

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Speaker 3: What I'm curious also about, as you mentioned, don't put

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Speaker 3: Justin Herbert back on the field, because Justin Herbert was phenomenal,

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Speaker 3: and so was Keenan Allen, and so was a couple

689
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Speaker 3: of other guys on this offense. But the defense, the opposite.

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Speaker 3: What are they torched for five hundred and thirty yards?

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Speaker 6: That's not good.

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Speaker 3: What are they secing in the locker room about a

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Speaker 3: defense that has a lot of dollar bills behind it,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of yards are going up as well.

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Speaker 13: Brandon Staley the defensive guru.

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Speaker 12: And now they've had two games this season where they've

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Speaker 12: allowed offenses to put up more than five hundred yards

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Speaker 12: and their own offense has scored more than thirty.

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Speaker 13: Points in two games this season that they've lost.

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Speaker 12: A lot of players were frustrated, absolutely so in the

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Speaker 12: locker room after this one. And I talked to Dry

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Speaker 12: James and he told me it was a lack of energy.

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Speaker 12: He said, the last two games against the Jets and

704
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Speaker 12: the Bears, after those turnovers, they were celebrating after big plays,

705
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Speaker 12: they were celebrating. They created this turnover committee where they

706
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Speaker 12: came up with little dances or whatever to celebrate the

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Speaker 12: exciting moments. But they didn't force a single turnover. They

708
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Speaker 12: didn't get to the quarterback at all. And he said,

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Speaker 12: a lot of guys in this locker room I was

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Speaker 12: there the past week at practice, they were saying to me.

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Speaker 13: Okay, we beat the Jets. We beat the Bears.

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Speaker 12: This is really the defining game for us against the Lions.

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Speaker 12: We want to go out to prove people that we're

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Speaker 12: not just winning against offenses that aren't successful. We can

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Speaker 12: do it against this Lions team. And unfortunately for this team,

716
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Speaker 12: they fell short. Khalil Mack I've talked to him and

717
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Speaker 12: he said the thing that really pissed him off, his words,

718
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Speaker 12: was that they gave up two hundred yards on the ground,

719
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Speaker 12: one hundred and seventy seven rush yards in the first half.

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Speaker 12: Obviously a huge seventy five yard run too, and that's

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Speaker 12: what made him so mad.

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Speaker 13: He's like, we've been good in the run game.

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Speaker 12: So far this season, and all of a sudden, that

724
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Speaker 12: just doesn't exist anymore. I asked him why. He said

725
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Speaker 12: he didn't feel like they played solid. I was like, okay,

726
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Speaker 12: why do you think that. He said, well, we prepared

727
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Speaker 12: for a lot of things and the Lions did the

728
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Speaker 12: complete opposite. So there's a lot of questions and you

729
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Speaker 12: can look to Okay, where is this. It seems like

730
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Speaker 12: the team takes one step forward two steps back. How

731
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Speaker 12: much is that coaching? How much is that players buying in?

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Speaker 12: Why is there a lack of energy. If you're playing

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Speaker 12: against a very good Lions team, why aren't you coming

734
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Speaker 12: out with energy?

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Speaker 13: I don't understand it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be really interesting to see if they're going

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Speaker 2: to make a playoff push. Other teams are making their move.

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Speaker 1: James. We said this earlier about the Raiders.

739
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Speaker 2: They're taking one step forward, but on a treadmill, that

740
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Speaker 2: being the Chargers. Bridge Conon really really good stuff right there.

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Speaker 2: When we come back next on the NFL Report, Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's the Monday First Read segment. We're bringing our Jeff Chadea,

743
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Speaker 2: my little colts, see what's going on there?

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Speaker 1: Back on the NFL Report.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back into the NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve, whitch

746
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Speaker 3: with you.

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Speaker 6: It's a Monday, So what are we gonna do.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna argue with Jeff Chadea about his First Read

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Speaker 3: column on NFL dot Com. It's our favorite segment on

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Speaker 3: every Monday, right right, Steve, We just we just go

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Speaker 3: out out Jeff and we get and this week I'm

752
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Speaker 3: really I'm on his side because he's got a Buck guye.

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Speaker 6: At the top of his MVP list in CJ.

754
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Speaker 3: Stroud Right now, he's got another buck guy at Joe

755
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Speaker 3: Burrow number two on his MVP list.

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Speaker 6: Then he'll argue with me that it.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow on a book.

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Speaker 6: But anyways, I want to talk.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk Jeff about the AFC South, which

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Speaker 3: is after the dismantling of the Jacksonville Jaguars by the

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Speaker 3: forty nine ers and a dramatic win by the Texans

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Speaker 3: and a win overseas by the Colts, wide open.

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Speaker 4: It is. It is.

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Speaker 9: And you sit there and you thought the Jacksonville Jaguars

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Speaker 9: going to run away with this thing as recently as

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Speaker 9: last week, and you sit here, they take a huge

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Speaker 9: loss to San Francisco, and then you're watching the Houston

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Speaker 9: Texans against the Bengals. And I watched that entire game

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Speaker 9: and I thought, okay, well, here's whether the great story

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Speaker 9: is TJ. Stroud ends and all of a sudden they're

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Speaker 9: winning the game. And for me, we'll talk about this later. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: with the MVP race, he established himself as the leader

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Speaker 9: in this race because of the way he played in

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Speaker 9: that game, making huge plays, coming back from a pick six.

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Speaker 9: He found a way to basically overcome a lot of

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Speaker 9: adversity and still deliver. And so when you have that

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Speaker 9: in Houston. You have what's happening with the Colts, who

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Speaker 9: haven't had their starting quarterback for most of this year,

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Speaker 9: and Gardnermans, she was getting it done and they got

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Speaker 9: a good run game. The defense has had its problems,

781
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Speaker 9: but they're starting to make plays when they need to

782
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Speaker 9: make plays. It is wide open. And I thought this

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Speaker 9: was the worst had the second worst division in football

784
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Speaker 9: with the NFC South. But it's becoming a lot more

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Speaker 9: competitive because some of these some of these teams are

786
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Speaker 9: showing how resilient they really are.

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Speaker 1: So Jeff Bigger, surprise Houston or Indianapolis.

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Speaker 9: Oh, it's got to be Houston. It's got to be Houston.

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Speaker 9: You look at where that team has been over the

790
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 9: last three years. They've had four coaches in three years.

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Speaker 9: They've had eleven wins coming into this season, and they're

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Speaker 9: relying on a rooky quarterback without much of a running game,

793
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Speaker 9: without any real star power, and they are sitting here

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Speaker 9: at five and four with an opportunity to really push

795
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Speaker 9: Jacksonville for the division or maybe get a wildcard spot.

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Speaker 9: Nobody would have predicted this. I mean, maybe at best

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Speaker 9: a five to six win team. They're already at that

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Speaker 9: point right now.

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Speaker 3: I want to chime in on the Colts just for

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Speaker 3: a second, because I do agree with Jeff in terms

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00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: of the Texans what they're doing. It's been phenomenal and

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Speaker 3: they'll face the Jaguars in two weeks, which would be

803
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Speaker 3: a great game down in Houston. Anybody who's listening, please

804
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Speaker 3: give me that game is my assignment. But also the

805
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Speaker 3: Indiapolis Colts and what they've been through. I think Shane Steiken,

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Speaker 3: Steve and I have talked about it a lot on

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Speaker 3: the show, what he's been able to do. You mentioned

808
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: losing Anthony richardson your best player doesn't want to be

809
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 3: there at the start of your career as their head coach.

810
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Speaker 3: And Jonathan Taylor, and I'm just kind of curious what

811
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Speaker 3: they do with both of these backs because we saw

812
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Speaker 3: a disappearing act in terms of Zach Moss in this game.

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Speaker 6: It was all Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious moving forward, guys, and what they're gonna do

815
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Speaker 3: with both these backs. Using Jonathan Taylor as a receiver

816
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: more than he ever has in his career has been

817
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Speaker 3: one wrinkle that I've liked from the Indianapolis Colts in

818
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: terms of the way they've gone It's gonna be fun

819
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Speaker 3: to see because they're almost gives somebody a challenge each

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Speaker 3: and every week, which is I think really really good coaching.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, really a good point. It's like the way

822
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 9: this league has gone this year with people focus so

823
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Speaker 9: much on the quarterback play and how bad it's been

824
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Speaker 9: because you've got so many young quarterbacks playing, But really,

825
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 9: this is the league right now. We're coaching means more

826
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Speaker 9: than anything. You know, sometimes in the past you can

827
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Speaker 9: say that and it's okay, you're still relying on Tom Brady,

828
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 9: your Peyton Manning or somebody Patrick Mahone's make a big play.

829
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Speaker 9: Right now, we're seeing.

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Speaker 6: Who can coach.

831
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Speaker 9: We're seeing guys like Kevin O'Connell take a Joshua Dobbs

832
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 9: and make that team, keep that that team winning. We're

833
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 9: seeing what you talked about with Shane steik and we're

834
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Speaker 9: seeing what you're talking about with Demiico Ryan. We're seeing

835
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Speaker 9: Robert Stylid with the Jets. You know, it hasn't been

836
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 9: great lately, but he's the team is still alive in

837
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Speaker 9: some ways here, Mike Tomlin, there's so many guys as

838
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 9: hard as the pick MVP coach of the year, it's

839
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Speaker 9: gonna be a whole lot tougher.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's wild because typically the biggest difference between

841
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Speaker 2: college football and the NFL is college football is more

842
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Speaker 2: about coaching.

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Speaker 1: The NFL is more about players.

844
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Speaker 2: Oh but Jeff, on the issue of coaching, you somehow

845
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Speaker 2: in your column, And here comes the part have the

846
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Speaker 2: Chargers emerging as a wild card team when everyone says

847
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: their coach is gonna be the next one out of

848
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Speaker 2: the door. They just took a bad loss to Detroit

849
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Speaker 2: when their offense could not have played any better. Why

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Speaker 2: do you see the Chargers getting in the AFC playoffs?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 9: Not saying getting in making an interesting? And so I

853
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 9: still think they've got they're making it an interesting. So

854
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 9: the Chargers. Maybe I'm always seduced by them. Maybe I

855
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 9: watched these games like last night, and I'm sitting here thinking, Man,

856
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 9: they just scored thirty eight points and George doesn't Herbert

857
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 9: looks phenomenal. Yeah, the defense things, but they have so many,

858
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 9: so many weapons and so much firepower, and they end

859
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 9: up losing. And when you really look at this team,

860
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 9: they've lost four games this season by three points each

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Speaker 9: of those. If you have lost the game by three

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00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 9: points or less, and so that tells me if they

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00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 9: can find some way to make a play here or

864
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 9: there with all this talent, they can get it going.

865
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Speaker 9: In the second half of their last seven games are

866
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 9: a lot of winnable games in there. Y Titans, they've

867
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Speaker 9: got the Broncos a couple of times, they've got the Raiders.

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Speaker 9: They still amazingly control their own destiny and get to

869
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Speaker 9: a nine even a ten win season.

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Speaker 3: I will agree a little bit, Steve. I want to

871
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Speaker 3: hear your point on the Chargers, because I do think

872
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: when you have a quarterback like Justin Herbert, and that

873
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: just puts you in a different stratosphere in terms of

874
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: what you can do, specifically pulling certain games out even

875
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Speaker 3: when other aspects of your team are falling short.

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00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree with Jeff. I mean, Justin Herbert,

877
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: I was out of that game. It's just ridiculous. Keenan

878
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: Allen Hall of Fame wide receiver. No one can tell

879
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: me otherwise, But this is where I'm saying, I don't

880
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: know if they can just based on their roller coaster persona,

881
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: can string together a three or a four game winning

882
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: streak like we see teams do usually in their situation.

883
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: To make a playoff run like Jacksonville last year.

884
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: But Jeff, I want to get back to you, because

885
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: the team that's actually ahead of them in the standing

886
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: their division, the Raiders. They've won two straight a O'Connell.

887
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: I call those their addition by subtraction tour. But you

888
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: don't have them on your list of potential playoff teams.

889
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: Is sure.

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00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 9: Look, I've seen this story way too many times, and

891
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 9: see it with the Raiders, by the way, two or

892
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 9: three times.

893
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 6: You always get a bright I thought you were getting it.

894
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 3: I've seen this too many with the rate of I coached.

895
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 9: I was I was covering the Rats when Joe Bugle

896
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 9: uh got pushed into the into that chair. I've seen

897
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 9: Art Show do this. I've seen Rich Pisatcha you do

898
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 9: it a couple of years ago and John Green got

899
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 9: pushed out. You always can get a bump with an

900
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 9: interim coach, and Antonio Pearce has done a great job.

901
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 9: But I just don't think they have enough talent in

902
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 9: the room. To me, the Charters are a way more

903
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 9: talented team than the Raiders are. And we especially a quarterback.

904
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 9: And so when you're talking about having to make plays

905
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 9: down the stretch. Yeah, you can get away with that

906
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 9: in the first game without Josh McDaniels. You can get

907
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 9: away with it when you're playing a Jets team that

908
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 9: has no offense to speak of right now, But to

909
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 9: do it week in and week out, man, it's gonna

910
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 9: be tough. I mean, eventually you come back to who

911
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 9: you are and offensively they're a pretty limited team.

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00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 3: This is where I agree with Jeff, and I'm gonna

913
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: agree with Jeff moving forward as we talk about the

914
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: MVP listing you have now after this past week, we

915
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: have seen your motives are quite interior or JP Joe

916
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: Burrow No, I actually really love number three because Dak

917
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: Prescott last week on this show. Jeff was my guy

918
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: that was not part of the conversation in the first

919
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: half of the season, and my prediction is he will

920
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: be part of the conversation at the end of the year.

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00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: Run us through your top three. Why are they in

922
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: the spots that they're in?

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00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: Well, CJ.

924
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 9: Stroud clearly is there because of what he's done over

925
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 9: the last couple of weeks.

926
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 6: I mean he's been lights out.

927
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 9: He's delivered in key games and it's hard to imagine

928
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 9: I know people say, oh, they're not winning their division,

929
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 9: they're not as good as Philadelphia or Kansas City or Baltimore.

930
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 9: Where would they be without c. J. Stroud, right, they

931
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 9: would not be talked about as a postseason contender. They

932
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 9: don't have anybody else on that team who is doing

933
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 9: what he's doing. So, for me, that's what an MVP does.

934
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 9: And numbers wise, I like that. You look at all

935
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 9: the other quarterbacks out there, whether it's Patrick Mahomes or

936
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 9: Josh Allen or whoever else you want to name, his

937
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 9: numbers are better than all of them. And so if

938
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 9: it's a quarterback award and you're playing the best at quarterback,

939
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 9: you should be in the conversation. And then obviously Joe

940
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 9: Burrow is there because of what he's done with Cincinnati

941
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 9: and the way he's been playing over the last few weeks.

942
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 9: And then Dak Prescott, the most beat up on quarterback

943
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 9: in this league, has been playing lights out for the

944
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 9: past month and nobody wants to give him credit for it.

945
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 9: I'm giving him credit for it Nowviously he's playing at

946
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 9: a level he's never played at and that team is

947
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 9: is playing well because of him.

948
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 6: Offensively, Yeah, Dak.

949
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: Does some great things.

950
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: And by the way, Joe Burrow went to school at

951
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: Ohio State but played football at LSU.

952
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: So Jeff that.

953
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: He that was that was the most beautiful statement I've

954
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: heard in quite some time. Well, a guy I mentioned,

955
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 2: you know who's not on your MVP list is Jared Goff.

956
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been sick with it, and he was

957
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: sick with it yesterday with what he did, especially to

958
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: Aman Ross Saint Brown. What do you see about Jared Goff,

959
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: especially because the Lions are in the situation where they

960
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: are leading their division, it could be a major threat

961
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: to come out of the point.

962
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's definitely in that second tier of candidates, And

963
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 9: for my money, Jaalen Hirsch is there as well. If

964
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 9: you want non quarterbacks, you've got a j Brown, You've

965
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 9: got Miles Garrett, you got Tyreek Hill, and I imagine

966
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 9: at the end of the season, Jared Goff will be

967
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 9: in that conversation. It's just really hard to look at

968
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 9: guys like Lamar Jackson or toul who also played well

969
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 9: and moved them out of the top five. But Jered

970
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 9: Goff deserves to be in there. He probably gets hurt

971
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 9: more so because he's not as spectacular. That team is

972
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 9: really built as a team. He doesn't stand out in

973
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 9: the same way as these other guys do, although he's

974
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 9: making the plays for this team, so I agree with you.

975
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 9: He's playing at a high level. Will probably be in

976
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 9: the conversation. But those other guys I mentioned just have

977
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 9: had their moments. Jared Goff hasn't had his moment yet. Listen.

978
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 6: I've been very selfish this entire segment, Jeff.

979
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: But that was Steve being super selfish because that was

980
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 3: his pick for the quarter for the should be talked

981
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: at the end of the season.

982
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 6: He just want listen. Steve just wanted to just to

983
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 6: agree with him, Jeff. He wanted you to pump up.

984
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a validation, Valida. I love it.

985
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 6: Well, here's Jeff. Appreciate it.

986
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 3: We'll see you again on Monday as we break down

987
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: Jeff's first read column, as we do each and every

988
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 3: week on the show. Somebody's becoming my favorite segment I

989
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 3: think we do on this entire show. Coming up, as

990
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: we close things that, we'll talk another quarterback.

991
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 6: Kyler Murray return to the field.

992
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: Is Kyler having the ability to maybe determine his own

993
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: future in Arizona.

994
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 6: Oh, we'll talk about that next on the NFL Report.

995
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 9: Hey, everybody, this is Alex Heismith and the Pittsburgh Steelers,

996
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 9: and this is the NFL Report.

997
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: Alex heythans from those Pittsburgh Steelers who once again we're

998
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: out gained and got a dub. Jame's gonna get back

999
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: that here in our final segment. But you know what,

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00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm an old newspaper and you always show to right

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00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: for headlines.

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00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: Above the fold.

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00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna talk about some headlines that are below

1004
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 2: the fold that need our attention. In one of them

1005
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: was Kyler Murray's return to the Arizona Cardinals as he

1006
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: leads them on a game winning drive they come back

1007
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: and win twenty five twenty three over the Atlanta Falcons.

1008
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray nineteen to thirty two for two forty nine.

1009
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 2: But what he did in the back part of that game, scrambling,

1010
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: making runs. He didn't have to throw the ball that

1011
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: much in the second half, but he showed the Arizona

1012
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: Cardinals some of what he has. You're looking at the

1013
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: RPO run right here as to why he is such

1014
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: a threat and the poise James at the end of

1015
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: this game showed why he's been a winner for the

1016
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: majority of the time he's been a starter. He could

1017
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: complicate some decisions if he keeps on playing like this

1018
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: for Arizona as to who their quarterback of the future

1019
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: should be, because it could very well be him.

1020
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 3: That's the fascinating aspect about this, Steve. That's the part

1021
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: that I love about this And on this run that

1022
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: you're seeing right now, thirteen yards scramble, I think he

1023
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 3: ran much further than thirteen yards to get to get there.

1024
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 3: But that was exactly what we missed about watching Kyler

1025
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: Murray play in the NFL on Sundays because there's often

1026
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 3: times when he's out there, you're going to see something

1027
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 3: you may never have seen before.

1028
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 6: But he has the ability.

1029
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: If he continues to play well and gets wins for

1030
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: this Arizona Cardinals offense and this Arizona Cardinals team, he

1031
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 3: has the ability to push them down in the draft

1032
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 3: with wins, and then maybe the decision on drafting his

1033
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: replacement at the top of the draft could be more complicated.

1034
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 6: Who knows. That's the interesting part of Kyler Murray.

1035
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 3: I thought it was fascinating real quick, Steve, what do

1036
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: you think about the Steelers. We heard Alex Highsmith right

1037
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: there is this one of the least talked about aspects

1038
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: as they find ways to continue to win now at

1039
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: their six and three.

1040
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Speaker 14: I think that's the most talked about aspect is the

1041
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 14: fact that they keep getting out gained every game played,

1042
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 14: playing at a negative point differential, and still winning football games.

1043
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: All right, Jay Pete, we'll be back on Thursday at

1044
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: the NFL Report.

1045
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Balding, We're gonna have a whole lot more.

1046
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,360
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1047
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:14,919
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